Those are two beautiful machines. That Indian is a looker for sure. I can dig the riding comparison. Never rode an Indian (yet) but I do own a Harley RGS. Thanks for bringing us along. 👍🏼
Just a kind of FYI. Victory didn't really "go out of business" in a sense that most people think. Victory was being sold I believe at the same time as Indian, but the first year of Indian sales, sold more bikes their first year of release than Polaris sold the victory line their entire 8 years. People wanted them both to stay going but it was smart for Polaris to shut the Victory line down, they'd be competing against themselves. And having to run parts, and service, and tooling for a line of Motorcycles that really just didn't sell all that well would have cost them unnecessary money.
I loved my Chieftain when I had it. The main issue is the infotainment system doesn't respect battery level. So if it sits for several days 7-10 days, make sure you start it before you try putting in gps info. Or put it on a tender. The infotainment system boots so fast, it can power draw the battery so hard it kills the bike. The Indian suspension is light years above the stock Harley suspension. I wish the Chieftain had a 6gal tank. The new Challenger does. this is my exp, and opinion.
I have a 2015 Roadmaster Indian. I have been having two wheel fun since '71 on the highways. This bike is the best handling big bike I've ever rode. The rear suspension is air ride adjustable. The bike has plenty of power with my wife and me on it, and a really fine tune ride. My bike is bone stock. The only gripe I have is the radio is not as nice as the HDs I've owned. It just does not pick up very well, but I guess that is from the antenna being positioned so low.
Love the way you say "it's down to preference" as it is each to his own. Here in the UK, I am still a learner and as you probably know we are stuck with 125cc till we pass our test. I have a little Suzuki Marauder and put on floorboards and a heel-toe, they are the best things I have added to her. The top speed is only 60mph with the wind behind me. But most of my driving is in 40mph restricted roads so this makes it a great commuting bike for me. What you teach is great for all motorcycles, not just the big heavyweights.
* Donald McPherson personally I wouldn't be spending any more money on your Marauder, as trust me, when you have passed your 'test' you'll want to be 'trading up' as soon as you can afford it. Make sure you are 100% capable with the floorboards, gear change and braking before your test. I've seen on here very experienced motorcyclists not enamoured with heel toe shifters. Good luck on your test and welcome to the fold!
That was fun. Challenger next? I live about 10 minutes from one of the highest volume Victory / Indian dealers in the country, so I see a lot of them. The Harley dealer is even closer. And to tell you the truth I find the variety, refreshing. I get to enjoy a lot of eye candy in my neck of the woods. Choice...it's an American thing! In Soviet Union they have freedom of speech. In America we have freedom after speech...it's a nice touch!
I ride a V Star (Yamaha) and I'm a big fan of that brand, but I wouldn't kick either one of these bikes out of my garage. I refuse to engage in brand-bashing, and I am happy for anyone who rides what he likes or can afford. Our group has everything from ADVs to cruisers, crawtchies to Can-Ams in it, and we have a BLAST!
I ride a road king but if u want a Indian buy one, makes no difference to me I wave at all motorcycles they make jobs for Americans and that's a good thing. I wish them the best. Just ride and be friendly and wave at all motorcycles guys.
After owning a Honda, Kawasaki, Victory and 3 Harleys, one of the HD being my police bike, I now own the Indian Chieftan. Love it and yes 18 ft turns are pretty much the max. Happy new year to you and Donna.
Very useful I'm in the market to buy my first vtwin this is one of the best truly unbiased videos I have seen I own your videos i watch them once a week can't wait to get my new ride so I can get to practicing what I have learned from the videos. Thanks happy New year to you and mrs.motorman
Agree competition is a very good thing. You probably know the Indian Challenger is currently the talk of the town and the bike setting a very high bar out in the V-Twin Bagger market right now and would have been the test ride and comparison to really see. But for now we’ll take what you got because it’s you Jerry. Ride safe and ride often. Life’s short, just buy the bike.
Of course I'm partial since I have a 17 Roadmaster and love it. I have had Honda's and ridden HD but for my preference I prefer the Indian over the HD. I so love giving my HD buddies a hard time all the time as they do me as well. ;-)
Kinda like what you said, at some point it comes down to what you like and what you plan on doing with the bike and how you ride. Been riding since I was 14. Like em all! My latest ride is a 2019 road glide. Love it! Happy new year!!!
David Helmuth---> I recently bought 2019 Road Glide Ultra and just love riding this bike. The Indian in this video has a better ride over bumps but the rider seat, hand-foot position is much more comfortable on the Road Glide Ultra when compared to Indian Chieftain.
Another great video. Love your instructional videos all the time but really enjoyed your completely unbiased review/comparison. I currently ride a 2019 chieftain. As always everything you said is spot on👍
Love your honesty Jerry. As a Victory Crossroads and a Harley owner. I think you are right on in everything you said. I will never buy a bike with a computer screen. But I do use a detachable gps on long trips. Just wish I could find a more comfortable seat for my routine 600 mile days and 74 year old skinny butt! Did 2500 miles in four days, Washington to Colorado and back last week for my 74th birthday. Ride safely!
Both H-D and Indian make fine Motorcycles. Its simply preference about styling and use that should matter. Folks on two wheels should want both companies to thrive, it creates a better product for all. Nice review.
@@jimwortham8634 Thankfully, there are choices. The E/Glide standard with ABS is 19K and the FLHTP with RDRS and ABS plus the 114 motor and heated grips is less than that. Both are a great buy as long as you don't care about a radio/nav system.
Just bought a new 2020 RoadGlide limited in silver pine and spruce, but haven’t had a chance to ride it because of all the salt on the roads here in northern Illinois. I don’t know how she runs but it sure is beautiful.
Kim Schaefer congratulations, but if I were you I would test ride the challenger before I buy HD RGD, I believe what Indian provides is better when it comes to value for money
Zakariya Bokhamseen I did a lot of research Zakariya but I think the Harley-Davidson is the better looking motorcycle. I know a guy who works at the Indian dealership and owns 3 Harley-Davidson motorcycles because of the guality fit and finish, but he does like the Indian engine.
Have owned few Harley-Davidson twin cams over the years the M8 really is a major Improvement from the previous design it is a very enjoyable and capable ride even stock form, still retain some of its roughness that people are custom to. Enjoy what ever you ride..
That is one nice looking Indian motorcycle , what a great comparison video . I have a Harley and just love that look , but like Jerry says l would be proud to own either bike . Great job guys !!!
all the newer bikes from almost all manufacturers are finely tuned machines that are worthy of 2-wheel enthusiasm there is still just something about a harley that you can't explain, can only feel within (in my opinion)
You can adjust that throttle response on the Indian. If you move it from Touring or Standard over to Sport, you'll instantly notice the quicker throttle response. Both nice machines. Indian would have to get the nod for looks, fit, & finish.
My wife has a Chieftain , I have a Streetglide . Both great bikes . I believe Harley paint & chrome is better. The Indian has TPMS & valve stems at 90 degrees , it is better. Indian is better balanced & softer riding . The Indian is much easier to service . The Indian brake reservoirs are chrome instead of black painted HD Parked side by side all the time people come up & admire the Indian ignoring my HD. I have to admit the classic red Indian is better looking .
Peter, it was sad. The darn things were built proof. I can't help but think the dealer/ service availability were a part of their failing. I see Indian dealers all over the country so I hope that bolsters Polaris sales. Hell, I lived in Cuenca Ecuador for 3 years and there was a Polaris dealer right down the street. They weren't selling the big street bikes at the time, the big biz was 4 wheelers. They love mudding over there.
@@zenspike8246 Polaris shut down Victory because they'd be competing against themselves. Too many bikes/tooling/parts to handle in a niche market. Indian's first year back with Polaris sold more bikes in 1 year than Polaris sold in 8 years with Victory. Really no sense from a business standpoint to keep them around. That being said, as an Indian owner, the day i get a garage, I'm hunting me down that orange Victory High Ball. Fuck that thing is gorgeous.
They look good, but I definitely prefer frame mounted fairings. I was hoping Indian would have put a frame mounted fairing on the chieftain styled bike, but they are moving towards Victory looking bikes.
Great review. Its so refreshing to see and hear an unbiased review - bashing one brand over the other only makes us look bad. I own and love both but for different reasons. The Indian Roadmaster is my distance bike and my Harley Fatboy my local bike. It's great to be an American with American motorcycle choices right now! Competition is very good because we all benefit.
They are two really nice motorcycles. Both fine pieces of American machinery.I am a Harley owner so I if I’m choosing today I’m taking the Street Glide
I love your honest objective reviews. I love my Harley, but it's so annoying when people think that whatever they ride is the best at everything. Everyone should ride what they like, and let the other guy ride what they like. Thanks you.
I do like both, i find the Harley heavier and the steering lighter. But i find the Indian smoother riding and shifting and i do like the power windscreen and locking saddlebags, Indian has more standard features which is a better value for my money.
Polaris was very shrewd purchasing the rights to Indian. Victory didn't make it. I tried to like Victory but too ugly. Polaris has used nostalgic looks with modern design. Smart. I don't care about all the fancy electronics ,I ride a Road King no radio, no nuthin' ok cruise control. Harley can't afford to go too modern too fast. People won't buy it. ( V-ROD engine was originally going to be a V4 , early 80's Evo motor won) But competition is great for all , except the prices of course. Harley's new ADV and Nekkid bikes . Gotta stay relevant. The bubble burst . Good comparison.
Dave Sunderland haha Polaris is known for poor engineering your comment shows either blind bias or stupidity I ride across country never had a Harley leave me stranded.. that said it’s all machines all can break... it’s nice not to be 12 hours from a dealership
BreakoutPete no it’s not... even looo g before Polaris bought the right to the Indian name did you ever work in one of their 4 wheelers??? It’s akin to the gold wings removing the motor to replace the starter except a millions times over... Indians that the dealership takes weeks to even understand the problem software issues the keep the bike from starting having to remove replace the master fuse catching fire issues... all are machines none are perfect but to say Polaris doesn’t have major issues is wrong
Thanks, Jerry, I ride a Street Glide too and agree, I wish they hadn't gone to the hydraulic clutch. The cable clutch was much easier to use. I've gotten used to how to feather the hydraulic clutch but really was a learning curve!
@@motorman857 Looking at them and thinking of getting it but I have large hands and long fingers. You still think it would be better for me?.......Nevermind, I ordered one to find out. :)
@@motorman857 Well, I ordered the Soft Brake lever from the site you showed which was costing $81.95 total which I was okay with, but then they called me and said I had to give them a credit card number so they could charge a $50 deposit on the return of my original lever within 10 days or else have another $50 charged to my credit card! No where on their site did I see anything about it being an exchange but I told them I considered this to be a scam and to refund my Paypal payment! I'd like to have tried it but not at that risk.
@@petekeener8943 Actually, it shows on their web site there is a core charge. That's because if you don't send your stock clutch lever back, they would have to charge your credit card the 50 dollars. I've ordered 5 of these levers and always sent back the stock lever so there was never a charge on my credit card. Had I NOT sent back the stock lever, I would have been charged, understandably 50 dollars more. I have sent 100's of people to softbrake and no one has ever been scammed. It sounds like a simple misunderstanding.
A question for the cross country riders. Has the Indian dealer network become more available as we travel? Seems like you can always find a H D dealer .
Owned a 15 Roadmaster for nearly 3 seasons, never needed a dealer, recently traded it in on a Kawasaki because I couldn’t afford the brand anymore. Had 41,333 when I traded, key fob, and abs sensor were my only two issues that I repaired myself. Two other minor issues were seepage from injector o rings, and a little seepage from oil cooler lines and stator harness plug. Just kept it cleaned off. Just ride em!
I didn’t think of that part, I’ve never used a dealer for general maintenance, I used local shops on all my bikes for tires that were cheaper than the big brand dealers before I bought the basic tools needed to do them myself. I don’t have the luxury of traveling cross country or at least not exceeding tire life on any single trip so tires and oil changes were always done before or after any “big trip” being only 1,500 to 2,000 miles in 4 to 5 days..
Nice, quick, and dirty comparison. I owned lots of Harleys for over 30 years, mostly Softails. My last one was a Fatbob though, and probably the best handling HD I ever owned. Then I bought a Chief Vintage to compliment the Fatbob, and eventually traded that on a Chieftain. So now two Indians. Even now, I think HD has a bit better finish, but I love the look of the valanced fenders, the suspension, and the Indian engines are a work of art. Also, the HD in this comparison is 114 cube, compared to a stock 111 (not even a stage 1 kit on it). So it's going to be a little "less" right off the bat. That said, I agree the throttle control is totally different on the Indians, and can take a little to get used to. I'm keen to test the Challenger, but for now, I'm happy with my mini "tribe" :) ua-cam.com/video/c0x8rmQQ3_0/v-deo.html
@@roar666 No need to get your panties in a bunch, pal. You said stock 111...the 116 is now stock in most bikes. No, it doesn't have anything to do with the review Jerry did...it pertained to your comment about the 111 being a little less that the 114 off the bat...and that's why I mentioned that now the 116 is standard and would make up for any "less" the Indian 111 felt.
yea elc issuse eng light always comes on rear cylender alway get hot buns my right they it friking havey thay wont fix kick stand make it right. wish i would bought harley .
Victory was a good motorcycle, Indian is just a name brand that Polaris bought. Doesn't take anything away from the bike by what it's called, but doesn't add historical value either.
guys does the history or brand name really matter? What matters is the product you’re about to lay your hard earned money down on. Both brands sell a great product, as does several other manufacturers, we just need to do our due diligence and figure out which bike is best for us. The bike that’s best for me may not be best for you. It’s awesome that we have choices and able to support many different companies, which in turn evolve, improve and continue to provide us with choices. It would be boring if there was only 1 brand monopolizing the motorcycle market and restricting our purchase options. All motorcycles brands and models are great, people are unique and are best suited to various models based on personal preference. Thank god for our unique tastes and personalities, it keeps life extremely interesting . Love these videos and subsequent debates/opinions, please keep em coming and let’s all not forget that we’re all brothers on this Chanel that share the same passion for the way motorcycling makes us feel, not a single motorcycle brand, but motorcycling in general. Ride safe and ride often brothers.
@@Shaken_AND_Stirred H-D was owned by AMF, then bought them back.Polaris bought the branding of Indian, then brought it into the present, maintaining the original styling. But, it is an original bike in the sense, other than the looks ( front fender ) it's a completely original bike. Believe me, I had a '47 Chief as my first bike... the NEW Indian shares nothing mechanically remotely near the original. Yeah, they capitalized on a name, and it seems like a wise decision, it's working for them. Jus sayin'.
Nice vid. People are funny as you said. I had an HD & for the last 2 plus years I have a Indian Springfield & it’s some machine. Still would like to own both. Either way as long as we have our health and can ride that’s what it’s all about. Both are great bikes & thankfully they keep making them better.
Jerry, you talked about the heel toe shifter I would like to see you do a video on that, I have a 2011 flhtp and I just started shifting that way and I hope I am doing it correctly, maybe there is no wrong way but I would like to see that, thanks your vidoes have helped me a lot.
Hey! I also have a 2011 flhtp - birch white/vivid black. It was love at first sight and she's been an amazing ride. Once you get used to the heel-toe shifter it's hard to ride any other way. HAH.
He should do a "true" comparison, he used a Harley with the bigger engine, should have used the 116. He says he teaches classes, but yet said the HD handled better at low speeds, the chieftain actually handles better at all speeds. The Street Glide is a great Bike, and you can get the base model about 3/4 the cost of the chieftain.
I've got an Electra-glide so I'm biased. That being said the Harley handles better, has more horsepower and better throttle response. Game over in my book.
One thing worth noting might be that Indian bikes currently have a better customer satisfaction rating than Harleys... that is to say, they seem to have less mechanical issues. Nothing worse than spending a ton of money on a new toy and then having to spend a bunch more to FIX the thing. #Motorman: Do you think (or have you HEARD any rumors) we might see Indian get back into the police market in the near future?
That old myth that Harley break down is no longer valid . Like Jerry said we all have our preferences. If that’s the bike that makes you happy then that’s is all that matters .
I guess you either love it or hate it. That old school front fender was the deciding factor in buying my Indian Springfield. It completes the retro look of the bike. I just love it and it's what people usually point out when they look at my bike...."that fender is NICE!"
The big advantage of owning a Harley is the huge aftermarket selection that allows you to change the seat, handlebars, foot controls to fit each individual Harley rider vs buying an Indian big twin.
I don't know why people say Indian doesn't have aftermarket or are you people just too lazy to look so you can justify sucking on that Harley logo? Anything that's customizable on an Indian has huge aftermarket. Want a different seat? Corbin, Mustang, Saddlemen, Ultimate Seats, SS Custom Cycle. Handle Bars? Indian alone makes different sets. Dirty Bird makes them. Arleness, Klockwerks (or however you spell their weird name). Foot controls? Can't name them all off the top of my head but Arleness and Kuryakyn pretty much have every aspect of that covered. Want performance? We got about 5 companies making cams. Countless that make Intakes. Hell Lloydz even makes his own Big Bore Kit (121ci) and if you want to get crazy, has a bolt on super charger kit for the TS111 engines. Oh but what about windshields, ya we got like 4 companies making those. Want a custom leather crotch saver that blocks off the rear head? Ya we got that too. Exuast? 3 companies making True Duals last I checked (I have the freedom set), I forget how many are making x-pipes, probably close to 10 companies making slip on mufflers, so you get the sound you want. Bassani, Rinehart, Rush, Cobra, Vance n Hines, Freedom, Indian Aftermarket, Dirty Birds, Tab Performance, Dr. Jekill & Mr. Hyde just off the top of my head. www.indianmotorcycles.net/threads/indian-links-master-list.269308/ literally spend a few minutes fact checking your dumb statements.
I owned a 2018 Roadmaster, I traded that piece of cheap built plastic crap for my 2019 Roadglide ultra. The Indian was cheap paint,chrome and the fit and finish sucked. The specs. They give on the Indian are so overrated. My Roadglide ultra is 10 times the quality and I can run circles around that indian with it. That's my knowing opinion. I gave Indian a try. I rode it 1500 miles,had it for 9 months. I paid $29,000. For it and got high book of $20,000 on trade in.. That was a mistake I wont do again. Say what you will about the Indian. Definitely do your HOMEWORK before buying, go ride both of them a few times before buying. Also really look at the quality. Harley is much better in my honest review..
Funny, I traded a Road Glide for an Indian and have never been happier. Indian's quality is so much better, their service and sales are better and they give you more value for your money.
I would get an Indian if I thought I were buying an Indian, but instead I would feel like I would be getting something that is desperately trying to be a Harley and fails at being an Indian first (whatever company that is that died a long time ago). This isn't to say that the current invention of the company does not produce a good bike but to me it just makes sense to just get a Harley.
Statements like this are autistic as fuck at best. You do realize everyone at Harley who made Harleys are dead right? It's not the same company it used to be. It's not run by the same people it used to be. Hell it wasn't even owned by the Harley family for years when AMF came in and bought them. Do you say stupid shit like this when you buy your Dodge that hasn't been owned by Dodge in decades? Almost no company who has bee making anything in the automotive industry is still the original owner or face of the company. If you want to be a fanboy over your brand, by a company who doesn't even know who you are, just fucking say it. I don't know what it is with Harley fags who have to go out of their way to come up with every little excuse they can find to justify them owning a Harley bike. It's a bike. It has 2 wheels, no one gives a shit about that stupid fucking badge you guys like to suck off.
Jerry cites the truth "Competition is good" and I add another truth, having choices is good.
Good honest review. There was no unreasonable bias towards either bike, which made it fair. Have a great 2020 everyone!
You can’t go wrong with either machine.
Those are two beautiful machines. That Indian is a looker for sure. I can dig the riding comparison. Never rode an Indian (yet) but I do own a Harley RGS. Thanks for bringing us along. 👍🏼
Just a kind of FYI. Victory didn't really "go out of business" in a sense that most people think. Victory was being sold I believe at the same time as Indian, but the first year of Indian sales, sold more bikes their first year of release than Polaris sold the victory line their entire 8 years. People wanted them both to stay going but it was smart for Polaris to shut the Victory line down, they'd be competing against themselves. And having to run parts, and service, and tooling for a line of Motorcycles that really just didn't sell all that well would have cost them unnecessary money.
I loved my Chieftain when I had it. The main issue is the infotainment system doesn't respect battery level. So if it sits for several days 7-10 days, make sure you start it before you try putting in gps info. Or put it on a tender. The infotainment system boots so fast, it can power draw the battery so hard it kills the bike. The Indian suspension is light years above the stock Harley suspension. I wish the Chieftain had a 6gal tank. The new Challenger does. this is my exp, and opinion.
I have a 2015 Roadmaster Indian. I have been having two wheel fun since '71 on the highways. This bike is the best handling big bike I've ever rode. The rear suspension is air ride adjustable. The bike has plenty of power with my wife and me on it, and a really fine tune ride. My bike is bone stock. The only gripe I have is the radio is not as nice as the HDs I've owned. It just does not pick up very well, but I guess that is from the antenna being positioned so low.
Good video; I’m with Ivan (I’m an Indian man). And thanks for your training videos.
Love the way you say "it's down to preference" as it is each to his own. Here in the UK, I am still a learner and as you probably know we are stuck with 125cc till we pass our test. I have a little Suzuki Marauder and put on floorboards and a heel-toe, they are the best things I have added to her. The top speed is only 60mph with the wind behind me. But most of my driving is in 40mph restricted roads so this makes it a great commuting bike for me. What you teach is great for all motorcycles, not just the big heavyweights.
* Donald McPherson personally I wouldn't be spending any more money on your Marauder, as trust me, when you have passed your 'test' you'll want to be 'trading up' as soon as you can afford it. Make sure you are 100% capable with the floorboards, gear change and braking before your test. I've seen on here very experienced motorcyclists not enamoured with heel toe shifters. Good luck on your test and welcome to the fold!
That was fun. Challenger next? I live about 10 minutes from one of the highest volume Victory / Indian dealers in the country, so I see a lot of them. The Harley dealer is even closer. And to tell you the truth I find the variety, refreshing. I get to enjoy a lot of eye candy in my neck of the woods. Choice...it's an American thing! In Soviet Union they have freedom of speech. In America we have freedom after speech...it's a nice touch!
I ride a V Star (Yamaha) and I'm a big fan of that brand, but I wouldn't kick either one of these bikes out of my garage. I refuse to engage in brand-bashing, and I am happy for anyone who rides what he likes or can afford. Our group has everything from ADVs to cruisers, crawtchies to Can-Ams in it, and we have a BLAST!
I worked for Harley in York PA. Both bike have their slight difference. I love them both so much I own both Indian and Harley.
I ride a road king but if u want a Indian buy one, makes no difference to me I wave at all motorcycles they make jobs for Americans and that's a good thing. I wish them the best. Just ride and be friendly and wave at all motorcycles guys.
I'd like to test ride the Challenger... think it is an improvement on the Chiefain
After owning a Honda, Kawasaki, Victory and 3 Harleys, one of the HD being my police bike, I now own the Indian Chieftan. Love it and yes 18 ft turns are pretty much the max.
Happy new year to you and Donna.
Thanks Joey...Happy New Year to you and yours as well.
@@bikersoncall This link will answer your question ua-cam.com/video/lyw6KGqlhkg/v-deo.html
Geee Wzzz Yes! 18’ turns is pretty much the max on the Indian. Like Jerry says, HD can go 16’
Check the circles folks could do on a victory vision
Very useful I'm in the market to buy my first vtwin this is one of the best truly unbiased videos I have seen I own your videos i watch them once a week can't wait to get my new ride so I can get to practicing what I have learned from the videos. Thanks happy New year to you and mrs.motorman
Love the honesty.
Agree competition is a very good thing. You probably know the Indian Challenger is currently the talk of the town and the bike setting a very high bar out in the V-Twin Bagger market right now and would have been the test ride and comparison to really see. But for now we’ll take what you got because it’s you Jerry. Ride safe and ride often. Life’s short, just buy the bike.
Of course I'm partial since I have a 17 Roadmaster and love it. I have had Honda's and ridden HD but for my preference I prefer the Indian over the HD. I so love giving my HD buddies a hard time all the time as they do me as well. ;-)
Kinda like what you said, at some point it comes down to what you like and what you plan on doing with the bike and how you ride. Been riding since I was 14. Like em all! My latest ride is a 2019 road glide. Love it! Happy new year!!!
David Helmuth---> I recently bought 2019 Road Glide Ultra and just love riding this bike. The Indian in this video has a better ride over bumps but the rider seat, hand-foot position is much more comfortable on the Road Glide Ultra when compared to Indian Chieftain.
As I have told many of my friends there is an ass for every seat. Life is short, but the damn bike. Be safe out there!
Another great video. Love your instructional videos all the time but really enjoyed your completely unbiased review/comparison. I currently ride a 2019 chieftain. As always everything you said is spot on👍
Love your honesty Jerry. As a Victory Crossroads and a Harley owner. I think you are right on in everything you said. I will never buy a bike with a computer screen. But I do use a detachable gps on long trips. Just wish I could find a more comfortable seat for my routine 600 mile days and 74 year old skinny butt! Did 2500 miles in four days, Washington to Colorado and back last week for my 74th birthday. Ride safely!
Try diamondseats.com tell em I sent ya.
Both H-D and Indian make fine Motorcycles. Its simply preference about styling and use that should matter. Folks on two wheels should want both companies to thrive, it creates a better product for all. Nice review.
Exactly.
@@jimwortham8634 Thankfully, there are choices. The E/Glide standard with ABS is 19K and the FLHTP with RDRS and ABS plus the 114 motor and heated grips is less than that. Both are a great buy as long as you don't care about a radio/nav system.
Even if you're a hardcore Harley rider, you gotta admit that Indian makes some fine bikes.
I have a ‘16 Chieftain in the silver and black. Love that bike.
Just bought a new 2020 RoadGlide limited in silver pine and spruce, but haven’t had a chance to ride it because of all the salt on the roads here in northern Illinois. I don’t know how she runs but it sure is beautiful.
Kim Schaefer ...... Congratulations 🎉 that’s an awesome motorcycle. Gotta 18 Rode Glide Special and been loving every single mile 👍🏼
On a 2018 Road Glide Special. Very fine machine on the highway will feel like you can ride forever..
Kim Schaefer congratulations, but if I were you I would test ride the challenger before I buy HD RGD, I believe what Indian provides is better when it comes to value for money
Zakariya Bokhamseen I did a lot of research Zakariya but I think the Harley-Davidson is the better looking motorcycle. I know a guy who works at the Indian dealership and owns 3 Harley-Davidson motorcycles because of the guality fit and finish, but he does like the Indian engine.
Have owned few Harley-Davidson twin cams over the years the M8 really is a major Improvement from the previous design it is a very enjoyable and capable ride even stock form, still retain some of its roughness that people are custom to. Enjoy what ever you ride..
That is one nice looking Indian motorcycle , what a great comparison video . I have a Harley and just love that look , but like Jerry says l would be proud to own either bike . Great job guys !!!
I'd love to find a nice smooth road like that in pa.
Right!? At least we practice high speed evasion on a daily basis here in PA dodging the moon creators.
Dennis Pluto try Michigan...lol
I don't know if the Motor Man could ride in Pa. Dodging a moon crater in the middle of a turn is a daily challenge.
HA, Pittsburgh here and was thinking exactly that
all the newer bikes from almost all manufacturers are finely tuned machines that are worthy of 2-wheel enthusiasm
there is still just something about a harley that you can't explain, can only feel within (in my opinion)
I think you’re right about the competition makes both better. I like the Indian over the Harley-Davidson because It has better lean angle in corners
Actually, the Harley has a better lean angle. See ua-cam.com/video/lyw6KGqlhkg/v-deo.html VS ua-cam.com/video/q6FnCgBdGuc/v-deo.html
Sorry Motorman but I LOVE that Indian. Great video brother.
You can adjust that throttle response on the Indian. If you move it from Touring or Standard over to Sport, you'll instantly notice the quicker throttle response. Both nice machines. Indian would have to get the nod for looks, fit, & finish.
My wife has a Chieftain , I have a Streetglide . Both great bikes . I believe Harley paint & chrome is better.
The Indian has TPMS & valve stems at 90 degrees , it is better. Indian is better balanced & softer riding . The Indian is much easier to service . The Indian brake reservoirs are chrome instead of black painted HD
Parked side by side all the time people come up & admire the Indian ignoring my HD. I have to admit the classic red Indian is better looking .
Jerry says: "It is what it is and you know this, MaaaannnnN ! ! !"
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I'm a Indian Roadmaster owner. Now I had a 2020 Challenger much better handling and power.
Roads in Florida are in a lot better shape than in central NC. Roads around here the tar snake is king.
Never a truer statement about being ashame that Victory closing down.
Peter, it was sad. The darn things were built proof. I can't help but think the dealer/ service availability were a part of their failing. I see Indian dealers all over the country so I hope that bolsters Polaris sales. Hell, I lived in Cuenca Ecuador for 3 years and there was a Polaris dealer right down the street. They weren't selling the big street bikes at the time, the big biz was 4 wheelers. They love mudding over there.
@@zenspike8246 Polaris shut down Victory because they'd be competing against themselves. Too many bikes/tooling/parts to handle in a niche market. Indian's first year back with Polaris sold more bikes in 1 year than Polaris sold in 8 years with Victory. Really no sense from a business standpoint to keep them around. That being said, as an Indian owner, the day i get a garage, I'm hunting me down that orange Victory High Ball. Fuck that thing is gorgeous.
They look good, but I definitely prefer frame mounted fairings. I was hoping Indian would have put a frame mounted fairing on the chieftain styled bike, but they are moving towards Victory looking bikes.
suspension travel is King
You mean, suspension travel is ''Chief''.
That's why I bought a Indian charlenger over harley
Happy and healthy new year to you, your wife, family and former, current and future students.
Great review. Its so refreshing to see and hear an unbiased review - bashing one brand over the other only makes us look bad. I own and love both but for different reasons. The Indian Roadmaster is my distance bike and my Harley Fatboy my local bike. It's great to be an American with American motorcycle choices right now! Competition is very good because we all benefit.
They are two really nice motorcycles. Both fine pieces of American machinery.I am a Harley owner so I if I’m choosing today I’m taking the Street Glide
Brilliant, fair comparison. Competition from Indian has definitely made the newer Harleys better. :)
Interesting about the frequency of the vibration and soft brake clutch lever.
Enjoy what you have,be safe
It's really about what fits you better and which feels comfortable to you. Best to look at both.
I love your honest objective reviews. I love my Harley, but it's so annoying when people think that whatever they ride is the best at everything. Everyone should ride what they like, and let the other guy ride what they like. Thanks you.
I do like both, i find the Harley heavier and the steering lighter.
But i find the Indian smoother riding and shifting and i do like the power windscreen and locking saddlebags, Indian has more standard features which is a better value for my money.
Glad you showed this I love the windscreen on the Indian.
Polaris was very shrewd purchasing the rights to Indian. Victory didn't make it. I tried to like Victory but too ugly.
Polaris has used nostalgic looks with modern design. Smart. I don't care about all the fancy electronics ,I ride a Road King no radio, no nuthin' ok cruise control. Harley can't afford to go too modern too fast. People won't buy it. ( V-ROD engine was originally going to be a V4 , early 80's Evo motor won)
But competition is great for all , except the prices of course.
Harley's new ADV and Nekkid bikes . Gotta stay relevant. The bubble burst .
Good comparison.
Luckily the Indian didn't fall over (the side stand isn't down fully) never rode a Harley but love my Indian.
I guess I’m Harley bias:
Just used too Harley styling .
I think Harley has a much better dealer network out on the road .🤠❤️👍🏻✊👌🙏🏻
Guess you need a good network if your bikes are always failing apart
Dave Sunderland haha Polaris is known for poor engineering your comment shows either blind bias or stupidity I ride across country never had a Harley leave me stranded.. that said it’s all machines all can break... it’s nice not to be 12 hours from a dealership
Dave Sunderland...really...that’s a very overused false comment.
BreakoutPete no it’s not... even looo g before Polaris bought the right to the Indian name did you ever work in one of their 4 wheelers??? It’s akin to the gold wings removing the motor to replace the starter except a millions times over... Indians that the dealership takes weeks to even understand the problem software issues the keep the bike from starting having to remove replace the master fuse catching fire issues... all are machines none are perfect but to say Polaris doesn’t have major issues is wrong
Steve Xaxa ...👍🍻
I like the Chief emblem on the front fender
Yea Polaris was trying to decide between the Chief Emblem and Liz, Pocahontas Warren, emblem. I think they made the right choice
It's a Ford Chevy thing Harley needs some competition anyway.
pretty cool thanks Jerry
Thanks, Jerry, I ride a Street Glide too and agree, I wish they hadn't gone to the hydraulic clutch. The cable clutch was much easier to use. I've gotten used to how to feather the hydraulic clutch but really was a learning curve!
Get yourself a softbrake clutch lever. The best 50 bucks you can spend. softbrake.com
@@motorman857 Looking at them and thinking of getting it but I have large hands and long fingers. You still think it would be better for me?.......Nevermind, I ordered one to find out. :)
@@motorman857 Well, I ordered the Soft Brake lever from the site you showed which was costing $81.95 total which I was okay with, but then they called me and said I had to give them a credit card number so they could charge a $50 deposit on the return of my original lever within 10 days or else have another $50 charged to my credit card! No where on their site did I see anything about it being an exchange but I told them I considered this to be a scam and to refund my Paypal payment! I'd like to have tried it but not at that risk.
@@petekeener8943 Actually, it shows on their web site there is a core charge. That's because if you don't send your stock clutch lever back, they would have to charge your credit card the 50 dollars. I've ordered 5 of these levers and always sent back the stock lever so there was never a charge on my credit card. Had I NOT sent back the stock lever, I would have been charged, understandably 50 dollars more. I have sent 100's of people to softbrake and no one has ever been scammed. It sounds like a simple misunderstanding.
That blue color is amazing
I don't have either, no plans to own a 850 pound motorcycle. I enjoyed the test rides on the Indians, they were comfortable.
Hey Jerry, is that the Honda VTX Vanguard badge design on your jacket? It looks just like it.
Yes it is a VTX Honda jacket.
Great review, Motorman. The only thing that would make it better is if you had a 116. This is certainly a Ford vs Chevy scenario. 👊🏻
Loved my Springfield, but HAAATED the engine heat. I'm very interested in the Challenger though
A question for the cross country riders. Has the Indian dealer network become more available as we travel? Seems like you can always find a H D dealer .
Owned a 15 Roadmaster for nearly 3 seasons, never needed a dealer, recently traded it in on a Kawasaki because I couldn’t afford the brand anymore. Had 41,333 when I traded, key fob, and abs sensor were my only two issues that I repaired myself. Two other minor issues were seepage from injector o rings, and a little seepage from oil cooler lines and stator harness plug. Just kept it cleaned off. Just ride em!
@@Kwhopperfan My concern is more mundane. You might need a tire, or an "oilchange "
I didn’t think of that part, I’ve never used a dealer for general maintenance, I used local shops on all my bikes for tires that were cheaper than the big brand dealers before I bought the basic tools needed to do them myself. I don’t have the luxury of traveling cross country or at least not exceeding tire life on any single trip so tires and oil changes were always done before or after any “big trip” being only 1,500 to 2,000 miles in 4 to 5 days..
Competition is good. Nice harley offering more electronic safety electronics.
Have you seen that new lean angle thing they're both doing now? That's so fucking cool. I wish I had that on my 18 springfield.
Nice, quick, and dirty comparison. I owned lots of Harleys for over 30 years, mostly Softails. My last one was a Fatbob though, and probably the best handling HD I ever owned. Then I bought a Chief Vintage to compliment the Fatbob, and eventually traded that on a Chieftain. So now two Indians. Even now, I think HD has a bit better finish, but I love the look of the valanced fenders, the suspension, and the Indian engines are a work of art. Also, the HD in this comparison is 114 cube, compared to a stock 111 (not even a stage 1 kit on it). So it's going to be a little "less" right off the bat. That said, I agree the throttle control is totally different on the Indians, and can take a little to get used to. I'm keen to test the Challenger, but for now, I'm happy with my mini "tribe" :) ua-cam.com/video/c0x8rmQQ3_0/v-deo.html
Not any more...the 116 now comes standard in most of the big bikes from Indian for 2020
@@mattshaggs2931 What does "not any more" have to do with my comment? Besides, the 116 (stock, not kit) is not relevant to the comparison Jerry did.
@@roar666 No need to get your panties in a bunch, pal.
You said stock 111...the 116 is now stock in most bikes. No, it doesn't have anything to do with the review Jerry did...it pertained to your comment about the 111 being a little less that the 114 off the bat...and that's why I mentioned that now the 116 is standard and would make up for any "less" the Indian 111 felt.
@@roar666 116 as opposed to 111. The newer, bigger Indian Thunderstroke engines are performing better too
@@Beastius24 what's a "116"? The Chieftain in the video is a stock 111 🤔
yea elc issuse eng light always comes on rear cylender alway get hot buns my right they it friking havey thay wont fix kick stand make it right. wish i would bought harley .
Victory was a good motorcycle, Indian is just a name brand that Polaris bought. Doesn't take anything away from the bike by what it's called, but doesn't add historical value either.
guys does the history or brand name really matter? What matters is the product you’re about to lay your hard earned money down on. Both brands sell a great product, as does several other manufacturers, we just need to do our due diligence and figure out which bike is best for us. The bike that’s best for me may not be best for you. It’s awesome that we have choices and able to support many different companies, which in turn evolve, improve and continue to provide us with choices. It would be boring if there was only 1 brand monopolizing the motorcycle market and restricting our purchase options. All motorcycles brands and models are great, people are unique and are best suited to various models based on personal preference. Thank god for our unique tastes and personalities, it keeps life extremely interesting .
Love these videos and subsequent debates/opinions, please keep em coming and let’s all not forget that we’re all brothers on this Chanel that share the same passion for the way motorcycling makes us feel, not a single motorcycle brand, but motorcycling in general.
Ride safe and ride often brothers.
@@Shaken_AND_Stirred H-D was owned by AMF, then bought them back.Polaris bought the branding of Indian, then brought it into the present, maintaining the original styling. But, it is an original bike in the sense, other than the looks ( front fender ) it's a completely original bike. Believe me, I had a '47 Chief as my first bike... the NEW Indian shares nothing mechanically remotely near the original. Yeah, they capitalized on a name, and it seems like a wise decision, it's working for them. Jus sayin'.
Nice vid. People are funny as you said. I had an HD & for the last 2 plus years I have a Indian Springfield & it’s some machine. Still would like to own both. Either way as long as we have our health and can ride that’s what it’s all about. Both are great bikes & thankfully they keep making them better.
I was thinking of upgrading my 2010 RoadKing to a Street Glide of a Indian Chief
If you like how the Roadking is, the direct competitor to that would be the Springfield. Comes with the windshield that's quick detatch.
Let the comments fly!!
Nice ride, but I keep my fatboy 10+ years, sometimes I wonder it’s more about the driver 😎
I put legends shocks on my rear totally worth it
Jerry, you talked about the heel toe shifter I would like to see you do a video on that, I have a 2011 flhtp and I just started shifting that way and I hope I am doing it correctly, maybe there is no wrong way but I would like to see that, thanks your vidoes have helped me a lot.
Hey! I also have a 2011 flhtp - birch white/vivid black. It was love at first sight and she's been an amazing ride. Once you get used to the heel-toe shifter it's hard to ride any other way. HAH.
C'mon. You use your toe to down shift and your heel to up shift.
@@motorman857 Hey it was just an idea.
@@zanetorrence3729 Mine is the same, the heel toe shifting I just started never tried it before.
Victory made a excellent motorcycle
We need camera girl so we can hear the other guy 🤔
He should do a "true" comparison, he used a Harley with the bigger engine, should have used the 116. He says he teaches classes, but yet said the HD handled better at low speeds, the chieftain actually handles better at all speeds. The Street Glide is a great Bike, and you can get the base model about 3/4 the cost of the chieftain.
I've got an Electra-glide so I'm biased. That being said the Harley handles better, has more horsepower and better throttle response. Game over in my book.
Is this Pro-Guards Engine Guard Protective Covers on the Indian. It says it fits Harley in your website. Does it fit Indian as well ?
If your crash bars for the front are 1-1/4" they will fit.
Where was y'all riding at....looked amazing.....one question...if you wanted to go on a long (interstate) trip which would you choose ??
We were riding to Pine Island Hernando county Fl. I'd take the Harley because it can be serviced anywhere in the country.
Thanks for the review Jerry
One thing worth noting might be that Indian bikes currently have a better customer satisfaction rating than Harleys... that is to say, they seem to have less mechanical issues. Nothing worse than spending a ton of money on a new toy and then having to spend a bunch more to FIX the thing.
#Motorman: Do you think (or have you HEARD any rumors) we might see Indian get back into the police market in the near future?
Yes the Indian police chief and I had a meeting in which they asked me to design....ok I'm kidding. I wouldn't know anything about that.
Elkhart Indiana is currently using the Indians for their motor officers but not sure if they're others.
Which model are they running, Marty?
Chieftain Classics
That old myth that Harley break down is no longer valid . Like Jerry said we all have our preferences. If that’s the bike that makes you happy then that’s is all that matters .
If you’re going to interview someone and you expect people to hear their opinions please make sure their mic up.
How long have you rode the Harley? How long have you rode the Indian? Hard to turn huh? Professional?
Fair enough review. Best regards!
How’s the air-conditioning you being in Florida and all is it as good as the Harley
Yup the A/C's fine.
Jerry , what tire do like best?
Round ones.
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Thanos Etsitty I was so little the first time I heard that I was too young to laugh I just rolled over and shit
The H-D has a budget built engine from the factory. Don't know about the Indian.
Heel and toe shifter on my 2013 Road King is completely ignored.
bluesy1234 First thing I did on my Road King was remove the heel shifter.
Was the Indian in sport mode?
I don't know.
@@motorman857 I know that the bike has a lot more power with the sport mode on
I like the Indian, except that front fender. It looks like something off my great Grandpa's car, and I'm nearly 50.
I guess you either love it or hate it. That old school front fender was the deciding factor in buying my Indian Springfield. It completes the retro look of the bike. I just love it and it's what people usually point out when they look at my bike...."that fender is NICE!"
Am I the only guy in America who rides a Triumph Rocket III????
Go to Shadtree Surgeon's UA-cam channel. He rides one.
@@alanlevesque7180 Let me rephrase: Am I the only former motor cop who rides a Triumph Rocket III?"
Bay port- weeki wachee
Its a ford chevy thing
Not as quick?! IT'S A 111 NOT A 114. And you're not sure? Winner Indian.
It's seems like Indian is trying to copy HD. Looks like a Street Glide. Hummm.
I think Indians are good but I prefer hd...
The big advantage of owning a Harley is the huge aftermarket selection that allows you to change the seat, handlebars, foot controls to fit each individual Harley rider vs buying an Indian big twin.
I don't know why people say Indian doesn't have aftermarket or are you people just too lazy to look so you can justify sucking on that Harley logo? Anything that's customizable on an Indian has huge aftermarket. Want a different seat? Corbin, Mustang, Saddlemen, Ultimate Seats, SS Custom Cycle.
Handle Bars? Indian alone makes different sets. Dirty Bird makes them. Arleness, Klockwerks (or however you spell their weird name). Foot controls? Can't name them all off the top of my head but Arleness and Kuryakyn pretty much have every aspect of that covered.
Want performance? We got about 5 companies making cams. Countless that make Intakes. Hell Lloydz even makes his own Big Bore Kit (121ci) and if you want to get crazy, has a bolt on super charger kit for the TS111 engines.
Oh but what about windshields, ya we got like 4 companies making those. Want a custom leather crotch saver that blocks off the rear head? Ya we got that too.
Exuast? 3 companies making True Duals last I checked (I have the freedom set), I forget how many are making x-pipes, probably close to 10 companies making slip on mufflers, so you get the sound you want. Bassani, Rinehart, Rush, Cobra, Vance n Hines, Freedom, Indian Aftermarket, Dirty Birds, Tab Performance, Dr. Jekill & Mr. Hyde just off the top of my head.
www.indianmotorcycles.net/threads/indian-links-master-list.269308/
literally spend a few minutes fact checking your dumb statements.
I owned a 2018 Roadmaster, I traded that piece of cheap built plastic crap for my 2019 Roadglide ultra. The Indian was cheap paint,chrome and the fit and finish sucked. The specs. They give on the Indian are so overrated. My Roadglide ultra is 10 times the quality and I can run circles around that indian with it. That's my knowing opinion. I gave Indian a try. I rode it 1500 miles,had it for 9 months. I paid $29,000. For it and got high book of $20,000 on trade in.. That was a mistake I wont do again. Say what you will about the Indian. Definitely do your HOMEWORK before buying, go ride both of them a few times before buying. Also really look at the quality. Harley is much better in my honest review..
Funny, I traded a Road Glide for an Indian and have never been happier. Indian's quality is so much better, their service and sales are better and they give you more value for your money.
Jerry ride the Challenger!
Bring it over and I'll take it for a ride.
@@motorman857 Would if I could.
No matter what bike you ride, hopefully you ride it more than 5,000 miles each year! 🤣
How about if your a doctor with a new practice, who works 6 and a half days a week and has a wife and 3 little kids and very little free time?
In that case, 5,000 is probably too much.
Easier said in Florida than in the northeast.
I would get an Indian if I thought I were buying an Indian, but instead I would feel like I would be getting something that is desperately trying to be a Harley and fails at being an Indian first (whatever company that is that died a long time ago). This isn't to say that the current invention of the company does not produce a good bike but to me it just makes sense to just get a Harley.
Statements like this are autistic as fuck at best. You do realize everyone at Harley who made Harleys are dead right? It's not the same company it used to be. It's not run by the same people it used to be. Hell it wasn't even owned by the Harley family for years when AMF came in and bought them.
Do you say stupid shit like this when you buy your Dodge that hasn't been owned by Dodge in decades? Almost no company who has bee making anything in the automotive industry is still the original owner or face of the company. If you want to be a fanboy over your brand, by a company who doesn't even know who you are, just fucking say it. I don't know what it is with Harley fags who have to go out of their way to come up with every little excuse they can find to justify them owning a Harley bike. It's a bike. It has 2 wheels, no one gives a shit about that stupid fucking badge you guys like to suck off.