The other problem that Logan (and to some extent, Nyck) faced this 2023 is just how close everyone is. A few years ago, a 0.300 sec gap might keep you only 1 or 2 places behind your teammate. Now that same gap can mean you start 5 places behind. Between time and position, people are going to remember your position relative to your teammate more. Starting 5 places behind sounds a lot harsher than being outqualified by 3 tenths of a second.
Although if Logan started to have cleaner laps and have less mistakes like Oscar piastri he would be quite fast with the Williams upgrades 🏎️ especially with what we have seen with Oscar
@@Woz_37That's a fair assessment. I think we'd be judging Logan a lot less this year if only he kept his nose a lot cleaner. He doesn't even need to be super rapid. Zhou proved last year that all you really needed to do in your rookie year is to keep your nose clean.
@@bonelesswatermelon420 Zhou has been really impressing me. I think Aston Martin should really be considering him as a good no.2 for Alonso, where he can learn from him and then develop into the team leader once Alonso retires. I know it would be very sad for Lawrence to drop his son, but if they want to win championships, in the modern age, you need two high quality drivers (or just Max Verstappen).
@@Woz_37it's amazing, albon would not be getting all this hype he's getting now if he was teammates with piastri right now, there'd be saying he can't even beat a rookie. Amazing how a subpar teammate boost your standing.
Piastri surprised me the most. He went head to head against Norris in Italy and even touched him, getting out his elbows. Piastri is a champion in the making no doubt about it.
@@walover165 Because any British commentary always thinks Lando will be the next Max. I think Oscar has much more potential for a future multiple-time WDC than Lando.
Max had only half a season in F3 after his cart when he got the contract with RB, within 3 weeks after signing he got an invitation for joining F1. So on his 16th he was a F1 driver, doing his first F1 race when he was 17, first points when 17 and first win when he was 18. I don’t think there is someone even close to that.
Indeed, there isn't someone close to having a father with that level of connections with top F1 teams to pull this out, as long as nurturing him (with even questionable methods some would say) from a very young age to become an F1 driver. Leclerc won the F3 and F2 by storm as a rookie, pulling out one of the most impressive races in Bahrain by pitting in a sprint race and winning, he easily outperformed a 4-times world champion (who, exactly a year before was fighting for the championship, so he wasn't washed out) as a rookie in Ferrari, but you see, he had to fight it alone to get through the ranks.
This generation of drivers is simply insanely good. Russel, Albon, Norris, Max and Leclerc are all solid drivers. Being an F2 champion just doesn't cut it anymore. Drugovich, Mick, De Vries, Vandoorne and Palmer were all F2 champions (Grosjean and Maldonado also lol). Piastri dominated F3 and F2 and just look at how solid he is. F1 is simply stacked with talent right now. You need that level and be able to score points, or you bring cash like Zhou, Sargeant, Mazepin or Stroll.
Make a video on Kimi Antonelli. He just got announced by Mercedes that he will go straights from F4 to F2. To be fair he obsoletely destroyed everyone 13 wins 14 pole 14 fastest laps. So many overtakes and his ability in the wet. They are defiantly lining him up to replace Lewis
antonelli is a damn god talent, but unless fernando retires next year or albon gets a better seat i really dont see him being able to be direct replacement for hamilton. mercedes will most likely want to place him in a seat at a lower team for a year at the very minimum (like they did with ocon and russell), and with mclaren being mclaren and aston having their honda deal for 2026, williams might very well be their only option, meaning williams would have to have a driver on a 1 year contract (assuming kimi does well in f2 next year). i wont be surprised to see him in a mercedes, i just think we may be 3 to 5 years away from that as things stand rn
I find it weird he gets the straight jump up like that, drivers need to develop and gain experience through the category ladder. Climbing the categories is what really sets apart drivers in terms of experience behind the wheel. Also, i believe Antonelli is seriously overrated compared to the field in freca. I mean hes just clinging on to p1 in his second season and is almost getting beat by a rookie(Stenshorne). I gotta say im more impressed by how Martinius is driving, acknowledging hes a rookie, compared to Kimi. Although would love to see both of them battle it out through the ranks together, as i believe they are the brightest talents coming up in the next few years.
@@sophiaemily1819 the Merc junior development chief has said if he gets super license points he will be getting promoted to F1. And it's there responsibility for him to get a seat. The will probably go all in and spend money to get him into F1
@@christofferrsnes9508 yeah but Kimi is different territory. When a driver simply has no competition and competing in 7 different championship in 1 year and still winning in every thing he is generational
You are correct that he is a very impressive driver but you are wrong that he moved from F4 directly to F2 in 2022 he won both the Italian & ADAC F4 Championships while in 2023 he is racing at (and leading) the Formula Regional European Championship , and he has already won the Formula Regional Middle East Championship I wonder if it is the right decision to send him directly to F2 instead of F3 ...i think it would have been wiser to take that extra step
I disagree. Mick had 2 years and simply didn't deliver. Beating Mazepin on points really isn't really a miracle. I think Haas are much better off with KMag and the Hulk. Given that Debris was only given 10 races, Mick was lucky (and let's not forget that he brought good sponsor money, too).
Stroll is not on the level, no words on how bad and far of the pace in comparison with Alonso; Tzunoda not on the level, he will never receive a RBR spot; Botas not on the level; Ocon performing really really bad; Perez is also performing really really bad; K.Mag really bad performances; This are a hand-full of drivers that might be replaced sooner or later
The bar already arisen from Hakkinen-Schumacher era to Alonso-Hamilton-Rosberg. The bar hit a dipped again when Vettel's era began with gulf F2/GP2 champion came to F1 and failed to be competitive as they were previously in F2/GP2. They were Vandoorne, Hulk, Maldonado, Grosjean, and Palmer. The bar rise again from 2015 with some generational talented drivers came to F1 from F2. They were Max, Leclerc, Albon, Gasly, Norris, and Russell replacing they previous former F2 champions.
This season there's only 1 rookie that stands out head and shoulders above the rest and that Piastri and with Danny Ric out Lawson is showing a lot of talent even after only 2 races
Oscar is doing very well and is the best of the present rookies. Being with Lando will teach him a lot and give him a high bar to aim for. Oscar has weaknesses and thats why Lando is well ahead as he should be . It will take time to become as fast as Lando in the races and then do it consistently over a season. Quali performances comes first as drivers have raw speed which never changes. Knowing the tracks helps. I am sure Oscar will out qualify Lando on occasion but the races are a different matter especially to do it over a season. It must alos be factored in that Lando is only one year older and he is still improving as well.
i would go even a step further than that, rookie standard shot up drastically since 1991, which is michael schumacher, then 1996 which is Jacquez Villenueve, 2002 at the hands of Kimi Raikkonen,2007 at the hands of Lewis Hamilton, 2008 at the hand of Sebastian Vettel, 2014 by max at toro Rosso then 2016 straight up in Barcelona, then continues with what aldas mentioned.. the last 30 years, the rookie standard shot up to the point its very harsh
@@jamescleanair5471 yes and he even got his first point on his first race in melbourne 2001, on 2002 he's basically replacing mika and did well above expectation, then 2003 he won his first GP at malaysia
Let me remind you, these are supposed to be best of the best. Teams never want a downgrade, they won't change a good driver for a worse one unless they need money. Rookies will be judged harshly because that's how competitive F1 is at this time, teams (especially in midfield) can't afford a bad driver. That's millions in prize money. Look at Aston and now imagine McL or Mercedes have a shit second driver
Albon has quickly become my favorite driver. His rise is deserved. Hard ass work, and helping develop. Williams is not a mid field team, but with albon they are. It's awesome!
Logan's problem isn't that he's making mistakes. It's that he's consistently 0.5-1.0 seconds slower than Albon in every session and race. And he is making mistakes on top of that. Piastri meanwhile is beating Norris in quite a few head to head sessions recently, and Liam Lawson was only a tenth off Tsunoda this weekend in his 2nd race. Compared to these two, Sargeant is underperforming. You can say it's harsh to drop somebody after 1 season, but what about Felipe Drugovich who won F2 and hasn't gotten a full time F1 drive yet? If you get that F1 chance and your raw speed just isn't there, then that won't magically improve. Better to let someone else have that chance instead. Get Drugovich or Alex Palou in the second Williams seat if Sargeant can't up his game
I don't understand the hype with Drugovich. He finished P9 and P8 in his first 2 years in F2. Palou might have potential but he might be another De Vries.
Palou is a very different situation to De Vries. NDV was very lucky to win his title in Formula E, and Palou absolutely DOMINated in Indycar, a historically very competitive series@@CharlPantaleon
@@dylanschang6386 Ok, this I understand. Palou won it twice and dominated over a tough-looking field. How about Drugovich, though? Why is he being brought up? I think even Markelov and Pourchaire were more impressive than Drugovich, but you don’t see their names being thrown in the ring.
Franchise driver really makes me think of Schumacher. Came in like a wrecking ball at Jordan to qualify immediately in the top ten ahead of his teammate with vastly higher experience. Was robbed of a good showing in the GP due to a clutch problem, immediately got signed by Benetton to hit the ground running and become the driver that the team would rally around. Did the same at Ferrari. Michael was truly the epitome of a franchise driver, if not among the first.
I think part of it is with the cost cap, teams have more belief that they can develop a top car and they want to be sure they have a championship caliber driver in their car for if/when that happens
I disagree that rookies should be given more time, because the bar has been raised by other 'unicorn' talents. They are the new standard and if you can't beat/match them, you shouldn't be in F1. It's as simple as that. I actually like this super high standard that F1 currently has, because it filters out paydrivers even harder. Just look at how badly a Lance Stroll is being exposed at the moment.
Ultimately this is a matter of supply and demand. Right now there are many well established drivers with only 20 seats to fill. But even then, for Williams, even if they were unhappy with Seargant, there isn’t any other well established driver out there unless somebody like Checo loses his seat. So, replacing him with another unproven talent, is quite risky so it does come down to whether he can take a similar progression path like Yuki to become a solid driver in year two or three.
They also came in in the era of unlimited testing, and Schumacher and Hamilton both came into decent cars - championship-capable, in Hamilton's case. Rather different than dumping a rookie in a Haas with only a few days behind him.
@@walover165Kimi also came into a decent car as well albeit what's impressive about him is how he got the seat after doing just 23 races in the junior Formula's
@@walover165 "Scumacher came into decent car"???? HOW OLD ARE YOU? Schumacher qualified a dog of a car (Jordan) in 7th in his first race, in a track he had never driven before, even for testing! Then he got into Benetton which was, literally, the 4th best car on the grid and he still won!
I think reason why Yuki is still in Alphatauri is because hes has the "franchise driver" ideal. A nice person who is relatable and is entertaining to watch. He has also grown alot since his first season. Yuki has shown great promise and growth overall. I think Redbull are in a spot with Yuki where they can get rid of him if wanted but theres no better options for them beside Yuki. I think the reason why the rookies of Albon Charles Russel Norris and Charles also Max are so popular and such great racers is because they have raced each other for years. So over the years of growth beating each other and getting faster and better and accelerated them to the top.
The F1 grid has likely never been as competitive as it is now, with almost every team having a championship-caliber driver or even two. So of course the expectations on rookies have risen, because there's so many phenomenal drivers to choose from.
I still think that the cost cap is just as big of a killer as these guys are, it was easier to give rookies more leeway when it wasnt taking money directly out of the development budget or upgrades because you suddenly have to replace a new floor or suspension because someone crashed. Doesnt matter if they become good in three years time if you cant upgrade the car properly during those three years
@@KeithCaptain oh absolutely but I also think the cost cap gives the teams more reason to chop and change instead of sticking with their rookies or doing what Haas did and bring in someone like Hülkenberg because its more capfriendly
I think it's also important to mention that unlucky middle generation between ur Lewis, Vettel's etc. and ur George, Max, Leclerc, Norris where u have u know in the right machinery a Ricciardo, Checo, Valterri, possibly Hulkenburg in that conversation, u know they r capable of being that championship winning driver but have either not has the car to compete for a title or when they have been, they r paired with generational talents like Max or Lewis and teams often turn to them as a cheaper option to a Verstappen or a Leclerc or a Hamilton and is easier to get out of a contract and offers a great talent and experience resulting in valuable points worth millions
The reason AT kept Tsunoda for so long is also because of AT and Hondas link, and the fact that Honda and Tsunoda are both from Japan! And now he has developed to become a pretty solid driver👌🏼
I'm a Max fan, but it still blows my mind that 2007 Lewis rookie season against THE MAN who dethroned Schumacher and the reigning double champion Alonso and in HIS FIRST EVER START he makes that overtake, and WAS WITH THE TITLE IN HIS HANDS with 2 races to go. Amazing. That's not talked about enough. Hard for me to think of a young driver being more impressive than that.
My only concern is we’re headed to a future when most teams on have 1 seat available and some have non at all merc McLaren alpine maybe have there seats basically filled for 5+ years and the rest have 1 filled and the other will never be challenged red bull Ferrari Williams Aston
Completely agree with ya! I think that the likes of Max, George, Lando and Charles are so talented and so exceptional they’ve set the bar high for the new rookies and the likes of Mick Schumacher, Nick de Vries and now potentially Sargent have fell victim to that. They’re not been given a fair chance. Hopefully things change but money talks n points turn into cash for the teams which they all need to carry on competing, developing and thrive
George, Alex and Lando all came in to f1 together but Lando is nearly 2 years younger than George and nearly 3 years younger than Alex. He drove several f1 FP1 sessions the second half of 2018. They need a season to be a rookie, make mistakes, learn and improve. Your point about the car is extremely valid, but comparing Logan to someone much older with experience in several cars and in car development (his between year) seems a bit unfair. I get it, it’s competitive and I should be.
With F1 drivers in general being given less and less time actually spent in the car driving it, it puts more focus on the rookies being good right out of the box because they don't have any time to practice and put in work behind the wheel to improve. Back in the day drivers would spend hundreds if not thousands of extra hours testing and driving the car outside of races, and teams aren't allowed to do that anymore which only increases the pressure on incoming drivers to perform.
There is two types of rookies: there’s what I have heard called the blue rookie who is someone who takes time to develop and doesn’t push the limits of the car right away, meanwhile the red rookie is a person that gets into the car and often climbs over the limit and then spins or crashes more often than the blue neither is necessarily better than the other but red rookies seem to find more success earlier than the blue ones
Max is actually both: he was a red rookie in 2015-mid 2018, very fast but very crash prone because he had to outdrive his car. Then he became blue rookie from mid 2018 when he polished his driving style and settled into team leader role
Because the blue rookie is never testing the limits of the car even if they’re bringing it home in one piece. The red rookie finds the limit consistently and gets comfortable driving on it after a few errors (lessons) on where it’s at
It's a really interesting discussion and something I've thought about a lot this season as I've got into F2 and F3. When you watch the races you can see why the points tally doesn't tell the whole story, there is so much luck involved, look at Vesti in the last few races. But F1 teams are looking for drivers that are going into F2 as rookies and showing they can win, because that seems to be the best gauge of raw talent. Obviously that's not always true if you look at Albon, and Zhou to an extent. Lawson had basically the same points as Sergeant in F2, but Sargeant was a rookie, which is why Williams were impressed with him. I think he should get another season
It's not only the drivers (maybe it's an exceptional group that's to be debatable) but what is different from now then couple of years is the test days. Teams are not allowed to test their car much anymore, they are so strict with time they can let guys drive the cars. So they will be dropped without much preparation in a car and then it's a normal seat so you should perform. What I mean to say, before they had test days this total is getting lower by the year. The FIA is breaking it for guys to develop themselves before getting a seat. For the rest we now have the SIM what also the now compare to other years.
I mean there is so much talent waiting for a seat that if you are under performing people tend to assume there is someone who does it better - Sargeant also doesn't have the standout junior formula success that others have
Why i reckon Oscar will excel; his dry wit and personality goes against the loudness of Lando. He has a sense of humour but it's quite tactile for an F1 driver.
It was hard to come in and compare Piastri to de vries and Sargeant due to the car difference between them. However with what Lawson is doing at AT i think it’s fair to say those two were having pretty poor seasons even for rookies. Sargeant can be a good driver but he’s never going to be that franchise driver. With only 20 seats on the grid I wouldn’t be surprised if Williams move off of him in 24 or max 25.
I agree with most of the points you mentioned. But delta b/w Albon and Logan is very big even on the circuits that suits william plus he is very error prone and wasn't the 1st choice to replace Latifi
I think young drivers will no longer be “young” in that you can expect more drivers to make their debut in F1 later than the standard 19-22 especially as drivers stay in the game for longer.
Yuki is definitely lucky, but he is shapping up for sure. I think him moving into a team that is a bit "nicer" would benifit him instead of having si much pressure to perform.
I’m not a max fan, I’m generally adverse to him winning but I think this video does him a disservice. He got promoted quicker than anyone & proved himself immediately- I’d say Russel in Sakhir is the closest to this. The others whilst very impressive haven’t earned the right to sit at that table with max.
Teams need rookies to perform better then the rest, because they don’t need a rookie who is slower or on pace with their teammate, because their teammate normally has experience and helps the team, whereas rookies can’t bring that level of input. So rookies need to be faster so they stay and have good value for the team. Teams are also wanting rookies to build around for the future. Sargent might be good for the likes of Andretti if he’s paired with a Riccardo or Perez maybe?
I think it is pretty harsh to say that tsunoda had disaster rookie season, he shoved few races of what he is capable of and finished on the high, plus that year gasly was just on another level
Think about that What has changed since 2020? The cost cap Crashes are more costly than ever Teams criticize drivers more because they lose money to invest in the car cause crashes count towards cost cap and they is even less testing than in 2019 or in general there has never been so little testing opportunities It has nothing to do with what you said Lewis nearly won a championship in his rookie year Fernando won a race in his second season Kimi was on the podium in his second season and won in season 3 Seb won in his first complete season Same with Michael, senna won in season 2 etc But drivers like mick, Yuki, Oscar, Logan and so on have to find the limit without overstepping it Best example Perez You see when he crashes in fp which isn’t even that important he gets criticized Ofc he is established but since when does fp matter ?😂 Max crashed so many times in 2015-2019 in quali , races, fp sessions and it helped him turn into one of the all time greats But guys like Oscar and Logan don’t even have that chance Oscar is hyped because he doesn’t crash wtf Marko once said (in 2018) that he rather has a quick driver that crashes often than a driver that’s clean all the time with no mistakes but slow Do with what I have said as you will but isn’t that a coincidence that rookies struggle so much in the cost cap era;) Even Oscar only scored 38% or something like that of the teams points and Lando is no prime Lewis , Michael , Max The sport is getting embarrassing and hinders young talents rise Including crashes into the cost cap will be f1 downfall and the fact that nobody picked on that as it seems is even more worrying
I think you’re delusional. There can be a conversation about crashes in the cost cap, that’s fair. But come on man! Do you really think that Oscar gets the praise he does because he doesn’t crash?! Do you even watch the sport? Maybe he gets praise because he’s able to out qualify Norris, who people consider a generational talent? Maybe it’s because he won consecutive feeder series and has a (sprint) race podium. Your logic is so incredibly flawed. Good rookies aren’t always crash prone. Also, crashes are always bad for the team (yes, even in free practice). You’re just being soft because a rookie you liked didn’t get to stay in the sport
The level most drivers are at is just higher this ERA it makes new rookies struggle since there is such a high benchmark, you have had outliers before aswell like Schumacher, Hamilton and Alonso, but they all became champions. but now you have Max, Lando, George, Charles, Albon. and many others impressing from the start showing that with time they will become good and they have. for new rookies now you can make mistakes and crash and all that, even max had a lot of crashes before so much he was called Crashstappen, but look at him now. as a Rookie you need to show glimpses of just pure pace and talent, not all the time, but in your learning F1 the teams need to see that if they keep you there, you wont turn into a Latifi that does not move forward or learn. many of these rookies i think make the mistake of allways blaming other things than themselves
Watching this video makes me sad for the state of F1 at the moment, imagine how incredible it would be if all these drivers had cars are a similar level! Imagine the racing and close championships we’d get if Russell, Verstappen, Leclerc, Albon, Piastri all had race winning cars. It would be like the golden 2010 and 2012 seasons where we had 6 top drivers fighting for wins all the time, 2010 we had 4 drivers that could win the championship in the finale… the current domination is such a big shame, and the careers of these amazing new generation drivers could get wasted in midfield cars
And it's not going to get any easier for the F1 rookies of the present and future since there's talk Mercedes are planning to place junior driver Andrea Kimi Antonelli straight into F2 after FRECA (Wolff has said they'll wait until after the FRECA season has ended before making that decision), likely to attract unrealistic expectations for other rookies. And based on his domination in Ginetta Juniors and his British F4 debut at Donington last week, expect Freddie Slater to join that category of F1 rookies.
mick being a reserve driver is probably the best for him at the moment, haas isn't best for rookies they don't have the funding to have someone who makes mistakes
While I agree some drivers will get better as they are given a chance to develop, f1 is not a place for you anymore to come and learn, it's a place where you need to perform asap. It's also fair to ask for the highest level of performance when there's only 20 people on the planet driving F1 cars. They get paid millions to do so, with exception of paid drivers of course.
Marketing possibilities are very important Sargeant as an American at a American owned team was a good match so if he is to be replaced that is a factor but there is also influence from engine supplier Mercedes who wants a seat for Schumacher. Tsunoda survived at Red Bull because of his ties with Honda and Ferrari forced Giovinazzi and Schumacher on their client teams Alfa Romeo and Haas.
Im a max fan, but no rookie will ever be more impressive than Lewis in 2007. Against Alonso of all people, who just had won the previous two championships dethroning Schumacher. That's like a rookie coming in to Red Bull next season and beating Max. Amazing
Yeah but back then he was allowed a lot of testing time before the start of the season. As from the costcap era, teams don't have the luxury of having that much testing time or prep time to give to a rookie anymore.
If young driver doesn't win f3 and F2 back to back on first year They are not really rated that highly Winning it back to back at first attempt it the best ticket to f1 currently And you have to be in a Prema
Nope. Goes back further than that. Hamilton waltzing into a championship capable car in his rookie year, with more than a season's worth of kms in testing under his belt, broke rookie experiences forever. From that moment expectations were just too damn high.
I actually feel bad for Nyck as well, he was in a lot of heat in his rookie year in f1 more so than others was also because of the expectations of him people thought he would be #1 driver of Alpha Tauri from the get go. This is not a crazy idea as well because in his racing portofolio he won the f2 (even if it was not that talented of a grid) and f E championship.
I feel bad a bit too. But I think he knew what he was getting into. I don’t think AT was his only F1 option. I’m pretty sure that William reached out to him too (i know that because of rumours, his Monza performance and the fact they chose Logan). He chose AT knowing what they expected from him, which was Monza 2022 level performance right out of the box. And in the end, as much as it sucks for him, he didn’t hold up his end of the bargain. Now Lawson is keeping up with Yuki despite coming in mid season and being younger
What about all the driver´s rookie-season? Some were very strong as well. We can take a look at all drivers: Top rookie season: Verstappen, Leclerc, Hamilton, Norris Good rookie season: Sainz, Russell, Gasly, Ocon, (Piastri), Alonso (?; I can´t really rate his rookie season as i haven´t seen it.), Magnussen Ok rookie season: Pérez, Bottas, Zhou, Hülkenberg, Ricciardo, Albon Bad rookie season: Stroll, de Vries, Tsunoda, (Sargeant) In the past there were also many strong rookie seasons like Vettel´s, Kubica´s , di Resta´s, Kovalainen´s and probably many more. There are unfortunately only 20 seats in F1 and 2 are taken by the old men and 4 by the young super stars. So there are just 14 left for the rest. I think there were drivers, which deserved another season more than Sargeant, like Sirotkin or even Mick Schumacher. If I had to decide now, I probably wouldn´t keep Sargeant for another season. He is to far behind Albon. On average 0.6 in the Qualifying, in Races a lot as well. He has 0 points and to many crashes. He has never beaten Albon. Now in Monza he is again 0.6 behind and after Monza come the tracks where he didn´t drive in his career so far, so it might get even worse. And about Tsunoda: I doubt he developed that much, we will now see a comparison with Lawson (who was just 0.1 behind in Monza Qualifying) and maybe at the end of the season with Ricciardo. For your information: I watch F1 since mid 2011 and rewatched some seaons like 2007 and the Highlights of 2010. Of course some drivers had it easier thanks to a lot of testing (Hamilton, probably Alonso, Piastri).
It is almost impossible to get drivers with Leclerc's, Russell's or Norris' talent. They are drivers that with championship cars can easily win championships. They are the few drivers that can be compared to world class drivers like Max, Lewis, Fernando, or Sebastian (drivers who were in the grid these last few years).
I'd say Piastri will be the only rookie for the next few years who will be compared to them. The other rookies or drivers in f2 and f3 do not have the talent he has.
it's a double edge sword, for one side, drivers need room to growth, some more than others, not every great driver have an crazy start like max, but given the time, it pays, you mentioned yuki, but sainz imo is another case, recenlty in monza he prove to be on par on an inferior car than max and consistently beated leclerc the whole weekend. for the other side, this is F1, you expect the top of the top in this catefory of motor sport, as cruel as it sounds, this sport is not made for everyone, even if you have your whole life driving.
I'm starting to think that Aldas first makes a video about a driver where he makes a bad take on purpose just to then post another video where he's debunking his own take
Isn't Logan actually quite improving in the second half of the season? Granted that he crashed twice in zandvoort, and only reached Q2 in Monza I actually think the he can be a lot closer to Albon by the end of the year.
People are begin too lenient with bad drivers recently. There's still those who want Mick and Gio back. And if not for Alonso people would still be crafting excuses for Stroll.
They still are. I am surprised how no one speaks about Stroll and his performance. I mean all year they dodge this subject by every reporter. It's like they are afraid of saying Stroll is dog shit.
@@ShaDowF17 Trust me, online we have been dogging on stroll since 2021. Even at Aston's worst, Seb landed 2 P2's and put in some miracle recovery drives against faster cars even when given the worse strategy. Meanwhile, Stroll drowned save for...1 qualifying session where everyone suddenly rallied behind him...? Lmao...
Even it has been always pretty quick to see who is gonna be best driver on team or whole F1. Even Räikkonen was his best on McLaren but car was unstable and some mistakes took the win. He got into F1 without that much experience but the skill was there. It is on the end just based on luck, skill and timing. This point F1 is anyway just shadow from what it was. The competition and everything been gone like so many years. Even to this point Alonso has chance to get to top 3 on points after like Kimi did on Lotus. It sure has been long time that especially Red Bull and Mercedes ruling the F1. Ferrari being there just short time and then again dropped middle of the season.
I think we should be harsh even on rookie drivers. If you look at the current grid, only 1 driver (tsunoda) had a bad rookie season so most of the time if these drivers dont impress on their rookie season they arent gonna last very long anyway
The other problem that Logan (and to some extent, Nyck) faced this 2023 is just how close everyone is. A few years ago, a 0.300 sec gap might keep you only 1 or 2 places behind your teammate. Now that same gap can mean you start 5 places behind. Between time and position, people are going to remember your position relative to your teammate more. Starting 5 places behind sounds a lot harsher than being outqualified by 3 tenths of a second.
I had the same thought, but couldn't put it into words.
Although if Logan started to have cleaner laps and have less mistakes like Oscar piastri he would be quite fast with the Williams upgrades 🏎️ especially with what we have seen with Oscar
@@Woz_37That's a fair assessment. I think we'd be judging Logan a lot less this year if only he kept his nose a lot cleaner.
He doesn't even need to be super rapid. Zhou proved last year that all you really needed to do in your rookie year is to keep your nose clean.
@@bonelesswatermelon420 Zhou has been really impressing me. I think Aston Martin should really be considering him as a good no.2 for Alonso, where he can learn from him and then develop into the team leader once Alonso retires. I know it would be very sad for Lawrence to drop his son, but if they want to win championships, in the modern age, you need two high quality drivers (or just Max Verstappen).
@@Woz_37it's amazing, albon would not be getting all this hype he's getting now if he was teammates with piastri right now, there'd be saying he can't even beat a rookie. Amazing how a subpar teammate boost your standing.
Piastri surprised me the most. He went head to head against Norris in Italy and even touched him, getting out his elbows.
Piastri is a champion in the making no doubt about it.
Why were you surprised? Those of us who'd watched him through junior categories weren't.
@@walover165 Because any British commentary always thinks Lando will be the next Max. I think Oscar has much more potential for a future multiple-time WDC than Lando.
@@Arsenic71 so true, too much british bias, piastri is the only driver i can see beating max
@@kylehocking420 same
I don’t understand you piastri is 22 Norris at 18 beat sainz head to head. In addition to this Norris has almost double piastris points.
Max had only half a season in F3 after his cart when he got the contract with RB, within 3 weeks after signing he got an invitation for joining F1. So on his 16th he was a F1 driver, doing his first F1 race when he was 17, first points when 17 and first win when he was 18.
I don’t think there is someone even close to that.
There isn't now but there once was: Kimi.
@@4Leka glad someone else remembers how short kimi his junior career was and how impressive he was in his first f1 race
It also will never happen again with the 18 year age cap.
Indeed, there isn't someone close to having a father with that level of connections with top F1 teams to pull this out, as long as nurturing him (with even questionable methods some would say) from a very young age to become an F1 driver. Leclerc won the F3 and F2 by storm as a rookie, pulling out one of the most impressive races in Bahrain by pitting in a sprint race and winning, he easily outperformed a 4-times world champion (who, exactly a year before was fighting for the championship, so he wasn't washed out) as a rookie in Ferrari, but you see, he had to fight it alone to get through the ranks.
@@4Leka doesn’t show in the stats.
This generation of drivers is simply insanely good. Russel, Albon, Norris, Max and Leclerc are all solid drivers. Being an F2 champion just doesn't cut it anymore. Drugovich, Mick, De Vries, Vandoorne and Palmer were all F2 champions (Grosjean and Maldonado also lol). Piastri dominated F3 and F2 and just look at how solid he is. F1 is simply stacked with talent right now. You need that level and be able to score points, or you bring cash like Zhou, Sargeant, Mazepin or Stroll.
Make a video on Kimi Antonelli. He just got announced by Mercedes that he will go straights from F4 to F2. To be fair he obsoletely destroyed everyone 13 wins 14 pole 14 fastest laps. So many overtakes and his ability in the wet. They are defiantly lining him up to replace Lewis
antonelli is a damn god talent, but unless fernando retires next year or albon gets a better seat i really dont see him being able to be direct replacement for hamilton. mercedes will most likely want to place him in a seat at a lower team for a year at the very minimum (like they did with ocon and russell), and with mclaren being mclaren and aston having their honda deal for 2026, williams might very well be their only option, meaning williams would have to have a driver on a 1 year contract (assuming kimi does well in f2 next year). i wont be surprised to see him in a mercedes, i just think we may be 3 to 5 years away from that as things stand rn
I find it weird he gets the straight jump up like that, drivers need to develop and gain experience through the category ladder. Climbing the categories is what really sets apart drivers in terms of experience behind the wheel. Also, i believe Antonelli is seriously overrated compared to the field in freca. I mean hes just clinging on to p1 in his second season and is almost getting beat by a rookie(Stenshorne). I gotta say im more impressed by how Martinius is driving, acknowledging hes a rookie, compared to Kimi.
Although would love to see both of them battle it out through the ranks together, as i believe they are the brightest talents coming up in the next few years.
@@sophiaemily1819 the Merc junior development chief has said if he gets super license points he will be getting promoted to F1. And it's there responsibility for him to get a seat. The will probably go all in and spend money to get him into F1
@@christofferrsnes9508 yeah but Kimi is different territory. When a driver simply has no competition and competing in 7 different championship in 1 year and still winning in every thing he is generational
You are correct that he is a very impressive driver
but you are wrong that he moved from F4 directly to F2
in 2022 he won both the Italian & ADAC F4 Championships
while in 2023 he is racing at (and leading) the Formula Regional European Championship , and he has already won the Formula Regional Middle East Championship
I wonder if it is the right decision to send him directly to F2 instead of F3 ...i think it would have been wiser to take that extra step
One issue with Nyck is he is 28, not 23. Mick should have gotten another year, but his crashes were expensive.
I disagree. Mick had 2 years and simply didn't deliver. Beating Mazepin on points really isn't really a miracle. I think Haas are much better off with KMag and the Hulk. Given that Debris was only given 10 races, Mick was lucky (and let's not forget that he brought good sponsor money, too).
@@Arsenic71 Kmag may not be crashing as much as Schumacher, but he's really showing that Mick is the faster driver
I think current grid is the best that's ever been. So many great drivers, it's really satisfying to watch them raise their game
There's this driver called Lance Stroll if you've ever heard of him. He also qualified P20 today
Stroll is not on the level, no words on how bad and far of the pace in comparison with Alonso;
Tzunoda not on the level, he will never receive a RBR spot;
Botas not on the level;
Ocon performing really really bad;
Perez is also performing really really bad;
K.Mag really bad performances;
This are a hand-full of drivers that might be replaced sooner or later
The bar already arisen from Hakkinen-Schumacher era to Alonso-Hamilton-Rosberg. The bar hit a dipped again when Vettel's era began with gulf F2/GP2 champion came to F1 and failed to be competitive as they were previously in F2/GP2. They were Vandoorne, Hulk, Maldonado, Grosjean, and Palmer. The bar rise again from 2015 with some generational talented drivers came to F1 from F2. They were Max, Leclerc, Albon, Gasly, Norris, and Russell replacing they previous former F2 champions.
@@madjayax731I think the next generation is going to have Piastri for sure, Lawson in my opinion, and after that it’s anyone’s game
This season there's only 1 rookie that stands out head and shoulders above the rest and that Piastri and with Danny Ric out Lawson is showing a lot of talent even after only 2 races
After watching Monza damn Lawson really had 2 chaotic races
Piastri rookie season is brilliant so far.
He is up against one of the “golden boys” in F1, in a car that is admittedly very difficult to drive
Oscar is doing very well and is the best of the present rookies. Being with Lando will teach him a lot and give him a high bar to aim for. Oscar has weaknesses and thats why Lando is well ahead as he should be . It will take time to become as fast as Lando in the races and then do it consistently over a season. Quali performances comes first as drivers have raw speed which never changes. Knowing the tracks helps. I am sure Oscar will out qualify Lando on occasion but the races are a different matter especially to do it over a season. It must alos be factored in that Lando is only one year older and he is still improving as well.
i would go even a step further than that, rookie standard shot up drastically since 1991, which is michael schumacher, then 1996 which is Jacquez Villenueve, 2002 at the hands of Kimi Raikkonen,2007 at the hands of Lewis Hamilton, 2008 at the hand of Sebastian Vettel, 2014 by max at toro Rosso then 2016 straight up in Barcelona, then continues with what aldas mentioned.. the last 30 years, the rookie standard shot up to the point its very harsh
Wasn't Kimi's first season in 2001? He was already in Mclaren in 2002.
@@jamescleanair5471 yes and he even got his first point on his first race in melbourne 2001, on 2002 he's basically replacing mika and did well above expectation, then 2003 he won his first GP at malaysia
Let me remind you, these are supposed to be best of the best. Teams never want a downgrade, they won't change a good driver for a worse one unless they need money. Rookies will be judged harshly because that's how competitive F1 is at this time, teams (especially in midfield) can't afford a bad driver. That's millions in prize money. Look at Aston and now imagine McL or Mercedes have a shit second driver
that's also why even football clubs as well. Football right now there's no time for those progress kind of bullshit. Win from the get go is the king
Albon has quickly become my favorite driver. His rise is deserved. Hard ass work, and helping develop. Williams is not a mid field team, but with albon they are. It's awesome!
Standards for rookies in F1 have gotten pretty damn high now unless your someone like Lance Stroll and wriggle your way out of demotion.
Logan's problem isn't that he's making mistakes. It's that he's consistently 0.5-1.0 seconds slower than Albon in every session and race. And he is making mistakes on top of that.
Piastri meanwhile is beating Norris in quite a few head to head sessions recently, and Liam Lawson was only a tenth off Tsunoda this weekend in his 2nd race. Compared to these two, Sargeant is underperforming.
You can say it's harsh to drop somebody after 1 season, but what about Felipe Drugovich who won F2 and hasn't gotten a full time F1 drive yet? If you get that F1 chance and your raw speed just isn't there, then that won't magically improve. Better to let someone else have that chance instead. Get Drugovich or Alex Palou in the second Williams seat if Sargeant can't up his game
I don't understand the hype with Drugovich. He finished P9 and P8 in his first 2 years in F2. Palou might have potential but he might be another De Vries.
@@CharlPantaleonI think it helps a bit that he’s Brazilian. Brazil, more than anyone, wants a driver from their country in F1 again
Palou is a very different situation to De Vries. NDV was very lucky to win his title in Formula E, and Palou absolutely DOMINated in Indycar, a historically very competitive series@@CharlPantaleon
@@dylanschang6386 Ok, this I understand. Palou won it twice and dominated over a tough-looking field.
How about Drugovich, though? Why is he being brought up? I think even Markelov and Pourchaire were more impressive than Drugovich, but you don’t see their names being thrown in the ring.
@@big-anvil the few Brazilians that entered F1 in recent history, if I recall correctly, they weren’t up to par. Drugovich seems to be the same
Franchise driver really makes me think of Schumacher. Came in like a wrecking ball at Jordan to qualify immediately in the top ten ahead of his teammate with vastly higher experience. Was robbed of a good showing in the GP due to a clutch problem, immediately got signed by Benetton to hit the ground running and become the driver that the team would rally around. Did the same at Ferrari. Michael was truly the epitome of a franchise driver, if not among the first.
True, to this day I associate The Michael with, well first and foremost Ferrari, but also Benetton and Jordan.
We can't treat every driver like their generational talents. Drivers are still only human.
I think more of the cream of the crop coming through is only a good thing in the pinnacle of motorsport
I think part of it is with the cost cap, teams have more belief that they can develop a top car and they want to be sure they have a championship caliber driver in their car for if/when that happens
I disagree that rookies should be given more time, because the bar has been raised by other 'unicorn' talents. They are the new standard and if you can't beat/match them, you shouldn't be in F1. It's as simple as that.
I actually like this super high standard that F1 currently has, because it filters out paydrivers even harder. Just look at how badly a Lance Stroll is being exposed at the moment.
This is a really fantastically nuanced video Aldas! Love it!
Ultimately this is a matter of supply and demand. Right now there are many well established drivers with only 20 seats to fill.
But even then, for Williams, even if they were unhappy with Seargant, there isn’t any other well established driver out there unless somebody like Checo loses his seat. So, replacing him with another unproven talent, is quite risky so it does come down to whether he can take a similar progression path like Yuki to become a solid driver in year two or three.
Even before this era of drivers, Kimi with saber is another example
Who was the last driver that a team was patient with that turned out to be a top tier talent?
Hamilton, Alonso, Räikkönen and Schumacher were also rookies once, and they all impressed everyone from their 1st race.
They also came in in the era of unlimited testing, and Schumacher and Hamilton both came into decent cars - championship-capable, in Hamilton's case. Rather different than dumping a rookie in a Haas with only a few days behind him.
@@walover165Kimi also came into a decent car as well albeit what's impressive about him is how he got the seat after doing just 23 races in the junior Formula's
@@walover165 "Scumacher came into decent car"???? HOW OLD ARE YOU? Schumacher qualified a dog of a car (Jordan) in 7th in his first race, in a track he had never driven before, even for testing! Then he got into Benetton which was, literally, the 4th best car on the grid and he still won!
I think reason why Yuki is still in Alphatauri is because hes has the "franchise driver" ideal. A nice person who is relatable and is entertaining to watch. He has also grown alot since his first season. Yuki has shown great promise and growth overall. I think Redbull are in a spot with Yuki where they can get rid of him if wanted but theres no better options for them beside Yuki. I think the reason why the rookies of Albon Charles Russel Norris and Charles also Max are so popular and such great racers is because they have raced each other for years. So over the years of growth beating each other and getting faster and better and accelerated them to the top.
The F1 grid has likely never been as competitive as it is now, with almost every team having a championship-caliber driver or even two. So of course the expectations on rookies have risen, because there's so many phenomenal drivers to choose from.
I still think that the cost cap is just as big of a killer as these guys are, it was easier to give rookies more leeway when it wasnt taking money directly out of the development budget or upgrades because you suddenly have to replace a new floor or suspension because someone crashed. Doesnt matter if they become good in three years time if you cant upgrade the car properly during those three years
The cost cap reduces the pressure to pick pay drivers over talent. I’d rather this year’s rookies than another Latifi or Mazepin.
@@KeithCaptain oh absolutely but I also think the cost cap gives the teams more reason to chop and change instead of sticking with their rookies or doing what Haas did and bring in someone like Hülkenberg because its more capfriendly
I think it's also important to mention that unlucky middle generation between ur Lewis, Vettel's etc. and ur George, Max, Leclerc, Norris where u have u know in the right machinery a Ricciardo, Checo, Valterri, possibly Hulkenburg in that conversation, u know they r capable of being that championship winning driver but have either not has the car to compete for a title or when they have been, they r paired with generational talents like Max or Lewis and teams often turn to them as a cheaper option to a Verstappen or a Leclerc or a Hamilton and is easier to get out of a contract and offers a great talent and experience resulting in valuable points worth millions
The reason AT kept Tsunoda for so long is also because of AT and Hondas link, and the fact that Honda and Tsunoda are both from Japan! And now he has developed to become a pretty solid driver👌🏼
I feel that Oscar doing so well had something to do with Logan and Nyck being pressed so much as well.
i think it started before Max George Charles Lando etc with Kubica Hamilton and Seb podiums in 1 st season points almost every race this was crazy
It’s a golden age. The standard is super high!
F1 needs more teams just like back in the 90s. So more people can have a go and have time to develop
you did not include lh in the thumbnail... that one changed rookies expectations forever
I think he is only including recent rookies as in drivers who debuted after the start of the turbo hybrid era
I'm a Max fan, but it still blows my mind that 2007 Lewis rookie season against THE MAN who dethroned Schumacher and the reigning double champion Alonso and in HIS FIRST EVER START he makes that overtake, and WAS WITH THE TITLE IN HIS HANDS with 2 races to go. Amazing. That's not talked about enough. Hard for me to think of a young driver being more impressive than that.
@@icarooliveira3856I was more of an Alonso Fan but yeah... if you really like the sport you have to give it to LH, that was insane
My only concern is we’re headed to a future when most teams on have 1 seat available and some have non at all merc McLaren alpine maybe have there seats basically filled for 5+ years and the rest have 1 filled and the other will never be challenged red bull Ferrari Williams Aston
Oscar is now going to be in this group
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things also No Carlo Sainz No Party 🎉🥳🎉
It does feel like unless you win F2 as a rookie it’s not enough for a big team to care (and even then they might struggle to get you a seat somewhere)
Completely agree with ya!
I think that the likes of Max, George, Lando and Charles are so talented and so exceptional they’ve set the bar high for the new rookies and the likes of Mick Schumacher, Nick de Vries and now potentially Sargent have fell victim to that. They’re not been given a fair chance.
Hopefully things change but money talks n points turn into cash for the teams which they all need to carry on competing, developing and thrive
George, Alex and Lando all came in to f1 together but Lando is nearly 2 years younger than George and nearly 3 years younger than Alex. He drove several f1 FP1 sessions the second half of 2018. They need a season to be a rookie, make mistakes, learn and improve. Your point about the car is extremely valid, but comparing Logan to someone much older with experience in several cars and in car development (his between year) seems a bit unfair. I get it, it’s competitive and I should be.
Piastri and Lawson might have something to say about this.
And now we’ve got pastri rising like crazy. The bar is just getting higher and higher
With F1 drivers in general being given less and less time actually spent in the car driving it, it puts more focus on the rookies being good right out of the box because they don't have any time to practice and put in work behind the wheel to improve.
Back in the day drivers would spend hundreds if not thousands of extra hours testing and driving the car outside of races, and teams aren't allowed to do that anymore which only increases the pressure on incoming drivers to perform.
There is two types of rookies: there’s what I have heard called the blue rookie who is someone who takes time to develop and doesn’t push the limits of the car right away, meanwhile the red rookie is a person that gets into the car and often climbs over the limit and then spins or crashes more often than the blue neither is necessarily better than the other but red rookies seem to find more success earlier than the blue ones
Max is actually both: he was a red rookie in 2015-mid 2018, very fast but very crash prone because he had to outdrive his car. Then he became blue rookie from mid 2018 when he polished his driving style and settled into team leader role
@@aslamnurfikri7640 I would class him as a red driver and checo as a blue driver
Because the blue rookie is never testing the limits of the car even if they’re bringing it home in one piece. The red rookie finds the limit consistently and gets comfortable driving on it after a few errors (lessons) on where it’s at
It's a really interesting discussion and something I've thought about a lot this season as I've got into F2 and F3. When you watch the races you can see why the points tally doesn't tell the whole story, there is so much luck involved, look at Vesti in the last few races. But F1 teams are looking for drivers that are going into F2 as rookies and showing they can win, because that seems to be the best gauge of raw talent. Obviously that's not always true if you look at Albon, and Zhou to an extent. Lawson had basically the same points as Sergeant in F2, but Sargeant was a rookie, which is why Williams were impressed with him. I think he should get another season
It's not only the drivers (maybe it's an exceptional group that's to be debatable) but what is different from now then couple of years is the test days. Teams are not allowed to test their car much anymore, they are so strict with time they can let guys drive the cars. So they will be dropped without much preparation in a car and then it's a normal seat so you should perform. What I mean to say, before they had test days this total is getting lower by the year. The FIA is breaking it for guys to develop themselves before getting a seat. For the rest we now have the SIM what also the now compare to other years.
F1 should bring back unlimited testing. Stay within cost cap test all you want
Liam Lawson said it well. You only get a very short window for the chance to be an F1 driver.
I mean there is so much talent waiting for a seat that if you are under performing people tend to assume there is someone who does it better - Sargeant also doesn't have the standout junior formula success that others have
Why i reckon Oscar will excel; his dry wit and personality goes against the loudness of Lando. He has a sense of humour but it's quite tactile for an F1 driver.
It was hard to come in and compare Piastri to de vries and Sargeant due to the car difference between them. However with what Lawson is doing at AT i think it’s fair to say those two were having pretty poor seasons even for rookies. Sargeant can be a good driver but he’s never going to be that franchise driver. With only 20 seats on the grid I wouldn’t be surprised if Williams move off of him in 24 or max 25.
This is the man that needs to replace Helmut
U forgot to mention rookie called Fernando Alonso
Yuki has strong Honda backing that that's another factor in his being retained at Alpha Tauri.
More money in the sport generally means more pressure and less time to learn and grow
I agree with most of the points you mentioned. But delta b/w Albon and Logan is very big even on the circuits that suits william plus he is very error prone and wasn't the 1st choice to replace Latifi
I think young drivers will no longer be “young” in that you can expect more drivers to make their debut in F1 later than the standard 19-22 especially as drivers stay in the game for longer.
We might currently have one of the strongest grids in the history of f1
Kimi Raikkonen is the original rookie that change everything😎
We have Pay drivers, and also Marketing drivers in F1 now days
Yuki is definitely lucky, but he is shapping up for sure. I think him moving into a team that is a bit "nicer" would benifit him instead of having si much pressure to perform.
Another great vieo... Love it...
I’m not a max fan, I’m generally adverse to him winning but I think this video does him a disservice. He got promoted quicker than anyone & proved himself immediately- I’d say Russel in Sakhir is the closest to this. The others whilst very impressive haven’t earned the right to sit at that table with max.
Teams need rookies to perform better then the rest, because they don’t need a rookie who is slower or on pace with their teammate, because their teammate normally has experience and helps the team, whereas rookies can’t bring that level of input. So rookies need to be faster so they stay and have good value for the team. Teams are also wanting rookies to build around for the future. Sargent might be good for the likes of Andretti if he’s paired with a Riccardo or Perez maybe?
I think it started even earlier with Seb and Lewis
I think it is pretty harsh to say that tsunoda had disaster rookie season, he shoved few races of what he is capable of and finished on the high, plus that year gasly was just on another level
Think about that
What has changed since 2020?
The cost cap
Crashes are more costly than ever Teams criticize drivers more because they lose money to invest in the car cause crashes count towards cost cap and they is even less testing than in 2019 or in general there has never been so little testing opportunities
It has nothing to do with what you said
Lewis nearly won a championship in his rookie year
Fernando won a race in his second season Kimi was on the podium in his second season and won in season 3
Seb won in his first complete season
Same with Michael, senna won in season 2 etc
But drivers like mick, Yuki, Oscar, Logan and so on have to find the limit without overstepping it
Best example Perez
You see when he crashes in fp which isn’t even that important he gets criticized
Ofc he is established but since when does fp matter ?😂
Max crashed so many times in 2015-2019 in quali , races, fp sessions and it helped him turn into one of the all time greats
But guys like Oscar and Logan don’t even have that chance
Oscar is hyped because he doesn’t crash wtf
Marko once said (in 2018) that he rather has a quick driver that crashes often than a driver that’s clean all the time with no mistakes but slow
Do with what I have said as you will but isn’t that a coincidence that rookies struggle so much in the cost cap era;)
Even Oscar only scored 38% or something like that of the teams points and Lando is no prime Lewis , Michael , Max
The sport is getting embarrassing and hinders young talents rise
Including crashes into the cost cap will be f1 downfall and the fact that nobody picked on that as it seems is even more worrying
I think you’re delusional. There can be a conversation about crashes in the cost cap, that’s fair. But come on man! Do you really think that Oscar gets the praise he does because he doesn’t crash?! Do you even watch the sport? Maybe he gets praise because he’s able to out qualify Norris, who people consider a generational talent? Maybe it’s because he won consecutive feeder series and has a (sprint) race podium.
Your logic is so incredibly flawed. Good rookies aren’t always crash prone. Also, crashes are always bad for the team (yes, even in free practice). You’re just being soft because a rookie you liked didn’t get to stay in the sport
I think stroll should be replaced by felipe
The level most drivers are at is just higher this ERA it makes new rookies struggle since there is such a high benchmark, you have had outliers before aswell like Schumacher, Hamilton and Alonso, but they all became champions.
but now you have Max, Lando, George, Charles, Albon. and many others impressing from the start showing that with time they will become good and they have.
for new rookies now you can make mistakes and crash and all that, even max had a lot of crashes before so much he was called Crashstappen, but look at him now.
as a Rookie you need to show glimpses of just pure pace and talent, not all the time, but in your learning F1 the teams need to see that if they keep you there, you wont turn into a Latifi that does not move forward or learn.
many of these rookies i think make the mistake of allways blaming other things than themselves
Watching this video makes me sad for the state of F1 at the moment, imagine how incredible it would be if all these drivers had cars are a similar level! Imagine the racing and close championships we’d get if Russell, Verstappen, Leclerc, Albon, Piastri all had race winning cars. It would be like the golden 2010 and 2012 seasons where we had 6 top drivers fighting for wins all the time, 2010 we had 4 drivers that could win the championship in the finale… the current domination is such a big shame, and the careers of these amazing new generation drivers could get wasted in midfield cars
I have set my eyes on oscar and lawson.
Can you do a video about Kimmi Antonelli since he's in f2 next year
And it's not going to get any easier for the F1 rookies of the present and future since there's talk Mercedes are planning to place junior driver Andrea Kimi Antonelli straight into F2 after FRECA (Wolff has said they'll wait until after the FRECA season has ended before making that decision), likely to attract unrealistic expectations for other rookies. And based on his domination in Ginetta Juniors and his British F4 debut at Donington last week, expect Freddie Slater to join that category of F1 rookies.
mick being a reserve driver is probably the best for him at the moment, haas isn't best for rookies they don't have the funding to have someone who makes mistakes
While I agree some drivers will get better as they are given a chance to develop, f1 is not a place for you anymore to come and learn, it's a place where you need to perform asap. It's also fair to ask for the highest level of performance when there's only 20 people on the planet driving F1 cars. They get paid millions to do so, with exception of paid drivers of course.
Marketing possibilities are very important Sargeant as an American at a American owned team was a good match so if he is to be replaced that is a factor but there is also influence from engine supplier Mercedes who wants a seat for Schumacher. Tsunoda survived at Red Bull because of his ties with Honda and Ferrari forced Giovinazzi and Schumacher on their client teams Alfa Romeo and Haas.
Im a max fan, but no rookie will ever be more impressive than Lewis in 2007. Against Alonso of all people, who just had won the previous two championships dethroning Schumacher.
That's like a rookie coming in to Red Bull next season and beating Max. Amazing
Yeah but back then he was allowed a lot of testing time before the start of the season. As from the costcap era, teams don't have the luxury of having that much testing time or prep time to give to a rookie anymore.
If young driver doesn't win f3 and F2 back to back on first year
They are not really rated that highly
Winning it back to back at first attempt it the best ticket to f1 currently
And you have to be in a Prema
if red bull doesn't give seat to liam lawson then william should get him.
Nope. Goes back further than that. Hamilton waltzing into a championship capable car in his rookie year, with more than a season's worth of kms in testing under his belt, broke rookie experiences forever. From that moment expectations were just too damn high.
I actually feel bad for Nyck as well, he was in a lot of heat in his rookie year in f1 more so than others was also because of the expectations of him people thought he would be #1 driver of Alpha Tauri from the get go. This is not a crazy idea as well because in his racing portofolio he won the f2 (even if it was not that talented of a grid) and f E championship.
I feel bad a bit too. But I think he knew what he was getting into. I don’t think AT was his only F1 option. I’m pretty sure that William reached out to him too (i know that because of rumours, his Monza performance and the fact they chose Logan). He chose AT knowing what they expected from him, which was Monza 2022 level performance right out of the box. And in the end, as much as it sucks for him, he didn’t hold up his end of the bargain. Now Lawson is keeping up with Yuki despite coming in mid season and being younger
What about all the driver´s rookie-season? Some were very strong as well. We can take a look at all drivers:
Top rookie season: Verstappen, Leclerc, Hamilton, Norris
Good rookie season: Sainz, Russell, Gasly, Ocon, (Piastri), Alonso (?; I can´t really rate his rookie season as i haven´t seen it.), Magnussen
Ok rookie season: Pérez, Bottas, Zhou, Hülkenberg, Ricciardo, Albon
Bad rookie season: Stroll, de Vries, Tsunoda, (Sargeant)
In the past there were also many strong rookie seasons like Vettel´s, Kubica´s , di Resta´s, Kovalainen´s and probably many more.
There are unfortunately only 20 seats in F1 and 2 are taken by the old men and 4 by the young super stars. So there are just 14 left for the rest. I think there were drivers, which deserved another season more than Sargeant, like Sirotkin or even Mick Schumacher.
If I had to decide now, I probably wouldn´t keep Sargeant for another season. He is to far behind Albon. On average 0.6 in the Qualifying, in Races a lot as well. He has 0 points and to many crashes. He has never beaten Albon. Now in Monza he is again 0.6 behind and after Monza come the tracks where he didn´t drive in his career so far, so it might get even worse.
And about Tsunoda: I doubt he developed that much, we will now see a comparison with Lawson (who was just 0.1 behind in Monza Qualifying) and maybe at the end of the season with Ricciardo.
For your information: I watch F1 since mid 2011 and rewatched some seaons like 2007 and the Highlights of 2010. Of course some drivers had it easier thanks to a lot of testing (Hamilton, probably Alonso, Piastri).
It is almost impossible to get drivers with Leclerc's, Russell's or Norris' talent. They are drivers that with championship cars can easily win championships. They are the few drivers that can be compared to world class drivers like Max, Lewis, Fernando, or Sebastian (drivers who were in the grid these last few years).
I'd say Piastri will be the only rookie for the next few years who will be compared to them. The other rookies or drivers in f2 and f3 do not have the talent he has.
M. Schumacher needed one quali to prove his value.
it's a double edge sword, for one side, drivers need room to growth, some more than others, not every great driver have an crazy start like max, but given the time, it pays, you mentioned yuki, but sainz imo is another case, recenlty in monza he prove to be on par on an inferior car than max and consistently beated leclerc the whole weekend.
for the other side, this is F1, you expect the top of the top in this catefory of motor sport, as cruel as it sounds, this sport is not made for everyone, even if you have your whole life driving.
Forgot goat rookie alonso
I'm starting to think that Aldas first makes a video about a driver where he makes a bad take on purpose just to then post another video where he's debunking his own take
and to think to some of then (if not all) will not win a f1 championship cause they are not max on a red bull
Cant talk about rookies without lewis
Isn't Logan actually quite improving in the second half of the season? Granted that he crashed twice in zandvoort, and only reached Q2 in Monza I actually think the he can be a lot closer to Albon by the end of the year.
Not if the media continues to give him so much shit. Fans really underestimate how the media can shake a driver
People are begin too lenient with bad drivers recently. There's still those who want Mick and Gio back. And if not for Alonso people would still be crafting excuses for Stroll.
100% people nowadays love to defend bad drivers
They still are. I am surprised how no one speaks about Stroll and his performance. I mean all year they dodge this subject by every reporter. It's like they are afraid of saying Stroll is dog shit.
@@ShaDowF17 Money rules. That's the only reason he's in the sport too
@@ShaDowF17 Trust me, online we have been dogging on stroll since 2021. Even at Aston's worst, Seb landed 2 P2's and put in some miracle recovery drives against faster cars even when given the worse strategy. Meanwhile, Stroll drowned save for...1 qualifying session where everyone suddenly rallied behind him...? Lmao...
@@ShaDowF17 People shit on Stroll all the time. Open your eyes!
I dont think you can compare Sargeant with schumacher. Schumacher did 2 full seasons...
Schumacher also got a freebie since he got Mazepin (who didn’t even practice on a simulator while Mick did) as a teammate
Even it has been always pretty quick to see who is gonna be best driver on team or whole F1. Even Räikkonen was his best on McLaren but car was unstable and some mistakes took the win. He got into F1 without that much experience but the skill was there. It is on the end just based on luck, skill and timing. This point F1 is anyway just shadow from what it was. The competition and everything been gone like so many years. Even to this point Alonso has chance to get to top 3 on points after like Kimi did on Lotus. It sure has been long time that especially Red Bull and Mercedes ruling the F1. Ferrari being there just short time and then again dropped middle of the season.
I think we should be harsh even on rookie drivers. If you look at the current grid, only 1 driver (tsunoda) had a bad rookie season so most of the time if these drivers dont impress on their rookie season they arent gonna last very long anyway
Ollie bearman is the next great driver to come
I don’t think Logan will be going anywhere tbh. He’ll be at Williams next year
Sorry, it just drives me crazy. In 7:45 aldas says: “ there was a lot of people”. I should be: ”there were at lot of people”.
Nobody raised the rookie bar higher than Hamilton.
Also Alex Albon his rookie season was better than George and Lando
Lawson could be here soon after todays performance
8:47 “dominated by gasly in every single way” 🫢