So What Was That Whole Killzone Series About?
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
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A Killzone retrospective.
Killzone 1 and Liberation - 00:00
Killzone 2 -12:25
Killzone 3 - 22:25
Killzone Mercenary - 31:46
Killzone Shadowfall - 35:23 - Ігри
Killzone has the most interesting lore that is never used in the Killzone games.
The fact they veiled you was playing the bad guys the whole time in the first 4 games since the psp ver. is between 1 and 2.
@@ExeErdna It was so crazy reading up on the lore and going "wait what? The Vectans did _what_ to the Helghast??? We are the baddies!?" And the games did _nothing_ with it. So damned disappointing. Call of Duty has had more nuanced plots. Guerilla was sitting on a storytelling goldmine the whole time.
@@damsen978 Can't be a plot twist when it's not in the plot. Read up on the lore and see how much of that can be found in the actual games.
@@K__a__M__I That's what i mean, a plot twist in the lore.
Killzone lore: the ISA are imperialists
Killzone games: but it's ok because every helghast ever is a psychopath
Killzone always looked like those fake games people play in movies
It still does
Never thought of that before but that's so accurate
It SOUNDS like that too. Didn't they mention a fictional Killzone game in Die Hard 4 or something?
"Dude are you playing Murder Destroy Warfare right now!? We have our SATs tomorrow!"
It actually was the game played in movies at a few points. In House of Cards Kevin Spacey plays Killzone 3 in an early episode.
The AI in killzone 2 was insane. I remember i got my ass beat by a helghast that got OUT of his scripted role to come to the cargo elevator i was descending on at ISA hq, he fucking jumped down 3 meters from the fence as i was trying to shoot him to stop him, made a tactical roll landing and ended up on my face to instantly knock me out with his rifle stock on my face.
Then he proceeded to humiliate me on my dying screen...
I never shot at his raid squad during that part ever again.
The AI was so good in that game. They'd also be more aggressive if you backed off, provide cover fire for advancing allies, and throw grenades if you were camping.
@@GangsterFrankensteinComputer let's get that AI level as a standard. Get the children to harden the fuck up and start thinking in strategy. Planning.
Yeah
I always prefered 2 over 3
BRUH YES
On my gameplay yesterday, I was in a room, and there was an open door, leading to the open, and there in the open was one of those faster helghasts. So I changed to my revolver since I was out of ammo, and I shot like 3 or 4 times at close range, but the fucker just kinda tricked me dodging left to right and shooting my ass, not only that but when I retreated to take cover and reload HE JUST FUCKING FOLLOWED ME BERSERK MODE AND MELEED THE SHIT OUT OF ME taking advantage of my low health. Never got my ass so beat by a fucking bot like that b4 lol
Killzone was the last first person shooter that me and my dad played together so it will forever have a very special place in my heart. The co-op campaign was incredible and the super badass multiplayer with bots that we could fight, it was perfect game at the time to play together. Miss that guy a lot. Cancer sucks
I'm sorry for your loss, but happy you have that memory of him to look back on.
@@1pikman thank you man! I had buddies who unfortunately never had and or lost theirs very early, so it helped me with a perspective to be thankful of what I had.
❤❤❤❤❤
Cancer does very much suck, but you know what doesn't tho? Being able to look back on your memories with him with fondness and gratitude. Sounds like you had a great relationship with him and that'll never change no matter what. Happy for you my man, may good fortune continue to come to you and your loved ones 🤟
My dad passed away very recently and I came to this video just to replay memories of playing this game with him:/
"Even a monkey will write Shakespeare given enough time"
"What the fuck is a Shakespeare" That made me laugh
Rico in 1 had a certain charm
@@J.Wolf90 Are you serious
@@mothhh2114 Cancel culture will eventually throw even you under the bus if you don't draw the line.
Thats because Sev doesnt read book, he preaches being up close and finette for kills. So wtf is ... a shakespear but a shake spear ... Lofl ionno bra killzone was good times huh.
@@MrTredBear wtf is cancel culture
Killzone, to me, has always felt like an artist came up with really cool concept art that the writers didn't know what to do with.
I can probably write something better than this superficial lore and stories.
@@hamza-trabelsi then do it. we are waiting. take your time
@@hamza-trabelsi it had an incredible premise up until 3, then it kinda just uh became space cod
@@perseastheodoropoulos7367 the game is already done what's the point of writing a story for it ?
@@hamza-trabelsi said no fanfic writer ever
If you look into the lore of Killzone they do have a reason for the Helghast suddenly getting those crazy weapons. The Stahl Arms corporation had been holding its best equipment back because Jorhan Stahl wanted more political power and Visari wasn’t giving it to him, but with Visari dead he began dealing out his weapons to the generals in the war council in hopes of getting the power he wanted and sure enough he got it. he was the complete opposite of Reddac, disloyal, ambitious, and absolutely drunk on his own power
Thank you for mentioning this, thats all i could think of everytime he complained about it being too sci-fi
I get it, its not for everyone.
But the games straight up gives you this knowledge.
Glad I wasn't the only one paying attention.
Though in hindsight, he may have avoided this part to avoid giving out too many spoilers for those who haven't played it.
@@flandyc4513 maybe but the games have been out for quite some time, those who were going to play them have likely played them already
@@djphat94 Yeah I also thought it was a little strange.
I have seen one commenter further down saying they picked up KZ2 specifically cause of this video but, it's highly probable that's a niche.
Unless they remaster them at some point, which doesn't seem to be a thing anytime soon, if at all.
@@flandyc4513 god I wish they would tho!
Killzone 2 is a grand experience that still holds up today. Technical masterpiece.
It still looks like you are playing a cutscene, I remember the first time I seen gameplay of it, it was at a videogame store called Play N Trade and they were playing it on a flat screen I could not believe how the graphic looked.
agree
Technically it's a good game. Creatively it's about as unique as a match-3 game lol.
(IN 3D)
Loved the multiplayer. Can't remember a single thing about the campaign though
Wow, seeing how good Killzone 2 still looks is astonishing. Even after the massive “downgrades” they still produced something that rivals games made even 5 years later.
There were never any "downgrades", because the original trailer literally wasn't actually footage of the game. It was a cinematic made to LOOK like gameplay, but in actuality is was basically just a glorified cutscene meant to trick people.
I think it looks brown and poorly looking
@@Dev-nr4dw man you're all drunk, Killzone 3 looks way better than 2 and they've always been generic looking shooters. Killzone 2 looking good??? On PS4 with the HD remaster it might look decent enough, on the PS3 its terrible.
Evidence First · 12 Years Ago it wasn’t made to trick people. They sent it to Sony before a lot of development to show what they hoped the game would look like. Sony then released it as a “gameplay trailer.”
@@HOTD108_ Yeah, that's why i put "downgrades" in quotation marks. Even despite the pre-rendered bullshot the game looks positively amazing, and in many ways better than that original trailer.
"This is like if Britian blew up Germany and gave Scotland to the Nazis"
Love it
More like australia
Ehhhh nah he skipped over that vekta was originally the helghast homeworld and the ISA invaded and kicked them to helghan. Killzone 1 is literally the helghast trying to take back their planet.
@@SSpider41 half true they used to live on Vekta with the Vakten(?).
@@derkurier2710 Nope. Vekta was founded along side helgan. Vekta was named after the CEO of the Helgan company. Philip Vekta. The first people to move to that planet were of the Helgan mining company who eventually became the helgan empire. Prior to anyone colonizing the planet the Helgan company won the bid for both planets and therefore owned them.
Bruh I ain't watching a hour of killzone lore
edit: so I just watched an hour of killzone lore
So how did it go ?
Killzone sections without allies made me feel isolated and fearful really, the sensation that healghast were at every room/corner used to trick me a Lot, playing Halo made me feel more like a supersoldier
I mean, in Killzone you are just a soldier. In Halo Master Chief is the best of the genetically modified super soldiers so it makes sense that you feel that way.
“Helghast” might be the most evil name for a civilization i’ve ever heard
Yeah I loved the space-nazi concept, I remember playing Killzone 3 beta for hours a day as a little kid. It was amazing
we have one already, u.s.a
@@ciphergamingsouthafrica8502 Not anymore, Russia just flew back up too space as well as China
I mean, they live on Helghan...wouldn't they be called Helghani's?
@@ciphergamingsouthafrica8502 This
"Helgan belongs to the Helghast."
I wonder if he actually thought the ISA wanted to take over Helgan seeing as how they already had the grand prize Vekta
Skyrim belongs to the nords
Halo belongs to Bungie
Scholar Visari is smiling at me Vektan, can you say the same?
You belong in a museum
Shadowfall: "So, the ISA took in all the refuges from the planet they destroyed when they won the war."
Me: "Sure, makes sense."
Shadowfall: "Including their soldiers."
Me: "Yeah, sure. I mean, when they have surrendered..."
Shadowfall: "And they get half the planet."
Me: "Hm... ok. Seems a bit excessive, but the ISA took their entire planet, I guess."
Shadowfall: "And the forced resetteling of the humans living on Helghast side won't be completted before the planet gets split up."
Me: "Ahm... really?"
Shadowfall: "And the Helghast get to rule over their side autonomously."
Me: "Hang on!"
Shadowfall: "And they get to keep all their military equipment and technology."
Me: "STOP!"
Going so far as to make their planet uninhabitable the only sane option is to go all out until there's no one left to get revenge
Yeah the whole set up to me kinda implies the helghast had a super weapon pointed at the isa head during the negotiations
The only thing I can think of is the lack of desire of the Vectan government to put at any real effort or resources to integrate the two. If the Helghast can keep their military forces and form their government and stay on their side, then less problems for the Vektans. With the outcomes of both the first and second extrasolar wars, they must have given up trying to make true peace with the Helghast.
I mean the Isa planet was originaly the helghasts planet before they stole it from them lore wise the Isa are the bad guys
STAPH !!
I'll tell you as someone who played Killzone when it first came out. The facial models especially during the character select screen were the most realistic graphics I had seen at that time.
It was very impressive , happy to have my copy still working.
The Enemy design was the cool thing in these games. The Helghast even had Mechas. They easily could have continued the Series by making you play as a Helghast Revolutionary.
I also love the space Nazi anehestics too
@@deathtrooper199 Why do the bad guys get cool looking uniforms/outfits and designs? Lol
Being a Helghan Revolutionary planting bombs and causing terror among the ISA would be dope.
@@rejectedkermit1220 Well, the Helgast are technically the good guys in this universe
@@stardude289 I know, but from the game's perspective the Helghast are the "bad guys"
Kids nowadays will never know the joy that could come from a game manual
I wish my generation had that luxury, I still remember reading about the left 4 dead cast in the manual and thinking it was cool leaning about the characters
I want stuff like that now
I always loved reading the manuals on the way home from the game store. Sometimes I would take one out with me for reading material and would actually learn a thing or two about the game, like what certain UI icons meant that aren't explained in-game. Good times.
Halo weapon specs were my favorite. Reading about vehicles and stuff and looking at the pictures was like nibbling down the cherry after a super satisfying desert after an even more satisfying 3 course meal.
Now u just download a game it on steam and wiki the info you need or youtube a tutorial. Im absolutely bappy about how convenient it is because i remember when things were so limited. But sad knowing im the last generation of gamer to appreciate those things.
But we move on.
@@ssc4649 Old Blizzard games manuals where basically mini novels that got you in the the games world.
Killzone 2 was one of the best-looking games I'd ever seen up to that point, and all these years later it's still pretty impressive.
I remember waiting for killzone 2 to be launched here. And then realized. "Wait, i don't have a PS3" and never were able to play killzone 2...
It also had some of the most intelligent AI in any game at that time. Like, it's scary how dirty and cleverly the AI will play sometimes just to try and kill you.
@@snazzyjovialwyrm3314 Hell, I remember some bullshit flanking maneuvers that surprised me in the first game even.
I remember buying into all the “Halo killer” hype when this was first coming out. And while it definitely didnt outclass halo, i f-ing loved this game and REALLY appreciated the entire set up.
Now that ive been fully reminded of everything i loved about this game i now would like to request a remaster or remake.
Just remember: Calling a game a [blank] killer is a dumb phrase that gaming news outlets game up with.
No developer would ever label their game a “[blank]” killer
Tribes 2 anyone
I would like something like that too, I got invested in the franchise too late so I want a second chance we it.
@@BrandonHilikus haloe killer？
I much prefer KZ to Halo
They release a new KZ I’ll buy a PS5
In a documentary over Horizon: Zero Dawn, a member of Guerilla Games states that the story was never written in-house. They outsourced that to a separate team of writers every time, and I think it really shows.
If it’s true that they’re working on another Killzone, I hope it’s a reboot w/a dedicated writing team like HZD.
Main writer of Horizon was former Fallout New Vegas writer, i believe
Isn't the twist at the end of Horizon
That a bunch of literal dude bro scientist caused the end of the world?
MrZurata no, 1 dude bro scientist started the apocalypse and then later he betrayed all the good scientists to cover it up.
DacAttack2142 I would say Ted Faro is more of an evil, impatient Elon Musk while the guy that wrote HADES was definitely a dude-bro.
@@DraphEnjoyer Yeah the story of HZD was pretty shitty tbh.
First putting the world and after that writing a half-assed story isnt qorking so often .
Despite being the epitome of the mid-2000’s gray washed out trend I do still appreciate some of the heavy grunge and industrial aesthetics of the game, everything’s dirty and bombed out, it’s kind of like the Terminator video game we never got.
It’s also why I am weirded out by the design of Shadow Fall, it doesn’t gel with the rest of the series and looks more akin to a Mirrors Edge Catalyst more than anything.
Terminator Resistance is genuinely the closest I think we'll ever get. Decent game tbf.
The new terminator game does have that look
Playing through the teracite ruins on shadow fall gave me the same exact feeling, actually enhanced the experience quite a bit, which before that had been a bit of a forced stealth slog, but with that thought in mind I actually had a shitload of fun sneaking through the ruins avoiding the combat drones and other robots
If you like that style and into older games, I suggest you try C-12 : Final Resistance on PS1.
It's a shame there's no mention of how amazing Killzone 2's online multiplayer was.
KZ 2 MP was awesome
It was so great! I think about it occasionally
@@AC-hj9tv Ditto. I find myself getting way too excited and nostalgic describing it to people.
@@mazack00 really wish we could get it on pc
@@AC-hj9tv it wouldn't feel the same. Being forced to use controllers with the same sensitivity settings was a real balancer.
Ok, so one cool idea for KZ 3 and Shadowfall I came up with while watching this would have been if, in 3, it maintained its gritty and grounded tone, with the nuking of Helghan being actually an accident, with the characters not knowing/caring for the superweapon, just them actually trying to leave and maybe they shoot down a fighter which crashes into the superweapon or some other cheesy stuff, nuking Helghan.
After that, Vekta actually takes in the Helghast refugees, and tries to integrate them into Vektan society (so no goofy partition), except both in the government and general populace there is a lot of mistrust and discrimination against the Helghast, who would still probably live in tangibly worse conditions on average compared to most Vektans. There could be a lot of urban guerrilla warfare between the two sides, the Helghast, angered by the nuking of their homeworld and discrimination they face on Vekta, radicalised by their miserable conditions, and the Vektans being exceptionally distrustful of the Helghast, with anti-Helghast militias being more or less covertly supported by the Vektan government. This would add some grey to it, with the Helghast adopting some sort of Post-Helghast-ism, or either way a reformed ideology that cherished the virtues and rights of Visari’s regime, while diminishing or condemning its crimes, be it out of genuine desire to change, or as a way to mask a will to return to that ultranationalist, revanchist totalitarianism. Furthermore, taking place decades into the future compared to 3, it would -as you said- justify the more bright and overtly sci-fi elements. And it would have fairly modest objectives, for example the player could be a soldier/policeman in the ISA (maybe in a squad with some Helghast or Mixed-heritage people thrown in as well) who has the fairly simple and modest objective of keeping the peace, by countering guerrilla activity, nominally by both Helghast and Vektan extremists, though the orders you get would certainly have a bias against the Helghast, with you maybe taking part in some “questionable” actions.
I has more fun reading this than playing shadowfall tbh lol
That would have been cool
The snow in Killzone 3, I love how they made the snow affecting your vision so much, being everywhere and strong, not just like a skin for a map.
^this. In most games weather effects are just an overlay on screen instead of effecting the environment! Killzone 3 has some of the best snow I've ever seen in games
@@leonc9760 MGS4
@@leonc9760 I wish I could have experienced it in that 3d effect the game was pushed along side the sony 3d gaming tv
@@suri_exe8117 imma about to give a negative feedback, but realized that mgs4 is still a playstation exclusive, so I let you go
@@imnotaracistokay I was mostly talking about the snow, not the game in general. If you wanna shit on the game go for it lol
So far you talked about Jak & Daxter, Ratchet & Clank, Killzone, DmC, and Revengeance. Don't stop until you made videos on every franchise featured in Playstation All-Stars.
*I await your Fat Princess retrospective, Charlie.*
2021 Sly Cooper retrospective or I eat my hat
Make Fat Princess to TGB as Sly Cooper is to B-mask
Fat Princess was one of the funnest multiplayer games I’ve played honestly, they need to make a true sequel
@@Kriss_ch. His other half already made a Sly Cooper retrospective. His name is B-Mask.
I kinda want Infamous tbh.
Just read that in its lore, apparently the ISA enacted an incredibly unfair trade deal that basically screwed over the Helghast into a great depression, then Scolar Visari had them rise up to basically fight back against this... then we play as the ISA... who push the "bad guys" back in the ground. I remember loving Killzone 2 back in the day, but now I feel like the ISA were the bad guys all along. Am I wrong?
Yes your wrong
@@quatreraberbawinner2628he’s not wrong but he’s not right the ISA did fuck up the Helghast and sent them off of their home-world to a cancer planet but the Helghast also did some fucked up shit after that,the Killzone lore is literally both sides are evil in their own right,The Helghast fight because they were sent off to die by plague and famine and the Isa fight because all they know is that the Helghast are going to murder everyone on your home-world and they do not care for civilians both are evil and unless you read into it you automatically believe the Isa like a Isa grunt but if you read the lore you will see that both are not good
Not even a little. Hail Visari!
Every shots and firefights in Kill zone 2 feels like a damn cutscenes where you can control it freely
Funny how in the end, all the "Halo Killers" had to do, was wait for Halo to kill itself.
I dunno if you can quite describe it as killed.
20 years, 9 games and only one had a legitimately poor campaign.
James Neave while thats true, its reputation has gone down significantly since about 2013 or whenever 343 took over
@@MostlyPennyCat Halo not as good as it used to be though, 343 kinda dragged it through the mud, 4 was okay if you liked call of duty, 5 followed EAs mentality that nobody liked solo player anymore and produced a shit campaign and I got no expectations for infinite because with how 343 just remastered reach to have the new stupid ass system that forces players to play multiplayer to level up that shows that they aren't doing the series justice
I replayed 4 recently.
4 should have been an X1 launch title.
It's problem was the 360 was too much a limiting factor.
I genuinely like the campaign, minus the boring AI, but that's a hardware limit.
Yes there was a style change, I didn't love it, didn't hate it.
I love Halo Wars 1 & 2.
Spartan Ops was a _fantastic_ idea badly implemented (boring levels)
5. 5 was just, ugh, yuck, no.
Nonono.
Infinite should have targeted the next generation.
But infinite looks _gorgeous_
Original halo art style with a pbr engine and hub and spoke level design.
Yes please, yes please very much.
And halo wars 3.
And some other spin offs, like bungie did with odst.
I just don't understand why they stopped doing stuff in this way. Side projects, movies, books, RTS games.
Offload all that stuff, separate MP from SP into MCC, have 343 focus on engine design and main story campaign.
_how is this so difficult to figure out???_
I think it's far from killed.
But there opportunity is still there.
They need to change the focus.
Individual components do not need to be profitable and million copy sellers.
Like Netflix and HBO, get some good products, take risks to find them, get people subscribed to game pass.
This is the business model now.
It _could, should_ be glorious.
@@erikgardner4777 I like both call of duty and halo, halo first, neither of them felt anything like cod, I feel like using that Insult is just lazy and bandwagoning because it isn't a pure halo experience from the originals
RIP Killzone. The website died recently and it looks like we will never get another game.
I really wanted a killzone game where we could play as a Helgahst soldier to see the other side of the conflict
Same ;_;
Said every single Killzone player ever.
@@RonJeremy514 Indeed.
I love the fact that Helgahast are justified in there hate for the other side but they let that hate consume them so totally they... go over the top shale we say
That'd be hard to do, because of the heavy Nazi themes. Being able to play as futuristic Nazi's then go kill people doesn't look good.
Killzone 2&3 multiplayer will always have a special place in my heart
It's an experience I'll likely never get again
Thx for mentioning Killzone Mercenary! I’ve had a vita for a while, but barely used it until now. I’ve never played any other Killzone, but I’ve been hooked to this game and think it’s really underrated.
I bought another vita since I lost mine years ago and still enjoy playing kill one mercenary. I think there’s still multiplayer servers active
KZ mercenary was so my jam. Love the online play and the campaign.
Amazing how Shadow Fall's way to make your character want to put an end to Helghan genocide was to *make him simp for a Helghan girl*
They had a real chance to show how much the lines were blurred between the helghast and the vsa, but no.
But we have to appreciate, she was t h i c c.
Blaukraut ohne Knödel she looked p skinny bro ngl
@@Etzelsschizo What was the character's name? I can't remember her
@@ironduke5058 Maya Visari
Hopefully we'll get a video about the Resistance games.
Brit made a video on 3 which he liked but he doesn't like the first 2.
@@Gus1494 Cool. I'll check that out.
I wanna see him do a video On the dark souls games
I couldn't play those. the fov gave me headaches and nausea. a shame because i hear insomniac did a good job with those games.
Loved the entire series despite each game being very different from one another.
2's my favorite despite 3 having the best mechanics.
Honestly I feel like the biggest obstacle that impeded the first Killzone's potential being fully realized was, other than the technical limitations of the console it was designed for, it was pushed into this role of being "the Halo killer." When game journalists invented the concept of "the game that would arrive and dethrone Halo as the king of the FPS genre" they did a great disservice to writers, artists, and developers because they had now artificially altered how the public would react to these games. There was so much hype and expectation to be a Halo killer that it prevented some of these games from just being what they were intended to.
The devs called their games this internally, too. CoD MW comes to mind.
I miss game manuals. In the early 2000s they kinda died out due to digital alternative.
Metal Gear Solids PS manual was the most interesting book I saw from a game. It had hidden things and even a codec number tou needed for later in the game. So if you dodnt read it or look at the case at all you will miss out on story and gameplay. It was brilliant.
True but the Colonol did have our backs if we were too stupid for that lol. That was about the only time Campbell didn't do us dirty.
Although, I don't remember her codec being in the manual. I remember it on the back of the CD case.
I feel like the only reason ShadowFall and Second Son exist was that Sony needed strong first party launches to showcase the power of the PS4.
This guy gets it.
Yeah. I was really dissapointed with Second Son, being a fan of the franchise...
@@0uttaS1TE as much as I loved the good ending in InFamous 2, I would of loved to see Cole again. And see how SuckerPunch would write him as the main bad guy.
@@0uttaS1TE Dunno man,InFanmous 2 showed that their writing staff REALLY couldnt handle even the comparatively small differences between the two endings of 1,cant even imagine how they would have fucked up a third entry(that isnt just a tech-demo with a completely half assed and negligible story...oh hey thar Second Son).
@@0uttaS1TE There was a pretty big difference in the form of how the narrative handled Cole´s relationship with Zeke which the second game then just handwaves away DESPITE being such a comparetatively small part.
I absolutely cant see them handle the vastly different endings of 2 if they couldnt even be arsed to handle that detail.
It's nice seeing some actual attention being given to Killzone 2. It's a game I've played many times before but I've never seen it talked about. I always came back to it for its brutal and gritty aesthetic and it's definitely something it nailed where other shooters that tried failed.
One thing it did I find interesting is design the game to be played without a HUD. There's an option to turn it off and I've played it many times that way and got way more immersed in it. Health is determined by color of the screen (something that wasn't as common back then) and the guns make a different sound when firing them on low ammo, so you are aware when you're about to run dry. Just a neat little thing I don't recall being done in other shooters
Another game that I love without hud are the first two metro games. So fun and the game has a lot of physical stuff to keep track of things instead of hud
Killzone 2 was some of my favorite Multiplayer at the time as well. Really loved how much the classes impacted gameplay while having a "realistic" and gritty feel to it.
2° best multiplayer I ever played in the PS3
Warhammer 40k Space marine does a similar thing with the guns. The game is very hectic and switches between melee and ranged at the drop of a hat. So guns sound different when almost empty so you don't have to look down at your ammo bar.
If anyone is still confused by the franchise's story and premise. It's basically one huge dick-tugging competition of genocide and war crimes with a very anti-war rhetoric to it. Nobody is the good guy in Killzone. The ISA are just a bunch of missfit mercenaries who act as pawns for Earth and the New Vektan government with the sole purpose of keeping the Helghast in check, even if it means resorting to genocide to do so(of which they do in Killzone 3 and Shadowfall). The Helghast, while ultimately the victims in the grand scheme of things, opted to becoming a harsh, violent fascist super power with the sole intention of taking back Vekta from their enemies. None of them sound good by any means.
37:00 to be fair I kinda interpreted that has more of a punishment against Vekta than a win for the Helghans. The start of Killzone Two shows that the central government on Earth forbade Vekta and the ISA from invading Helghan, insisting on a blockade instead. But ISA went YOLO, which ended up in what was basically a mass murder of a billion Helghans, mainly civilians. So I think Earth's government was like "ok, you fucked up. Now you must be punished" and that's why half the planet was given to the Helghan. But refugees also went to other planets, as it is shown in the in game lore about another colony's political situation
"I'm buying a Wii u to escape brown and grey shooters"
Is now my new favourite phrase
I actually did that at the time. Had to get back to Nintendo after getting bored of the call of duty and GTA clones.
As a POC i can't believe he would say something like that
@@Maestro-gh2ei As a gray person, I'm offended.
@@Maestro-gh2ei why? Are you saying that people of color don't like color?
@@jamainegardner4193 was a joke
"When you defeat Radec..." You mean "IF you defeat Radec"
"You seem to want this to be personal. It will be my pleasure."
You never defeat Radec. He denies you victory by taking matters into his own hands. ;)
(that even assumes it's the REAL Radec, as there's support in the narrative that it may be an imposter, though KZ3 and SF threw much of the story out the window to do their own thing so they never followed up on this)
I spent two weeks with my dad defeating the final boss on medium difficulty
@@amiiru2251 I believe it. I know people who spent weeks not being able to pass the rocket launcher corridor section on the hard difficulty, or the ATAC fight without using the rocket launcher cheese on the hardest difficulty.
@@davekaye5483 dude killzone 2 is the best and most graphically realistic and enjoyable game. I got it with my ps3 slim when I was six, I didn't have that much fun before (I am an introvert). Me and my dad used to take turns, it was a blast. Now he passed away, and I got my hands on killzone 3, I'd always imagine me and him taking turns.. I am really happy that this game has a big community that's still going.
Would love to go back in time and relive my Killzone 2 experience. Easily one of my favorite games I used to play.
Look at Killzone 2 and tell me it doesn't still look amazing 15 years later in 2024.
Killzone 2 is what you get when you have hard working, passionate, and talented people at the top of their field working to make a fun video game.
Killzone Mercenary is a legitimately fantastic handheld shooter. So underrated
yup, still the best handheld shooter i played, and honestly one of the better shooters ever released. the amount of replayability of each mission due to vanguards and weapons was crazy. also the multiplayer was legitimately good and they even released bots through the botzome dlc later, so you could always go back to play it
I don't think it's underrated at all. It's only serious problem was the unpopular platform.
I’m glad someone out here appreciates big man Boris for the legendary lad he is.
Indeed. It sparks much joy.
Indeed. I wish they made remastered version and for pc as well. In fact put all Killzone games to PC like they are doing it now with Halo. That might restart the interest for the franchise.
Man i wish i played that game, Boris sounds like my favorite kind of character
@@CliffuckingBooth They brought horizon to pc. I think Killzone would be a good choice for the pc as well. If they do it I hope they include the multiplayer .
Yellow as piss
In kz2 i remember clearly in one mission before you storm visari and radec. Three helgast soldiers, three normal dudes gave me the hardest fight in the entire game. One chucked grenades, the other two shot in intervals. When one reloads the other shoots. Unlike other opponents where id humiliate their corpses, these 3 guys fought so well they had my utter respect, i did not humiliate them, i sat there after killing them, giving them a moment of respectful silence. I wish i couldve gave them a propper burial
Killzone has the best artstyle of any game. I love the Helghasts, they are soo badass looking
12:11 "In the words of pop culture´s most famous black gas mask wearing space totalitarian, `this is where the fun begins´ "
Nice touch.
Mauler never said that
@@raddarat8471 Ah, a fellow member of the Toxic Brood
Didn't understood the reference 😔
Sorry, I had EFAP on the brain.
They where referring to Darth Vader.
My bad.
@@scoutwaffle6125 Kid Anakin
"Grey conflicts" in pop media boil down to two things.
1. The bad guys are actually good
2. BOTH SIDES
Well yeah...how else would you depict a grey conflict?
Jotaro97 I haven’t watched it but the vibe I got was that “sometimes one-man dictatorship/absolute monarchy is more effective that flawed democracy in war”
@@efrenyalung1348 thats pretty close
When I said both sides I meant both sides being bad.
@@themagalanium9491
Good "Grey Conflicts" that aren't trying to be grey for edginesses sake, as mentioned above, usually aren't as concerned with making a statement on who's right or wrong (which kind of defeats the purpose in my eyes) as much as they are exploring the how and why of people choosing to believe what they believe in relation to a larger world.
This is hands down one of the best written gaming essay videos I have ever seen on UA-cam. Well done!
I never really got into the FPS genre, but I loved Killzone 2, especially the multiplayer. I loved the deliberate nature of the combat. Taking your time and thinking actually paid off. That's the same reason I loved the multiplayer in The Last of Us.
UA-cam’s getting real comfortable with these double ads 👀
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@@giehlemanns yet I still have not played it
I hate it.
I’m so fucking fed up with it.
Too comfortable....
Man i've been desperate to play Killzone 2 again lately. This video hits deep
Dude i would love to play this shit outta it again too
I wish emulation would come along to pick up the third console generation already!
They still haven't gotten good Xbox Original emulation either though
Always enjoy your vids bro, hope things are going well.
Theyre all on playstation now if you get a subscription
Killzone 2 multiplayer was awesome. It needs a modern remaster. For PC lol
I wonder it can play lan on PS3...
Do like i did... I bought a used PS3 cheap and bought both killzones
Man Im a huge fan of your videos. Really fantastic work and super articulated points.
Well done, man! Excellent work, and some original observations. I think we were lucky to grow up through the evolution of gaming during the 2000s, even if the decade otherwise was rubbish.
Freaking Killzone 2 man. Needs a Remaster
The whole series
I would love a Killzone Trilogy Remaster for PS5.
I would love it even more if they did a remake of Killzone 1 with the intense grit of Killzone 2. to come along with it.
It needs a remake these games are shit.
would like it on PC since Kz2 had no aim assist anyways.
Man, Killzone 2 was the game of my childhood. Even when I replayed it, I still enjoyed it so much.
Just seeing the familiar sights of Corynthe River, the living blocks, and those sweet-sweet guns (Sta-52 is still the best) brings so many memories of playing it with my dad.
Great game.
Killzone 2 LOOKS BETTER than that fake video for sure, it's honestly one of the best lookers on the PS3, I'm sad it lost itself honestly, it was such a unique game.
Killzone 3 really does foreshadow the enemy designs they would come up with in Horizon.
Killzone 2 is still one of my favourite FPS games of all time. It was like playing a cinematic it looked so good.
I've been saying "Space Nazis" as a joke to describe the Helghan for years now.
But there's something magical about it being in writing.
there's actual good conversation between these ideologies, which modern games lack. this creates purpose(maybe I created it myself through these discussin ingame), i dont feel similar purpose in many more modern games.
@Cody Sonnet your name is cody dude spend some time off the Internet its rotting your 13 year old brain
@Cody Sonnet cringe
@Cody Sonnet A Nazi apologist and anti-mask advocate. LOL
@Cody Sonnet Germany was attacked? Are you referencing when Germany killed a bunch of convicts, and then dressed them in Polish uniforms as a false flag attack to try justifying the invasion of Poland? Because that's what it was, Nazi propaganda.
I've always really liked Radec, nice to see someone giving him due praise.
His characterization in his cutscenes from Playstation All Stars is excellent too.
Speaking of PlayStation AllStars, I always found it a bit funny how Radec, who's supposed to be super devoted to Helghan, just sort of dips in the middle of a full-scale invasion to go fight Sir Daniel and shit.
Soldier: Colonel Radec! The enemy is at our gates! What shall we do, sir?!
*realizes he's not there.*
"Sir?"
He soon finds a note, which reads...
"Yo, there's this giant purple head somewhere that might or might not be a threat to us. I'm gonna go check it out. BRB."
Sony were is PlayStation All-Stars 2,its 2020.
@@vash_the_stampede6570 0:34 What is that from?
Sean Pertwee is a fantastic actor and really brought the character to life. I have no idea why he isn't being cast in more stuff. Dude's like a walking Oscar performance and yet he keeps getting stuck in awful straight-to-DVD flicks. While I'm happy to see he got some exposure in Gotham as Alfred Pennyworth, the guy really deserves much better. Why he isn't in Marvel movies or something of a Star Wars-level caliber I have no idea.
@@thevideogamehunger0134 sly Cooper
Shadowfall could have easily fixed a lot of issues by having the integration happen, but have Helghast remnants be the bad guys who want to restore the old ways. The guerilla warfare of the 1st game is now flipped. The world could be setup to still have slums for Helghast who had extreme difficulty integrating or refusal to do so, while also presenting criticisms of free market society. You can still pit ISA against Helghast, but frame it as extremists who refuse to see an option for peace or are severely undercut by the change in society. You could also have had levels that show the stark differences of lifestyle and drawing that inspiration from East vs West germany circa 1970s, but in space.
I think only Gears 2 and Killzone 2 were basically the only real tough and gritty multiplayer games I played at the time where simple wrong moves were unforgiving. So much fun though.
Killzone as a series is something that, as soon as it leaves my sight, I completely forget about it
Yea lol
Such a great way to put it. I loved playing them but I cannot remember the story for the life of me.
@@mikedrop4421 All I remember badass gasmask men and hating the ISA
Thank god for horizon though
you know it's funny scrolling down the comments....I can FEEL it slipping out of my mind.
Killzone. Another victim of the third game being in an ice world aka "Ice Guys Finish Last" approach
I don't think kz3 killed the series, I think shadow fall did. But if anything, I know your referring to dead space as well.
I tip my hat at that Dead Space 3 reference good sir
Every time someone mentions Dead Space 3, I think fondly of the atmospheric space part that lets you fly from ship to ship, or the ice cold plains reminiscent of The Thing. I think to myself that I could give it a second chance. Then I remember the first 30 minutes where Isaac kills 50 drivers to cross the road in between cover-shooting cultist commandos and think "nah, I'm good".
Lost Planet 3 and Dead Space 3 come to mind
Or post-apoc style aka Gears of war 3
Killzone is when trailer looks like low graphic settings game
And the actual game looks like a cinematic trailer
I always liked the idea of the killzone games. I never played 2 but watching your gameplay of it looks like more fun than I’ve had in a while. Shadow fall I’ll admit I only had so much fun was because that beginning smg/sniper thing was so cool and I had a lot of fun using that gun.
Moral of the story is" Don't follow a craze, be your thing"
And i too miss rough, grey look of the games from 2000-2010.
I don't at all, I dislike(and disliked) that look just fine without any pretentions towards enlightenment as brit mentions in the video , lol. But I completely agree with the moral. A trailer for a wacky colorful shooter now is just as annoying to me as the trailer for a new brown mid-2000s cover shooter was back then, even though I prefer something lighter in that style. You can't exactly dictate marketplace variety, but it would be nice if the pendulum didn't swing the same way for so many studios at once.
I much prefer the current trend of retro boomer shooters (Dusk, AmidEvil, Ion Maiden, etc) to the mid-2000s shooters, simply because they’re less restrictive and more kinetic in terms of their gameplay mechanics.
@@Kriss_ch. Saved me the trouble of typing out this comment myself. Thank you.
Sony really missed the oportunity to remaster Killzone 2 and 3 this generation.
I’m hoping for a pc port like Horizon. Unfortunate Horizon needed two more months of optimising. But that is cutting it close to the release of PS5
@@eliarevalo I don't believe in a PC port unless they remaster them for ps5 first.
@@Gr4yF0x when ur a fanboy who wants no one else to play with HIS toys
@@KaoticVibes wtf dude.
@@trin__3967 as many ppl play it, the better. I don't want it to be exclusive. I just said that Killzone 2 is not a game with great chances of getting a PC port. They ignored it even on ps4. Just that.
I loved playing killzone 2 when I was younger. I really do think the helgan armor looks quite cool. It reminds me of the Death Korps of Krieg (see pfp for example).
i miss manuals in games, such a cool piece of artwork from the golden age of videogames
I really want a killzone 2 pc port now :(
halloooo
I guess use emulator
Yes please..
Guerrilla please
I remember when i got killzone 2 "new" at gamestop back in 2009. The game wasn't even sealed like wtf, how did they sell me the game $60 new if it's open. They just put the disc inside the box and sold it to me like that for $60. I was young so tbh I didn't really care. F gamestop tho.
"Space Nazis" is a suprisingly uncrowded niche considering Star Wars exists.
Star Wars is barely that
I don’t think it’s as overt as kill zone. Most of the time you’re not thinking that at all
2016's Call of Duty Infinite Warfare pretty much had the enemy faction, the SDF, be space Nazis. It was basically WW2 in space.
Star Wars doesn't have any NS imagery other than Darth Vader being inspired by Black Sun wizards.
If you want real Space Nazis watch the original Gundam 0079.
I remember seeing the opening cutscene of killzone, and thinking one day games will be able to look like this . We have surpassed the graphics so quickly! Incredible!
For an hour long video you presented this brilliantly and well scripted and to the point. Well done. You have a new sub :)
“This is like Britain blew up Germany and gave Scotland to the nazis” 😂😂😂 dude quality content
Cheers to that guy who bought WiiU because shooters looked too gray.
Pretty much why I bought a wii
I bought mine for bayo 2 and BOTW, imagine my shock when both got ported to switch
atleast i can play gamecube games
I did this
I bought Dreamcast for that reason but haven't really played it.
I mean I can't say I regret it lmao
Xenoblade Chronicles X more than makes up for things
ok. this video is a masterpiece. thank u for making it :).
Damn, nice video. A really nice indepth look at the series.
I loved running up to people and poking their eyes out in Killzone 3's multiplayer. KZ3 was loads of fun for me
KZ3 multiplayer was so much fun
Fucking love KZ3
yea i didnt understand the story or anything, just pure fun gameplay.
( Boops you in the eye *H A R D* )
I think shadowfall could've maybe worked if they made it about a civil war trying to topple the Helghast regime, and the ISA was STILL trying to commit Helghast genocide. That way you can still shoot some Helghast and have the morally grey theme be less stupid. And then if the regime is toppled, the ISA can be the big bad in later games, since they've kinda always been dicks, and now you dont have to worry about looking like you support totalitarianism. I don't know how well that would work, but it's just an idea
Ayo, I know this video is like 3 years old but I wanted to let you know that fell asleep watching this. I have bad insomnia so that helped me a lot. Thanks for helping me sleep, bro 👍
This video has been in my recommended section for several months, and I’ve ignored it every time. Today I just said “screw it”
"more of a focus should have been put on Rico"
Said no one else ever
Rico is the key to all of this.
Rico was cool in 1 because Haha was there
yeah they could have delved into why he hates the helghst so much in the game it just feels like he's pissed off at them for the sake of being the enemy but I'm sure there's a reason they never really touched on
@@that-guy213 lol there's no reason, it's just bad writing
@@that-guy213 wasnt his only reason he is pised at Hellgast cuz they killed his budies in platoon?
Other than that most of time he is racist psychopath with wich Vecta has a lot.
The evilness of the hellghast always seemed so forced to me
Like "they look like nazis so they must be evil" them you read the lore and see how they were exploited workers that suffered under Vekta's laws and decided to rise up
So to compensate the fact that the hellgan are the one in the "good side" they make them do saturday morning cartoon vilanous acts
The isa are a fuck ton more evil than whatever the helgast are interpreted in this game. The hatred for the helgast is so unjustified
@STORM LORD "You cant put ethno nationalism in a game."
You know that the Wolfenstein remake games happened, right?
So it's basically Gundam
Plot twist, Rico of the ISA was the true villain of the Killzone Trilogy, especially in 2 and 3.
@@Gruntvc well he killed an entire planet so...
The first Killzone had an amazing intro.
i remember repeatedly playing the killzone 2 demo when i was younger and being amazed by the graphics and weighty feel
The whole time I played this series I always asked myself “am I the bad guy?”
@@TPizzle96
At least germany and austria got help, was slowly rebuilding and wasnt literally doomed on a planet made out of plague.
@@boarfaceswinejaw4516 "got help" hah is that what they call it now a days?
@@DerNomade1871
i was speaking in general about both world wars, as after ww2 germany recieved aid from the us and the treaty of versailles wars more or less scrapped.
@@DerNomade1871 They got a raw deal; but they also did alot of help...and then the Great Depression happened and there was no help to give.
@akamaro20
look up the locarno treaties, the dawes plan and the young plan.
The treaty of versailles was significantly softened and actions were made to make it significantly less severe.
as someone who's a big killzone fan, this vid was fantastic and I think is one of your best easily.
Killzone 1 for me is a decent shooter but is rather rough and doesn't reach it's full potential. Liberation for me is actually the 2nd best in the series and is just really solid overall. Killzone 2 is easily the best of the series and one of the best FPS games ever. Everything about it is just extremely well polished and fine tuned that results in a fantastic campaign that always has you on the edge. I'm kinda surprised you didn't mention the music for Killzone or the fact they got actors like Brian Cox, Sean pertwee, and Malcolm mcdowell for the series, as I think they give killzone a lot of character. Plus the Helghast march is awesome.
Your theory on Killzone switching it's art style to be more bright and sci fi like to appease people who don't like brown and grey shooters is something I never really thought of but I can 100% agree with that. I personally like the way Killzone 3 looks, even though it's really jarring given it takes place right after 2 but it still remotely resembles killzone albeit more advanced. Shadowfall is where the series I think really started to blend in with the crowd, which was not for the better. Killzone if it kept more in line with the earlier games would've stood out from other shooters now than when it did back then, since as you said Gritty shooters aren't terribly common as they use to be
I hated how Killzone 3 did away with the dark, copper-y colour palette. Took away the gritty atmosphere and made it look like a generic futuristic shooter to me
@@Walamonga1313 yeah. I played the series again through the campaign earlier this year, and it was really weird how there's all of a sudden giant death robots and all that stuff at the start of 3.
This game was amazing when I was a kid. They're still goated
KZ is my favourite fps series. 2 was chefs kiss. Great video! Really brought me back. An Unreal Engine 5 PS5 KZ more in line with KZ 2 would be amazing.
I feel a big "issue" with Killzone was how niche it was too... At the time it didn't appeal to Halo fans because it was seen as the competitor on Playstation (which at the time of KZ2 and 3, the PS3 was already less popular than the 360). It didn't appeal to modern military fans of games like CoD or Medal of Honor because it was too sci-fi. And it didn't appeal to boomer shooter/arena shooter fans of games like DOOM, who might have appreciated the sci-fi aesthetic, because it was too slow, and modern. I can see all of that contributing to Guerrilla attempting to redefine and differentiate the game in an attempt to appeal to any of these fanbases too... Definitely an odd game for it's time, even comparing it to its fellow PS3 shooter Resistance. Though I loved and played both Killzone and Resistance a lot back in high school.
Another point against Killzone post release is that it's not like the PS2 was starved for great shooters. Timesplitters, Project Snowblind, and Black all did the shooty bang bang action better. Controls, gameplay, graphics, frame rate, Killzone just couldn't hold up in comparison. It was just exclusive to the PS2, so it allowed for there to be some console war battles to be fought as to whether Sony would have a "Halo Killer".
It's also interesting that for all the focus of a FPS being a halo killer back in those mid 2000s that it was COD4, a game that didn't even try to, that ended up surpassing the sci-fi shooter. By the end of 2007, more people were playing COD4 on the 360 than Halo 3, despite the latter being released in 2 months earlier in September and exclusive just to that console (so there was no other way of playing, whereas COD4 was also on PS3 and PC).
@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan to us you are all boomers.
@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan nah its cuz you are just as out of touch and delusional as the boomers bucko
@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan and the Jordan Petersen reference flies right over your head, shut up boomer.
Shadowfall not having a speech was a crime against this series
Visari's speeches are easily the highlight of any killzone game.
This very well made
Nice job
I love this saga, I've played all of them without counting shadow fall.
There's a difference between gray and dark and realism tho.
Many of the of the games in late 2000 looked unrealistically brown and dark. COD WW2 is a good example of it done right as it shows a game that is gritty and realistic without an ugly color pallette
ugh COD WW2 is hideous, WAW, MW, MW2, and BO on the other hand all have gritty styles and beautiful colour palettes.
@@aceambling7685 WAW is still one of the best gritty WW2 games
@@user-go1sl6rd7u BIG fax
Gears of war series lol
'I should do something constructive' *Goes to youtube to start up some background music* *sees 1 hour upload from TGBS*
'Welp, shit.'
First time?
@@darekbaird Nah its more along the lines of 'here we go again' shit. Y'know?
I bought killzone 2 because of this video and it is incredible. Thank you for the great video
Killzone Shadow Fall was my first entry into the series and I absolutely loved it.