What Really Happened In The Silmarillion Compared To Rings of Power Season 1...

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  • @kingtarly499
    @kingtarly499 3 місяці тому +21

    I got my bedtime video for the whole winter thanks !😂

  • @Raggmopp-xl7yf
    @Raggmopp-xl7yf 2 місяці тому +14

    I've read Silmarillion, Hobbit & LOTR many times starting at age 12. By the time I was a grownup I'd noticed one thing about Galadriel - if trouble was coming she'd disappear. And she'd disappear without warning anybody else. She had the "Sight" afterall. If people had been paying attention I can imagine a scenario where...."Yo, Bob! Where ya going?" Oh, heyTom! Leaving town - just saw Galadriel leaving." "Sh!t! Martha! Grab the kids - Galadriel left!"

    • @greywolf8836
      @greywolf8836 2 місяці тому +1

      Not entirely true. She did ride with Gandalf, Sauroman, and Elrond to put the boots to Sauron when he was in Dol Guldor.
      She also went back to Dol Guldor during the events of LOTR and tore it down to the foundations.

  • @mattmmilli8287
    @mattmmilli8287 2 місяці тому +2

    Bless you. Never watched it but this is good to cleanse any confusion. I hope the real thing gets made someday! Amazon is out of their minds just winging a fanfic because they legally can’t make the actual Silmarillion

  • @Chrisytigers
    @Chrisytigers 3 місяці тому +5

    Leaving this for bedtime. ✅️

  • @PurpleAlize
    @PurpleAlize 3 місяці тому +3

    Thank you for your hard work!! ❤

  • @silenttoxic707
    @silenttoxic707 3 місяці тому +7

    Leaving this for work tomorrow

  • @dislikebutton8789
    @dislikebutton8789 3 місяці тому +3

    Great video! Will watch multiple times to boost for you man!!

  • @Asherfonseca
    @Asherfonseca Місяць тому +1

    I haven't read your comments, so forgive me if someone has expressed the meaning of the lyrics. It's about "The Reaper" enticing someone to commit suicide. It eludes to her struggling to choose life, when she is so weak in her despair. He finally convinced her to take her own life. This is truly a sad song that grabs you and tells you to beware of being at peace and comforted. The beauty of life is in the struggle. Cliché, I know, but we are alive when we feel. My Son had the Drummer, Albert Bouchard as his Music Teacher. He played with him. What a gift.

  • @nickmymo3100
    @nickmymo3100 2 місяці тому +1

    Love the show and love this video can’t explain everything in show never as detailed or as good as books but is entertaining

  • @forfun6273
    @forfun6273 3 місяці тому +3

    I wonder if they’ll have glorfindel show up. If I’m not mistaken he was sent to counter Sauron in the second age before the Istari were sent.

  • @marcellojun
    @marcellojun 2 дні тому

    Great video. Thanks

  • @elMentity
    @elMentity 2 місяці тому +3

    I enjoy how thorough your videos are! Hate to be the one to tell you though... the letter "C" in elvish names is pronounced hard. Like "Keleborn" or "Kelebrimbor" etc. Easy mistake to make! Good thing the showrunners had access to the appendices with the pronunciation guide or they might have fucked that up too haha

  • @samcarroll4767
    @samcarroll4767 4 дні тому +1

    I always kind of liked the LOTR movies. Thought they were cool. Really had no idea of the depth and width of it all. Wow

  • @originalsainthood
    @originalsainthood 2 місяці тому +8

    This show has absolutely nothing to do with The Silmarillion or any of J.R.R. Tolkiens work. This is a show that is in its own category of fan fiction. Actually, I wouldn't even consider the show runners to be fans of this material to be honest. Real fans wouldn't desecrate the original material to the extent these two idiots who run this show have done.

    • @Aurora2097
      @Aurora2097 Місяць тому +1

      Oh yes, a lot of bad fanfic writers do that, they get enarmored with their own work too much, just like Payne and Maccay. Watch their interviews, they are two pretty dumb and naive simpletons who think their own work is genius. They like Tolkien but they don't understand why, why they suck at adaption, they don't understand his writing.

  • @Schnitzelfox
    @Schnitzelfox 3 місяці тому +11

    you had the hard job of finding out galadriels timline, my condolocences

    • @joshbrown1311
      @joshbrown1311 2 місяці тому

      Who cares the show is good

    • @tinalovre
      @tinalovre 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@joshbrown1311 lmaoo you are deluded

  • @alexneff
    @alexneff 3 місяці тому +4

    I hear there is a tornado in her in season 2

  • @troffle
    @troffle 3 місяці тому +1

    I am very much looking forward to watching this whole video and I thank you. Anything that goes back to the real lore (which I am also still getting through) deserves a plus. IS a plus.
    One quibble, about 1m48s in. If nothing here in Tirion in Valinor is "inherently evil" (please don't say we're talking about quantities "degrees of evil" here), then why are the other children bullying Galadriel, trying to sink her bird and why is her response to punch the boy's face in SORRY TO CONFRONT THE MAIN INSTIGATOR?
    I mean, I'm not even criticising Prime Galadriel there. I'm just criticising RoP and everybody involved in bringing this foul evil to light.
    Hold up - are you trying to blend The Silmarillion's story with RoP's, with only the appearance of the Amazon Prime logo as the signifier?
    No, let me rephrase that. Verbally you're definitely separating the two. The visual presentation doesn't make it immediately obvious though, I see.
    Oooh, oh, begging your pardon: 17m in, heard the pronunciation of "Seleborn". Appendix E, Writing and Spelling, Pronunciation of Words and Names, Consonants: "C has always the value of k even before e and i: celeb ‘silver’ should be pronounced as keleb". "KIR-dan". "Ke-le-BRIM-bor".
    ... yes I know how that makes me look. Just giving the reference in case you want to check for yourself.
    Similarly with "Eregion". "G has only the sound of g in give, get: gil 'star', in Gildor, Gilraen, Osgiliath, begins as in English gild". "E-re-gI-on".
    "VALar". Emphasis on the first syllable. Usually, the emphasis in a word is in the second-last syllable. "Gil-GALad".
    "Ëarien" is not "Ear-ien". It would be "E-a-rI-en". In the Vowels section of that appendix? "In Quenya ui, oi, ai and iu, eu, au are diphthongs (that is, pronounced in one syllable). All other pairs of vowels are dissyllabic [two syllables]. This is often dictated by writing ëa (Eä), ëo, oë."
    Please, please, please don't say "Hobbit-like Harfoots". That's like saying "American-like New Yorkers". Sorry my bad I was so focussed on content I didn't realise your accent was mine. It's like saying "Australian-like Victorians" or "Australian-like New South Welsh" or "Australian-like Queenslanders".
    26m47s: they bring "the Stranger" to a dilapidated and deserted wagon IF THEY DE-LEAVE STRAGGLERS BEHIND, HOW DID A CARAVAN END UP DESERTED WITH THESE STAGE-IRISH HORRORS?
    Actually, this video is INCREDIBLY useful for pulling apart the show's logic, even disregarding the lore. Didn't Prime Durin III disown Prime Durin IV and Disa? Which, if she has a "unique" skill of "resonating", how would they possibly let that disowning happen? Why is it we see she sings in chorus with other "unique" singers? And if her sound, like ohIdunno DC's "Black Canary" can also dig sunshafts by itself, how are these singers not on EVERY SINGLE DIG THE DWARVES HAVE?
    ... why do these people bother to set up rules and then just NOT FOLLOW THROUGH? I mean, THEIR OWN RULES forgodsownstupidsake.
    > After the eruption of Orodruin, the Southlands of Tirharad lie in ruins, with only remnants left behind. Galadriel emerges from her slumber ... The entire world surrounding her is engulfed in flames. The other survivors also show no signs of harm except for injuries from falling debris
    ... and... that's ALL you're going to say about that?
    > Therefore his return is imperative for the show to remain faithful to Tolkien's canon
    WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!
    > He rises and employs the staff to conquer the three wise women and declares that he is not Sauron. He is Istar
    Meaning that the "three wise women" as Istarphobes?
    > The Istar known as The Stranger cleverly explains his memory loss. In The Lord of the rings, Gandalf and the other wizards have been in Middle-earth for centuries, gaining wisdom over time. When Istari first arrive, they are depicted as newcomers learning everything anew, similar to The Ring Of Power's portrayal of The Stranger. The memory loss is a consequence of wizards traveling from Valinor to Middle-earth.
    Erm, CITATION NEEDED. The Silmarillion, the Appendices and the Unfinished Tales all have similar passages; more in the Unfinished Tales, where he is sent by Manwë to perform his task in Middle-earth; and he brings the healing stone "Elessar" from Yavanna to Galadriel. None of this could happen if he were a "newcomer learning everything anew".
    > Galadriel reluctantly gives up her sword, which melts and when combined with mithril, enables the forging of three rings.
    At least one of which is very obviously only made up of one metal, not a combination of three.

    • @lucyosborne9239
      @lucyosborne9239 2 місяці тому +1

      Thank you for that comment. I very much doubt Galadriel would have punched a stupid bully no matter her age. She's better, mightier, more pure than that.

    • @troffle
      @troffle 2 місяці тому

      @@lucyosborne9239
      1) You are most, most welcome. Thank you for the comment.
      2) Although let's be fair, at this point Gollum is better, mightier and more pure than anything depicted on this show.

  • @Thatdudefresh
    @Thatdudefresh 2 місяці тому +3

    Found out Simon Tolkien stated he wanted this show to be like breaking bad and Sauron to be Walter White....WTF???? Str8 🤡

    • @Aurora2097
      @Aurora2097 Місяць тому +1

      He is a writer of modern crime fiction... i doubt he understands or even likes his grandfathers works.

  • @TihonTheDED
    @TihonTheDED 3 місяці тому +12

    Dude that's amazing!!! RoP is such shitshow that no one will watch it so this video is amazing !!! Thanks!!!

    • @troffle
      @troffle 3 місяці тому +1

      Worse: virtually nobody who will watch RoP will read the book, so this work is even more valuable.

  • @stellarsjay1773
    @stellarsjay1773 2 місяці тому +1

    Problem with Galadriel was that Tolkien himself kept changing her story.

  • @MJC1891
    @MJC1891 3 місяці тому +2

    Holy shit ❤

  • @jbearmcdougall1646
    @jbearmcdougall1646 3 місяці тому +18

    If you love Tolkien and the stories he wrote, you’ll think that R.o.P is crap….And you’d be correct… it’s got no storyline at all…

    • @camielkotte
      @camielkotte 2 місяці тому +1

      It lacks character. But that's what you get with Amazon. They demolished the chances for Asimov's Foundation too. As well as The wheel of time.
      It's a lack of general cinematography art and character building and story line , covered by loads of money .
      Did you ever hear Bezos laugh ? He sounds evil. Forced and insincere. As many shows on Amazon. Too bad.

    • @joshbrown1311
      @joshbrown1311 2 місяці тому

      Stfu it’s a show adaptation they’re giving visuals of words wrote in a book it’s more expensive to make a movie or show than it is to write on paper book lovers get off the shows/movies dicks they’re doin the best they can with they’re budget tryn to put live action with for words book readers just keep reading books don’t try to watch live action adaptations tf

  • @elMentity
    @elMentity 2 місяці тому

    Loving this full season recap with lore bits inserted. Now i dont have to slog through the whole disappointing show all over again 😀

  • @cpmf2112
    @cpmf2112 3 місяці тому +38

    I blame the Tolkien estate for a good deal of the changes, they would not even consider licensing any of the Silmarillion. It was simply never on the table. That forced many of the changes because there was no other way than to make it up with the source material off limits.
    Seriously clownish replies 🙄

    • @chizzelfingers
      @chizzelfingers 3 місяці тому

      that has nothing to do with how bad thecwriting is,how dumb the actors are or how stupid the story is. liberals just can't create anything good. they can only steal ideas from much smarter men. it's simply an iq issue with liberals.

    • @themage1016
      @themage1016 3 місяці тому +4

      No Amazon alrdy has the rights to adapt it before hand, they could have shelled out more money to actually buy the rights for the whole thing but they decided to go to with the appendices cuz they couldn’t be bothered.

    • @cpmf2112
      @cpmf2112 3 місяці тому +6

      @@themage1016 nope, the Tolkien estate said that most of the Silmarillion was never available.

    • @Treayom
      @Treayom 3 місяці тому +7

      Amazon managed to make Tolkien fans hate Galadriel and cheer for Sauron 😅😅

    • @Aurora2097
      @Aurora2097 3 місяці тому +6

      No, they just couldn't come up with a good story!

  • @baldis12
    @baldis12 3 місяці тому +1

    Why did you skip so much from the silmarilion? Feanor.. was even written on the screen

  • @philipdawes2661
    @philipdawes2661 Місяць тому

    No idea why they called the place Tir Harad, as Harad is a very different place from Mordor.

  • @s3nju279
    @s3nju279 2 місяці тому +1

    its not based on the silmarillion. in fact they were prohibited from used stuff from the silmarillion.

    • @joshbrown1311
      @joshbrown1311 2 місяці тому

      So what the show itself is good

    • @s3nju279
      @s3nju279 2 місяці тому

      @@joshbrown1311 im glad you thing so.

    • @joshbrown1311
      @joshbrown1311 2 місяці тому

      @@s3nju279 stfu if you don’t like the show

    • @tinalovre
      @tinalovre Місяць тому

      ​@@joshbrown1311 braindead amazon dickrider

  • @DaemonTargaryen-w6e
    @DaemonTargaryen-w6e 3 місяці тому +1

    Can you make this kind of content for ice and fire or fire and blood

    • @jess5091
      @jess5091 2 місяці тому

      Pretty sure they do- it’s a different channel but I’ve listened to hours of this dudes voice.

    • @DaemonTargaryen-w6e
      @DaemonTargaryen-w6e 2 місяці тому

      @@jess5091 where?

  • @Aurora2097
    @Aurora2097 Місяць тому

    I tried to pin down what rings of power does wrong. It lacks an understanding of the fantastic, the mythologic,,the otherworldly, on the other hand it doesn't know worldbuilding, internal logic and characterisation.
    It's elves are just humans with pointy ears, its Numenoreans are just random US Americans living on a medieval island, it's orcs are just a misunderstood minority, it's dwarves are just Urban us americans who happen to,live underground. They really think they improve on Tolkien by modernizing his world, they lack an understanding of the archaisms of his world, of the catholic philosophy of good and evil, of his romantic understanding of love and chivalry.
    They just mash up some Tolkien names and elements into some pastiche that has no heart and Soul. It is Star Trek Discovery in a Sword and Sorcery setting.

    • @Aurora2097
      @Aurora2097 Місяць тому

      Sadly people seem to be happy enough with some nice pictures and music, even the critics don't understand why Trop is bad from an artistic pov, all they can think of are toxic fans.They as well have forgotten what good storytelling and writing is, to them , if a story looks modern and has all the right checkboxes checked, it is good by their standards. As long as it sells to the random viewer who doesn't ask for much it still pays off.They bought success, that's what expensice IP and the advertising industry are all about.

  • @ellietobe
    @ellietobe Місяць тому +2

    Oh, come on. The atrocity that Amazon made had nothing to do with what Tolkien wrote except that they used some of the same names. You left out most of the key factors of what was actually written by Tolkien.

  • @Robot.Palmtree
    @Robot.Palmtree Місяць тому

    Lol "SELEBORN"
    "SELEBRIAN"
    "VALÁR"
    is it some kind of theme to mispronounce Tolkien's character names?

  • @nerdwarrior0956
    @nerdwarrior0956 Місяць тому +1

    this spoilers?

    • @videobooks3
      @videobooks3  Місяць тому

      Kind of, depends on how much the show takes from the Silmarillion

  • @mathieupotvin3448
    @mathieupotvin3448 3 місяці тому

    All this video for nothing because Prime created their series base on the 3 movies and lores of Jackson movies so don t compare the silmarilion with this scrap series

    • @dislikebutton8789
      @dislikebutton8789 3 місяці тому +1

      True and not, they have the appendices lollll

  • @joshbrown1311
    @joshbrown1311 2 місяці тому

    Just enjoy the adaptation that they gave us good writing leaves for adaptation stop choking chickens over it

  • @alexneff
    @alexneff 3 місяці тому +2

    I bet it's sarumon not Gandalf

    • @chronosschiron
      @chronosschiron 2 місяці тому +1

      watch the last few eps
      the eastern rhun wizard says he will deal wiht the istari
      only another mairer can deal with such
      he is the other blue wizard and you learn that after that talk with tom bombadil
      HE WILL FAIL but his actions delay and weaken sauron

    • @bw1074
      @bw1074 2 місяці тому +1

      @@chronosschiron well....hope you watched the latest episode. He became Gandalf

    • @chronosschiron
      @chronosschiron 2 місяці тому

      @@bw1074
      what a mess they ae making of this
      let me see first ill comment again later

    • @chronosschiron
      @chronosschiron 2 місяці тому +1

      @@bw1074 omg half way in they have massacred what was written might as well call this rings of whatever

    • @chronosschiron
      @chronosschiron 2 місяці тому

      grandelf.....in the east never meeting in lindon to get his ring ????????????????
      oh ,my

  • @jmitterii2
    @jmitterii2 Місяць тому

    Basically, everything.
    This is nothing to do with Tolkien's lore. Other than a few names and places. Everything else is a bad fantasy fiction that has nothing to do with Tolkien's lore.

  • @patrickempson7366
    @patrickempson7366 24 дні тому +1

    They wouldn’t be able to have a ring maker being stung up and waved around like a banner.

  • @stevendiaz619
    @stevendiaz619 3 місяці тому +2

    It’s for television so changes have to be made. Get over it people. No one was mad when Gandalf came back to Frodo’s after he came back from Gondor to make sure the ring was safe right away. In the books he didn’t come back FOR NINE YEARS.

    • @AnnoyingCritic-is7rp
      @AnnoyingCritic-is7rp 2 місяці тому +2

      Jackson does make some changes, but the main story is left intact both in terms of sequences of events as well as characters.
      Rings of Power is exactly the opposite. It invents whole series of stories, and ignores the original stories.
      Everything about Galadriel is made up - except she did later fight in Mordor. The conflict between her and Elrond did not exist. She did not dive into the middle of the ocean and fall in love with Sauron. She did not lead a Numenorian army into the Southlands or into Mordor and witness Adar ignite Mount Doom. She did not know for certain that Anatar and Celebrimbor were making rings.
      There was no Adar. She was not captured nor prevented Elrond from attacking Adar (of course).
      Nor did she give Adar the elven ring. She did not taunt Sauron with it. She did not fight Sauron. Sauron did not turn into a image of her for no reason at all.
      She did not jump off a cliff and survive because the writers changed the laws of physics for the plot.
      Nor was she kissed by Elrond to escape Adar who she never met.
      And that is just the Galadriel story. Rings of Power is fanfiction, which invents all of these stories and changes most of the characters when the plot demands it. To say that it is like Jackson's adoption of the Lord of the Rings, and has similar differences, is clearly, plainly and absolutely a false equivalence and a false statement.
      Also, recognize that Tolkien himself would be the greatest critic of Rings of power that ever lived. When you criticize us you are really criticizing him. So give us some respect!

  • @Rob-ik7jy
    @Rob-ik7jy Місяць тому

    Fk the rings of power, it's a complete embarrassment to the Tolkien name. I can even begin to explain how much I hate everything about it

  • @kjellduteweert9262
    @kjellduteweert9262 3 місяці тому

    Not too dark. But not woke enough for amazon Prime.

    • @mpnuorva
      @mpnuorva 3 місяці тому

      It's based on Silmarillion's appendices which are in line with the rest of the book.

  • @DaemonTargaryen-w6e
    @DaemonTargaryen-w6e 3 місяці тому

    💀💀

  • @hangalf
    @hangalf 3 місяці тому +1

    Oh my it's so bad!

  • @rosshopkins2063
    @rosshopkins2063 2 місяці тому

    The fucking silmarillion is insane....the fact that it basically turns into van helsing is amazing.

  • @DB-zk6td
    @DB-zk6td 22 дні тому +1

    This show is not Tolkien. It’s something the current generation can digest. If you never read any of Tolkien’s writings, it’s pretty good. However if you have read all available Tolkien, it makes you sick. 🤢

  • @Thatdudefresh
    @Thatdudefresh 3 місяці тому +3

    This show is F'NG HORRIBLE

  • @MrEtherlord
    @MrEtherlord 3 місяці тому

    One minute in and the first bullshit. The show isn't based on Silmarillion, they don't have rights for it. Good that I saved 3 hours watching this trash.

  • @kingtarly499
    @kingtarly499 3 місяці тому +3

    Season 2 episode 3 copied everything from house of the dragons Aegons Coronation

  • @kumabear3529
    @kumabear3529 24 дні тому +1

    Except R O P has nothing to do with the silmarilion

  • @YiannissB.
    @YiannissB. 3 місяці тому +6

    Well I would watch your content but I really can't be bothered with rings of power. Especially for 3+ hours. Pass

    • @videobooks3
      @videobooks3  3 місяці тому +10

      Well we talk about what really happened in the silmarillion, so if you're curious to know the real lore of the Lord of the Rings, you could give the video a try 😅

    • @YiannissB.
      @YiannissB. 3 місяці тому +4

      @@videobooks3
      I'd watch a 3 hours video on silmarilion, for sure. I've read it recently and really liked it. But I'm just triggered by RoP. Sry

    • @YiannissB.
      @YiannissB. 3 місяці тому +4

      ​@@videobooks3 Still subbing tho

  • @silentninja2754
    @silentninja2754 Місяць тому

    Ai voice and mispronouncing names.

  • @tastegeorgia674
    @tastegeorgia674 3 місяці тому +1

    This series is so bad

    • @troffle
      @troffle 3 місяці тому

      "... how bad is it?"