So, apparently the ending of the English version of Mega Man 7 was changed from the Japanese version. I wasn't aware of that. But, we still have robots allowing themselves to become Robot Masters of their own accord in Mega Man 9, so I'm pretty sure that still counts as free will. I read somewhere that Onimusha was a series of fighting games. My source was apparently wrong. The only one I've played has been "Blade Warriors" and it was only to get the footage of Mega Man for this video. I apologize for these errors, and they will be corrected during the full compiled version of this Iceberg. I edited the thumbnail because someone complained about spoilers on the thumbnail of my first Iceberg video, so I decided to change it a little. There are a few unfortunate editing errors. I blame myself for rushing, and Vegas for being difficult, liking to freeze at random moments, and having to shuffle the layers around several times. These too will be fixed in the re-release. I'll try to not take forever with Part 3. My goal for that one is September 5th. Thank you all for watching!
Robot Masters technically is an English term referring to the term boss robot as in boss of the stage. It’s been used in western media to refer to robots of higher thought capability though they don’t have complete free will since they still have a function to fulfill though have the freedom to choose the method so vague programming like Rock and Bass allow a lot of leeway in what they can do. Reploids like X have absolute freedom to choose though it seems many reploids being built with a purpose in mind have a predisposition to the job though have the choice to leave it for something else if they so choose. This is where X’s hesitation and worry are apparent since he had no predisposed purpose so wonders about his actions many times among other areas where his distinct worry and hesitation come into play… also yeah Megaman English localization has been a mess at times from what I hear from lore buffs who carry what seems to be 95% of all the sources translated from Japanese to English as well as understanding a fair amount of the nuances in language
Okay so here's the thing about the Master series of Robots. While they are very advanced in the ways they're able to communicate, "think" and emote. Ultimately this is still all programming. They are behaving has programmed. They are not able to grow or develop outside of this programming. Zero, X and the other reploids that were derived from him are different, they can grow, evolve, change over time and are free to think whatever they wish. If a robot exhibits the desire to "rebel" against people that is ultimately it's programming, either an oversight or by design. For example: in 300 years Roll would still act like a six year old girl. However if she were a reploid, though she may start out acting the same way has Robot Roll, after that same 300 years she would act and think like a 300 year-old woman. With a worldview and personality that is radically different than when she was first built. This is also why Doctor Light still always uses the term "robot"; which is derived from slave, in the classic era, but he specifically did not, nor does anyone, ever use that term for X, Zero or the Reploids.
1:08:15 That scene is actually changed in the English version. In the Japanese, he never states to be more than Human, or anything like that. He just says "..." and then puts his buster away, being unable to garm Wily due to not having true free will
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say for the Navi master part, LANs dad created megaman so it’s safe to assume he has some sort of program that monitors megaman and he probably has video recordings of his netbattles so recreating image data for navis he fought would make sense
I remember the MMBN4 Dark License rumors as well. I did eventually legitimately remove the dark chip hp loss penalty on my copy of MMBN4. For the longest time I had no idea how I triggered this. I recently asked in the N1 Grand Prix discord server about this. If I recall correctly the explanation was there being some cap on the maximum amount of hp you can lose but don't quote me on that. Thus the rumors continue lol.
@@snatcherofpeachs I remember hearing THAT method back in the day. It basically is sort of a data-cap, from what I understand. Not really related to Dark License, but still, that's how you (eventually) stop losing HP.
@52:32 A Digital Videoman would most likely use Dvd discs as projectiles similar to Metal Man and lasers among the other dvd player abilities (pause, rewind, etc)
Videos like this really make it obvious how downright weird the Battle Network universe is. Random decorative statues have pointless computers inside them!
@48:15 God Stone (Bottom right) isn't a Virus, but the golem in the image appears in Battle Network 1. Once you get Stoneman's HP down to a low enough number, he will summon these. Also, the golem in the image looks similar to some enemies that appear in Swordman's stage from Megaman 8.
29:15 I live in Brazil and we got these figurines, so they probably aren't exclusive to Australia. My guess is that they were released when the toy line was winding down and there weren't many of these produced.
Man, the DarkMemory part in BN4 is probably the most interesting bit of information I've seen in a long time. If somehow an E-Reader card is found, and it becomes real, it's gonna be huge.
The thing with megaman being on all those battle chips kinda bothered me at first. but now I like to imagine that all those chips have essentially a blank place holder navi that gets replaced with the netops navi. So if chaud used an elec sword chip it would be protoman on the display and not megaman.
Sort of my thoughts on it. How else are you supposed to get battle chips from virtual viruses, if not just downloading the data to blank cards? The PETs probably have a writing function for battle chip data, so it would take and make a picture on the card of whatever your Navi is. Similar to the AI image makers we see nowadays. Though that doesn't explain the other battle chips with different Navis on them, either ones of known navis or the random unknown ones.
I think the first Rockman.exe is still a horror game If you think about it, the WWW's actions aren't terrifying in a supernatural sense, but how their actions affect the world do have a hopeless feel. Burning houses, changing traffic lights, freezing the water, trapping people, probably they still used scary situations and feelings to create the story but no making horror with monsters
@@FlashingBladesProductions BN2 is worse I’d argue. Suffocating a group of kids in a house, flooding the forest by blowing up a dam, as well as crashing a plane.
@@FlashingBladesProductions the bias factions about political unrest, War on drugs, Graphic scenery, riots, WWW's Actions, Social Backlash, the conspiracy Issues is meaningless.
I can't wait to see the video! Edit: Woah! It was a great watch! The execution was great and I can definitely see that this took a lot of time (1+ hour video literally), and the amount of entries too, I never thought that the exe series would contain so much lore :0 So yeah, keep doing your best!
23:10 - Only tangentially related but I also loved the one-shot Ryo did to promote Mega Man 11. Mostly since I’m a sucker for good fights and power scaling shenanigans, and Ryo great at illustrating how the Double Gear used by Light and Wily in this game escalated the dynamics in power compared to the Genesis Unit from the post-3 Wily Wars, Ra Moon from the non-canon/post-5 Super Adventure Rockman, the Mega Man Killers and Star Droids from the Game Boy series, Bass and the Super Adapters from 7, and Duo as well as Evil Energy in 8. Short and sweet while illustrating the resolute optimism of Mega Man himself.
58:32 In the RockMan.Exe Beast+ season, her death is confirmed, and apparently later Mama Zap is a hologram or something guarding a jewel in the mansion's remains. If I remember correctly it's episode 12.
When you spoke of copies of navis who are from overseas - my first thought was "they could email files, this is the internet", then i remembered... this is the battle network series, emailing files is rather inconsistent on how it actually works.
There is still something that bugs me about the Star Force series... What happened to the Navis from the Battle Network series? or the ones that came after? and aren't they supposed to be immortal or something? I always found it weird that no one talks about them or the PETs in Star Force.
If their data is properly maintained (and they aren't Shademan), then they can have a very long life. But, if not maintained, they can just kinda fall apart like Tadashi Hikari's Navi in BN5. But, you do have a point. There ARE some NPC programs called "Navis" in SF, but none of them really have a lot of impact on the story outside of being just a tool, like to control a crane or something. Even if it DOES take place 200 years later, you'd think that such major events would be referenced because it's a fictional world, and it's a direct sequel.
@@FlashingBladesProductions And now we see why starforce failed where battle network succeeded. Tge sad part is, there are some really good concepts in the star force series. Like the post game in starforce 2.
There are Navis in starforce but think of it like pagers and I guess more recently home phones where they were heavily used but main infrastructure has changed to fit cell phones. They usually operate older systems or construction equipment in starforce universe.
@@FlashingBladesProductions Kinda late, but if i had to take a guess, they were gonna bring that up somehow in SF4. Maybe they were gonna have Kazuma (or someone else) introduce Geo to a secret society that still uses Navis? If so, that could also be a good excuse to have a few older Navis show up. Hell, they could have Kazuma use Megaman.EXE, or a Navi related to him.
@@akesan2374 man that would of been awesome still have Regular Geo and OmegaXis transformations for wave battles, and build a new navi team for a new style of liberation missions or heists, it was all supposed to be about hacking right?
I'd argue Hub/Saito being a netnavi is more of a fma reference with Alphosne's spirit being attached to suit of armour in order for his death to be prevented.
59:01 - What gets me about Jack’s utter failure here is that Lan and MegaMan couldn’t even be bothered to Style Change like in immediately prior episodes. Just shows how far World Three, and ElecMan especially, fell way off as a threat at this early point in the show.
they wanted to keep mr match around for the whole Heatman part, and had to keep all of them, but after the end of the first arc, they had nothing else going for them. heck, they needed to create a whole charather out of 15 lines and a sprite for jahoot!
Things that baffle me the most is that there are still uncover secret inside the game to this day. I mean with how easy data dumping, modding and hacking of GBA rom have been, I thought that the game would have been searched inside out by now. But apparently there are data out there that can only be obtain during events or specific version of the game, and I sincerely want to know the whole story
Chaud being a little kid is really really fucking funny mostly because I think the idea of giving a child access to military technology because hes basically a really good gamer is amazing
About how suspicious Higsby is in Battle Network games where he knows too much, that gives off a suspicious vibe, despite how negative Higsby is towards Dark Chips, for some odd reason in BN5, some of his Numberman Lotto codes, gives free Dark Chips. Higsby, seriously, you warn Lan and Megaman about the dangers of Dark Chips, which makes you suspicious enough already, but in the very next game, you have Numberman Lotto codes that gives Operators Dark Chips, the very kind of Battle Chips you told Lan to NOT use!
That actually makes me wonder If the names of dead Navi's that were eventually revived with back up data are still in the grave yard area, does that mean the revived Navi's aren't the originals and the deleted ones are still gone? This actually reminds me of that one teleportation paradox where the question is asked "is the person on the other side still you if it's made from a new set of molecules?" Or better yet the Ship of Thesius. Is the backed up Navi still the same Navi?
In the anime the reason why the navi mark is where all the navi's core data is stored. Similar to a copy bot being a blank body and the nave being an overlay is about the same in the anime. The navi's body is mostly a digital doll while their souls are stored in their navi marks. This also explains how rock gains a double soul by gaining some of a navi's data through their marks or how they revive rock after he was deleted in season 1.
The only theory I could come up with about Mega being on all the chips, is that the PET saves the chip image with the active Navi when you get it... In the anime, the chip graphic looks like it fades when it's depleted, and there has to be some way for a blank chip to have an image when you write to it...
1:09:26 - probably not, it’s just as likely that whatever truck or chute that piled in the PETs just emptied out from top to bottom so that the bottom contents (the BN6 devices and prior) flowed to the top as a consequence. Some diving might reveal newer models underneath.
54:24 - I am so hyped to catch that review when it’s out, I wanna know what happens since I got the re-release Tomes and have no idea what’s going on. The action is great though, the Life Virus is the strongest it’s ever been in any canon and there’s a lot of great group brawls to behold.
1:02:27 I distinctly remember getting these vibes when I first played the series way back when. Took me ages to stop being scared of the game to get past Gust-man in blue version.
I would like to comment on that one little bit about a plot hole being made about X being the first robot with free will. In the X series timeline, X was discovered, and all the reploids were based off of him. The original Megaman is completely unknown to these people, meaning any knowledge about Light's robotics and Megaman's tales were completely lost somehow. Plus, I believe that entry we saw about X being the first robot with free will was made by Dr. Cain, who does not have any knowledge about the original Megaman. I don't believe it's a plot hole, but rather meant to represent the loss of Light's original work. Also, great friggin' video. I consider myelf a massive fan of Battle Network, and I wasn't aware of most of the facts in the first AND second parts. Can't wait for part 3.
The X intro is a Dr Light warning and the Megaman 7 instance is localization going rampant with changes. Classic series robots show limited free will, they can choose how to reach their programming and the more vague it is the more freedom but they in the end must reach it. That’s why reploids are special where they can choose to do whatever and think about their actions more and hesitate with X being foremost in worry and hesitation making him the most human
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer Ohhhhh, I didn't know that intro was from Light. I knew about the stuff between classic series robots and reploids, but didn't think it was necessary for my comment since I thought it was Dr. Cain lol.
1:17:01 It just occurred to me that this design is derivative of the GUMP (Gun+COMP) from the first Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers game (a spinoff of the Shin Megami Tensei series).
To be fair, the first time, I didn't really point it out until I revisited BN3 years later. If I remember, I played BN3, watched Tamers, then played BN3 some more a bit later, and it was only THEN that I noticed the similarities.
1:05:23 - Emphasis on loosely since PharaohMan is depicted as a formidable WWW lackey like in the games rather than an a discount manga Alpha like in the anime. Also you can fight and legitimately beat Bass in the boss rush mode.
@47:32 "Navis on Battle Chip Icons" God Stone (bottom right chip) resembles an enemy from Sword Man stage of Megaman 8. Look up a walk through of the stage so you can see who I'm referring to. The Hero Sword guy looks like a low-resolution Zero from Megaman X but without his long hair. That or the pink navi with horns mentioned earlier. Not sure about Old Wood and the Punch chips. Like you mentioned in a new video, it resembles an Iron Man suit but the red cape also gives Ultron/Red Cowl vibes.
I think theres some dark server somewhere thats old as heck that has Shade-man on back up, and constantly stores his memory, so any time he dies it just rebuilds him and waltzs around like its nothing.
Adding to the similarity with Digimon, besides Alpha and the D-Reaper, what about NebulaGray and VenomMyotismon having almost the same abdomen (with six eyes on them) and them both being mindless beasts of evil and destruction? I know this one could be a coincidence as they could simply have similar design inspirations which I don't know about, but being a fan of both series', it always stood out to me, and I wanted to bring it up.
24:34 - A small aside, I personally posit that Network Transmission takes place during and directly overwrites the post-game of the original Battle Network. Besides you getting to rematch a bunch of the main story Navis from the first game, you also face the three superbosses (ShadowMan, PharaohMan, and Bass) in plot-driven circumstances before they become more relevant in 2.
@3:45 funnily enough, Network Transmission was my first Megaman game, and I saw Bug Style and was enraptured but so furious I couldn’t find how to get it. It wasn’t until years later when I finally beat MMBN3 that I unlocked bug style and Hub style and actually learned what they were.
Fun little fact that ties into the navis in the real world bit. When Maylu and Roll cross fused with the rush synchro chip, they actually maintained the fusion after the dimensional area faded. Though they canceled the fusion by taking off their helmet shortly after.
1:08:11 That part from MM7 is only exclusive for the Western release. In the OG release, Mega Man says nothing as Wily mentioned the first law of robotics to him.
Again nice video, man (haha). But we do a have a theory on the Graveyard area. We theorize that Graveyard area "tombs" actually alter based on the Navi who is using them. Basically the "tombs" reads the battledata from the Navi who is currently looking at them. So when Megaman uses them, it reads his battledata and shows him every navi he has battled. As for why it shows Navis who have been revived, the "tombs" don't take that in account as it only goes by the Navi battledata which includes Navis who were deleted but revive. So for example, say a Navi who has deleted 3 Navis and goes to the Graveyard Area, and they use the "tombs", the "tombs" will only show those 3 navis that they deleted.
Every Graveyard Area Is Personalized. Could be kinda like Black Earth, where the mirrors reflect your soul. But that still doesn't answer the question of WHY it exists, though. Black Earth and Nebula Area are both apparently "Murkland", so that's kinda justified, but the Graveyard is still an oddity.
@@FlashingBladesProductions maybe the Graveyard area exists before Navi backups and Navi battles were common place, so when a Navi got deleted in battle, it would be a way of honoring them. Or maybe it was originally used by criminal's Navis or solo Navi criminals to show how many Navis they deleted, maybe as a way to brag or to show how strong they were.
@@thevenomspino That......Actually makes TOO much sense. Bass DOES jump you and say that the last grave stone is reserved for Mega Man. Maybe BASS set up the Graveyard to psyche Mega Man out before trying to kill him again?
@@FlashingBladesProductions that does sound like something post BN 3 Bass would do, physiological breaking his opponents to weakening them before a fight for power.
so initially i thought swordman's different personalities may have been a reference to kamen rider den-o but then i realized den-o actually came out 4 years later. Maybe they share a common inspiration?
I'll put my two cents into the "Cybeast Cult" and tie it with the "Horror Game" bit. You see, there's this author called H. P. Lovecraft, he wrote about a subgenre of horror called "Cosmic". The narrative usually involved someone getting too curious for their own good, and discovering Cults of people speaking unknown languages and Old Gods names. Like the Cybeasts are: old and so massive you can get mad just trying to comprehend their influence. Games based on it tend to have a Bad Ending, or at least a bittersweet one. The original Alone in the Dark was inspired by Lovecraft works, and most of its creatures are locked under the sea, outside our Universe, dead or sleeping. World of Warcraft was another game that drank from that fountain, but I reckon Rockman EXE goes for more of an adult fear: you never know if your kids are going to be safe from kidnappers, arsonists, terrorists, hackers and the like. This last type is so advanced and skilled that, as a normal person, I can only imagine this world is horrible to live in. Because they can force your car to keep going over a red light, or a train to lose its brakes... And there's nothing you can do, you just have to wait for an 11 year-old to show up and save the day for you! Of course, this all ties to the supernatural entries on the Iceberg, whenever you speak of ghosts, dead humans or Navis, how they can cross the boundaries between the worlds and sometimes even those thin, blur and almost stop existing.
I like that when describing the Cybersword/Buster toy, WATCH put combat in quotations. Like, bitch, I'd bring that to a real fight. It is both a gun and a sword, so I don't have to choose between the two. Gone are the days of showing up to ye olde duel, only to awkwardly find out your opponent left his firearm at home, but conveniently has his rapier on him.
I missed a popular MMBN Creepypasta BECAUSE of the EXE tagline. I found some OTHER MegaMan Creepypastas, but missed "Reaper Scythe: Dark Chip" until a few months ago.
For the 'dangerous' CyberSword toy, I explicitly remember stabbing at my brother with it, accidentally catching him in the eye, and subsequently having it taken away by my parents T_T So maybe 'dangerous' but no more so than any other toy sword or nerf gun, etc. ... I still miss it T_T
I still remember when I got the Nerf Longshot for Christmas and shot my sister point-blank between the eyes by accident (I didn't understand how the priming bar worked), and immediately got it taken away.
First. I apologize if a detail I gave in my comment about GraveyardArea was incorrect. (Hakushaku's part) Second: I forgot about Zap and Gauss are brother. Regal's corspe looks shockingly detailed. And a lot of interesting details. Battle Network can get really confusing and interesting. Really good video! I'll be patient for the third part. Take your time!
Ah, The Immortal Area? Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense as to why Hakushaku has a Graveyard Clone for his area, unless it's supposed to be a pun on how Vampires are the Living Dead. I get that they likely didn't have the room for assets to give him his own unique area, but at least make it like a pallet swap or something. Yeah, I didn't know that until I watched the anime. I remember seeing that the first time and being like "That's weird. Why would they add that?" Kinda like how in the manga, Bubbleman and Spoutman are brothers, when in the games, Bubbleman's brother was Drillman.... for some reason. Thank you. ^_^ thanks for your contributions!
43:33 The site actually does still exist but this particular page does not. Guess they purge archives after a while. In 2020 they gave the same warning for "WWE JUMBO SUPERSTAR FISTS" (actually called WWE _John Cena_ Jumbo Superstar Fists _Toy,_ though I am not sure why "toy" is part of the official product name) which are _plush_ fists. The Darksaber being on the list for 2020 also drew ire from Star Wars fans because of course it did. People like them are why clackers aren't a thing anymore. RIP Joseph Joestar.
32:11 If that doesn’t work then how about something similar to Pokémon Masters as in team up and interact with characters in the Battle Network series.
At 47:52 I think the reason Megaman and other known navis appear in so many Battle Chips, is the same reason we see Zero or Vile Posters, Megaman Zero carpets or Roll Casket figurines: BN's World is a parallel to our world. Megaman is a famous franchise in their world so naturally people make net navis/battle chips based on characters from the Megaman Franchise. If you think about it, us players ARE technically all Megaman.EXE operators just by playing the game on multiplayer, so multiple Megaman.EXE does technically exist. This explains why Lan, Megaman and any other character never comments about why Megaman or other navis are featured in some battle chips, because in universe it's not uncommon to see the same type of navi being used. (Also note that no human character is featured in any battle chip, only navis.) This theory goes even further if you consider BN4.5, where by default you can choose Megaman, Roll, Gutsman or Numberman to be your navi... all of them already have canonical operators and there they are, being operated by other people, the player. Of course, none of this is canon in anyway, but I think it's a cool way to connect our world to Battle Network :)
I do like the idea of some next gen Navi's being a form of digitized human. While not a megaman game. Like Halo explaining how AI are created by bombarding radiation on a donated human brain. There was also a game named SOMA where there is a possibility of how a human can become a digitized human, by performing a brain scan, while originally to help with brain based injuries like a brain hemorrhage or possibly cancer. The idea is that the brain scan itself is a form of save state before the brain can resume. And once transferred into a body, or possibly a digital body. Uptime for the brain can resume like how actual running programs would work. And the person who was last scanned end up suddenly waking up in an unfamiliar location with their last recollection of being their brain scanned.
Another instance of unexplained Cyber folks in real life, Bn2 features an hp memory that you can only get by talking to a mr. Prog hiding in the mother computer room.
I KNEW IT! I KNEW there was a random Navi or Prog in the real world of BN2 but I couldn't remember WHERE. I thought it was a Normal Navi in Okuden Valley, but I guess not. I remember that one now, though. Thank you! I was racking my brain trying to remember where that guy was!
1:13:43 I remember that as a child Battle Network 4 confused me a lot and more because of the glitches in the game. To the point where the game got weird every time it got past that part where you beat Yuko.
Please, in the final part talk about the "EXE6 Anubis Soft-Lock" And also about the Tango MMBN Rollback NetCode Thanks for this videos, your MMBN icebergs are amazing
@@Blue_XIII I think it happened to me when I played EXE6 with the virtual console patch, from what I recall there is a BBS request in which you need to use the Poison Pharaoh PA, but to get the Anubis chip first you need all the Mega Chips, which includes Protoman DX and SP, problem is you can only battle ProtoSP after you complete a certain number of requests (25 I think, PA request is not actually required), since you can't cancel requests you're now locked out of fighting ProtoSP and reaching the last graveyard area.
31:33 I wonder the iceberg didn't mention Starforce was going to be Megaman battle network 7 before they canceled it, it has a 3D ACDC town in the game I believe.
1:08:18 rock did not have free will. The phrase you put up was a dub only statement, meaning its not canon. But even if it was, mega was unable to fire his buster, meaning despite the statement mega is still controlled by robotic law.
1:29 Hades is in fact _not_ god of the dead but rather god of the underworld and also commerce (this is actually referenced in FFXIV with Nald'Thal). He has authority over the dead with his position but he is never considered a ruler of the dead in any form. Even the _Disney_ version got this right for all of its liberties, as Hades always introduces himself as "Lord of the Underworld" and that version has no qualms with abusing his position for his own gain (even resurrecting Jafar in Hercules The Animated Series and Auron from FFX instead of a KH version of him like other FF characters in Kingdom Hearts).
Just to clear it up You can manipulate the Number Doors, to keep it short. It just requires a hard reset and a lot tighter/consistent movement/text mashing.
Ah. I knew I likely didn't get that one right. Thanks for the info! I do recall Tterraj doing a lot of soft-resets in his runs, too. So, soft-resetting and hard-resetting give different RNG. Duly noted.
35:43 if this is true, than that would make an reference to Duo's first appearance in Megaman 8, since in the intro cutscene Duo was fighting against a evil robot imbued with the evil energy and we know the dark chips could be a reference to the evil energy, who knows? maybe the Chaos King true form could look like an evil version of Duo? since in Megaman 8 Duo original form and the evil robot looks almost identical, only difference being the color pallets, their unique big arm is in opside directions and the evil robot has a evil face. *(well they don't call him evil robot for nothing XD)*
11:50 He could have gotten the data on the other navis from Megaman himself through his battle data and memory and bit of data he collected. 17:30 It`s stated the can be duplicate of the same Navis so why is this such a big deal when each version we defeat could just be a copy.
One thing that isn't really made clear about backup data or Dark Power resurrection is whether or not it is actually JUST a copy (because if it was, then does that copy have a soul? And why not just make a bunch of copies of a super strong Navi to overwhelm Mega Man?) or if it is ACTUALLY the SAME Navi being revived with the same memories and such. The way the Darkloids speak, it sounds like actual resurrection, and not just a copy, saying things like "We've come back 3 times just to defeat you!" and such. THAT is the issue I take with Shade Man. If his soul got destroyed TWICE, then HOW is he still alive after all of that? This guy gets revived more than Dracula in Castlevania.
@@FlashingBladesProductions Base on how they are just data being it probably not hard to copy and paste the memory nor make copy/clone of said Navi and many others if they are not a unique entity like Megaman/Hub since there should be mass produce Navi in the world. It just isn`t a thing probably because of the plot or they didn`t think of it.
i could have an explanation for videoman's analogue weaknesses to water and magnetism, when videoman was created its possible that they compiled data on analogue style video formats. so that means all its weaknesses included, and you could say that slur created the AsteRoid version based on said data that lingered after videoman's deletion
I understand that those kind of things affect actual VHS tapes IRL, but being a Navi, Videoman's entire body is composed of computer coding, so as he exists in the Cyber World, these traits, by all logic, shouldn't apply to him. Even if he materialized in a Dimensional Area, he's STILL a Cyber Being, and is not composed of the same materials as a real physical VHS tape.
the thing about Duo and king chaos is that they got retconned by starforce (or, well, starforce is the whole concept of Duo's area expanded to the extreme) as EM beings and the relative breacks from the full on digital setup. gonna throw poltergeist navi in there as well, and basically all of the bull of wandering navi, bugs with a will of their own, the graveyard and specter to the setup that the net is by rules built over the ancient tribes spots of 'servers' due to how the rule of the world works not really satisfying, but it ends up very clean the navichip are supposedly created by the direct user similarly to any chip item chip like rockcube, I'd suppose that specific non-virus based chips, like muramasa work on a similar concept, a single pop, with muramasa and the other evil chip absorbing the energy from the darkchip being produced during 4&5 and altering how they work
I think Shademan's immortality is similar to Kreisnik's from devil survivor perhaps he may had to be killed in a specific way or by a specific person. In Kreisnik's case if he was killed in the first fight he becomes too strong to be killed by the vampire hunter since he didn't get weakened before killed which results in a character being killed during the second fight with Kreisnik
58:20 Beelzemon and Bass?! Sorry but what?! Impmon has a _completely different_ backstory where it's straight up shown he used to have human partners but ran away because they kept fighting over him, treating him like a toy... Bass on the other hand was _specifically_ designed to operate on his own. Moreover, Beelzemon wound up changing his perspective on life, even reconciling with his tamers. Cossack failed to reconcile with Bass and Bass _never_ changed his perspective on life, even if his actions wound up sparing Cossack. Also some D-Reapers have an "Alpha Decay" which has nothing to do with Alpha because its Japanese name is Proto and it's referring to Alpha radiation but an odd coincidence to be sure.
I wonder if any of the fandom or outside reference points I commented on will be in the final iceberg part. If not, oh well, I just thought it would be nice to mention stuff like the esports scene, at least.
8:00 so does this mean that the "canon" timeline is 1,2,3B, 4BM, 5TC, and Falzar? Because 5TC is the one most obviously more Canon than it's counterpart it would make Raika being in RS and that timeline overall less canon
My personal take on it was that the "canon" BN4 was Red Sun (if we assume that BOTH aren't canon), and BN6 Gregar. Red Sun because Blue Moon has a few plot holes, like Tamako not remembering Lan from BN3, and Gutsman showing up to confront Laserman makes WAY more sense than Aquaman, because what if Lan didn't meet Aquaman on THIS playthrough? And likewise, if we don't use Blue Moon, we CAN'T use Falzar because of Shuko. Most works outside the games depict Mega Man getting Gregar Beast if he is only allowed ONE, like the manga, or in the anime where he gets both, he uses GBeast FIRST. I actually have a video in the works on "what is Canon" to the BN series, but even my best justification doesn't have a perfect answer.
There isn’t really a canon version, they’re all meant to be canon. Extra colonel stuff is just offscreen in the Protoman version. If the devs said one version was canon sales would lower for the opposite version. It’s sorta best to think of the versions being vaguely fused when thinking of canon at times at least that’s how i go getting the most information
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer I could accept either/or/both being canon for BN4 and 5, but trying to say "both are canon" completely breaks the entire setup for BN6. This is one scenario where it HAS to be either/or. At least for the game's setup. If the Cybeast Cult was able to wake up Mega Man's Beast THAT easily, I don't imagine Mega Man could survive having BOTH Beasts inside him at once. He'd be torn apart from within, if not explode from the massive amount of data. The anime and manga do present the powers differently, though.
@@FlashingBladesProductions I say vaguely as in imagine someone recounting it or something since the general story is both cybeasts are released while one is captured the other is contained within the hero. The version differences is which one but in a general retelling without going into specifics it’s kind of the same
I’m pretty sure when I was a little kid I did bought a megaman cut man nt figurine on target one time and had a base figurine from a anime store. Although I don’t have them anymore including a toy dx progress pet navy with chips and all
2 things I like to mention that were both missed and highly not known. The toys. There is another piece of merch that was exclusive to Japan. The piece in question is the Star Force pendant. That one actually has a legitimate warning that came after. I have the original V1 run of the pendant. The warning was that the original pendant (ie V1) has very sharp and pointy edges. So kids had to be extremely cautious and careful when they have them on. Since it really had the potential of kids getting injuries from this pendant. Later, it was revised to have dull points in the edges. And the second one, it's up to the you and viewer to see if it's counts as another death. In the EXE movie, when Regal is defeated, he gets wiped out pretty damn good to where it's end result is the same as Stream. Bones and his cloak.
I remember he gets absolutely floored by Bass Cross, but the way I remember it, he still had most of his body, so I didn't really count that one. I heard about the pendent. We were trying to keep this one to mostly EXE. If we ever do a SF Iceberg (no promises, but I can't see the future), I'm sure that'll get included.
@@FlashingBladesProductions I've not seen these around elsewhere. But exe wise, there were some mini figures that were pretty much like desk figures. I bought them years ago. Mega, proto, and a few other figures.
So, apparently the ending of the English version of Mega Man 7 was changed from the Japanese version. I wasn't aware of that. But, we still have robots allowing themselves to become Robot Masters of their own accord in Mega Man 9, so I'm pretty sure that still counts as free will.
I read somewhere that Onimusha was a series of fighting games. My source was apparently wrong. The only one I've played has been "Blade Warriors" and it was only to get the footage of Mega Man for this video. I apologize for these errors, and they will be corrected during the full compiled version of this Iceberg.
I edited the thumbnail because someone complained about spoilers on the thumbnail of my first Iceberg video, so I decided to change it a little.
There are a few unfortunate editing errors. I blame myself for rushing, and Vegas for being difficult, liking to freeze at random moments, and having to shuffle the layers around several times. These too will be fixed in the re-release.
I'll try to not take forever with Part 3. My goal for that one is September 5th. Thank you all for watching!
Robot Masters technically is an English term referring to the term boss robot as in boss of the stage. It’s been used in western media to refer to robots of higher thought capability though they don’t have complete free will since they still have a function to fulfill though have the freedom to choose the method so vague programming like Rock and Bass allow a lot of leeway in what they can do. Reploids like X have absolute freedom to choose though it seems many reploids being built with a purpose in mind have a predisposition to the job though have the choice to leave it for something else if they so choose. This is where X’s hesitation and worry are apparent since he had no predisposed purpose so wonders about his actions many times among other areas where his distinct worry and hesitation come into play… also yeah Megaman English localization has been a mess at times from what I hear from lore buffs who carry what seems to be 95% of all the sources translated from Japanese to English as well as understanding a fair amount of the nuances in language
Okay so here's the thing about the Master series of Robots. While they are very advanced in the ways they're able to communicate, "think" and emote. Ultimately this is still all programming. They are behaving has programmed. They are not able to grow or develop outside of this programming. Zero, X and the other reploids that were derived from him are different, they can grow, evolve, change over time and are free to think whatever they wish. If a robot exhibits the desire to "rebel" against people that is ultimately it's programming, either an oversight or by design.
For example: in 300 years Roll would still act like a six year old girl. However if she were a reploid, though she may start out acting the same way has Robot Roll, after that same 300 years she would act and think like a 300 year-old woman. With a worldview and personality that is radically different than when she was first built.
This is also why Doctor Light still always uses the term "robot"; which is derived from slave, in the classic era, but he specifically did not, nor does anyone, ever use that term for X, Zero or the Reploids.
Robots in 9 were reprogrammed by Wily.
Robot Master is a term for the Robots based on Protoman
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer What about Proto Man?
1:08:15
That scene is actually changed in the English version. In the Japanese, he never states to be more than Human, or anything like that. He just says "..." and then puts his buster away, being unable to garm Wily due to not having true free will
Yeah, robot masters don't have true free will.
Yeah, localization has absolutely screwed the Megaman fandom discourse and misinformation and misconception have permeated things
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say for the Navi master part, LANs dad created megaman so it’s safe to assume he has some sort of program that monitors megaman and he probably has video recordings of his netbattles so recreating image data for navis he fought would make sense
Hm.... I suppose that makes sense. I mean, we've heard stranger things BS'd in this series, but that actually makes a good amount of sense.
isn't that half of the explanation on how the navicust locks on what ppath to take, all thing considered?
I was gonna say, Mr. Hikari probably helped make all of Lan's friend's Navis... At least.
That Last Fact is surreal. It almost Feels like I remember there being a Dark License for MMBN4 but it apparently does not exist... Spooky
Mandela Effect strikes again? I actually had never heard of it until someone mentioned it in the comments on my first Iceberg video.
I remember the MMBN4 Dark License rumors as well. I did eventually legitimately remove the dark chip hp loss penalty on my copy of MMBN4. For the longest time I had no idea how I triggered this. I recently asked in the N1 Grand Prix discord server about this. If I recall correctly the explanation was there being some cap on the maximum amount of hp you can lose but don't quote me on that. Thus the rumors continue lol.
@@snatcherofpeachs I remember hearing THAT method back in the day. It basically is sort of a data-cap, from what I understand. Not really related to Dark License, but still, that's how you (eventually) stop losing HP.
@@FlashingBladesProductions i've 100% bn4 3 times and not once seen a dark license it doesn't exist at least in this timeline
@52:32
A Digital Videoman would most likely use Dvd discs as projectiles similar to Metal Man and lasers among the other dvd player abilities (pause, rewind, etc)
Videos like this really make it obvious how downright weird the Battle Network universe is. Random decorative statues have pointless computers inside them!
Same with star force
Maybe the programs in those statues are for public purposes such as the squirrel in the park holding the computer which controls the sprinklers
Maybe it’s telling us that it’s true. And we’re being watched by the undernet
@@Scrollskillups or that MMBN and Star Force are the Future haha
@48:15
God Stone (Bottom right) isn't a Virus, but the golem in the image appears in Battle Network 1.
Once you get Stoneman's HP down to a low enough number, he will summon these.
Also, the golem in the image looks similar to some enemies that appear in Swordman's stage from Megaman 8.
29:15 I live in Brazil and we got these figurines, so they probably aren't exclusive to Australia. My guess is that they were released when the toy line was winding down and there weren't many of these produced.
toy distribution is always a roll of the dice when it is not a planetary success wholesale. and sometimes even when it is...
Man, the DarkMemory part in BN4 is probably the most interesting bit of information I've seen in a long time. If somehow an E-Reader card is found, and it becomes real, it's gonna be huge.
The thing with megaman being on all those battle chips kinda bothered me at first. but now I like to imagine that all those chips have essentially a blank place holder navi that gets replaced with the netops navi. So if chaud used an elec sword chip it would be protoman on the display and not megaman.
Sort of my thoughts on it. How else are you supposed to get battle chips from virtual viruses, if not just downloading the data to blank cards? The PETs probably have a writing function for battle chip data, so it would take and make a picture on the card of whatever your Navi is. Similar to the AI image makers we see nowadays. Though that doesn't explain the other battle chips with different Navis on them, either ones of known navis or the random unknown ones.
Yesss baby lets GOOOOOOO, greetings from mexico bro, your megaman battle network videos are awesome!
Regarding the magnetman black fluid at 53 minutes, I think it's supposed to be ferrofluid, a very magnetic material.
Huh. That would make sense.
I think the first Rockman.exe is still a horror game
If you think about it, the WWW's actions aren't terrifying in a supernatural sense, but how their actions affect the world do have a hopeless feel.
Burning houses, changing traffic lights, freezing the water, trapping people, probably they still used scary situations and feelings to create the story but no making horror with monsters
Not mention the medieval dungeon traps in BN2. May as well be a SAW game.
@@FlashingBladesProductions BN2 is worse I’d argue. Suffocating a group of kids in a house, flooding the forest by blowing up a dam, as well as crashing a plane.
@@FlashingBladesProductions the bias factions about political unrest, War on drugs, Graphic scenery, riots, WWW's Actions, Social Backlash, the conspiracy Issues is meaningless.
I can't wait to see the video!
Edit: Woah! It was a great watch! The execution was great and I can definitely see that this took a lot of time (1+ hour video literally), and the amount of entries too, I never thought that the exe series would contain so much lore :0
So yeah, keep doing your best!
seeing how the piledriver has slain MUCH stronger vampires? the count and shademan are just too damn stubborn to die. that's it. they just refuse.
Taking the Alucard from Hellsing logic. They can only be slain if they "allow themselves to be".
23:10 - Only tangentially related but I also loved the one-shot Ryo did to promote Mega Man 11. Mostly since I’m a sucker for good fights and power scaling shenanigans, and Ryo great at illustrating how the Double Gear used by Light and Wily in this game escalated the dynamics in power compared to the Genesis Unit from the post-3 Wily Wars, Ra Moon from the non-canon/post-5 Super Adventure Rockman, the Mega Man Killers and Star Droids from the Game Boy series, Bass and the Super Adapters from 7, and Duo as well as Evil Energy in 8. Short and sweet while illustrating the resolute optimism of Mega Man himself.
1:09:38 Why is that odd? They would have run out of power at least decades beforehand.
Amazing video, just like the last one! Already looking forward to the next one!
58:32 In the RockMan.Exe Beast+ season, her death is confirmed, and apparently later Mama Zap is a hologram or something guarding a jewel in the mansion's remains. If I remember correctly it's episode 12.
When you spoke of copies of navis who are from overseas - my first thought was "they could email files, this is the internet", then i remembered... this is the battle network series, emailing files is rather inconsistent on how it actually works.
There is still something that bugs me about the Star Force series...
What happened to the Navis from the Battle Network series? or the ones that came after? and aren't they supposed to be immortal or something?
I always found it weird that no one talks about them or the PETs in Star Force.
If their data is properly maintained (and they aren't Shademan), then they can have a very long life. But, if not maintained, they can just kinda fall apart like Tadashi Hikari's Navi in BN5. But, you do have a point. There ARE some NPC programs called "Navis" in SF, but none of them really have a lot of impact on the story outside of being just a tool, like to control a crane or something.
Even if it DOES take place 200 years later, you'd think that such major events would be referenced because it's a fictional world, and it's a direct sequel.
@@FlashingBladesProductions And now we see why starforce failed where battle network succeeded. Tge sad part is, there are some really good concepts in the star force series. Like the post game in starforce 2.
There are Navis in starforce but think of it like pagers and I guess more recently home phones where they were heavily used but main infrastructure has changed to fit cell phones. They usually operate older systems or construction equipment in starforce universe.
@@FlashingBladesProductions Kinda late, but if i had to take a guess, they were gonna bring that up somehow in SF4. Maybe they were gonna have Kazuma (or someone else) introduce Geo to a secret society that still uses Navis? If so, that could also be a good excuse to have a few older Navis show up. Hell, they could have Kazuma use Megaman.EXE, or a Navi related to him.
@@akesan2374 man that would of been awesome still have Regular Geo and OmegaXis transformations for wave battles, and build a new navi team for a new style of liberation missions or heists, it was all supposed to be about hacking right?
I'd argue Hub/Saito being a netnavi is more of a fma reference with Alphosne's spirit being attached to suit of armour in order for his death to be prevented.
Bummed to have missed the start. Can’t wait to comment on some highlights on the rewatch.
28:04 I mean there's also the Clock Men. ClockMan wasn't based on them but he also shares their individual names.
59:01 - What gets me about Jack’s utter failure here is that Lan and MegaMan couldn’t even be bothered to Style Change like in immediately prior episodes. Just shows how far World Three, and ElecMan especially, fell way off as a threat at this early point in the show.
they wanted to keep mr match around for the whole Heatman part, and had to keep all of them, but after the end of the first arc, they had nothing else going for them. heck, they needed to create a whole charather out of 15 lines and a sprite for jahoot!
Things that baffle me the most is that there are still uncover secret inside the game to this day. I mean with how easy data dumping, modding and hacking of GBA rom have been, I thought that the game would have been searched inside out by now. But apparently there are data out there that can only be obtain during events or specific version of the game, and I sincerely want to know the whole story
You and me both. Maybe when the Legacy Collection comes out, maybe something hidden can be datamined from these new releases.
Another great vid. Can't wait to rewatch these after beating the legacy collection
Chaud being a little kid is really really fucking funny mostly because I think the idea of giving a child access to military technology because hes basically a really good gamer is amazing
I was waiting so patiently for this haha couldn't have uploaded at a better time. Always a banger, thanks for the awesome content
Glad you enjoyed it! I have a lot more Mega Man content on the way, so stay tuned!
About how suspicious Higsby is in Battle Network games where he knows too much, that gives off a suspicious vibe, despite how negative Higsby is towards Dark Chips, for some odd reason in BN5, some of his Numberman Lotto codes, gives free Dark Chips. Higsby, seriously, you warn Lan and Megaman about the dangers of Dark Chips, which makes you suspicious enough already, but in the very next game, you have Numberman Lotto codes that gives Operators Dark Chips, the very kind of Battle Chips you told Lan to NOT use!
I completely forgot you get Dark Chips from the Numberman trader! Higsby, what are you up to??
@@FlashingBladesProductions He has always been shady
Then again it could have been maliciously planted in there by outside forces
In the manga he was a bad guy but later became good
@@RandomizerGio My headcanon is that the Bug Frag Chip Traders were planted by Higsby as well
That actually makes me wonder
If the names of dead Navi's that were eventually revived with back up data are still in the grave yard area, does that mean the revived Navi's aren't the originals and the deleted ones are still gone?
This actually reminds me of that one teleportation paradox where the question is asked "is the person on the other side still you if it's made from a new set of molecules?"
Or better yet the Ship of Thesius. Is the backed up Navi still the same Navi?
In the anime the reason why the navi mark is where all the navi's core data is stored. Similar to a copy bot being a blank body and the nave being an overlay is about the same in the anime. The navi's body is mostly a digital doll while their souls are stored in their navi marks. This also explains how rock gains a double soul by gaining some of a navi's data through their marks or how they revive rock after he was deleted in season 1.
The only theory I could come up with about Mega being on all the chips, is that the PET saves the chip image with the active Navi when you get it... In the anime, the chip graphic looks like it fades when it's depleted, and there has to be some way for a blank chip to have an image when you write to it...
1:09:26 - probably not, it’s just as likely that whatever truck or chute that piled in the PETs just emptied out from top to bottom so that the bottom contents (the BN6 devices and prior) flowed to the top as a consequence. Some diving might reveal newer models underneath.
54:24 - I am so hyped to catch that review when it’s out, I wanna know what happens since I got the re-release Tomes and have no idea what’s going on. The action is great though, the Life Virus is the strongest it’s ever been in any canon and there’s a lot of great group brawls to behold.
1:04:37 YO THATS TRAINER GOLD!!
1:02:27 I distinctly remember getting these vibes when I first played the series way back when. Took me ages to stop being scared of the game to get past Gust-man in blue version.
I would like to comment on that one little bit about a plot hole being made about X being the first robot with free will. In the X series timeline, X was discovered, and all the reploids were based off of him. The original Megaman is completely unknown to these people, meaning any knowledge about Light's robotics and Megaman's tales were completely lost somehow. Plus, I believe that entry we saw about X being the first robot with free will was made by Dr. Cain, who does not have any knowledge about the original Megaman. I don't believe it's a plot hole, but rather meant to represent the loss of Light's original work.
Also, great friggin' video. I consider myelf a massive fan of Battle Network, and I wasn't aware of most of the facts in the first AND second parts. Can't wait for part 3.
The X intro is a Dr Light warning and the Megaman 7 instance is localization going rampant with changes. Classic series robots show limited free will, they can choose how to reach their programming and the more vague it is the more freedom but they in the end must reach it. That’s why reploids are special where they can choose to do whatever and think about their actions more and hesitate with X being foremost in worry and hesitation making him the most human
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer Ohhhhh, I didn't know that intro was from Light. I knew about the stuff between classic series robots and reploids, but didn't think it was necessary for my comment since I thought it was Dr. Cain lol.
1:17:01 It just occurred to me that this design is derivative of the GUMP (Gun+COMP) from the first Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers game (a spinoff of the Shin Megami Tensei series).
56:44 - As a fan of Tamers, I’m disappointed that I never caught that extreme similarity.
To be fair, the first time, I didn't really point it out until I revisited BN3 years later. If I remember, I played BN3, watched Tamers, then played BN3 some more a bit later, and it was only THEN that I noticed the similarities.
Thank you for making these iceberg videos they are great.
1:05:23 - Emphasis on loosely since PharaohMan is depicted as a formidable WWW lackey like in the games rather than an a discount manga Alpha like in the anime. Also you can fight and legitimately beat Bass in the boss rush mode.
... Raika's a dude? Huh. You learn something new every day.
@47:32
"Navis on Battle Chip Icons"
God Stone (bottom right chip) resembles an enemy from Sword Man stage of Megaman 8. Look up a walk through of the stage so you can see who I'm referring to.
The Hero Sword guy looks like a low-resolution Zero from Megaman X but without his long hair. That or the pink navi with horns mentioned earlier.
Not sure about Old Wood and the Punch chips. Like you mentioned in a new video, it resembles an Iron Man suit but the red cape also gives Ultron/Red Cowl vibes.
I think theres some dark server somewhere thats old as heck that has Shade-man on back up, and constantly stores his memory, so any time he dies it just rebuilds him and waltzs around like its nothing.
Adding to the similarity with Digimon, besides Alpha and the D-Reaper, what about NebulaGray and VenomMyotismon having almost the same abdomen (with six eyes on them) and them both being mindless beasts of evil and destruction? I know this one could be a coincidence as they could simply have similar design inspirations which I don't know about, but being a fan of both series', it always stood out to me, and I wanted to bring it up.
24:34 - A small aside, I personally posit that Network Transmission takes place during and directly overwrites the post-game of the original Battle Network. Besides you getting to rematch a bunch of the main story Navis from the first game, you also face the three superbosses (ShadowMan, PharaohMan, and Bass) in plot-driven circumstances before they become more relevant in 2.
Really worth the wait! Can’t wait for part 3🔥🔥
@3:45 funnily enough, Network Transmission was my first Megaman game, and I saw Bug Style and was enraptured but so furious I couldn’t find how to get it. It wasn’t until years later when I finally beat MMBN3 that I unlocked bug style and Hub style and actually learned what they were.
Fun little fact that ties into the navis in the real world bit. When Maylu and Roll cross fused with the rush synchro chip, they actually maintained the fusion after the dimensional area faded. Though they canceled the fusion by taking off their helmet shortly after.
rush in the anime is a full on headscratcher that somewhat continues to be perfectlly consinstent
1:08:11 That part from MM7 is only exclusive for the Western release. In the OG release, Mega Man says nothing as Wily mentioned the first law of robotics to him.
Again nice video, man (haha). But we do a have a theory on the Graveyard area.
We theorize that Graveyard area "tombs" actually alter based on the Navi who is using them. Basically the "tombs" reads the battledata from the Navi who is currently looking at them. So when Megaman uses them, it reads his battledata and shows him every navi he has battled.
As for why it shows Navis who have been revived, the "tombs" don't take that in account as it only goes by the Navi battledata which includes Navis who were deleted but revive.
So for example, say a Navi who has deleted 3 Navis and goes to the Graveyard Area, and they use the "tombs", the "tombs" will only show those 3 navis that they deleted.
Every Graveyard Area Is Personalized.
Could be kinda like Black Earth, where the mirrors reflect your soul. But that still doesn't answer the question of WHY it exists, though. Black Earth and Nebula Area are both apparently "Murkland", so that's kinda justified, but the Graveyard is still an oddity.
@@FlashingBladesProductions maybe the Graveyard area exists before Navi backups and Navi battles were common place, so when a Navi got deleted in battle, it would be a way of honoring them.
Or maybe it was originally used by criminal's Navis or solo Navi criminals to show how many Navis they deleted, maybe as a way to brag or to show how strong they were.
@@thevenomspino That......Actually makes TOO much sense. Bass DOES jump you and say that the last grave stone is reserved for Mega Man. Maybe BASS set up the Graveyard to psyche Mega Man out before trying to kill him again?
@@FlashingBladesProductions that does sound like something post BN 3 Bass would do, physiological breaking his opponents to weakening them before a fight for power.
This was amazing!
Keep up the good/hard work!
Man, what a flawless work!!!!!!!!!!!
Congratulations, my friend!!!!!!!!!!!
so initially i thought swordman's different personalities may have been a reference to kamen rider den-o but then i realized den-o actually came out 4 years later.
Maybe they share a common inspiration?
Could be possible.
So proud that I knew about almost if not all of these! Can’t wait for part 3 where I’m sure to not know much
I'll put my two cents into the "Cybeast Cult" and tie it with the "Horror Game" bit. You see, there's this author called H. P. Lovecraft, he wrote about a subgenre of horror called "Cosmic". The narrative usually involved someone getting too curious for their own good, and discovering Cults of people speaking unknown languages and Old Gods names. Like the Cybeasts are: old and so massive you can get mad just trying to comprehend their influence. Games based on it tend to have a Bad Ending, or at least a bittersweet one. The original Alone in the Dark was inspired by Lovecraft works, and most of its creatures are locked under the sea, outside our Universe, dead or sleeping. World of Warcraft was another game that drank from that fountain, but I reckon Rockman EXE goes for more of an adult fear: you never know if your kids are going to be safe from kidnappers, arsonists, terrorists, hackers and the like. This last type is so advanced and skilled that, as a normal person, I can only imagine this world is horrible to live in. Because they can force your car to keep going over a red light, or a train to lose its brakes... And there's nothing you can do, you just have to wait for an 11 year-old to show up and save the day for you!
Of course, this all ties to the supernatural entries on the Iceberg, whenever you speak of ghosts, dead humans or Navis, how they can cross the boundaries between the worlds and sometimes even those thin, blur and almost stop existing.
I like that when describing the Cybersword/Buster toy, WATCH put combat in quotations.
Like, bitch, I'd bring that to a real fight. It is both a gun and a sword, so I don't have to choose between the two. Gone are the days of showing up to ye olde duel, only to awkwardly find out your opponent left his firearm at home, but conveniently has his rapier on him.
1:03:06 kinda fun coincidence how both Mega Man and Sonic has some sort of connection with horror themes and .exe in those horror themes.
I missed a popular MMBN Creepypasta BECAUSE of the EXE tagline. I found some OTHER MegaMan Creepypastas, but missed "Reaper Scythe: Dark Chip" until a few months ago.
For the 'dangerous' CyberSword toy, I explicitly remember stabbing at my brother with it, accidentally catching him in the eye, and subsequently having it taken away by my parents T_T
So maybe 'dangerous' but no more so than any other toy sword or nerf gun, etc.
... I still miss it T_T
I still remember when I got the Nerf Longshot for Christmas and shot my sister point-blank between the eyes by accident (I didn't understand how the priming bar worked), and immediately got it taken away.
32:12 Not sure why ZX is with the crowd Capcom still cares about in this image.
First. I apologize if a detail I gave in my comment about GraveyardArea was incorrect. (Hakushaku's part)
Second: I forgot about Zap and Gauss are brother. Regal's corspe looks shockingly detailed.
And a lot of interesting details. Battle Network can get really confusing and interesting.
Really good video! I'll be patient for the third part. Take your time!
Ah, The Immortal Area? Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense as to why Hakushaku has a Graveyard Clone for his area, unless it's supposed to be a pun on how Vampires are the Living Dead. I get that they likely didn't have the room for assets to give him his own unique area, but at least make it like a pallet swap or something.
Yeah, I didn't know that until I watched the anime. I remember seeing that the first time and being like "That's weird. Why would they add that?" Kinda like how in the manga, Bubbleman and Spoutman are brothers, when in the games, Bubbleman's brother was Drillman.... for some reason.
Thank you. ^_^ thanks for your contributions!
43:33 The site actually does still exist but this particular page does not. Guess they purge archives after a while. In 2020 they gave the same warning for "WWE JUMBO SUPERSTAR FISTS" (actually called WWE _John Cena_ Jumbo Superstar Fists _Toy,_ though I am not sure why "toy" is part of the official product name) which are _plush_ fists. The Darksaber being on the list for 2020 also drew ire from Star Wars fans because of course it did. People like them are why clackers aren't a thing anymore. RIP Joseph Joestar.
32:11
If that doesn’t work then how about something similar to Pokémon Masters as in team up and interact with characters in the Battle Network series.
At 47:52 I think the reason Megaman and other known navis appear in so many Battle Chips, is the same reason we see Zero or Vile Posters, Megaman Zero carpets or Roll Casket figurines:
BN's World is a parallel to our world. Megaman is a famous franchise in their world so naturally people make net navis/battle chips based on characters from the Megaman Franchise.
If you think about it, us players ARE technically all Megaman.EXE operators just by playing the game on multiplayer, so multiple Megaman.EXE does technically exist.
This explains why Lan, Megaman and any other character never comments about why Megaman or other navis are featured in some battle chips, because in universe it's not uncommon to see the same type of navi being used. (Also note that no human character is featured in any battle chip, only navis.)
This theory goes even further if you consider BN4.5, where by default you can choose Megaman, Roll, Gutsman or Numberman to be your navi... all of them already have canonical operators and there they are, being operated by other people, the player.
Of course, none of this is canon in anyway, but I think it's a cool way to connect our world to Battle Network :)
A bridge to the human world and afterlife,”cyberspace…this is very interesting.
1:09:35 You can literally see Lan’s PET at the front of the others. A single, blue beacon of a bygone era.
I do like the idea of some next gen Navi's being a form of digitized human.
While not a megaman game. Like Halo explaining how AI are created by bombarding radiation on a donated human brain.
There was also a game named SOMA where there is a possibility of how a human can become a digitized human, by performing a brain scan, while originally to help with brain based injuries like a brain hemorrhage or possibly cancer. The idea is that the brain scan itself is a form of save state before the brain can resume. And once transferred into a body, or possibly a digital body. Uptime for the brain can resume like how actual running programs would work. And the person who was last scanned end up suddenly waking up in an unfamiliar location with their last recollection of being their brain scanned.
Another instance of unexplained Cyber folks in real life, Bn2 features an hp memory that you can only get by talking to a mr. Prog hiding in the mother computer room.
I KNEW IT! I KNEW there was a random Navi or Prog in the real world of BN2 but I couldn't remember WHERE. I thought it was a Normal Navi in Okuden Valley, but I guess not. I remember that one now, though. Thank you! I was racking my brain trying to remember where that guy was!
1:13:43 I remember that as a child Battle Network 4 confused me a lot and more because of the glitches in the game. To the point where the game got weird every time it got past that part where you beat Yuko.
Great stuff, I've been looking forward to this!
Thank you for being patient enough to see part 2!
28:13 - I only just learned about this but I already love it since that means Geo can canonically take Bass. 0:
Please, in the final part talk about the "EXE6 Anubis Soft-Lock"
And also about the Tango MMBN Rollback NetCode
Thanks for this videos, your MMBN icebergs are amazing
can you please explain the soft lock thing? I've been an mmbn fan since bn4 was released and this is the first I'm hearing of it
I remember hearing it being mentioned, but I've never come across it myself. What was the problem with it, again?
@@Blue_XIII I think it happened to me when I played EXE6 with the virtual console patch, from what I recall there is a BBS request in which you need to use the Poison Pharaoh PA, but to get the Anubis chip first you need all the Mega Chips, which includes Protoman DX and SP, problem is you can only battle ProtoSP after you complete a certain number of requests (25 I think, PA request is not actually required), since you can't cancel requests you're now locked out of fighting ProtoSP and reaching the last graveyard area.
31:33 I wonder the iceberg didn't mention Starforce was going to be Megaman battle network 7 before they canceled it, it has a 3D ACDC town in the game I believe.
it was in part one
This was just what I needed after my horrible day
I hope you have a better day tomorrow. :)
Megaman: Get your homework done, Lan!
Lan: Okay okay! ONE MORE NETBATTLE!!
Megaman: Ugh...
Oh man can't wait!!!!
Sucks that I wasnt able to catch the premiere live, but I'm glad to see this get uploaded. Hopefully we get part 3 lol.
I'll give you specifically a good enough advanced head's up!
1:08:18 rock did not have free will. The phrase you put up was a dub only statement, meaning its not canon. But even if it was, mega was unable to fire his buster, meaning despite the statement mega is still controlled by robotic law.
I'm French and I will happily help with this Battle Story manga thing !
1:29 Hades is in fact _not_ god of the dead but rather god of the underworld and also commerce (this is actually referenced in FFXIV with Nald'Thal). He has authority over the dead with his position but he is never considered a ruler of the dead in any form. Even the _Disney_ version got this right for all of its liberties, as Hades always introduces himself as "Lord of the Underworld" and that version has no qualms with abusing his position for his own gain (even resurrecting Jafar in Hercules The Animated Series and Auron from FFX instead of a KH version of him like other FF characters in Kingdom Hearts).
Just to clear it up
You can manipulate the Number Doors, to keep it short. It just requires a hard reset and a lot tighter/consistent movement/text mashing.
Ah. I knew I likely didn't get that one right. Thanks for the info!
I do recall Tterraj doing a lot of soft-resets in his runs, too. So, soft-resetting and hard-resetting give different RNG. Duly noted.
@@FlashingBladesProductions No prob! It's on us since a lot of the more minor info is scattered around the discord and the notes.
Another thing about battle network 4 is unused preview of possibly early version of ACDC town
35:43 if this is true, than that would make an reference to Duo's first appearance in Megaman 8, since in the intro cutscene Duo was fighting against a evil robot imbued with the evil energy and we know the dark chips could be a reference to the evil energy, who knows? maybe the Chaos King true form could look like an evil version of Duo? since in Megaman 8 Duo original form and the evil robot looks almost identical, only difference being the color pallets, their unique big arm is in opside directions and the evil robot has a evil face. *(well they don't call him evil robot for nothing XD)*
Keep the good work
11:50 He could have gotten the data on the other navis from Megaman himself through his battle data and memory and bit of data he collected.
17:30 It`s stated the can be duplicate of the same Navis so why is this such a big deal when each version we defeat could just be a copy.
One thing that isn't really made clear about backup data or Dark Power resurrection is whether or not it is actually JUST a copy (because if it was, then does that copy have a soul? And why not just make a bunch of copies of a super strong Navi to overwhelm Mega Man?) or if it is ACTUALLY the SAME Navi being revived with the same memories and such. The way the Darkloids speak, it sounds like actual resurrection, and not just a copy, saying things like "We've come back 3 times just to defeat you!" and such. THAT is the issue I take with Shade Man. If his soul got destroyed TWICE, then HOW is he still alive after all of that? This guy gets revived more than Dracula in Castlevania.
@@FlashingBladesProductions Base on how they are just data being it probably not hard to copy and paste the memory nor make copy/clone of said Navi and many others if they are not a unique entity like Megaman/Hub since there should be mass produce Navi in the world.
It just isn`t a thing probably because of the plot or they didn`t think of it.
@@FlashingBladesProductions Oh ok, so you do bring up Castlevania somewhere, good!
i could have an explanation for videoman's analogue weaknesses to water and magnetism, when videoman was created its possible that they compiled data on analogue style video formats. so that means all its weaknesses included, and you could say that slur created the AsteRoid version based on said data that lingered after videoman's deletion
I understand that those kind of things affect actual VHS tapes IRL, but being a Navi, Videoman's entire body is composed of computer coding, so as he exists in the Cyber World, these traits, by all logic, shouldn't apply to him. Even if he materialized in a Dimensional Area, he's STILL a Cyber Being, and is not composed of the same materials as a real physical VHS tape.
the thing about Duo and king chaos is that they got retconned by starforce (or, well, starforce is the whole concept of Duo's area expanded to the extreme) as EM beings and the relative breacks from the full on digital setup. gonna throw poltergeist navi in there as well, and basically all of the bull of wandering navi, bugs with a will of their own, the graveyard and specter to the setup that the net is by rules built over the ancient tribes spots of 'servers' due to how the rule of the world works
not really satisfying, but it ends up very clean
the navichip are supposedly created by the direct user similarly to any chip item chip like rockcube, I'd suppose that specific non-virus based chips, like muramasa work on a similar concept, a single pop, with muramasa and the other evil chip absorbing the energy from the darkchip being produced during 4&5 and altering how they work
I think Shademan's immortality is similar to Kreisnik's from devil survivor perhaps he may had to be killed in a specific way or by a specific person. In Kreisnik's case if he was killed in the first fight he becomes too strong to be killed by the vampire hunter since he didn't get weakened before killed which results in a character being killed during the second fight with Kreisnik
You mean Kudlak. Kresnik is the good guy Vampire
Thanks a lot for the video I enjoyed every bit
Thanks for sticking around to watch it!
1:12:18 - Godspeed to those madlads.
58:20 Beelzemon and Bass?! Sorry but what?! Impmon has a _completely different_ backstory where it's straight up shown he used to have human partners but ran away because they kept fighting over him, treating him like a toy... Bass on the other hand was _specifically_ designed to operate on his own. Moreover, Beelzemon wound up changing his perspective on life, even reconciling with his tamers. Cossack failed to reconcile with Bass and Bass _never_ changed his perspective on life, even if his actions wound up sparing Cossack. Also some D-Reapers have an "Alpha Decay" which has nothing to do with Alpha because its Japanese name is Proto and it's referring to Alpha radiation but an odd coincidence to be sure.
32:13 do you guys honestly believe you have it worse then ZX fans?
TRUE lmao
I wonder if any of the fandom or outside reference points I commented on will be in the final iceberg part. If not, oh well, I just thought it would be nice to mention stuff like the esports scene, at least.
8:00 so does this mean that the "canon" timeline is
1,2,3B, 4BM, 5TC, and Falzar?
Because 5TC is the one most obviously more Canon than it's counterpart it would make Raika being in RS and that timeline overall less canon
My personal take on it was that the "canon" BN4 was Red Sun (if we assume that BOTH aren't canon), and BN6 Gregar. Red Sun because Blue Moon has a few plot holes, like Tamako not remembering Lan from BN3, and Gutsman showing up to confront Laserman makes WAY more sense than Aquaman, because what if Lan didn't meet Aquaman on THIS playthrough? And likewise, if we don't use Blue Moon, we CAN'T use Falzar because of Shuko. Most works outside the games depict Mega Man getting Gregar Beast if he is only allowed ONE, like the manga, or in the anime where he gets both, he uses GBeast FIRST.
I actually have a video in the works on "what is Canon" to the BN series, but even my best justification doesn't have a perfect answer.
There isn’t really a canon version, they’re all meant to be canon. Extra colonel stuff is just offscreen in the Protoman version. If the devs said one version was canon sales would lower for the opposite version. It’s sorta best to think of the versions being vaguely fused when thinking of canon at times at least that’s how i go getting the most information
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer I could accept either/or/both being canon for BN4 and 5, but trying to say "both are canon" completely breaks the entire setup for BN6. This is one scenario where it HAS to be either/or. At least for the game's setup. If the Cybeast Cult was able to wake up Mega Man's Beast THAT easily, I don't imagine Mega Man could survive having BOTH Beasts inside him at once. He'd be torn apart from within, if not explode from the massive amount of data. The anime and manga do present the powers differently, though.
@@FlashingBladesProductions I say vaguely as in imagine someone recounting it or something since the general story is both cybeasts are released while one is captured the other is contained within the hero. The version differences is which one but in a general retelling without going into specifics it’s kind of the same
I’m pretty sure when I was a little kid I did bought a megaman cut man nt figurine on target one time and had a base figurine from a anime store. Although I don’t have them anymore including a toy dx progress pet navy with chips and all
It feels weird thinking how the Battle Network and Star Force games could be connected... But the concept for Star Force 4 does sound intriguing...
1:02:26 This sounds like it was a spooky joke entry like Wario's apparition to jump on the Sonic.exe style of creepypasta.
Sounds like it should be, but it's legit.
In classic robots have free thought but must obey the laws of robotics.
X, the reploids, and Zero have free will and can choose how they wish to live
2 things I like to mention that were both missed and highly not known.
The toys. There is another piece of merch that was exclusive to Japan. The piece in question is the Star Force pendant. That one actually has a legitimate warning that came after. I have the original V1 run of the pendant. The warning was that the original pendant (ie V1) has very sharp and pointy edges. So kids had to be extremely cautious and careful when they have them on. Since it really had the potential of kids getting injuries from this pendant. Later, it was revised to have dull points in the edges.
And the second one, it's up to the you and viewer to see if it's counts as another death. In the EXE movie, when Regal is defeated, he gets wiped out pretty damn good to where it's end result is the same as Stream. Bones and his cloak.
I remember he gets absolutely floored by Bass Cross, but the way I remember it, he still had most of his body, so I didn't really count that one.
I heard about the pendent. We were trying to keep this one to mostly EXE. If we ever do a SF Iceberg (no promises, but I can't see the future), I'm sure that'll get included.
@@FlashingBladesProductions I've not seen these around elsewhere. But exe wise, there were some mini figures that were pretty much like desk figures. I bought them years ago. Mega, proto, and a few other figures.