The Most Powerful Beings in the Dune Universe
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2020
- They'll be a few minor spoilers in this one, guys. As I said earlier, power in Dune is not typically discussed in these terms, but considering the fact that there are several characters in the Dune universe who would seem superhuman if they were to appear in real life, maybe it's actually an interesting topic. So I thought it would be fun to rank the characters. Let’s go from least powerful to most powerful. Also, I will only be discussing Frank Herbert’s Original six Dune books for this video!
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You guys are right! Murbella should have been AT LEAST honorable mentions! My bad!
I LOVE U QUINN
Can u sneak in Miles Teg pls
Yaaasss! I missed Murbella but great list!
No worries. This list was great! I really love the content you put out. You've even convinced me to give Hyperion a shot (though I didn't love the two-book series I read from the same author).
Love the vids! Can you do one explaining the differences between Other Memory and Ancestral Memory, please?
The movie was so good that it got me watching all sorts of videos about the lore
Right? I’m on my like 15th video now
@@annette4718 yeah now we’ll be ready when the sequels come in a few years
Ditto…and I still can’t believe how much more to go. Thankfully, Quinn can guide us on the journey! Loving it!
@@thechosenone711 few years? Ugh that long?
same here! totally hooked!
After reading all the Frank Herbert books, it felt like Leto II was the central figure in that universe, extending his influence not only far into the future, but into the past as well.
He doesn't "influence" the past.
@@georgegrogee5991 I seem to recall passages where he communicated with people in the past, and even helped Paul foil an assassination attempt on an infant Leto II's life.
@@CSGraves his ancestral memories were fully conscious in him at all times, they could even speak through him. Paul, Duke Leto I, and Jessica once spoke to Hayt (Duncan) through him.
He had the power to relive ancestral memories. He "attended" performances by Beethoven and Mozart, and extraordinary sexual orgies. But he couldn't communicate with the past, it was just memories.
The FIRST Leto II was killed by the sarducar (spelling?)
The more famous Leto II (the God-Emperor) who was just hours old was able to mentally connect with his father (recently blinded, twice) so Paul could see through his son's eyes to kill a facedancer who was attempting to blackmail him into abdicating (Dune Messiah)
@@georgegrogee5991 Well, it _has_ been about a decade since I last read God Emperor etc... I think somewhere I got the impression that Leto II's abilities extended a bit beyond ancestral memory even. (shrug)
@D C Well, if one considers the Brian Herbert books to be canon. *coughcough*
My father loved Dune. I was too young to grasp it. He passed away 15 years ago. You ignited my interest in this fantastic epic. Thank you!
Your father would be disappointed in you
I also got my love of Dune from my dad
@@logicalasian284 Ight bro who asked you
@@logicalasian284 ? I read dune in 3rd grade and understood none of it, took me until start of middle school to grasp it. What a pathetic thing to say to someone
The sleeper has awoken.
The most powerful being is sand.
Even Anakin couldn't beat it
Yes like up in the bedroom was heard a scream "Who put Sand in the Vaseline"
Shai hulud eats sand for breakfast
Don’t you mean the high ground
I have a feeling a lot of Dune movie reviews will just be "I dont like sand"
It's Over Leto, I Have the High Ground!
Alya was one of my favorite characters. I absolutely FELT how she was abandoned by her mother.
Alia*
Jessica was such a jackass for this. She created this monster then abandoned her.
@@matthewsmith1779 I also think her addiction to spice and prescience was a big factor. She tried to grip control too tightly. Her duties as the head priestess also contributed. I thought it strange at the end of children of dune when she went to a child’s voice. Was she not herself as a teenager/young adult for years?
I think Paul’s handling of prescience was interesting. For a while he was blind, but then he got the visions back. He was used by the universe to assist Leto II.
@@rahulshah1408
Paul saw the golden path and rejected it. He felt he had given enough and didn't want to take that burden on himself.
Leto II kind of resented him for burdening his son with something he could and should have done.
@@matthewsmith1779 agreed. And even though Paul was not willing to lose his humanity directly, he was on the golden path to assist Leto in children of Dune.
Thanks for the reply. :)
Alia. Truly the most tragic character. Potential, confusion/vulnerability, and then possessed in exhaustion. Cried along with Duncan
Leto II. The fact that he intentionally made humanity despise him as a tyrant for the greater good of their preservation speaks volumes on his ability to wield power-and expecting nothing in return. A true hero and self-sacrificing saint in every sense of the word. Doing good but doing it not for your own ego but being selfless about it is one of the highest forms of honor.
You keep on delivering, nice! Can’t wait on your thoughts on Chapterhouse, I loved it!
Although Frank Herbert died before completing his version of the overall story, I think Murbella should be given honorable mention. At the end, by her overall combined Bene Gesserit and Honored Matre force, she takes over leadership of both the Bene Gesserit and the Honored Matres, although some will not accept her. Using a somewhat weak Star Trek analogy, it's like a being with the most superior logic of a vulcan combined with superior human emotional intuition. She becomes a reverend mother and has all the training of both the Bene Gesserit and the Honored Matres. She also receives all of Odrade's memories before Odrade dies.
Murbella definitely was top tier fighter for what she did in the aftermath of "the weapon" to take leadership.
I really think murbella is a strong contender for the top spot, or really at very least just under Paul. Nobody else has her training and her experience.
Odrade is on the list, and rightfully so, but she was helpless at the hands of people murbella dispatched so quickly most of the room didn't even have time to process what they saw. I think this is a big oversight.
It's more like Klingons and Vulcans becoming one. Superior strength in and battle prowess combined with ultimate logic and science. If you cross a human with a vulcan you basically get a Romulan.
@@RingoLoadagainActually, if you cross a human with a Vulcan you get Spock. Literally. 😉
I agree, in terms of raw fighting power Murbella would easily dispatch everyone on this list except for worm-form Leto (maybe Teg could outspeed her though). The HMs improved themselves in very different ways to the BGs, and while the BGs have way more control over their bodies, the HMs have far more raw power. So a combination of both is going to be incredibly strong.
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Watching your channel grow has been amazing. Great video, and great work in general!
Great video. Since I discovered your Channel about 2 months ago I just been blown away by the detail the accuracy just amazing.
Dude, I would pay large amounts of money for a audio book of all the Dune novels narrated by you. Seriously, you need to contact the Herbert Family and see if they'll license it.
Yes! Your speech caedence is great, and your voice is soothing.
I concur
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i like the way you tell the story with you lil friend. you made it different enough to make it interesting since ive never heard of the dune books. good job
I love the format of your videos!!! They sort of give me TV vibes
I've just subscribed after listening to your Dune vid yesterday , my daughter said she could listen to you all day !!
Quinn, I really dig your videos and persona. What I'd give to have friends to discuss such awesome universes and stories.
Totally should do a video of certain philosophies in the Dune universe. Adds hue and shading to an otherwise near perfect picture/story
I love the new direction you’ve taken the channel in.
Quinn I appreciate you for being exactly who you are. I remember watching your channel early in the game of thrones TV series. Your videos made me want to read through the books to find the good stuff that the “Show Watchers” are missing. I also watched your Dune videos and You introduced me to Dune. I grow up and now I get to see a Dune movie???!!! Wow 🤩
I absolutely love listening to you!!!!!! Thank you for all of the wonderful Lovecraft and Dune info and insights!!!!!!!!
Everyone's lists are awesome. This channel rocks. Quinn rules.
Hahaha this intro was awesome! 😄😄 Loved the video! Came across your channel when you were talking about ASOIAF and so glad you switched to the Dune series! Bought my copy and reading it tomorrow! 🎊🥳 So excited!
Really enjoyed your discussion, wonderfully insightful.
In terms of a battle royale, don't forget about Fenring. He was considered a real threat to Paul in duelling.
insert gif *thank you while slapping a ppor innocent table*
Mmmmmm I guess
I think in the matters of duel fights all of the chatacters before Heretics are kinda irrelevant (except for God Emperor of course, he still comes on top). It's heavily implied that even in the old empire after thousands of years martial arts have really evolved, and all of the older heroes, as powerful as they were, are now feared and respected for their wisdom and prescient abilities, not for physical power. In this regard the top would be Leto II, then (close second) Miles Teg, and then, afret a big gap, probably Lucilla or Murbella, as it's shown that Honored Matre's reflexes and physical abilities are ahead of an average Reverned Mother's, but Lucilla was able to easily overpower Murbella before her bene gesserit training (and we know that after it the latter became the most powerful in both sisterhoods)
@@johnro5650 lol
Your videos are excellent. Thanks for the great ideas and videos.
Thank you for all your epic works on these novels.
My favorite character in the Dune books has always been Alia. Her story has always been so tragic! Born immensely powerful but surrounded by strife and violence since birth. To be the one to kill Duke Harkonnen, only to be killed by his influence in the future.
I think her brief moments of happiness was during her marriage to Duncan Idaho… hope you could do a video discussing Alia and/or Ganima
Organism's character development, little bits of philosophy, and a showdown of the most powerful characters all under 10 min. Good shtuff.
I like the content, but not the Organism schtick
Man, i love your videos. Thank you. Thanks for being Objective about it.
Love your in depth discussions of sci-fi books. ❤️
I love the direction your channel is going, this is super fun!
As soon as I saw that you were only including the original 6, I thought of the God Emperor's enigmatic little statement: "Who has heard of Norma Cenva?"
Yeah, if you include the other books, she would win and leto II would be second.
@@sfamerken12
For sure. Of course, you'd have to throw in a discussion about Omnius, the Cymeks maybe.... It's a whole different world. I like the expanded books, but it's not the same type of story.
@@Mentat1231 no doubt the list would be longer.
@fluoxy L. Nah, I personally don't consider the extended books to be canon. There are inconsistencies that make (at least Hunters and Sandworms) feel off. I don't believe that was the direction FH wanted the story to go in.
@Jason Baryla
I don't fully agree, but I do think they wrecked the ending in Sandworms and failed to understand the core point(s) or the Dune saga.
Just found your videos and I like them man! Keep it going!
I've been binging your videos for the past few days. Great work! I think if you're into Dune and Hyperion you'd LOVE Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun.
It’s been awhile since I read this series but one of the themes I liked about it was that despite all the meticulous planning involved to create a super being that would propel humanity forward, it was love that set things in motion. Jessica loved Leto and bore him Paul, and if I recall, Odrade experienced feelings of love and compassion which the other Bene Gesserit saw as a flaw but ultimately Odrade ends up being one of the most important figures in the Dune universe.
Probably one of the best lines of the whole series is when the god emperor asks one of the bene gesserit
"where did you get the spice essence? it hasnt been available for thousands of years."
"Waste not, want not." Was the reply
Where did they get it from?
@@EMPERORSPROTECTION-TERRA4LIFE waste not, want not.
@@jaharabegum3281 hilarious. Where did it come from though? You don't know do you?
@@EMPERORSPROTECTION-TERRA4LIFE Waste not, want not.
@@Tardig again you don't know do you?
You are amazing! Love these vids!
You’re a cool dude. Don’t ever stop. Love all your work.
Miles Teg is probably my favorite character in Dune. His second form probably becomes more powerful than the first, but we'll never truly know.
I just have to say the Quinn’s Clues format does work for your show. I would love to read lines for this episode for you for this part. Your demeanor is a lot more like Dr. Tyson in this format, which I also appreciate anyway,you remain one of my favorite UA-camrs an outstanding representative of our more adventurous personality types in the black community and I am totally stoked about your announcements entering into the science fiction. Writing world needs to be more of us as well as the girls.
Quinn, just found you after watching the new dune movie, good work my guy these videos are great, keep it up you’ve gained a sub.
Your channel is great
One of the best sci fi fantasy channels on yt
Keep up the great work!
Yeah very cool topic. I'd love to see a tier 2 or 3 version on this theme...ranking the power levels of normal humans who had special training, etc.
i'm surprisd that you did not mention the Space Guild's Navigators too. We learnt in book one and two that they have prescience too, their main weakness being to be unabble to get their own production of spice and that obliges them to obey whoever is the emperor of Arrakis..however their game in the first book betraying Shaddam the fourth reveals how they can choose this emperor.
This was excellent. subscribed
Nicely done!
Ah! I always forget about Daniel and Marty. No doubt they're messing with my memories.
Historians can acquire a very special physical power, exercised with pen and paper, to better control the historical narrative presented to future generations. This special power can often be overlooked, yet Leto ii seemed to pay peculiar attention to this fact and even exercised such power as he saw fit. The ability to drastically influence a far distant future people by conjuring myths and legends is a current feature of our society today. Good work on the list!
I’ve been watching you for a year and I’ve been loving your coverage.
I just started chapter house like 10 minutes ago lol.
Fantastic video yet again ! You the bomb dude !
And now the most powerful beings from the Brian Herbert / Kevin J Anderson expanded Dune universe:
1. Super mega robot wizard time traveling ghola Paul Atreides with laser guns for arms.
2. Super duper mega ultra robot android Kwisatz haderach ultra spice laser gun pew pew pew Duncan Idaho.
3. Hyper mega robo oracle of time ultra spice android worm with mechanical laser gun teeth Agamemnon robot android warp drive Norma Cenva.
You have perfectly encapsulated everything wrong with the Brevin books
Jesus christ...
I have not (and likely will not) read the expanded Dune books...I've heard they were bad, but...are they really that bad? LOL a 12 year old's version of Dune is what is kinda sounds like.
@@tammichenard1024 no/ Frank Herbert would have wrote the Expanded Dune books but Brian found notes and floppy disks in a safety deposit box. try reading them. The Dune Encyclopedia isnt canon too. but is received happily
@@waynestumbo2408 Nowadays it seems to be a thing for people to hate or make fun of the Expanded Dune books. Never mind they were all best sellers, so SOMEONE must have liked them. I'm one. No, they're not exactly the same style as Frank. They kind of tried to copy his style a little in the House books, but I preferred when they went their own way in the other prequels and the sequels. The only ones I didn't really care for were the ones that took place between Dune and Dune Messiah. But that's just me. The Machine Crusade books, Guild books, and the sequels based on Frank's notes are well worth the read. In my opinion. These books don't deserve the hate they get. And Wayne is totally right...The Dune Encyclopedia is NOT canon! Frank liked it and allowed it, but said it was not the way he was going. I don't understand why so many people embrace that book but hate Brian and Kevin's work. I know Frank didn't hate Brian's stuff, since they worked together themselves. But...Haters gonna hate.
I think we missed Ghanima...she should have been after Alia.
@fluoxy L. Ghanima is very overlooked, but primarily by Frank himself. She was a very underutilized and neglected character. So I sort of understand why people often forget her
fluoxy L. Periodttt 💯
@@chrisward9218 Seems like she only existed to produce Atreides descendants since Leito couldn't do it himself.
@@erubin100 That's true but that is my point. I think that there was room for her to be a very interesting character but she just ended up being a baby factory
She could have been in Leto shoes (cart?) since the only reason why Leto went to Jacurutu and she stayed is because the Corrino tigers wounded Ghanima, but not Leto. If Leto was the one wounded she would have to endure the metamorphosis in his place, for their plan to work.
Great content man!
love your vids man!
Mate this is always interesting
1. Leto II post-Jacurutu
2. Miles Teg post-probe (I think Quinn forgot he can see no-ships, thus developing a prescience beyond even Leto II's)
3. Final Form Duncan (who is also the only truly tolerable Duncan, imho)
4. Paul as the Preacher
5. Mother Superior Murbella
6. Reverend Mother Sheanna
7. Mother Superior Odrade
8. Alia pre-Abomination
I agree with everything. With the exception of who should be number one. Norma Cenva who became the Oracle of Time,. She is actually is the one who perfected the Holtzman engines that are able to fold space. She also created the the Spacing Guild and and was the real designer of Guild Ships. She also founded the Bene Gesserit. She was the first one to tap into the memories of every female ancestor.
She had a lot of other inventions and also created weapons that helped defeat the thinking machines. She evolves into a being of pure thought
@@ddillard143 unfortunately she wasn't in original series by F.Herbert himself.
@@behzad52002 true. But she was in the dune series. And this video is drawing from the Dune universe not the original Dune trilogy
@@ddillard143 i agree ,she is probably the most powerful being in dune series. I just highlighted Quin point (1.55 i guess) "he would just consider characters from original 6 book written by F.Herbert,himself"
@@ddillard143 he said at beginning that he only goes by 6 original books.
I love you man! Thanks for the update, keep kicking ass, stay well, looking forward to the conclusion to Frank's work. Please do cover the other stuff like Brian's work from "a perspective" of interest noncannonical to Frank's work. After all history is written by the winners.
My main man. Looking forward to chapter house. I’ve been spamming your other videos to catch up on everything.
* Count Fenring enters the chat *
I've talked about Teg to others and I think you are missing a few key things about him. He was an unrealized KH who could bridge time and space physically and had a limited prescience. Teg is stated to be able to come up with a winning strategy to any conflict for the Bene Gesserit or the mission at hand immediately which is why the Bene Gesserit brought him back. Teg can see No ships which means he is able to bridge time and space in a way no other KH can. He also has a form of prescience that allows him to have a form of double vision that shows him short term possible outcomes. The last KH power that is mistaken as super speed but is never stated as such by Frank Herbert is his ability to move through Space and Time that appears as if he is moving fast.
I know what you are thinking.... Hold up, what you talking about Willis?
Teg actually is slowing down time and then is moving through it. Frank Herbert also states that it appears he is blinking at times from one spot to the next. Read Heretics again and you'll catch it. We, as the audience, assume that Teg has been granted with super speed but I think this was intentional and would have been brought further out in the seventh book. No other KH had this ability as all the KH abilities were simply in the mind and not the physical body. Moving across space and time physically has a greater metabolism cost and the longer Teg maintains it the greater the cost.
Teg is an interesting look at where Frank Herbert was headed with the subject of KHs. We had Duncan who was becoming one and Teg who I think was well on his way too.
Also, I find it interesting that Teg's awakening is also similar to receiving the Water of Life.
I believe Frank Herbert was setting Teg up to end up being the Oracle who would have gathered the Navigators as a force. Makes sense now, doesn't it? A being who could cross space and time physically, able to define paths, able to see No Ships, and define winning strategies instantly.
Yeah, I think Frank Herbert made mention of the Oracle in his notes and Brian Herbert didn't connect the dots and thus made a whole new character.
Teg was the Oracle and probably the Ultimate KH.
The world would be 1.5% better off overall if Frank Herbert lived a little more time just enough to finish the Dune series.
great video Quinn; if it hasn't been recommended, a video each of the powerhouses in Dune, like CHOAM
I love your channel man. I could sleep on a bed of your voice
Next time: Rosencrantz VERSUS Guildenstern
This.
Well, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead so we can assume it was a tie
In high school we had a quiz at the end of each act of _Hamlet._ One quiz had a section of quotes and we had to identify who said each one. Now how the _fuck_ am I supposed to remember which line was Rosencrantz's and which was Guildenstern's?
But Hamlet beats them both.
Should have used the famous painting "American Gothic" as the depiction for Daniel and Marty.
I wonder what franks original plan for them was
@@Trapsarentgay133 we'll never know
*cries in Tleilaxu whistle-signals*
Lee Skinner for the ending i like the idea that once the no gene spread through humanity they would scatter again and because they were hidden from prescience humanity would never be completely controlled by one person and no one disaster could wipe them out
No, he should have used Matt Damon and Ben Afflak from Dogma
man thank you for your work.
Love your videos!
1. Leto II the Elder: Because he's a big practically indestructible monster man.
2. Miles Teg: Miles was a deadly fighter who could exist in an entirely different realm of time and movement. How do you fight someone too fast to see?
3. Murbella: Great Honored Matre AND Reverend Mother. Anybody within her reach was doomed.
4. Final Duncan: For all the reasons mentioned in the video.
5. Paul Muad'dib: Hey, he's like the main guy. He's got to be in the top 5, right?
6. Scytale: A Heretics-era Face Dancer, a Bene Tleilaxu Masheikh, and a repository of stolen memories.
7. Nayla: The only one on the list who can lay claim to killing God. That's got to count for something.
8. Alia: Technically very dangerous, but her various flaws keep her from the top of the list.
9. Siona: A product of Golden Path breeding, invisible to prescience, and capable of anything.
10. The Tleilaxu Kwisatz Haderach: We can only guess at his qualities, but if he actually fit the job title he must have been exceptionally dangerous.
This is a good list too. 👍🏻
I'm also of the opinion that Siona is more powerful and substantially more important than Jessica. Shout out to Scytale. Was having a conversation recently with a friend as to whether Teg is more powerful than the God Emperor and whether the final-final Duncan would be a combination of Teg/Paul/Leto II/Siona.
So agree! Excellent list.
LOL where are NORMA CENVA????
Teg is the most explosive and fastest but limited by energy. You just wear him down with waves of men. He will stop without food before long.
And I'd give Murbella an honorable mention, too. 😉
Marbella was a fucking ANIMAL!! In hand to hand combat, Leto II and Miles Teg are the only ones who could best her.
I was thinking the same thing. The power of odrade and the BG and the Honored matres
she would out place odrade if you ask me, she’s the ultimate combination of gesserit and matre. in hand to hand combat alone i think she might be only second to miles since he can move in the blink of an eye
Quinn, I am a fan and you've made me an even bigger fan of Dune.
Thank you for doing what you do.
Those background effects are awesome
*"Philosophy is interesting."*
True Chads know.
Chapterhouse is finally coming out!
Absolutely Outstanding!! Thank You!!
I really enjoy your videos and your narration. I have never read the books but I loved the old movie it was a huge movie as a kid and I love the lore.
I can’t believe Murbella isn’t in this list! The first Reverend Madre to become a Benne Gesserit! She even had the memories of Odrade! And Ghamina! She was almost as powerful as Leto! And what about Sheena! She could control the worms!! She deserves more than a mention! And she had the training of a Reverend Mother that get her amazing sexual powers! I can’t believe Ghamina and Murbella are out! They are more powerful than Jessica and Alia!
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I wonder if Sheana really "controlled" the worms, or if the worms, with the pearl of Leto II's consciousness, simply knew the path she was to take.
I pretty much agree with your ranking, and I like that your approach to "power" is more subtle than just "who'd win in a fight?" I will say I think Miles Teg or the final Duncan might beat Paul in a fight. And you didn't mention Ghanima, who is probably more powerful than Alia or Jessica. And what about Murbella (Honored Matre meets Bene Gesserit)? Maybe she's just in the expanded stuff... I don't remember for sure.
@@professorerudite
... Before he takes on the skin of the maker and begins transforming, sure.
Murbella became Mother Commander of the combined Sisterhood/ Honored Matres in Chapterhouse Dune.
Miles would whoop Paul's ass. Duncan thinks to himself how amazingly powerful trained humans are now because even Leto II's servant and majordomo Moneo is much faster than Duncans reaction speed and Duncan was the best swordsman in the universe in Dune 1. Add onto that a further couple thousand years of breeding and honing the fighting arts
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The Most Powerful Beings in the Dune Universe:
Spice
You mean the worm, it is it that all other powerful characters are derived, it is "the spice melange".
@@DeathBYDesign666 no. The actual spice. It kida Works like a virus. A neurotropic onde.
Surely you mean Posh Spice
Spoiler alert my dude
The giants poop ?! Lol
Paul could see every eventuality from the day Alia was born she should have been counseled on how to control the multiple personalities within her . Very sad how she was abandoned.
Love the content brother
Love these videos
Murbella and Scytale would have made my list. Both were pinnacles of their groups.
Murbella for me is 2 or 3 on the list after she gets the bene geserit reverend mother powers.
Wait, it's all Paul Atreides descendants?
Always has been
Technically, every single sand worm after Leto II is also a descendent of Paul. Even the crazy ocean worms.
I love your videos!
Greetings from North-Germany... thanks for all the time and work you put in this channel. I really enjoy your dedication for all this 👍.
Miles Teg was my favorite secondary character in the series.
I thought Miles Teg would be #2 after the God Emperor, he could literally kill an army by himself. I bought the hard cover of Chapterhouse when it first came out and only read it the one time, I need to go back and reread the series.
Talk about whatever you want, Quinn - it all comes across great!
Best channel I’ve randomly stumbled on all year.,
Just watched the documentary “Jodorowsky’s Dune” that guy is nuts
Thank you for only using Frank's. That whole Norma Cenva as the "oracle of time" completely killed what little faith I had in Brian's fan fiction...
I emphatically agree!! Seriously,.. torture an ugly women genius in just the right manner (what is this thing the Herbert's have about the benefits of torture??!??),.. and she immediately reincarnates as the most beautiful, powerful, psychic,... apparently immortal,.. being way past anything imaginable. So powerful that when the enemy does show,.. and is about to overrun and murder all of Humanity,.. in two paragraphs, the oracle shows up,.. grabs the enemy by it's ear,.. and they both are gone,.. apparently for good. I think this happens with writers whose ambitions exceed their abilities.
@@davidhunt7427 Unfortunately the OoT may have been a Frank idea. Then again the last two books were based on notes and possibly could have changed if Frank had finished the series.
@@MrMackievelli I know a few authors and can say notes rarely manifest in their original form, many of their plot points changed or were entirely cut by the time they actually started writing.
@@davidhunt7427 crazy how much like the Witcher that sounds.
@@adrianlemus2768 I am not familiar with the Witcher. How so?
On another Note; I'm not particularly impressed with the new Dune movie,.. and it annoys me that this is at least the 2nd remake,.. or the third time telling the same story. Uggh! Why not tell us about the *_Butlerian Jihad, The Machine Crusade & The Battle of Corrin_* trilogy where we _finally_ learn why the Dune Universe has the rule of *Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.* instead?! Moneybags probably thinks it simply safer to not do so.
Love you Quinn!
I totally agree, your video on Chapter house is indeed long overdue.
Idk, miles teg would def beat Paul atreides in a one on one
But I don’t think he’s prescient, am I wrong? That could help in battle I think..
Giovanni Franzetti miles teg’s prescient ability is irrelevant. What I think would happen is miles abilities would leave Paul’s prescient power with too many outcomes. Paul would have to will a winning outcome to survive, and with miles displaying all the outcomes in the fight. Paul wouldn’t be able to keep up.
A better fight would miles vs Leto ll (when he was just starting his worm transformation)
I agree. We see a progression throughout the series where humanity learns from the past and improves.
@@giovannifranzetti6214 He has a limited form of prescience, a "double-vision" which allowed him to see the near future in flashes. He might have been able to observe no-ships too, which even Leto II couldn't do.
Daniel and Marty aren't characters in Dune. Daniel and Marty fulfil the same function as Ali Ben Ohashi and his wife Nisai in the final pages of Dune. Daniel and Marty are the most powerful people in this universe because the have control over everything. The final words of Dune and Chapterhouse are devices used to let the audience know that Bev also wrote these stories. Frank Herbert's name is on the cover but Bev aka Marty, Nisai i just knocked the bong over it's everywhere
LOVE your videos Quinn! Have you ever thought about tackling the WH40k universe?
Super enjoyable vid. Thanks.