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- The Breakdown hosts John Kirwan, Jeff Wilson and Mils Muliainia react to the All Backs losing to France rugby in the Autumn Nations Series. #thebreakdown
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The "when the northern hemisphere sides come in July we kick their butts" statement has really aged well
“It’s gonna be a long flight home.”
It’s always a long flight home, regardless of whether you’ve won or lost.
That's part of the problem, the geographic location of NZ and that's never going to change. The top sides in Europe are barely 2 hours from one another.
@@hugostiglitz6914 that's why one wonders why NZ exists
@@hugostiglitz6914 What did the Kiwis and Aussies say to SA & Arg when that was thought of??
@@dunxx906 exactly
NZ is stuffed... Just like the all blacks
Come on boys. Don’t give a backhanded compliment…. “We’ll done France but we were tired”. Our game plan lacked ingenuity and the French attacked the ABs from everywhere! Literally running out of their own in goal to nearly score! Outplayed on the day, out classed in the coaches box.Thoroughly dismantled 2 weeks in a row.
They can't accept that rugby isn't dominated by AB anymore just is what it is
I mean you say that, but both of those losses were small moments away from going the other way. A lot closer than everyone makes out.
if we had the population that each of your countries we would be unbeatable..we have a population of 4million and yet we still compete on the highest level in most sports..well done Ireland and france.
@@user-Ezekiel meanwhile Ireland and wales have like 5 million ppl each and rugby is far from the biggest sport in england and france while it's by far the biggest in nz
@@headphoneman10 send back all the maori an islanders who play for france,england,ireland,wales,japan..I'm happy we lost it gives us something to work towards in the near future...ireland play in New Zealand in June let's see what's going to happen bro🤙🏼
France tour the Southern Hemisphere every summer exhausted at the end of their interminable season and without their most of their A players. The word fatigue was used more in this 1 video than I have heard from the French press for the past 20 years.
Have French teams done a 2 month tour in the covid era at the end of their season ?
You’re right, they say fatigué instead
@@stephenmcarthur6141 and so what? Covid is everywhere, annoying everybody.
@@emmanuelfani5385 maybe you can read my comment again ? Try understanding before you comment.
Here's a hint, key words are "2 month tour"
@@stephenmcarthur6141 No excuse. NZ went on 2+ month tours in the 1970s and never lost 2 test matches to NH teams in a row. The fact is the NH club season is far more demanding on players so if any teams have the right to plead exhaustion, it's the NH teams in June. We're not disputing that NZ rugby is the pinnacle of the sport but more credit should be given to the NH teams. Let's not forget this French team won the last two U20 world cups. They are a genuine force and will prove it in the 2023 World Cup.
As a French , this " fatigue " excuse is an insult to the french team. Why kiwis can't just admit that " Les Bleus" were better this time ?
What a joke honestly .....
Of course they can't. These SH teams have dominated for years, now they're losing they blame everything. If it's not World Rugby, it's officiating, it's player fatigue, it's money and resources blah blah. And they call Poms whingers!
@@nickrad6966 Players from NZ play less matchs than French players..French was better this time..l don't worry about the All blacks, they will better next year..As French l am Happy that we now have a competitive team. The Black will want their revenge..They will work for this
Agree!
not an insult l'ami, c'est vrai. Mais on leur a qd meme mis une bonne fessée on est d'accord ^^ ne nous voyons pas trop beau, c'est bien qu'ils ne nous prennent pas assez au sérieux , on progressera encore ^^
All Black pundits are world champions at excuses...lifelong title holders.
"We were tired?" True loser's response! If you're tired, then don't play. France deserved to win. Period.
Your argument is irrelevant@@rowanscott915. Don't play if you can't field your A-Team. I can promise you I am not jealous of NZ's Rugby Team. They are truly spectacular when they perform and deserve to beat second-rate teams. Unfortunately for them, they were second-rate when they faced Ireland and France.
Lastly, I do love your comment, "You are just being a nasty little man commenter." I've never heard that expression before.
@@rowanscott915 90% of the time it's the Toher way around and you there crying ? lol. Dupont is 25yo and played more games in his career than Because, a 31yo guy and you talk about fatigue ? Get the f out
“Since when are the All Blacks supposed to win every test match?”
Excellent question from Jeff Wilson. As an England fan I think the thing we can all agree on is that every team wants to beat the All Blacks and will bring their very best game. The remarkable thing about the All Blacks teams of the past was how they were always able to find a way to win even against very good teams playing at their very best. For some teams like Ireland, that air of invincibility the All Blacks carried is probably gone. 3 wins against the All Blacks in recent years is unprecedented for Ireland.
Or Ireland just got better? The all blacks are still very good
@@CKGAMINGZA Is this Clint Eastwood? :)
@@RugbyWrapUp Denzel Washington 🤔
Invincibility is mythical if you want to look at rugby history in the last four decades then we can all realise that the ABs lose sometimes at the critical moment when we're all set for a win being the case in World cup semi finals
Then we are left with France England, Aussie and the Boks marching on 'bugger" but still they'll retake remake win and lose and come back to the top again.Recently beaten once by Argentina and then lately by two strong northern hemisphere rugby sides....A timely reminder that the most successful franchise must always be prepared for improvement and regrowth apart from national mourning sad finger pointing and further losses be assured it's not the end of the AB legacy
Yeah right.
But they won the cute little dance competition.
You’d swear they go on like the All Blacks can’t lose. This is the first time they’ve even mentioned that it’s possible for good teams to just be beat
It's just the mentality they have after so many years of the All Blacks not losing. When you don't lose more than 2 matches a year in over a decade, you begin to think you're practically unbeatable. Teams are starting to get used to the All Blacks way of playing now, and they just can't accept that.
They don't. And they begin with the rugby's all done and dusted....purely because you lost two on the bounce.
They couldn't believe when they lost against the Springboks but now it seems like they regard fatigue as not just an excuse anymore.
@@rowanscott915 spot on
Their win loss record over the 100 years or more is around 80 percent, which is bloody good , but in no why suggests unbeatable ,
The recent era led by mccaw was better than that , so maybe some got used to that , younger people thinking this how it’s always been maybe , but it’s more a case of things returning to normal than dropping off a cliff , there has always been highs and lows .
Man the fatigue excuses are so ironic. When NZ get smashed and put it down to fatigue it's fine. But when SA was facing fatigue in the Rugby Championship then "Oh you are not very good world champions". ABs problems have been creeping in since 2018. Since Wayne Smith left the ABs they have stopped innovating.
Very well said
Mate this is a NZ show talking about the New Zealand Rugby team so if you don't like it then don't watch it and go and maon some more about the loss to England
How could south Africa be facing fatigue in the rugby championship when they'd played the same amount of games as new Zealand and none in 2020?
Shut up you bunch of whingers.... When are you going to (again) start blaming the ref, the climate, the ball pressure, the pitch....or anything else than your piss poor and boring "game plan"
I agree!
As a french fan it was so enjoyable to see my team beat the iconic ABs so convincingly .A young team full of promise and without complexes (a lot of the cliches you hear from anglo saxon teams like "yeah they're French , they'll surrender in the end blah blah blah). France were awesome and proved that they are a force to be reckoned with ! As for NZ , i believe these reality checks will serve them immensely before the WC 23 as they now realise the amount of work they need to do . Bravo les petits français , toute une nation derriere vous . ALLEZ LES BLEUS .
The French 9, 10 and 15 were amazing!
As an England fan I was so impressed by that performance - this French team is defo one to watch. Congrats France!
@@rowanscott915 OK, this is an old argument - what about England, NZ or any other first nation team?! I'm an Englishman who has adored rugby for 30 + years and I don't care where the French players come from, they're a great team and it only makes Rugby better. England Vs France in the 6 nations is going to be epic.
@@rowanscott915 Northern hemisphere - what about NZ looting the Cook Islands and Fiji? I've no problem with that. We have a wonderful sport buddy. Happy New year btw. :)
@@rowanscott915 how many players of the ABs are not born in New Zealand ? Sevu Reece was Fidjian and after a few seasons he was able to play for the ABs, come on, you guys also do that. I don't think it's a bad thing but you shouldn't critic France while you guys do that too.
A team that has depth like nz should never make excuse of fatigue. These guys start talking about other countries you lost your own games
SA were in covid bubbles longer and lost by one point in a game they otherwise owned on Saturday. It’s not fatigue. They’re being beaten up front
lol watch again, they talked about lack of creativity, not having answer to line speed
So you think they would beat a fresh AB side at home?,don't think so.
It's great for Rugby to have other nations improve and now have a very interesting few years.
True. What is also true is that home teams have an advantage worth about 10 points. Subtract that and the picture looks a bit different.
Probably the reason why the north dont do so well in WC's as in EOTY tours.
Yes
@@cobusbrits2 yup, true.
Greetings from Ireland. If I was a Kiwi the games at Ireland and Framce would be getting me enthused and excited. Its not just that they won, but its that they wond playing terrific rugby. It means that the ABs will have to up their game and change up.
French viewer here.
5min spent on repeating 124 times how tired were the AB's and the fatigue that was noticeable.
They are well-payed professional rugbymen for god sake; meaning they were not prepared physically well enough and this is why they lost to a french team who turned up on the day.
STOP MOANING AND LEARN HUMILITY!
yea ... the French played brilliant ...LOVED THEIR STYLE ....... hope they win the next WC .....from a Cape Town
They are finding it hard to let go of not being the best anymore.
@@redpilled9595 agree ........ Aus / SA / NZ ..... def not the force anymore ...... loved how France played , Wales beat England and the poor Boks that again are chockers with some much opportunities .
I didnt hear them moaning mate, they were discussing the reasons for their poor performance
@@za9393 the facts are SA no 1.
Fatigue 🤦♂️, my wife worked 12 months straight in an Emergency department in the UK during the first wave of covid, she can tell you what it’s like to feel “fatigue” ffs
Ah leave it out
Thanks for her work! Regards from France!
Have you heard of relativity, Andrew?
The All Brats ?
@@SacClass650 Travelling in business/first class to 5 star hotels getting professional treatment, wah wahhh we're so fatigued. Poor excuses from a poor All Blacks outfit.
Northern hemisphere has found parity and will only get better 🏴🏴🏴🇮🇪🇲🇫
Can Northern hemisphere teams win away from home?
Yeah. Maybe against the other teams but not against NZ. Lucky that Scott Robertson isn’t the coach or there would be massive beatings. This is from a 🇿🇦
@@jasonshaun6657 I agree Jason. Coach Foster is the problem here.
Onya's, Northern clean sweep 4-0, was hoping Argentina may have salvaged something for us Downunder 👍🏾 🖤
France won on a Penoud intercept when NZ had an overlap and would have likely scored the other way. England won with Kolisi having a brainfart. Not trying to erode the effort of the Northern Hemisphere but the Southern Hemisphere were not completely outplayed.
"when the NH come here in July we kick their buts" 😁 that aged well.
😂😂😂
So the once mighty All Blacks lost because they were "tired".
Kicking a ball around 80 minutes once a week while living in luxury international hotels should hardly be tiring for a bunch of well paid young men at their physical peak. I mean, it's not like they work off a scaffold during the week, or down a coal mine and turn up for a game shagged out on Saturday pissed, is it?
Strewth!
I can understand your point, but that is not tha kind of fatigue that is implied here. They are athletes that push the limits of what a human body can do, and as for all sports, pushing human body that hard is not healthy. But if there were not for the violence of the matches, it would be fine. But when equaly trained monsters do that kind of impacts again and again, your body start to break, bit by bit. It's might not be a brokent bone, but joints will suffer, muscle will have litle damage that will pile on. At the end of a season, thoses guys have so much litles pain everywhere that it reflect on their performances innevitably.
I'm not using it as an excuse for the NZ loss. I'm French, and I'm glad to see my team win against the mighty ABs. But denying that thoses professionnal player pile on fatigue at the end of a season cause "they play one match a week and live a luxury life" is a serious denial in my opinion.
Springboks were also tired. We heavy weight champions had a lot of time in the ring this year. Quite funny, all 4 southern hemisphere teams are licking their wounds.
3. Arg should go back to their proper level 2nd tier.
@@hanoitripper1809 ,they would be better off playing in the 6 nations
Wouldn’t t have said that if you won.
@@Trajan2401 no they are not a euro team
as a rugby trainer for the kids in my village,i can tell you how shinning the stars in their eyes,rugby is life and joy,ab's have a large part of glory in the past and for the future and we all knows they 'll coming back soon but france desserved the win and there is no doubt in my kids'hearts,from france with respect.
"They were tired." Stop giving excuses
The coach always has an enormous impact on the performance of a team. Who will ever forget the Allister Coetzee era? Then think about Jake White and study his record. Look what Rassie Erasmus accomplished in a very short period of time. I was very sceptical when Ian Forster was appointed head coach.
Can’t they just say AB were beaten by a better team
To be fair they did, several times
They were, and they did
Very smart comment 👍
So... All Blacks where tired, why they lost ...
Well well well ! ...
But not the French who play every single Sunday from August to June ?
Ces AB sont de très mauvais perdants .
L' excuse de la fatigue est pathétique.
AB's are bad losers , this fatigue excuse is pathetic.
@@tasmangirl des Anglos typiques...
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Jeff Wilson hit the nail on the head and he doesn't even know it. He spoke about the adversity that McCaw, Nonu, Conrad and Ben Smith and Carter went through and he is not wrong there; where he is wrong, is in the assumption that Ioane brothers, Havili, Mounga, Bridge, etc will ever be in that league. Having lost those players just after RWC 2015, the AB's have never successfully replaced them and that is a huge problem for them. Losing Read, Franks, etc after 2019 didn't help either.
ah yes, 2105, that was a great year.......
@@richardb6844 Hahahahaha sorry, it was late - I was tired. Editing it now :)
I think replacing the midfield will be the hardest…they were a once in a lifetime combination.
@@michaelkonelio7452 they were, and going back to that 2015 World Cup… you then bring on Sonny Bill who outshone them off the bench in literally every game.
@@garyodriscoll7988 exactly, the ABs were blessed for a long time with once in a life time players. This new group definitely is lacking the class we had in 2015 lol that team was absolutely deadly and had a different belief
how about : "Mainly, we lost because France was too good."
So were Ireland we showed the way, 3 wins against NZ IN 5 YEARS!
I find it funny how JK will happily talk about the fatigue of the ABs but there didn't seem to be any mitigation when the boks lost to Australia or NZ. The South African team spent months in a covid-secure bubble and the ABs experienced nothing like that, and yet the springboks end this year holding the world top spot and with a more successful end of year tour than any other southern hemisphere team. JK can talk about fatigue when NZ face the mental and physical stress of being in a covid bubble. If the springboks can do it then why not the ABs? Sounds like someone is choking on their humble pie....
you are right
gotta eat some humble pie boys
The key thing none of the pundits discussed is how we are being smashed at ruck time. We're having to send in more players to secure ball, we often fail to do so getting turned over a fair amount and when have secured ball it's often slow. If we don't have quick ball, we can't do anything with it. I'm not sure if this is a technical thing, a player thing, a problem with attacking patterns and inability to win the collisions, or all of the above or something else. But it's really noticeable that having clean, quick ball has been an issue since McCaw and Kaino retired.
As ever it’s better to not overestimate yourselves when things are going well not underestimate yourselves when things don’t go your way.
For me as an England fan I always expect to lose a game or two if we tour major SH teams in our summer. These tours are really hard for the tourists and what these Autumn internationals show is that the gap between NH teams and SH teams is much closer than its ever been collectively before. The ABs are just used to winning these games at a canter and this time they were caught out. I'm a little surprised that they lost to France by a greater margin than they lost to Ireland, but then France are arguably a better team - its just I always expect to see the ABs come straight back after a loss. Overall, I just don't think there is that much to worry about from an AB standpoint. They will come home, rest, reflect, learn and improve - because they are ABs. But its undeniable that whilst the ABs and SA will go into the WC as favourites, teams like France, Ireland and England are able to beat anyone in a single game.
It's a cycle, when we bottom out it nearly always takes us about 4 years to re-invent ourselves and at the moment we are in the middle of that cycle. I would be very surprised if we got everything together before the next world cup, probably the one after that is more realistic.
As a neutral Scotland fan I watched both the Ireland and France games and NZ were beaten in different ways in each game. Ireland dominated them with there power and physicality. France played them off the park with great attacking running rugby. NZ simply don't have the calibre of players they have had. Their backrow, centres and back 3 in particular stand out as being inferior to previous teams.
France made my day!
2:29; John Kirwan; "When the Northern Hemisphere come here in July, we kick their butts". No mate, they kicked yours.
So proud of my team for the first time in years and years.
For me it feels more that the gap has just been closed. Also New Zealand we’re off the pace but I think the day of them dominating everyone is gone.
Lol. Heard all that before!!!
@@maximl8820 first time I ever seen the ABs front five be out skilled by a northern hemisphere front five, especially an Irish front five
I can't see the All Blacks been dominated and losing on a regular basis.Wishful thinking man.from west Oz.
@@hc8299 irish beat ab 3 times in last 5 years....
@@hc8299 early 2000s England demolished them many times.
Excellent to hear this from a very direct Kiwi perspective (I'm Scottish btw). I'm wondering if the ABs missed the presence of crocked Beauden B a wee bit...just after his 100 caps celebration, I think he would have been a wise head to call on. Saying that, taking nothing away from Ireland and France...both magnificent!
Apart from the two intercept ties Beauden has done nothing but kick ball away aimlessly. He got ran over probably three times before he got knocked out in the Ireland game.
Barrett is a luck player mate that's all
Well Mounga hasn't done much BB is still better
mo'unga has been invisible
I know this is a month later but Barrett got injured in the Ireland game, hence why he didn’t play against france
The great AB's tired? I suppose you were the best at being tired as well.
3 month tour, when did your country last do that, lions 50 odd years ago. But as a country, when did you last go on a 3 month tour check it out. Never, then come back and apologise for talking shite, muppet
@@joedennehy386 shite planning. Got tired carrying those big heads around eh squirt?
@@joedennehy386 a lions tour was literally this year, and this Autumn nations is mid premiership season so all players have been playing every weekend.
@@joedennehy386 why cant you EVER just accept losing?
Respect to this panel and they way they talk about the season. They still respect the coach, the team, the players and the achievements. An 80% win record for the season is still phenomenal. Talking about looking in the mirror and asking hard questions is very relevant
They were tired 😴 what a lame excuse,just glad more and more teams are starting to gain more confidence against them and beat them as well,Springboks for life by the way!
The mighty bokke, that have won 4 of the last 20 v all blacks, keep spouting son, you're the man lmfao
@@joedennehy386 The mighty all blacks that were handed a world cup final against france in 2011, the whole rugby world knows you bought that cup. The mighty all blacks that are always reffed differently than any other team at the breakdown when they enter from the side and slow opposition ball down illegally. NZ have poured more money into the sport than any other country as a whole, that's why the all blacks are a dominant brand. NZ lockdowns made the stands empty and people didn't buy tickets, super rugby has essentially folded. Now all of a sudden nz is losing and not just losing, they are losing by a score or more. Follow the money you buffoon, same reason south africa were so dominant until after the apartheid era. Their currency essentially collapsed not shortly after and as a result their standing in the rugby world diminished. Rugby is a business before a sport, yes sa won the recent world cup but that's more political than anything and ' good for the sport ' from a marketing perspective. How do people like you survive adulthood when you think like a child, lmao you think professional sports are real.
@@Silencewithinme outstanding comment broe I couldn't have said it better myself,would like to hear that fools reply though
@@immortaltechnique8689 you believe that the rwc final was fixed? Nz put a fraction of money into rugby that England and France do. Do you think the earth is flat as well, are you making lots of tin foil hats. Before neutral referees South Africa had beaten NZ more than we had beaten then with your hometown referees. Since then we have beaten you 2 to 1 or more. 20% winning rate in the last 20 tests. I'd be more worried about your country fellas
@@Silencewithinme conspiracy theorist, anti vaxxing flat earther. And so wrong. Your game collapsed when neutral referees came, and soon your country will as well muppet
NZ were well beaten two weeks in a row by two teams playing different game plans. This NZ team has been in decline since 2018, beaten at the world cup and now in the first round of big international games since covid. The writing is on the wall, ignore the bullshit about being tired. There will be at least 4 or 5 teams turning up at the world cup who are very capable and confident of beating them, especially the hosts. With 2 years to go, they need a new coach, new players in the squad and a new game plan by then, or just have a new excuse ready for the inevitable early departure.
nothing new lol, we hear this all the time and we go through bad patches regularly, happens every 5 yrs or so
pretty shocking how scott barrett leads the turnovers won while not playing the entire northern tour. Our breakdown work is terrible.
Spot on!!
This all comes down to Scott MacLeod the AB defense coach! The AB defense has not been the same since Wayne Smith retired in 2017! Our tackling is woeful and ill-disciplined, our transition defensive systems are inefficient and outdated and the priority of maintaining a defensive wall has given way to anticipation!
Papali'i is ineffective at the breakdown! The only looseforward in that AB team that is effective at the breakdown is Savea and we are playing him at 8!
@@davidrieger8816 Exactly, Foster hasnt a clue!
Breakdown is thé most important part of rugby. You lose that, its game over. Exactly where the Boks lost to the Wallabies as well.
New Zealand has now been stricken by the Brazil's syndrome in football, forgetting the facts that other countries not only progress but will soon be winning matches on a regular basis, against them.
Exactly...🙂
Hello from French Guiana 😚🇨🇵🏉❤
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Christ. Has there *ever* been a Southern Hemisphere team that just got beaten by a better side?
If it’s not the ref it’s “fatigue”. 😂😂😂😂
Suck it up boys.
Because the Northern teams never back up their victories. If there would be a 3 test series against 1 Northern team vs 1 Southern team, the Southern Dominance would shou
@@Faulkner152 Your missing point, before you come here to act smart I never talked about teams not catching up but one game doesnt say it's all doom and gloom. The Southern teams win games that matter. It also proved for the all blacks that they have a huge problem at 10 without Beauden Barret
@@Faulkner152 I really dont know why someone wouldnt know that in this day and age you are bound to loose a couple of games, the all blacks only lost 3 games, yes big ones but only 3 the whole year. France lost to England Scotland, Wales, Ireland in the 6 nations and a tour to Autrailia so I dont know what the big fuss about France winning one game is all about. The All blacks game is always a target for any top nation. It doesnt mean you will win everytime against them.
@@Faulkner152 True I agree. I feel the cracks where evident even in Steve Hansen's tenure when they where exposed and lost to the Lions (2017), Boks (2018), Ireland (2018), Australia (2019) and England (2019)
@@Faulkner152 100% true but with the Northern teams they tend to peak mid season, I just hope they can keep the form till the world cup. I feel the teams in the rugby world are getting stronger and it's good for world rugby. I just hope the teams keep the consistency
Excuse my ignorance but I'm genuinely confused about this fatigue talk. I can understand having to be in a bubble therefore that taking its toll but fatigue from travel??? They played the TRC in Australia so they didn't have to travel to Argentina or South Africa this year and didn't they play the same number of games for the Bledisloe and TRC just as last year and previous years before? Even the Autumn Internationals barring maybe the USA game, which we can all agree was to fatten the coffers were the same amount of games as previous years right? I can't understand why they are blaming fatigue as a factor? Previous ABs sides have done the same and dominated throughout the season. I am genuinely confused about this, would be great if someone could shed some light on it please?
15 tests and a 3 month tour away, do a bit of basic research eh. Not an excuse, a fact pal
Ireland weren't great this year not up to their best atall this tour is the first time our team started to play properly maybe it was down to the opposition maybe the tide is turning in the northern hemisphere's favour. I think beating the a b's gave us some hope for the 2022 championship and maybe the world cup but after the French beating the all blacks maybe our win was just one ordanry team beating another ordanry team it's looking like we've beaten the all blacks but les blue's haven't gone away you know.
@@joedennehy386 was looking at the stats and most years the maximum number of matches has been 14, only this year there was 15... NZR should've factored the fatigue factor then... They got greedy instead... And mind you 14 was with the TRC having to travel to SA and Argentina AND the End of Year tour.... Are you saying that playing that 1 extra game was the telling factor?
15 matches 5 in Nz, 5 in Oz, 4 NH, 1 USA, our average games 14 per year , how the Hell does 1 extra game set in fatigue. We've never heard about fatigue in the past, maybe there trying to cover the fact the coaching is shit.
@@sleeky89 the telling factor was a 3 month tour, continuous. Has your team ever done a 3 month tour. Nz and south Africa used to do them but haven't since the 70s. As did the lions, but has your country ever done that?
Fatigue as excuses go it's pretty unimaginative, like the way the ABs played against France... 🔥 😆
All joking aside when I watched the last to New Zealand games, I was struck by how similar the style of play was to how England played in 2005-7. Aimless kicking not enough counter attacking from Fullback when presented with opportunities to play heads up rugby.
I have confidence in Foster building up this team for a quarter final exit.
Well said.......me too........if we even make it to the quarters with the legend Foster on the helm.
We can smash the 3rd tier teams at least as consolation
Foster is a Doos.
Every man and his dog in New Zealand knows Jamie Joseph, Dave Rennie and Scott Robertson were all better candidates to coach The All Blacks than Ian Foster. Foster retained the job because Hansen cried to NZR to keep him in the job saying the team needed continuity. This team has gained nothing they've stagnated under Foster, nothing has changed. The cattle is there but the coaching set up is disastrous, nobody in New Zealand has confidence in Foster and now the whole World can see it too.
NZRU are at fault here - they completely messed this up! The NZRU wanted Jamie Joseph and Tony Brown as the coaching staff to takeover the ABs! Japan got wind of this and made an offer to Joseph just as the 2019 RWC started - it was an offer he could not refuse! The NZRU found out what Japan Rugby did and sat back and did nothing because they thought Joseph would be loyal and go with the ABs - they thought they would wait till the end of the RWC and make the approach then!
This is why we have Foster as the coach!
What I find problematic is that when the AB coach is under review due to contract ending, the standard procedure is to review and choose at the END of the season so that they can review the total season. This is the first time I have ever seen the NZRU address the review in the middle of the season for a AB coach on the end of his contract! The process also involves the advertisement of the role and the opportunity for other coaches to apply - did not hear any of this during this particular process!
Unfortunately we are stuck with Foster as the AB coach till 2023! We will not get past the quarter-finals unless something drastically changes!
NZRU is a racist set up and has been for a long time,Rennie was the best candidate becoz of his record oh but no he's Maori so we can't have that we'll pick a white guy who has no coaching record at all,the fobbie 11 they didn't wait for Jamie Joseph they wanted him to go so they could employ a white man that has done nothing as a coach,Jamie Joseph is too black for them.
Exactly..it's a never ending nightmare!
@@barrybrown3331 dave rennie has done a great job with the wallabies and we got the lemon
They can NEVER honestly accept being beaten can they? All of a sudden they looked tired.
Just watching as a rugby fan they had alot of handling errors and just didn't come out to play first half france came out to play for sure
New Zealand can't always be on top,ireland have built a good team now,France have a brilliant young group of players England and Wales are always dangerous it's gonna be a great 6 nations next year
Dangerous to say. NZ were ALWAYS on top. Why not now? Concede and start a lose culture.
Yip NZ can't always be on top...because South Africa are, lol.
Agree with most of your comments other than Wales, they're never dangerous but always overrated.
I love that these guys recognize the value of losing and they are right about the timing. The AB’s have time to reassess. They will come back better.
All top six nations can beat any other nation at home,RWC2023 is going to be fantastic
Not Italy haha
Got beaten fair and square for two weeks in a row .Giving excuses about being tired is no good. Take it on the chin and move on .
Love these debriefs. On a history note, I remember saving all my money in 87 to buy JK's book and he signed it. Great day. Great memory.
Damn I thought this was the world cup reaction. Can't wait for it.
I think what we’re starting to see is international rugby catching up with professionalism. For 20 year NZ and smaller nations have been able to ‘over perform’ compared to their resources. NZ has a small population and not tonnes of money in the game. The resources of England and France are starting to weigh heavily.
rugby is a religion here and invested heavily in for the size of the population, NH teams are fresher at the start think results would reverse if they played at the end of a season too
Just watch a Top 14 game. It's like watching the old Super Rugby, the leagues are at such a high quality these days. Super Rugby is still great because NZ can keep their ABs but now that Ireland, England and France are playing at SR level leagues it is starting to overflow into their national sides.
Plus modern coaching and refereeing are more evenly spread. ABs looking old. Moody Whitlock Retallick won’t be peaking for RWC 2023. Watch abs not rotating as many players , settling backs and Fs combinations. developing chemistry and fitness rather than depth. Abs need 5-6 good locks to get though the next 24 months, for instance.
As an England fan I wouldn't get too worried yet... Club rugby still has too much power up here and getting more powerful. Our players also still play far too many games and England player time on the pitch is redicolous. They've been flogged at times. England do have a young team with many other super talented younger players coming through and the French has some wonderful talent too so I see England, France and Ireland being very competitive for a long while yet but I think Wales will start tailing off and become less of a force.
@@theultimatesharpshooter6734 agreed the worst thing that happened to NZ rugby was the NZ Super teams beating the crap out of each other for weeks on end :)
As an Irishman I'm scared for us going there in June especially after this window they will want to put things right.
I’m not I’m dying for June a chance to take them on in their home patch nothing better.
Good news is that you won't be
It will be tough All Blacks will rest up and improve but France 🇫🇷 were great and will beat anyone on their best day the French are brilliant and are New Zealands bogey team.
Don't be scared
You're obviously Not an Irish Man, if you scared!!!!!
Part of winning the AB's is a mental attitude, and everyone knows the Frenchies has it. You can almost sense it even b4 the game. Ab's never look comfortable against the French. Can't wait for next encounter.
I must say I respectfully disagree with everyone saying the kiwis are making excuses / ignoring how good the French were. They are simply examining where it went wrong from an NZ perspective (which they are entitled to do), i.e. looking at the controlable factors rather than the opposition in the context of building for the world cup. This is what they've always done and I believe it's a big part of their success. They focus on themselves and their own game.
Couldn’t agree more. It’s some of the most mature discussion you can expect. “Since when are the All Blacks entitled to win every match” summed it up.
Absolutely. Playing like that, France would've beaten ANYONE.
Even south Africa do that yes France were outstanding but the are key issues to Aotearoa team.
@@douglasstewart3889 who said they where?
You comedian
Gotta love the arrogance of Kirwan saying New Zealand will whoop Ireland in the 3 Tests at home next June...
They will, even with fossie as coach
Talking about strategy and culture, Boks have been hammered the last 2/3 years by the world about ours…. But clearly the team and coaching staff are on the same page. To other teams create your own culture and strategy and master it before pointing fingers.✌️
I was wondering what excuses they will come up with this time. They cried, because the springboks doesn’t play their backs with “running” and “exciting” rugby and now the French team came and played exactly that kind of game, and now it’s all on fatigue. Haha!
As if you Saffas can talk you guys come up with excuses everytime you lose it's never the other side were too good hahaha hippocrites
Don’t get me wrong, much respect for the All Blacks, they WERE the best 😉
Lost only 3 because they played tonga,Fiji,USA and italy
Could of easily lost against the Boks the first time around.
@@redpilled9595 ,the Boks could've easily lost both tests to NZ too
SA lost 5 because they were pathetic in the RC
L'émergence de la nouvelle génération française risque de vous donner des cauchemars dans les années à venir ^^
Je trouve ton commentaire très prétentieux, les all blacks sont des génies du rugby et la plus grande équipe de rugby au monde, regarde les statistiques entre la France et les néo zélandais depuis les débuts du rugby et tu verras le fossé.
Essaye d’être plus humble à l’avenir.
France were fantastic. Man up. When the boks got beaten by England we accept they outplayed us. Stop the excuses. They got 40 points on you guys. Take it
But if any northern team loses they wine and cry, the players and the fans, next time your team loses just remember what you said here
@@xxshadowxx9009 LOL
@@MrBreakingBud The Bokke lost on Saturday. Outplayed, left points on the field. I take it and move on
@@moderndaydisciple6024 Rassie complains like all year while fans say Refs are always against them. Saffas have no room to tell anyone about excuses.
@@CaptainChurrr world rugby admitted that most of the points raised they agreed with. Complaining or refusing to accept corrupt officials. The latter I think.
It is much surprising to see that nothing is said about one thing which is very important to explain the results of the nations of the south hemisphere, that is since 2-3 years, the improvement of the game played by most of the nations of the North.
For me in the future the All blacks as the other nations of the South, will be beaten much more often than in the past.. Rugby is becoming more and more professional and more very good players will be find into those of The UK and France…
Comment from the NH, nothing wrong with the skills here, but need to spend a bit more time watching 6N games, this was all on display this Spring. England have had to evolve to deal with fast line speed, evolve their attack format and deal with heavy, direct packs. South Africa were unbelievably good at Twickenham. Ireland were almost unrecognizable in attack, a complete evolution and that French team has been playing like that or trying to get to that game plan for two 6N seasons, they have the odd quite match, but if you think the ABs are tired, try playing a French season - and for the first time they can dress two teams as good as the one on display last week.
The skills level on display of the AB's remains incredible as is the depth. The heart in their jersey in the French game, and the drive that produced the pick and go in the second half and the defensive effort against Ireland was incredible. But the attacking game plan is 70% kick away the ball and counterattack ... this used to be one very small part of an AB game, but its almost like that's all there was. From the NH, we may regret that the ABs got taught this lesson 2 years out, but then again, all of our teams will get better between now and RWC and our coaching is getting much better. There really was some good rugby with different styles, pitted against each other, but Andy Farrel and Eddie seem to have found something, the French had it already and when it matters the Welsh will come together. There's a bit of nonsense in this about SH summer tours ... they come after Club and ERC finals and are a time to experiment for NH teams.
As a 25 year old SAFFA I remember a time when seeing the Abs run at our line scared me every time. They looked so so threatening. Now, I'm struggling to understand what they are trying to achieve when taking the ball to the back line. There's very little structure and planning going into their back line.
Crap coach
Every time the All Blacks struggle it's the same culprits putting us under pressure: rushing defence and a predictable attack. It's been that way probably since 2017-18 and we still haven't really found an answer for it. Surely there is enough evidence out there now in the form of footage or theory for us to have come up with an effective answer? Surely there are players out there who have the skillsets, or could have developed the skillsets in that time, to defeat these problems? Must be a struggle for Pundits like JK to say the same thing every time it comes up.
Most of the comments here talk complete irrelevance brewing up their own narrative clouds etc. However your comment goes to the central point of what is defeating the ABs and is constructive.
I think the 1st reason they have not "found a solution" is because ABs seem to prepare and train for a brand of rugby that is free flowing and expansive. In the past it worked in winning at all levels and it's most entertaining. However with weaker pack it's being exposed as well as the development of this "robotic" style of "set-piece" rugby by other nations improving.
What is the right reaction of ABs? Find players to answer it? Well I think their top selection backs are still the best in the world. However for forwards imho they're beating beat-up and that makes it hard to win a game. I don't know what selection they can find to find for the forwards - But they need to have their expansive game for 2nd half of 2nd half as well as a Plan A kicking for territory game if the forwards are under pressure or else rush defence is stopping the expansive game too soon in the game... Fundamentally you have to put pressure going forwards down the middle to suck in or break the line before going out wide. Same in Rugby League fundamentally and kicking for position tactically when in own half to avoid penalties and points from goal from pressure.
Rush defence ain't going to look good if the line is broken down the middle or blind side by forwards first.
Pundits just talk crap to keep viewers watching - talking heads wasting everyone's time - same in most sports as they sell "personality" over "technical description".
Again your comment is good because it's descriptive instead of emotive waffle. Thank you.
@@commentarytalk1446 Mate you are spot on there. Personally I would like to see a few more of the tight five forwards play the ball a bit more, and carry a bit more dominantly. Right around the rucks, or just one out, kinda like you say. Punch it up, draw them in, and give our backs a chance to shred 'em.
I think our set-piece is solid enough but I feel like there are too many passengers around the park or at least guys who aren't quite living up to their potential. I would love to see Joe Moody showing some ball skills like he did when he first came along, or for guys like Ofa Tu'ungafasi to show some leg drive. Would love to see Brodie Retallick back up to full speed as well. Either that or bring in some new guys who can do it, or be developed along those lines.
@@commentarytalk1446 Yeah, my take as well. Leaving Franks at home for the 2019 RWC was a sign of things to come. It was that Wellington game that the AB's lost to the Boks which Hansen wanted to take to the next 'expansive level'. It was sort of downhill from there...
@@cobusbrits2 Definitely lost their balance. I watch all the Super Rugby (And NRL) and I don't see many forwards that I go "God that guy is a monster!" For sure there's some great runners/passers: I think Akira/Ardie WITH some big specialist forwards would actually be a perfect balance. Oz have one enormous ball-wreaker of a prop (islander) Tupou: He'd be perfect in NZ team.
Two weeks in a row ‘fatigue’ has come up as a common denominator.
You lads were out-played two weeks in a row.
Let's see if they can beat the AB's at home without 50,000 fans on their side at the beginning of our season,in your dreams paddys in your dreams.
Unfortunately true
Breakdown is a suitable name for this programme
Comn AB just keep calm. You will bounce back. You will always be the benchmark. 💪from bok supporter 🇿🇦.
Tired? Hum, they don't play so many games. And they were dedicated to prepare them
I looked 2 or 3 years ago at some stats and England players played about 4 times the amount of game time NZ players did lol. England players are flogged compared to NZ.
Well 15 tests, and a 3 month tour is mite than any northern team has made for 50 years champ
@@joedennehy386 15 tests in 5 months... And some against Tonga, Samoa, Fidji, USA, Italy... Some european players play far more than this!
As a Saffa... the All Blacks need Razor! I shudder at the thought of how good the All Black would be with him...
He’s no international experience whatsoever, so why does everyone assume he’s should be the next AB coach?
@@agr7879 Rugby is rugby mate. At least he has professional experience. He will do a great job no doubt.
@@agr7879 Saffa here, Forster is not the man for the job... but hey, we don't mind:) Keep the clown.
@@agr7879 Rassie had no international experience before joining sa...same with jake white or any coach who makes the step up. Foster is out of his depth
Who is Razor ?
Saying the NZ team lacked experience is pretty ridiculous when you look at the number of caps the French players had. Man of the match Mauvaka, who was immense, was only on his 9th cap! And only 6 of the French players had faced the Abs before. So I'll say it again: bravo les Bleus!!
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rance have been building up ready for the home world cup for a long time. they won the last 2 u20 rugby world cups.
also the the ABs have played so many games in the last few months that the video analysis people could do a great job of turning the tactics around. the speed of play at the breakdown from Ireland and France denyed the ABs the time to regroup for defence. they keep this up for the whole 80 minutes some thing no one but South Africa can do. but unlike SA the ran the ball into the defenfive hole rather than kick it. this with the quick turn around at every ruck (the fastest from Ireland was 1.2 seconds and the slowest was 4 seconds, but wales fastest ruck was 4 seconds) they were able to drive holes in the defence.
Oh so we're chalking it up to fatigue?
Truth is the Allblacks looked like they lack coaching - individually brilliant, but lacking coaching.
Your never know Wat it takes to be an All Black so keep watching rugby from the couch ya pansy
@@barrybrown3331 neither will you
@@kalomboC pansy
@@barrybrown3331 I haven't heard anyone being called a pansy for many years! Do my fellow Kiwis still say that back home, if you're in NZ? 🤣
Credit as always to New Zealand: the mark of the best is grace and humility in loss, and the eagerness to learn the right lessons from unexpected losses. Without hesitation, they recognized how well Ireland and France played, and are seeing the elements where New Zealand could improve. Indeed, both those test matches could have easily gone to the All Blacks favor.
I have no doubt that New Zealand will be the best overall team at the next World Cup -- though as we know, that doesn't guarantee victory!
Je suis d'accord, même francais, je n'ai pas un enthousiasme débordant il va sans dire que nous avons eu chaud, et vous êtes toujours craints n'ayez crainte. Bon l'arbitre vous a fait des fleurs quand même. J'ai trouvé 3 fautes grossières :
1/ Quand Jaminet court à l'essai, c'est un AB qui volontairement pousse le ballon hors jeu pour ne pas qu'il l'attrape. c'est une faute d'anti jeu.
2/ L'arbitre crie "use it" pour un de vos mauls, or le ballon est mal protégé car le dernier AB n'est pas lié aux autres. il se contente de toucher de la paume de la main (et non de l'épaule comme exigé dans la règle) ses partenaires. Un bleu se précipite pour contester le ballon. Il est pénalisé à tort car il avait tout a fait le droit de venir le prendre.
3/ La ligne ne fait pas partie du terrain. Si le ballon rebondit dessus lors d'un coup de pied il est Out. Cà on le voit clairement au ralentit mais l'arbitre accorde la touche aux AB avec lancer à suivre. ce qui vous offre belle une séquence de jeu dans notre camp. Je crois que vous marquez derrière.
Voilà vous pouvez traduire via google et me dire a votre tour les cadeaux offerts aux francais.. pas de souci.. Vive le rugby et le beau jeu !
It's good to see the northern teams get better can't rely on the southern hempesphere all the time awesome games to watch its good for the game in the long run
How do you counter outside in rush defence…chip kick??
Mils looking on target for Movember 👏🏾
Wolverine
Bunch of aragont pundits who can't handle that their team got slapped about
Allez Les Bleus!!!!! Always an honor to play the All-Blacks.
one thing you might have forgotten is that when France goes down under..the top 14 has just finished than you have a selection missing his best players....
Blue is the new Black
Take this as meant positively. As an English fan, I think the NZers have been guilty of believing their own hype at times. Because you were so good for so long, it's understandable.
The defensive performance against Ireland was exceptional. The fact that France were that good and you were in the game for so long. This has been a really good learning experience and there are lot of positives and things to learn from the tour. I think grounding some of the players and having to go back to the basics will be a great thing.
Coach Foster is the weak link too
The fact is that France is world champion under 20 since 3 or 4 years. When Ireland played with 37 old players and new zealand did not renewed it's team since a while. Dot.
The Input of 2 x Rugby League players S Edwards and A Farrell who played for Wigan are the major reason why Ireland and France beat the A B.
This reaction just shows why the AB's are such a good team. After such a long outing, homesick, knackered and stale resulting in two successive losses, the analysis is still very critical. Not taking anything away from the NH teams that were victorious this last weekend because it was just awesome, the AB's just need to get home, feet up and chill!
Anyhow what a weekend for NH rugby!
Bonjour, Just a question from my side and no arrogant attitude, because I just don't know.
How many game a AB play per year club and National team combine please. Merci
France won fair and square because they were superior on the day, disappointing excuses here
This season they will play 15-18 club games, and this year they played about 13 international games so maybe on average 30 games total each
this year we had 15 tests and most players probably played 10 of those, and super rugby where they played around another 10 from potentially 15-18 rounds
@@networkn French players will play a lot more, they'll have at least 26 league games in a season, then European games and potentially play offs, and then up to 10 international games. Obviously they won't all play every game, but it's likely they will play up to 10 matches more per season.
@@davidjones272 Where are they in the season right now? If they came to NZ for the last 3 games of the year, how do you think they would fare? I am not being a prat, I am saying the numbers need some perspective.
Salute John. French have evolve and continue to study our mistakes
I think they missed the ppoint that NH rugby has changed very quickly in the last couple of years as much as the AB players were 'tired'.
I have no doubt the Abs under Razor would have been a helluva lot better, this team under Fozz has an outdated game plan that has become very predictable & when put under pressure look like headless chooks, our structures around our breakdown & the ball carrier has been poor too, set moves off set pieces is non existent just one off runners every single time where is the creativity, where is the different variations in attack to counter the rush defense? Nothing! A huge part of the Abs success the last 10 years & the mastermind behind there innovation in attack was 'Wayne Smith' of all our coach's in the past most of our success came down to him, would have been so good to have had him in as a mentor under Razor as head coach & Tony Brown as assistant, just imagine with them three how good & different our attack would look today
exactly.. we are not getting much go forward and our breakdowns are markedly worse than the current form teams (ireland, SA, England , France); love how the Breakdown says Foster has been extended to the world cup get over it and then their solution to the ab attack is lets get a bunch of smart people to give foster some ideas tacitly admitting they foster has nothing
@@Marshallannes73 Yeah bro everything about the way how this team plays is wrong! We have the talent & our super comp has shown that time & again, Mo'unga was on fire the whole super season same with most the Abs for there franchises but as soon as the boyz got into the Abs environment under Fozz everything changed & they looked like a team that had no game plan no structure & just relied on individual talent to get us out of trouble
Why NZR doesn't see this? I fear they want we loose..
I think that All Blacks is still the strongest team in the world however I don't understand why they don't put the team under Robertson who is the best kiwi coach
Razor is the best that's available but I actually think that Dave Rennie and Jamie Joseph are better and have international experience but I can't see them switching over anytime soon.
@@beazjohnson9865 rennie won super rugby twice, great coach, Joseph once, great coach, Robertson 6 times wft you talking about?
@@beazjohnson9865 that's right, Robertson proposes the most advanced and evolved rugby in the world .. Crusaders have won all the trophies they have participated in .. Robertson's Crusaders would beat many tier 1 national teams easily! .. obviously all the coaches will remain at the helm of the teams up to RWC: any changes would occur after RWC .. so until 2023 Rennie's place is safe
@@joedennehy386 Crusaders under Robertson have proposed the most advanced rugby in the world.
@@joedennehy386 I see what you mean, but Rennie and Joseph won the competition with teams that were inferior on paper. Crusaders on the other hand, have always been great.
I love seeing NZ fans and pundits talking about there team struggling. Finally they know how the rest of the rugby world feels 90% of the time lol
The answer is back to a Earl Kirton styled play, plus use the blindside effectively. Then gaps will appear out wide on second and third phase plays.
Remember the All Blacks played a totally unwarranted game in USA to add to their workload, fatigue self inflicted
Come on ! French team was just better , full point 👌
@@tasmangirl has anyone said they weren’t mate?
@@yE6sniping they're making excuses for the loss, trying to say that they were bad not that the French were good.
@@Philzoid No? Actually the first thing anyone said was that the French played very well. But if you don’t think the ABs being tired had an impact on this game you obviously haven’t been following rugby very long, or played yourself for that matter. No one is taking anything away from the French performance when saying that because they were outstanding, but you can’t deny that being a factor.
@@yE6sniping fatigue shouldn't even be brought up end of story.
The innovation has gone, we’ve gone backwards since England in the RWC!
I feel the All Blacks finished their season after they won the championship, there was a noticeable drop in intensity and emotion after that last South Africa win
Just looked at this again and looks like NZ haven’t learned anything up to aqua ‘22. Every John said is still valid.