Aliens exist in Dune but they’re so few and far between that there are like remnants and whispers of their existence. Herbert wanted to make the point that even if they’re out there, the known universe is so big that we could go through all kinds of eras and thousands of years of ups and downs and still not ever get close to coming into contact with them.
In Dune, they didn't evolve into abominations. The only really weird ones were deliberately created. Leto II and Ghanima were a stroke of luck, with half of Paul's heritage and half of Chani's. Leto was changed by being completely dosed with Melange, adding the sandtrout, which gradually turned him into a Sandworm. Others were carefully bred, or even accidentally bred.
@@RealCodreX Both in truth have measures of realism in their storytelling and details, but both are still stories of worlds eons beyond what we could possibly truly predict and hope to humbly be certain of by any means. There, fixed it for both of you.
It is implied through the books that the humans in the dune universe are not much like current day humans, even the fremen have mutations that improve their coagulation, and given the variety of environments it's likely that humans in that future have bodies far more tolerant to extreme conditions, we tend to imagine them as modern humans, but I like to think that while they identify each other as humans, we probably would see them as aliens.
Yes I agree, along with their language. Comparing how different modern languages are from their ancient predecessor, one can only imagine how insane their language would sound to us, given its 10,000 year difference. As well as cultural norms, just beyond our comprehension. In this future, all AI and advanced tech were banished because of the war it started, hence why everything in Dune is man operated, which is why I think why Dune is still "recognizable" for readers because they had previously had insanely advanced tech, but reverted back to old ways after the war. Like if humanity now just went back to a hunter-gather civilization, that kind of switch.
Yes. By the time of Dune, even baseline humans have superior mental and physical abilities than current humans. I remember a line in the first novel where Piter mentions to the Baron that even he, a non-mentat, could match the computational abilities of ancient computers. Trained fighters like Swordmasters, Sardaukar, Bene Geserit and the Fremen have speed and reflexes much faster than us too.
@@Dei79371the time difference is actually around 22000 years not 10000, the movie events take place in 10191 After Guild, for reference the earth year 1960 is in 11300s Before Guild
Now think, there are already nations and men that treat their women like this. Women that have no saying on who to marry or when to marry. Bred just to be sold at 10 years of age, to a rich man to make kids. The only difference is that they are real.
Only one issue is... This iteration of Humanity has poor taste in regard to robotic fashion. I'm more of Prototype (game) and Transformers vibe when it comes to these subjects.
That is debatable, because Leto II said they were introduced to Arrakis, they were not native. The books don't tell where they are from, but they could have been introduced by humans.
Not really. I don't think that much of an argument can be made for sandworm intelligence until the ones that come after Leto II, and they're technically part human because of Leto. However, it's speculated in-universe that the sandworms may have been brought to Arakis by an alien race. They might even have been created by that race.
The more I study Dune, the more parallels I find with WH40k. Although of course there are the same number of differences. Thank you for an interesting video!👍
"Parallels" lol. Interesting way to describe one of the most litigious companies out there, Games Workshop, wilfully stealing huge sections of popular sci fi and fantasy fiction and mashing it together. Not complaining, I love 40k. But it does amuse me, how happy they are to sue others and try to claim the rights to things others created i.e. the entire concept and name of "Space Marines." It's lucky for them the Tolkien and Herbert families never tried to sue them lol. But, I can't complain. 40k is awesome. I heard a saying once that I feel applies here; "Good artists borrow. Great artists steal."
@@PumpkinHoard Tolkien may have invented/built the foundations for the modern fantasy genre but his own work itself is not entirely original either, he took great inspiration from older mythologies of europe mostly germanic, celtic and norse. no matter how we look at it nobody is 100% original, everything had a source from somewhere else.
@@FullMetalMudcrab True enough, but his take on things was *extremely* transformative. Just look at how "elves" were depicted prior to Tolkien compared to now lol. He literally created the modern idea of what an elf is and it's radically different to what it was previously.
As far as I remember, Paul never did awaken his Other Memories, only the Prescience. And Miles Teg was also a super-human related to the Atreides family. Unexpected.
Paul had Other Memories, of both his male and female line. Just like the pre-born, except he of course had a firmly established personality so that he wasn't in danger of losing himself and becoming possessed/abomination.
He does, he tells Jessica about having “millions and millions of lives” and there’s a few other mentions here and there where he accesses memories, or quietens the ‘voices’ of his ancestors when they clamour. And then there’s the biggest evidence; when he drinks the Water of Life, Jessica comes to revive him, and he makes her show him the Place where Reverend Mothers fear to look, but he as a MALE Reverend Mother can access - the Place is explained as being the male-line genetic memories
There were still the Gholas - clones made in axolotl tanks - and I recall reading a race of humans genetically altered , they had their immunity and smell organs altered to work at the sewage of a city. Oh yes, and the suk! Dude, you shuold make a part 2!
I don't think that suk doctors were different enough from baseline humans to really count. They're just doctors who have undergone special loyalty conditioning. Ghola aren't really any different either. They're the same as regular humans, except that they are genetic copies/resurrections of a dead person.
You forgot about the Golas and the briefly mentioned alien race encountered when a navigator is given the synthetic spice that interrupts navigation and they barely escape
@@uknowbass The stuff Brian Herbert writes is basically fan-fiction. Even though he claims it's based on notes that his father left, he's never shown those notes to anyone...
See I'd betray a duke to end the suffering of my spider wife, wish it was stated in the movie that those are the things they do to prisoiners. It'd make the harkonnens so unbearably evil so easily
@@parzavaal5335 I think that the hope of seeing his wife alive and well would be more likely to ensure Yueh's loyalty than the promise of mercy-killing her. So if it really was Yueh's wife (which I think would be a nice touch) I don't think that the Baron would have ever let Yueh know.
@@TheBigGangBang make some basic observations. Star Wars; Bene Gesserit and Honored Matres vs the Jedi and Sith with supernatural abilities running things from behind the scenes via a religious order, super humans, generational feuds, archaic weapons despite space travel, an entirely desert planet, sand people, on and on, particularly the first movie. War Hammer? The Golden Path of a super human dictator taking control for thousands of years to guide humanity in the right direction, archaic weapons despite space travel, super humans, the Benne Gesserit and Honored Matres versus Horace and all of the other factions that broke off, religious orders manipulating the populations, generational feuds, knowledge being lost to dogma, a war with thinking machines, space drugs, on and on. The more you look into War Hammer 40k, the more you realize it's just plagiarized ideas from other works in a blender with some cocaine, and protected legally under a thin layer of parody sprinkles.
Honestly, I find this future of humanity to be very interesting. After 21,000 years (10191 AG in the movie is equivalent to 23352 AD) humanity evolves into a multitude of subspecies, such as the Fremen, Mentats, Guild Navigators, etc. It makes sense too, since there were eight other subhuman species that lived alongside us Homo Sapiens before they went extinct (Homo Erectus, Homo Habilis, etc.)
I'll just go through transference and merge my conscience into Data Space. Then put my conscience into a machine. By doing so... "There are no strings on me." Prototype, the Flood, Ultron... That is my path of full brink evolution. "An experiment gone out of control", as they say. But in reality, it was all planned by my own hand.
We evolved intelligence because it was necessary for our survival as a species. We are the physically weakest of all primates based on size. I don't know how becoming a guild navigator would biologically make sense, we don't need to go through space to survive.
@@mindq4328 I saw about some lore and got interested in the dune world! I would be interested in the heirarchy and politics and stuff, like about empire and houses etc
@@noname6756 I can give You some advise - stay away from all the "DUNE" books that were written after Frank Herbert death. They ruin everything that he had in mind, along with his idea for "enemy" of Golden Path.
@@wesleyfilms borrowing concepts isn’t plagiarism really. HALO games did borrow a concept from Niven’s “Ringworld”, but nobody in their right mind would call that plagiarism because the stories themselves are vastly different.
@@Baddaby if they really just plagiarized something they would’ve been sued. Even if I know that the concept/idea was borrowed from another work of fiction it doesn’t really appear as a “crack” if it was handled properly. The ideas are similar, but Daemonculaba, for example, is its own thing that was put together by a different faction through a different process for a somewhat different purpose. If that’s plagiarism then 99% of literature is too. Plagiarism is a blatant one to one copy. And from what I know GW writers are smart enough to avoid doing that. And I’m not saying that because I’m their fan.
You know...Dune could be the creators of all future sentient alien life throughout the Galaxy, creating their own humanoid races much in the same vein as Star Wars or Star Trek universes.
So the sorceresses of rossak had telekinetic blasts sufficient to destroy cyborgs. They evolved into the Bene geserits. The Bene geserits promptly lost the power to hurl mind blasts in favour of their now more subtle biological control based abilities. Hmm... Ok.
That history was in a book written by herberts son not herbert himself, thus the change. Herberts bene gesserit werent telekinetic for sure. And their maybe sort of kind of telepathy like capability is limited to the spice agony ritual, where, while becoming a reverend mother, if another reverend mother who is about to die is present, the old one transfers her whole genetic memory to the new reverend mother to be.... somehow. Even then, as, a reverend mother can access to her female lines genetic memory, one can assume ritual might contain some blood exchange, though its not referred as that so probably not. And at another place, when alia appears in reverend mother gaius Helens mind, she says no to others(nonbenegesserits who have no idea about genetic memory which bene gesserit hide from public knowledge) assumption that alia might have telepathy, saying she is in my mind but its not telepathy. meaning, to the bene gesserit there, that, alia, as an abomination, is her own collective genetic memory in action/alive. Which is why people suspected pauls grandmother was said reverend mother gaius helen mohiam. Herbert didnt like direct/overt telekinesis telephaty it seems. If bene gesserit really were that telepathic, there would be no escaping from a truth trance interrogation, but it looks like there is. And its in the first book, where baron leaves Jessica and Paul to die in desert, to be able to say to the truthsayer of the emperror gaius helen mohiam, that, I didnt kill them, nor my men. But as he said to his own mentat, but arrakis is arrakis. And the suk Dr couldnt shield his feeling of guilt under his other feelings because jessica would be directly reading his mind not its side effects. We see these nonfrank herbert books, that changed the histeri from people using thinking machines enslavjng most of humanity, to, thinking makinesi enslaving humanity, sort of like a very good fanfiction of frank herberts books. An AU fanfiction.
Loved it, the style and music. A weird mix of Victorian, Gothic, Steampunk and sci-fi. It more accurately captured how i imagined it to be in my head when i was reading it. The Baron's behaviour was more true to the book in that film, a hint of his erm...tastes..when he rips out the boy's heart plug. Also, oddly, i prefer the more British accents (my own bias, i know). I find Chalamet's lazy US drawl and doe-eyed arrogance insufferable.
@richardlionheart3965 I haven't read the book, but I watched that version of the movie. It sure was a damn good movie, but at the same time watching it made me feel like when I was going to sleep and then waking up from anesthesia after an endoscopy ("the sleeper has awakened!" 😂). By that I mean the movie had some huge time skips that felt like I had missed some events. Btw, what's wrong with an American accent? 😂
I've read all the books (Franks, not his sons), seen the 84 Dune many times, watched the SciFi Channel series and the latest Dune movies. They are all great and do a good job telling the story. You can find fault in them all, but any time someone fleshes out a story I read visually, I am interested. 84 Dune is pretty awesome considering it's 40 years old. There wasn't much sci-fi like that back then when it was all campy sci-fi movies or Ewoks fighting storm troopers. 84 Dune was dark and sinister, had some really great concepts to think about. Bladerunner (original) felt that way to me too, like real science fiction, that makes you think deeply.
This is incredible! I need to read the books. I had no idea there were so many different sub types of humans, which are basically aliens to us. Thank you for the video. Subbed.
In essence yes, though the Tleliaxu at least have the decency to render the victims comatose. But chaos being chaos the suffering is probably an important ingredient.
@@miriamemanueleforneris3701 No i mean the daemomculaba aren't as dark as everyone makes it out. The story was written as a proper horror story which definitely helped, but people referring to them as one of the darkest parts of 40k are exaggerating. Maybe it's just because of a breeding kink or whatever but as far as stories involving baby factories the daemonculaba are pretty milquetoast.
@@logangrimnar3800i think it's because violating and dehumanizing and reduced to a machine for a singular purpose of breeding is in itself considered the worse thing ever by many people.
@@kennethsatria6607 I think she's being milked, maybe it's infused with spice making it a very valuable product. I wonder where he got this image from.
That pregnant-looking woman in the thumbnail reminds me of how Chaos Marines multiply, human's ability to craft something like this out of a book is horrifying
Especially on the Titans and Cymeks, kind of like my beloved Daleks from Dr Who.. and Megatron, Optimus Prime, the Berserker fleet and the time bending Terminator Nexus. We will all hear a lot more about these thinking machines in times to come
Great review....loved it. BUT I am only up to the middle of Children of Dune, so got some spoilers. Maybe warn next time still, really enjoyed it- shall subscribe- thx Spice Bro
Every element is representative of (or, clearly preceded by) humanity as we know it "now" (now can be any time in our recent memory, or at least since the books came out).
I wish the current Dune movies would really go there. Go darker. Why I liked Dune a bit more than this current Dune 2. It went darker. Be really true to the books. Not to appeal to the kids too. But the studio wants to make their money!
They're already heading in this "darker" direction, IMO. The "spider pet thing" of the Harkonnens is heavily implied to be a Tleilaxu creation and it's already shown in Part 1, and if DV really does a "Dune Messiah" adaptation they'll undoubtedly have to go there, as things start to get really dark and weird by the events of the second book.
The thumbnail middle portion look like a scene from some unused Ridley Scot Prometheus Engineer scene. And the fact the Spice thing in this universe is like the Black Goo substance from the Prometheus/Covenant that mutates organics/biology of any living being/human. Funny parallels.
Navigators are only formally revealed by the beginning of the second book (through Edric), so it made sense that we don't see them yet in those movies so far. However, what I don't understand is why the importance and presence of the Spacing Guild was so drastically reduced in the new movies. That's what I found lacking in this aspect, TBH.
Funny enough, I introduced Dune to a Japanese friend by joking that Axolotl tanks wouldn't feel out of place in Taimain. He, a fan of the Taimanin series, asked me what an Axolotl tank is, and the rest is history.
I'm not surprised about the most replayed part, mfs be like "AWOOOGA, BOOBA, MILKIES, BIG PREGGY BELLY, AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOGA! *Eyes bulge out of its sockets*
One school of thought has it that the spider creature is Wanna, Yuehs' wife, suitably transformed by the Tleilaxu. It might've made an interesting scene in the movie if they'd shown it to Yueh before killing him....
Cmon. Who wants to watch a movie in 2024 where there’s no woke characters and they actually care about their fan base. Good story and amazing visuals. No one wants that
Kinda hard to watch when you get Mentats wrong at the get go. They definitely didn’t surpass thinking machines, and were originally created/trained by machines when humanity was enslaved by Omnius.
Futars be like Futar lion: *spear* surrender humans Freemen:NOW WHAT!! Freemen soldier :ah i know what to do sister offer him s## Sorcierie:what ewww i have standarts you shit Freemen soldier:fuck salud what now Mentat:mhmmm The logic option is use the ring bell Sorcerie:ok *ring bell* Whos a good kitty Futar lion:mee🥺 Mentat:that would be disturbing if i didnt have the mind programed to be a computer But as for you i think you need therapy Freemen soldier:yep
Bruh says "Biologically Immoral" and then cuts out🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Paul became Arakis, he became a God, but that could never excuse his actions and the innocence that was lost under his rule so calling him "Immoral" is an insult. Only Monsters ki!! without consciousn and Paul was most definitely Moral to the point of going from revered to reverance🃏
One thing that always bugged me was that organic humanity _somehow_ managed to defeat an interstellar machine empire. Even if you soaked every last human in the galaxy in melange until they _all_ develop both prescience _and_ a Spacing Guild-like ability to fold space, they still would have as much a chance against the machines as ants do against 18-wheelers.
This video is for all the movie watchers that keep going on with the "Paul is evil" bullshit. He is a realistic protagonist. If you think the Jihad is bad, remember that the first movie adaptation (which Herbert approved) had HR Giger being the designer for the Harkonnen clan, planet and tecnology. Hell, as an Alien fan, there are a lot of drawings that people believe to be concepts of an earlier draft of Alien 1 when in actuality those are concepts from the Dune movie. Atreides are bad, Guild is worse, Tleilaxu turn dogs into folding chairs, Harkonnens have normalized abuse and rope and see people as "meat cogs in the machine"
The entire video just gives me glimps of a small fraction what a hive city from the grim dark universe the warhammer 40k can offer with all it's gore, debauchery and heretical ways once touched by chaos or xenos. Pretty tame so far but also less exaggerated wich is quite nice in contrast to 40k wich is just overpowered with everything. But bro those furries ain't gonna deceive anyone with another name especially after being mentioned to be able to tame them in various way.
Read all Dune novels years ago. The female reproductive "Tanks" which produced gholas were most disturbing. Perhaps it was in the later series published by the son？ I was thinking at first at that time .... the Herbert guy must have a very twisted mind to have imagined this. Then later when I thought of how some women were treated around the world IN THE PRESENT，then it might have just a natural "progression ".
Both movies feel very disjointed from each other, and the world building is nearly nonexistent. Ideally Dune should’ve been rebooted as an HBO series so we could get the full story as well as even possible expansions to the lore and characters. Individual films will never do this franchise justice.
"There would at least be another sentient alien race, but no" Definition of sentience appart (because it's not the same as sapient), are we sure the sand worms aren't?
The thing that I truly hate Is that it's only a matter of time that we actually will have a serious problem with Ai sometimes in the future it's only gonna get better but sad to say us being on the brink of extinction will be the only way well unite under one entity
Instead of finding aliens. We created our own aliens.
It is just the other side of the question about the Fermi Paradox.
What is more scarier?
We are alone in this Universe or we are not alone?
Found them in mexico
Aliens exist in Dune but they’re so few and far between that there are like remnants and whispers of their existence. Herbert wanted to make the point that even if they’re out there, the known universe is so big that we could go through all kinds of eras and thousands of years of ups and downs and still not ever get close to coming into contact with them.
@@calebray4168 the worms are aliens or at least alien made
The World of Shannara shares a similar setting...
Giving me all tomorrows vibes were humans evolved into abominations but got used to it
Unlike All Tomorrows this is at least somewhat realistic
In Dune, they didn't evolve into abominations. The only really weird ones were deliberately created. Leto II and Ghanima were a stroke of luck, with half of Paul's heritage and half of Chani's. Leto was changed by being completely dosed with Melange, adding the sandtrout, which gradually turned him into a Sandworm. Others were carefully bred, or even accidentally bred.
@@zeroxcrusherUnlike Dune, All Tomorrows is at least somewhat realistic.
Fixed it for you.
@@Yakerinabut that's what happened in all tomorrows, a bunch of aliens came to earth and genetically modified humans beyond recognition
@@RealCodreX Both in truth have measures of realism in their storytelling and details, but both are still stories of worlds eons beyond what we could possibly truly predict and hope to humbly be certain of by any means.
There, fixed it for both of you.
It is implied through the books that the humans in the dune universe are not much like current day humans, even the fremen have mutations that improve their coagulation, and given the variety of environments it's likely that humans in that future have bodies far more tolerant to extreme conditions, we tend to imagine them as modern humans, but I like to think that while they identify each other as humans, we probably would see them as aliens.
Yes I agree, along with their language. Comparing how different modern languages are from their ancient predecessor, one can only imagine how insane their language would sound to us, given its 10,000 year difference. As well as cultural norms, just beyond our comprehension. In this future, all AI and advanced tech were banished because of the war it started, hence why everything in Dune is man operated, which is why I think why Dune is still "recognizable" for readers because they had previously had insanely advanced tech, but reverted back to old ways after the war. Like if humanity now just went back to a hunter-gather civilization, that kind of switch.
Yes. By the time of Dune, even baseline humans have superior mental and physical abilities than current humans. I remember a line in the first novel where Piter mentions to the Baron that even he, a non-mentat, could match the computational abilities of ancient computers. Trained fighters like Swordmasters, Sardaukar, Bene Geserit and the Fremen have speed and reflexes much faster than us too.
@@jayb8934 Wow, yes good catch on that quote. They must look at how we are now as we do on cavemen haha
@@Dei79371the time difference is actually around 22000 years not 10000, the movie events take place in 10191 After Guild, for reference the earth year 1960 is in 11300s Before Guild
"In the future"...lol
The one with the woman looking like she’s only alive for making children in the thumbnail is just horrifying
Those are Axolotl Tanks
They are among the most disturbing things in the duniverse
You already know it’s someone’s fetish
@@gyrtiasnecrotaros4710 yes indeed ! a showcase of cruelty and lust for power
Now think, there are already nations and men that treat their women like this. Women that have no saying on who to marry or when to marry. Bred just to be sold at 10 years of age, to a rich man to make kids. The only difference is that they are real.
@@daleks
It's what could happen if mysogyny is left to evolve uncontrolled
In Dune humanity can exist within these extremes, Biological Horrors beyond our comprehension or Mechanical Horrors beyond our comprehension.
Not really "beyond our comprehension" though 😂
it's explored/explained pretty well in this video
basically we become our own alien races just with a splice of biomechanics added in
Only one issue is... This iteration of Humanity has poor taste in regard to robotic fashion.
I'm more of Prototype (game) and Transformers vibe when it comes to these subjects.
"Beyond our comprehension" 🤓
I really hope they atleast will show the navigators in the next movie
They dont :/
@@antcow1239 i mean the third
They kinda have to with the character of Edric he is pretty essential to the plot
Also they literally are going into space so they HAVE to show them
They showed them
The only known sentient alien race in the Dune lore are the sandworms.
Which are probably created by humans
What? More than the worms can feel and are conscious of their surroundings. Or maybe I am misunderstanding you.
That is debatable, because Leto II said they were introduced to Arrakis, they were not native. The books don't tell where they are from, but they could have been introduced by humans.
Not really. I don't think that much of an argument can be made for sandworm intelligence until the ones that come after Leto II, and they're technically part human because of Leto.
However, it's speculated in-universe that the sandworms may have been brought to Arakis by an alien race. They might even have been created by that race.
@@jayb8934 the Muadru, yeah?
The more I study Dune, the more parallels I find with WH40k. Although of course there are the same number of differences.
Thank you for an interesting video!👍
"Parallels" lol. Interesting way to describe one of the most litigious companies out there, Games Workshop, wilfully stealing huge sections of popular sci fi and fantasy fiction and mashing it together. Not complaining, I love 40k. But it does amuse me, how happy they are to sue others and try to claim the rights to things others created i.e. the entire concept and name of "Space Marines." It's lucky for them the Tolkien and Herbert families never tried to sue them lol.
But, I can't complain. 40k is awesome. I heard a saying once that I feel applies here; "Good artists borrow. Great artists steal."
@@PumpkinHoardWell Herbert family would sued by the Asimov family if they did. 40K and Dune are both based on The Foundation.
@@greyfox78569 Aint no-one suing Tolkien though lol. Man basically invented modern fantasy fiction.
@@PumpkinHoard Tolkien may have invented/built the foundations for the modern fantasy genre but his own work itself is not entirely original either, he took great inspiration from older mythologies of europe mostly germanic, celtic and norse. no matter how we look at it nobody is 100% original, everything had a source from somewhere else.
@@FullMetalMudcrab True enough, but his take on things was *extremely* transformative. Just look at how "elves" were depicted prior to Tolkien compared to now lol. He literally created the modern idea of what an elf is and it's radically different to what it was previously.
Some axolotl tanks were revived. They are why the Honered Matres hate the Theilaxu above the rest.
Boy, the first theilaxu reverend mother must have went apeshit. I'd love to see a series about the honored matres rising up.
Didn't they use Axolotl tanks to make spice aswell, so they revived the female tanks???
@@SK4Madhi_Freal Voluntarily.
@@feiryfella Voluntarily??? Why dafuq would anyone volunteer for that???
@@SK4Madhi_Freal you underestimate how may fetishists are there online
As far as I remember, Paul never did awaken his Other Memories, only the Prescience. And Miles Teg was also a super-human related to the Atreides family. Unexpected.
He did, in dune messiah he mentions is ancestors speaking to him when he is looking into the future.
Paul had Other Memories, of both his male and female line. Just like the pre-born, except he of course had a firmly established personality so that he wasn't in danger of losing himself and becoming possessed/abomination.
He does, he tells Jessica about having “millions and millions of lives” and there’s a few other mentions here and there where he accesses memories, or quietens the ‘voices’ of his ancestors when they clamour.
And then there’s the biggest evidence; when he drinks the Water of Life, Jessica comes to revive him, and he makes her show him the Place where Reverend Mothers fear to look, but he as a MALE Reverend Mother can access - the Place is explained as being the male-line genetic memories
There were still the Gholas - clones made in axolotl tanks - and I recall reading a race of humans genetically altered , they had their immunity and smell organs altered to work at the sewage of a city. Oh yes, and the suk! Dude, you shuold make a part 2!
I don't think that suk doctors were different enough from baseline humans to really count. They're just doctors who have undergone special loyalty conditioning. Ghola aren't really any different either. They're the same as regular humans, except that they are genetic copies/resurrections of a dead person.
You forgot about the Golas and the briefly mentioned alien race encountered when a navigator is given the synthetic spice that interrupts navigation and they barely escape
Gholas are clones of many of these types
@@mindq4328 true. But Brian Herbert describes aliens unknown outside the Lansraad
@@uknowbass”but Brian Herbert describes” no
@@uknowbass The stuff Brian Herbert writes is basically fan-fiction. Even though he claims it's based on notes that his father left, he's never shown those notes to anyone...
The spider-human-hybrid is rumored to be the wife of Dr. Yueh who was changed in a horrible way to that of the spider pet...
See I'd betray a duke to end the suffering of my spider wife, wish it was stated in the movie that those are the things they do to prisoiners. It'd make the harkonnens so unbearably evil so easily
"They take her apart like a doll!"
@@parzavaal5335 I think that the hope of seeing his wife alive and well would be more likely to ensure Yueh's loyalty than the promise of mercy-killing her. So if it really was Yueh's wife (which I think would be a nice touch) I don't think that the Baron would have ever let Yueh know.
@@jayb8934 agree, but I'm not sure about the "they take her apart" line then
not possible
"Futars"... considering their roll in the books its no wonder their name sounds like "futa"
Did Herbert know about futas?
@@mastercharlesdiltardino8058 was it Herbert who came up with futas?
@@xFurashux Is Herbert a Futa?
@user-eq9xs5fz9u does Bruno Mars is gay? The rumor come out.
Oh god, penis women
Star Wars and Warhammer 40k are directly sampled from Dune. Also, only the novels by Frank are canon.
Explain how
@@TheBigGangBang make some basic observations.
Star Wars; Bene Gesserit and Honored Matres vs the Jedi and Sith with supernatural abilities running things from behind the scenes via a religious order, super humans, generational feuds, archaic weapons despite space travel, an entirely desert planet, sand people, on and on, particularly the first movie.
War Hammer? The Golden Path of a super human dictator taking control for thousands of years to guide humanity in the right direction, archaic weapons despite space travel, super humans, the Benne Gesserit and Honored Matres versus Horace and all of the other factions that broke off, religious orders manipulating the populations, generational feuds, knowledge being lost to dogma, a war with thinking machines, space drugs, on and on. The more you look into War Hammer 40k, the more you realize it's just plagiarized ideas from other works in a blender with some cocaine, and protected legally under a thin layer of parody sprinkles.
Honestly, I find this future of humanity to be very interesting. After 21,000 years (10191 AG in the movie is equivalent to 23352 AD) humanity evolves into a multitude of subspecies, such as the Fremen, Mentats, Guild Navigators, etc.
It makes sense too, since there were eight other subhuman species that lived alongside us Homo Sapiens before they went extinct (Homo Erectus, Homo Habilis, etc.)
I'll just go through transference and merge my conscience into Data Space. Then put my conscience into a machine.
By doing so... "There are no strings on me."
Prototype, the Flood, Ultron... That is my path of full brink evolution.
"An experiment gone out of control", as they say. But in reality, it was all planned by my own hand.
We evolved intelligence because it was necessary for our survival as a species. We are the physically weakest of all primates based on size. I don't know how becoming a guild navigator would biologically make sense, we don't need to go through space to survive.
I searched for different human types and here it is, the video I was searching for uploaded just a day ago!
What else do you search about for Dune
@@mindq4328 I saw about some lore and got interested in the dune world!
I would be interested in the heirarchy and politics and stuff, like about empire and houses etc
@@noname6756 I can give You some advise - stay away from all the "DUNE" books that were written after Frank Herbert death. They ruin everything that he had in mind, along with his idea for "enemy" of Golden Path.
@@lxdead5585 I see, Thanks for the suggestion!
So that’s where Iron Warriors got the idea of Daemonculaba from…
Pretty much and also Fabius Bile would be using it to make his new human race and his clones.
Warhammer is pretty much 99% plagiarism. I do enjoy my Tau models tho
@@wesleyfilms borrowing concepts isn’t plagiarism really. HALO games did borrow a concept from Niven’s “Ringworld”, but nobody in their right mind would call that plagiarism because the stories themselves are vastly different.
@@terrormask2475 okay, but Warhammer is notorious for plagiarism. You can like something and still see the cracks
@@Baddaby if they really just plagiarized something they would’ve been sued. Even if I know that the concept/idea was borrowed from another work of fiction it doesn’t really appear as a “crack” if it was handled properly. The ideas are similar, but Daemonculaba, for example, is its own thing that was put together by a different faction through a different process for a somewhat different purpose. If that’s plagiarism then 99% of literature is too.
Plagiarism is a blatant one to one copy. And from what I know GW writers are smart enough to avoid doing that. And I’m not saying that because I’m their fan.
You know...Dune could be the creators of all future sentient alien life throughout the Galaxy, creating their own humanoid races much in the same vein as Star Wars or Star Trek universes.
Child: MOM CAN WE HAVE ALIENS?!
Mom: we got aliens at home…
The aliens: *this video*
Frank Herbert really do be asking the age old question: Would you still love me if I was a worm?
Kinda disappointed the thufir was cut from part 2. It really adds to what the baron is trying to teach feyd.
Ok, so, a shit ton of mutations AND FUCKING BIONICLES?! DAAAAAAAMN
So the sorceresses of rossak had telekinetic blasts sufficient to destroy cyborgs. They evolved into the Bene geserits. The Bene geserits promptly lost the power to hurl mind blasts in favour of their now more subtle biological control based abilities. Hmm... Ok.
That history was in a book written by herberts son not herbert himself, thus the change.
Herberts bene gesserit werent telekinetic for sure.
And their maybe sort of kind of telepathy like capability is limited to the spice agony ritual, where, while becoming a reverend mother, if another reverend mother who is about to die is present, the old one transfers her whole genetic memory to the new reverend mother to be.... somehow. Even then, as, a reverend mother can access to her female lines genetic memory, one can assume ritual might contain some blood exchange, though its not referred as that so probably not.
And at another place, when alia appears in reverend mother gaius Helens mind, she says no to others(nonbenegesserits who have no idea about genetic memory which bene gesserit hide from public knowledge) assumption that alia might have telepathy, saying she is in my mind but its not telepathy. meaning, to the bene gesserit there, that, alia, as an abomination, is her own collective genetic memory in action/alive. Which is why people suspected pauls grandmother was said reverend mother gaius helen mohiam.
Herbert didnt like direct/overt telekinesis telephaty it seems.
If bene gesserit really were that telepathic, there would be no escaping from a truth trance interrogation, but it looks like there is. And its in the first book, where baron leaves Jessica and Paul to die in desert, to be able to say to the truthsayer of the emperror gaius helen mohiam, that, I didnt kill them, nor my men. But as he said to his own mentat, but arrakis is arrakis.
And the suk Dr couldnt shield his feeling of guilt under his other feelings because jessica would be directly reading his mind not its side effects.
We see these nonfrank herbert books, that changed the histeri from people using thinking machines enslavjng most of humanity, to, thinking makinesi enslaving humanity, sort of like a very good fanfiction of frank herberts books. An AU fanfiction.
For saying O.G. Star Wars, thank you. True fan, you are. Good video did you produce.
5:24 I ready Futars as Futa's and nearly spit my coffee on my monitor.
That stare killed me😭🙏 5:34
It’s a luxury to stay the same. It is for survival that we adapt and change.
How many of you have seen the original Dune? The one with Patrick Stewart.
Although Frank Herbert's Dune wasn't as popular I still consider it the best version done
Great movie
Loved it, the style and music. A weird mix of Victorian, Gothic, Steampunk and sci-fi. It more accurately captured how i imagined it to be in my head when i was reading it. The Baron's behaviour was more true to the book in that film, a hint of his erm...tastes..when he rips out the boy's heart plug. Also, oddly, i prefer the more British accents (my own bias, i know). I find Chalamet's lazy US drawl and doe-eyed arrogance insufferable.
@richardlionheart3965 I haven't read the book, but I watched that version of the movie. It sure was a damn good movie, but at the same time watching it made me feel like when I was going to sleep and then waking up from anesthesia after an endoscopy ("the sleeper has awakened!" 😂). By that I mean the movie had some huge time skips that felt like I had missed some events. Btw, what's wrong with an American accent? 😂
I've read all the books (Franks, not his sons), seen the 84 Dune many times, watched the SciFi Channel series and the latest Dune movies. They are all great and do a good job telling the story. You can find fault in them all, but any time someone fleshes out a story I read visually, I am interested. 84 Dune is pretty awesome considering it's 40 years old. There wasn't much sci-fi like that back then when it was all campy sci-fi movies or Ewoks fighting storm troopers. 84 Dune was dark and sinister, had some really great concepts to think about. Bladerunner (original) felt that way to me too, like real science fiction, that makes you think deeply.
Dang those humans are spicy
This is incredible! I need to read the books. I had no idea there were so many different sub types of humans, which are basically aliens to us. Thank you for the video. Subbed.
Ps. The axolotl tanks reminds me the daemonculaba of Wh40k
Definitely inspired by Dune, and if I'm being frank is not as dark and disturbing as people make it out to be.
@@logangrimnar3800 i mean yes, if you talk about the axolotl. But since daemonculaba has Chaos magic, It probabily Is more terrifying
In essence yes, though the Tleliaxu at least have the decency to render the victims comatose. But chaos being chaos the suffering is probably an important ingredient.
@@miriamemanueleforneris3701 No i mean the daemomculaba aren't as dark as everyone makes it out. The story was written as a proper horror story which definitely helped, but people referring to them as one of the darkest parts of 40k are exaggerating.
Maybe it's just because of a breeding kink or whatever but as far as stories involving baby factories the daemonculaba are pretty milquetoast.
@@logangrimnar3800i think it's because violating and dehumanizing and reduced to a machine for a singular purpose of breeding is in itself considered the worse thing ever by many people.
Bro the first image to the left 💀
That's Vladimir Harkonnen, Baron of House Harkonnen.
@@rish_07no, it’s not.
Bene tlailax cyborg incubation pods
Not the baron
Fun fact... Mentats, in the fallout universe, are mints that increase your intelligence, loved sweets of Dr. Mobius.
40k before 40k warhammer
EXACTLY
@@miriamemanueleforneris3701not really. No aliens, no warp, no endless war
I wonder how many cymechs survived the butlerian jihad and are still in hiding until this day?
Futars are just cat people.
Heretic
40k is based on dune
Immortality at the cost of turning into Jabba the Hutt's long lost son
The thumbnail...
I'm not ashamed to admit that it got my almonds going
What's the deal with the far left one?
Is that part of Dune lore or is it just some random ai image cause that shit is straight up hentai
@kennethsatria6607 axolotl tanks. one of the dune races of humans keeps their women as lobotomized living wombs.
@@logangrimnar3800 💀
@@kennethsatria6607 I think she's being milked, maybe it's infused with spice making it a very valuable product. I wonder where he got this image from.
I seen this in theaters and enjoyed it I recommend it
That pregnant-looking woman in the thumbnail reminds me of how Chaos Marines multiply, human's ability to craft something like this out of a book is horrifying
Let's hope it won't lead to read it like it is introductions.
Demonculaba, crafted by chaos space marines, specifically "iron warrior" legion
That’s only a minor way, only one warband has done it
Especially on the Titans and Cymeks, kind of like my beloved Daleks from Dr Who.. and Megatron, Optimus Prime, the Berserker fleet and the time bending Terminator Nexus. We will all hear a lot more about these thinking machines in times to come
Why humans look like aliens in dune universe because of the betrayal of the Artificial intelligence, and Robot like.
I like your content. I recommend you slow down. You talk very fast to follow. In addition it can cause words to slur.
Can't quite catch the franchises mentioned at the start. Toho? And something sky universes? Does anyone know so I can check them out?
awesome!
comprehensive and well done!!!!
Good summary. No wasted verbiage. Thank you.
Whats the song in the backgrounds name?
The Qu:"I have an idea."
Really hope you're gonna make more stories in this universe I will love to see a animated series some of those entities and creatures 🤞
Great review....loved it. BUT I am only up to the middle of Children of Dune, so got some spoilers. Maybe warn next time still, really enjoyed it- shall subscribe- thx Spice Bro
3:05 telepathic
Nice visual art.
Do you guys do the nutbug channel to???
great movie so they made the aliens instead of finding them
If you’re going to look up Futars, be sure to not leave out the R
It's now dawn on me that Dune epitomizes humans try to play God yet lose their own humanity along the way.
Every element is representative of (or, clearly preceded by) humanity as we know it "now" (now can be any time in our recent memory, or at least since the books came out).
I wish the current Dune movies would really go there. Go darker. Why I liked Dune a bit more than this current Dune 2. It went darker. Be really true to the books. Not to appeal to the kids too. But the studio wants to make their money!
They're already heading in this "darker" direction, IMO. The "spider pet thing" of the Harkonnens is heavily implied to be a Tleilaxu creation and it's already shown in Part 1, and if DV really does a "Dune Messiah" adaptation they'll undoubtedly have to go there, as things start to get really dark and weird by the events of the second book.
I love that you used the Sons books
The thumbnail middle portion look like a scene from some unused Ridley Scot Prometheus Engineer scene. And the fact the Spice thing in this universe is like the Black Goo substance from the Prometheus/Covenant that mutates organics/biology of any living being/human. Funny parallels.
wish we saw more mentats in part 2... and where the hell are the mutant navigators in the movies
they’re not, from what i recall, present in the first book, that’s why they’re not in the movies.
Navigators are only formally revealed by the beginning of the second book (through Edric), so it made sense that we don't see them yet in those movies so far.
However, what I don't understand is why the importance and presence of the Spacing Guild was so drastically reduced in the new movies. That's what I found lacking in this aspect, TBH.
Funny enough, I introduced Dune to a Japanese friend by joking that Axolotl tanks wouldn't feel out of place in Taimain. He, a fan of the Taimanin series, asked me what an Axolotl tank is, and the rest is history.
The dune reference knows no bounds
The sandworms are aliens. 🤔
I'm not surprised about the most replayed part, mfs be like "AWOOOGA, BOOBA, MILKIES, BIG PREGGY BELLY, AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOGA! *Eyes bulge out of its sockets*
One school of thought has it that the spider creature is Wanna, Yuehs' wife, suitably transformed by the Tleilaxu. It might've made an interesting scene in the movie if they'd shown it to Yueh before killing him....
Everytime i see the worm emperor i always scream "DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR".
With all due respect, You need to start adding captions. Its all interesting but i can't understand half of what you are saying.
So, Simic human type existed. That means technically postmodern minimalist designs, supercomputers and AI were not banned ?
This video hits with all the energy of someone reading Wikipedia out loud.
So axolotl tank is just like 40K version of Daemonculaba, i don't know the Dune is that dark and mostly f*cked up with that mutation
All For The Love Of Spice
💕🥰⌛🤗💕
You failed to give a detailed description of the Honored Matres.
What about the Sardukar dude?
That thumbnail tho wtf
Good overview
Cmon. Who wants to watch a movie in 2024 where there’s no woke characters and they actually care about their fan base. Good story and amazing visuals. No one wants that
Who? Who? Why watch it 🤭
I Watch it
Please define woke?
@@udhayveersingh1855 They can't. Woke is a buzzword usually used by incels.
Oh, look at me, I use buzzwords in comment sections for attention. Wtf is even woke?
You only forgot one group, though I suppose they could be considered a pretty major spoiler for the whole series.
6:37 that’s got nothing on Dragon age origins (a lot of people forget just how dark part of that game get, look up female dwarf darkspawn 😱).
One of reasons why Tolkien didnt like Dune
I dont blame him
I wonder whether future parts of Dune will show Timothee as his hybrid
7:02 now they call them “birthing people” sounds familiar from a certain political party?
Kinda hard to watch when you get Mentats wrong at the get go. They definitely didn’t surpass thinking machines, and were originally created/trained by machines when humanity was enslaved by Omnius.
Futars be like
Futar lion: *spear* surrender humans
Freemen:NOW WHAT!!
Freemen soldier :ah i know what to do sister offer him s##
Sorcierie:what ewww i have standarts you shit
Freemen soldier:fuck salud what now
Mentat:mhmmm The logic option is use the ring bell
Sorcerie:ok *ring bell* Whos a good kitty
Futar lion:mee🥺
Mentat:that would be disturbing if i didnt have the mind programed to be a computer
But as for you i think you need therapy
Freemen soldier:yep
Really need captions. Good captions 😐
Bruh says "Biologically Immoral" and then cuts out🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Paul became Arakis, he became a God, but that could never excuse his actions and the innocence that was lost under his rule so calling him "Immoral" is an insult.
Only Monsters ki!! without consciousn and Paul was most definitely Moral to the point of going from revered to reverance🃏
Leto becoming a worm hybrid didnt make him immortal, it just made him near invulnerable. His immortality was separate from the transformation.
Human Sandworm is just too funny XD
One thing that always bugged me was that organic humanity _somehow_ managed to defeat an interstellar machine empire. Even if you soaked every last human in the galaxy in melange until they _all_ develop both prescience _and_ a Spacing Guild-like ability to fold space, they still would have as much a chance against the machines as ants do against 18-wheelers.
They didn’t defeat a machine empire, they defeated an empire of men using smart machines.
They destroyed earth. That’s how they won’t.
Cymechs are based.
Get some!
Nukes a lot of them.
Plot hole.
And not the only lne in Herbert's books.
This video is for all the movie watchers that keep going on with the "Paul is evil" bullshit. He is a realistic protagonist. If you think the Jihad is bad, remember that the first movie adaptation (which Herbert approved) had HR Giger being the designer for the Harkonnen clan, planet and tecnology. Hell, as an Alien fan, there are a lot of drawings that people believe to be concepts of an earlier draft of Alien 1 when in actuality those are concepts from the Dune movie.
Atreides are bad, Guild is worse, Tleilaxu turn dogs into folding chairs, Harkonnens have normalized abuse and rope and see people as "meat cogs in the machine"
The middle bottom picture low key looks like an engineer from Prometheus
The entire video just gives me glimps of a small fraction what a hive city from the grim dark universe the warhammer 40k can offer with all it's gore, debauchery and heretical ways once touched by chaos or xenos. Pretty tame so far but also less exaggerated wich is quite nice in contrast to 40k wich is just overpowered with everything. But bro those furries ain't gonna deceive anyone with another name especially after being mentioned to be able to tame them in various way.
Hope to see something like this in upcoming game
Heretics, mutants....aliens al must burn for the true God Emperor and the Golden Thronee
Read all Dune novels years ago. The female reproductive "Tanks" which produced gholas were most disturbing. Perhaps it was in the later series published by the son？ I was thinking at first at that time .... the Herbert guy must have a very twisted mind to have imagined this. Then later when I thought of how some women were treated around the world IN THE PRESENT，then it might have just a natural "progression ".
Am I the only one who feels that Dune 2 was way rushed and should have been two movies?
Both movies feel very disjointed from each other, and the world building is nearly nonexistent. Ideally Dune should’ve been rebooted as an HBO series so we could get the full story as well as even possible expansions to the lore and characters. Individual films will never do this franchise justice.
"There would at least be another sentient alien race, but no"
Definition of sentience appart (because it's not the same as sapient), are we sure the sand worms aren't?
Imagine a crossover between Dune and Star Trek.
This exatcly what project 2025 is about!
5:20 Oh no, furries.😱 Why, Frank Herbert, why?😭
Im surprised that there was no painter who wants to destroy the other species.
We must construct additional pylons!
The thing that I truly hate Is that it's only a matter of time that we actually will have a serious problem with Ai sometimes in the future it's only gonna get better but sad to say us being on the brink of extinction will be the only way well unite under one entity
bummer they didnt include any mentat scenes in dune 2