@godlike5791 he so fluid compared to others. You can kinda run him more as a quick swap unit. His burst and skill are also very satisfying and it let's you switch up your rotations a bit too.
2:00 game ain’t played on a spreadsheet. A lot of people forget that. Waiting to see how this goes for Arlecchino and all those no burst no dodge no shield teams.
it will be fun in the first couple of days when everyone try to show off their dmg , but after awhile most people will get tired of dying and having to reset many times and they will go back to play shielder with her
This will be assuming that her damage is on the same level as the other dps except neuvi Either use a shielder for your arle to survive and get a generic dps (like probably xiao level which is still really really good) Or Dont use a shielder and do godly dps while your arle is in the brink of death
Literally not a single soul is assuming that Arle no shield teams will be most used People who complain about spreadsheet warriors are much more common than the actual spreadsheet warriors.
As someone who has gotten lyney as soon as his rerun came, my argument against the artifact issues is the way his stacks work either way. You can only get up to 2 stacks without a healer so you will need a healer either way to get up to 5 stacks and it also includes the health going up and down which adds that crit rate bonus, from my experience of playing him. He is so much fun to play and he is by far my favorite dps I have. As someone who doesn't have Bennett quite yet, my team consists of lyney, xiangling, thoma, and Barbara since Barbara is my only healer at the moment.
Lyney became my favorite character of all time. Despite being designed for mono pyro teams, he got a lot of interesting teams during fontaine He will stay as least owned character category but once you understand his playstyle, he just destroys everything with style
i dont think tenacity is that easy to play with zhongli simply because of how annoying and clunky his pillar itself can be. i would much rather pick up a shard while dashing, which is something you already do to dodge/cancel animations, than worry about zhongli's pillar placement, especially against bosses. in my experience, petra is a lot more flexible and forgiving. the uptime is also not that big of an issue, especially with someone as flexible as lyney, since you can just swap to zhongli to pick up a shard you havent picked up yet, or use his burst to create a new one, which is something you cant do with tenacity. once your pillar is broken or you fail to place it, tenacity effectively becomes a dead set for the rest of the rotation. i can see why a hardcore player might miss these points.
Then again, some might say that it's clunky for them to pick up the shard and the same people will be fine with zhongli's pillar breaking. Tenacity also provides the valuable shield strength. This issue is really highlighted when the enemy does a lot of damage. Imo just change the sets according to the conditions
@@Opulent_osmium tbh the only time ive seen my zhongli's shield break is against copelia and the tulpa, and with the amount of damage they deal and the fact that they can fuck with your pillar anyway, im not sure how valuable that extra shield strength is in practice
Yeah I also prefer petra a lot more on Zhongli , i don't understand how some people find it hard to pick up the shard , it takes like 1 sec to pick it up , which is less time than Kazuha's usual field time lol And for people who may complain about its uptime , it has 10 sec duration, which is literally the exact same duration of VV Petra is Zhongli's best set in pretty much any mono element team (Lyney , Neuvillette, Arlecchino ...)
For me personally, I find Tenacity easier to manage than Petra because I'm used to geo construct positioning but I always either forget to pick up the shard with Zhongli, or end up picking the wrong shard (since enemies can have self-infused auras). Even when there are no enemies with auras, I can still miss the shard amidst everything happening on screen and spend too long looking for it. Yes, it's very much a skill issue. But I can definitely see Petra being easier for others as well. I really find it interesting how it differs from person to person, we all have different playstyles.
You have no idea… a lot of casual players would rather waste all their resin farming for a specific artifact instead of using the resin to level up their character and talents
The thing with casuals makes sense to me... Wanting strict guidelines for artifacts gives a hard line to aim for, so it's less dependent on your own personal judgement. Likewise, wanting a strict rotation to follow is easier than understanding enemy attack patterns and making intuitive decisions on how to adjust your playstyle. Skill lets you do more with less, so people with less skill need to make up the difference ┐(´ー｀)┌
casuals are more restrictive because they think they need to min max. you can't really convince them you can get away with +0 artifacts and lv 1 weapons.
it's just a brute force dual dps team 😅 switching to navia just to use her E. but its proof after you've been playing a while you can have fun and still clear
I quite enjoy that team but using Xiangling instead of Zhongli so that Navia can pick up more crystallize shards. It helps Lyney get a little bit of interruption resistance too :D
I gave him a try, and didn't feel like he was for me in those events you can pick trial characters. I think my regrets from these events are getting Neuvelette (strong, but not too fond of play style..), missing al haitham/writhsley - seem more my play style. Have Ganyu, but feel melt Ganyu's too high risk too reward. Destroys stuff when it aligns, but feels punishing geting interrupted or 1 shot in some abyss. Figure Lynley's the same
I know she came later, but I really love the team Emilie, Lyney, Bennet and Zhongli. It doesn't Max lyney's damage, but in overall damage I really love how he can perform
Any thoughts on Chiori with Lyney if you’re already taking Zhongli? I find that she makes bringing Zhongli more worth it for overall damage and you get really strong frontload. Xiangling is probably better overall but Chiori is even comfier since you don’t have to battery her.
No, with the current roster burning set doesn’t change much for burning. We have to wait to see if they are following up with a new dendro burning support or something like that
This question is less about Lyney and more about his weapon. I’m want to pull Arlecchino signature weapon and am on my 50/50. I have c2 Tighnari but haven’t built him cos I don’t have a viable weapon. So how good is Lyneys weapon on Tighnari and is it a good enough consolation prize to justify pulling on the weapon banner?
Not 100% sure, but I think it's his 2nd or 3rd best weapon (after Hunter's Path and debatably Aqua Simulacra - I think Aqua is better if you are close enough to enemies for its passive, but possibly worse if not).
5:20 Not speedrunning doesn't mean casual, you can play teams at somewhat low invest or play bad teams and reset in a chambers for 2 hours I think 2p2p is fine but when you don't kill enemies instantly, marréchaussée can pull ahead by a lot, especially if you get hit while charging your charged shot or if you start at low hp and Bennett heals you like 2 ticks before your first charged shot
You saw how 4MH is at most 7% better, and around 5-7% better assuming the absolute best uptime for it, which is already a very unrealistic assumption. The video also shows how unless everything goes absolutely perfectly, which is a very bold assumption to make for a shieldless Lyney team, 4MH can actually end up being worse. I don't know how you read all that information and reach the conclusion that 2pc2pc is only viable if you're killing enemies instantly, when it very clearly provides more consistent damage no matter how you're playing. It should be very telling to you that speedrunners, who obviously are more willing to use less reliable/RNG dependent setups for more damage, still choose to use 2pc2pc even though it's technically worse. Even the people willing to reset for hours on end to shave a few seconds don't want to use 4MH, because clearly its uptime isn't actually very good in practice, and you're not going to be fully buffed most of the time.
@@marxismpotatomaybe read my comment before replying to it, first of all, I said 2p2p is fine, second, he assumes you start at full hp and are fighting a training dummy which minimize the marréchaussée uptime. When you get one of the conditions I mentioned or even other ones like the pyro dot from 12-2-1 or even corrosion, it's basically 18% atk (3.6 rolls) vs 36 crit rate (11 rolls and it's crit) which is about 15-20% more dmg so yes, I believe that for most people, marréchaussée is better than 2p2p, it's not needed though
@@Poochyvert I read your comment in its entirety. The answer of "just get hit and then get healed" or "just start at low HP" is a very poor way of playing Lyney, because if you're playing shieldless Lyney and you get hit a few times, you are going to end up dead. A dead Lyney is not stacking MH buffs. If you aren't playing shieldless Lyney, and you're playing him with ZL, then why are you low HP in the first place? Surely you're not arguing that 4MH being good against one specific enemy type and one specific abyss debuff, both of which very sporadically appear in the abyss, means that 4MH is actually BIS. Also, his calcs show that 4MH is BETTER in theory against a training dummy. He also elaborates it's perfectly fine to use it on him, just that it's not necessary, and often you'll actually be losing DPS in PRACTICE, even including the examples you've mentioned. You can believe what you like and argue what you want, but Lyney's HP changes by himself simply do not stack all MH stacks, and he is the last character in Genshin where you should be trying to get hit on purpose, or be low HP on purpose, due to his extremely low base DEF and HP. If you're playing a shield, then the only way you'll be losing HP is by facing rifthounds, which is one specific enemy type that is usually present for one floor only, if they're in the abyss at all.
@@marxismpotato I would think speedrunners wouldn't use something that needs to ramp up because they kill it too fast. If fights end too fast it actually is weaker. technically worse but is it functionally worse in the situation. speedrunning has different rules.
Usually when Lyney gets hit or is low hp he either just straight up dies or gets staggered out of a charge atk and wastes your dmg anyway. Whilst it’s definitely possible to use that to your advantage to stack mh faster, I don’t think it’s a consistent solution at all. At best it probably helps for a few fights here and there, but like I said in the vid, are you really gonna farm months and months for that? Well it’s your choice at the end of the day
Hey, I'm aware my question is dumb, but I'm considering to get Liney and, to be clear, I don't like Bennett. My Bennett is lv 20 and I'd like to keep it that way. That said, what could be the best Bennett-less Liney teams? Would Chevreuse be good then? Like Liney, Chevreuse, Kuki and Dehya. Since there is little to no setup, Dehya's uptime would allow several CA for Liney, I'd guess. Also Kuki could allow more flexibility to when trigger an Overload and keep the pyro aura on the enemies. Also, I understand that Liney as the only Pyro would make him lose up to 40% of PyroDMG, but would a team of, like, Liney, Kazuha, Zhongli and Nahida to keep the Pyro aura from Burning, be usable in Abyss by any chance? Or should I just not pull for Liney? xD I kinda just want to use the characters I like and be able to clear content, I don't care about the BEST teams.
Would you recommend (2pc Pyro + 2pc ATK) over (2pc ATK + 2pc ATK) ? I got some lucky pieces on the crimson witch artifacts and also have Klee. I'm excited to pull for Lyney's C1! Already have him and his signature weapon. He is extremely fun to play!!!
I can’t play Lyne without shielder. Tbh I accidentally got Lyne and at the time I did not have a bow for him and was close to pity on weapon banner, a 10 pulls gave me his signature bow. Few days later I had full hunter set. Found he was not criting. Increased his crit rate, then saw your video on YT, tried to go mix set but unfortunately the stats can’t beat my hunter set. Even if I went to 67 or more crit rate my hunter set is better than mix set (ATK based set), unless I used 2 em 2 ATK or 2 ATK 2 hunter set. Still I’m not sure what set to go for. And as I can’t go without shielder then who should I go for Xiangling or kazuha??
i play on mobile + cannot aim but all the characters i like are bows so i have to force myself to get used to their playstyle and it hurts my soul. at least ganyu prepped me up for lyney because otherwise he would've stayed benched in my acc.
My personal favourite team is replacing Xiangling with C6 Chevreuse in mono-pyro. Keep Kazuha. I don't care that Chevreuse is normally designed to be a healer or to use overload, she does MAD damage with her skill and burst, and doesn't need nearly as much energy. Xiangling is always my point of stress in content and removing her made Lyney feel much better. No need to stand in melee range, no need to funnel, no need to extend your rotation to 20s for her burst if you have to do a second one, none of that.
16:25 in tournaments. Its basically neuvillette on one side and lynney on the other. Thats the best teams you could theoretically run in the recent abysses with single target on one side Xiao is up there. Navia isnt as strong in C0 or low cost tournaments
Childe is far better in AoE, while lyney is most likely better against bosses at c0r1. Childe is a more complete character, good for every scenario both aoe and St. So, I would say Childe is a better carry
@@alatuseditsLyney has way higher dmg, cieiling and even better cons as well as being at least top 5 strongest dps rn but ofc childe is easier and less niche. Not trying to hate just what I’ve seen and from experience
@@Marz333 I said c0r1. It doesn't matter if he has broken cons since the majority will never get them. And childe is just as complex to play, if not more
Well childe international required precise rotation but he's easy to play while lyney is kinda hard to play but better than childe for pure damage and easy rotation.
The value of not resetting when clearing Abyss is different from person to person. I don't only do Abyss when I still have rewards to claim. I do it for fun on different teams, and not having to reset to me is not very valuable. Therefore, for someone like me, Neuvilette is actually boring. Just because you value not resetting in Abyss, doesn't mean that everyone else does, and things being boring or not are generally subjective. It's okay to want to clear Abyss fast, never reset, and then not touch it until the next window, but conversely, it's also okay to want to have the experience of clearing Abyss be more exciting.
Neuvillette makes it less likely to reset, but the possibility is not zero. Few teams at high investment need to be played so perfectly that ruining a single rotation is going to cause you to reset your chamber. Unless you're doing something like playing Hu Tao first half of this abyss, where you absolutely cannot have Neuv falter on the second side.
i also do abyss to try out multiple teams but neuvilette is still valuable for me as i can have a guaranteed strong team on 1 side and i can have an experimental team on the other.
You can clear abyss without resetting with any top carry, that isn't neuvillette exclusive thing bruv. Only, with other carries you won't get bored out of your mind.
Lyney isn't hard to play tbh, you just need to dodge well. Compare to Arlecchino, Lyney is super easy to play. If you wanna no brain it, just Zhongli it...
So... just dodge with Arlecchino as well? You can even do it while animation canceling out of her combos to not even lose any dmg (if you can time it to enemy attacks), compared to Lyney for who it would be a bit of a waste to dodge while charging an aimed shot. Neither is really too hard to play for me now, but, at least for me personally, it took a bit more time and practice to play Lyney well than Arlecchino.
How mechanically viable is it to just use his burst/skill and just swap him out sub dps style? I actually like Lyney as a character but I'm absolutely disgusted with the Ganyu style bow charged atk gameplay.
... Sorry, but there are some oversights (and even some straight BS) in this video: *[**3:23**] MH isn't that good / Go 2pc+2pc / open your rotation with Q:* You _can_ start your rotation with his Burst _but 3 charged attacks are still needed,_ even at C1, _to cap the 5 _*_Prop Surplus stacks_*_ for his E,_ So Marechausse is _indeed_ the best set overall. *[**12:03**] His rotations* _aren't_ *flexible:* Do you want to do good AoE damage with his E? Then you need to do Charged Attacks first. With his C2 you WILL want to stay ~6s on-field, anyway - which is enough for either 3NA+Q+E or Q+3NA+E. He only loses his Marechausse crit stacks if you do something st00pid like doing 2 charged attacks, swapping out for more than 5s, then going back into Lyney for Q+E - WHICH YOU SHOULDN'T DO ANYWAY, AS HE NEEDS PROP SURPLUS STACKS AND MARECHAUSSE AND EVEN CRISPY FOCUS IF YOU HAVE HIS C2. *[**6:09**]* Lyney doesn't need Furina to max MH: he can do that in 1~2 Charged Attacks with a "fast" healer (e.g. Chevreuse with her 1s ticks)... but he STILL wants to do 2+ CAs due to Prop. Surplus. Stacks. Also: *Vape* (Reverse): DON'T, as Lyney _loses his 4th Asc. Passive without a Pyro aura_ (60%~100% DMG); *Vape* (Forward): OK, but _only Kazuha and/or Xiangling can apply more pyro_ than Furina does Hydro; [6:31] *Shielder* problems: ... C4 TANKFEY exists, so there is no such thing as choosing between "having a a shielder" and "running triple Pyro". Zhongli sucks, as he is slow and Lyney doesn't need THAT strong of a shield (again, as he stays 6~8s on-field at max per rotation and part of this period has i-frames from his Q and E). Finally, a grouper isn't needed AS LYNEY IS SINGLE TARGET AND USES A BOW WHICH HE CAN SHOOT AT THE GROUND MOST OF THE TIME ANYWAY (Yae + Chevreuse is almost too much AoE, and Yanfei fits the last slot absurdly well. Leave Bennett + Xiangling to other carries, as they use that core better FFS. _again: Lyney only needs a shield for his ~3 Charged attacks, as Q and E give enough i-frames and mobility._ Also, he already gets almost too much ATK from Chevreuse and his R1, so why the fuck are you pairing him with Bennett and playing Circle Impact?!?!?! [12:29] *Overload* "problems": ... YAE MIKO exists, so there are no problems. Fischl is for NA / Aggravate. (Yae is better than Fischl for Overload procs, as the totems can go for 3 different targets. Last slot can be Yanfei or even Xinyan - no need for Bennett.);
Since his release he’s been my strongest pyro character, tbh his mono pyro team w zhongli Bennett kazuha is insane even if u dk what you’re doing it’s fast. U barely even have to charge atk if u don’t wanna lol
14:20 vaping HIS attacks? Why would you do that. His kit allows him to practically vape with a pyro aura and it vapes every attack cuz its not actually vape. Instead by having your furina vape. Your lynney doesnt take a damage hit and your furina damage shoots way up
I dont understand why you say: This team (furina vape) is good, but you have to use a specific rotation And then say: This team (overload) sheets as the highest, but it's bad because you have to use a specific rotation. These are pretty conflicting ideas, why wouldnt people who want the highest output have a problem following a specific rotation to get that dps?
I don’t think I said that for the overload team? iirc I say it’s underwhelming dmg wise and scuffed for a bunch of different reasons. Whereas vape is actually strong but does have playstyle difficulties and more limitations compared to mono 🤔
@@jamiekb9vWhile I do not have him, I don't think it would be harder then something like Klee or Yoimiya shieldless as an example. Hell, just cleared just to make sure I wasn't talking out of my rear for this and...yeah, wasn't hard at all. Consecrated Beasts on the other hand, if they were in this Abyss, I could see a point being made.
@@Rpground klee is much easier to play without shields than lyney. We also know this is true for casual players since klee's highest usage teams are usually the same as the speedrun teams like klee bennett kazuha furina and klee bennett kazuha xiangling before. whereas as discussed in the video lyneys most used teams usually have zhongli.
@@jamiekb9v I don't know how since since Klee has shorter range, less i-frames both from burst and her model and gets one shot in this Abyss. The sample sizes aren't really indicative of anything with Lyney being at more then 3x the usage rate then Klee... Stats also say that before you even get to Lyney on the first half it's just the same Kleerina team for him... Now your "Try playing him on the top half of this abyss" makes even less sense because everyone's playing him on the bottom half and Klee on top.
Lyney got everything i hate on a character. A Little boy wearing stripper's short shorts. A Pyro unit who is highly dependent on kazu beny. A bow- charge shot user. . He's got all 3 pairs of the worst attributes. I don't care even If he does 10M dmg per shot, he will always be garbage tier.
Then this video wasn't targeted at you, close it and move on. There is no point in spreading unnecessary hate for a character, even if you don't like them.
Lyney has been shown to be on par with hu Tao even in his worst situations it depends what playstyle you prefer (both take skill to max dps) you can say he’s more niche but why wouldn’t you play him in his best team and he’ll obliterate most content that’s doesn’t have pyro shield/immune enemies
C0 supports u mean 4* or 5* stars? Cause c0 hutao xiayun furina yelan is way stronger than c0 lyney xiangling kazuha bennet but she's way harder to play with the plunge combos so u might just go for lyney for comfy and easier gameplay while still having a great dps (hutao main here)
Bro I love my Lyney The hard part is finding the good artifacts 🥲 Edit: it's not about the set. I genuinely don't have any good artifacts or resin at all
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jstern still recommends 4 piece marauchausee
Lyney has slowly become one of my fav characters to use. He's just so satisfying to use for me. Prob my go to for domains currently
Same, i used to hate bow characters, but Lyney is really cool
@godlike5791 he so fluid compared to others. You can kinda run him more as a quick swap unit. His burst and skill are also very satisfying and it let's you switch up your rotations a bit too.
2:00 game ain’t played on a spreadsheet. A lot of people forget that. Waiting to see how this goes for Arlecchino and all those no burst no dodge no shield teams.
it will be fun in the first couple of days when everyone try to show off their dmg , but after awhile most people will get tired of dying and having to reset many times and they will go back to play shielder with her
This will be assuming that her damage is on the same level as the other dps except neuvi
Either use a shielder for your arle to survive and get a generic dps (like probably xiao level which is still really really good)
Or
Dont use a shielder and do godly dps while your arle is in the brink of death
Literally not a single soul is assuming that Arle no shield teams will be most used
People who complain about spreadsheet warriors are much more common than the actual spreadsheet warriors.
As someone who has gotten lyney as soon as his rerun came, my argument against the artifact issues is the way his stacks work either way. You can only get up to 2 stacks without a healer so you will need a healer either way to get up to 5 stacks and it also includes the health going up and down which adds that crit rate bonus, from my experience of playing him. He is so much fun to play and he is by far my favorite dps I have. As someone who doesn't have Bennett quite yet, my team consists of lyney, xiangling, thoma, and Barbara since Barbara is my only healer at the moment.
Jamie bro, you did NOT have to cook the casuals that hard.
Lyney is what yoimiya should have been, it doesn't make sense for a fireworks seller to be single target
yeah my local firework seller is aoe, yoimiya must've forgot something
@@vcqrrr in fact, in his E skill desc, its also written "unleashing a firework surprise". Does that mean he stole Yoimiya's aoe fireworks?
Lyney became my favorite character of all time.
Despite being designed for mono pyro teams, he got a lot of interesting teams during fontaine
He will stay as least owned character category but once you understand his playstyle, he just destroys everything with style
“To play Lyney, you need to be prepared to reset”
*laughs in Eula main*
Great content as usual, thanks for covering Lyney well, J!
Glad you enjoyed!
i dont think tenacity is that easy to play with zhongli simply because of how annoying and clunky his pillar itself can be. i would much rather pick up a shard while dashing, which is something you already do to dodge/cancel animations, than worry about zhongli's pillar placement, especially against bosses.
in my experience, petra is a lot more flexible and forgiving. the uptime is also not that big of an issue, especially with someone as flexible as lyney, since you can just swap to zhongli to pick up a shard you havent picked up yet, or use his burst to create a new one, which is something you cant do with tenacity. once your pillar is broken or you fail to place it, tenacity effectively becomes a dead set for the rest of the rotation.
i can see why a hardcore player might miss these points.
Then again, some might say that it's clunky for them to pick up the shard and the same people will be fine with zhongli's pillar breaking.
Tenacity also provides the valuable shield strength. This issue is really highlighted when the enemy does a lot of damage. Imo just change the sets according to the conditions
i hate that petra set need holder have to be the one to pick the shard, like its annoying if you pair with favonious.
@@Opulent_osmium tbh the only time ive seen my zhongli's shield break is against copelia and the tulpa, and with the amount of damage they deal and the fact that they can fuck with your pillar anyway, im not sure how valuable that extra shield strength is in practice
Yeah I also prefer petra a lot more on Zhongli , i don't understand how some people find it hard to pick up the shard , it takes like 1 sec to pick it up , which is less time than Kazuha's usual field time lol
And for people who may complain about its uptime , it has 10 sec duration, which is literally the exact same duration of VV
Petra is Zhongli's best set in pretty much any mono element team (Lyney , Neuvillette, Arlecchino ...)
For me personally, I find Tenacity easier to manage than Petra because I'm used to geo construct positioning but I always either forget to pick up the shard with Zhongli, or end up picking the wrong shard (since enemies can have self-infused auras). Even when there are no enemies with auras, I can still miss the shard amidst everything happening on screen and spend too long looking for it. Yes, it's very much a skill issue. But I can definitely see Petra being easier for others as well. I really find it interesting how it differs from person to person, we all have different playstyles.
Casual players are difficult, you have no idea.
You have no idea… a lot of casual players would rather waste all their resin farming for a specific artifact instead of using the resin to level up their character and talents
@@JordanLopez-sv9sp also theres a lot of casual players that wants to insist that their "team" is stronger than meta..
I'll have you know my dehya does 100k damage!!!!
>Every single person saying Klee is 'clunky'
Yeah, no kidding...
@@bulletpunch9317 ...per rotation, right?
Right?
I dont even wanna pull lynney but i still watched it because of banger content
The thing with casuals makes sense to me...
Wanting strict guidelines for artifacts gives a hard line to aim for, so it's less dependent on your own personal judgement. Likewise, wanting a strict rotation to follow is easier than understanding enemy attack patterns and making intuitive decisions on how to adjust your playstyle.
Skill lets you do more with less, so people with less skill need to make up the difference ┐(´ー｀)┌
Lyney, em raiden, deyha, chevruse makes a great overload team for me, not sure why nobody uses deyha with lyney great defense option imo
casuals are more restrictive because they think they need to min max. you can't really convince them you can get away with +0 artifacts and lv 1 weapons.
8:44 Can you tell us about the Lyney and Navia team at #4? What is going on with that team?
it's just a brute force dual dps team 😅 switching to navia just to use her E. but its proof after you've been playing a while you can have fun and still clear
I actually use that team alot glad to see it getting recognized @jamiekb9v
I quite enjoy that team but using Xiangling instead of Zhongli so that Navia can pick up more crystallize shards. It helps Lyney get a little bit of interruption resistance too :D
that point on 2:00, its one of the few reasons why international are less used even though it is one of the best teams in the game.
I love Lyney’s animations. I know it’s not optimal but I have fun running Lyney Bennett Furina and Jean in the Overworld.
I gave him a try, and didn't feel like he was for me in those events you can pick trial characters. I think my regrets from these events are getting Neuvelette (strong, but not too fond of play style..), missing al haitham/writhsley - seem more my play style.
Have Ganyu, but feel melt Ganyu's too high risk too reward. Destroys stuff when it aligns, but feels punishing geting interrupted or 1 shot in some abyss. Figure Lynley's the same
its good that you know what you want! 👍
I know she came later, but I really love the team Emilie, Lyney, Bennet and Zhongli. It doesn't Max lyney's damage, but in overall damage I really love how he can perform
Yes that is a great team
You should have mentioned how in the Chevreuse teams Lyney is on prototype crescent (?) and hitting headshots as well as doing 4CA, Q and E, i believe
Any thoughts on Chiori with Lyney if you’re already taking Zhongli? I find that she makes bringing Zhongli more worth it for overall damage and you get really strong frontload. Xiangling is probably better overall but Chiori is even comfier since you don’t have to battery her.
Great guide! I did have one question about Burning Lyney teams. Are they viable / worth it, esp w the new artifact coming out?
No, with the current roster burning set doesn’t change much for burning. We have to wait to see if they are following up with a new dendro burning support or something like that
10:58 yeah except it usually misses against mobile enemies as they walk out of its range and it gets destroyed in boss fights
AR actually uses 4p MH Lyney in some cases even without furina
I guess it just depends on the situation and rotation
He uses it with sayu since her healing can stack it well
This question is less about Lyney and more about his weapon.
I’m want to pull Arlecchino signature weapon and am on my 50/50.
I have c2 Tighnari but haven’t built him cos I don’t have a viable weapon. So how good is Lyneys weapon on Tighnari and is it a good enough consolation prize to justify pulling on the weapon banner?
Not 100% sure, but I think it's his 2nd or 3rd best weapon (after Hunter's Path and debatably Aqua Simulacra - I think Aqua is better if you are close enough to enemies for its passive, but possibly worse if not).
12:35 i dont have fischl anyway but how about orororon c6 with cinder city?
This Video was very interesting and informative. I like it, Sub Earned. 💯
Where did you get the art crop of Lyney in the screen cap?
just got it from official art google search
13:30 they are playing a charged attack character. If there is one person in this world who doesnt mind charged attacking, its a lynney player
17:01 and What about who care about that do you recommend lyney?
Maybe one day they'll give us an option to charge attack with bows without zooming in to 40fov, then I'd give lyney a shot
Yeah that was annoying at first but I got used to it
5:20 Not speedrunning doesn't mean casual, you can play teams at somewhat low invest or play bad teams and reset in a chambers for 2 hours
I think 2p2p is fine but when you don't kill enemies instantly, marréchaussée can pull ahead by a lot, especially if you get hit while charging your charged shot or if you start at low hp and Bennett heals you like 2 ticks before your first charged shot
You saw how 4MH is at most 7% better, and around 5-7% better assuming the absolute best uptime for it, which is already a very unrealistic assumption. The video also shows how unless everything goes absolutely perfectly, which is a very bold assumption to make for a shieldless Lyney team, 4MH can actually end up being worse. I don't know how you read all that information and reach the conclusion that 2pc2pc is only viable if you're killing enemies instantly, when it very clearly provides more consistent damage no matter how you're playing.
It should be very telling to you that speedrunners, who obviously are more willing to use less reliable/RNG dependent setups for more damage, still choose to use 2pc2pc even though it's technically worse. Even the people willing to reset for hours on end to shave a few seconds don't want to use 4MH, because clearly its uptime isn't actually very good in practice, and you're not going to be fully buffed most of the time.
@@marxismpotatomaybe read my comment before replying to it, first of all, I said 2p2p is fine, second, he assumes you start at full hp and are fighting a training dummy which minimize the marréchaussée uptime. When you get one of the conditions I mentioned or even other ones like the pyro dot from 12-2-1 or even corrosion, it's basically 18% atk (3.6 rolls) vs 36 crit rate (11 rolls and it's crit) which is about 15-20% more dmg so yes, I believe that for most people, marréchaussée is better than 2p2p, it's not needed though
@@Poochyvert I read your comment in its entirety. The answer of "just get hit and then get healed" or "just start at low HP" is a very poor way of playing Lyney, because if you're playing shieldless Lyney and you get hit a few times, you are going to end up dead. A dead Lyney is not stacking MH buffs. If you aren't playing shieldless Lyney, and you're playing him with ZL, then why are you low HP in the first place? Surely you're not arguing that 4MH being good against one specific enemy type and one specific abyss debuff, both of which very sporadically appear in the abyss, means that 4MH is actually BIS.
Also, his calcs show that 4MH is BETTER in theory against a training dummy. He also elaborates it's perfectly fine to use it on him, just that it's not necessary, and often you'll actually be losing DPS in PRACTICE, even including the examples you've mentioned.
You can believe what you like and argue what you want, but Lyney's HP changes by himself simply do not stack all MH stacks, and he is the last character in Genshin where you should be trying to get hit on purpose, or be low HP on purpose, due to his extremely low base DEF and HP. If you're playing a shield, then the only way you'll be losing HP is by facing rifthounds, which is one specific enemy type that is usually present for one floor only, if they're in the abyss at all.
@@marxismpotato I would think speedrunners wouldn't use something that needs to ramp up because they kill it too fast. If fights end too fast it actually is weaker. technically worse but is it functionally worse in the situation. speedrunning has different rules.
Usually when Lyney gets hit or is low hp he either just straight up dies or gets staggered out of a charge atk and wastes your dmg anyway. Whilst it’s definitely possible to use that to your advantage to stack mh faster, I don’t think it’s a consistent solution at all. At best it probably helps for a few fights here and there, but like I said in the vid, are you really gonna farm months and months for that? Well it’s your choice at the end of the day
Hey, I'm aware my question is dumb, but I'm considering to get Liney and, to be clear, I don't like Bennett. My Bennett is lv 20 and I'd like to keep it that way.
That said, what could be the best Bennett-less Liney teams? Would Chevreuse be good then? Like Liney, Chevreuse, Kuki and Dehya. Since there is little to no setup, Dehya's uptime would allow several CA for Liney, I'd guess. Also Kuki could allow more flexibility to when trigger an Overload and keep the pyro aura on the enemies.
Also, I understand that Liney as the only Pyro would make him lose up to 40% of PyroDMG, but would a team of, like, Liney, Kazuha, Zhongli and Nahida to keep the Pyro aura from Burning, be usable in Abyss by any chance? Or should I just not pull for Liney? xD
I kinda just want to use the characters I like and be able to clear content, I don't care about the BEST teams.
Nowadays Lyney Kazuha Emilie Bennett is probably my new favorite Lyney team. Would Unfinished Reverie be worth it over Marechaussee?
I'm by no means an expert or anything, but I'm managing 100k damage on Wander's With Talent lv 5.
Do you think this would go up? to Decent damage?
Nice guide
Would you recommend (2pc Pyro + 2pc ATK) over (2pc ATK + 2pc ATK) ? I got some lucky pieces on the crimson witch artifacts and also have Klee.
I'm excited to pull for Lyney's C1! Already have him and his signature weapon. He is extremely fun to play!!!
Looks like atk atk is only 0.3% behind atk pyro from his calcs
They are basically the same thing so whichever one has better substats!
@@jamiekb9vthank you for answering 😃✨
I can’t play Lyne without shielder.
Tbh I accidentally got Lyne and at the time I did not have a bow for him and was close to pity on weapon banner, a 10 pulls gave me his signature bow. Few days later I had full hunter set. Found he was not criting. Increased his crit rate, then saw your video on YT, tried to go mix set but unfortunately the stats can’t beat my hunter set. Even if I went to 67 or more crit rate my hunter set is better than mix set (ATK based set), unless I used 2 em 2 ATK or 2 ATK 2 hunter set. Still I’m not sure what set to go for. And as I can’t go without shielder then who should I go for Xiangling or kazuha??
I would try both zhongli xl and kazuha xl see what you prefer. But commonly most people prefer zhongli xl more! You can try that
Who’s better him of Wrio C1; in Bennett, Xiangling, and Furina?
i lov lyney, but i think i havent enought to made him a good dps
i play on mobile + cannot aim but all the characters i like are bows so i have to force myself to get used to their playstyle and it hurts my soul. at least ganyu prepped me up for lyney because otherwise he would've stayed benched in my acc.
For me furina vape team is more comfortable. Furina is a direct counter to pyro shield.
My personal favourite team is replacing Xiangling with C6 Chevreuse in mono-pyro. Keep Kazuha. I don't care that Chevreuse is normally designed to be a healer or to use overload, she does MAD damage with her skill and burst, and doesn't need nearly as much energy. Xiangling is always my point of stress in content and removing her made Lyney feel much better. No need to stand in melee range, no need to funnel, no need to extend your rotation to 20s for her burst if you have to do a second one, none of that.
Is amos bow good on lyney cuz I will not be pulling on the weapon banner
I didn’t do weapon calcs in this video unfortunately you might have to reference another persons video for that!
Better use skyward harp
Amos bow only works for CA and lyney focus on CA skill and Burst
I wish I got Lyney last patch...
I'm getting him next patch
So did you get him?? :))
16:25 in tournaments. Its basically neuvillette on one side and lynney on the other. Thats the best teams you could theoretically run in the recent abysses with single target on one side
Xiao is up there. Navia isnt as strong in C0 or low cost tournaments
Who’s better him or Childe in: Bennett, Xiangling, and Kazuha?
Childe is far better in AoE, while lyney is most likely better against bosses at c0r1. Childe is a more complete character, good for every scenario both aoe and St. So, I would say Childe is a better carry
@@alatuseditsLyney has way higher dmg, cieiling and even better cons as well as being at least top 5 strongest dps rn but ofc childe is easier and less niche. Not trying to hate just what I’ve seen and from experience
@@Marz333 I said c0r1. It doesn't matter if he has broken cons since the majority will never get them. And childe is just as complex to play, if not more
Well childe international required precise rotation but he's easy to play while lyney is kinda hard to play but better than childe for pure damage and easy rotation.
Is 2pc MH + 2pc atk just as good as 2pc atk + 2pc atk?
lyney usually has a lot of atk from his weapons, pyro res and bennett, so if you are doing 2 or 3 ca's 2pc mh 2pc atk should be slightly ahead i think
5:20 Oh that made it to the vid ?🤣
Yep, the topic wasn’t about your comment by the way but just using it as an example of various other comments 👍
LYNEY: strong but hard to play
NEUV: STRONG, EASY to play. And before anyone says he's boring to play, at least you can clear abyss without resetting
The value of not resetting when clearing Abyss is different from person to person. I don't only do Abyss when I still have rewards to claim. I do it for fun on different teams, and not having to reset to me is not very valuable. Therefore, for someone like me, Neuvilette is actually boring. Just because you value not resetting in Abyss, doesn't mean that everyone else does, and things being boring or not are generally subjective. It's okay to want to clear Abyss fast, never reset, and then not touch it until the next window, but conversely, it's also okay to want to have the experience of clearing Abyss be more exciting.
Neuvillette makes it less likely to reset, but the possibility is not zero.
Few teams at high investment need to be played so perfectly that ruining a single rotation is going to cause you to reset your chamber.
Unless you're doing something like playing Hu Tao first half of this abyss, where you absolutely cannot have Neuv falter on the second side.
i also do abyss to try out multiple teams but neuvilette is still valuable for me as i can have a guaranteed strong team on 1 side and i can have an experimental team on the other.
I main both.
You can clear abyss without resetting with any top carry, that isn't neuvillette exclusive thing bruv. Only, with other carries you won't get bored out of your mind.
7:35 wait what? In lynney furina. Its not lynney whi shoulf vape, its furina
actually in lyney furina kazuha bennett, lyney is the one who vapes
Lyney isn't hard to play tbh, you just need to dodge well. Compare to Arlecchino, Lyney is super easy to play. If you wanna no brain it, just Zhongli it...
So... just dodge with Arlecchino as well? You can even do it while animation canceling out of her combos to not even lose any dmg (if you can time it to enemy attacks), compared to Lyney for who it would be a bit of a waste to dodge while charging an aimed shot.
Neither is really too hard to play for me now, but, at least for me personally, it took a bit more time and practice to play Lyney well than Arlecchino.
How mechanically viable is it to just use his burst/skill and just swap him out sub dps style?
I actually like Lyney as a character but I'm absolutely disgusted with the Ganyu style bow charged atk gameplay.
not ideal since his kit functions by each part of his kit increasing dmg of other parts of his kit. you probably won't enjoy him then
@@jamiekb9v Thanks for the quick response brother. Kind of a bummer, but I'll try think about it.
... Sorry, but there are some oversights (and even some straight BS) in this video:
*[**3:23**] MH isn't that good / Go 2pc+2pc / open your rotation with Q:* You _can_ start your rotation with his Burst _but 3 charged attacks are still needed,_ even at C1, _to cap the 5 _*_Prop Surplus stacks_*_ for his E,_ So Marechausse is _indeed_ the best set overall.
*[**12:03**] His rotations* _aren't_ *flexible:* Do you want to do good AoE damage with his E? Then you need to do Charged Attacks first. With his C2 you WILL want to stay ~6s on-field, anyway - which is enough for either 3NA+Q+E or Q+3NA+E. He only loses his Marechausse crit stacks if you do something st00pid like doing 2 charged attacks, swapping out for more than 5s, then going back into Lyney for Q+E - WHICH YOU SHOULDN'T DO ANYWAY, AS HE NEEDS PROP SURPLUS STACKS AND MARECHAUSSE AND EVEN CRISPY FOCUS IF YOU HAVE HIS C2.
*[**6:09**]* Lyney doesn't need Furina to max MH: he can do that in 1~2 Charged Attacks with a "fast" healer (e.g. Chevreuse with her 1s ticks)... but he STILL wants to do 2+ CAs due to Prop. Surplus. Stacks. Also:
*Vape* (Reverse): DON'T, as Lyney _loses his 4th Asc. Passive without a Pyro aura_ (60%~100% DMG);
*Vape* (Forward): OK, but _only Kazuha and/or Xiangling can apply more pyro_ than Furina does Hydro;
[6:31] *Shielder* problems: ... C4 TANKFEY exists, so there is no such thing as choosing between "having a a shielder" and "running triple Pyro". Zhongli sucks, as he is slow and Lyney doesn't need THAT strong of a shield (again, as he stays 6~8s on-field at max per rotation and part of this period has i-frames from his Q and E). Finally, a grouper isn't needed AS LYNEY IS SINGLE TARGET AND USES A BOW WHICH HE CAN SHOOT AT THE GROUND MOST OF THE TIME ANYWAY (Yae + Chevreuse is almost too much AoE, and Yanfei fits the last slot absurdly well. Leave Bennett + Xiangling to other carries, as they use that core better FFS. _again: Lyney only needs a shield for his ~3 Charged attacks, as Q and E give enough i-frames and mobility._ Also, he already gets almost too much ATK from Chevreuse and his R1, so why the fuck are you pairing him with Bennett and playing Circle Impact?!?!?!
[12:29] *Overload* "problems": ... YAE MIKO exists, so there are no problems. Fischl is for NA / Aggravate.
(Yae is better than Fischl for Overload procs, as the totems can go for 3 different targets. Last slot can be Yanfei or even Xinyan - no need for Bennett.);
Since his release he’s been my strongest pyro character, tbh his mono pyro team w zhongli Bennett kazuha is insane even if u dk what you’re doing it’s fast. U barely even have to charge atk if u don’t wanna lol
14:20 vaping HIS attacks? Why would you do that. His kit allows him to practically vape with a pyro aura and it vapes every attack cuz its not actually vape.
Instead by having your furina vape. Your lynney doesnt take a damage hit and your furina damage shoots way up
If people are stupid and can't play Lenny it's not Lenny's fault
I dont understand why you say:
This team (furina vape) is good, but you have to use a specific rotation
And then say:
This team (overload) sheets as the highest, but it's bad because you have to use a specific rotation.
These are pretty conflicting ideas, why wouldnt people who want the highest output have a problem following a specific rotation to get that dps?
I don’t think I said that for the overload team? iirc I say it’s underwhelming dmg wise and scuffed for a bunch of different reasons. Whereas vape is actually strong but does have playstyle difficulties and more limitations compared to mono 🤔
Ganyu is way easier
Idk if i want father or son 😩
I have no idea how anyone can look at bow characters as "Hard to play".
You have range, a lot of it...the hardest part is just learning how to aim...
Try playing him on the top half of this abyss
@@jamiekb9vWhile I do not have him, I don't think it would be harder then something like Klee or Yoimiya shieldless as an example.
Hell, just cleared just to make sure I wasn't talking out of my rear for this and...yeah, wasn't hard at all. Consecrated Beasts on the other hand, if they were in this Abyss, I could see a point being made.
@@Rpground klee is much easier to play without shields than lyney. We also know this is true for casual players since klee's highest usage teams are usually the same as the speedrun teams like klee bennett kazuha furina and klee bennett kazuha xiangling before. whereas as discussed in the video lyneys most used teams usually have zhongli.
@@jamiekb9v I don't know how since since Klee has shorter range, less i-frames both from burst and her model and gets one shot in this Abyss.
The sample sizes aren't really indicative of anything with Lyney being at more then 3x the usage rate then Klee...
Stats also say that before you even get to Lyney on the first half it's just the same Kleerina team for him...
Now your "Try playing him on the top half of this abyss" makes even less sense because everyone's playing him on the bottom half and Klee on top.
It’s not hard. It’s just a boring playstyle.
Copelia would like to know your location
Lyney got everything i hate on a character.
A Little boy wearing stripper's short shorts.
A Pyro unit who is highly dependent on kazu beny.
A bow- charge shot user.
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He's got all 3 pairs of the worst attributes.
I don't care even If he does 10M dmg per shot, he will always be garbage tier.
Skill issue
And?
Then this video wasn't targeted at you, close it and move on. There is no point in spreading unnecessary hate for a character, even if you don't like them.
Who asked, go play your waifu-bait character.
Who's better at c0r1, c0 supports with f2p weapons.
Lyney or hu tao? With perfect play.
Lyney is better if u sacrifice shielder and go for furina or kazuha
Lyney has been shown to be on par with hu Tao even in his worst situations it depends what playstyle you prefer (both take skill to max dps) you can say he’s more niche but why wouldn’t you play him in his best team and he’ll obliterate most content that’s doesn’t have pyro shield/immune enemies
I don’t play hu Tao at c0
C0 supports u mean 4* or 5* stars? Cause c0 hutao xiayun furina yelan is way stronger than c0 lyney xiangling kazuha bennet but she's way harder to play with the plunge combos so u might just go for lyney for comfy and easier gameplay while still having a great dps (hutao main here)
@@K0smosX I meant c0 5 stars
Bro I love my Lyney
The hard part is finding the good artifacts 🥲
Edit: it's not about the set. I genuinely don't have any good artifacts or resin at all
i'll pray for your luck!🙏