It might be a small thing but does anyone else feel the “Trust” Eris ends her sentence with when talking to Crow might be due to the Drifter’s influence?
I thinking the same thing and tbh it would make sense, seeing that they have spent some time close since arrivals, beyond light etc. Ol' drifter might've won a piece in moondust's heart, TRANSMAT FIRING
Something I really like about Crow's story is how this is the first ghost/guardian relationship we've seen since Osiris/Sagira. Seeing Glint act as a sort of concerned sibling to Crow as he deals with his guilt and self-hatred is really wholesome and makes me want to see more characters interacting with their ghosts.
Uldren is such an interesting character. One of the most interesting because of where he came from and where he's going. A time will come when he proves himself to everyone and I look forward to seeing it.
As much as Crows despair and his genuine struggle is brilliant storytelling... The real peak writing here is that Eris is picking up Drifters mannerisms, I swear to god they're the best together bungie we need more content with their support
I couldn’t imagine trying to right the wrong of a “past life” especially when your “new life” hasn’t even developed any life experiences for said “new life” then to be judged by the people who took you in after being(probably) an indentured servant of gangster. Uldren got what he deserved but Crow is literally a blank slate, I feel for the guy.
Glint really is great character… he’s so upbeat and a spark in crow’s grief. After all, Glint searched for his guardian for centuries before he finally found Crow and I don’t think anyone would fit him better
A feel sorry for Crow, the Osiris he looked up to was a puppet of Savathun, not the real deal. As well as Saladin, perhaps the best relationship he’s had (with a mentor) has left to join Caital’s ranks. Despite our initial hate towards his past self, we may be the only good, healthy relationship he has left. Besides Glint of course.
I be hype for crow few years ago in destiny 2 of him rebirth and it is hard not to like crow but in this season crow make a lot of mistakes him guilty is easy to see ❤️😭
The lore this season hits so hard. They are doing a great job with crow, the VA and the writing really convey the emotion. When Crow turns to you and says You understand..? Chills. Even after seeing it a second time here. Then the compassion and trust Saladin has in Crow. 10/10 best story arc of the last year.
I think a measure of how strong the Destiny team's writing has been is the amount of understanding and empathy we see for Crow in the comments on videos like this one. Before Uldren was found by Glint there was nothing but hate for him for killing Cayde and almost no one wanted to talk about forgiveness. But here we are. Nice work writers.
Uldren atoned the moment someone put a bullet in him. Crow doesn't need to atone for actions he's got remorse over, and actions he's already been punished for. It's like when a parent grounds a kid, but the kid still keeps trying to "make things right" long after the grounding is over. Uldren was punished sufficiently; Crow does not need to be punished.
BRUH when I saw this scene it broke my heart- I really do love Crow and I want him to grow and redeem himself. It pains we we can’t say anything to him. Writing wise I think this is amazing story telling- it involves us and how we feel about Uldren Sov, Cayde-6 and Crow. So it’s like an interactive story and feels really personal. Making mistakes, redemption, pride, forgiveness, uncertainty. I love how they’ve taken Crow and made him such a deeper character
It doesn’t matter to me whether he is Crow or Uldren. What we’ve seen with Savathun and Ana shows that people aren’t completely different when they revive, just a reset version of themselves. Uldren was a victim of Riven, and Savathun. Crow/Uldren needs to accept that what happened wasn’t his fault. So do many others. Crow/Uldren is now free of the manipulation of Mara, Riven, and Savathun. He also is free of the prejudice against guardians that Uldren had. And that has made him a far better person. He’s also free of the darkness from the black garden. He needs to be taught to let this guilt go and stop trying to “make up for it”. His reckless desire to “redeem” himself will only get him and others in more trouble.
I imagine it’s implication since BL that they’ve been spending a fair bit of time together, hope we see them play a part in a season this year so we get more lore
@My name is Byf I noticed that eris ended her statement to crow with trust. It’s probably nothing but drifter basically coined the term trust. When he uses it though, it typically means the opposite if memory serves
The thing is I don’t think Uldren Sov can be held fully accountable for his actions let alone be deemed a monster because of how many of his actions were done as a result of manipulation and corruption. Mara putting a reliance on her in his head, the black garden’s corruptions, Riven appearing as Mara, being a part of Savathun’s Plan, beyond all of that Uldren Sov was still a good person
Guilt is perhaps one of the worst emotions humans could be plagued with, as it can drive us to make more horrific mistakes in our fumbling attempts to atone. Crow/Uldren Sov needs closure, so that he can move on and continue growing into the person, as well as the lightbearer he needs to be. Zavala and Saladin have been trying to help him, and if those two are the men I think they are - they're not going to give up on Crow.
It’s not helped by the fact that many people still blame Uldren accountable for Cayde’s death. The guy was a puppet on stringers, and we have killed the puppet master and the person who made the strings, our revenge is over, and it wasn’t him to blame
Crow: "One more hit from this Wizard, and I'm toast. So what does she start doing?" Guardian: "She starts monologuing?" Crow: "She starts monologuing!"
I really hate savathun it’s her fault for all of this. She used riven to manipulate uldren leading to the death of cayde and riven and the curse of the dreaming city. Then she gives him his memories giving him some form of depression or survivors guilt. But I feel like he still doesn’t look at us the same ever since he got his memories either. He needs to learn none of this is his vault. He’s been manipulated so much I think the only person he had for a true trust is glint. No doubt he is scared of us especially about what we did to uldren.
12:54 😢 this is so sad, terrifying and cute all in the same lore card. I really want to hug him. I have some friends with depression and anxiety, I really see him like one of them. So lost in pain...💔
I see a lot of people are pissed at Crow, and understandably so, but they're forgetting a key thing. He knows not of what he does. His entire existence, even before he was a Guardian, was being subservient to someone else. Uldren, his sister then to Savathûn. Crow, to Spider then now to the Vanguard. He just wants to know what it's like to think for himself. Uldren did terrible things but he was also conscious of them. Crow has done a single terrible thing but he was unaware of what would happen. Crow needs support not punishment. If there was ever a Hunter that *NEEDS* their independence, it's Crow. That poor man has been a servant for the entirety of both of his lives. He needs freedom. He needs to make mistakes and learn from them. He needs his own choices.
I really have a feeling Crow will become a great man one day. I think a possible final reconciliation of Uldrin Sov will be us giving Crow the Ace of Spades - or, an exact replica of the gun. It was always meant to be his, even if he won't be the next Hunter Vanguard. He still has a long way to go, but one day he'll be one of the best.
I had a similar thought process, but I doubt they’ll ever give him ace. While it would be a great way to pass on the title of vanguard leadership, many still hold it dear as “Cayde’s gun”
Agreed. I've thought about that ever since Ghost tells us "Thanks, you know, for being my Guardian" at the end of the old Khvostov 7g-0x quest. Witch Queen gave us a lot more personality for Ghost, and now what I really want to see them tackle more is the relationship between us and our ghost specifically. He's an important character, and I really want to bond with him more.
Wonder when Crow will take his place as Hunter Vanguard, once he completes Cades dare I suppose, Crow really needs The Speaker 🔊 for these times, he would be very helpful to him I believe
I used to absolutely despise Uldren Sov, even since D1, and moreso after what he did in Forsaken. But, I'm a sucker for a good redemption arc, and while I cannot forgive Uldren, Crow, is not Uldren. I'm happy to know that he is trying to be better, and I can respect him for it.
I really like the character development of Crow and Saladin. Both disliked one another during season of the Chosen and now they completely respect one another. Even after Crow killed the Psion and Saladin became a Cabal, Saladin spoke to Crow in a kindness and respect akin to that of a father. It’s clear he understood Crow’s struggle and acknowledged what he was going through. Great story telling imo
Honestly i already felt bad when i heard guardians were killing him and he didnt even know why, he just went with it. Then when i heard he had his head in his hands and wouldnt answer until glint started humming and the only answer glint got was a hug. Thats how you know a man is truly broken
I never blamed Uldren, he was tricked by Riven. We could of just as easily been tricked into killing someone like that if some guy told us to really. Crow not only isn’t Uldren but even if he was Uldren he wouldn’t have to prove anything
Great crazy kudos for the development of Saladin's character arc. For showing that he has had to tamp down that compassion under a facade of hardened bluster. Many people were giving him grief for being a fuddy duddy, borderline intolerant angry old man, but he has always been far more compassionate than we gave him credit for. That he is uncompromising doesnt mean he cannot learn from experience and evolve the way he interacts with even those he sees as enemies.
you could've also talked about amanda holliday realizing that crow was uldren there are a few lore tabs on the sparrows of this season that talk about it
Even Saladin knows Crow has a lot of trauma and a storm of guilty in his mind. I really think he has depression. I feel sorry for him. I fear he would becomes Uldren someway for try to do something stupid to get our forgiveness. Like some lacks says: he will destroy Immaru for Savathun never comeback, (for me it is a mistake because she could be a allie) she betrayed us and especially Crow who trusted so much in "Osiris".
I know guilt, and the need to atone is immense. The key is knowing how much atonement is enough. Otherwise it's an existence full of self loathing with no end in sight.
Can we get another Destiny Lore Overview? I’ve watched all of the lore videos multiple times over but a 5-25 hour video would be amazing. I would love to listen to it while I’m working. I know it would be a lot of work but it would be amazing to me.
Something I think a lot of people miss, or forget, is that for all intents and purposes, Crow is a child. He views things without the centuries of experience, nuance, and - yes - cynicism that people like Zavala, Eris, Saladin and Ikora have. He doesn't offer compromise on what he feels is right and wrong because his perception of them is much newer, and in a way, more pure, than theirs. There's a reason The Traveler has been guiding him, and I genuinely think that this is part of that reason. Yes, he needs to learn how to moderate his responses, but that doesn't mean he's inherently wrong to have those responses in the first place. When he asked in the Psisorium "you understand, don't you?" my immediate thought was "yes, I do, absolutely. But you should have waited." We should be more like Crow, honestly.
The only way Crow can reconcile his and Uldren's lives is by forgiving Uldren and understanding that there are people in his life that may _never_ forgive Uldren and him by proxy, namely Halliday.
I think it’s important to note that Savathun tested the affect of telling a “guardian” the truth of their past before she became one herself. And of course what is the long game of having someone like crow live with this guilt and what it will result in (so far almost dividing the vanguard)
Nah I think Crow was a simple test subject for Savathun + one Last middle finger to Mara by savotaging her plan to bring her brother back slowly. Savathun had Many ploys but t Her conversion to the light was an "inflection point". She still schemes but none of her plans were prepared for the eventuality of her gaining the light, Only the memory backups, the other's would have been pointless because she wouldnt have remembered about them anyways.
With this back story and grief of his past life, it makes me wonder. What if in light fall, we are sent down the same rabbit hole and remember our past life? Would it be good? Would we get horrific flashes from the collapse in the middle of missions? Could this maybe be the true trick of “salvation” the witness would want us to reflect on? Just like how the witness’s first disciple went through it? An with crow going forward, I feel we will definitely re-visit the burnt throne room of the reef in a mission with crow before crow is able to move on and understand his moral purpose in this situation.
I've always wondered _why_ the vanguard would make Crow part of such important Ops like Elbrus, when he is very clearly new to not only being a guardian in general, but living a life of fighting. He is still rather inexperienced and naive, especially to be included in such important operations. He's had a real shit time, especially compounded by dealing with the return of his memories. The dude needs time to process all this, and to cut his teeth on less vital ops until he's ready.
I feel bad for crow, he’s trying to make up for sins that arent his own when i feel he doesn need to, he just needs to do good and in time people will see him for him, also eris has been having out with drifter too much speaking a bit like him
When Crow finishes working through all of his stuff and ascends to be the new Hunter vanguard, we will have a worthy successor to Cayde. I'm pretty sure that Cade would be proud of his successor too.
As a Hunter main I hate Uldren in every way but Crow needs to understand that they are completely different people. Uldren was guilable and highly dependent while Crow is very much the opposite. Poor kid just needs some time off and maybe a beer with the guardian.
I have a sneaking suspicion that Crow, after finally coming to terms with his deep-seated guilt and self loathing through important lessons such as those taught to him by Saladin and others, will be reforged, become himself at long last and become the next Hunter Vanguard. I think on that day, even Cayde would approve and have a little chuckle wherever he is.
This random but I think it would be really awesome if we got a faction of guardians that turned on the vanguard and established themselves as dark guardians. Imagine facing AI guardians and crushing their Ghosts like the lucient hive! Imagine a powerful entity that could suppress Crow and give Uldren control? I don't want him to die but I think it would be fun and interesting.
Crow will eventually show his full redemption. He'll learn, whether the hard way through action or the easy way with seeing what Uldren has done and move on. He has to really sell that he's not Uldren, not just to everyone around him, but more importantly himself. Also, NVIDIA sent you an Alienware? I can't believe they'd send you a waste of silicon due in part from Dell, you deserve better.
I still wonder where Mara Sov really fits in. Her machinations are right up there with Savathun. She manipulates everyone which makes me wonder what her true end goals are. Manipulation & narcissism go hand in hand. She claims to want the best for her people, but what's her true definition of "best". It's likely grotesquely different from ours and theirs. Just a thought.
Hey Byf, You do a great job with the lore.. been watching you for some time. A couple years.. by far my favorite Destiny Lore Storyteller! Keep up the great work!
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Anyone else notice that Eris seemingly mimicked The Drifter with ending her statement with "Trust."? I thought it was a neat detail. I could be wrong if that was the intent or not. But it's nice to see little things like that.
Picture this: The darkness has overcome the Last City. We, the guardians and our friends, have been pulled in close to witness the death of the Traveller. The thing that brought us into this world is about to be destroyed by the Witness and his almighty power. One man stands forward, taking one last stroll and shot at this great being upon whom has caused us all so much pain... It's just him. Its just Crow. He knows what has lead to this moment. It was time to show the world that he is Uldren Sov no longer. He is a Guardian. As our wrists were chained from doing anything major, we were able to take out a weapon which carried a lot of history, and ultimately, a lot of power. The Ace of Spades. The witness turns to meet Crow, ready to unleash the final attack upon the last standing Guardian. Crow takes one last look at us all. His comrades. His teachers. His friends. He makes the judgement call that he must stand here and now. Even if we fail, it would mean more than anything in this world to see that we fought for good to our dying breaths. As Crow took one last look at his people, he saw it - our weapon. With it being sent to him from a high distance, he raised his hand and gripped its handle with all his will, and without hesitation, pointed it towards the witness. The barrel was ignited. *Memento Mori* was upon it. Crow was scared. Though he remained fearless, he was more fearful than anyone in that moment. "You take it upon yourself to be their saviour... They all ridiculed you... Resented you... Despised you... Hated you... Why do you continue to fight for something so finite when you could reach salvation?" The Witness questioned, causing Crow to doubt what he was doing. He took one glance at the weapon in his hand. Words echoed in his mind. Not his, but someone else's. Someone from a dark past. *"What would Cayde do...?"* Crow gripped the hand cannon with everything he had, looking the Witness in the eye with all fear removed. With all doubt cleared of his judgement. He knew he could never replace Cayde, but he knew that Cayde would do the exact same thing as everyone else - fight for right. "Let us see what shall prevail, Sov..." The words sting, but they did not falter his mind. As Crow was about to pull the trigger, a bright light emiited from beside him. A pure white light, taking shape of something. No. Someone. A hunter of great legend appeared. One of whom the streets once mourned for and celebrated. Crow knew his face, and that only made him more motivated. The hunter projected its own hand cannon too, identical to the one Crow held in his hand. The hunters took aim at the Witness. While one last stand was great, this one would be remembered for millennia to come. No more worry. No more fear. The trigger was pulled.
It's incredible how Bungie's storytelling has grown from plain good vs evil to the complex storylines and characters it is today. Truly a studio that has matured with it's game.
Here's my prediction for next season: Xivu Arath is gathering the forces of the Witness under her banner. Hive, Scorn, Taken, they all flock to join the armies of the Goddess of War. Calus and Yirix reorganise the renegade Cabal and Psions into a new Dark Legion to support her, and the House of Salvation hatch a scheme to revive Eramis in Exo form. In the hopes of delaying the assembly of the Witness' armies and Disciples, Crow takes it upon himself to lead reconnaissance, sabotage and assassination operations against the Disiples' chosen champions. As we eliminate these leaders, we see Crow demonstrating a more pragmatic but merciless attitude towards our enemies, but also learn of his determination to rectify his behaviour as he finally finds the solution to his dilemma. instead of asking himself "What wouldn't Uldren do," he would ask "What would Crow do," taking what Saladin taught him into every account.
Man I wish you were on Spotify. I would listen to your content while working . I can't keep my screen on while I'm working because it drains my battery. But I do listen to you when I'm working on my art projects . I use UA-cam mostly on my Xbox.
While I don’t exactly trust the speaker, I can’t deny that he could certainly help with calming a lot of the anxiousness the characters are suffering from right now. It’s almost like we’ve lost a father and are now having to fend for ourselves
Is it a bad thing that I see myself in crow, for I can kinda relate to his situation (also I want to give him a bear hug and tell him that he is an earnestly good person 😥)
@@dereklednicky8590 Honestly, I feel as if the story is leading up to that one event. Lore wise, it will kinda fit. Uldren Sov wasn't a Guardian but with the Vanguard Dare he could basically volunteer himself to the position.
It's a small thing, but a nice touch. Eris has been hanging around the Drifter a lot more and probably even started liking his company, you can tell cause of the "Trust". Most people who study mannerisms and human behaviour will tell you that changes like vocabulary and gestures happen over the course of long periods of time which is indicative of Eris and Drifter having spent a lot of time around each other and Drifter rubbing off on her. I could be reaching but I feel like Bungie added that in there as a nod to the growing friendship/professional partnership between Eris and Drifter.
I think the saddest part about this is that I’m pretty sure Amanda Holliday has finally realized who Crow was. Up until now I’m pretty sure she didn’t see Crow without the mask, but now that she knows it’s Uldren, she’s going thru a tough time herself. Idk where I read it, maybe it was a weapon’s lore or a book or whatnot, but I know that’s something that exists in this season.
It might be a small thing but does anyone else feel the “Trust” Eris ends her sentence with when talking to Crow might be due to the Drifter’s influence?
might be
I thinking the same thing
and tbh it would make sense, seeing that they have spent some time close since arrivals, beyond light etc. Ol' drifter might've won a piece in moondust's heart, TRANSMAT FIRING
:)
Only person we know who talks like that so i feel that isnt a coincidence
Wait ive been out of the loop for a while with the lore but since when is the drifter big on trust?
The writing around Crow this past year is a nice indicator of just how good Bungie's writing is and how it has improved over Destiny's life.
It's a shame they keep removing story chunks like this after every expansion
Something I really like about Crow's story is how this is the first ghost/guardian relationship we've seen since Osiris/Sagira. Seeing Glint act as a sort of concerned sibling to Crow as he deals with his guilt and self-hatred is really wholesome and makes me want to see more characters interacting with their ghosts.
Glint is also as fresh a ghost as Crow is a guardian, and he’s got a lot of questions
@@JaimieWFYT How so?
I guess we know a bit about Drifter and his Ghost. He hates it, he turned it mute.
Crow’s development from season of the lost is the definition of: “ignorance is bliss”. Until Savathun gave his memories back of course.
Me too, Crow. Me too.
No, seriously, this season has been…just…absolutely phenomenal.
Uldren is such an interesting character. One of the most interesting because of where he came from and where he's going. A time will come when he proves himself to everyone and I look forward to seeing it.
Crow*
Uldren is dead, Crow is a man child, he’s getting there, but the emo phase needs to end
@@axis1393 he’s a hunter, his entire life is an emo phase
Or fall harder than any Guardian has ever fallen.
Cotton Eyed Crow
As much as Crows despair and his genuine struggle is brilliant storytelling...
The real peak writing here is that Eris is picking up Drifters mannerisms, I swear to god they're the best together bungie we need more content with their support
I couldn’t imagine trying to right the wrong of a “past life” especially when your “new life” hasn’t even developed any life experiences for said “new life” then to be judged by the people who took you in after being(probably) an indentured servant of gangster.
Uldren got what he deserved but Crow is literally a blank slate, I feel for the guy.
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate the AMAZING work that Crow and Saladin’s voice actors have put in to make this story as immersive as it is
Glint really is great character… he’s so upbeat and a spark in crow’s grief. After all, Glint searched for his guardian for centuries before he finally found Crow and I don’t think anyone would fit him better
A feel sorry for Crow, the Osiris he looked up to was a puppet of Savathun, not the real deal. As well as Saladin, perhaps the best relationship he’s had (with a mentor) has left to join Caital’s ranks. Despite our initial hate towards his past self, we may be the only good, healthy relationship he has left. Besides Glint of course.
I be hype for crow few years ago in destiny 2 of him rebirth and it is hard not to like crow but in this season crow make a lot of mistakes him guilty is easy to see ❤️😭
we just stand there and watch him with a straight face every time he has a break down, leave us out of this!
The lore this season hits so hard. They are doing a great job with crow, the VA and the writing really convey the emotion. When Crow turns to you and says You understand..? Chills. Even after seeing it a second time here. Then the compassion and trust Saladin has in Crow. 10/10 best story arc of the last year.
I just want to give Crow a giant hug and never let him go until he's no longer in this state.
"The man who cant breathe from the guilt closing over his head, thick as seawater and twice as bitter." - Moon Knight
I think a measure of how strong the Destiny team's writing has been is the amount of understanding and empathy we see for Crow in the comments on videos like this one. Before Uldren was found by Glint there was nothing but hate for him for killing Cayde and almost no one wanted to talk about forgiveness. But here we are. Nice work writers.
God… Glint is just so pure. What a good light.
Uldren atoned the moment someone put a bullet in him. Crow doesn't need to atone for actions he's got remorse over, and actions he's already been punished for. It's like when a parent grounds a kid, but the kid still keeps trying to "make things right" long after the grounding is over. Uldren was punished sufficiently; Crow does not need to be punished.
i wish our gaurdian would speak up and say that
I can’t help but feel that this unchecked regret is going to lead him on yet another villain arc.
Caiatl using "Indeed."
Eris using "Trust."
I see some bonds starting to form!
BRUH when I saw this scene it broke my heart- I really do love Crow and I want him to grow and redeem himself. It pains we we can’t say anything to him. Writing wise I think this is amazing story telling- it involves us and how we feel about Uldren Sov, Cayde-6 and Crow. So it’s like an interactive story and feels really personal. Making mistakes, redemption, pride, forgiveness, uncertainty. I love how they’ve taken Crow and made him such a deeper character
It's intense to see a persona fighting his past self and trying to be this new identity over and over again.
It doesn’t matter to me whether he is Crow or Uldren. What we’ve seen with Savathun and Ana shows that people aren’t completely different when they revive, just a reset version of themselves.
Uldren was a victim of Riven, and Savathun. Crow/Uldren needs to accept that what happened wasn’t his fault. So do many others. Crow/Uldren is now free of the manipulation of Mara, Riven, and Savathun. He also is free of the prejudice against guardians that Uldren had.
And that has made him a far better person. He’s also free of the darkness from the black garden. He needs to be taught to let this guilt go and stop trying to “make up for it”. His reckless desire to “redeem” himself will only get him and others in more trouble.
Crow is also free of the corruption from the black garden he suffered from
The biggest reason he's trying to hard is because he never received the punishment that he was expecting, Saladin took it and crow feels lost
I mean…he died. Does he expect to be tortured in this life or final deathed?
I mean Crow is still kinda of prejudices against gaurdians now hes just got a valid excuse.
Has there been any more lore about Eris spending time with Drifter? She sounded a bit like him in that conversation with Crow.
I imagine it’s implication since BL that they’ve been spending a fair bit of time together, hope we see them play a part in a season this year so we get more lore
Crow's story has been such an amazing one so far, and I can't wait to see how it turns out.
Loved the Crow Saladin story recently, they really fleshed Saladin out imo. Thanks for the video glhf
@My name is Byf
I noticed that eris ended her statement to crow with trust. It’s probably nothing but drifter basically coined the term trust. When he uses it though, it typically means the opposite if memory serves
The thing is I don’t think Uldren Sov can be held fully accountable for his actions let alone be deemed a monster because of how many of his actions were done as a result of manipulation and corruption. Mara putting a reliance on her in his head, the black garden’s corruptions, Riven appearing as Mara, being a part of Savathun’s Plan, beyond all of that Uldren Sov was still a good person
As Zavala would say.
“Indeed”
honestly i would have killed cayde if it meant the revival of my sister too
Guilt is perhaps one of the worst emotions humans could be plagued with, as it can drive us to make more horrific mistakes in our fumbling attempts to atone. Crow/Uldren Sov needs closure, so that he can move on and continue growing into the person, as well as the lightbearer he needs to be. Zavala and Saladin have been trying to help him, and if those two are the men I think they are - they're not going to give up on Crow.
It’s not helped by the fact that many people still blame Uldren accountable for Cayde’s death. The guy was a puppet on stringers, and we have killed the puppet master and the person who made the strings, our revenge is over, and it wasn’t him to blame
God I hate Mara Sov
Crow: "One more hit from this Wizard, and I'm toast. So what does she start doing?"
Guardian: "She starts monologuing?"
Crow: "She starts monologuing!"
This is the best 'redemption' arc I've seen since Zuko, that takes good writing.
I really hate savathun it’s her fault for all of this. She used riven to manipulate uldren leading to the death of cayde and riven and the curse of the dreaming city. Then she gives him his memories giving him some form of depression or survivors guilt. But I feel like he still doesn’t look at us the same ever since he got his memories either. He needs to learn none of this is his vault. He’s been manipulated so much I think the only person he had for a true trust is glint. No doubt he is scared of us especially about what we did to uldren.
Not just hers but also Mara's.
12:54 😢 this is so sad, terrifying and cute all in the same lore card. I really want to hug him. I have some friends with depression and anxiety, I really see him like one of them. So lost in pain...💔
Crow needs a hug.
I see a lot of people are pissed at Crow, and understandably so, but they're forgetting a key thing.
He knows not of what he does. His entire existence, even before he was a Guardian, was being subservient to someone else. Uldren, his sister then to Savathûn. Crow, to Spider then now to the Vanguard. He just wants to know what it's like to think for himself.
Uldren did terrible things but he was also conscious of them. Crow has done a single terrible thing but he was unaware of what would happen. Crow needs support not punishment.
If there was ever a Hunter that *NEEDS* their independence, it's Crow. That poor man has been a servant for the entirety of both of his lives. He needs freedom. He needs to make mistakes and learn from them. He needs his own choices.
What did I get out of this video? Crow needs a hug
The guardian really needs to talk with Crow to atleast try to help him
7:33 "at least put your helmet back on"
Me: flash backs to the Halo TV series. *cries*
I really have a feeling Crow will become a great man one day. I think a possible final reconciliation of Uldrin Sov will be us giving Crow the Ace of Spades - or, an exact replica of the gun. It was always meant to be his, even if he won't be the next Hunter Vanguard. He still has a long way to go, but one day he'll be one of the best.
I had a similar thought process, but I doubt they’ll ever give him ace.
While it would be a great way to pass on the title of vanguard leadership, many still hold it dear as “Cayde’s gun”
I literally have two Ace of Spades in my Vault. Some bug caused me to go through the forging process twice, so yeah, I have two.
@@Kaisenik But the visual of Crow "Golden gunning" the Ace is really cool.
When this is over I see crow being the new hunter vanguard, he has potential.
@@CoffeeQuilava Well boy do I have good news!
Is it me or is Glint just the most adorable ghost we've met so far?
Indeed.
~Zavala
Shame his Guardian sucks
But Glint is good in that he wants to help
@@-Gilver every time I see your account I just do know you will write down some hate on Crow. ALWAYS.🙄 Dude get over it.
I had to do a verbal "AWWWWW" when reading the razors edge lore
Thank you for putting this lore together!!
Byf video just popped up and I just finished his last savathûn vidoe
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Metametang it is video
@@jadedbtw3560 vedayo
I freaking love how after watching this, I've realized that ghost are more than just the respawn button. They're our little sweet therapists. 🥺
Agreed. I've thought about that ever since Ghost tells us "Thanks, you know, for being my Guardian" at the end of the old Khvostov 7g-0x quest. Witch Queen gave us a lot more personality for Ghost, and now what I really want to see them tackle more is the relationship between us and our ghost specifically. He's an important character, and I really want to bond with him more.
I need more lore including Glint. He's such a fun character.
THEIR PUMPKINS ARE FILLED WITH LOOT!!
Wonder when Crow will take his place as Hunter Vanguard, once he completes Cades dare I suppose, Crow really needs The Speaker 🔊 for these times, he would be very helpful to him I believe
Crow did complete Cayde's dare. The dare was whoever killed him took his mantle. The question is, is if Crow is absolved of Uldren's debt
I used to absolutely despise Uldren Sov, even since D1, and moreso after what he did in Forsaken. But, I'm a sucker for a good redemption arc, and while I cannot forgive Uldren, Crow, is not Uldren. I'm happy to know that he is trying to be better, and I can respect him for it.
I really like the character development of Crow and Saladin. Both disliked one another during season of the Chosen and now they completely respect one another. Even after Crow killed the Psion and Saladin became a Cabal, Saladin spoke to Crow in a kindness and respect akin to that of a father. It’s clear he understood Crow’s struggle and acknowledged what he was going through. Great story telling imo
Honestly i already felt bad when i heard guardians were killing him and he didnt even know why, he just went with it. Then when i heard he had his head in his hands and wouldnt answer until glint started humming and the only answer glint got was a hug. Thats how you know a man is truly broken
Glint is such a good partner for Crow
I think this expansion year is going to be Crow's journey to becoming hunter vanguard
I never blamed Uldren, he was tricked by Riven. We could of just as easily been tricked into killing someone like that if some guy told us to really. Crow not only isn’t Uldren but even if he was Uldren he wouldn’t have to prove anything
Great crazy kudos for the development of Saladin's character arc. For showing that he has had to tamp down that compassion under a facade of hardened bluster. Many people were giving him grief for being a fuddy duddy, borderline intolerant angry old man, but he has always been far more compassionate than we gave him credit for.
That he is uncompromising doesnt mean he cannot learn from experience and evolve the way he interacts with even those he sees as enemies.
Oh boy I love me some all consuming guilt, self loathing and anxiety!
Glint is always the real one. He’s an MVP
you could've also talked about amanda holliday realizing that crow was uldren there are a few lore tabs on the sparrows of this season that talk about it
Even Saladin knows Crow has a lot of trauma and a storm of guilty in his mind. I really think he has depression. I feel sorry for him. I fear he would becomes Uldren someway for try to do something stupid to get our forgiveness.
Like some lacks says:
he will destroy Immaru for Savathun never comeback, (for me it is a mistake because she could be a allie) she betrayed us and especially Crow who trusted so much in "Osiris".
I know guilt, and the need to atone is immense. The key is knowing how much atonement is enough. Otherwise it's an existence full of self loathing with no end in sight.
You always provide the best content!
Love your stuff as always man!
I feel like crow should have a talk with Saint, he could give him some great insights.
Can we get another Destiny Lore Overview? I’ve watched all of the lore videos multiple times over but a 5-25 hour video would be amazing. I would love to listen to it while I’m working. I know it would be a lot of work but it would be amazing to me.
I always tear up at that last message between Saladin and Crow 😢
Something I think a lot of people miss, or forget, is that for all intents and purposes, Crow is a child. He views things without the centuries of experience, nuance, and - yes - cynicism that people like Zavala, Eris, Saladin and Ikora have. He doesn't offer compromise on what he feels is right and wrong because his perception of them is much newer, and in a way, more pure, than theirs. There's a reason The Traveler has been guiding him, and I genuinely think that this is part of that reason. Yes, he needs to learn how to moderate his responses, but that doesn't mean he's inherently wrong to have those responses in the first place. When he asked in the Psisorium "you understand, don't you?" my immediate thought was "yes, I do, absolutely. But you should have waited."
We should be more like Crow, honestly.
The only way Crow can reconcile his and Uldren's lives is by forgiving Uldren and understanding that there are people in his life that may _never_ forgive Uldren and him by proxy, namely Halliday.
I think it’s important to note that Savathun tested the affect of telling a “guardian” the truth of their past before she became one herself.
And of course what is the long game of having someone like crow live with this guilt and what it will result in (so far almost dividing the vanguard)
Nah I think Crow was a simple test subject for Savathun + one Last middle finger to Mara by savotaging her plan to bring her brother back slowly.
Savathun had Many ploys but t
Her conversion to the light was an "inflection point". She still schemes but none of her plans were prepared for the eventuality of her gaining the light, Only the memory backups, the other's would have been pointless because she wouldnt have remembered about them anyways.
With this back story and grief of his past life, it makes me wonder. What if in light fall, we are sent down the same rabbit hole and remember our past life? Would it be good? Would we get horrific flashes from the collapse in the middle of missions? Could this maybe be the true trick of “salvation” the witness would want us to reflect on? Just like how the witness’s first disciple went through it? An with crow going forward, I feel we will definitely re-visit the burnt throne room of the reef in a mission with crow before crow is able to move on and understand his moral purpose in this situation.
Thanks for the content Byf! Love it! Keep it up!
Damn that Deathbringer shot at 1:57 is on POINT!
I've always wondered _why_ the vanguard would make Crow part of such important Ops like Elbrus, when he is very clearly new to not only being a guardian in general, but living a life of fighting. He is still rather inexperienced and naive, especially to be included in such important operations. He's had a real shit time, especially compounded by dealing with the return of his memories. The dude needs time to process all this, and to cut his teeth on less vital ops until he's ready.
I feel bad for crow, he’s trying to make up for sins that arent his own when i feel he doesn need to, he just needs to do good and in time people will see him for him, also eris has been having out with drifter too much speaking a bit like him
Rip my boy Phil the Psion
He was done dirty
When Crow finishes working through all of his stuff and ascends to be the new Hunter vanguard, we will have a worthy successor to Cayde. I'm pretty sure that Cade would be proud of his successor too.
That Iron Banner sword looks like a machete and a lightsaber had a baby.
Right?
As a Hunter main I hate Uldren in every way but Crow needs to understand that they are completely different people. Uldren was guilable and highly dependent while Crow is very much the opposite. Poor kid just needs some time off and maybe a beer with the guardian.
yours is the first footage I've seen of the Crow cutscene where someone wasn't doing a stupid emote in the middle of them lol
Yes
I have a sneaking suspicion that Crow, after finally coming to terms with his deep-seated guilt and self loathing through important lessons such as those taught to him by Saladin and others, will be reforged, become himself at long last and become the next Hunter Vanguard.
I think on that day, even Cayde would approve and have a little chuckle wherever he is.
I think cayde had a chuckle when crow was first resed in the dreaming city. He was probably passed at first but the was laughing afterwards.
This random but I think it would be really awesome if we got a faction of guardians that turned on the vanguard and established themselves as dark guardians. Imagine facing AI guardians and crushing their Ghosts like the lucient hive! Imagine a powerful entity that could suppress Crow and give Uldren control? I don't want him to die but I think it would be fun and interesting.
Crow will eventually show his full redemption. He'll learn, whether the hard way through action or the easy way with seeing what Uldren has done and move on. He has to really sell that he's not Uldren, not just to everyone around him, but more importantly himself.
Also, NVIDIA sent you an Alienware? I can't believe they'd send you a waste of silicon due in part from Dell, you deserve better.
I still wonder where Mara Sov really fits in. Her machinations are right up there with Savathun. She manipulates everyone which makes me wonder what her true end goals are. Manipulation & narcissism go hand in hand. She claims to want the best for her people, but what's her true definition of "best". It's likely grotesquely different from ours and theirs. Just a thought.
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Hey Byf, You do a great job with the lore.. been watching you for some time. A couple years.. by far my favorite Destiny Lore Storyteller! Keep up the great work!
Come on ...don't sell your soul to Nvidia.
@@jotunheim5302 he isn’t…..he was simply sponsored by a company. It’s called doing what you need to to pay the bills bud.
@@LordRedfern You think getting a laptop for "free" wont come with strings attached. Nvidia is notorious for buying UA-camrs with sponsored gear only to flip the tables on them at a later date. There are plenty of other more ethical companies out there who are willing help you pay some bills ...
That "Trust" sounds like she's been getting more familiar with Drifter...Hehehe, that's a nice little nod to those two friendship or relationship (?)
I say friendship though I can see eris denying this out right and drifter saying yes
Anyone else notice that Eris seemingly mimicked The Drifter with ending her statement with "Trust."? I thought it was a neat detail. I could be wrong if that was the intent or not. But it's nice to see little things like that.
Byf lookin fresh af in the "after" photo
Picture this:
The darkness has overcome the Last City. We, the guardians and our friends, have been pulled in close to witness the death of the Traveller. The thing that brought us into this world is about to be destroyed by the Witness and his almighty power. One man stands forward, taking one last stroll and shot at this great being upon whom has caused us all so much pain...
It's just him. Its just Crow. He knows what has lead to this moment. It was time to show the world that he is Uldren Sov no longer. He is a Guardian. As our wrists were chained from doing anything major, we were able to take out a weapon which carried a lot of history, and ultimately, a lot of power. The Ace of Spades.
The witness turns to meet Crow, ready to unleash the final attack upon the last standing Guardian. Crow takes one last look at us all. His comrades. His teachers. His friends. He makes the judgement call that he must stand here and now. Even if we fail, it would mean more than anything in this world to see that we fought for good to our dying breaths. As Crow took one last look at his people, he saw it - our weapon.
With it being sent to him from a high distance, he raised his hand and gripped its handle with all his will, and without hesitation, pointed it towards the witness. The barrel was ignited. *Memento Mori* was upon it. Crow was scared. Though he remained fearless, he was more fearful than anyone in that moment.
"You take it upon yourself to be their saviour... They all ridiculed you... Resented you... Despised you... Hated you... Why do you continue to fight for something so finite when you could reach salvation?" The Witness questioned, causing Crow to doubt what he was doing. He took one glance at the weapon in his hand. Words echoed in his mind. Not his, but someone else's. Someone from a dark past.
*"What would Cayde do...?"*
Crow gripped the hand cannon with everything he had, looking the Witness in the eye with all fear removed. With all doubt cleared of his judgement. He knew he could never replace Cayde, but he knew that Cayde would do the exact same thing as everyone else - fight for right.
"Let us see what shall prevail, Sov..."
The words sting, but they did not falter his mind. As Crow was about to pull the trigger, a bright light emiited from beside him. A pure white light, taking shape of something. No. Someone.
A hunter of great legend appeared. One of whom the streets once mourned for and celebrated. Crow knew his face, and that only made him more motivated. The hunter projected its own hand cannon too, identical to the one Crow held in his hand. The hunters took aim at the Witness. While one last stand was great, this one would be remembered for millennia to come. No more worry. No more fear.
The trigger was pulled.
Dude it was so awasome 🤩
>The trigger was pulled
*Immune*
Crow forgot to do the mechanics to send them to damage phase
@@gabrielpineirogarcia2078 he forgot to add gun mods
It's incredible how Bungie's storytelling has grown from plain good vs evil to the complex storylines and characters it is today. Truly a studio that has matured with it's game.
Here's my prediction for next season:
Xivu Arath is gathering the forces of the Witness under her banner. Hive, Scorn, Taken, they all flock to join the armies of the Goddess of War. Calus and Yirix reorganise the renegade Cabal and Psions into a new Dark Legion to support her, and the House of Salvation hatch a scheme to revive Eramis in Exo form.
In the hopes of delaying the assembly of the Witness' armies and Disciples, Crow takes it upon himself to lead reconnaissance, sabotage and assassination operations against the Disiples' chosen champions. As we eliminate these leaders, we see Crow demonstrating a more pragmatic but merciless attitude towards our enemies, but also learn of his determination to rectify his behaviour as he finally finds the solution to his dilemma. instead of asking himself "What wouldn't Uldren do," he would ask "What would Crow do," taking what Saladin taught him into every account.
this seems like a final season of the year narrative
@@HybridRider2315 in hindsight, yeah.
Man I wish you were on Spotify. I would listen to your content while working . I can't keep my screen on while I'm working because it drains my battery. But I do listen to you when I'm working on my art projects . I use UA-cam mostly on my Xbox.
Rip Caitals psion😔😔
While I don’t exactly trust the speaker, I can’t deny that he could certainly help with calming a lot of the anxiousness the characters are suffering from right now. It’s almost like we’ve lost a father and are now having to fend for ourselves
Is it a bad thing that I see myself in crow, for I can kinda relate to his situation (also I want to give him a bear hug and tell him that he is an earnestly good person 😥)
It's not bad at all.
the lore is great and all, but my favorite part is still seeing Eris using Drifter's vocabulary more and more
...so the Drifter is rubbing off on Eris I see
His latest actions, although noble in intent, were pretty reckless, i hope he put his shit together...
I REALLY want Crow to take up the mantle of Hunter vanguard.
If he does, I won't be against it.
@@dereklednicky8590 Honestly, I feel as if the story is leading up to that one event. Lore wise, it will kinda fit. Uldren Sov wasn't a Guardian but with the Vanguard Dare he could basically volunteer himself to the position.
trying to atone for uldren? I don't need sleep I need answers
Razors edge hit me in the feels
17:18
GI JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEE!!!!!
A little old school for my 80s peeps!
It's a small thing, but a nice touch. Eris has been hanging around the Drifter a lot more and probably even started liking his company, you can tell cause of the "Trust". Most people who study mannerisms and human behaviour will tell you that changes like vocabulary and gestures happen over the course of long periods of time which is indicative of Eris and Drifter having spent a lot of time around each other and Drifter rubbing off on her. I could be reaching but I feel like Bungie added that in there as a nod to the growing friendship/professional partnership between Eris and Drifter.
Fabulous work as always byf
“...knowing is half the battle”
G.I. CROWWWWW
I think the saddest part about this is that I’m pretty sure Amanda Holliday has finally realized who Crow was. Up until now I’m pretty sure she didn’t see Crow without the mask, but now that she knows it’s Uldren, she’s going thru a tough time herself. Idk where I read it, maybe it was a weapon’s lore or a book or whatnot, but I know that’s something that exists in this season.
Yeah that's from the lore bit of the Sweet Sorrow auto rifle
Glint is an amazing friend. I need a friend like Glint.
Eris picking up on Drifter's way of speaking