tip: pre-make a paracord triangle with loops at the corners and attach them to the legs of the tent. This way you can mount the fly first and the paracord will hold it in place. No need to spend $75 on a ground sheet.
Tip for the ventilation is to slightly open fly zips from the upper end, both sides. That should greatly increase the ventilation and ease with that moisture problem. We have loved our tiger wall so much with my wife, but last weekend we did forget the ventilation trip and the inside of the fly was really wet in the morning. Setup is so easy and I really, really love the semi-standing nature of the tent as you can even move the tent, dry & clean the inner tent etc. with help of the tubing. Also as a plus, we have Exped SynMat Duo HL LW which pretty much exactly fills the floor, even so that if there is no wind and we are lazy, that "semi self-standing" turns into "full self standing" tent. Ventilation problems, saggy fly when wet and zippers that need careful opening are the only negatives on a super good, easy-to-use, roomy, ultralight tent, which is pretty much ideal for our usage for like 1 week trips into Finnish Lapland. The carbon version would fix problems with the fly, but it's also super expensive. Ps. we could not find official footprint so we first used self-cut plastic footprint and now we are using MSR 2 person tent - regular footprint with an added tape for the 3rd pole in the middle. Works well, but obviously the official footprint would be more convenient.
I had that tent for half a season. I tried to love it. I live in the Sierra granite and every single time, even in campgrounds, I had issues with the semi part. I now own the copper spur and LOVE it, a bit extra weight, but 0 frustration.
I use the Tiger Wall UL3 for when I go hiking with my girlfriend and it works great for that. I think your review was quite fair and hit all the things that are great about it and could be better.
For a brief moment at the end I was expecting you to tell us about the perfect tent that doesn’t have those cons. I’m very much in the market for a lightweight, affordable double wall 2p tent with good ventilation and ergonomics, that doesn’t sag and hold on to moisture, … I guess perfection doesn’t exist. 😌
I own this tent and the only negative is the zippers on the rain fly they can snag, especially when wet. I purchased it on sale for 300.00 bucks a couple of years ago at REI. I now use a Duplex but for the money the Tiger Wall is a great little tent. I only use it solo, two would be tight but doable.
I have a Eureka single person tent and although it's pretty darn small, it does have a vent in the rain fly and clips for the rain fly as shown in this video. It was also less than half the price as the Big Agnes tent.
Great review. I purchased the updated Hubba Hubba 2P a few months back and had the luxury to buy a Big Agnes tent. I was on the fence on wether to get the Copper Spur or this tent so eventually I went with the CS. Its an awesome tent but im sure you can’t go wrong with either one!
I’ve had the two person for about 2.5 years now. Other than the normal flaws with the material it’s made with; my only gripe is the zipper on the fly always wants to bind up with the fabric. This is more of a problem when it gets wet, especially trying to open it up from the inside. I did spring for the footprint for the pitch first aspect, also it ain’t cheap so a little extra protection on your investment isn’t a bad thing.
86” rather than 66” is the advertised length of the floor. I assume it’s closer to 85”. I’m going to give this tent a try, hopefully it’s long enough for me. I’m about 6’1” with a size 13 foot, so my quilt/bag on the foot end hitting the inner fabric is often an issue for me. Semi free standing tents should have more tensioners like you said. And definitely agree it should be vented somewhere, you’d think having the same vent as the copper spur does on the head end would be a no brainer for big agnes.
I think it’s still worth it to get a second hand one for a bit cheaper (maybe $300 or so if you shop around)…but for a little more you can get a lighter tent with more versatility. Great video mate…cheers
I have this tent. I live and camp in the Pacific North wet. This tent will not keep you dry. The rain fly does not go all the way to the floor or ground. The bathtub floor is not very deep. It’s nylon. It seeps from the outside and weeps from the inside when it rains. I can endure being cold, hungry, tired and even hot, but NOT WET. Also, another big pho-paa, the rain fly does not line up with the zipper for the tent. So you have to do this awkward 2 handed zip/unzip of rain fly and then reach in at this odd angle to zip/unzip the tent itself. Very poor design there, just try it a few times and you’ll understand exactly what I’m talking about. On hikes where it doesn’t rain, A +, on hikes where it does rain, you’re gonna be miserable and never dry out. For an extra $200 bucks, get a zpack. It’s not nylon, won’t weep or seep, and no zippers to snag. Just my 2 cents
That's pretty strange - mine has kept me totally dry, without a drip coming in, for years, starting with the PCT in 2019, which included the rainy northwest section near the border! Used it on Canadian hikes since then, with many rainy nights, and the 1,000km Ireland Way last year, where I came through many a downpour totally dry with it. Now, it is a bit of a pain that it doesn't dry quickly, but I just take it out when I stop for a break during the day to do so, so that's a con, for sure, as sometimes there isn't a sunny break during the day. Re: rain fly going to the ground - it totally does, if you just cinch it down further, which is what I do for rainy nights, and the bathtub floor is plenty high in combination with a low sinch-down. I also haven't found any problem with the zip/unzip of the rain fly in relation to the door zip...even if you look at the opening shot in the video above, you can clearly see the very wide opening, I don't see how you're having trouble reaching it - maybe we have different reaching techniques?! :)
I’ve owned a Tiger Wall since they first came out and the only things I suggest changing on this tent are at the foot end of the tent. Those short factory stake outs need to be longer for different terrain. It’s easy to do with a 2mm rope and a line lock 3 adjuster. The tent can actually be put up with the tarp on it in the rain. Hook the buckles of the tarp to the outer at take down, lay it out and stake it out and put the pole together. Unlock one side and slide the pole in and pop up the pole as normal . You just set it up in the rain without soaking the inner body and it’s fairly quick. It’s really not hard to do
Hi. Can you put in some review on tents that can be bought in europe 😁 Thanks for this review. It is helping me figure put what i want in a lightweight tent :)
Had a Tiger Wall UL 2. Used it as a 1 person shelter. Pretty lightweight and LOTS of room. But I sold it after 2 seasons. Took up too much space to pitch and I didn't need the room or 2nd door. It would be my first choice if I were camping and sharing my shelter with someone else. Not happening, so I will continue to use my North Face O2. It was marketed as a 2 person but is really a 1.5 person tent. Love it. Wish NF would make a DCF version at a pound or so lighter. Sadly, they discontinued the O2 a few years ago. Reviews weren't great and it apparently didn't sell well. All said, I recommend it if you can find a gently used one. Tom Loves DIY
I am considering purchasing but was wondering if anybody had opinions on the Mtn Glo version of this tent. For only 1 oz in additional weight I like the idea of having the convenience/novelty of the built in lights. Does anybody know of any negatives or downsides to going with the Mtn Glo version?
Negative: absolutely not worth the weight. I just hang my headlamp overhead (I have tied up a piece of para chord across the width - attached to the little provided loops), and it provides widespread ambient light. For the amount of time at night and sometimes in the morning that I need light, it's really not worth the extra weight.
Mine does not have that huge pocket!! I'm upset bro!! Where is my huge storage pocket? The tent has been ok, it's had some leaks in the fly but I fixed them myself. Not sure it's was worth the money e en when I bought it like 2 yrs ago.
Mine neither! When I first got it in 19, I tied a piece of parachord into a T shape - from side to under the brow pole, and from there to the foot down the centre pole. Loops are provided for knotting it off. Makes for a great "clothes line"!
even if you don't use a trekking pole buying a separate tent pole to replace it and a "trekking pole tent" is still lighter and gives you a LOT more options
Too lightweight for me. I’m traditional in my tent I like a strong tent. I like to pull a small Uhaul full of bricks up the trail and build temporary cabin.
Please let people know, this is a sil/ nylon tent. There is a huge difference between a sil nylon and a regular “traditional “ nylon tent. I have had that tent and the Copper Spur. I have sold both. If you love a moisture absorbing product, go for sil. Not worth the prices for the weight difference.
Big Agnes products sucks, my copper spur ul tent tape seams came off in a flaky mess and the sil nylon fabric seems to be disintegrating and melting making my hands and all my gear slippery.
Great guarantee! Contact them - I got mine replaced - not fully, because I had used it on half of the PCT (lol), but I got 75% back and purchased the same tent, and the problem was solved - mine was zippers, and a few tiny holes in the floor. Have been using it since then, (1,000s of kms later), and all is well!
I returned this tent after a trip due to its frailty. Multiple rips and holes in the rain fly. Additionally the rainfly clips get jammed full of dirt and rocks in the real world.
I have used mine for 5 years, and no problem ever, with either of what you described - strange. Curious how the rainfly clips would get dirt and rocks in them??
tip: pre-make a paracord triangle with loops at the corners and attach them to the legs of the tent. This way you can mount the fly first and the paracord will hold it in place. No need to spend $75 on a ground sheet.
Sounds interesting. Any videos on how to do this? :)
You’re a genius bro
I'm kind of confused as to what you were saying. Are you saying using the rainfly as the ground cover?
@@opdgrow4life use a rope of paracord to make a triangle with loops at the corners of the tent. This will allow you to hold the structure.
3:15 66" long? (167cm) ? What is it, small woman tent? I think it is 218cm long.
Tip for the ventilation is to slightly open fly zips from the upper end, both sides. That should greatly increase the ventilation and ease with that moisture problem. We have loved our tiger wall so much with my wife, but last weekend we did forget the ventilation trip and the inside of the fly was really wet in the morning.
Setup is so easy and I really, really love the semi-standing nature of the tent as you can even move the tent, dry & clean the inner tent etc. with help of the tubing. Also as a plus, we have Exped SynMat Duo HL LW which pretty much exactly fills the floor, even so that if there is no wind and we are lazy, that "semi self-standing" turns into "full self standing" tent.
Ventilation problems, saggy fly when wet and zippers that need careful opening are the only negatives on a super good, easy-to-use, roomy, ultralight tent, which is pretty much ideal for our usage for like 1 week trips into Finnish Lapland.
The carbon version would fix problems with the fly, but it's also super expensive.
Ps. we could not find official footprint so we first used self-cut plastic footprint and now we are using MSR 2 person tent - regular footprint with an added tape for the 3rd pole in the middle. Works well, but obviously the official footprint would be more convenient.
I had that tent for half a season. I tried to love it. I live in the Sierra granite and every single time, even in campgrounds, I had issues with the semi part. I now own the copper spur and LOVE it, a bit extra weight, but 0 frustration.
I use the Tiger Wall UL3 for when I go hiking with my girlfriend and it works great for that. I think your review was quite fair and hit all the things that are great about it and could be better.
For a brief moment at the end I was expecting you to tell us about the perfect tent that doesn’t have those cons. I’m very much in the market for a lightweight, affordable double wall 2p tent with good ventilation and ergonomics, that doesn’t sag and hold on to moisture, … I guess perfection doesn’t exist. 😌
I second this! Would love to hear about a true 2p backpacking tent that is closest to perfection
X-mid 2p is pretty close!
Check out the new Nemo Dagger or Hornet OSMO! I’m hoping they will make the OSMO fabric available to more models
Did you find? :)
I own this tent and the only negative is the zippers on the rain fly they can snag, especially when wet. I purchased it on sale for 300.00 bucks a couple of years ago at REI. I now use a Duplex but for the money the Tiger Wall is a great little tent.
I only use it solo, two would be tight but doable.
My Tiger wall ul3 is truely a Palace from the inside and I love it.
I have the tiger wall ul1, i love how its light weight and easy to set up. Its the perfect size for me since I'm a pretty small person.
Really great thorough review! Much appreciated, great video.
I have a Eureka single person tent and although it's pretty darn small, it does have a vent in the rain fly and clips for the rain fly as shown in this video. It was also less than half the price as the Big Agnes tent.
Great review. I purchased the updated Hubba Hubba 2P a few months back and had the luxury to buy a Big Agnes tent. I was on the fence on wether to get the Copper Spur or this tent so eventually I went with the CS. Its an awesome tent but im sure you can’t go wrong with either one!
I’ve had the two person for about 2.5 years now. Other than the normal flaws with the material it’s made with; my only gripe is the zipper on the fly always wants to bind up with the fabric. This is more of a problem when it gets wet, especially trying to open it up from the inside. I did spring for the footprint for the pitch first aspect, also it ain’t cheap so a little extra protection on your investment isn’t a bad thing.
86” rather than 66” is the advertised length of the floor. I assume it’s closer to 85”. I’m going to give this tent a try, hopefully it’s long enough for me. I’m about 6’1” with a size 13 foot, so my quilt/bag on the foot end hitting the inner fabric is often an issue for me. Semi free standing tents should have more tensioners like you said. And definitely agree it should be vented somewhere, you’d think having the same vent as the copper spur does on the head end would be a no brainer for big agnes.
I’m 6’1.5” and I’ve used the Tiger wall since it first came out. I own the 2 and 3 person and wouldn’t change them at this point
I think it’s still worth it to get a second hand one for a bit cheaper (maybe $300 or so if you shop around)…but for a little more you can get a lighter tent with more versatility. Great video mate…cheers
Have you looked at the tarptent dipole 2 Li? I would love to see a review video. Thanks for all you do.
I have this tent. I live and camp in the Pacific North wet. This tent will not keep you dry. The rain fly does not go all the way to the floor or ground. The bathtub floor is not very deep. It’s nylon. It seeps from the outside and weeps from the inside when it rains. I can endure being cold, hungry, tired and even hot, but NOT WET. Also, another big pho-paa, the rain fly does not line up with the zipper for the tent. So you have to do this awkward 2 handed zip/unzip of rain fly and then reach in at this odd angle to zip/unzip the tent itself. Very poor design there, just try it a few times and you’ll understand exactly what I’m talking about.
On hikes where it doesn’t rain, A +, on hikes where it does rain, you’re gonna be miserable and never dry out. For an extra $200 bucks, get a zpack. It’s not nylon, won’t weep or seep, and no zippers to snag. Just my 2 cents
I never put my finger on the issue with the zippers not lining up until you commented this. I thought maybe I was doing something wrong.
That's pretty strange - mine has kept me totally dry, without a drip coming in, for years, starting with the PCT in 2019, which included the rainy northwest section near the border! Used it on Canadian hikes since then, with many rainy nights, and the 1,000km Ireland Way last year, where I came through many a downpour totally dry with it. Now, it is a bit of a pain that it doesn't dry quickly, but I just take it out when I stop for a break during the day to do so, so that's a con, for sure, as sometimes there isn't a sunny break during the day. Re: rain fly going to the ground - it totally does, if you just cinch it down further, which is what I do for rainy nights, and the bathtub floor is plenty high in combination with a low sinch-down. I also haven't found any problem with the zip/unzip of the rain fly in relation to the door zip...even if you look at the opening shot in the video above, you can clearly see the very wide opening, I don't see how you're having trouble reaching it - maybe we have different reaching techniques?! :)
Great video, just thinking about buying this tent. BTW length of the tent is not 66 but 86 inchces. :)
Pocket genius!
Opening the vestibule is the same issue with the Zpacks, but maybe I just have little arms.
Thanks for the great review!
I’ve owned a Tiger Wall since they first came out and the only things I suggest changing on this tent are at the foot end of the tent. Those short factory stake outs need to be longer for different terrain. It’s easy to do with a 2mm rope and a line lock 3 adjuster. The tent can actually be put up with the tarp on it in the rain. Hook the buckles of the tarp to the outer at take down, lay it out and stake it out and put the pole together. Unlock one side and slide the pole in and pop up the pole as normal . You just set it up in the rain without soaking the inner body and it’s fairly quick. It’s really not hard to do
OMG! This is brilliant! Any video of this that you know of?
Yes, the guy I saw after I did mine is Ahonui Outdoors
Super review!
Still a great UL tent. Hate the smaller foot end. but otherwise its my go-to tent.
still an amazing tent
Is this tent suitable for 15-20°F of the wind isn’t out of control?
The colors of new tents make me just use my camo tarp setup but just found a big ag that's green yeah
Need recommendations for a backpacking tent that con accommodate 2 25 inch wide rectangle pads? Or should I go with a 3person version
The X-Mid 2P is one of the few I have come across that is still lightweight. Otherwise, you'll likely have to go wit ha 3P.
Hey Justin, any news on the Comfort video of the s2s, nemo & q-core? Need a new pad for my september trip and waiting on your video haha :)
What the hold up with the slingfin 2lite review
I sent it back as it just wasn't a good fit for me
Paid $300 for mine last week so that price point was not neutral. $345 with footprint. Love 4th of July sales.
Hi. Can you put in some review on tents that can be bought in europe 😁
Thanks for this review. It is helping me figure put what i want in a lightweight tent :)
This tent can be bought in Europe no problem.
I bought this from Europe, Finland.
Thanks for the shout out to the UK Highlands , our mountain weather will break USA tents regularly 😂 Cheers Justin
Had a Tiger Wall UL 2. Used it as a 1 person shelter. Pretty lightweight and LOTS of room. But I sold it after 2 seasons. Took up too much space to pitch and I didn't need the room or 2nd door. It would be my first choice if I were camping and sharing my shelter with someone else. Not happening, so I will continue to use my North Face O2. It was marketed as a 2 person but is really a 1.5 person tent. Love it. Wish NF would make a DCF version at a pound or so lighter. Sadly, they discontinued the O2 a few years ago. Reviews weren't great and it apparently didn't sell well. All said, I recommend it if you can find a gently used one. Tom Loves DIY
Does it fit 2 25 inch sleeping pads?
Tarptent Double Rainbow Li compared with it?
When it is wet and you unzip the fly it drops into the tent and gets the interior wet
I flip it up and out, so it actually sticks to the outside of the overhead fly to avoid the problem you describe.
I am considering purchasing but was wondering if anybody had opinions on the Mtn Glo version of this tent. For only 1 oz in additional weight I like the idea of having the convenience/novelty of the built in lights. Does anybody know of any negatives or downsides to going with the Mtn Glo version?
Negative: absolutely not worth the weight. I just hang my headlamp overhead (I have tied up a piece of para chord across the width - attached to the little provided loops), and it provides widespread ambient light. For the amount of time at night and sometimes in the morning that I need light, it's really not worth the extra weight.
We got our tiger wall at REI for 299.99 on sale
I had to do a double-take at 3:14. Tent is only 66 inches long? :)
When’s that Mariposa review coming ha
Mine does not have that huge pocket!! I'm upset bro!! Where is my huge storage pocket? The tent has been ok, it's had some leaks in the fly but I fixed them myself. Not sure it's was worth the money e en when I bought it like 2 yrs ago.
Mine neither! When I first got it in 19, I tied a piece of parachord into a T shape - from side to under the brow pole, and from there to the foot down the centre pole. Loops are provided for knotting it off. Makes for a great "clothes line"!
I know you are big into environment. Try picking up TNF eco trail 2P tent and let us know what you think! :)
Website shows 86" long (not 66")
Something tells me it's longer than 66in. Normal pads are 72in.
yes .. obviously ! ... LOL
it's 86 inches
Is the tent really only 66 inches long? That sounds awfully short.
86in :)
86" long not 66" ??
even if you don't use a trekking pole buying a separate tent pole to replace it and a "trekking pole tent" is still lighter and gives you a LOT more options
66 inches long?
It’s 86”.
Too lightweight for me. I’m traditional in my tent I like a strong tent. I like to pull a small Uhaul full of bricks up the trail and build temporary cabin.
Did you mean 86 inches long? 66 sounds really short
2023 2 person Tigerwall: $470 ($70 floor mat).
Please let people know, this is a sil/ nylon tent. There is a huge difference between a sil nylon and a regular “traditional “ nylon tent. I have had that tent and the Copper Spur. I have sold both. If you love a moisture absorbing product, go for sil. Not worth the prices for the weight difference.
Big Agnes products sucks, my copper spur ul tent tape seams came off in a flaky mess and the sil nylon fabric seems to be disintegrating and melting making my hands and all my gear slippery.
Great guarantee! Contact them - I got mine replaced - not fully, because I had used it on half of the PCT (lol), but I got 75% back and purchased the same tent, and the problem was solved - mine was zippers, and a few tiny holes in the floor. Have been using it since then, (1,000s of kms later), and all is well!
He clearly says, “the big anus tent” at the beginning. Bro….. slow down your speech and pronounce the words. Lol
I returned this tent after a trip due to its frailty. Multiple rips and holes in the rain fly. Additionally the rainfly clips get jammed full of dirt and rocks in the real world.
I have used mine for 5 years, and no problem ever, with either of what you described - strange. Curious how the rainfly clips would get dirt and rocks in them??
Hi, how to contact you?