Super Mario Maker 2's MISSING Story Mode Exclusive Items
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- Super mario maker 2's story mode acts as a way to give tips, tricks, and ideas to the players of mario maker 2 to help them create their own levels. Interestingly however, there are several items and clear conditions contained in mario maker 2's story mode that cannot be used in the game's editor. These range from clear conditions to even items like stones and Toads! In todays video I investigate these missing story mode exclusive items in smm2 and talk about how I think they could've been used and why I think they may have been cut!
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I wasn’t planning on dropping this video until tomorrow, but I was able to finish it pretty early today and thought, why not just release it! Hope you all enjoy!
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The Stone of Destiny is one of Nintendo’s best designed Mario levels, and they were so proud of it they didn’t want anyone to outshine them so they locked the stone away for eternity.
True story
The way you phrased that made it seem like you were Ceave gaming in disguise.
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And thats how The Stone of Destiny sealed its own Destiny
The stone actually has a big form programmed into the game, which gives even more evidence it was meant to be added.
Or maybe they just wanted to use the big stone for a new level in story mode but they decided not to do it.
My guess, and it’s just a guess, is that the stone made it to testing and proved too easy to make soft-lock levels by accident. I can just imagine a bunch of levels like that. And unlike, say, hidden blocks, which have existed since SMB, the stone is a new “nice-to-have” only.
My guess is that its because the stone cant be used in SMB1 at all
@@HyLion true, though i guess thats similar with tiles like pow blocks (albeit if you can prop it up it'll work). There's also the SMB2 mushroom to use it with, and it can be used as a platform block on something like thwomps, and its gravity abilities (even in water) could maybe prove useful as well
I think it was repurposed into the crate
A possible theory for why these items are missing is that they're actually buggy, and all the Story Mode levels containing them are laid out very carefully so the player can't break them.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. The stone would introduce so many ways for players to break the game that I bet they just said screw it and took it out from the jump.
That would be a great point if slopes didn't exist, but they do, and have more bugs and ways to break the game than all other items combined.
Toads, would be very buggy is what I was thinking.
yeah but I could imagine it would be a long time to fix it. especially the stone
I don't think so, I mean, at least for sure the 4 first items shown in this video wouldn't be buggy, else they're just pretty bad programmers, like, c'mon, I can guess how all of those 4 items were coded into the game and I don't see any reason for them to be buggy (Yeah, I know sometimes bugs can be really unexpected, of course I know, I mean, I have experience with this kind of bugs, they appear in pretty much any of the projects I made/I'm making, but I still don't see any reason for these 4 items to be buggy, and even if they were somehow buggy, I bet those bugs would be small bugs).
About the Toads, well MAYBE they would be buggy because they follow you exactly, and maybe this feature could bug the game somehow (Dunno how tho, maybe if the player does some weird movement or something).
And the stone is for sure going to be buggy, like, it's a physics-based item, it's really hard for it to not be buggy.
But nothing of this matters, because let me remind you that an item called "slopes" exists in the game and we can use them in the editor.
The thing is with the “don’t use claws” clear condition, they could modify it so that it’s “don’t use x” (x being whatever item you don’t want them to use).
That's actually a cool idea.
That's most likely the main reason why they didnt include it. It would take some (maybe a lot idk) of programming to choose what you should not use.
@@brookedoesstuff yeah, a giant multi-billionaire company can't add that because they are too small for that
@@ironicivan4928 They don’t care enough about Mario Maker 2 to add all of those features.
@@funnynickname4005 yeah, you can see that considering that they stopped updating it
I'd personally would love to have the escort toad with more properties other than as a clear condition. Maybe like in a super world depending on how many toads you got when you get to the end you get a certain number of 1-ups.
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Here is another one! A toad door that you have to have a chosen amount of toad to unlock.
@@thehallster3064 Oh, that's actually really good. I also think the door limit should be raised.
@@Bugaboo8 yea i agree about the door limit. We really need it increased.
I think that the tree condition isn't used because of just how easy it is to abuse it. Not having this probably just saves people from the horrors of climb 99 tree levels.
Edit: Oh no i think i started a war help
Climb 99 trees, but it's a speed run.
Not like players can make hellish levels already.
If a maker placed above the trees they could make the clear condition impossible
Except people can abuse anything.
Place a vine lined with invisible blocks and place an item at the top on a rail.
Now make the player collect 99 of them.
Super mario maker is a game where people can build what they want to build, if they find it fun to climb 99 trees, let tjem climb the damn trees, if other people don't like it, then don't play it.
Still love how the Toads sound like a key when you interact with them.
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Maybe the "reach the end without clearing the water" wasn't included because players can have a non-forest sub-area, and things would break in that case,
For that they should have made it a forest exclusive clear condition but they may have not wanted to put the effort into that for some unknown reason.
Well it's not like they could upload the level
They shouldn't have limited the water effect to the forest theme in the first place (or the lava to the castle)
And also that clear condition wouldn't make any sense if you use it in an underwater level
@@MaxitoDe485 it would in the case of non underwater subworlds
The Story Mode exclusive items are actually one of my biggest gripes with Mario Maker 2, I know it's a bit trivial but it pains me that you can't use the stone in the editor because it had a lot of potential.
I’m with you on that
The fact that nintendo wont let us use stones in the editor even though they got their own historical age is not okay
One more story mode exclusive thing that bugs me a lot is crates with items in them. There was a level that has crates with Mushrooms placed in them when you break it, and you have no idea how long I spent trying to do the same thing with a Super Hammer when making my first 3D World level.
You'd think that was the whole point of crates in the editor in the the first place, considering that's their purpose in the mainline games, only for it to be possible to put exclusively coins and keys in them.
My theory for the stone not being in the editor is because you can't carry items in SMB1 and therefore you wouldn't be able to clear its condition. But it's still no excuse, the item should be available in all styles and the condition could have been removed in SMB1 only.
They could have just made the item not available in SMB1.
Or it's still useful as a decoration.
Even if the issue was "not being able to grab it", items such as pows also can't be grabbed in SMB1. The Stone Block would also have unique uses in SMB1 BECAUSE you can't grab it. It can act as a wall that Mario can't pass through, but that could be picked up by a claw to allow Mario a way, for example. It would be the only hard block that can be placed on half blocks, that can't be destroyed by the Spiny Shellmet and can be picked up by a claw, which would make it extremely valuable. It would also allow for more decoration options, which is always a +.
@@stylishgaby Good point
Reach the goal while holding a Pow Block.
Don't forget the P-Switch
Or Trampoline!
What about the Clown Car, Cloud, and Car conditions? Why does it seem like everyone forgot these exist?
It always hurts to be reminded of these I wanted to use the stone and toads so bad.
For the issue of the toads being useless without the condition, the could have jest made it that the item is only accessible if you enable the condition where you are forced place them when you set the condition.
Maybe they could’ve done something where you collect a Toad, you would get some extra coins or maybe even a 1-up. Then, maybe you could hide them like the hidden key coins people like to put in their levels.
I think it would make sense to be able to place Peach or a Toad inside of the cage and rescue them at the end of a level as an optional cutscene where they drop down. This would work well with finishing a castle level in a super world. For the older game styles showing the classic "Princess Peach is in another castle" text would be neat. In 3d world u could rescue the fairies.
Or customize how you transition between worlds!
I also thought about changing the objective in Super Worlds (represented by a book).
Default-Rescue Peach
Options 1-3: Custom Objective!
I thought the same thing!
If nintendo wanted to add a second use for toads they could use the button from 3D world that require you to have a specific number of things on them for them to activate. You could make it active so many things too, like Pswitches and pows, or an item I want added to the game, that disappears when triggered.
LittleBigPlanet vibes
@@SmokePudding yes.
So like the Double Cherry lifts?
@@tealcorehedgehog2425 Yeah, those exactly
I actually spent hours thinking you had to unlock new clear conditions but then I googled it and was met with disappointment
The first item (the cage) could be good when making a superworld (so it's used in final superworld level as an ending) or can be combined with save the toads.
Yeah and they could have peach instead of toads, seeing as that would make more sense.
@@wubbin or have yellow toad or daisy.
Maybe do:
Luigi saves daisy
Mario saves Peach
Toadette/toad save yellow toad.
I know that you could technically have a key door to do this but would be great if you had ability to put a toad in a cage for the "save the toads" clear condition and in order to unlock the cage there's a requirement e.g a key to unlock the cage, powerup, certain number or coins or having to have defeated curtain enemies before etc.
@@imanepink Luigi x Daisy hasn't been implied since Mario Kart Wii, and the fans are obsessed with it. Luigi has never saved Daisy in a single Mario game. Mario has saved Daisy in Super Mario Land and Super Mario Run, and that's it.
@@harrybest2041 I think that Nintendo should change their ways rather than having mario/Luigi fight over peach. Let Luigi have daisy and keep Peach for mario/bowser. I'm not obsessed with the ship tbh or any of the ships.
Imagine a multiplayer versus level where you have to fight the other players and try to horde all the toads, that would be hilarious
😂 That would be amazing!
It would be like the star coin multiplayer minigame in New Super Mario Bros 1 (I think?).
Maybe that’s why they didn’t get added to the editor, because with multiplayer, you either make everyone fight over the toads or risk putting 40 toads in a level.
This man still finds ways to make SMM2 content after Nintendo stopped updating the game years ago.
I remember first playing Mario Maker 2 and playing the stone block levels, I completed Story Mode first and seeing that gave me so many cool ideas for how I could implement it into my levels given how unique it was. When I went into the editor however it wasn’t there, I thought to myself that maybe I had to unlock it along with other items. I went to the internet and was so disappointed.
I do have a possible reason for why stone isn't in the editor, the Super Mario Bros. 1 style. When this game came out there were no ways Mario would've been able to interact with it in that style without having to add the grab mechanic from the other styles, but now that we have the smb2 mushroom I can kinda see that being the way to use it.
And there you go, an possible excuse for why stone isn't in the editor.
Still very dumb tho, the pow, p-switch and the spring, all grabable, are in SMB1.
@@RGC_animation yeah, but the stones primary gimmick is what it does to Mario when he grabs it. Take that away and it's just an unbreakable pow
@@RGC_animation the thing is they still do things even if un-grabbable, the stone dosen't other than crushing enimies, which a muncher can do.
@@Grane1234 which makes it an item that can be grabbed by a claw, and that can by extension be dropped off anywhere, that Mario can't pass through. This makes it the ONLY hard block in the game that can be placed on half blocks, be moved by claws, and that can't be destroyed even by a spiny shellmet, making it extremely valuable in the SMB1 gamestyle. It would also offer more decoration options, like in the Yoshi level from Story Mode.
@@stylishgaby I'm not at all trying to say that it's bad, I'm just adding onto the original comment. Just saying
11:14 Imagine this in multyplayer. They would act like keys but a thousand times more annoying.
the most complex key fight level ever
Havent watched it all yet, but wow I've forgotten a lot of these, lol, so excellent work on the refresher!
A couple things I wanted to play devils advocate for:
1. I'd not be so quick to dismiss the tree top counter condition as 'worthless'. Dont get me wrong it'd be just as abused as so many other clearcons, but I've also learned you can be really surprised with the creativity of some creators. You never know what greatness could be possible with any of these until you see 1000s of people working em out.
2. Contrary to the above, there's a lot of claims of 'should have been easy to include.' Having worked in the software business a long time, it can often be surprising just how difficult it is to do things you assume would be simple, lol. Its very possible these things led to very crazy glitches when used outaide the confines of a handful of super controlled levels.
I have an idea how Toads could work without clear conditions. You can put items like mushrooms or keys in toads and if you bring them to a certain point they will give you those items. That certain point could be a captain toad (like the one in story mode, not Captain Toad), which is simply a variant of the toad that stays in one place and will take all of the Toads away in return for the items the Toads had, with a coin being the default item.
They probably excluded the water clear condition because it would only be useful in a single theme. Of course, they could have made it inaccesible in all the other themes
I’m just wondering which genius exactly thought that these shouldn’t be available on the editor. Because I refuse to believe that Nintendo did this for any reason other than to troll us.
They do a LITTLE trolling
@@Odyssey_Central This is no longer in the business of little trolling. This is a lot of trolling and it *must* stop.
Imagine a little timmy level where there are thousands of claws you have to avoide, you have to carry 10 toads around, carry a stone and find the imprisoned toadette to beat it
Having multiple clear conditions at once would be neat as well as being able to save the progress of them with *CHECKPOINTS*
The cage could be useful for super worlds, like you could have Mario "save" someone at the end of each world to tie the story together.
Cool list idea! I was forgetting how cool some of these items are. Thank you for the quality content as always!
After I played the first stone level I was SO excited to make a level using that clear condition... But yeah for some bizzare reason it was not in the editor
For the never leave water clear condition, they probably didn’t include it because it only works in the forrest theme since no other themes really have water except the full water one, but you can’t really leave that water.
yes but they could easily lock the condition for the forest theme or add water to all the themes.
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I think the “climb __ trees” clear condition is not added into the game yet because someone could just spam 100+ trees and add the clear condition to make a 5 Minute level.
Yet? The final major update was the final content update, unless you're talking SMM3 (soon) then yea, but other than that, not really.
You can still do that by making each tree have a coin or 1up and saying collect all coins
You can add vines, cover those with invisible blocks, and at the top place an item you need to collect 100+ of.
people do this anyway
Concept: a course titled "One must imagine Mario happy". It mainly takes place in a vertical sub-area, where the player has to scale an obstacle course while carrying a Stone. When at the top, they must drop to collect a single Pink Coin, returning to the bottom of the area and beginning the ascent anew.
Oh, if only.
Also, cherry on top: When the player actually reaches the goal, a contraption (probably just a conveyor belt or something) takes the player and their Stone back to the starting area of the course.
genuinely amazing concept
Oh but what about the timer that’ll make it even harder 😅
I think the cage feature would be cool for Peach in the final level of a Super World. Though it wouldn't always manifest as a cage specifically, however.
Maybe they could've designed a cage in the Super Mario World style for the cutscene at the end of a Super World.
How some of these could work:
The stone could be used as a decorative block when used in conjunction with hard blocks in the smw style for example.
The cage could be opened by hitting it from the bottom, get detached from the ceiling with a normal pow and be destroyed by a red pow, or opened with a special cage switch.
And the toads could be given power ups.
The Stone Block would also have unique uses in SMB1 BECAUSE you can't grab it. It can act as a wall that Mario can't pass through, but that could be picked up by a claw to allow Mario a way, for example. It would be the only hard block that can be placed on half blocks, that can't be destroyed by the Spiny Shellmet and can be picked up by a claw, which would make it extremely valuable.
I’ve seen some of these items hacked into regular mode, and not only does the Stone also have a sprite for SMB1, you can even apply a Mushroom to it to make it bigger.
Question: Why do the Dry Bone's bone projectiles render a tiny black line to the right of the screen? (This is mostly seen on the section where you were talking about the claw condition)
Imagine a level with the stone and claw, where you use the stone to be picked up by a claw and ride it. Along with the claw condition it would be pretty fun.
Regarding the Toads only making sense with a clear condition, I think it'd be cool if you could put a power-up inside a Toad like with a checkpoint, so that you get it when you collect the Toad. With that line of thinking, maybe Toads who are following you could pick up power-ups as you go, and you could somehow get those from them, thus using them as storage units.
i would love to imprison toadette in my levels
Exuse me ?!
Huh? 🤨
same
4:55 half of you’re fanbase actually would have unironically reported this video for that reason💀
the claw one could be fixed very simply by adding a feature where you can't touch certain items as a clear condition.
Hey Odyssey! Great Video loved it! But I would love to have a Toad in the parts and make a bonus section like in New Super Mario U. It would be very useful and then the Bonus Music Sound effect would actually make sense.
Also this is really random but, do you use the D-Pad to play or the Analog Stick?
It’s almost ironic that there are so many exclusive things and items in the editor but they were too lazy to add a simple stone block
The toads probably aren't in due to how much lag could be caused by it in multiplayer but that is just my thought.
Yeah I'm sure they care about multiplayer lag
@@canadianbigmac3501 Game lag is not the game as multiplayer lag.
I remember a video where these items were hacked into the editor and mostly worked fine if they were in the right style. So I don’t think it would require much more programming at all.
Very cool video! Thanks for good content
i dont play mario maker, heck, i dont even have a nintendo switch, but still i love watching your videos bc they are very chill, entertaining and funny! thank you for your work odessey central
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My theory why "Reach the goal without getting out of water" is because it's exclusive jungle theme.
oh, thanks for reminding me about your "rank all moons" video, i'm gonna go rewatch it again
Maybe if the toad clear condition isnt applied to levels they could work like an item block of sorts, like when interacting with them they can give an item to the player that the creator selected and then jump off screen or something
Do you think the story mode is good over all?
Yes, it’s still definitely an improvement over the developer levels from Mario maker 1. Really my ONLY problem with it is these story mode exclusive stuff, but otherwise it’s really good!
@@Odyssey_Central a youtuber called skellux hacked the toads / cage / stone into the game, btw.
Stone won't have much use in Super Mario Brothers theme. But I agree. I would of loved to use these items in the Editor
False. In the Super Mario Brothers theme, the stone is still there just so you can admire it for being the best item in video game history.
With the inclusion of the SMB2 Mushroom, this statement is now false.
I believe the reason the don't leave water is only in story mode is because it is like the frog suit, except instead of only being used in the water and Forest theme, it's ONLY the forest.
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Hey odyssey, could you please explain how “beat the level without leaving the water” is a general clear condition when only one level type has exitable water and only during the day?
Edit: Also, the *ONLY* reason that the stone could have possibly been cut would be that it would be mostly useless in SMB1 due to the inability to pick up items (aside from the SMB2 mushroom, which was added later on)
Water
Water
Multi-player pick a pipe level where if you choose the wrong pipe you insta lose
How About This: If You Switch To Forest Day, The Clear Condition Is Accessable
@@Odyssey_Central I think the reason the stone isn't in the editor is because you can't grab items in smb1
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One reason not covered as to why some of these items were cut is due to their levels kind of being tutorial-like. The trees condition lets you know you can interact with the trees and place items within and the stone levels teach you about certain pickup item interactions.
But I could find one reason for the stone’s exclusion. You can’t grab it in the SMB1 style and Nintendo probably didn’t think it would be that useful there.
@@dubiouslittlecreature908 yes but the stone was an Item specifically designed to be carried (thinking like Nintendo) the pow still has a use in SMB1 to kill enemies, the spring still has a use in SMB1 to jump higher, (again, both thinking like Nintendo) I guess Nintendo just thought it would be worthless in that theme, or at the least close to that.
I have a theory about the "don"t use claws" and "don't leave water" clear conditions:
The 2 actions clear condition work in any level since there isn't anything that stop them but the "don't use claws" don't work if there's not claws and the "don't leave water" only work in day jungle.
you cannot use a clear condition without having the object placed.
One reason for stone I could think of would be consistency of nintendo's logic for 3D world. They want 3D world to be different so they add a bunch of nice exclusive stuff but also leave some nice stuff out. Builder mario in 3D world can create boxes which work basically like the stone except less heavy and can be broken and they don't want anything similar elsewhere. It's a terrible reason but the best I can think of for nintendo's standpoint
The Bowser Music was cued perfectly with the downpour of rain right now.
Yeah I don't trust your average creator with the Toad retrieval clear condition.
The tree one could be used for a level where the flagpole’s right there but you have to climb a bunch of trees and dodge obstacles to get the clear condition
The stone may have been cut due to the inability to carry in SMB
Still a horrible excuse because it would still have a use.
@@HyperComet369 ikr, perfect physics block
@@HyperComet369 Yeah was probably cut by the same guy who decided to sell cardboard for 70 USD
The toad one probably wasn’t added because of the multiplayer it’s hard to imagine how that would work. I guess maybe you could have it so every-time you jump on a player’s head you gain one of their toads but its still weird to think about.
I think there could be an option to put a cage behind the flagpole, just for decoration. It would also be cool if you could choose who's in the cage, but if you're playing as that character they're sprite changes (maybe if you're playing as Luigi in a level where Luigi is in a cage, his color changes or something).
The options for who is in the cage:
•Mario
•Luigi
•Toad
•Toadette
•Yoshi
•Peach
•The Sprixies
•Wario
•Waluigi
@@orionmclaughlin5680 Why would Wario and Waluigi be added to Super Mario Maker only to put inside of a cage?
@@clexo2155 Peach makes sense, but not Wario and Waluigi. They've never been kidnapped!
You wanna know one reason the Stone might not be in the editor?
You can't carry objects in the SMB1 style.
The only style it isnt in.
7:59 One reason could be that the Don't Touch the Ground clear-con pretty much accomplishes the same thing, with just a couple minor differences.
I think a reason for the cages in the future would be so that all the characters have their unique attributes and that if a creator wants to have you not use Luigi’s because of a higher jump, that’d be easier to do. Obviously you would most likely have a menu/button to change whether the abilities are on or off, possibly making classes of sorts. Imagine a speedrun level that has a few paths that are tuned to each character and you had to do a specific thing to reach your character’s area (like the character exclusive buttons in 3D world)
one reason I can think of for them not including the stone is that you cant carry items in smb1 so it might not be as useful there but even then it can be used as a physics object manipulated by claws or conveyors without the need to grab it
using the Arms track during the claw level is a nice touch tbh
the reason most of these clear conditions seem to be excluded is that they're mode or theme specific. Not sure about claws, but water is only in two themes and one of them only has water, and trees are only in 3d world. Maybe they just didn't want to add in conditions that weren't universal. Other than the stone. Bring back stone.
The stone wouldn’t be universal either, the SMB style exists, and you can’t pick up items in that style without the SMB2 mushroom, which was added in an update.
Kill all Stingby's is a 3D World exclusive condition and yet it still exists!
Mario Maker 2 DLC. Free with NSO expansion pack comes august 5th 2022. Includes Heavy stone, Toads, new clear conditions, geysers, the ability to put water, lava, poison and quicksand anywhere in any course theme as well as the beach and mountain theme.
Stone's reason for exclusion is probably because you couldn't carry it in SMB1 style when SMM2 came out, but now that SMB2 mushroom exists, there is no excuse anymore.
Even before then they could have barred the stone from SMB1 and had it in the rest. Same with the escort the toads, they could have made it so that's it's only available in SMBU and SM3DW.
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When it comes to the cage, I think being able to set what character is trapped inside would be good just for flavor (like putting Peach in it at the end of your final level of a super world) and fix the "but Toadette is playable" conundrum.
When it comes to the Toads, wrangling them could be unique to the one style considering how many things are unique to the 3D World style (of which none should have been, 3D World is like its own entire separate maker game considering how many basic physics objects are missing and how many of its enemies are in zero other styles). Their effect without a clear condition could just be having them give Mario 1ups at the goal, like the Damsels/Pets in Spelunky do for HP.
For the toad condition, it could be that there’s special doors or signals that are only activated by having a certain number of toads, for example, in a world you could do a challenge by taking a toad to the end for a 1UP
The stone.... even i, a noob with no idea about level designing, was REALLY dissapointed that the stone wasn't included. It has unique physics and is a carriable item that doesn't break like pows do. Its quite absurd how it wasn't added
They should let you add peach in a cage at the end of the level and like the toadette cage, it only opens when you touch the flagpole
One thing I notice that kind of covers all situations here is that they're options that wouldnt be compatible with several modes/levels. For example "dont get claw grabbed" doesnt work outside of world, "trees handstands" doesnt work outside of 3d world, etc. It might have just been their, admittedly lazy, solution to simply not allow a situation where a player could create a world with a condition that can't be done.
My guess for why you can’t use the stone is like, maybe bc you can’t carry things in the mario 1 style, they were like “well, it doesn’t really work there, and it’d be weird to have an item in every style but mario 1 sooo… let’s just make it unusable.” Incredibly silly? Yes. Something I could see Nintendo using as reasoning? YES
The only reason I could think why the stone would be cut it because SMB1 mario can't pick up items, and therefore, would have basically no use.
1. This explanation is stupid logic, while it does make sense, you could only have it be in SMB3, SMW, and NSMBU.
2. If you think that's wrong, well, there are tons of style-exclusive items, so the stone could fit in.
Claw clear: pretty much useless
Forced water clear: seems cool, sad it's not in editor
Toads: although it's a cool idea it wouldn't work in editor due to the toad bubbles moving randomly which makes them able to go in unreachable areas
Stone: idk maybe Nintendo forgot about it or they hate us?
Luigi: Hey, Mario. Look at this cool level I've made.
Mario: It's a stone level, Luigi. You didn't make it.
I think the reason why the "don't touch claw" or "climb the top of trees" weren't included is because they are game mode specific (claw isn't in 3d world and trees aren't in the others)
I think that one reason these aren’t allowed because they wouldn’t work in multiplayer.
Dry bones for smash
The swinging claw condition could have made a great Multiplayer VS level in which you throw your rivals into the claw meaning they cannot win
I feel like the claw one wasn't included since the don't touch the ground after leaving it condition basically does the same thing, since unless its like the final claw in the level, you're gonna have to touch the ground again
"do you want to imprison toadette in your levels"
now that you mention it, the thought has crossed my mind...
I like how the Stone and Toads are more useful than like half the editor
If the toad clear condition was in the editor and did not need a clear condition, it could be an optional hard mode it also might not be in the editor because one person in multiplayer versus could have most then another person could take them all, making it a never ending fight over toads or in multiplayer versus
You would need 30-40 toads, making it lag
The stone probably wasn’t added because of Super Mario Bros. It was a valid excuse… until the SMB2 mushroom was added. Now they have no reason to why they didn’t add the stone to the editor.
The exclusion of these clear conditions is one of my least favorite things about what otherwise is a fantastic game that should be in every gamer’s library.