@@EightsofSpades in-game we'll probably defeat the witness, or at least side with good, but i wouldn't be surprised if we had a bit of a god complex. Not an entirely undeserved one but still
The fanatic and the witness are prolly working together btw. Judging from the fact there’s scorn in the throne world titled “The Fanatics Chosen”. Just something i wanted to point out from your other video.
I mean... Doesn't surprise me. Protagonist aside, keeping an eye on one of the youngest, well-accomplished guardians seems sensible, especially with the tendency for us to go against vanguard orders every so often.
This is something I assumed would be a given that they would keep tabs on anything even slightly outside the norm especially with savathun be at play and since the darkness emerged especially a single gaurdian that is new killing some of the most powerful being that have slayed hundred of other gaurdians then also harnessing the darkness crosses a boundary that would certainly draw a lot of eyes
Hidden Agent ORI-527 Report 036 on VIP-2014 Notes from week 08 of observation: -This guy spent 2 days at a lost sector this week. He would rush in, kill everything, then wait outside until more forces arrived to reinforce the sector, and do it all over again. FOR TWO DAYS STRAIGHT. He didn't sleep or eat. He only took one break 8 hours in when he noticed a high-value target in the area, and then went right back to it. What are they possibly getting from this? My ghost suggested it could be some form of meditation, but there is very little backing this up. -They display worryingly destructive habits, but not in excessive violence against targets or brutal methods. I observed several instances where they would pick up a weapon or other equipment dropped from a defeated target, perform a brief inspection, compare it against several paint swatches (I am still unsure why they carry these seemingly everywhere they go), and finally dismantle it with a ruthless efficiency in under three seconds. Incredibly, even at this speed, no parts are broken, they just... take the weapon completely apart. I'm almost inclined to believe this is some sort of personal ritual for them. They occasionally will keep a weapon they find, but I am unsure of what criteria they use to choose which weapons are kept. -On the topic of their weapon usage, I was granted permission to inspect their vault for this investigation, which only raised further questions about their general state of mind. They had approximately 500 different weapons, armor, and miscellaneous artifacts in storage. Guardians are typically given a small, 9 space storage locker on arrival to the tower, so I am not sure how they acquired ownership of an entire wing of the Vanguard vault facility, but I suspect it is simply because no one wants to risk disturbing what's in there. I noted 10 separate pieces of equipment made with Ahamkara bones, several guns that you could observe physically radiating with darkness energy, and countless weapons made from unstable technology I haven't seen before. I assume the only reason they haven't quarantined the entire area is because they haven't yet figured out how to appropriately classify something that is every type of hazardous at once. -Speaking of hazards, I had expected a certain efficiency from a Guardian as acclaimed as this. They do certainly deliver (reports indicate them completing vanguard operations in minutes), but I also expected they would die rarely, if at all, on standard operations. It appears to be quite the contrary. They die very frequently, and most often by their own hand. They seemingly do not mind crashing their sparrow, blowing themselves up, or jumping into large chasms. In fact, at one point I watched them for 30 minutes as they repeatedly threw themselves into a ravine on Europa attempting to cross it through various methods, including one which involved madly swinging a sword while in the air (somehow, this did actually end up bringing them across the gap). -The final part of this investigation was a personal interview with VIP-2014. I joined his fireteam for a vanguard operation, and attempted to ask them some questions. They did not respond to any attempts at communication. At the end of the operation, I attempted to directly address them face-to-face, and they just stood there, silently staring at me through their helmet. I attempted to ask their Ghost, who only remarked "they don't really talk that much." After 20 seconds of unresponsive staring, they put up their hand for a high-five, and hoping for some kind of progress, I obliged. They then gave me a thumbs up, did several dance moves, and immediately transmatted to orbit. Conclusions: -I am not an expert on psychology, but there is definitely something wrong with VIP-2014, and there are only two possibilities I can suggest; -VIP-2014 is either the single greatest guardian to have ever lived, who has some higher understanding of the Light and the universe that we are unable to comprehend, and this granted them great power and knowledge at the cost of their sanity. -Or VIP-2014 is quite literally mindless, acting only on some base instinct. Following instructions and orders from quite literally anyone who offers them even the slightest reward. Perhaps their skill with the Light comes from this pure, empty state of mind, allowing them to be a direct conduit for the will and power of the Traveler. -Any other Hidden agent with a few weeks to spare is welcome to try and figure out what's wrong with them, but the only thing I've gotten by following them around is a headache, and if I have to spend another two hours watching them compare shaders for their armor, I might end up just as insane as they are. // END REPORT //
Pretty sure my personal Hidden Agent died a long time ago. Chronic head banging on their desk watching me fail simple parkour since the start of Destiny 1.
I personally would be insulted if the Guardian *wasn't* being watched. Everyone knows (or at least ought to know) how dangerous they are as a combatant and a symbol. Despite the memes, falling off ledges, and sparrow crashes, the Guardian is John Wick crossed with space magic. Being *anyone's* enemy is not to be taken lightly, as Crota, Oryx, Uldren Sov, Riven, and Savathûn have learned the hard way. Who could stop the Guardian if they went rogue?
@@TheEnderOfDays Question is, would that 'contingency' actually work or not? Mara Sov isn't infallible (considering Savathun's escape) but its not like the Guardian gets what she's doing half the time to be able to counter it.
I just imagine a situation where, in the middle of a debriefing about one of these VIP’s, our guardian cites on of these reports letter for letter to point out we have breached the vanguards security and are aware we are being spied on. It would be such a power move.
I like the theory that the end of shadow keep “we are, your salvation” was meant for us. Not us guardians, us personally. Following the sword logic of “only strongest thing should survive” we are prime candidate for a disciple of the witness, everything we’ve fought we’ve killed and shown our character to be the strongest thing in the story. If you follow that logic it makes perfect sense to spy on us and try to have a plan to kill us in case we turn on them.
I see it possible. Something I thought about during beyond light and then season of the chosen is our choices on what our guardian does may soon be not what we would chose. Many were mad at siding with cabal, bigger picture aside. And wielding stasis was a sketchy thing our guardian did. When light falls we will not. How else could final shape be the end of light and darkness saga. What’s after? Does it matter if we chose darkness?
Babel protocol. It may be fked up, but it is very practical to have a contingency plan. Especially with all this talk of alternate futures where guardians go rogue and kill everyone.
I mean, if I was the Hidden, a group of secret information collectors that had been operating for potentially hundreds of years, and some freshly risen guardian proceeded to kick Crota's teeth in at just a few months old (something that literally several HUNDRED guardians at once failed to do in the past) I'd track their every waking moment too.
Probably watching is to see if we start to go dark side with the whole stasis stuff too. We could completely F up the vanguard if we did end up as baddies working for the darkness
@@BirdOfHermes83 we not only could, we will completely F up the vanguard if we turn to the dark side (since there are more than 1 timeline where we did exactly that)
"The Guardian is spending large amounts of glimmer on gacha games. Very suspicious." "Where does he keep so many memes on hand?" "Did... the Guardian just rick roll Rhulk?" "The Guardian has imbedded a silent rick roll in the background of his reports. Likely hidden correspondence in some 'memey' language. Must look into." "The Guardian is settling down for the night.... by playing a 'bullet hell' game. I keep hearing him shout 'frigging lunatic mode sucks'. Incredibly suspicious behavior. Must be hidden communication to the pyramids. " "The Guardian appears frustrated from last night. He has speakers setup to broadcast loud music in a large area around him. In combat, he has played a variety of music ranging from a heavy metal, melodic type to other mysterious types uncatalogued by the City. He continually kept shouting 'I AM THE LUNATIC BOSS NOW!' as he soloed a near impossible amount of enemies." "The Guardian has entered the Vex network, muttering 'I'm finding a future where a season two exists and [some name unable to be understood] survives. This seems like a nefarious objective." - The Hidden, probably
In case people don't understand why Eris asked for a "pine-apple," Pineapples have long been extinct in the Destiny universe. So long, in fact, that the people and Guardians of the Last City believe that they aren't real. So, Eris was asking the Guardian to bring here something that doesn't exist.
I seem to recall there's also record of pineapples in the Arcology on Titan (which during Arrivals was still in normal space). Perhaps some gene stock or preserved seeds were looted from there?
One interesting detail I have noticed since the launch of Witch Queen is that whenever I open the throneworld/mars destination on my map, in the bottom right corner of the screen there is a message "1 hidden fireteam member." I always thought it was a bug, and only joked to myself that I was being spied on. Now I'm starting to think its intentional...
With the hidden watching me they'd see my Gaurdian as a problem considering I'm running into gambit alot. Especially with how all the stuff we've done since D1. If they look at how he handles the Crucible, Trails, and IB, they'd think he's a weird guardian to engage on combat with cause there is days when he destroys in the crucible, then days where he's trash af. So them watching my Gaurdian is a task on its own.
That Sigma 5 classification is something straight out of Halo. It reminds me of the classification in Halo Lore that Master Chief and Noble 6 were given, being considered Hyper-Lethal. And Ikora seems to use similar classifications for her agents as the UNSC did for their Spartans.
It's a statistic term relating to normal distribution. Being five 'normal' distributions away from the center is referred to as 'five sigma'. And only one-in-3.5 million 'somethings' is 5 normal distributions away from the center of a standard bell curve.
Just a thought, what if in cutscenes when they refer to our character as “the guardian” they made it so whatever title you had equipped would change it so that the seal’s title name is what they call you (I.e. the Warden, the Blacksmith, the Conqueror, the Wayfinder). Would make the interactions a little more personalized and interesting
@@VirozaTheWitch while it would still be a lot of voice line cost you could record all of the non-sunset titles for the year and pre record the season titles yet to come in that year Example being lightfall cutscene could say dredgen but it wouldnt be able to say risen, it would just say "Guardian"
I mean can you blame her, many Guardians just casually wield the Darkness and not to mention the amount of stuff our peeps have gone through, I'd do the exact same thing
It's only driven by fear of the strong and uncontrollable. Humans are like that, they fear and loathe the strong. None of those other Guardians singlehandedly stomped out so many of the last city greatest threats, so your logic is a bit off of you don't recognize that those weaklings haven't accomplished half what our Guardian has. Crota's armies crushed an all out assault on the moon and toyed with Eris' fireteam to the point a few of them became broken, Eris and Toland(they are both nuts). Toland is so nuts he's busy playing ghost floating around in ascendant realms and getting upset at us for not taking Oryx bullshit powers after killing him. The Darkness isn't for the weak, the Guardian is just hax at this point. No name warrior who just one man army's everything. For what reason though? Do we greatly need to try to survive this bullshit in the first place? According to the lore, the end comes for us all anyway and only the two powers will remain. So what's the actual point to resisting as we do? What's driving the Guardian? it's it whispers from the Gardener(Traveller) who wants to see endless progress? I mean we're already a perfect warrior, with pretty much perfect weapons, only thing missing is perfect victory over those so called armies who keep running around wrecking things because the fanatic The Witness thinks this is what the Darkness wanted.
I take this the same way I took Mara having contingency plans for us. I'd be insulted if a godslayer didn't have friends willing to try and stop us if we went too far. We've already shown we're willing to go against Vanguard orders and we're powerful enough to slay Hive gods and the Disciple of the Witness, not to mention the Vex Minds, Cabal leaders, and Fallen Kells that we've dispatched. Also, hug your Ghost, he's been through a lot and needs the comfort as much as anyone.
@@foxtail2139 Make your ghost a 'nest' of blankets he can burrow into and sleep without being disturbed. Even if Ghosts can't sleep like humans do, it's still nice for them to have a warm, cosy spot that's 'theirs' where they don't have to worry about being called upon. Under your jumpship's seat is a good spot.
They have no plan. Mara fears us but can’t do anything she is weak just like the vanguard hence the reason her attempt at defeating oryx failed and we walked in wanting touch of malice and shit on him
@@OreoOreoOreoOreo575 Except she literally does have contingency plans for Guardians, that's canonical fact - on top of that, Oryx could literally think you out of his ship if he wanted to because of the way throne worlds work; the Dreadnought was his throneworld. The shit that happens in-game really does fuck all for the overall lore of the universe.
Along similar lines, it provides a bit of an explanation as to how a guardian who started in D2 should be referred to aside from a title we gained near the end of D1, the Young Wolf
Or for D1 Guardians transfered to D2 'Hive bane', 'Slayer of Oryx'. And for D2 Red war guardians possibly the titles; Shadow of Earth, Shadow of Shadows, there are others, but I can't remember them off the top of my head, especially the D1 ones, I'll update later...... probably.....
Funny how the hidden keep tabs on us and I can just imagine one of the hidden is just staring around the corner while most of us are either dancing or intentionally free falling off the tower and say, “Yes, clearly they are very dangerous, must inspect further”.
I always love when we hear lore about our ghost and his relationship with us, it makes the relationship feel so much more real. Take that one hand cannon lore that was about ghost saying how he worries about us for not talking about our problems with anyone, that is my favorite piece of lore
Our ghost is the perfect example of a ghost that just exists as a servant to our guardian, other Ghosts like taht would stop resurrecting their charges
@@Flamme-Sanabi yeahbas you said it's literally called ghost. Like damn I wonder if our ghost is jealous of everyone's ghost names and we are like, "you are ghost nothing more nothing less"
I think Zavala and Ikora are afraid that we'll join the Witness, and the only reason they've kept us alive is because we're their local friendly god slayer.
I’d posit the bigger reason is they know that we’d kill them in a fight. In canon the Guardian (us) is considered the most powerful guardian there ever was, confirmed by Bungie iirc.
@@rampage0092 Or, they're treating us like meatshields. They know we're more powerful, so instead of challenging the biggest baddies out there, I/Z let us do it instead. All the while trying to keep us from getting the idea that, "Hey, it would be really easy to overthrow the Vanguard and take control of the city." They know we could destroy them, so they sic us on gods and each other to keep us distracted from that fact. All they have to do is promise us fancy guns and presto, final death avoided.
Imagining a report of the many times we've gotten yeeted into walls by Phalanxes and accidentally meleeing exploding enemies like Shanks or Cursed Thrall. For a killer of gods, we have died in many different ways and quite a few of them were less than flattering. XD
@@fuckinantipope5511 Feel like they'd be the type to just back hand you. Want more bosses to do melee hits that are more than just a generic stomp AOE. Like how Rhulk kicks you if you get too close.
another thing to notice is that ikora and her hidden are our allies and legitimately worried about our well being. if you notice when they were talking about guardians using stasis, they specifically said we were "forced" to use stasis. which is different from all the other guardians, which they implied that the other guardians willingly chose to use darkness subclasses. one thing to take note is that they are also really worried about our mental health. I'm guessing that since we're nearly immortal, mental heath is a lot more serious for guardians.
The Guardian is more akin to a lot of the legends of the lore. They've crushed Fallen Kels like Saint -14. they've defied the Vex and delved in the forbidden knowledge with Stasis akin to Osiris with his campaign against the Vex and his tendencies to go against the grain and challenge the Vanguard; unafraid to look deeper. They've avenged the first fireteam to enter the Vault of Glass destroying Atheon Times Conflux, and Eris's Ghost as well as her own fireteam Putting an end to the Hive's demon, Crota. They are responsible for the undoing of the Osmiam Dynasty (with the exception of Xivu Orath ... yet). They've defied the Sword Logic with their Light. Now that the Guardian has embraced the power of Darkness in a time where the understanding of Dark and Light has been turned on it's head they've not only become a (Un)living legend (Get it? cause we're reanimated corpses lol) but The Guardian is potentially the biggest danger to Humanity. Especially with the death of Rhulk and the implications that come with it. ...Rhulk's feats speak for themselves... If the Witness is that much more powerful than Rhulk and the Guardian kills him there wouldn't be anyone left to stop the Guardian if they went renegade. Maybe Ikora?
I just imaginated the most strange thing What if the witness let himself be "killed" by us and because of that all others now fear us and dont want us near them anymore , deciding that we are too dangerous , too powerful to be alive. This messes with the guardian(us) making it the perfect opportunity for the darkness...
@@tormentedstar8480 it would be an interesting idea for the a story line where Witness does something like that. Using the nightmares on the city to cause terror and a fear of the Guardian(s) and the Witness tries to coax them over to his side and join the black fleet. Offering us the powers of Nightmares as a means of keeping our immortality and other feats that come with that aspect of darkness. that would offer up new abilities to play with in game keeping things feeling fresh and offer us a potential story where the Witness actually gets some of us on his side. could give us a week long cruisuble event where it's only survival based game modes to reflect the infighting among the Guardians where they're actually killing each other off in the arenas. Have Calus on the Coms for the Side of darkness and Caiatl with Shaxx or Saladin on the coms for the side of Light.
I like to imagine that the music we hear isn’t actually there at all, but rather all the music we hear in Destiny is just kept by a Vex Mind named Promethean. A Vex Mind that no one knows where it is, but just that it exists and it seems to serve a purpose of archiving different kinds of soundtracks, said to have originated from the realm of the Architects.
This is interesting. I always found it weird that Guardians could act with impunity and face no consequences. The fact we are being watched seems to indicate otherwise
@@nicholaspaat7302 Literally in the last case since all the factions who actually filled the Consensus are now gone leaving just the Vanguard to run the entire city.
There's been reports, conversations, and general lore about guardians getting punished for stepping out of line since D1. Heck, the first 3 major guardians we learned about were all exiles. Toland, Dradgen Yor, and Osiris.
@@Silencersix That is interesting since by exiling us i believe it would be harder for them to keep watch and after exiled knowing the guardian(us) we would simply do what we wanted without them to drag us back and order us around
Doubt it, I vaguely remember reading an article where a dev talked about that event and Bungie ultimately decided there wasn't enough engagement from the community to justify doing more out of that.
Just making a fringe statement, but based on the first data point, I'm reading into it that Lightfall might have something to do with ghosts either losing faith in us as guardians of having some sort or PTSD and we will probably lose our light by way of our ghosts somehow. This being due to the amount of trauma they have been experiencing which seems to only get more and more intense through the story.
The only way we lose the light is if the ghost dies or if they choose not to revive us. Once a ghost picks a guardian there is usually no takebacks. A lot of guardians and ghosts have strained relationships, Ikora included.
Of course they are spying, because of how reckless and hot headed guardians are, savathune proved that all guardians do is “run fight run fight” and have you seen the teamwork in strikes and 6 player activities? All the guardians do is run past their own team to get to the end first and then there are some who will want to get every kill there is and will not be afraid to bash another guardian to get it and some even troll and block other team members shots and completely ignore teammates safety and objective. We guardians deserve to be spied on, heck for how toxic and uncooperative people have been in this game and lore, it shows we are just blind soldiers in a war we barely have any knowledge about
I hate it when people run past everything in strikes! If you didnt want to kill lots of aliens dont do strikes. They're not nightfalls. Time doesnt really matter
I love human lore. Dealing with internal issues rather than a war on the taken or stuff with the Queen, tower politics and the kind of stuff going on during season of the splicer was really fun. I wanna know more about internal affairs and suspicion.
Really wish we could roleplay some of this. I really want to mess with the Hidden. Maybe "drop" a fanfic of Ikora and Zavala for the Hidden to pick up, or just write in the sand "I spy with my little eye... BOO!" to see from their cliffside, stuff like that. Make them know I'm watching while also letting them know I'm totally cool with it. It'd also be a great way to signal for help.
What if our in-game characters know they were being watched all along and all the emotes and stuff we as players do is just their way of trolling them.
So I I just got lvl 100 on the pass and it made me realize that the quote attached to the lvl 99 emote the quote for it is “Does it live in the world? Or in the mind?” This could be relating back to the recent video discussing the arg and truth to power, and could be hinting further at the idea of Savathun breaching our world by infesting our minds with her existence
I had never heard about these guardian classifications before. The lore book says that only 10 other guardians reached Ikora's level of Sigma 5, I'm assuming that includes our guardian, Osiris, Saint, maybe Zavala?
That final entry from Eris mentioning the guardian with an ancient Akkadian or Sumerian name. I believe she might have been referring to Sen-Aret from the other pieces of lore from WQ.
I like to imagine the hidden recording us blowing ourselves up with Gjally, bringing that back to Ikora, her watching, and just saying “interesting… if you find anything else, bring it back, we can’t leave anything to be questioned, we have to know for sure what the Guardian is doing…”
I've seen this in a few comments and I agree; I'm not surpised and I'd have been insulted if we were not on the Hidden's radar. From our first adventures on Venus and Mars gaining access to the Black Garden to our recent battles with Savathun and the discoveries about the Hive (Krill), I'd keep an eye on us too.
As a spy agency/internal affairs office, I'd be downright shocked if we, of all Guardians, somehow slipped their notice. Indeed, as Ikora and Eris continue to be major influences on the organization as a whole, keeping an eye on them in return seems mostly unnecessary, as edifying as the lore book insights into their workings have been. With that said, I'm sure we'll continue to pursue and enjoy such glimpses when and if they occur - for the gossip factor if nothing else.
Of course they do. Wouldn't you keep on eye on the (occasionally) bloodlusted, (edit: mostly) mute, impossibly invincible Godslayer, who uses power previously shown to corrupt the user?
Mara issued a warning that the Guardian may succumb to the Darkness completely. That’s why she has a contingency plan. Ikora agrees with Mara that it is better to be prepared rather than not.
Haha - of course we're being spied on. Good intelligence means you keep eyes and ears on everything, even your own allies - its common sense. It isn't about trust. Its about brokering information as power. Ikora is the Warlock Vanguard, she would be really dumb to not keep tabs on all of us. After all, she totally missed Saviris. I wish we could become a Hidden. Their armor set is pretty cool.
Hey have you noticed that the armor of the scorn has very recently changed colors in the raid vow of the disciple and in the throne world to a dark purple from a yellow. And the one that are in the dreaming city are still yellow Also nice video
Owl sector person you're thinking of is Ana Bray's partner, Camrin. Ikora has never had any romantic ties with anyone but the feeling I get from many of Chalco and Ikora's interactions give credence towards some sort of affection going on
Ikora: "So what's the Guardian doing?" Hidden Agent: "Well...." Looks over at the Guardian playing air guitar while getting shot at during a public event. "The usual."
Somillion said this in a different comment: It's a statistic term relating to normal distribution. Being five 'normal' distributions away from the center is referred to as 'five sigma'. And only one-in-3.5 million 'somethings' is 5 normal distributions away from the center of a standard bell curve.
I think it would be a really cool story beat to have a split narrative kinda like when we had to chose between the drifter and the vanguard. Except in this instance we could have our guardian chose between the vanguard and the witness (or some other entity like Mara Sov) and either choice can change the story for the season or dlc
It’s about time how many times has our guardian killed beings thought to be impossible to kill after killing oryx id be suspicious as hell so yeah I can see why our guardian would be watched
I haven’t played destiny in awhile now but I loved it, the story is full of lore. I remember the og destiny app that was full of all kinds of info at the time, but I can’t remember exactly what happened when they changed it but I had not finished reading everything. This is making me want to go play again and see the new whatever there is now. Great video man you have always been great with the lore, they should make you a weapon call it the, Hey guys! Byf hear.. That be amazing lol they should though.
@@Zevox144 yanno I read the original comment worh a smirk like yeah good luck Mara….. then I read your comment and I gotta admit you got me trapped that’s for sure
I mean, damn. It shouldn't come as a surprise that they'd keep a close eye on one of the most powerful guardians, who have accomplished feats that no one have ever done. Yet somehow, it was. Now personally, I don't like people talking about me behind my back, so I'll do what I can to keep up with messages from the hidden
It would have been extremely odd if the Hidden didn't keep tabs on us given just our accomplishments from mere days to weeks after first waking up in the Cosmodrome and we already know that Aunor had been watching Sundance's last recordings repeatedly to try and figure out if she could trust us and if we had anything to do with Cayde's death. Whether Ikora wanted to bring us into her fold of Hidden agents, or if she wanted to keep tabs on one of the guardians in the Vanguard who is able to defeat enemies many times stronger than themselves through either sheer luck, strength of arms, or even just plain willpower, the Hidden's concerns are extremely valid regarding our Guardian and our Ghost, especially after we started experimenting around with Stasis. Heck, if I were Ikora, I would want to know exactly where in the Cosmodrome our Ghost found us and see if we can find more Guardians of our caliber there. :D
Somillion said this in a different comment: It's a statistic term relating to normal distribution. Being five 'normal' distributions away from the center is referred to as 'five sigma'. And only one-in-3.5 million 'somethings' is 5 normal distributions away from the center of a standard bell curve.
That first message between Chalco and Ikora. Yeah. This is why I headcanon my guardians as not THE Guardian. I’m not a Stasis user. I’ll stick to the Light, thank you very much.
Us being watched isn't surprising. The degree to which we're watched is, though. I'm surprised we aren't MORE under scrutiny. We're a hinge of every important story beat in all of Destiny, being at the dead center of more paradigm shifts than even the two primordial forces driving our story themselves.
It's not necessarily a bad thing. I get it, there's a necessity. But for all the times we fought to do in the darkness's plans, this seems beyond unreasonable for much like a blade we have tempered our resolve to the traveler
I'm thinking (ofc depending on skill) we'd be Sigma 2 or Sigma 3. The Guardian is INCREDIBLY strong, but nothing compared to what we've heard about Ikora. Nothing even close. She has abilities that are far more than what we can muster.
I wish our guardian was more of a character. I'm not at all a fan of the silent protagonist "its an extension of you" sort of characters. I would prefer my guardian had their own thoughts and feelings about things, like Uldren becoming Crow or the Cabal alliance. I as an individual have opinions on this but I'd sure like if my guardian did too. Instead, we're just this randomly powerful not-even-a-decade-old guardian that people only talk to when a god steps out of line.
@@zenora84 That's not my style. Nothing against folks who make OCs, I just haven't had an interest in doing that since I was a young boy. Bungie can make good characters, Destiny is full of them, I just don't think "The Guardian" is one of them.
The hidden agent spying on my ship like all he does is just stay in orbit…what is he doing. (Watches my ship stay in orbit for a week) Meanwhile me in the ship having decision paralysis between all the activities that are in the world.
@@Ghost_Toast5000 It's lead by two people, but the Vanguard has plenty of Guardians under their command. Shiro-4 was named "Vanguard Scout" back in RoI.
Honestly I think we should be watched. Us as the player guardian are very scary we've killed more than one Hive god.. also have you seen the new 2 lies and 2 truths all about the Traveler? It's kinda spooky
This is exactly why when the chance came to choose a side back in the Forsaken Season Of The Drifter era, we sided with The Drifter instead of The Vanguard. Darkness subclasses all the way 🙌
Am I the only one that feels bad for our ghost? I mean he is ignoring his own needs and trauma gained from literally getting possessed by a god, and all for our benefit with nothing gained in return.
No you’re not alone. Our character is horrible to Ghost. We never ask him if he’s alright, we never try to assuage his occasional doubts about us, hel we never even so much as offer half-hearted reassurance when he outright admits he fears us. The Guardian just wonders along like a brick with legs, not caring about anything or anyone really. Its why I hate our character in the story. If this was an actual RPG we could actually have more input, but instead we’re stuck with a socially inept sociopath.
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The witness wants one being to be the most powerful, unrivaled, and so far that's us. Wonder if we even have a side
@@EightsofSpades in-game we'll probably defeat the witness, or at least side with good, but i wouldn't be surprised if we had a bit of a god complex. Not an entirely undeserved one but still
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Wait untill the 40-series and how it will increase your electric bill if the rumours are true!
The fanatic and the witness are prolly working together btw. Judging from the fact there’s scorn in the throne world titled “The Fanatics Chosen”. Just something i wanted to point out from your other video.
I mean... Doesn't surprise me. Protagonist aside, keeping an eye on one of the youngest, well-accomplished guardians seems sensible, especially with the tendency for us to go against vanguard orders every so often.
This is something I assumed would be a given that they would keep tabs on anything even slightly outside the norm especially with savathun be at play and since the darkness emerged especially a single gaurdian that is new killing some of the most powerful being that have slayed hundred of other gaurdians then also harnessing the darkness crosses a boundary that would certainly draw a lot of eyes
I mean to be fair I regularly just ignore zavala
That and Stasis
Not to mention our affinity with being called out by and to The Darkness!
When the hell we are against Vanguard orders?
Hidden Agent ORI-527
Report 036 on VIP-2014
Notes from week 08 of observation:
-This guy spent 2 days at a lost sector this week. He would rush in, kill everything, then wait outside until more forces arrived to reinforce the sector, and do it all over again. FOR TWO DAYS STRAIGHT. He didn't sleep or eat. He only took one break 8 hours in when he noticed a high-value target in the area, and then went right back to it. What are they possibly getting from this? My ghost suggested it could be some form of meditation, but there is very little backing this up.
-They display worryingly destructive habits, but not in excessive violence against targets or brutal methods. I observed several instances where they would pick up a weapon or other equipment dropped from a defeated target, perform a brief inspection, compare it against several paint swatches (I am still unsure why they carry these seemingly everywhere they go), and finally dismantle it with a ruthless efficiency in under three seconds. Incredibly, even at this speed, no parts are broken, they just... take the weapon completely apart. I'm almost inclined to believe this is some sort of personal ritual for them. They occasionally will keep a weapon they find, but I am unsure of what criteria they use to choose which weapons are kept.
-On the topic of their weapon usage, I was granted permission to inspect their vault for this investigation, which only raised further questions about their general state of mind. They had approximately 500 different weapons, armor, and miscellaneous artifacts in storage. Guardians are typically given a small, 9 space storage locker on arrival to the tower, so I am not sure how they acquired ownership of an entire wing of the Vanguard vault facility, but I suspect it is simply because no one wants to risk disturbing what's in there. I noted 10 separate pieces of equipment made with Ahamkara bones, several guns that you could observe physically radiating with darkness energy, and countless weapons made from unstable technology I haven't seen before. I assume the only reason they haven't quarantined the entire area is because they haven't yet figured out how to appropriately classify something that is every type of hazardous at once.
-Speaking of hazards, I had expected a certain efficiency from a Guardian as acclaimed as this. They do certainly deliver (reports indicate them completing vanguard operations in minutes), but I also expected they would die rarely, if at all, on standard operations. It appears to be quite the contrary. They die very frequently, and most often by their own hand. They seemingly do not mind crashing their sparrow, blowing themselves up, or jumping into large chasms. In fact, at one point I watched them for 30 minutes as they repeatedly threw themselves into a ravine on Europa attempting to cross it through various methods, including one which involved madly swinging a sword while in the air (somehow, this did actually end up bringing them across the gap).
-The final part of this investigation was a personal interview with VIP-2014. I joined his fireteam for a vanguard operation, and attempted to ask them some questions. They did not respond to any attempts at communication. At the end of the operation, I attempted to directly address them face-to-face, and they just stood there, silently staring at me through their helmet. I attempted to ask their Ghost, who only remarked "they don't really talk that much." After 20 seconds of unresponsive staring, they put up their hand for a high-five, and hoping for some kind of progress, I obliged. They then gave me a thumbs up, did several dance moves, and immediately transmatted to orbit.
Conclusions:
-I am not an expert on psychology, but there is definitely something wrong with VIP-2014, and there are only two possibilities I can suggest; -VIP-2014 is either the single greatest guardian to have ever lived, who has some higher understanding of the Light and the universe that we are unable to comprehend, and this granted them great power and knowledge at the cost of their sanity.
-Or VIP-2014 is quite literally mindless, acting only on some base instinct. Following instructions and orders from quite literally anyone who offers them even the slightest reward. Perhaps their skill with the Light comes from this pure, empty state of mind, allowing them to be a direct conduit for the will and power of the Traveler.
-Any other Hidden agent with a few weeks to spare is welcome to try and figure out what's wrong with them, but the only thing I've gotten by following them around is a headache, and if I have to spend another two hours watching them compare shaders for their armor, I might end up just as insane as they are.
// END REPORT //
This was brilliant and hilarious!
This made my whole week. Thank you
Greatest fucking thing I've read all week. Amazing.
Bungie should give you a job after that. Amazing. Thank you dude.
This is a beautiful piece of fan lore, I'd put this in the game.
Jokes on them, I have a camera in Zavala’s Office. I’ve seen how he dances to Shaxxercise
Mind sharing that tape
😂😭
Are you sure he isn't just exercising? :P
May you share the video?
😂
Pretty sure my personal Hidden Agent died a long time ago.
Chronic head banging on their desk watching me fail simple parkour since the start of Destiny 1.
Nah, they're just on a long term, indefinite vacation at a five star hotel in the Last City.
I personally would be insulted if the Guardian *wasn't* being watched. Everyone knows (or at least ought to know) how dangerous they are as a combatant and a symbol. Despite the memes, falling off ledges, and sparrow crashes, the Guardian is John Wick crossed with space magic. Being *anyone's* enemy is not to be taken lightly, as Crota, Oryx, Uldren Sov, Riven, and Savathûn have learned the hard way.
Who could stop the Guardian if they went rogue?
That is pretty much every video game protagenist.
Wasn’t Mara sov making “contingency’s “ in case the guardian fell to the darkness
@@TheEnderOfDays Yeeeup
Batman
@@TheEnderOfDays Question is, would that 'contingency' actually work or not? Mara Sov isn't infallible (considering Savathun's escape) but its not like the Guardian gets what she's doing half the time to be able to counter it.
I just imagine a situation where, in the middle of a debriefing about one of these VIP’s, our guardian cites on of these reports letter for letter to point out we have breached the vanguards security and are aware we are being spied on.
It would be such a power move.
Just t-pose after telling them you know. They will fear us
Just being in corpses of all the hive guardians
Or immature. A lot of what they are saying is out of concern for our wellbeing. Also, people talk, it’s in our nature.
@@honorboundfate9521 not mutes, but I get ya
@@LegacyFTW-_- don't forget the hive ghost as well except Fynch leave him out of that
I like the theory that the end of shadow keep “we are, your salvation” was meant for us. Not us guardians, us personally. Following the sword logic of “only strongest thing should survive” we are prime candidate for a disciple of the witness, everything we’ve fought we’ve killed and shown our character to be the strongest thing in the story. If you follow that logic it makes perfect sense to spy on us and try to have a plan to kill us in case we turn on them.
It sounds like the same kind of logic as the Shadows of Calus.
@@VallornDeathblade I think a lot of people speculate that’s where Calus got the idea from
I see it possible. Something I thought about during beyond light and then season of the chosen is our choices on what our guardian does may soon be not what we would chose. Many were mad at siding with cabal, bigger picture aside. And wielding stasis was a sketchy thing our guardian did. When light falls we will not. How else could final shape be the end of light and darkness saga. What’s after? Does it matter if we chose darkness?
L I G H T F A L L L. Imagine a scene where Ikora randomly turns on us or we have to fight her...
Babel protocol. It may be fked up, but it is very practical to have a contingency plan. Especially with all this talk of alternate futures where guardians go rogue and kill everyone.
I mean, if I was the Hidden, a group of secret information collectors that had been operating for potentially hundreds of years, and some freshly risen guardian proceeded to kick Crota's teeth in at just a few months old (something that literally several HUNDRED guardians at once failed to do in the past) I'd track their every waking moment too.
Probably watching is to see if we start to go dark side with the whole stasis stuff too. We could completely F up the vanguard if we did end up as baddies working for the darkness
@@BirdOfHermes83 we not only could, we will completely F up the vanguard if we turn to the dark side (since there are more than 1 timeline where we did exactly that)
@@agentsith1572 ur putting this into weird terms. We killed Rhulk a civilization destroyer.
Equaling out we’re planet level probably vanguard dies.
"The Guardian is spending large amounts of glimmer on gacha games. Very suspicious."
"Where does he keep so many memes on hand?"
"Did... the Guardian just rick roll Rhulk?"
"The Guardian has imbedded a silent rick roll in the background of his reports. Likely hidden correspondence in some 'memey' language. Must look into."
"The Guardian is settling down for the night.... by playing a 'bullet hell' game. I keep hearing him shout 'frigging lunatic mode sucks'. Incredibly suspicious behavior. Must be hidden communication to the pyramids. "
"The Guardian appears frustrated from last night. He has speakers setup to broadcast loud music in a large area around him. In combat, he has played a variety of music ranging from a heavy metal, melodic type to other mysterious types uncatalogued by the City. He continually kept shouting 'I AM THE LUNATIC BOSS NOW!' as he soloed a near impossible amount of enemies."
"The Guardian has entered the Vex network, muttering 'I'm finding a future where a season two exists and [some name unable to be understood] survives. This seems like a nefarious objective."
- The Hidden, probably
Indeed.
Season 2 of Cowboy BeBop is a worthy venture to risk the fabric of spacetime on.
Damn so the guardian didn’t go looking for a future with the ending of berserk. I see how it is...
@@nathaniel7165 if they did, the Hidden agent missed it perhaps. But it'd be hilarious if the agent teamed up with the Guardian to do it lol.
@@hithere5553 or Gate
In case people don't understand why Eris asked for a "pine-apple," Pineapples have long been extinct in the Destiny universe. So long, in fact, that the people and Guardians of the Last City believe that they aren't real. So, Eris was asking the Guardian to bring here something that doesn't exist.
In a later page, she gets a pineapple and is amazed that it’s real.
@@trevelyandovah8479 Also muses as to why it was even given that name.
I seem to recall there's also record of pineapples in the Arcology on Titan (which during Arrivals was still in normal space). Perhaps some gene stock or preserved seeds were looted from there?
@@S3Cs4uN8 breadfruit
Shoutout Pineapple
Me IRL: Hello FBI agent.
My Guardian: Hello hidden.
American Security Systems low key preparing us for when we resurrect as guardians and it's space police that spies on us
One interesting detail I have noticed since the launch of Witch Queen is that whenever I open the throneworld/mars destination on my map, in the bottom right corner of the screen there is a message "1 hidden fireteam member." I always thought it was a bug, and only joked to myself that I was being spied on. Now I'm starting to think its intentional...
OOOOH, yes ive seen that too. i thought it was a bug that meant us or something. like our fire team has 1 member: us.
nope thats to show that you're in a hidden area, nothing more
That's always been there
That’s always been there for years💀
Impossible. Perhaps the archives are incomplete.
With the hidden watching me they'd see my Gaurdian as a problem considering I'm running into gambit alot. Especially with how all the stuff we've done since D1. If they look at how he handles the Crucible, Trails, and IB, they'd think he's a weird guardian to engage on combat with cause there is days when he destroys in the crucible, then days where he's trash af. So them watching my Gaurdian is a task on its own.
Hidden spy: “wait where are they going”
The Guardian: “hehe sparrow slipstream flying go brrrrrrryeeeetvrrrrrrmmmm”
The hidden have been watching me and my friends lose our minds laughing at the rag dolls from the traps in grasp of averance
They probably think your guardian is mentally ill for playing gambit. They don’t see you as much of a threat most likely.
That Sigma 5 classification is something straight out of Halo. It reminds me of the classification in Halo Lore that Master Chief and Noble 6 were given, being considered Hyper-Lethal. And Ikora seems to use similar classifications for her agents as the UNSC did for their Spartans.
It's a statistic term relating to normal distribution. Being five 'normal' distributions away from the center is referred to as 'five sigma'. And only one-in-3.5 million 'somethings' is 5 normal distributions away from the center of a standard bell curve.
@@MrBlueBurd0451 can you dumb down what you said a little?
@@bolotniy 5 sigma means big number. Ikora is 1/big number
Somillian so what is ours?
@@noahhkun5097 ah thank
Just a thought, what if in cutscenes when they refer to our character as “the guardian” they made it so whatever title you had equipped would change it so that the seal’s title name is what they call you (I.e. the Warden, the Blacksmith, the Conqueror, the Wayfinder). Would make the interactions a little more personalized and interesting
Dredgen
Ah yes
"Gumshoe, we need your help, the scorn are smugling some pyramid tech"
@@VirozaTheWitch while it would still be a lot of voice line cost you could record all of the non-sunset titles for the year and pre record the season titles yet to come in that year
Example being lightfall cutscene could say dredgen but it wouldnt be able to say risen, it would just say "Guardian"
"Eyes up, Vidmaster"
MMXVII, we've received intel of a terminus located on Nessus.
I'm constantly amazed at how deep and rich the lore for this game is
I mean can you blame her, many Guardians just casually wield the Darkness and not to mention the amount of stuff our peeps have gone through, I'd do the exact same thing
It's only driven by fear of the strong and uncontrollable. Humans are like that, they fear and loathe the strong. None of those other Guardians singlehandedly stomped out so many of the last city greatest threats, so your logic is a bit off of you don't recognize that those weaklings haven't accomplished half what our Guardian has. Crota's armies crushed an all out assault on the moon and toyed with Eris' fireteam to the point a few of them became broken, Eris and Toland(they are both nuts). Toland is so nuts he's busy playing ghost floating around in ascendant realms and getting upset at us for not taking Oryx bullshit powers after killing him. The Darkness isn't for the weak, the Guardian is just hax at this point. No name warrior who just one man army's everything. For what reason though? Do we greatly need to try to survive this bullshit in the first place? According to the lore, the end comes for us all anyway and only the two powers will remain. So what's the actual point to resisting as we do? What's driving the Guardian? it's it whispers from the Gardener(Traveller) who wants to see endless progress? I mean we're already a perfect warrior, with pretty much perfect weapons, only thing missing is perfect victory over those so called armies who keep running around wrecking things because the fanatic The Witness thinks this is what the Darkness wanted.
I take this the same way I took Mara having contingency plans for us. I'd be insulted if a godslayer didn't have friends willing to try and stop us if we went too far. We've already shown we're willing to go against Vanguard orders and we're powerful enough to slay Hive gods and the Disciple of the Witness, not to mention the Vex Minds, Cabal leaders, and Fallen Kells that we've dispatched.
Also, hug your Ghost, he's been through a lot and needs the comfort as much as anyone.
Our poor ghost was scarred about us using thr darkness, but has soon to accept us doing it
@@foxtail2139 Make your ghost a 'nest' of blankets he can burrow into and sleep without being disturbed. Even if Ghosts can't sleep like humans do, it's still nice for them to have a warm, cosy spot that's 'theirs' where they don't have to worry about being called upon. Under your jumpship's seat is a good spot.
@@VallornDeathblade so a safe space for the ghost.
They have no plan. Mara fears us but can’t do anything she is weak just like the vanguard hence the reason her attempt at defeating oryx failed and we walked in wanting touch of malice and shit on him
@@OreoOreoOreoOreo575 Except she literally does have contingency plans for Guardians, that's canonical fact - on top of that, Oryx could literally think you out of his ship if he wanted to because of the way throne worlds work; the Dreadnought was his throneworld.
The shit that happens in-game really does fuck all for the overall lore of the universe.
I always took "The Guardian" as the game implying you to "Fill in the blank' with whatever you want your Guardian to be called, name wise or otherwise
Along similar lines, it provides a bit of an explanation as to how a guardian who started in D2 should be referred to aside from a title we gained near the end of D1, the Young Wolf
Or for D1 Guardians transfered to D2 'Hive bane', 'Slayer of Oryx'. And for D2 Red war guardians possibly the titles; Shadow of Earth, Shadow of Shadows, there are others, but I can't remember them off the top of my head, especially the D1 ones, I'll update later...... probably.....
My guardians name is Mammary Man. The hidden have been keeping tabs on Mammary Man.
My Guardian’s name is Chloe Fisher
Funny how the hidden keep tabs on us and I can just imagine one of the hidden is just staring around the corner while most of us are either dancing or intentionally free falling off the tower and say, “Yes, clearly they are very dangerous, must inspect further”.
I fucking love that XD
*Proceeds to take notes* - "GUARDIAN APPEARS TO BE DANCING, VERY DANGEROUS INDEED!"
I always love when we hear lore about our ghost and his relationship with us, it makes the relationship feel so much more real. Take that one hand cannon lore that was about ghost saying how he worries about us for not talking about our problems with anyone, that is my favorite piece of lore
Damn, I never realized how much strain we actually do put on our ghost..
Right? We never let it rest on our lap like Crow does, or really do any talking with it.
@@Flamme-Sanabi To be fair, he does most of our talking for us lol
@@Zevox144 but I mean like... We never talk with him, he does not even have a name, he is just... Ghost.
Our ghost is the perfect example of a ghost that just exists as a servant to our guardian, other Ghosts like taht would stop resurrecting their charges
@@Flamme-Sanabi yeahbas you said it's literally called ghost. Like damn I wonder if our ghost is jealous of everyone's ghost names and we are like, "you are ghost nothing more nothing less"
Guardian in-Game: *Takes 20+ hours in Raid Race*
Guardian in-Lore: *One-Winged Angel plays*
Guardian: (Player AFK)
Raid Boss: “he’s just standing there…MENACINGLY”
I think Zavala and Ikora are afraid that we'll join the Witness, and the only reason they've kept us alive is because we're their local friendly god slayer.
I’d posit the bigger reason is they know that we’d kill them in a fight. In canon the Guardian (us) is considered the most powerful guardian there ever was, confirmed by Bungie iirc.
@@rampage0092 Or, they're treating us like meatshields. They know we're more powerful, so instead of challenging the biggest baddies out there, I/Z let us do it instead. All the while trying to keep us from getting the idea that, "Hey, it would be really easy to overthrow the Vanguard and take control of the city." They know we could destroy them, so they sic us on gods and each other to keep us distracted from that fact. All they have to do is promise us fancy guns and presto, final death avoided.
Some people will try and argue that water isn’t wet 🤦🏻♂️
@@firstmarkbannor5266 Actually, and this has been proven by science, water really isn't wet.
@George Harris lore wise guardians can do that but for balance sake we can't pop 30 nova bombs
Imagining a report of the many times we've gotten yeeted into walls by Phalanxes and accidentally meleeing exploding enemies like Shanks or Cursed Thrall. For a killer of gods, we have died in many different ways and quite a few of them were less than flattering. XD
the architects are the final shape
@@fysy9989 can't wait to die by the Wittness stomping me against a wall at mach 10
for gods death is the end. for us its a brand new five minutes till we die again. we're basically the ultimate undead.
@@fuckinantipope5511 Feel like they'd be the type to just back hand you. Want more bosses to do melee hits that are more than just a generic stomp AOE. Like how Rhulk kicks you if you get too close.
You forgot the times we’ve accidentally died doing something on our sparrows
I was genuinely expecting one of the messages to be about how the guardian jumps off the tower so many times
another thing to notice is that ikora and her hidden are our allies and legitimately worried about our well being.
if you notice when they were talking about guardians using stasis, they specifically said we were "forced" to use stasis. which is different from all the other guardians, which they implied that the other guardians willingly chose to use darkness subclasses.
one thing to take note is that they are also really worried about our mental health. I'm guessing that since we're nearly immortal, mental heath is a lot more serious for guardians.
Ngl I don't like the fundament shell. I wish we got a hive ghost shell instead, or an Immaru shell
If I remember correctly, the Hive Ghost shell was a preorder bonus.
@@AeridesEntertainment Nope.
@@AeridesEntertainment you're probably thinking of the physical object
Some advice, if you're paranoid, just remember... dont worry, you're not alone.
The Guardian is more akin to a lot of the legends of the lore. They've crushed Fallen Kels like Saint -14. they've defied the Vex and delved in the forbidden knowledge with Stasis akin to Osiris with his campaign against the Vex and his tendencies to go against the grain and challenge the Vanguard; unafraid to look deeper. They've avenged the first fireteam to enter the Vault of Glass destroying Atheon Times Conflux, and Eris's Ghost as well as her own fireteam Putting an end to the Hive's demon, Crota. They are responsible for the undoing of the Osmiam Dynasty (with the exception of Xivu Orath ... yet). They've defied the Sword Logic with their Light. Now that the Guardian has embraced the power of Darkness in a time where the understanding of Dark and Light has been turned on it's head they've not only become a (Un)living legend (Get it? cause we're reanimated corpses lol) but The Guardian is potentially the biggest danger to Humanity. Especially with the death of Rhulk and the implications that come with it. ...Rhulk's feats speak for themselves... If the Witness is that much more powerful than Rhulk and the Guardian kills him there wouldn't be anyone left to stop the Guardian if they went renegade. Maybe Ikora?
Nah the ERROR CODES are the most powerful thing in the Destiny universe
I just imaginated the most strange thing
What if the witness let himself be "killed" by us and because of that all others now fear us and dont want us near them anymore , deciding that we are too dangerous , too powerful to be alive.
This messes with the guardian(us) making it the perfect opportunity for the darkness...
@@tormentedstar8480 it would be an interesting idea for the a story line where Witness does something like that. Using the nightmares on the city to cause terror and a fear of the Guardian(s) and the Witness tries to coax them over to his side and join the black fleet. Offering us the powers of Nightmares as a means of keeping our immortality and other feats that come with that aspect of darkness. that would offer up new abilities to play with in game keeping things feeling fresh and offer us a potential story where the Witness actually gets some of us on his side. could give us a week long cruisuble event where it's only survival based game modes to reflect the infighting among the Guardians where they're actually killing each other off in the arenas. Have Calus on the Coms for the Side of darkness and Caiatl with Shaxx or Saladin on the coms for the side of Light.
IKORA IS CLASSIFIED AS A SIGMA GUARDIAN?!?!?! Nice😎
That's weak
Shes good at opening closed doors for us! 😉
sigma theme starts playing
Sigma balls
My guardian listening to Deepstone Lullaby:
*vibes*
My hidden agent listening too:
*vibes*
I like to imagine that the music we hear isn’t actually there at all, but rather all the music we hear in Destiny is just kept by a Vex Mind named Promethean. A Vex Mind that no one knows where it is, but just that it exists and it seems to serve a purpose of archiving different kinds of soundtracks, said to have originated from the realm of the Architects.
3:10 They keep telling how Ikora is VERY powerful but I wish we could see how strong she truly is in game one day
Little late for a reply but maybe in light fall we’ll see
This is interesting. I always found it weird that Guardians could act with impunity and face no consequences. The fact we are being watched seems to indicate otherwise
They were actually considering exiling us and all other Stasis users for a while
@@Silencersix just the praxic order and consensus. But judging by their past actions, who gives a f about the praxic and consensus at this point.
@@nicholaspaat7302 Literally in the last case since all the factions who actually filled the Consensus are now gone leaving just the Vanguard to run the entire city.
There's been reports, conversations, and general lore about guardians getting punished for stepping out of line since D1. Heck, the first 3 major guardians we learned about were all exiles. Toland, Dradgen Yor, and Osiris.
@@Silencersix
That is interesting since by exiling us i believe it would be harder for them to keep watch and after exiled knowing the guardian(us) we would simply do what we wanted without them to drag us back and order us around
Jeez must be laughing their asses off for my bad habit of punching cursed thralls. That's a head-canon I have for the hidden watching me.
By chance are you a titan?
@@AshirenAloiseVoidsung naturally. I main titan. Still love my warlock and hunter though
They seem to have a tendency to punch things, no matter the danger. Perhaps we can make a device that suppresses them momentarily if they go rogue?
Remember when we had to choose between the Drifter and the Vanguard?? I wonder if there is/will be a follow up to the choice we made back it 2019
Doubt it, I vaguely remember reading an article where a dev talked about that event and Bungie ultimately decided there wasn't enough engagement from the community to justify doing more out of that.
Just making a fringe statement, but based on the first data point, I'm reading into it that Lightfall might have something to do with ghosts either losing faith in us as guardians of having some sort or PTSD and we will probably lose our light by way of our ghosts somehow. This being due to the amount of trauma they have been experiencing which seems to only get more and more intense through the story.
The only way we lose the light is if the ghost dies or if they choose not to revive us. Once a ghost picks a guardian there is usually no takebacks. A lot of guardians and ghosts have strained relationships, Ikora included.
What's going on between Ikora and her ghost
@@culturesBLKmen I forget where in the lore, but at one point they didn't talk for over a century
@@Topoftheworld121 It was only 61 years
@@S3Cs4uN8 **only** 61 years
Of course they are spying, because of how reckless and hot headed guardians are, savathune proved that all guardians do is “run fight run fight” and have you seen the teamwork in strikes and 6 player activities? All the guardians do is run past their own team to get to the end first and then there are some who will want to get every kill there is and will not be afraid to bash another guardian to get it and some even troll and block other team members shots and completely ignore teammates safety and objective. We guardians deserve to be spied on, heck for how toxic and uncooperative people have been in this game and lore, it shows we are just blind soldiers in a war we barely have any knowledge about
I hate it when people run past everything in strikes! If you didnt want to kill lots of aliens dont do strikes. They're not nightfalls. Time doesnt really matter
@@BirdOfHermes83 amen to that, especially when all the missed enemies are lost exp for you and the xp shared with your teammates
I love human lore. Dealing with internal issues rather than a war on the taken or stuff with the Queen, tower politics and the kind of stuff going on during season of the splicer was really fun. I wanna know more about internal affairs and suspicion.
All these codes and then signs off the first message ‘With Love, Chalco’
Really wish we could roleplay some of this. I really want to mess with the Hidden. Maybe "drop" a fanfic of Ikora and Zavala for the Hidden to pick up, or just write in the sand "I spy with my little eye... BOO!" to see from their cliffside, stuff like that. Make them know I'm watching while also letting them know I'm totally cool with it. It'd also be a great way to signal for help.
What if our in-game characters know they were being watched all along and all the emotes and stuff we as players do is just their way of trolling them.
@@GearShotgun Look, we now have the torture dance in D2, we are most certainly messing with the hidden.
@@void-9572 As someone who did said torture dance in front of Nezerac's corpse to dab on him, I will agree.
Honestly I love my ghost and I really want to give him a hug
I hope he’s doing ok
Ikroa: What is VIP#2014 doing?
The Hidden: ummm… I just saw them fall to their death for the 10th time in the past 3 minutes.
So I I just got lvl 100 on the pass and it made me realize that the quote attached to the lvl 99 emote the quote for it is “Does it live in the world? Or in the mind?” This could be relating back to the recent video discussing the arg and truth to power, and could be hinting further at the idea of Savathun breaching our world by infesting our minds with her existence
I've always had a head cannon that my hunter is a member of the hidden. I wish we had little choices like that in the game
I had never heard about these guardian classifications before. The lore book says that only 10 other guardians reached Ikora's level of Sigma 5, I'm assuming that includes our guardian, Osiris, Saint, maybe Zavala?
Where can you find these lore books
Our hidden agent, following us into a raid, "oh shit I hope none of the bosses notice me"
"Wait, why is the boss shooting at that wall?"
That final entry from Eris mentioning the guardian with an ancient Akkadian or Sumerian name. I believe she might have been referring to Sen-Aret from the other pieces of lore from WQ.
I know it’s been six months but I just have to say damn Sen-Aret is a sick name
Actually, her name is Enina, it was revealed in the “YES” entry in the singular exigent lore book, which is also where “WHITE” comes from.
I like to imagine the hidden recording us blowing ourselves up with Gjally, bringing that back to Ikora, her watching, and just saying “interesting… if you find anything else, bring it back, we can’t leave anything to be questioned, we have to know for sure what the Guardian is doing…”
I've seen this in a few comments and I agree; I'm not surpised and I'd have been insulted if we were not on the Hidden's radar. From our first adventures on Venus and Mars gaining access to the Black Garden to our recent battles with Savathun and the discoveries about the Hive (Krill), I'd keep an eye on us too.
Honestly, I would be insulted if they weren't keeping an eye on us.
I think I’d be more insulted that they sit back and do nothing when our guardian could probably use a hand.
I mean the Young Wolf is basically light side Rhulk...
As a spy agency/internal affairs office, I'd be downright shocked if we, of all Guardians, somehow slipped their notice. Indeed, as Ikora and Eris continue to be major influences on the organization as a whole, keeping an eye on them in return seems mostly unnecessary, as edifying as the lore book insights into their workings have been. With that said, I'm sure we'll continue to pursue and enjoy such glimpses when and if they occur - for the gossip factor if nothing else.
Saint: You've been _spying_ on [the Guardian]!?
Osiris: I watch _all_ Guardians with stature.
Of course they do.
Wouldn't you keep on eye on the (occasionally) bloodlusted, (edit: mostly) mute, impossibly invincible Godslayer, who uses power previously shown to corrupt the user?
We're more along the lines of 'men (or women) of few words' than 'mute'.
@@Techhunter_Talon mostly mute.
But I take your point.
Mara issued a warning that the Guardian may succumb to the Darkness completely. That’s why she has a contingency plan. Ikora agrees with Mara that it is better to be prepared rather than not.
Haha - of course we're being spied on. Good intelligence means you keep eyes and ears on everything, even your own allies - its common sense. It isn't about trust. Its about brokering information as power. Ikora is the Warlock Vanguard, she would be really dumb to not keep tabs on all of us. After all, she totally missed Saviris.
I wish we could become a Hidden. Their armor set is pretty cool.
Ikora and her hidden are basically bungie and their stat collecting procedure of use age rates. Their judgment calls are always polarizing.
Hey have you noticed that the armor of the scorn has very recently changed colors in the raid vow of the disciple and in the throne world to a dark purple from a yellow. And the one that are in the dreaming city are still yellow
Also nice video
makes sense, can't have an infinite number of Kings corpses, gotta start digging into Dusk
@@Zevox144 And there is a lot more dusk bodies to be raised.
Owl sector person you're thinking of is Ana Bray's partner, Camrin. Ikora has never had any romantic ties with anyone but the feeling I get from many of Chalco and Ikora's interactions give credence towards some sort of affection going on
Well I trust Ikora not too jump the gun if we ever LOOK like we're doing anything shady
Ikora: "So what's the Guardian doing?"
Hidden Agent: "Well...." Looks over at the Guardian playing air guitar while getting shot at during a public event. "The usual."
There's a ranking system for how powerful guardians are? First time hearing about that, is there a lore book I can read up on to learn more about it?
It was a one off specifically about her I believe I can’t remember which video he discussed it in.
Somillion said this in a different comment:
It's a statistic term relating to normal distribution. Being five 'normal' distributions away from the center is referred to as 'five sigma'. And only one-in-3.5 million 'somethings' is 5 normal distributions away from the center of a standard bell curve.
Tbh something like this was seen first hand in warmind where Zavala shows up during the end of the dlc campaign
I think it would be a really cool story beat to have a split narrative kinda like when we had to chose between the drifter and the vanguard. Except in this instance we could have our guardian chose between the vanguard and the witness (or some other entity like Mara Sov) and either choice can change the story for the season or dlc
Give the drifter as an option again to just ditch everyone and leave in the Derelict
Spicy Ikora and her sneaky sneaks
Oh no... does it mean... Does it mean she's seen all of our chats?!
It’s about time how many times has our guardian killed beings thought to be impossible to kill after killing oryx id be suspicious as hell so yeah I can see why our guardian would be watched
I haven’t played destiny in awhile now but I loved it, the story is full of lore. I remember the og destiny app that was full of all kinds of info at the time, but I can’t remember exactly what happened when they changed it but I had not finished reading everything. This is making me want to go play again and see the new whatever there is now. Great video man you have always been great with the lore, they should make you a weapon call it the, Hey guys! Byf hear.. That be amazing lol they should though.
Still find it hilarious how Mara sov unironically thinks she has a contingency for us
it's a never-ending exotic quest, the perfect trap
@@Zevox144 yanno I read the original comment worh a smirk like yeah good luck Mara….. then I read your comment and I gotta admit you got me trapped that’s for sure
Wait, the Hidden have been following us...
Ghost, clear my browser history.
Narrative of Self is the result of a feedback loop between “Separate Self” & Cosmos}~🎈
I mean, damn. It shouldn't come as a surprise that they'd keep a close eye on one of the most powerful guardians, who have accomplished feats that no one have ever done. Yet somehow, it was.
Now personally, I don't like people talking about me behind my back, so I'll do what I can to keep up with messages from the hidden
Hey Byf, is the TSLAYP for Witch Queen coming anytime soon?
It would have been extremely odd if the Hidden didn't keep tabs on us given just our accomplishments from mere days to weeks after first waking up in the Cosmodrome and we already know that Aunor had been watching Sundance's last recordings repeatedly to try and figure out if she could trust us and if we had anything to do with Cayde's death. Whether Ikora wanted to bring us into her fold of Hidden agents, or if she wanted to keep tabs on one of the guardians in the Vanguard who is able to defeat enemies many times stronger than themselves through either sheer luck, strength of arms, or even just plain willpower, the Hidden's concerns are extremely valid regarding our Guardian and our Ghost, especially after we started experimenting around with Stasis.
Heck, if I were Ikora, I would want to know exactly where in the Cosmodrome our Ghost found us and see if we can find more Guardians of our caliber there. :D
Is there any lore on the classifications of light bearers I'd actually like to here more on that
Somillion said this in a different comment:
It's a statistic term relating to normal distribution. Being five 'normal' distributions away from the center is referred to as 'five sigma'. And only one-in-3.5 million 'somethings' is 5 normal distributions away from the center of a standard bell curve.
the last time I watched this channel I was still straight. Wow his iconic voice hasn't changed.
the best part is that Eris got her pinneaple
That first message between Chalco and Ikora. Yeah. This is why I headcanon my guardians as not THE Guardian. I’m not a Stasis user. I’ll stick to the Light, thank you very much.
Ikora is a sigma? Id believe it
Us being watched isn't surprising. The degree to which we're watched is, though. I'm surprised we aren't MORE under scrutiny. We're a hinge of every important story beat in all of Destiny, being at the dead center of more paradigm shifts than even the two primordial forces driving our story themselves.
well, I'd hope so, it's what they fucking do
Ikora and her secret police, surely nothing bad will come off of this
It's not necessarily a bad thing.
I get it, there's a necessity. But for all the times we fought to do in the darkness's plans, this seems beyond unreasonable for much like a blade we have tempered our resolve to the traveler
Idk we're also about one bad Trials match away from a psychotic break some weekends
I am not surprised that the hidden are keeping tabs on us. We are more than a little noteworthy.
If Ikora is Sigma Five what would we be as guardians I think calculating this out could be a interesting video topic maybe??
I'm thinking (ofc depending on skill) we'd be Sigma 2 or Sigma 3. The Guardian is INCREDIBLY strong, but nothing compared to what we've heard about Ikora. Nothing even close. She has abilities that are far more than what we can muster.
@@rebeccalee2155 We are canonically stronger than Ikora
I'm sure they're keeping tabs on how many times I've died doing stupid stuff, I wonder if they're making bets
I wish our guardian was more of a character. I'm not at all a fan of the silent protagonist "its an extension of you" sort of characters. I would prefer my guardian had their own thoughts and feelings about things, like Uldren becoming Crow or the Cabal alliance. I as an individual have opinions on this but I'd sure like if my guardian did too. Instead, we're just this randomly powerful not-even-a-decade-old guardian that people only talk to when a god steps out of line.
That's what Ocs are for. For instance, my warlock is probably being hunted down by the Vanguard for joining Savathûn.
@@zenora84 That's not my style. Nothing against folks who make OCs, I just haven't had an interest in doing that since I was a young boy. Bungie can make good characters, Destiny is full of them, I just don't think "The Guardian" is one of them.
I see your point, but I'd be really mad if my guardian's views and points would disagree with mine
Our ghost fills the role of personality.
@@fysy9989 I think you're probably in the majority with that one. I personally wouldn't mind too much.
The hidden agent spying on my ship like all he does is just stay in orbit…what is he doing. (Watches my ship stay in orbit for a week) Meanwhile me in the ship having decision paralysis between all the activities that are in the world.
“I’ll have to check back to see if Ikora had any romantic entanglements”
*Looks at Ikora’s hairstyle*
Oh god Byf..run! WILL IS COMING
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"Don't quote me on this."
~MyNameIsByf, 2022
Byf do you think that we the guardians can possibly be the witnesses New Disciples?
Probably. Why do you think the witness has been enticing us for the last 2 years?
If it’s an option I ain’t choosing that. Considering what that entails and the ultimate end I’m good
I do hope that isn't the end of the story. Just lame.
Your add reads are getting better everytime byf, I'm actually not skipping your adds at this point just to hear what you say
People wonder why I have trust issues about Vanguard.
The vanguard is two people
@@Ghost_Toast5000 It's lead by two people, but the Vanguard has plenty of Guardians under their command. Shiro-4 was named "Vanguard Scout" back in RoI.
Honestly I think we should be watched. Us as the player guardian are very scary we've killed more than one Hive god.. also have you seen the new 2 lies and 2 truths all about the Traveler? It's kinda spooky
This is exactly why when the chance came to choose a side back in the Forsaken Season Of The Drifter era, we sided with The Drifter instead of The Vanguard. Darkness subclasses all the way 🙌
" Ikora put a camera in your house! Give 'er a show! Transmat firing!"
Am I the only one that feels bad for our ghost? I mean he is ignoring his own needs and trauma gained from literally getting possessed by a god, and all for our benefit with nothing gained in return.
No you’re not alone. Our character is horrible to Ghost. We never ask him if he’s alright, we never try to assuage his occasional doubts about us, hel we never even so much as offer half-hearted reassurance when he outright admits he fears us.
The Guardian just wonders along like a brick with legs, not caring about anything or anyone really.
Its why I hate our character in the story. If this was an actual RPG we could actually have more input, but instead we’re stuck with a socially inept sociopath.
This is the guardian equivalent of Google saying they track the incognito tab