How Good Was Piastri’s Rookie Season?
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I think Piastri’s rookie season is really impressive especially considering he spent a year on the sideline between F2 and F1
He did test a lot in between though. It's not like he didn't drive anything in all that time.
@@TheSt1092its still harder to do that than get straight into f1 from f2
@@TheSt1092testing is nothing like a full grand Prix season in 2022. Especially considering that was the first year of the new regs, and every driver on the grid apart from Sargeant also drove the whole of 2022.
@@spicykking2854while that is true driving a F2 car or a F1 car even if its a older F1 car will give a better preparation for F1
@@spicykking2854testing real formula 1 cars from 2017+ is far more valuable then an f2 season. F2 cars are so much different in how they drive. steering, braking, boost lag, lack of hybrid system ie instant power delivery and much more. There’s a reason formula 1 drivers aren’t ripping around in f2 cars on the offseason or downtime mid season.
He’s very mature for a rookie
He’s calm
He’s consistent
He’s very composed for his age and for someone who was sidelined for a year.
He makes very little mistakes not just for a rookie but compared to all current f1 drivers.
He just needs to take care of the tires, and he's good.
Otmar talking to Peter Windsor said Oscar had done well for a rookie but Lando was exceptional . Oscar needs a couple more years to see how good he is. The points tell you that. Thats an honest appraisal by someone who is not a fan .
If he gets his tyre management under control, he's gonna be McLaren number 1
@@tiagoferreira5368
Tyre management is like race craft it is a long term learning process. There is no certainty that "IF" will ever happen and if it does to what level. Will it be at Landos level?
We are all guessing.
@bjs7442 this. Tire management while keeping blistering pace is very hard to have.
Horner said his only regret was not signing Piastri. Says everything really 🤷♂️
where or when did he say that?
imagine verstappen winning every race with piastri p2
@yurilopes420 the 2nd RB driver we didn't know we needed
@@F43374Drive to Survive S5:EP5
“There was an opportunity for Red Bull to look at him at the time and we didn't take up that option, which is something that I regret.” Beyond the Grid F1 Podcast, 2022
People need to remember that Norris was always prioritised in terms of upgrades so the points aren’t necessarily indicative of raw performance
Yep, his car didn't have the upgrades for a few races
It’s fair to take into account that Oscar had 2 or 3 races without the main upgrades that made that car fast.
And if you factor in he then has to learn how the car works with them while Lando has had that experience with them it's a large disadvantage
@@JDavey You are downplaying Oscars or any F1 drivers ability to say that having an upgrade one race later is going to give them a large disadvantage. Within the first FP1 a top driver is up to speed.
Champion mentality as a rookie, he will go places
Piastri's rookie season is well and truly ahead of Norris. As you said Lando was up against a driver who was also in his first year at the team but not only that Sainz was only rated a good driver, he has never had the sort of hype about him that Lando gets. After the two years with Ricciardo, Lando's status as number 1 in the team is second only to Max. Consider also how many times Oscar was told to let Lando past. Yes, in many of those cases Lando was quicker which raises the question, why was he behind Oscar in the first place? Often because Lando made a mistake where Oscar didn't. Oscar is already showing improvement in his racing and tyre management. The final race is a great example. Once again Oscar was ahead and let Lando through and Lando immediately went in to tyre management mode leaving Oscar to try and hold off Russell. Lando didn't even pretend to pressure Leclerc for second place.
@@liverpoolred2603 Oscar may not have been told but he clearly let Lando through. That wasn't a genuine overtake. But my point is Lando settled in behind Leclerc leaving Oscar to try and defend against Russell.
@@JMRopeIt clearly was. Norris was much faster. It doesn't make a difference whether Piastri was told to let him through or was just overtaken - Norris has always been the faster driver when he has been let through
Seriously good analysis!! Agree with every word.
@@djcopie Nope. He’s almost entirely wrong 😂
A similar situation happened in today's race (2024 ausgp) where oscar was told to let lando through but Lando didn't make much inroads into charles in second place. Not sure if I'm missing something, but I would've liked to see Oscar get a podium in his home race.
It’s tricky because he’s had a better car at times than a rookie has had in a long while, and he’s not outperformed his teammate like others did but he had one of the toughest a rookie has had. But he has been very impressive, proved McLaren made the right call (not because Ricciardo is bad, just wasn’t the right fit) and I’m really interested to see how he can step up next year.
Hamilton’s is entirely a different league [EDIT] and will just never be comparable to how rookies join now. Russell didn’t get to jump into the Merc in 2019 with a ton of testing for example. Not that what Hamilton achieved as a rookie isn’t still phenomenal of course, as it is regardless of how many advantages you might consider him to have had
Ricciardo isnt bad but def isnt good and Max will do everything to ruin him in RBR if he gets the seat. As if Max isnt the favorite there, remember Max still had a grudge at checo over Monaco quali in Brazil 2022, Max was already WDC< yet wont conciede position. Are we not gonna have another Baku despite team orders?
You can't compare today's rookies to yesteryear's. All testing on today's cars outside of official testing banned, short testing, short free practice. Lewis had it easy in comparison
While you have a point about the cars, I think a high caliber rookie like Piastri is still noticeable even in a bad car. Look no further than George Russell a few years back. That Williams was going nowhere but Russell still fought tooth and nail, often dragging it into Q3 and earning himself a nickname for it.
@@martinavery3979easy in terms of preparation but in terms of caliber of teammate I think he’s had i harder and stacked up better
I would also give Alonso/Kimi a shoutout as well. They were incredible in 2001.
Piastri impressed me a lot. Not only did he keep up pretty much with Norris and when he got the chance to win the sprint race, he took it! If he matures a bit more and builds a team around him that gives him the right car, then he'll have a chance to become a champion no doubt. That's what people forget. You need the full package of driver, car and team. That's what is why Max is so impressive right now. Being fast is one thing but he built RedBull around him and motivated Newey to stay in F1.
Best rookie season to me is Verstappen's considering his age and experience and the car he was driving. To me Piastri is the biggest challenger of all drivers for Verstappen in the future. Especially considering how consistent and aggressive he was in F3. Two more seasons and he will be one of the top drivers.
If your looking at the documentary how Verstappen became a world champion, you can see how Verstappen also got to understand how to become that champion. Verstappen is not the 17 year anymore he was once (and he is open he will not drive till his 40's). Think the likes of the others (Norris, Leclerc and Russell) think Piastri can be the Verstappen to Hamilton (dethrone the king)...just like with Verstappen you can see it's a story written in front of us. Next season will be very interesting to see if he can indeed work on his tire wear and beat Norris (he just need to beat his teammate it doesn't matter how good or awefull the car is)
You're daft
To me, Verstappen was way too error prone and hot headed. Two things Piastri seems to be better at for a rookie.
That is why I said "considering his age and experience". Oscar was about three years older than Max in his first year and in that age range three years is a lot. But for sure his calm and calculated way of driving is why I recon Oscar will be one of the greats.@@StockAL3Xj
@@StockAL3Xjwhile true, has not shown the impressive pace/tire management combo.
Remember Lando was an update ahead for several races, I don't think that happened in the Lando-Carlos matchup
Lando was much younger than Oscar as a rookie and had more reliability issues in races . One in particular he was running in 5th place with just a few laps of the race to go. However he out qualified Sainz . It was still a very strong rookie year.
I think Oscar is actually already near the peak of his pace especially over one lap. He has proven that he has immediate adaptability by winning 3 junior titles in 3 rookie seasons.
I'd disagree, the tyres significantly affect your single lap pace and they are very tricky in f1, far different from most of the other FIA formula tyres, even after f2 changed to the same rims and such as f1
He has a pretty aggressive driving style which is good generally, but given how sensitive and fragile the Pirelli's are it's a detriment, so learning to drive smoother and just getting more and more acclimated to f1 will improve his pace, tyre management and race craft, it happens with any every Rookie, regardless of how talented and dominant they were in junior formulas
@@papasauce234I agree that tyre management affects lap time, but if his issues with tyre management come from his aggressive style, then maybe smoothing it out will lose him some lap time, too. So we can't really know for sure.
@@papasauce234His tyre management only effects his race pace. He's already close to his ceiling in terms of one lap pace
I think there merit to this comment but 2024 will be a good indicator
All drivers are at the peak of their pace when they
join F1. Thats why a fast rookie driver will do very well in qualifying. If as you say "actually already near the peak of his pace especially over one lap"
Just remember that Lando over the season outperformed Oscar in qualifying as well as the races.
You also say , "He has proven that he has immediate adaptability by winning 3 junior titles in 3 rookie seasons." Sorry he took two years to win the Renault Eurocup coming 8th the first year. He won two titles as a rookie. Oscar had a very good junior career obviously.
Oscar has had an exllent rookie season . I think he will end up being the kind of driver Kimi Raikkonen could have been had he applied himself slightly better in his first F1 spell. I think his awesome Silverstone performance and the way the fans seemed to accept him after that helped Oscar gain confdence and come out of shell in the 2nd half of the season.
you couldnt really expect him to beat lando, but even tough it'been a year of not racing he still managed to stay close to lando, and deliver good points for mclaren when needed.
His rookie season was outstanding. Today’s F1 drivers have virtually no testing in the current cars. That is brutal for rookies. It used to be that teams could do unlimited testing of their cars, which would be great for a rookie, but that was banned long ago. Now it is just a few preseason and post season test days with the current car and filming days which are NOT on race spec tires.
I think it’s unfair to compare the point tallies between Oscar and Norris. Lando was also a race ahead in upgrades, and granted, maximised the opportunities he had to achieve more points. A good comparison in terms of % constructor points scored, would also be to compare to Daniel last year. Which Oscar is far beyond that.
Piastri's rookie season was definitely one of the best in recent times but was definitely a level under some of the last generation rookie seasons - Kimi, lewis, max and villeneuve.
Oscar Piastri looks a lot like the early years of Kimi Raikkonen in Mclaren. He will quickly learn and shine like Kimi quickly adapted to the Mclaren. I hope he has more luck than Kimi had though.
I think one of his best attributes is his calm demeanor. He has a championship level head and that's big time. it means in stressful situations he's going to typically have an advantage over his opponents. Once he gets his race pace down watch out...
He has unconsciously become my favorite driver when I never had one since I started watching 2 years ago.
His personality is just too boring... he doesn't even have the dry personality of kimi which made him funny and endearing... piastri is just bland
@@barobaro1 He's a driver, not a comedian. His job is to entertain people when he's on track, not off of it, and he's been doing a damn good job so far.
@@whyareyoureadingmynickname8158 yeah but other drivers have entertaining personalities and they're great drivers... you can be both at the same time... piastri kinda reminds me off your generic Nascar driver tbh... I really hope he doesn't become a champion 😭
@@barobaro1 and this is exactly why I do like him. He's not trying to be a clown and that's what makes him way more likeable
@@barobaro1 Just because someone is calm doesn't mean he doesn't have an entertaining personality. And it's just mean to wish for someone not being able to win because you don't like his personality. After all it's about who is the best driver not the best entertainer Oscar is a great guy and a great driver.
The up and coming drivers in the lower formula is really exciting. Antonelli has won two championship every full year of his single seater career. German F4, Italian F4, Middle eastern FR, and then European FR. If he wins F2 in 2024 he is in his own league of drivers.
Those championships aren't World Championships - unlike Piastri's.
And we're yet to see Antonelli in F2. Maybe we can judge him better against Piastri at the end of 2024.
@@djcopie Only F1 and Formula E are regarded as single seater world championships. The greatest junior record of any driver that competed at all levels is in fact Lando Norris who won Five back to back championships as a rookie only beaten by one driver in F2 George Russell. Oscar won two back to back championships as a rookie. The F2 grid when Lando competed had multiple future F1 drivers in it. That still makes Oscar an exceptional driver but there is a lot of hype around his junior career. He is now in f1 and doing well but cant consistently get on terms with Lando and we are now in the second year.
People saying that Oscar’s season is overrated do not know wheel.
He had a great season, especially considering these are longer races, in faster cars, pulling higher g’s, and against better drivers than he has ever raced, and he managed a few podiums, a Sprint win, and a very good result against one of F1 best drivers presently.
This isn’t to say that he is perfect. He has room to improve, which is scary!
Piastri impreseed me so much this year man. That guy has a bright future. I will def. Be following his career. Really enjoy his chilled out demeanor.
sometimes in the race, i forgot he was a rookie. he delivered in the race like he was there for at least 3 years
When you account for a poor car in the early season and several incidents caused by other drivers that affected Oscar’s race results he really did do very well.
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While not Grand Prix conditions, he did cross the 🏁 in P1 before Lando. In his rookie year even...
Most impressive rookie season for me (of the current drivers), are the ones of Alonso and Verstappen. Don’t forget that Alonso did things with that Minardi that the car should not be capable of. On the other hand Verstappen only had 1 year of single seater experience when he joined F1 (2014 GP3 season). In comparison, Piastri, Leclerc and Russell had already much more experience in single seaters. That for me makes Verstappens rookie season really stand out next to Alonso’s
Out of curiosity, have you not included Hamilton because he’s obviously had the best rookie season so need to include him in these discussions? Or…
Hamilton had the best rookie season by far
@@tez7992Hamilton had a great rookie year indeed. However, you need to account for the context. First of all, he did a whole season worth of F1 testing prior to the start. Getting a head start in knowing the Bridgestone tyres (which were new for Alonso as he was used to Michelins). Secondly he was heavily favored by Ron Dennis. So in all fairness, his rookie season was great, but for me not as impressive as the ones of Alonso and Verstappen. Hamilton makes a nice 3rd on my list behind those 2
@@basdollevoet2824that's a balanced viewpoint. Agree with most of it except for the favoritism. Yes Lewis was British but they brought in Alonso to win titles and was paid big. I do feel Hungary was initiated by Lewis though but in honestly to alphas fighting for top spot was always going to cause issues. Lewis's relentless speed caused problems for the whole team. Its why internally it turned so toxic. They couldn't decide what to do with them. Could have been even worse if Alonso stayed on for 2008 😂
@@Crukren89 I agree with you that it was due to Hamiltons speed that caused the problems to emerge. However it was, at least for me, very obvious that Hamilton had the support of the team and also that Alonso’s days were counted. In my view that does not take away anything from Hamiltons impressive rookie season by the way. Because that is still a fact.
What you have to factor in with Oscar, is that he aws taken out so many times with lille fault of his own and always trailed Lando in upgrades to the car. If he didin't have such bad luck and would have gotten the upgrades at the same time, he would probably have scored significantly more points.
Btw never had a doubt , always hoped for this pairing, oscars tweet was added great, could have gone hay but didnt, papayas are looking forward with sone hope after some years
Piastri didn’t have the upgrades the same time Lando did either, so that has to be taken into account when looking at his points score
I think Oscar has a brilliant future in F1! He has justvto iron out some of the problems he has with tire management!
I think Piastri will be an absolute savage when/if it's about a championship. Like all the great drivers. As you said, he is doing exactly what he needs to for the moment, but I don't know what will happen within the team when they have a championship winning car. Piastri won't accept being a second driver I'm sure. Maybe they can pull a Mercedes, like with Hamilton and Rosberg.
i think its crazy how max has been driving in f1 for almost 10 years already..
Piastri is a great rookie in what has been a talent drought for the past few years.
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Honestly piastri’s sprint win gives him p2 at least - but I’m not one to put it above max. To be right behind lando in your rookie year, and have a win to your name, is no joke.
In there first 10 races (when they had comparable cars) Leclerc scored double the points of Piastri. He also outscored him in the final 5 races when Leclercs sauber was 8th fastest and Piastris Mclaren was 2nd fastest and capable of poles.
in fact piastri only scored 50 more points than leclerc.
Almost all of that can be attributed to his two podiums in Quatar and Suzuka, where Mclaren had a race winning car, and sprint races (which Leclerc didnt have) plus 2 extra races.
And he wasnt right behind lando. He finished over 100 points behind lando, who himself only managed only 10 more points than Leclerc in the 4th fastest car in his rookie season.
And piastri was always 4-5 tenths a lap slower on race pace
Call me Crazy Leclerc is first or maybe Max but Leclerc 100% the best or second and ahead of piastri recency bias between f1 fans is so influential
@@LucasMueller0418🍻
Good year and future to look forward to being an Aussie f1 fan
The funny thing about Hamilton is that he performed far worse in 2008 than 2007 and was actually really fortunate to win that WDC. 2007 would have been a much more meritocratic win.
He had impressive results for the races that I sent him a cheer on threads! For the race that I did not, he usually DNF or does poorly. 😝
Yes Lando outscored him by a fair bit, but also have to consider a lot of landos points came when he had massive upgrades when Oscar didn’t, and considering how many upgrades they had, I think the points margin is a blown out of proportion a bit
Half points gap also comes from only two bad races, so it's not like that points gap has come from lando consistently outperforming by alot.
Only twice did Oscar not have the same upgrade as Lando
@@henrywilliams8313 Lando had seven podium , 6 of which were second, in 11 races. In the second half of the season he was the second highest points scorer to Max. That is the definition of consistently outperforming by a lot!
Otmar in a recent interview with Peter Windsor said Oscar drove well for a rookie but Lando was exceptional.
@@bjs7442 I guess we can say the same thing about norris' rookie season too. He only scored half the points of sainz too and consistently outperformed him by alot,only out racing him 4 times that season. The reality is neither rookie was consistently out performed by alot. You judge driver's season not by points but by looking at how they performed each weekend and both rookies had a fair few weekends where they were on par or simply better than their teammate that weekend. So that's not called consistently outperforming by alot or being destroyed by your teammate, especially considering 2nd half of season piastri has been a match or very close on one lap pace like norris was in rookie season. I can name a few weekends where piastri was better, spa,monza(would've outqualfied and outraced him if not for unfair undercut), qatar,saudi,vegas and more where he was on par or very close. Norris too, long time ago so can't remember. Just worth noting, don't take any word otmar says about oscar seriously, both would hate each other after the fall out from last year, so ofc anything otmar says about oscar will be bias against him.
@@bjs7442 3 times, at silverstone lando had 75% upgrade, piastri 50%.
If you would take out the races he got knocked out ( not his fault, as you mentioned ) the percentage would be higher. So he did better than the 38 % of the team points. He did a really good job to say the least.
1:20 Piasco 😂😂😂
Hot take. If McLaren give him a car fighting at the front, he’ll win a WDC before Leclerc. Heck, he might retire with more WDCs than Lando and Leclerc combined.
oscar has turned out to be the best possible version of himself with only more to come.
mclaren should be and probably are thankful to have such a driver.
very composed, friendly, professional, analytical, great car feel, always self-reflecting and critical, focuses on the main tasks and problems at hand, listens to the team but also feeds them explicit data they can actually use.
on top of that he is fast and the only problem that’s holding him back from matching lando in the race regularly is his not yet normalized tyre degredation.
I think the only major thing he has left to really improve at is his race pace. We always see Norris having more pace in the race than him, tho it's not much it is enough...
But the fact that we are looking for things like that to critisize him for, just shows how good he has been this year
Lando is a much better reference for Oscar than what Carlos was for Lando.Great rookie seaon for Oscar, Mclaren made the right move.
It was a good year for the lad. A glimpse of McLaren glory days. It made F1 more fun to watch as I am not a fan of the Max show. He is a driver to watch and hope the team good and stays in front next year.
It has been very very impressive
lets face it nothing beats lewis' debut season in 2007
that's an absolute rarity and it's hard to find a rookie getting pushed into a championship-contending car and doing so well against alonso of all people
He had a pretty damn good season if you ask me. Two podiums as a rookie versus Norris' zero in his rookie season? That is more podiums to hold than MYSELF, and probably YOU. Plus, a top ten finish in a season that was completely dominated by a single driver is nothing to be critical about at all. He gets an A- from me for his first season. Give him a couple more years, he for sure will be challenging for race wins!
Love your content Aldas, but the finger click transitions do my head in 😂
I think his Kimi persona is his natural persona. It's not like he got no sense of humor either, a P1 video with Matthew Gallagher had them design their dream circuits, and at one point Oscar went like:
"This corner seems unassuming, but it actually has like 30 degrees of banking and it's flat out."
And he said it in such a chill but sarcastic way that it's comical to me, made me laugh out loud.
I think Oscar is nothing like Kimi. Kimi's clearly a simple guy and possibly on the spectrum, while Oscar is just a shy, smart and introverted guy. You don't hear Oscar yelling at his engineering or see him having a sneering distain for journalists. He's from a fairly privileged background and is a science nerd who's just very good at driving fast.
@@JC-lu4se yeah ur right, I'm just generalizing the quiet persona.
I am Dutch and a Verstappen fan but Piastri has been very good. I also like his character. Piastri is in my top 3 drivers... I really hope he does well and keeps up the performence. Its only time untill he wins a real gp.
Oscar would have been P2 at Silverstone, had KMag's engine not gone boom.💥 Such a shame...
Overall the first year was good. The focus was on putting a solid season to prove the move from Alpine was worth it, so mission accomplished.
Yes , Agree with you. I also think despite his race pace and tire management improved a bit ( compare to Lando) , It wasn't as much as i hoped . It could be down to the fact most tracks he raced in the 2nd half were the tracks he's neven been to , and whenever there were triple headers ( Brazil, US , Mexico ) , he litterally had not driven even in the factory simulator in UK. But one thing I wish to see from Mclaren is to offer a bit more help to oscar in tyre management . I've seen Will Joseph ( Lando's Race Eng ) was more vocal and providing more guidance (to change this/that button ) to Lando in his early years , which i don't see in Oscar's Radio conversations. Also, looking at the lap times, Oscar seems able to match Lando's laptimes in races, but here and there he's having 0.5 to 1s , off laps which seems the killer for him . Not sure if they were due to mistakes /lock ups but this is an area i like to see Oscar to improve..
Piastri is one of a kind after that rookie season, and ik hes going places, i always believed in him after seeing his performances in F2 and before. Im glad hes got a shot in F1, but Leclerc's 2018 season was basically out if this world
Don't forget Piastri sat out a full season before he entered F1
I have absolute confidence in Oscar's future! full stop.
You do realize Max only had one year of single seater experience dude went from Gp3 to F1 ..You ask me from an outside view Piastri doenst have that ruthlessness and knowing your the best attitude like Max or many of the other greats ..I mean in the second half of the year McLaren had a very good car a podium finisher maybe race winning car if all the right chips would of fell into place…
Max went from European F3 to F1 which was a tier below GP3 at the time.
@@berkerpeksag yeah see there ya go hell and I even undersold it.,,
@@Jrh-rp7np Haha yeah dude was a beast even when he was 17!
hes going to fight for a f1 championship one day, now the question is when
He's my favourite driver by a big margin!
About point contribution, remember that Norris had upgrades before Piastri twice the season.
And the first time Norris gained massive points.
I literally agree with everything you said
The point discussion does need a bit more context. Lando outscored Oscar by 24 points on the weekends where Lando had the upgrades and Oscar didn't, which is pretty substantial if you want to talk about the percentages.
having seen his prema content, there is definitely a conscious damper on his personality during media
His best race at Qatar was also 50°c with full pushing stints and 3 pitstops and still got a podium
You should make a video about the best rookie season EVER in Formula 1!
Piastri will surpass the LEC, NOR, RUS generation, probably will be the first to be able to challenge VER. Rookie years are difficult to compare, VER was 17 starting his rookie season and had only 1 season in a single seater before that and not even F2.
He did have a Ham rookie season, but it was still REALLY fucking good - one of the best , if not the best rookie season in recent years.
Oscar wasn’t cooking, he was *baking*
The media (and a few teams)really really needs to include a driver ability to develop and setup cars for other aspects apart from speed but speed with reliability and a balance for all tracks while also being able to make the tyres last and perform well….imo leclerc and Norris seem to have real speed but not as much of the other factors. Mika H always complimented DC with doing the initial work to make a car he could then adjust to suit him and he would struggle with getting that original starter point as he would have went with something that would be brilliant but flawed and would work one day and then hopeless the next…..
my rookie season ranking is
1. verstappen
2. piastri
3. leclerc
4. norris
but you cant predict their talent off rookie seasons because many drivers grew so well with a bad season and also many other drivers even had a good rookie season with bad growth
0:15 why does Pastry looks like he is soo done and doesn't wanna do the speech😂
I would say Oscar had a better rookie season based on, somewhat similar stats compared to teammates but Lando 2023 being way better than Carlos 2019
Piastri 2026 wdc fingers crossed 🤞❤
Verstappen debuted on the season of hamiltons 3rd world title. Piastri debuted on the same season of the same title #. Coincidence? I think not.
Stop putting Leclerc and Norris in the same category Charles is clear
Lewis his rookie season will be unmatched
Im not disappointed - a mclaren fan
Hamilton leaps and bounds the better rookie season then any one else to ever step into f1. And his competition was rediculously hard, done a 2 time world champ as a teammate in his rookie season and won MULTIPLE world grand prix’s
Speaking of great rookie seasons, I think you should make one for Hamilton's, undoubtedly the single best rookie season ever.
Out of curiosity, did the money McLaren paid Danny Ricc come out of their salary cap? If so was it for 2023 or 2022?
The sad thing is that Lando is the absolutely undeniable golden boy at Mclaren. Oscar will never be anything more than a #2 driver there. He'll be jumping ship to the next big team in 26 onward if I had to take a guess.
It certainly will be interesting to see how the dynamics in that team will function as Oscar inevitably catches up to Lando in pace. Personally I believe he has a higher ceiling than Lando
If Piastri turns out to be quicker, McLaren will change their approach. This coming year will be the make or break for Norris in my opinion. If Piastri can get on top of his tyre manangement in the race, Norris is going to have his hands full and could well be seeking an exit before his stock falls.
@@bcm70 Ye absolutely but I do think it may take more than another season for Piastri to actually catch Lando but I would say both at their ceilings are top drivers. I would also say if McLaren continue to improve, they may both stay anyway.
I just like McLarens team. They’re both calm and collected, seem like good people.
Strikes me as a jenson button
This dude is different, he has the "it" factor...He drives like he's on his Fanatec rig in the living-room... He's almost like a robot...All other drivers correct on the apex, he's almost on auto-drive through them...He's the only one on the grid that could compete with Max on the wet...
Mark Weber is the perfect match for him... If Mercedes or Ferrari are smart they should get this guy...
Let's be honest he was the second best rookie, let's not forget the rookie who came 4th in the wdc
Rookies
(2007 Hamilton)> 2015 Verstappen > 2018 Leclerc > 2023 Oscar.
I think
2015 Verstappen (all factors combined, he was the most impressive to me) > 2007 Hamilton (on paper his looks to be the clear winner, and it was incredibly impressive how he tied his 2x champion teammate, but we must remember just how much testing he had and the fact that he was straight into a title-contending car, unlike the other three) > 2023 Piastri (he had so much pressure and expectations on him, but he more than delivered and when he gets more experience in the sport, he is going to be a scary prospect) > 2018 Leclerc (he was certainly impressive right out of the gate, but he also had the weakest teammate of the four to compare to, and his highest result didn't match Verstappen's P4 in Singapore 2015 in a Toro Rosso which was roughly as quick as the 2018 Alfa Romeo)
Hamilton had in his rookie season a title contending car. But verstappen has the 8th fastest car . And Oscar in the beginning of the season personally mine go’s to Verstappen but I respect your opinion
@@Wolfywolf7so a rookie who being thrusted into a title fight and handles the pressure well is less impressive?
The same title pressure that Max said after 2021 if he had to do a season like that again it would shorten his time in f1?
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Nobody is saying that, but when Verstappen got his first chance in Spain with RB, he did it in style, what would happen if Max had the most dominant car that year...?Just doing his thing, focus on winning.
@@mushie8447 he won the race as a result of the Mercedes capitulating more than anything else and Danny Ric getting screwed over by RB
It was an amazing mature drive but there was factors behind it, honestly a race like Malaysia 2017 I rate higher than Spain 2016
Additionally 2016 Max was still very raw and wasn’t ready for primetime yet
Good rookie season.
Qualifying superb.
In racing a bit to slow.
Lets see what 2024 brings.
It was good, he done everything you can reasonably ask of a rookie and done it all exceptionally well
In terms of people thinking Oscar's personality is "boring", they just need to get to know the dry, deadpan Aussie personality, compared to Ricciardo's outgoing larrikin Aussie-ness. Oscar is hilarious and savage at times.
I will always remember the Qatar post-race after finding out George and Lewis crashed: "Ha! Wow, thank you Mercedes."
Fans votes that didnt were around in 2019? I mean you arent taking a poll as evidence or anything do you?
If I remember correctly, Norris got quite unlucky in his debut, couple dnfs from good positions?
Frankly, he's more than acquitted himself. He knows what his faults are and is a big enough man to admit it. He's also not shy of saying that he is trying to learn from Lando, particularly when it comes to managing the whole race, rather than just being fast and hoping the tyres will hold out.
It would definitely not surprise me that, given the car to do it, he one day wins the title. Of all the non-title winners on the grid, there's only a handful I can _easily_ see win it - again, given the right tools (car, engine, and as important, the right team); Lando being one of the others - George & Charles (if his luck ever turns!) being the other "most likely" ones.
There are a few it wouldn't surprise me if things were pretty much perfect for them, like Alex and Carlos, but any others would shock me. The fact that after a year Oscar is in my "more likely than not" future champ list without the need for consideration, says a lot to me about how he goes about his job. I'm very impressed.
idk abt alex. totally outclassed by max. but hes pretty good
@@MukeFunkyHe's a lot better now than he was at RB. He's matured, learned how to defend like a boss (cleanly), and given the opportunity (if the car is up for it, more than if he is), he can overtake with the best of them. He was in the RB car too early; two seasons at AT would have had him ready for the big team. IMHO only, of course.
I say this as a neutral, btw. I think there are many terrific talents on the grid. I know there are drivers who've never had the car to get them to the line first, and probably never will (poor, dear Hulk... Though his Le Mans win showed his skills in all areas), but I genuinely think they're skilled enough.
There are only a few I _don't_ think are good enough, shy of a topsy-turvy race: think Monaco '96. Panis was a _good_ driver, but never a _great_ one. And though at the time I was a genuine Damon fangirl [my last ever time as a fan; when he retired, I became a neutral]- he had Charles' luck at Monaco! - I was honestly pleased for Panis. Given what happened to him at Canada soon after, it made that victory all the sweeter. But without the rain, Damon's car eating its own engine, etc., I think he'd have ended his career winless. There are a number of drivers on the grid today much like him (that's my impression of them).
Alex, however, is not in that league, I think he's honestly in the potential race and even championship winning league. Perhaps along the lines of Button.
This is, of course, opinion and speculation, and we're all entitled to our own. In the meantime, I wish you a happy, healthy and prosperous new year!
I would put Oscar's rookie season above Norris if not Leclerc. I mean he got two Podiums which none of the others achieved in their rookie season and a Sprint Race win (something Norris has failed to do to this day) and he finished higher in the WDC-Rankings than all of them in their first season despite the grid being much more competitive in the mid- to backfield now than it was back then. Of course this is only one way to look at it because the other drivers probably had an inferior car. But I do think his season was definitely better than Norris' first season
He lost momentum in a few races at the end. His stint from silverstone to qatar was class, regained his form in last two races however. Half the points gap come from only two bad races so points gap doesn't tell the full story.
No way you guys missed out Lewis's rookie season
2025 /2026 will be Oscar at or near his peak. 2024 will be more learning and I think Lando will take him down again but the margin will be quite a bit smaller.
I think Oscar has done well and I think it will be closer in the head-to-head team-mate battle in 2024!
I would have voted Max Verstappen as having the best rookie season in the poll you conducted. I still remember Max going round the outside of Filipe Nasr at the blanchimont corner/section of Spa!