Sensitivity Over Aryan Migration Due To 2 Misconceptions, Says 'Early Indians' Author | The Quint
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- Опубліковано 12 кві 2019
- Is there such a thing as ‘pure’ race? Senior journalist Tony Joseph recently published his book Early Indians: The Story of Our Ancestors and Where We Came From - an ambitious project that looks at path-breaking DNA research and archaeological and linguistic evidence to answer some uncomfortable and highly contested questions: Who are our ancestors and where do they come from? Did the ‘Aryans’ really migrate to India? Who were the Harappans? When did India get the caste system?
In this interview, Joseph tries to answer these questions.
I am from Manipur. I have check my DNA 75% East Asian 25% South Asian mostly Thai. But proud Indian.
That's what's most important brother! all this genetics bs shouldn't divide us. We have to work together and achieve economic superstardom! :D
@@SlahsVurdonski,
Likewise religion should also not divide us, which you "mainland Indian" forget to mention.
@@jibokomiuli I agree with that too
Nation is just an imagination!
Thais are not South Asians,Thais are South East Asians....Tais of Assam and Arunachal Pradesh,i.e. ,ahoms,khamptis,phake,khamyang,turung,aiton share same blood with Thais, Shans,Dais
Nobody is a bigger expert than some random guy in the comment section
Makes sense lol
True, random guy.
Lol
Lol no doubt
@Sidharth : better than an appeal to authority. I like the discussion, not the follow the “leader” mentality.
In 3022 ad these type of people will say that sikh people originated in Canada and migrated as far as India.
Lol
Clearly says you don't have any understanding of how linguistics and genetics work...
Wasn’t the original cast system based on the work people did and capable of doing rather than based on birth which is what it is now?
yes, this fixing of birth caste was first written in Manu Smriti if I know correctly.
@Incompetent Tyrant I'll disagree.
@Incompetent Tyrant don't speak without knowing it boy.
@Incompetent Tyrant frick off dude, you have no idea.
Caste !! no one has any proper idea as to why from generation to generation. But if your overall look at different castes there are few common things. (those traditions of praying God in a certain manner, having trust and belief, doing work and treating work as a God, passing on skills from father to children or with in the same caste, supporting the same caste( which might have come later - but Humanity comes first) etc. So these are basic traditions formed based on local conditions of those times. Nowadays how many people know tradition or have developed skills? None, so it seems to be nonsense. But look otherwise, traditions not only taught a few things it is a restriction for oneself from doing wrong. It is an auto check system if the only one has the belief. And based on a few outdated things it is wrong to say that the whole caste system is only birth (that is how the system works - to keep everyone balanced) with such a complicated system of restriction India has 1.8 Billion. Imagine like wester culture marrying and having kids randomly might lead to 18 billion. Also cross breed marriages are a special topic again but I guess it is even difficult to read until this part.
This obsession with pure blood race gives me some harry potter vibes.
Tats hilarious😅😅😅
@@dimlathangamani7595 It was hilarious when all this was limited to Wizarding world.
Same
The concept of pure bloods in Harry Potter is based on Nazi Germany
@@Arun-MM was going to say ''or Hitler''
😭😭Most of the Indians can't digest that they don't wanna go that deep in history💔😹
Kargi grant especially Aryans
Bhai biology na padi ho to koi nhi bta skta kahan se aye ho
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How funny. The western civilizations believe the mankind has been created 7000 years ago and Indian history dates back to at least 12000 years and still you say we don't go deep in history. Please grow up.
Balmain Chanel they are Brahmins of north India that came from the Asian steppe
Arya is a sanskrit word which means one who is forward looking. It was used as a title for persons in high social position.
Arya means a noble person not forward looking. This word was use many times even in artha shastra where it mentioned arya shudras even
Also Arya means big traitor who created all other castes to surve for his selfishness 😂😂
Ha nice joke@@vijaydasar1
@@vijaydasar1 haha a typical Neo Buddhist telling about Aryan .Kid You were also Aryans .Do DNA test 🤣🤣
@@AyushBose-gk2xg cow dung eater mind wisdom so appreciable. By blindly judging abt me seeing My dp 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I show 🖕🏼🖕🏼🖕🏼🖕🏼🖕🏼to u🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I don't need to check my DNA coz I am Dravidian and native one of this subcontinent. It is you to check you DNA 🧬 not me. Coz my lineage was scripted in chalukya and Vijaynagar empire it's available in Hampi University 😂😂😂😂😂
"The Veda was the most precious gift for which the West had ever been indebted to the East"
- Voltaire
@being human ignorant people like you will not tolerate to hear anything about dessert cult but want hindus to to tolerate any shit you people say about them
It cell....
@@social-2014 lmfao google it you ignorant lazy ass
This Tony Joseph guy is referring to study done by Niraj Rai and David Reich but conclusion they are making is different to what he's are preaching... They are saying Aryan migration concept is not true
And he is twisting this to fit his narrative
@Prat667 . it's a Racist concept. Veda was originated in India. It's clear now. But these people are insecure to accept tht east had superior culture to west
This seems to be correct from all other theories that Indian is a mixed race , it's the biggest slap on who called themselves as pure Aryans or pure Dravidians....
Nobody uses the word pure Aryan and pur Dravidian unless they are a North Indian "intellectual". Nobody in South uses pure Dravidian or even Dravidian unless they are somehow related to Rahul Dravid.
@@deepakpanicker Haha that was a good one!!!😂
@@deepakpanicker good one..hahahahhahaha
@@deepakpanicker yeah never heard anyone say that they are Dravidian, it's more like kannadiga, tamilian or mallu.
@@deepakpanicker Read comments. Ppl named Joseph Stalin are typing that they are Dravidian.
I don't care where my ancestors came from. I'm happy to be a part of India.
But if you look at population density in this part of world, its larger than any other nation or continent. Which makes me think that may be because this land is well suited for survival of humans and reproduction , humans got settled here and the population grew exponentially then slowly some groups of people started migrating to other lands due to disputes between them, and in that way people kept spreading to all over world. Western historians say that Aryans came from Europe but look at facts, and you see population density is much much dense in INDIA and CHINA than any other place in world which clearly indicates that people in this part of world have been settled for long long time before in any other part of world and then small groups started migrating to other parts and that's how population spread across world.over thousands of years people got adopted to those locations and climatic conditions and their color, and physical appearance too changed. As other people saying in comment section, Indians are not mixed races, but either Aryan or Dravidian, ya I agree mix-up happened in recent times but till last fee 100's of years it was either Aryan or Dravidian. Aryans use to use Sanskrit for all their scriptures and Dravidian use to use Tamil for their scriptures. Now this is the reason you see most of the European languages got Sanskrit worlds in them and most of Asian (example :south Korean) or African languages got Dravidian words in them. Sanskrit is an ancient language and even Dravidian is ancient and both got deep rooted connection with sanathana dharma.
@@shanthsp2002 In India we don't only have two language families. We have minority austro-asiatic family of languages too.
This family is completely different from Dravidian language family (some nationalist call it tamil language family).
Sanskrit was made lingua franca (comman tongue) of ancient India by majority of intellectuals. Although buddhist and Jain people kept using their traditional languages (which were sister languages of standard sanskrit).
Most intellectuals used to learn sanskrit as in modern day they learn ENGLISH.
Sanskrit had the status of what english has today.
There were some lost language families too. Like harappan language and script. It doesn't matches with any other languages family in India or in the world.
Most probably it is lost language family.
It's not only aryan and dravidians.
There were many other people too which we have no record of.
@@shanthsp2002 you can't say mixing of races happened 500 years from today.
Varna Vyavastha system was a social reform of ancient times , it encouraged intermixing of races.
Mark Smith Fact is all this migration theories are fake, there was no inward migration until Islamic invasion. There was only proof of outward migrations. Our ithihasas, puranas were our true histories and has provided us with proofs of astronomical, geological events and along with those we have archeological proofs to prove that those Aryan invasion and other theories were fake. They are still trying to prove their superiority over Indians which is funny.
@@gaurvats538 Sanskrit is never be a common people language at the time prakrit is common language , mainly because Brahmins don't allow other communities to learn Sanskrit , even Brahmins women's are not allowed to learn sanskrit
Whenever guy comes out with some theory of past i got really afraid of there political agendas.
Trueee💯
lol same
These are Nazi Putras, after all Hitler started this Aryan theory business! Look at the irony, leftists using nazi theories lol
The aryan theories given by Britishers......... To koi sawal hi nhi uth ta uske real hone ka🤣😂🤣😂....sb jhut he.... We are Indian... And we are indigenous people....... Like Chinese
😂😂😂 difficult to digest..this theory just says..India belongs to everyone ...but the other definitely tries to take advantage of polarization..this doesn't
What about sinauli related to Vedic period where weapon, chariots of the time parallel to Harappa
Late harrappan age my frnd
Well , i see this contradiction neutrally
He won't talk about that because in the garb of a scholar, he is actually a propagandist. Talking about Sinauli's findings won't suit his agenda.
@@lj8554 here comes the fake account to establish his importance like his aryan ancestors
@@lj8554 ITS JUST A THEORY. NOBODY WAS ACTUALLY PRESENT AT THAT TIME SO ITS BETTER TO TRUST ON GENETICS REPORT BECAUSE SCIENCE DON'T LIE
@@swa15490 I just commented over the content of the video I had seen. If you have anything relevant to share, then do it. There's no point in worrying about anybody's identity here.
I ordered a pizza after seeing this video.
Some conservatives stopped eating pizza after watching this.
@@mahshooq.mohamed 😂😂😅
Underrated comment
@Tony Stark Anyone can be a conservative by nature, the thing is how you deal with that. Take it easy man
@ruben champollion pizza hut
Q :where do Indians come from ?
Ans :Mother's womb !
Do others take birth from father?
@@mohammedrafi6663 🤦🏽♂️
Exactly
@@mohammedrafi6663 idiot he said it for national purpose and the video is for history of Indian subcontinent not for Europe or China
@@mohammedrafi6663 lol savage
For them Mahabharata and ramayana is a mythology....
And for us aryan invasion theory is mythology........ Hisab barabar😂🤣😂🤣😂
watch study glows mahabharata and ramayana was not myth
@@vishaljaba818 bhai vo vahi bol raha hai ,thay ramayana and mahabharat are not mythological stories
AIT show aryan people come to india at the time of1500 bc and they formed rigvedas and chariots. But oldest chariets was found only india at sinoli and saraswarhi river was dried up at 2000 bc and is mention in new vedic texts. This shows that aryan invation theory is false. This was put forward by communis, europians like british because they have idendity. Europen is an idea not a idendity. There is a story, war of ten kings where he expels tribe outside india after a victory in vedas.
Aryans didn't invade India , they were nomads from central or west Asia who interbred with locals and created info European languages like sanskrit.
@@Sathish_12 aryans came at 1500bc according to theory. Saraswathi river dried up in 2000 bc. New rigved show the prime version of saraswathi. According to the theory they came by chariot but the oldest chariots are only found in india. Historians will lie but geological and archeological proof dont lie. Theory more relavent is aryans from india migrated to outwards. Horses found in india are 34 ribs not that of central asia with 36 ribs.
My dear fellow, just because you don't like someone or disagree with what they have to say l, doesn't mean you can start calling them bizarre names.
Second, if you have a problem with what he said, prove him wrong on his data and his analysis. Calling him names makes you look uneducated.
Thirdly, there's a spell check on your phone or computer. Learn to use it.
Bakwaas. Aryans didn't invade India but they were migrants from Russian Steppes. The first people of India were from Africa, and Iran (Zagros) who brought horses to the subcontinent.
I am from Mongolian race but I'm an Indian 🇮🇳
Its called Mongoloid not mongolian. Mongolian means descendants of Mongols/Mughals ( or more famously Genghis Khan )
@@jonahkamalakar9569 that is what I mean Mongolian I hope you've heard of northeast Indian race
Love from Kerala. ♥️
To all our North Eastern brothers and sisters.
🇮🇳
There is no such thing as Mongolian race.
Nice for you that you can make the distinction between human racial type and citizenship or nationality ..But the problem is most politicians , especially here in the south use the term' Arya' in a racial sense . There is no Human racial type known as ' Aryan ' . There are three Human Racial types and these are The Caucasoid , The Negroid and the Mongoloid racial types . The people of North and South India are from the Caucasoid racial type and from Eastern India are Mongoloid ...But every one Indian .
Looking at the comment section makes me sad that history is so political
@JP Abraham There is no genetic basis of aryan dravidian caste divide. The so called aryan r1a1 is found in the highest concentration in Toda tribes in Nilligri hills who are purely Dravidian in language in culture and next highest in Manipuri people who are sino-tibetian, both having more than that in punjabis. I wonder why tony forgot to talk about these things XD perhaps some political agenda ?
JP Abraham
Imagine thinking Tamils are older than adivasi tribals(who are first inhabitant). Lmfaooooo or the people of Andaman Islands
Idiots act like its gonna change something. Dont even understand it doesnt even matter in life, just matters for votes and distraction from any real problem.
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They specifically use Aryan Invasion Theory for caste politics and north south politics
I'm interested in knowing about these things but at the end of the day I just want to sleep peacefully in my bed....
He literally forgot to mention the Tai-Ahoms and the Mongoloids who were present in Northeastern India for literally 2000-2500 years..
he did not.. read his book.. all is not free
He didn't forget to mention that. I asked him a selected few questions and focussed on some contentious topic. Since it's a long interview, I could not ask him about the North East. Maybe another video on it. Thanks
I think that's because the hot button debate about origins is always about Aryan v/s Dravidian. Nobody claims that the Tibeto-Burmese Indians " sprang from soil".😁
Deepak D'Souza they are not INDIANS
@@monusonu7864 "not Indians" in what sense? Race? Language? Culture? Citizenship? Self-declared identity?
Everyone come from Africa. End of discussion
Then why was that discrimination and ill-treatment throughout the ages? Born from the Head.... to the Feet..... etc?!
When the DNA studies blows on the face.... new found wisdom blossoms?!! 😂🤣
Ricky R it’s for political reasons
So What about tribal people... they r the real Indian
@@shrutiiyer9531 - - //Ricky R it’s for political reasons//
Oh... is it?
I didn't know that Brahma was a leader of a political party! I thought he was one of the Gods!! How stupid I've been?!! 🤔 All this time I was thinking it was religious!
//////Brahmins are born from Brahma's head, Kshatriyas from this god's arms, vysyas from this creator's thighs and shudras from his feet//////
Your second name !
Very enlightening and truthful video. Humans never stayed at one place. We all migrated from one to another place for thousands of years. Looking forward to read the book. ❤
Russia and Europe did not exist during the Ice Age... and Central Asia was part of Eurasia India and Persia. Most of the languages come from Vedic Sanskrit and Avesta...
So this is proof that there is no Aryan migration in history....only India and Persia's culture, languages, people, gods and civilizations are found all over the world.
WHAT ABOUT YOUR GENTICS SIR. INDIANS GENETICS ARE 86% SIMILAR TO CENTRAL ASIANS
@@ashutoshpathak674In last 2000yrs Greek,Turks,Mongols, Iranian,Huns,etc come to India.
@@destroyer-je4vg where did sanskrit come from?
Tamil Civilization history in Adhichanallur and keeladi /Manalur will rewrite history of Indian origin.
Keeladi civilization 2200 year ago when mayura empire on peak Afghanistan to Myanmar
Yeah no, it will only rewrite the regions history of civilizations, but it won't change genetics and migrations
south Indiana population is a mixture of indus valley population + south Asian hunter gatherers
Dunno, Aryans still won :P
Just because I don't like HIV (Hindu Nationalists), doesn't mean I prefer AIDS (Tamil Nationalists)
What we should accept that Tamil and Sanskrit might be one of the oldest languages of the nation and make an effort in learning both so that they are not lost in time.
Tamil will not be lost as we students don't leave our language as such and find a way to modify it with increasing sciences.
@@gowthaman2539 yet its spoken in a different manner than earlier times
@@thepaperninja3123 yeah languages do change with time. 🙂
@@gowthaman2539 nama ipo pesradhe vera mozhi madri irku compare pana😂
@@thepaperninja3123 mozhi maaranaalum athoda base maaradhu. Naamba Latin, sanskrit maathiri azhiyama paathukutome athuve periya vishayam
Only agenda 👎😠
This guy is telling racist european view of india
How
NO proof whatsoever of this bs earlier it was invasion now its migration tommorow it will be aryn picnic theoru
I came from hospital lol 😂
Haha
I like your comment cyber punk.
With all due respect I think the author is not thorough. Caste system already existed in India in Buddha's era which was around 500 BCE and Mr.Joseph says it came around 100 CE. Doesn't make any sense.
Caste system existed not only in India but in Achaemedian empire Iran , Hellenic Greeks and many others ....even in Tamil Naidu
Read the history of casteism online.. It is said that in early times inter mixing of castes was common..
Whole vedio is full of lie
You talk in terms of extreme 0's and 1s - either caste system existed or not. That's not how these things develop. They develop over the time - slowly... the practice is less in the beginning and in fewer people, then slowly over centuries the practice becomes prominent. So the author probably meant that the caste system took firm root in about 100 CE. Prior to that , the practice may have existed but it probably was not there among all people of India, or was there among only a few groups (like the royalty) or was more flexible in general.
@@laislabonia You totally lost credibility in my eyes with your ugly racism against South Indians. Go to hell!
Indian went to Europe
Not indians came from Europe
Foreign funded media exposed 😂
The HINDUVTA narrative. Very ignorant ideology that undermines and ignores the history of everyone else in India. There is no evidence that supports this claim. There is no proof that prehistoric Indians went to Europe except for the Romani people who left India during the Islamic Rule and are now known as “gypsies” across Europe.
For evidence, go watch Pathfinder's latest video on indus valley civilization ( it was uploaded today)
@@ajayk1742 you believe in foreign written history but I believe in our ancient Indian history they are different
@@human8454 there is no part Indian history suggests a migration from India to Europe happened. Stop fabricating stuff for your own agenda
Whatever the matter is main thing is that we are Indians and it our duty to protect and value our identity
We are practically result of many races who came together. We are mixed race and I kinda find it cool as our ancestors came from various parts of the world.
But if you look at population density in this part of world, its larger than any other nation or continent. Which makes me think that may be because this land is well suited for survival of humans and reproduction , humans got settled here and the population grew exponentially then slowly some groups of people started migrating to other lands due to disputes between them, and in that way people kept spreading to all over world. Western historians say that Aryans came from Europe but look at facts, and you see population density is much much dense in INDIA and CHINA than any other place in world which clearly indicates that people in this part of world have been settled for long long time before in any other part of world and then small groups started migrating to other parts and that's how population spread across world.over thousands of years people got adopted to those locations and climatic conditions and their color, and physical appearance too changed. As other people saying in comment section, Indians are not mixed races, but either Aryan or Dravidian, ya I agree mix-up happened in recent times but till last fee 100's of years it was either Aryan or Dravidian. Aryans use to use Sanskrit for all their scriptures and Dravidian use to use Tamil for their scriptures. Now this is the reason you see most of the European languages got Sanskrit worlds in them and most of Asian (example :south Korean) or African languages got Dravidian words in them. Sanskrit is an ancient language and even Dravidian is ancient and both got deep rooted connection with sanathana dharma.
That's why Xenophobia needs to eradicate
We are the most racially blended people with Austric,Dravidian ( Austrico-Negroid),Mongolians and Caucasian blood. Present day Bengal, NE Bihar, Bangladesh, Odissa etc has the biggest blending these 4 races- Therefore we can see that the Bengalee are physically diverse - oriental looking, dark skinned, and lighter complexioned amongst mostly the higher caste people. Today's DNA test will show that all Indian have Austric dna as they were the original people along with the Dravidians and Mongolians in the East.
Lol
Only 17% Indian males have eurasian steppes genes in them
The rest have a mixture of previous migrations
Akshara Pandey people are so quick to jump to conclusions, first of all Aryan invasion theory itself is proven false, please search for lecture by RAJ VEDAM, India had no inward migration till last 1400 years, there were only outward migrations.
I wish we receive a file containing the pure objective unbiased history of the entire human species from some alien intellectuals (who had been observing us for millennia) that would expose our complete brutal truth and rattle, shake, and destroy the narratives built upon deceit and propaganda.
Another ancient aliens fan🤘🏽
@Tamojit Ghosal Could be Ram Krishna these had blue skins its obviously mythology but there can be some truth behind it
INDIAN COME FROM EGYPT AFRICA. FROM EASTERN& NORTHERN AFRICA. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE MELANATE & BEAUTIFUL
Don't worry, we live in a simulation. They already know and they are watching us.
So true. I've always wanted to know this. A hard disk containing how earth formed. How true evolution is. How Dinosaurs actually looked. Whether everyone actually came from Africa (which I don't believe) etc
Indus people are our ancestors
Nice propaganda
Near my village, thousands of Tamil palm and copper scripts left unreaded, like some garbage, sadly people don't know its value,
might have some valuable information about historic lifestyle of India
Then email some historian or curator. They love this stuff.
please preserve it
Contact Archeological Survey of India.
Dear bharath, kindly write to tamil chinemaa peravai tcpu2007@gmail.com
which village?
Before the results :
Aryans Aryans Aryans , Aryans are great , aryan is this Aryan is that...
After the results:
Guys we are humans first , there is no dravidian aryans first , we r Indian .
We proved that we Dravidians had a civilization in the past.we have a strong relationships with Harappan civilization.we used coin's to Trade and even to buy handmade jewelries between peoples. Even you can find Tamizhi now Tamil .Even you can spot that the pots that manufactured by the humans by rotating the wooden wheel Mentioned the Tamizhi letters (Tamil ) in the site of Harappan civilization . The first humans who used language to share their thoughts to others and We have largest letters by count .most importantly Tamil is the oldest language in the world. Many archaeologists believed that the migration could possible before the African migration takes place . So, please don't underestimate
So,we Indians should proud of our evolution
SKY there is enough evidence to suggest that the indic people migrated out of indian subcontinent rather than others migrating in.
SKY buddhism became a way of life only about 500BCE. Indus Valley civilisation is at least 8-10 thousand years old.
@SKY U r correct in sayingDravidian is a just group of languages....But There was Dravidian race / Dravidian people who were/are speakers of Dravidian languages....
The present India as we know contains both Aryans and Dravidians and many more
Check Wikipedia gor more information
This is so true. I know a friend who said the exact same thing that how she is such a great Aryan
That's wrong because you cannot build such a big ivc without slavery hence discrimination started with ivc
Mere speculation
Side effects of British imperialism of India 🤣😂😂there is no Aryan theory read ambedkar book they say this is propoganda of birtish leading at present india follow birtish leaning rather than what own leaders say that this theory 🤦
are you dumb? try reading scientific journals and papers
@@rational8720 I am not read birtish propoganda book and l believe that my culture and read babasehab ambedkar then tell me
@@rohitpise6929 yeah i know you don't read any books, let alone scientific papers and journals. all your knowledge comes from propagandist politicians.
@@rational8720 yeah I know you don't read any india culture book and ambedkar book all knowledge come form British leaders propoganda and second u say that ambedkar is doing propoganda political wow then india constitution is also political propaganda and u people physically freedom but mentally is not free because u people is more interested on British imperialism and they propoganda rather than what our own culture say that because after 75 year india physical have a freedom but mentally follow birtish rule and what they say is 100 percent right rather than what our leaders and scientists say that this theory because I am not follower of British it is not means I am follower of political propaganda I believe in babasehab ambedkar and swami vivekananda and Subhash Chandra Bose those people say that the Aryan migration theory is biggest propoganda of British leaders because this time india leaders say to people they are foreign not a india then birtish people invented this theory and say u people also foreign I must say that u read ambedkar Book they clear explained how this theory come 🤦ok
@@rohitpise6929 man you typed a long ass paragraph. I'm not reading that shit. Summarise or I'm out
Basically Sanskrit language are similar to old slavic
This dude is giving one hypothesis. He is not necessarily right, so The Quint should do a video on the other hypothesis to be unbiased.... oh wait, The Quint doesn't know what unbiased means.
This video needs update to include Tamilian civilization discovered recently.
Oh about the recent excavation right
Yes
Isn't that what is perceived as the Dravidian civilisation
Video is 1 year old man
@Velu Ragavendra Sir what's your thought on this video? I wanna learn more about our tamizh civilization. I tried reading about Keezhadi but I don't know how or where to start. Can you suggest something? Shall I buy this author's(from the video) book?
Now i know where the original ''tukde tukde'' gang came from :)
From the UK,a proud Celt…I have to say India was easily the single most fascinating country I ever visited;and I have been fortunate to visit many countries in Asia and elsewhere. India has a diverse,distinct and rich culture…everyone should attempt to go there once in their lifetime,it’s simply amazing!!!
I believe one should always listen and read from different perspective as No one in today's ear has seen what actually happened. It's all depends from where their knowledge come from. Thanks for sharing your concepts.
Actually the genetic research that he is quoting from has been discredited way long ago. If u really wanna know, please listen to David Frawley and Koenrad Elst.
Why dont u check ur dna and share.
@@ajithbharathvaajlr8364 David Frawleys entire thesis is based on incorrect understand, already prominent historians and research scholars have pointed that out.
@@ajithbharathvaajlr8364 lol both are hindutva propenents and they dont deal with genes at all.
They are both nutters.
@Shivam lol whats your source?
Indians came from India
MINDBLOWING REVELATION !!!
INDIAN MODEL yep! They are deserved to be bullshit
How could that be if they migrated from somewhere else. Remember people migrated into India and they began to mix.
There was no India before British came here.
Indians .... How they come from?. First we have to understand the word of India. Sindh.... HInd.... Sindhi... Hindi.... sindhu....hindu.... Sindhuism.... Hinduism.... now.... sindh... HInd.... ind... Indus... India.....
Now...... indian civilization is what.... it is sindhu... Sindhian civilization of harappan and moen jo daro civilization of Sindhi(sindhus or nowadays called Indus valley civilization)
Very enlightening. Thank you!
In the end we all are from pengea✌️
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The quint is Anti -Hindu and Anti-vedic channel who supports liberals.
@@aziyanuttran580 supporting liberals is not a problem but suppourting leftist is the problem
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What you want to prove?😑😑
Chindi chitranna guru illigu Banda ?
A very good and well explained video. It was a mix of cultures, and not an invasion as the earlier teachings in Europe said. We learn all the time, debating is good, we can share ideas, and develop those ideas further. Those who stick to 1 answer as the "ultimate truth" are the sad losers.
I have the answer = we all came from mother's womb !
Baseless theory
its true
I'm foreigner who try to study Indian History, Well done.
Best of luck to you sir. And which country you are from?
Then try to learn real history😂
You will find Aabhas Maldhiyar, True Indology etc
@@shudhsangeet1657 I can't find his profile online
@@peterwong5993 Bro, search Follow the twitter handles from the link i sent
@@shudhsangeet1657 Aabhas K Maldahiyar right? So far I'm not interested in India politics. I want to start with India Anthropology.
Yes, caste System has divided India very well. It's a curse and it has strengthened its roots over time.
Fuck off! It was blessing, it was the only Utopian society that ever existed, people had different way of living than. Caste system was extremely sophisticated, it was a way to classification of works into different group to attain what was essentials for living a good spiritual Life.
@Science Boy Absolutely, But in case of caste system, there's a Sub Caste system within the caste which prevents one to marry to in its own sub Caste.
@@adityatiwari2957 why should a person's potential be judged according to the caste he takes birth in rather than his abilities.
@@adityatiwari2957 Ohh you really think it was the way to classify work. But Vedas defined castes as Brahmins (priests), Kshatriyas (warriors), Vaishyas (skilled traders, merchants), and Shudras (unskilled workers). Is that cool? Really? Unskilled and skilled? A boy or girl took birth in Shudras is called unskilled and as that in Vaishyas is skilled without even knowing their capabilities. This is bullshit.
@@MS-jp3kd Yeah. That's the point. No Equality given none taken.
Thank you for this presentation on Indian history and the origin of caste system.
He is factually correct.
He's absolutely wrong.
He uses the metaphor of a pizza but forgot to mention who ate the pizza ...and that is the BRITISH EMPIRE....
Totally
I think it's Italian
He loves Sonia and Vatican and Christianity :)
British and the Brahmins... Till now too.... 3% controlling ...97%...
Being Human First Brahmins were not controlling the population. They were the custodians of Indian spirituality, lived in austerity and poverty , but,through the oral tradition of mugging the Vedic scriptures word for word, preserved the scriptures ,which were the inspiration for many scientists such as Einstein & others.The Brahmins also advised Kings on morality & helped society keep cruel rulers at bay.
I am Hindu of Centre-Right convictions. Expected to see some extreme left wing propaganda. But I found some very reasonable points made:
1.We ARE a mixed people (exact mix is unknown and probably not that important)
2. The caste system was a socio-political construct, which later found some scriptural backing through retroactive interpretation.
What makes "Aryan migration" contentious and potentially dangerous has nothing to do with any delusion of racial purity, but
a) The suggestion that all of our civilizational output was imported wholesale, as opposed to being indigenously developed. I'm glad Mr. Joseph steers clear of such claims.
b) The misguided conclusion that *some* people draw: That some present-day Indians are pure descendants of the invading Aryas and others are pure descendants of the oppressed natives, which also the speaker refutes.
Probable point of divergence (What makes me more Right): Despite not based on a single language or narrowly defined faith and far from being perfect (whatever that means), our civilization is uniquely identifiable, and is a vital source of identity and pride to many of us. This makes us a Civilization-state (as opposed to a nation state).
A very mature post- a I wish I had posted but lack in terms of clarity of mind or language. Thanks for posting.
@Bidu Bidu what is 'the' truth then?
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so true , people are still cant digest truth.
abey quint wale agenda leke misinformation post karte hai. matlab bilkul pureeee misinformation. i hope people realise how wrong this is and research on their own without using these quint, scroll or the wire as sources!
This is a sensitive topic for many Indians as well since many have their identity attached to greatness of noble Vedic culture and Aryan ancestry.
A few questions that pop in mind:
* If India's political boundary today also included all the ancient Vedic cultures (Europe, Iran etc) and was called "Bharata", would one still be trying to prove "Out of India" theory?
* Why not have a "Out of Kishkinda" theory where forest dwellers of Kishikinda jungles moved northward and mixed with Indians living in the gangetic plain (sure they do have some common genes)? or an "Out of Mexico or Brazil" theory where European migration into Americas never happened but it was the reverse?
* How does one account for the fact that Europeans and most other Indo-European speakers in West Asia DO NOT HAVE any (that is, zero or virtually zero) South Asian IVC-related admixture in their DNA? (IVC = Indus Valley)? Does it not clearly show the direction of migration?
I think an Aryan "Migration" happened and not invasion - IVC was already on a decline when Aryans came to India. Sure there were some initial violent interactions between Aryans and early settlers people in IVC, but that was a norm between different tribes/races around the world at that time and shouldn't be judged by today's moral standards (Classic books such as Sapiens or Third Chimpanzee is a great read in this area). My admiration for "Maryada purushottam" Lord Rama or Vedas still stands tall despite Aryan migration.
An example of invasion is what Putin is doing in Ukraine today which is totally immoral.
I do understand there could be a political ramification of this where a certain section calls "descendants of these Aryan settlers" (read "upper castes") as "foreigners". Many fear this has the potential to divide India and I acknowledge that sentiment, however in today's connected globalized multicultural world, people of all cultures/castes/races are "melting", does it matter anymore?
If one reads books such as Sapiens and The Third Chimpanzee, we would understand how homo sapiens around the world are all connected, and have continuously migrated & come together to bring about big changes in how we live since we were hunter gatherers. No ethnic group around the world can claim an “original” homeland anymore, including the aborigines in Andaman or in Papua New Guinea. People need to be educated about this and the one-ness of entire humanity and not fall into trap of "one group is more exclusive/superior than other". Ironically, isn't this what "Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam" is about which we Indians are so familiar with?
We shouldn't judge history by today's moral standards. History should be accepted as it is without any shame - be it good or bad. Glory of our ancient past doesn't become any less, and I am still proud of our Aryan forefathers.
In conclusion, I would like to say that choice of words do matter as it has the power to send subconscious messages when we hear them. The words "invasion / raiders / annihilators / barbarians" isn't the right one to use for reasons mentioned above - context and history should be taken into account as well. Historians have a moral responsibility to be sensitive to perceptions created by the words they use.
I wish the people would be so kind to the Brahmins....
Your comment won my heart. I agree with you on each and every line you wrote. These guys still fearing that re-emergence of 'Aryan' and 'Dravida' identities could create a potential division in our nation, I accept that but reality is we all are mixed breed. None of us can claim that they are a complete Aryan or Dravida or anything. So, these propaganda sellers should accept the true facts and move on. India is already much united like never before.
Yes, history has been written by the winners and conquerors for all the time. But that needs to be changed now. Digging up civilizations and writing history is not an easy job like selling propoganda, it comes with great effort. Humans survived in this world for more than 2,50,000 years, yet we know so less about our ancestors, so at least we may learn what is true be it good or bad, doesn't matter. It's our responsibility.
@@AConcernedCitizen31456 It was popular in the early days of the theory, but is now very improbable. Europe has a much larger diversity of Indo-European language, the (surviving) Indo-Europeans languages outside of Europe are all Indo-Iranian, the same family. Also, if this were to happen, Europeans would have South Asian IVC ancestry, which they do not. The Sintashta and Andronovo cultures preceded Vedic culture and all that. Indo-Aryan languages have BMAC loanwords and other branches of Indo-Iranian languages do not, and neither do any other Indo-Europeans families. We saw the direction of migration in live action twice after it happened. The Scythians (they were Aryan, just a little different from the normal Indo-Iranians they ran into) were displaced from the Central Asian Steppe and entered India and Iran. Then the Kushans, who displaced the Scythians, were themselves displaced by another tribe, and then they did the same thing. Why on Earth would anyone go in the other direction? India and the Iranian plateau are much better places to stay than the (generally) cold, arid, infertile steppe, and of course, Siberia. The Aryan tribes in Central Asia must have been displaced and came in waves, both violently and peacefully, but all with the ultimate result of settling and assimilating, just like the group of Scythians and Kushans. Haplogroups are sequences in the sex chromosome that are passed from mother to daughter or father to son, their concentrations tell us about a people's migration history, Y-Haplogroups are used because men ran around invading, migrating, and, well, marrying women from other places so Y-Haplogroups are more widespread. The Y-Haplogroups R1a1 and R1b(something something, you only need to know the R1a and R1b) are associated with the Indo-Europeans. They clearly originated somewhere in the Pontic-Caspian Steppe, but aside from that they are found in higher concentrations among Europeans than Indians, overall. This too, there was a higher diversity, Aryans and Slavs are of the Haplogroup R1a whereas the other Indo-Europeans were of R1b, only R1a moved into India. Indo-Europeans were among the first to drink milk into adulthood. Most humans, after a certain age, lose their lactose tolerance, in other words, they lose the ability to produce lactase - the enzyme responsible for breaking down lactose- and undigested lactose builds up in their intestines and makes them sick. But, Indo-Europeans had higher concentrations of the lactase persistence gene, which ensures that they produce lactase into adulthood. Because of this, Indo-Europeans were healthier than sedentary farming populations, and whatever. But the way this shows the direction of movement lies in that Europeans, especially Western Europeans have the highest amounts, originally it would have only been 1/4 of the population but due to famines, natural selection killed off those who could not resort to milk as a means of sustenance. But anyway, the amount got smaller as Indo-Europeans approached India. In addition, Hindu oral tradition clearly shows the direction of movement, and acknowledges that the Adivasi tribe are not related to them. The Adivasi tribes' prevalence also makes this unlikely. To humanize the idea of "Why would you exit India?", imagine that you are in a hypothetical Indo-European IVC. You and a bunch of people move North into Central Asia and Southern Siberia, leaving your urban utopia for some odd reason. Somehow, you magically forget the cultivation of crops and spend all your time herding cattle, and domesticate the horse. Now you are poor, hungry, and cold. Now imagine you are the hypothetical proto-Aryan in that place, you grew up poor, hungry, and cold and knew nothing more than animal herding, and you guys are nomads to begin with. You get on your horse and move South because another tribe has displaced you, or you need better grazing areas, or any other push factor you can think of, your people are nomadic so you will move. Then you meet the Oxus civilization people who teach you how to cultivate crops in return for the great metals your people are unique and recognizable for. Learning these new things and not knowing what to call them, you just use their words for it, causing loanwords to enter your language. Then you go further south and meet the magnificent IVC, but they are already in decline. You learn many things about them and they influence your culture, but there may be sporadic fighting, disputes, but also intermixing. Ultimately you displace them, and inherit this great fertile land, and use your newly acquired knowledge to transform into a more agricultural society. Would you now go back? I know that was a bit too long but the point is, why would Aryans leave India? The Andronovo culture looks poor as heck.
In India or Islamic Countries ppls identified as only Religion, Caste, Sects only, Not by Race or Ethnicity 🤔
It true for just South Eastern Asia and Indian Subcontinent.
But in ethnicity concept, clashes of two groups are in worst conditions.
yes.... Religion first, then Sect..... Language & Ethnicity doesn't matter
Ive seen people be discriminated because they're so Indian or they're north eastern. Language is also another discriminating factor. But I think Religious discrimination is just as bad as any other discrimination ie racism.
@ADL AMD I've seen that too.
I tested my DNA and found that 100% I'm an alien species ... LOL
@AsiA I. Oof
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@@abrahmicsupremacist38 tera sab kuch Quran se Liya Gaya hai
Your grandmas open the door who ever knocks
You are sexi dafini
so this applies for whole south asia ?
Hmm so 4000-3500 years ago, there was a massive orgy party of historic proportions?
Touche!!!
Wasn't it recently debated that Aryan was a made up word by a European archeologist, which he took out of context from Vedas
He is not archaeologist but a superficial, lazy linguist. He categorised based on only vocabulary and not grammar, alphabets. He later in his life admitted flaws in his theory too.
@Abhishek Sunka What is the book called ?
It's has been genetically recorded that one gentleman in a village in Tamil Nadu holds the genetic signatures of the first indian that migrated out of Africa to India and later other south Asian counties till they reached Australia, which technically means he's every indian and Australian is his long lost cousin. There is a documentary called The Human Genome Project.
but caste system was surely created to divide and enslave the untouchble
@Pac Iff Ic The so called "untouchables" were the real people of the indian subcontinent and people who follow santana dharma are the foreigners....and what the fuck do you mean demonic culture? Fuckface.
I am working on a THEORY , my topic is Why INDIANS are busy in fighting in the name of CASTE RELIGION RACE LANGUAGE CULTURE Skin COLOUR citizenship 😂😁😀😀
Mainly because politicians need a job and they get it by manipulating people by the various points you have mentioned.Everything is for MONEY.
Exacccttlllyyyyyy...
We're INDIANS... THAT'S ALL WHAT WE SHOULD BELIEVE WE ARE
@Vijin Roy you are the fucking basterd who posted a comment showing your hatered for north indians in the comment section of that racist vedio propagating aryan invasion theroy
@@XD-lz5qphaha you are a big shit
CUZ WE ARE BORED I GUESS...THESE MUST HAVE HAD SERIOUS ENTERTAINMENT VALUE TO OLD TWISTED PEOPLE....NW V HAVE UTUBE...NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE NEXT PERSON THUS..
This is just Theory. Who knows what Really happened.
What matters is this "theory" explains way more currently observable phenomena than the competing theories. These phenomena includes, but not exclusive to, similarity and dissimilarity patterns in the DNA of current as well as fossilized humans from different regions, archeological site findings, languages evolution patterns, patterns in cultures and scriptures etc.
Please don't disregard a theory because it's not fitting your narrative that's not very scientific. If you think your narrative is better in explaining a wide range of separately observable phenomena then by all means write your own articles, make videos, ask Tony (or any other supporting the Tony's stance) for debate.
The reality is ait is fake
@Real Napster
Yeah, DNA testing is a tool of white colonialism.
Come on, who cares where you come from? Everyone migrated. This shouldn't be such a death blow to Indian nationalism. You came from somewhere else and genetics clearly back the Aryan Migration theory. So what? EVERYONE DID.
@Real Napster but Sanskrit is an indo European language
@@advickprosankto It was created in India.
The main "sensitivity" comes from the concept of the 1900s theories of the migration which was seen as an "invasion" that was postulated by the West and used warpedly by the Nazis. Also, it stems from the concept that Indian history starts from a Euro-Centric perspective- That the Vedas were given by some invading culture, though as the video mentioned, it was formed in India from various influences. European culture developed very differently from Indian culture, so it shows that the mixing of the different people of India is what makes the Indian culture "Indian" and European culture "European". Many of the well known Indian Gods are black in Skin color like Krishna/Rama etc but that was neglected. Also, the speculations of culture being within 6000 years is due to Europeans seeing the Indian cultures (as well as other cultures) from the perspective of the Bible- At that time, the Bible was the main authority of cultures, but cultures also predate this from the Indian tradition. The other issue comes from the fact they wanted to make Mesopotamian culture seem like it was prior to Indian, when in reality, many civilizations actually developed simultaneously and go older than the Biblical 6000 years. Most Indians are fine knowing that they are "mixed"- that is what makes them now known as "Indian."- they have the concept of Vasudeva Kutumabgan (the world is our family) because that is what they see- A diverse society where brothers and sisters can be different colors and many within the culture wanting to transcend the very notions of concepts of form. The sensitivity is due to the fact that Nazis appropriated certain concepts of Indian culture without actually understanding the essence of Indian culture/spirituality/philosophy in a warped way unfamiliar to the very essence of Indian culture- Like telling someone that Taco Bell is part of Mexican culture, or that Yoga was developed for Rich White Americans and not listening or caring to hear a different perspective. The issue mainly was from lack of respect of the understanding of Indians and their history and being told their history is only relevant if seen from a Western perspective of racism and subjugation- Indians these days are literally taught their history from a Western perspective. And those in India who continue the Aryan/Dravidian divide, are very ignorant of their own texts and sources and are ravaged from a time of racism.
Well said!
Brahmins claim themselves as pure race and called the meaning of 'Aryans' is wise people , however , pure race does not exist in indian subcontinent as far as the DNA experiment is concerned . And not to mention that the so-called talks of pseudo historians that the British has created "Divide and Rule " policy but it is true that the Brahmins alone divided our society through its heinous creation the caste system before the British . The British may inspire by the brahmins to divide us , in my opinion.
Good...toooooo close...
Caste system is there before 1000 years of British infia
Actually, not quite.
Varna and Jāti were separate things in India.
Varna was hereditary but not hierarchical.
Jāti was hierarchical but not hereditary.
It was in the British census of 1900-01 that Jātis got classified under Varna, because to the feudal British mind, social stratification needed to be both hereditary and hierarchical - they couldn’t understand a system that wasn’t.
And so the modern hereditary and hierarchical caste system was born.
@@cyfanfor : Jati is more dangerous than Varna as Varna is four types but jatis are more than six thousands , are created by the great clever Bramins for their political as well as social supremacy against many and also they ruled that no one does inte- caste marriage in the society . However, they always says that the British has created the caste system to establish their supremacy over india and so they divide us in name of caste .Ironically , in Shudra varna there are many caste such as Kayastha but Brahmin , Kshetriya and Baishya is also varna , is a creation by clever Brahmin .
i have never seen a brahmic claiming as pure race.
They see themselves are pure in qualities because of the practices they live by to keeping the mind and body like a temple.
so are the south indians the original inhabitants???
Not an expert, but I think the Dravidians were probably the West Asian migrants and the "Adivasis" might be the First Indians.
This is not an easy answer. Recently, geneticists have begun using these two terms (to avoid much controversy): Ancestral North Indian (ANI) and Ancestral South Indian (ASI).
* ASI is the population mixture of Iranian agriculturalists with the first settlers (hunter-gatherers) of India from Africa (mixing occurred around 9000 years ago [7000 BC]).
* ANI is the population mixture of the Steppe pastoralists ("Aryans") with the ASI (mixing began around 4000 years ago [2000 BC]).
Today, every Indian (except in certain regions such as North-East India and tribes in Andaman islands) has a mixture of both ASI and ASI genetic makeup. No one has pure ANI or pure ASI genetic makeup. Only the percentage of each differs in each individual based on many factors, including region; so South Indians tend to have more ASI genes than ANI.
The Africans who settled in India 65,000 years ago are the original inhabitants. But their genes are present in all Indians as I mentioned above as ASI and ANI.
Yeah. They came by ocean floating from Africa.
No specific Indian is really the original inhabitant. It’s pretty complicated and the whole pizza layer example oversimplifies the genetic history of South Asia. A split occurred between a population ancestral to most West Asians, Central Asians and North Africans and a population ancestral to the Veddas, Adivasis and other scheduled groups of South Asia.
The genetic divergence occurred somewhere between the Indus Valley region and Central India with the ancestral West Eurasian groups moving west to populate the Near East, Arabian Peninsula, Europe and North Africa. Those ancestral West Eurasians who remained became the major ancestors of Harappans and other pre Indo-European groups of South Asia. During the Neolithic, they received minor genetic admixture from agricultural migrants originating from Southwestern Iran or what was once known as Elam but overall their genetic structure remained mostly South Asian which is why most people from the region still have more South Asian DNA than West Asian admixture. Later Indo-European migrations added new components like North Eurasian which the IE people had mixed along with West Asian DNA from Northwestern Iran.
Interactions throughout South Asia paved way for all components to be spread out in the overall population so it’s not gonna do justice to South Asian demographic history by saying that one group originally inhabited the entirety of South Asia. One forgets the diversity in not only population but also climate and UV levels which also influence phenotype, believe it or not.
Dc Poorvi apply burnol. Dravidian built the IVC
Nowadays no one in india is Aryan or Dravidian...we all r mixed up.... I'm a bengali nd i know I'm mixed....I know my dad's ancestors were Aryan and mom's Dravidian...
Some have the skin color of a south sudanese and some have the skin color of an Italian so no you are not all mixed up.
Man you yet believe in Aryan theory?🙄
I won't be reading this book
@Aspiring Physicist So you don't believe in Aryans? Read dude read.
Whenever Aryan topic discussed brahmins starts feeling insecure
Why?
Ooooh we are shaking in our boots! 😂
@@06pramodbhat go study anthropology you will get to know why
@@thebluejay2977 I couldn't care less
@@06pramodbhat ya i know,
Hope I could travel back in past like Bran Stark
We are first men, southerners. Northerners are like andals.
But Andamaese and tribals in South India are the children of forest. The original people of Indian subcontinent.
@@seemsokay5815 All humans are descendants of the early humans who migrated out of Africa. So there cannot be original people of anywhere except Africa.
@@jonahkamalakar9569 the first inhabitants is what I meant by original people.
Find a three eyed raven first.. Then you can hope of traveling back like Bran or even ruling the six kingdoms...
this tony joseph theory is fully bogus, he is a journalist with an agenda, not a archaeologist.
I like the presentation and the way it is presented.
North Indians and tamilians are more aggressive when it comes to their race. Hindi people don't like tamilians and vice versa. Aryans and Dravidian! Is it worth fighting now?
You are wrong here.more then 95percent of northindian don't know about there race and they don't care. Yea they know about caste but not race. And most of the north indian cannot diffrenciate between Tamil and Telugu. They only know south indian.and they love southindian people.and the proof is that in every tv channel for past 7to 8years people watch here south Indian Hindi dubbed movies only
Not all north Indian just brahmins
@@user-ll6pr5cw1f have you met any haryanvi or punjabi Brahmins..they no different than any other castes of states...98percent of them never visited to south india..even 80percent didn't even visit delhi...most of them are uneducated...you haven't seen the village here...you only knows those English speaking Brahmins...who are less than 1percent of the entire north Brahmin population...and some of them speak some shit... you think the entire north india is like that....99percent population here were farmers...and most of them still are
Dravidian divisive politics created hate against north Indians. North Indians dont even know about this thing. Dravidian identity politics is bread and butter of DMK & ADMK but DMK is more like radical and seperatist mindset which they tried in early days. Now they are again trying to create environment for that.
@@nikhilchaubey336 I agree that this so called race war is heavily used in politics in my state but please dont point fingers at our politics when y'all's is mostly just based on religion and secularism. All the political parties in india are equally responsible for this shit. Also if y'all are high and might about this why the heck would they reduce funding and keep on interfering in all the recent evacuations being done in tamil Nadu which is showing connections to indus valley civilization?? The central govt gives us shit funding and the whole population of the north wishes to remain oblivious to all the mishandling being done to us, why in the world will someone think that we will keep out mouths shut?? Now let's not even talk about what's happening with our west indian brothers shall we...
Marry a decent person from a different caste, that's the best way to end the caste system :-)
What caused beginning of endogamy if people were already mixed pretty well 🤔? Was there any king or huge kingdom that can make the system work in every part of subcontinent even in small villages?? I find it wierd
Who were living in this land before all these migrations happened?
Well, no one. Everyone migrated from Africa. Humans as we know them, evolved in Africa but then migrated to various places around the world. Why? Because we were 'hunter-gatherers'. We had no clue how to farm so we just kept on moving to places where there is food. I hope that answers your question Akash ji.
Nobody knows anything. We don't even understand DNA totally yet.
The ancient ancestoral south asians were there for a while doe. 65000 b.c. till the first migration from fertile crescent 7000 b.c. its not fair to call these guys Iranians because iranians are related to the aryans who came 4 thousand years ago into iran and india from the steppe region. The term iran = aryan.
Recently, geneticists have begun using these two terms (to avoid much controversy): Ancestral North Indian (ANI) and Ancestral South Indian (ASI).
* ASI is the population mixture of Iranian agriculturalists with the first settlers (hunter-gatherers) of India from Africa (mixing occurred around 9000 years ago [7000 BC]).
* ANI is the population mixture of the Steppe pastoralists ("Aryans") with the ASI (mixing began around 4000 years ago [2000 BC]).
Today, every Indian (except in certain regions such as North-East India and tribes in Andaman islands) has a mixture of both ASI and ASI genetic makeup. No one has pure ANI or pure ASI genetic makeup. Only the percentage of each differs in each individual based on many factors, including region; so South Indians tend to have more ASI genes than ANI.
The Africans who settled in India 65,000 years ago are the original inhabitants. Their genes are present in all Indians as I mentioned above as ASI and ANI.
We keep saying Indian Indian. There is nothing called Indian. India is too huge to be a country. And to diverse to. Be one country. It's a continent. With different inhabitants... All different cuisine, languages culture etc... And the wickedest part is we. Racists.. Biggest racist.. We look up to the whites no matter how much we sound like we hate them and we look down at africans.. I'm waiting to see everyones faces when they realize original inhabitants were africans and we just by products of it...
siby mathew India is just a nationality. I hate it when the nationalist try to say we’re all the same people when we’re not. I’m Punjabi, not Indian.
@@harmankhinda5743 u r a chutiya
@@raktsambandh I don't associate myself with your Indian people. I have a different ethnicity, language, religion, and identity from you. i don't subscribe to your Hindu supremacist bullshit.
Very good explanation.
But what about the R2 lineages who are 10-15% of the Indian male lineages with heavier concentration in the south. There must have been a third Aryan arrival, probably much older than the other two.
1st they said Invasion
Then they say Migration
After some time they will say Aryan was Tourist 😂
Seems almost like science is a self-correcting process which has abandoned many of the ideas of 19th century scholars...
*Some of the migration may have happened through invasion.* Some of it may have happened peacefully.
Is that so hard to understand? Just think a little before you comment!
@@bobinpune
Or may be Aryans originated in India only and then migrated to other parts of Eurasia
Maybe they were😂
A mere conflict of whether it's migration or invasion doesn't make the facts wrong. Aryans came from outside. That's what vast majority of studies shows.
Iranian are the original Aryans who invaded India from the west, this what we call it as ARYAN INVASION.
The country Name Iran itself means "Land of the Aryans" and Iranshahr. The very close relation between Iranian and Indo-Aryan groups has never been doubted. They share linguistic features to such a degree that Indo-Iranian is generally described as a distinct subgroup of Indo-European. The term Arya has been used by the Iranian people, as well as by the rulers and emperors of Iran, from the time of the Avesta.
The well-attested Indo-Iranian languages are Vedic Sanskrit, Avestan and Old Persian. Sanskrit and Avestan are very closely related languages with exact grammatical principles and numerous cognates [Blood Relative]. You can find words which are exactly identical, like Sanskrit/Avestan naman (name), ushtra (camel) etc.
Language, literature, epics & poems evolves every century. In Vedic/Hindu literature, Asuras (Ahuras) are bad guys while Devas are heroes. In Zoroastrian/Persian literature, Ahuras (Asuras) are heroes while Daevas are the villains.
When the Vedic Aryans moved further, they arrived in the Indian subcontinent they were faced by the native Dravidians, Dravidians that got conquered were placed as low caste in Vedic Aryan society. The Vedic Aryans continued to call the enemy as “Asuras", but the description of the Asuras changed to Dravidians (i e. present day south-Indians) with dark skin, large facial hair etc.
This itself is a proof that Rigveda evolved in Persia i.e. present day Iran and moved to Indian sub-continent. Initially Asuras (Ahuras) were referring to Zoroastrian/Persian and in later days Asuras were used to refer Dravidians.
We have all the proofs for Aryan invasion in Rig Veda itself. Dasyus were the people who lived in India when the Aryans arrived here. They were having a dark-skin and flat noses. Battles depicted in the R̥gveda are directly referring to Aryans migrating into India which is native land of dark skinned people Dravidians. Rig Veda - Dasa: 54 hymns and 63 verses and Dasyus: 65 hymns, 80 verses. The accounts of conflict between the Aryans and the Dasas and Dasyus are acknowledged in Rig Veda.
Rig Veda describes that Dasas and Dasyus were people who do not perform sacrifices. Aryans had to fight with these people for land. The Aryans defeated them and did not treat them well. The Aryan chief who overpowered Dasyus were called dasyuhatya (slaughter of the dasyus) this is repeatedly mentioned in the Rig Veda.
Read the following to know more on this same subject
Aryan by Birth - Upper Caste Fair Skin NORTH Indian (Brahmin, Kshatriyas & Vaisyas)
Dravidian by Birth - Lower caste Dark Skin Sudras & Paraiahs / Panchamas (Dalits / Tribes)
People living in Indian Sub continent who are ALL fair in complexion have mostly Steppe land R1A1 genes in their DNA these people are basically Aryan. More than caste it is the Skin color which decides whether some one is Aryan Or Dravidians. People living in Indian Sub continent who are Dark in complexion have mostly South Asian Hunter Gatherer genes in their DNA these people are Dravidian [Tamils] basically.
Tamils means all Sudras & Paraiahs / Panchamas (Dalits / Tribes) lived/living across Indian sub - continent. Even today, you can see dark skinned and pale dark skinned people living across India in all places, they were all Tamils only in ancient India. "Justice H N Nagamohan Das Commission panel" says, Indian Vedic philosophy lead to social inequality and caste system, All these happened because of Brahmins, Upanishads, Manusrmiti, and epics like Mahabharata and Ramayana...” the commission said in its July 2020 report, which the BJP government formally accepted.
The panel report also says that people belonging to Dravidian race resided in North India once upon a time. “Many foreign invaders such as ARYANS, Persians, Greeks, Huns, Turks, Mongolians, Europeans etc came and fought against local people. The rulers who won the war developed relations with local women and consequently emerged mixed races”
About Kasthriyas, who ever had the courage and willpower they counqured the land [It is very difficult for a Sudhra to achieve this], for them even if they are from lower caste, Brhamins did NOT had any choice. So, Brahmins accepted who ever won the war as Kasthriyas except Muslim. Kasthriya Kings always married fair and good looking girls mostly. So, Kasthriyas community have a mix of Upper caste and lower caste DNAs in them.
The ancient text Manusmriti designate the Shudra as Peasants and Artisans i.e. Farmers and All Craftsman, Shudra is NOT to mean slaves.
Read the following facts about DNA Studies.
Why R1A1 DNA originates in EUROPE, but not in india. why it is it not found or too less in percentage among South Indian people ?
Why M haplogroups DNA is not found in Upper caste Aryans or North indians ? If found why so less ?
If you have read Vedas there are lots of mention about a food made of Horse meat, then why HORSES are not native to INDIA ?
Why copper hoard culture found only with Aryans, but not with Dravidians ?
Why antenna swords found in Sinauli - India which belongs to BMAC - Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex ?
Haplo M is found among 60% of modern day indians. It is in every person from south. But here’s the main catch ! It’s only found in depressed classes of northern and tribal peoples of northen india. But, almost to zero to 1-4% among Higher caste Aryans or North indians.
Just like R1A1 not found in south in the same way south’s M groups are not found among R1A1 peoples of north.
So, it is proved beyond doubt that "ALL upper caste Fair Skin North Indians are ALL ARYANS, and all lower caste Dark Skin Sudras & Paraiahs / Panchamas (Dalits / Tribes) are all Dravidians"
It was called "Aryan Invasion" first. When that failed they came with "Aryan Migration". There are several theories about the Aryans. So, no single theory can be treated as the ultimate truth as the ultimate truth as claimed in this video. Also, there are several theories about the place from where "they came", even among those who say Aryan invasion did happen. Hinduism was present even before the arrival of the Aryans because the non-Vedic,non-Aryan elements of Hinduism was already present here. And about the "tukde tukde gang". Well, there may be a "tukde tukde gang" in India 2,000 years back. But there came a tukde tukde gang with the arrival of ✝ which propagated monotheism and hence started demeaning other relig ions. There came a tukde tukde gang 1400 years ago. And there came a tukde tukde gang in India a few years ago and it was "original" too.
We fight with tooth and nail on where we came from, but change will chew us up, for we still do not know where we are going!
Damn it's all politics...🤨😶
Its proved beyond doubts that Aryans are immigrants and not part of IVC. Most of us are descendants of IVC people. What about you ? What you are trying to do here is politics of fraud.
@@usanna4903 How can you say that aryans are immigrants. All you guys have to say who support AIT is the horses. Nothing else.
Non AIT have thousands of reasons about it. so it os debunked already.
KUMAR SHUBHAM yeah . All your evidences are faked . First of all , know why Vedas are not written down but orally transmitted . Nomads don’t have a place so they don’t need to write down on a stone to revisit .
IVC is scripted .
Rama is a Iranian ( Aryan ) king . If you claim you are Aryan then your friends (and enemy Avestans) are in Aryan. Your DNA will match theirs more than Other Indians . Go find out . Don’t betray your own people
@@usanna4903 Oh what a joke. They are away from India and writing about Indian rivers as they have already decided to invade India.
Oh Rama is an Iranian.
I am not an upper caste , I have no reason to support aryans. But most facts support that aryans are natural inhabitants.
KUMAR SHUBHAM vedas we’re conceived when the nomadic Aryans we’re moving towards west . They had reached Sutlej when the Rig Veda was conceived . Earliest Vedic people are foreigners for sure.
Indians didn't come from anywhere else, it is everyone else who came from India.
No.
@@himanshutahiliani1235 Thank you, I meant Kumari Kandam.
Tamil...oldest....close to elamite, a language of people from zagros mountains in southern Iran...these people were the ancestors of harappans...so, everyone of us is a foreigner except the indigenous onga and sentinelese living in the Andaman...bohot gyaan pel diya😂
Everyone one is Forgeiners because all came from Africa
Hahahah... Chutiya.... keep spreading your propaganda..
A story propounded as truth.😂😁
Akhbar khol ke dekh aajka tima mile to.
I love leftists, they have some sort of dress code.
They are so sure about there 'facts' which may or may not have any basis.
@@husaindaud5569 The greatest trick some people ever pulled off is to convince that a commonly accepted fact by all the doyen of archeology, scientists have more chances of "may be" getting facts right rather than "must be". The west have those who deny climate change or that vaccination doesn't work. Here we have some people who in their infinite wisdom turns facts into opinions. If it turns out right, they can switch to another fact to morph into opinions and if not than continue strengthening your worldview. Ye jo AAP leftist-rightist ka Khel khel rahe ho, ki leftist hai to chutiya hai. Rightist hai to logical hai vo apko kuch Naya seekhne hi nahi dega. I'm an engineer not a politician to be termed leftist- rightist. One question though, Can physics be termed as shit if some 'leftist' scientist discover or invent something?
@@RahulSingh-iz7if agreed on some points, do you think left/ right ideology is agenda driven.
Do you agree with b b Lal(ex asi cheif and archeologist of great repute) on Aryan dravidian theory
What are your opinions on Dr satyjit rath explanation
What are your views on Ani/asi paper
They all point towards one thing ,there is a reasonable amount of doubt?
I never said leftists are chutiya , I used the phrase, may or may not.
Btw d to define leftist as one who is for revolution is now obsolete as Hindu fundantalist s are called right wingers while Muslim fundantalist is left winger how?
When left doesn't believe in any institution religion or nation.
What and why was the term tukde tukde used in this video.
Communist manifesto by f a and k m clearly says the ideology works only when there are two classes , bourgeois and proliterat sans any religion and nationhood ,and this my friend is there agenda.
Please do tell what you feel about the left agenda based teaching,history making and media management.
A comrade must have no sympathy for any institution religion , nation, God ,region, marriage and family( das kapital vol 2).
@@RahulSingh-iz7if yes I am a left hating ,centrist in my political views.
Definitely not a modi bhakt.
Beautiful explanation. More than half of the population is mixed breed, so there's no need be sensetive about it. What's needed is accept the fact and move on from people's side. There's nothing wrong in being Aryan or Dravid, as I said, more than half of population are mixed breed and moreover we all have been living together since thousands of years. What's needed is moving on and solving on-going problems.
Dhat!!!! Eisa baat karnese politicians aur power brokers ko dhanda keisa chalega? Dobara eisa bologe to jail me daal dega...
Tony Joseph presents facts based on scientific approaches. Unfortunately many might not appreciate it because it doesn't fit their political or racist agenda. Anyway, he's done a good job.
no, he is talking rubbish without any proof or evidence.
@@VikramKumar-wd4dr racist spotted .. yeahh genes information are fake ...what's your source of truth Mr .genius
Which is older Tamil or Sanskrit on you tube
When people mix history with politics.
Quint can mix color of water with politics and religion. Its their skill and they are very good at it.
No. History with Hindu Mythology
* "Keeladi" excavation in tamilnadu, they found the Black and red pots written in "Tamizli" words matching with Ashokan Brahmi words✨
Have you read the report? The research clearly shows that the DNA was not of aryan but of Dravidian completely with a bit of Iranian about 2-3% but 98% Dravidian. And now if you check the DNA of North Indians you'll find that it is not Dravidian but different with only some percentage of it Dravidian and mostly it is different.
This just proves that Migrations did happen. Whether you call it migration or Invasion but different people did came and mated with the Dravidians resulting in the present mixture.
Same holds true almost every everywhere in the world. Imagine the speculation and theories if some 10,000-12,000 years from now , in the distant future, long after our civilization has vanished without a trace, some bones with DNA are discovered in a cemetery or a warzone in say USA .Being a nation of immigrants , with a history of of slavery in its past, not to mention the rising trend in inter racial marriages, the DNA would show fascinating traces of vastly different ethnic groups ..
Man has always moved and in waves for many many reasons over hundreds and thousands of years , unless in some rare situations , like in Japan , that some populations remained quite isolated for most of its history .That is why,, the Japanese are one of the most racially pure populations.
Then it must be very recent coz tamil brahmi is relatively new like arround Buddha's time
@@pg5353 No no you're missing the subtle assumption even this author had made. That vedic literature and sanskrit was bought into India by the aryans. Thta's what the politicians are relating to. Besides comparitive linguistics there is no ground to make that assumption.
But by rakhighari DNA, the pre aryan Chariot from sonipat , Keezhadi excavations are prooving that, the harappans were the vedic culture and not the aryans.
This would bring down the politics of aryan drawidian prevalent in current politics.
@@krishnankeyen1535 But the Indus scripts although not yet deciphered , are said to be of Dravidian origin relating more to Dravidian languages.
THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF VEDAS IS NOW FORGOTTEN THE VEDANT PART (ADVAIT). BUT EVEN IF WE JUST BE HONEST NOW THEN WE COULD BECOME A BETTER SOCIETY.
Great sir👍.
its very fact if u can just research.👍
10000 years history, u tell us only in 6 mints.
Since u wrote book... we can’t accept everything... in tamilnadu go to a place called KEELADI and then write your second book
"The results suggest that the urbanisation of Vaigai plains happened in Tamil Nadu around 6th century BCE, same time as the Gangetic plains,” said Commissioner of Archaeology T Udayachandran. Please have a look at the lines quoted by respected member of archaeology community Tamil Nadu.
There are many theories that really suggest Indians are mixed race.😃🙂
Nobody asked you either bozo
Shiva Kumar Keeladi is Sangam civilisation, so why he should write another book?
@@bijayahamal1668 because it couldt be the oldest civilization, and prior to Harappa and mohanjadaro. It would change the the timeline of Indian civilization.
You know more more than this one thing
so indus valley civilization is it a myth that it is first? and Tamil with at least 5000 years history
Question when a person of India descent and take a DNA test or 23 Ancestry test what are you call I thought it was East Asia?. That the Asian was chinese.
I have 75% Persian ancestry and 25% ASI ancestry. I am living in Karnataka.