Tim Ross Says Beautiful Women Should Stop Doing THIS
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I have tried to get into Tim Ross for a few weeks and what I have learned is that he is very comfortable teaching his opinion as if it’s scripture which is DANGEROUSLY DANGEROUS. If you are a listener of his, be careful. That cat is slick
I would ask you to frame it differently. He's not teaching or preaching. He's not pastoring on prophesying. He's discipling. Totally different function and you need people to be encouraged to continue on to sanctification. He's dealing with the reality of life vs the tearing down and building up you would get in a church setting. You disciple friends but you wouldn't preach fire and brimstone to them every time you talk. It's unrealistic and unrelatable. Discipling is helping people walk through their problems, it's just a different function
@joeclark4eva regardless of how you frame it or word it, discipling someone is still teaching them what the TRUTH of scripture is, not a person's opinions. Otherwise, what are you discipling them into? Discipling IS teaching.
@@nowfaithis9799 no. Sharing life experience and best practices is not teaching. Helping someone along their journey vs pointing out their flaws at every step. The Bible says "he who winneth souls is wise". Winning a soul is not the same thing as teaching people. You can win souls while teaching but the act of winning souls is a delicate ministry. Either way, pray for understanding instead of condemning everyone. Jesus said if they aren't against us, then they are with us.
@joeclark4eva the notion that teaching/preaching is condemning is wild, man. Everything in life is a teaching experience. Sharing practical life experiences is still a form of teaching b/c you're enlightening someone on tools they never possessed. That's teaching.
We absolutely should not condemn for the sake of condemning. Discipling and teaching does not do that. Those things are mutually inclusive, not exclusive.
@@nowfaithis9799 just like I Said, it's a delicate ministry. The difference is shown in our statements. You wanna correct the semantics of the argument and I'm just trying to show a different side of it. Just let it go. We have different purposes and I'm just dealing with a statement that was made. Btw if you listen to any amount of time to the podcast, he uses Scripture all through it. All to show parallels and to help with application. Let's help people live out their sanctification and not just preach at them.
Its called discernment and carrying yourself with respect and loyalty!
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I listen to the whole thing and the key thing was that some pastors do not want to be in their podcast cause they are 2 beautiful girls and they feel like they needed to be ugly to have male guest in their podcast. Even to the point that they say they feel like they need to wear paper bags on their face. So he was saying they do not need to degrade their look or look down on their beauty because of other men.
Also, I understand where Tim is coming from on my mom and the church. She was told by a deacon to stop wearing pants because of her hips (where she has no control and workouts) and the pastor had to put him aside because that was straight wrong and it was his problems.
Yes, the motives are correct and we all need self-control, not just men, but if you watch their podcast they do dress modest and do not dress to get men looking.
Yes I watched the whole thing too and the context is key in this conversation
Thank you! I watched the entire podcast as well. We as people need to have self-control! This happens through praying and fasting! He was encouraging them! Men need to be as brothers in Christ and not predators! Jesus discipled women as well. He never focused on their beauty. It was the heart posture that was important!
Men dont need some self control! All of the self control!
In my opinion, pastors should be more cautious. This is obviously a problem amongst pastors, unfortunately.
As a single woman, christian married men do act strangely as if we are aliens when we just say, "Hey, how are you." Or When a married man says "Hi" and you say "Hi" back and the wife is side eyeing you. It's actually quite hard socially in some churches. I greet men and women both equally.
It's hard because I get both sides.
Lol. Jesus said if your eye causes you to sin " pluck it out" and went on to give similar examples in the same breath. I'd imagine the context for which your allegory applies is against that backdrop . There is nuance even for walking the Christian path.
I'm sorry, with all due respect, I'm not sure how your statement coincides with my statement. This is a true lived experience and not allegory. Can you please explain further?
@@bethanyp.6490 I'm not saying your story is untrue . I was giving context why the men "shying away " is not necessarily a " bad" thing, grounding it in scripture.
Okay, I understand what your saying. In my opinion, there's no need to be cold towards single women. We are people too that see this behavior as a form of rejection. In real life or at work, we don't act like that with the opposite sex. I only see this type of behavior in American churches. A greeting never hurt anybody. Now, if I'm in the corner with your husband for 30 minutes or calling him on the phone. I agree, that's inappropriate. I think it's important to have boundaries, but it's also important to recognize that we're humans just wanting to find community. We're not here to take your man. Lol
For me it is about wisdom and intent. As a woman who respects and loves myself, there are certain ways I wouldn’t dress because of how I respect myself. Also, because I have often found myself in male dominated spaces, I have definitely been mindful of how I show up and present myself. I don’t see it as oppressive or anything miserable, rather it’s wise and honorable. Some people are going to lust no matter how you show up, but it’s wise to also care about how you show up in a room, and that’s for anything in life.
I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. There are some that lust no matter what but we have to mindful of wearing modest clothing.
We can’t cry when we get that unwanted attention while wearing short tight clothing🤷🏽♀️
Some women use excuses that they can’t help their body type.🤦🏽♀️
This interaction should be pinned
With all due respect, if you guys aren’t going to watch an entire podcast before having a discussion about it, then you’re not behaving any better than the atheists and unrepentant sinners who take Christian clips or bible verses out of context and speak on it. We as Christians are supposed to lead by example. Do not as the world does. God Bless.
Ever since Tim okayed the use of profanity and getting tattoos as a follower of Christ, I left dude at Jesus' feet for God to deal with, not me. No sir. No thank you.
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So perfection is the standard? There are racists, pedophiles, money hungry preachers out there who fraud millions for millions…do they get a pass?
@@HENOC.S: What's so funny ? 🤡
This comment is epic..lol Most High bless you for leaving such cruelty.
@@h.peters 😂😂
Married or not you will see beautiful men and women everywhere! That will never change. If you can’t go on a podcast because someone is pretty you need to work on self- discipline.
I do agree with the counseling piece mentioned but this is not that at all.
If you are truly in tune with God you still see clearly before anything pops off if the woman have a hidden motive.
***The word didn’t say He was ugly (if I can remember I will go back and see) it was alluding to the fact that He had the appearance of a normal man. Which was intentional as well. Underdogs always surprise you.
2 For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
--Isaiah 53:2-3 ESV
I’m actually in agreement with Tim on this one. Men need self control & deliverance from perversion. We gotta get to the point where we can be in the same room as attractive women & still be Godly. Live in surrender, be real with the Lord and lust that could come up to the Lord, allow him to help you act accordingly.
Question is why are they dressing sexy in front of a man not her husband?
@@scorchedearth824I don’t think that’s what Tim was talking about. If that’s the case I agree with you but Tim’s point was to to encourage them not to go out there way to be or dress less attractive due to a man’s lust issue not healed from or dealt with yet
@TheDjGrateful
Point taken but there's a video of Juanita Bynum critiquing church gospel women about how they dress, and Tim how he deals with church politics is weird
@@scorchedearth824I feel you on that. I definitely don’t agree on everything Tim says. The stripper Jesus thing was cringe to me. I definitely believe many women are capable of dressing modest & not lose their sexy.
@@TheDjGratefulI agree women shouldn't have to go out of their way, and men DO need to control themselves, but scripture does set a standard for modesty from Christians. We cannot omit that when having these conversations. We must always point back to the scriptures to have guidelines for these conversations, otherwise it all becomes opinions and preferences.
If Tim Ross didn’t cuss and use profanity I really wouldn’t have an issue with much of what he says. I don’t think what he said in this was wrong. I’m not going to make myself ugly just so you can control yourself nor am I going to temp you on purpose! 💯
If the message is on truth, the vocabularies are extra accessories. 🤷🏾♂️
Beauty isn’t something that should be weaponized. For so long, women were made to feel like they had to hide their beauty as not to entice men. It’s insulting to women and men. It’s as if men are animals and don’t have the capacity to control their lust. Now going to great lengths to provoke attraction-that’s the problem. Attraction is normal. Admiration of beauty is fine. Acting on attraction outside of the confines of righteousness is also problematic.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but there a kind of beauty that is more or less universal. Attraction is more so personal. Though beauty is an appreciated, I don’t know that it is always something that it meant to be led with. I think the inner gifts are what God calls us to lead with.
Tim is on a podcast speaking the way he would be with friends. It was never meant to be a sermon or a preaching. Not everyone has to be the same as not everyone has the same struggles. The gentleman saying he disagreed with Tim, I’m not sure what the actual problem is here… of course needs to use wisdom, it wasn’t mentioned not to use wisdom. If you have a temptation you personally have to put restraint on yourself and keep yourself in suitable environments. We can’t confuse beauty for lust or being indecent. Tim is speaking aesthetically if you’re “beautiful” you shouldn’t be bullied for it. We’re all different and all on the same side, and no one can determine how. We’re all just working to serve God the best we can and get correct as possible. Bless
Like Sarah was a beautiful woman even in her 80s
As a woman, I try to dress modest in order to honor God and my husband and myself. If I see a handsome man, I never think Ugh, he needs to get a little uglier cuz I’m stumbling! Lol 😂 no I have to just check myself. And men should do the same. However, I may bring it up to my sisters in Christ who I have a relationship with if I see them being immodest, if i know they’re trying to grow in Christ. Because some people are still learning.
Drop n' give me 50! 💀
That’s crazy 😂😂😂
Beauty is subjective but to a point, a 4 might range from 2-6 for example based on subjectivity but there is an objective beauty standard purely speaking visually
7:52 beauty is a gift… but where in the New Testament does it say we ought to use beauty of the flesh for God? No where, we receive spiritual gifts, how is someone going to advance the gospel with beauty? It says we ought to die to our flesh, not look sexy for God 😂
Pastors need accountability and have their wives or elders in the church in the room while counseling. What about when Abraham told someone I forgot his name, that Sarah, his wife, was his sister because she was beautiful. What was that about?
Abraham told that to Pharaoh because he was afraid that he would be killed so they could have beautiful Sarah as THEIR wife.
@YesDahling , thank you. I get it now; that was deep.
My issue is why are men telling women how they shouldn't or shouldn't dress. This isn't a man's job. The bible is clear about everything. Older women should be teaching younger women how they should be in the church. Here's what Titus says.
Titus 1:1But as for you, teach what accords with sound doctrine. 2Older men are to be sober-minded, dignified, self-controlled, sound in faith, in love, and in steadfastness. 3Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, 4and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, 5to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled. 6Likewise, urge the younger men to be self-controlled. 7Show yourself in all respects to be a model of good works, and in your teaching show integrity, dignity, 8and sound speech that cannot be condemned, so that an opponent may be put to shame, having nothing evil to say about us.
Nah fam David was handsome not by purpose but by coincidence. He was described that way as a matter of fact but his good looks were not for a specified purpose. Saul was also handsome by coincidence and we see that the people of Israel fell for his good looks but it doesn’t say that he was made that way so people could fall for him and believe him as a leader
On the issue of "using your beauty" for the gospel, I don't think it's that deep. I believe God creates beautiful people because He can and wants to! It doesn't need a deep, spiritual purpose. It gives Him pleasure to create beautiful things - human and otherwise.
Tim Ross doesn’t come across as one that has trouble being tempted by women🙄
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Bro. That's fine. Thats also your Church.
For me, I think if you are a podcast or it is very relevant that you listen to the whole whole hole and I said that three times text before we start to speak on anything that’s just one. Secondly, we have to stop putting things on women because I am a woman I am a woman of faith been in church all my life now am I gonna shrink back because you can’t control yourself no, that’s not for me to do that. That’s for you to go to God with that because that’s a control thing that’s a youth thing. It’s not a meeting thing That second. We have to stop putting so much blame on women in church because it’s a two-part thing deals with the pastor because the pastor because like the disciples went before they laid hands they prophesied they prayed over women they control themselves so again it’s a you thing now for woman comes in with a lustful heart then that’s something that you should call in another woman and y’all sit down and have a conversation, but still not shining her but correcting her and showing grace a lot of people don’t know in church. A lot of people don’t know mercy in church. They know being shamed in church and that’s the problem.
Here we go…🤦🏽♀️Tim Ross is a HOT MESS!
I don’t believe Tim Ross has been in plenty of relationships with beautiful women. No offense
👏👏👏Starting with his response at "1:58," it's very clear. We see the wolf🐺 in sheep's clothing or goat clothing not sure if he is passing as a sheep for real. He is so slick talking his level of deception is clear. That is sad. Modesty is stated in the Bible so that no one is a stumbling block. Somethings are out right clearly intentional to accentuate certain body parts and draw attention whether it is for women or men now days. So we need to be led by the Holy Spirit and surrender our will and way to His will and way. Your beauty must be in your heart and it will show outwardly.