I’ll tell you where they went wrong: when Schoen and Daboll got here the offensive line was ranked 30th and 31st in the 2 previous years. 3 years have gone by and line has been ranked 30th , 32nd and so far this year 29th.
There "was" talent to build around on the Giants two years ago, but Schoen got rid of it, mostly with little or nothing in return. How can you keep a GM who has single handedly made a team worse every season?! He needs to be fired, and a GM who is a true established talent evaluator needs to be hired.
Patty good analysis. But you’re basically saying what most intelligent knowledgeable fans know: it’s not all about the quarterback. They ruined Jones like the jets ruined Darnold.
Completely agree! I would add that the media deserves their fair share of blame too! They stir the pot for clicks, lobby the fans for moves and daft decisions, then wash their hand and say “I told you so” when it all goes south!
On drafting Daniel Jones…I really find it hard to believe that there were many teams looking to take him in that draft. I think the Manning/Cuttcliffe narrative was overstated. He was mediocre at a mediocre football school playing against mediocre talent in a mediocre conference. Nothing about his career suggested he was worthy of a #6 pick!!!!!
Hi Patti, when you say Mara wants stability. It sounds like what Mara told the public back around 2-6 in that both Schoen and Dabs are good till at least the beginning of 2025.
Very thorough analysis. If Schoen’s cardinal sin is doubling down on mistakes, then what could be Mara’s rationale for doubling down on Schoen? Regretting past impatience is an entirely backward looking consideration. Given Ed’s insight that this seems like the first year of a rebuild, isn’t too much patience the greater risk, as with 6 years of Jones?
The greatest problem isn’t that Mara/Tisch continue to create organizational turmoil by constantly firing GM’s and HC’s. The problem is they can’t seem to hire the right ones in the first place.
Neither Schoen nor DABOLL should keep their jobs. I have been a NYG fan since I was 7 years old and currently 65. For 52 years this IS THE WORST SEASON OF ALL!. THE FANS HAVE HAD ENOUGH! I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THE MORALE IS IN THE LOCKER ROOM. THE PLAYERS WILL TURN IT AROUND FOR SURE. BUT NOT BY DABOLL AND SCHOEN. IT'S NOT JUST THE POOR COACHING IT'S SIGNING D Jones for 160 million! And TRADE BARKLEY! Extremely POOR DECISION! OH BY THE WAY THEY HAVE BEEN SO BAD THEY DIDN'T SHOW THE GAME IN CENTRAL NY! ONE GOOD GAME ISN'T ENOUGH FOR DABOLL TO KEEP HIS JOB!!!! SORRY 52 YEARS OF FRUSTRATION IS ENOUGH!
Giants went wrong 2022: No DJ 5th yr opt. Not trading Bradberry for 5th rnd & cutting him for nothing. Draft passing on best pass blocking OT Cross with Neal who had mirroring and balance issues. Robinson in 2nd over Metchie and Pickens, Ezeudu and Flott in 3rd. 2023: DJ 4yr $160mil 82gar. Ezuedu swing Tackle. draft Banks, Schmitz, Hyatt, and Gray. 2024: 2nd&5th & 28.5mil/yr for Burns. No cap left for DL2 and CB1. QB2 Lock & DeVito. Ezeudu swing T again! Even after getting Lock hurt against #2s preseason.
Mistake # 1 is ownership , they had the talent for years the NFL should make Mara sell the team , no way the Giants select a black quarterback or coach and put him in the position to make the tough decisions my Giants are stuck in the 70s what’s crazy is they weren’t even good back then 😅😅
Patty, agreed. I don’t want to reach and grab a QB in this upcoming draft. I would like to see them get a Cousins in free agency. Use your picks to fix the D line, linebacker, O line. There are some real studs coming out in the D line. They need help next to Dex. They need to sign a good quality back up for the O line. Then in the draft, rounds two, three and four look for O lineman, and a linebacker. Giant scouts are really weak in drafting O lineman. Middle rounds three and four are where you should be building the O lineman. Fix these needs, get the roster ready, then the draft after this one, go after kid Manning that you really want. Cousins could be Kurt Warner to the new kid. Lastly, Schoen needs to go for the exact reasons you gave. Look at who walked out the door.
Wanted, a GM with the following restrictions: The team will be in cap hell for your first year, you will have no QB, your best player will be a RB who will want top money, you'll have to hit on your first HC and oh, ya got 3 years to get it done.
This was a great summary of Giants' history. I was stunned about the maholmes situation.I found it hard to believe. When Dabol took over every great player was sent packing. If they just kept # 99 they would have front wall Dexter and Williams. How could you trade him for a safety. If this Buffalo Gang convinces Mara to keep then, them replace mara with the co-owner. It was done before and G Young straighten them out.
Firing Macadoo was a mistake,rumor has it that he wanted to trade up and get Mahomes, they instead told him no drafted Evan Engram and gave him Davis Webb in the 3rd round.
I WANT DABOLL! WE CANT KEEP FIRING COACHES. LET DABOLL FINISH OUT HIS CONTRACT! GET THE O LINE STRAIGHT AND GOOD WEAPONS AND GIANTS WILL BE IN THE PLAYOFFS NEXT SEASON!
MARA doesn't want a black QB too bad Cam Ward is REALLY GOOD...DABILL just might have saved his job MISSION ACCOMPLISHED I'm done with this team I'm gonna root for the real NY team in BUFFALO
Don't fire Daboll!!! He's an excellent football coach! He's just having a terrible break! He will learn from his mistakes. NY Football Giants can not change coaches every time anything goes wrong. Same apply for the Manager.
I think the giants are in a really bad spot. Getting rid of coaches and gms every other year has set this team back over a decade. The problem is i don't think Daboll or Schoen are the answer either. They have not improved this team, specifically, the o-line. They've had several years and no improvement. Imo Daboll is a horrible play caller. I didn't like his play calling in Buffalo as well. Could be many years before this gets turned around. I'm hoping the giants haven't become a perpetual bad franchise like the browns. The last 10 years have not been good
if schoen had cleaned house in 2021 when they first showed up no one would have blinked at it. Instead this has happened at the end of 2023 and 2024. Now they are in position to draft a QB at the end of 2024. In hind sight this has worked out well. You can’t rebuild with a 8-9 wins each year!
I’ll tell you where they went wrong: when Schoen and Daboll got here the offensive line was ranked 30th and 31st in the 2 previous years. 3 years have gone by and line has been ranked 30th , 32nd and so far this year 29th.
The death of the Giants began when Wellington / John Mara hired Jerry Reese to succeed Ernie Accorsi. It has been downhill since.
There "was" talent to build around on the Giants two years ago, but Schoen got rid of it, mostly with little or nothing in return. How can you keep a GM who has single handedly made a team worse every season?! He needs to be fired, and a GM who is a true established talent evaluator needs to be hired.
Patty good analysis. But you’re basically saying what most intelligent knowledgeable fans know: it’s not all about the quarterback. They ruined Jones like the jets ruined Darnold.
Completely agree! I would add that the media deserves their fair share of blame too!
They stir the pot for clicks, lobby the fans for moves and daft decisions, then wash their hand and say “I told you so” when it all goes south!
On drafting Daniel Jones…I really find it hard to believe that there were many teams looking to take him in that draft. I think the Manning/Cuttcliffe narrative was overstated. He was mediocre at a mediocre football school playing against mediocre talent in a mediocre conference. Nothing about his career suggested he was worthy of a #6 pick!!!!!
Hi Patti, when you say Mara wants stability. It sounds like what Mara told the public back around 2-6 in that both Schoen and Dabs are good till at least the beginning of 2025.
WE have stability... they stunk before and they continue to stink .... that is stability.
Very thorough analysis. If Schoen’s cardinal sin is doubling down on mistakes, then what could be Mara’s rationale for doubling down on Schoen? Regretting past impatience is an entirely backward looking consideration. Given Ed’s insight that this seems like the first year of a rebuild, isn’t too much patience the greater risk, as with 6 years of Jones?
The greatest problem isn’t that Mara/Tisch continue to create organizational turmoil by constantly firing GM’s and HC’s. The problem is they can’t seem to hire the right ones in the first place.
Neither Schoen nor DABOLL should keep their jobs. I have been a NYG fan since I was 7 years old and currently 65. For 52 years this IS THE WORST SEASON OF ALL!. THE FANS HAVE HAD ENOUGH! I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHAT THE MORALE IS IN THE LOCKER ROOM. THE PLAYERS WILL TURN IT AROUND FOR SURE. BUT NOT BY DABOLL AND SCHOEN. IT'S NOT JUST THE POOR COACHING IT'S SIGNING D Jones for 160 million! And TRADE BARKLEY! Extremely POOR DECISION! OH BY THE WAY THEY HAVE BEEN SO BAD THEY DIDN'T SHOW THE GAME IN CENTRAL NY! ONE GOOD GAME ISN'T ENOUGH FOR DABOLL TO KEEP HIS JOB!!!! SORRY 52 YEARS OF FRUSTRATION IS ENOUGH!
Giants went wrong 2022: No DJ 5th yr opt. Not trading Bradberry for 5th rnd & cutting him for nothing. Draft passing on best pass blocking OT Cross with Neal who had mirroring and balance issues. Robinson in 2nd over Metchie and Pickens, Ezeudu and Flott in 3rd.
2023: DJ 4yr $160mil 82gar.
Ezuedu swing Tackle.
draft Banks, Schmitz, Hyatt, and Gray.
2024: 2nd&5th & 28.5mil/yr for Burns. No cap left for DL2 and CB1.
QB2 Lock & DeVito.
Ezeudu swing T again! Even after getting Lock hurt against #2s preseason.
Great content , my favorite organization is hell bent on repeating the failures of the past , it won’t stop until fans stop going to games
Mistake # 1 is ownership , they had the talent for years the NFL should make Mara sell the team , no way the Giants select a black quarterback or coach and put him in the position to make the tough decisions my Giants are stuck in the 70s what’s crazy is they weren’t even good back then 😅😅
Patty, agreed. I don’t want to reach and grab a QB in this upcoming draft. I would like to see them get a Cousins in free agency. Use your picks to fix the D line, linebacker, O line. There are some real studs coming out in the D line. They need help next to Dex. They need to sign a good quality back up for the O line. Then in the draft, rounds two, three and four look for O lineman, and a linebacker. Giant scouts are really weak in drafting O lineman. Middle rounds three and four are where you should be building the O lineman. Fix these needs, get the roster ready, then the draft after this one, go after kid Manning that you really want. Cousins could be Kurt Warner to the new kid. Lastly, Schoen needs to go for the exact reasons you gave. Look at who walked out the door.
Wanted, a GM with the following restrictions: The team will be in cap hell for your first year, you will have no QB, your best player will be a RB who will want top money, you'll have to hit on your first HC and oh, ya got 3 years to get it done.
I’d love to se Steve Tisch more involved
This was a great summary of Giants' history. I was stunned about the maholmes situation.I found it hard to believe. When Dabol took over every great player was sent packing. If they just kept # 99 they would have front wall Dexter and Williams. How could you trade him for a safety. If this Buffalo Gang convinces Mara to keep then, them replace mara with the co-owner. It was done before and G Young straighten them out.
Barkley never intended to return to the Giants.
Get the front office ppl from the Lions please!! Let them pick the QB and bring in a new system.
Firing Macadoo was a mistake,rumor has it that he wanted to trade up and get Mahomes, they instead told him no drafted Evan Engram and gave him Davis Webb in the 3rd round.
McAdoo knew what he was talking about ,,,, so he was not a good fit as a Giants Coach.
@frankgraham1996 😂😂😂
No it wasn't get outta here. He had one decent season and that was with coughlin and reeses players
Giants are 2 - 15 when Andrew Thomas is hurt since 2022.
I WANT DABOLL! WE CANT KEEP FIRING COACHES. LET DABOLL FINISH OUT HIS CONTRACT! GET THE O LINE STRAIGHT AND GOOD WEAPONS AND GIANTS WILL BE IN THE PLAYOFFS NEXT SEASON!
The mistakes are coming from bad ownership and bad coaches.
How's Williams looking for da Bears 🐻 that's how a rookie QB will look for this Giants team we need to trade for a proven NFL starting QB
You can put any QB you want behind that offensive line. They will not succeed.
Good then you agree with not drafting one of these garbage QBs in the next 2 years
Thank you. Finally, someone understands this. The upcoming draft class is weak. Don’t reach. Fix the rest of your squad. Get Cousins in free agency.
MARA doesn't want a black QB too bad Cam Ward is REALLY GOOD...DABILL just might have saved his job MISSION ACCOMPLISHED I'm done with this team I'm gonna root for the real NY team in BUFFALO
RE- hashing the past will not help the Giants now. MARA was in love with ELI and would not change his mind. That was the problem.
Don't fire Daboll!!!
He's an excellent football coach!
He's just having a terrible break!
He will learn from his mistakes.
NY Football Giants can not change coaches every time anything goes wrong. Same apply for the Manager.
I was watching the NFL this past week and Shane Lemieux what's playing Center for I forget what team😅😅😅😅😅😅😮😮
I think the giants are in a really bad spot. Getting rid of coaches and gms every other year has set this team back over a decade. The problem is i don't think Daboll or Schoen are the answer either. They have not improved this team, specifically, the o-line. They've had several years and no improvement. Imo Daboll is a horrible play caller. I didn't like his play calling in Buffalo as well. Could be many years before this gets turned around. I'm hoping the giants haven't become a perpetual bad franchise like the browns. The last 10 years have not been good
if schoen had cleaned house in 2021 when they first showed up no one would have blinked at it.
Instead this has happened at the end of 2023 and 2024. Now they are in position to draft a QB at the end of 2024. In hind sight this has worked out well. You can’t rebuild with a 8-9 wins each year!
I’m tired of changing gm and coaches every two or three years we’ll never be stable
Get coach Clemens !!!! It’s been a while!!
Jones was not Ruined ... he was no where close to QB Josh Allen or a Patrick Mahomes. He never was.
Eli Manning was the best QB in Giants history and that includes Phil Simms