The "Death" of Rock Is Good for the Genre
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Rock music might not be topping the charts right now, but is that such a bad thing for the genre?
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Rock died when people started considering Imagine Dragons a rock band.
Vicious Friendly Fish very true fam
I’ll admit, I found “Radioactive” cool to listen to back in the day. Then I realized every single one of their songs sound the same.
Vicious Friendly Fish they have a couple rocking songs but overall they're clearly alternative
I can't believe I used to like their music when I was 11.
you’re not part of the mediocre hive mind that killed the genre you pretend to love at all
You can tell because of the originality oozing off the comment you left
Whoever invents mumble rock is going to make a lot of money.
isnt that what shoegaze is at least in attitude?
That already happened with Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen.
Soulja Boy
Thom Yorke already capitalized and ain't no one touching him
Mumble Gabber is the future
Rock will probably end up in the next few decades like jazz did in the 60s and 70s, it will chill out in popularity but it won’t go anywhere. People are acting like rock will just stop next year and there will be no more rock bands and all the old stuff will be wiped away, rock will always be around and have good releases coming out just like to this day there are great jazz albums coming out
The “death” of jazz was really beneficially to the genre. When styles like do-wop, rockabilly, and early rock n’ roll became more widespread, jazz became more experimental and, frankly, more interesting (looking at Giant Steps).
If rock has a similar renaissance, we’ll have a very interesting, experimental type of rock on our hands.
Jazz went plenty of places in the 60s and 70s. Guys like John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Herbie Hancock, Bill Evans, Getz/Gilberto, Charles Mingus, Chick Corea, McCoy Tyner, and so many more artists not only excelled in the styles of the past but kept the genre moving forwards. Although it wasn't necessarily in the main stream, jazz continued to excel in creativity and forward movement. It appears that every decade of jazz has adopted its own unique sound. The problem with most rock nowadays is that it doesn't seem to evolve much (although there are many many exceptions). All genres of music eventually fade from the mainstream and just like you said there will always be great music in every genre of music (along with the shitty cookie cutter garbage) its just about going out there and finding that good music!
That Sons of Kemet album from last year is a fucking great jazz album.
I mean Vanilla rock has been dead for a while, but I still greatly enjoy it
the best jazz albums came out in the 60s and 70s tho
Rock music did die.
Now its in heaven.
Since rock music is no longer the zeitgeist, that means it has no allegiances, no more status quo live up to, no crowds to please, no checklist to fill out. Now that rock has freed itself from the chains of the charts, it can be whatever it wants to be.
liam shope How is it in heaven if god is dead?
Its just in its own little corner smoking with the metal kids and the jazz kids
That's why metallica still sells out arenas wherever they go. Charts dont mean shit, metal is stil very much alive and thriving in the underground.
@@ryanbollinger1759 Metallica arose from very respected cult metal act to the mainstream go to metal act, it kinda has special status among all the metal bands, so they are exception. I agree that there's bunch of metal audience in the underground tho, from oldschool sound to the newer djenty sound, but there's little innovation.
Legendary bands can sell out arenas (combined audience of old fans bringing new fans mostly, i.e. parents bringing their kids) but less famous great bands from the past really can't, and there are even slimmer chances of new bands achieving Metallica status, so once these legends all retire there probably won't be new acts selling out arenas. I know people will mention bands like Greta Van Fleet, but these bands are pretty much retro/tribute bands, they give almost nothing new to the genre and if they're able to sell out arena than it's pretty much only because of nostalgia or replication of certain moments from the past for those who haven't had the chance to experience it.
@@davorbrijacak In terms of innovation, what do you think of al of the prog bands? They're always innovating and doing everything different. Like Dream Theater, Tool, Opeth, Periphery, Devin Townsend, you name it. Theres so much innovation and never before seen style in prog metal that it's insane to say there isnt
Cal will revive rock with his new album
Hahahahhaah I just saw something very hideous! I looked in the mirror! But I am the best UA-camr of this generation so it is all good! Thanks for you attention dearD addy Steart
@@AxxLAfriku yes you are
I sure as hell hope we aren't thinking about the same cal
@@ok-wj3px I mean cal chuchesta of course
@@daddystewart close one😅
“It’s over Melon I have the high ground” - Nu Metal fans
Fuh you
Haha
Quality Prequel meme reference. I’m feeling a decent 7 trans-
Huh
Rather listen to Limp Bizkit than cardi b
Do people who only listen to "chart music" actually care about the music ? I think its a more of a in-the-background-type of listening like in the car etc
N3wYorkKnicks check out the channel Todd in the Shadows, he’s a pop music focused music reviewer, definitely cares about the music.
probably not they probably just listen to it cuz its popular.
N3wYorkKnicks most people who listen to top 40 aren’t too interested in music (some people just naturally don’t like the sound of music), haven’t had the opportunity to expand their taste or are literal kids. but i think this is happening a lot less since we’re in the age of streaming and everything is free
@@benh1496 when exactly did I talk about rock?
@@Cam_P_Bell i can definitely tell about my friend tho. He says that Rock is dead, because there are no chart toppers nowadays.
He listens to allot of Cardi B, JB, etc. The reason? "Well that's what's in today's trend, and listening to them makes me look cool" is his reply. He has zero percent ability to judge a song, and only goes for popularity. He listens to MJ not because of the music, but because it makes him look "cool". He's still a great dude to hang out with tho, and I don't make friends just based on some silly opinions like these. But still, it makes me sad.
I'm currently 19 btw
i feel like people forget that rock is still thriving in subgenres like indie rock and psychedelic rock. and honestly, i think the main reason why rock itself hasn’t really had any great artists is because people are too stuck on the stuff from the last century.
Yep.
I wouldn't say thriving, but it's still definitely alive. It's a tiny shadow of it's former self in the mainstream though.
People forgot that King Gizzard exist.
That's not rock.
Imagine a world where Imagine Dragons is your favorite rock band unironically
That or 21 pilots
sadly that is our world.
"DIE MEDDLN REIN ALLER" as we say in germany
STOP
@@florida_mane6267 at leats 21p has rock songs
RIP Dwayne Johnson he was my favorite wrestler
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Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson
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Dwayne "The Johnson" Rock
I genuinely think the future of rock music is in indie rock, as opposed to “classic” rock, it is a subgenre that encourages creativity and pulling from other genres, and with the way music is now published and with the ease of buying recording gear, literally anyone with a guitar and a DAW can make it.
Also if you look at music trends over time, things absolutely go in cycles. In the 80s pop music ruled the charts, then in the early 90s grunge and rock became popular, then rnb and hip hop took over in the late 90s, then rock in the form of nu metal and punk pop in the early 2000s etc
NOT ME! This may be the dumbest shit I’ve ever read. There’s so much more to music than that. By those standards anyone and everyone can have a hit record because everyone has a computer and can make music on that. It’s more complex than that.
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I mean Spoon is amazing so hell yeah
I wouldn’t even call it indie rock most indie music is more poppy and electronic influences. Most indie rock has like the Mac demarco psyche twang or the folk guitar thing. I like Mac but everyone is trying to sound like him.
@not me EXACTLY
Every time I hear this "Rock is dead" I die a little inside.
I feel the same way coz I make Rock related songs
I respect your opinion Melon but calling Kendrick Lamar the "future of Rock 'n Roll" seems a little far fetched
of course dude. Maybe someone should ask Kendrick to do a rap rock nu metal EP and then the rappers will start doing rock albums and then the rappers will revive rock
I know it will never happen but I’ll never stop praying for Kendrick X Morello. They both have really powerful political messages. I think they’d go really well together.
The Maine. Highly Suspect. Circa Survive. Thrice. Nuff said
@@nedkuczmynda3782 professional victims. fk kendrick .. Morello at least got some real cred with his history being backbone of RATM
David R. Cohen so lemme get this straight. Morello has Cree but Kenny doesn’t?
Rock needs to appeal to Gen Z, not Millenials, if its going to be revived
yeah fuck millenials, tbh
yung ebola that’s why you don’t get respect from us... y’all constantly diss us 😂 old ass mf’s
I’d personally rather hear a band who doesn’t give a fuck about trying to be the ~voice of a generation~. That’s part of why there’s so much garbage out there
I agree! The new generation has so much it could offer.
Millenials need to all be infected with Ebola
Still waiting for Jazz to come back
Wait when did it leave??
good point; I suspect rock is the new jazz, in which case it will not come back
It has with the likes of Beth Hart and Melody Gardot. One of Beth Hart's numbers was translated into Vietnamese where it became popular there.
Kamasi?
If you're into rap, check out Kill Bill and Rav. A good bunch of their songs are jazzy/blues style. If you want something less experimental, check out To Pimp a Butterfly.
I've come to accept that rock and especially metal music will never gonna be as big as they were in the early 90's. And frankly Metal doesn't need the mainstream, it never did anyway, thanks to Bandcamp, Spotify and the internet in general Metal can have a wide reach and keep it's anti mainstream integrity, the audience is already there and Metalheads will always flock around the bands and artists, be it in metal festivals or bars.
nahh.if you check out schoolboys, few of them are metalheads now, because there is only underground activity. a lot of them are listening to rap crap because when you are young, you follow the current to be hip and enter some kind of community, and because the metal and rock community is going smaller over the years, fewer bands are formed. also a band wants 4 or five people. rap or techno, you can do it diy , and this form is easy nowadays via internet. it isnt like the 80s where you either go out or stay in your room and hit your head in the wall. times changed, so music.
The 90s was a shitty time for rock music
It's kinda sad...I'm 14 and I love Rock and metal ;-;
@@jumpman2326 2000s*
The rock's downfall started in 90's.
Rock isn't dead, it just smells funny
Rock ain’t dead, it’s alive and well, if it died indie kids wouldn’t survive the smell
CAN YOU SMELL WHAT THE ROCK IS COOKING
@@MichaelGrey11 Fuck that was such a dope cypher.
Dale Sedgwick whose cypher was it?
It’s also sleeping, in a dark, dark hole.
*_when someone throws a rock at the roll and it dies_*
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*Tenacious D plays in background*
to be a rock and not to roll
Imagine 30 or so years from now we will have 'dad rap' much like we have 'dad rock' now
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The people who complain that rock is “dead” are old dudes that only ever listened to what was super popular and now that rock isn’t as mainstream they think it’s gone
Amen!
Try to make a living in the music industry playing rock. No chance. Now try to make a living in the music industry playing rap or trap. Piece of cake. You see what Im saying?
@@thatbandcalledamanda please shut up
@@starchysgraveyardshift did I say something wrong?
@@thatbandcalledamanda yes, you did. If you think it’s “easy” to make a living in the music industry in ANY genre then you are saying something incorrect
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Forget greta,van fleet , all we need is a RUSH coverband who wear kimonos and have a screaming singer
You mean Death Grips?
That's just thundercat bro
Caden Robl care to elaborate?
@@USSRussia88 shit bruh. /mu/ I guess
And then we need a GG Allin coverband that rolls around in its own shit for the kids who don't like prog rock.
i think, and this is a problem for music in general, a lot of people are simply scared of not being in the main stream. they look at the number of play being less than 1 million, and they're scared of the possibility that they might like something that most people would consider them weird for. casual music listeners are /terrrified/ of the mere thought of enjoying music that won't connect to most other people. of being a weirdo.
Actually the exact opposite is true.
Urkh Müllerbach Holy shit that was so on point.
i love being a weirdo
@@salsaandbrwx1449 no it’s not. People like whatever is popular
@@salsaandbrwx1449 Only for fantano viewers and /mu/ users lol
"Pop music sounds entirely different now than it did in the 1980's"
80's styled synthpop throwbacks has been one of the biggest prevailing trends of this past decade though.
@dooder It does indeed.
Skipthony Adtano 0:59
Good topic with an interesting point but did you really have to say Jimi Hendrix’s music didn’t count because he’s black
Personally I think these kind of points he makes actually makes his videos more enjoyable and agreeable.
He’s a liberal beta male everything is about white guilt and race lol
@@AlejandroSanchez-kt2nx I've never seen this guy give any black artist a negative review. Literally never.
@@spungoflex3285 Hopsin.
@@AlejandroSanchez-kt2nx Did you have to be political. Who cares if he's liberal or conservative. Get a life and STFU. Or just don't comment.
An average Reply...: (Gasp) O he's a liberal, he loves hillary and obama, how dare he (gets cutten off)
Me: I just said STFU and go home. And it just amazes me how the word liberal is a very big insult today. Both parties suck really and I said get a life.
a big reason why rock is "dead" (i'll be honest I used to think rock was dead until I heard the new daughters album) is because of how much higher there is of an entry point as opposed to rap. you got to get 3 other people, you have to buy thousands of dollars in instruments and amps, you have to practice a lot, to tour you have to carry all that equipment around, to record you have to go to a studio and spend hours making sure everything's miked - or you could pirate fl studio and buy a $50 Mic from Walmart. what sounds easier?
you don't need a big budget for a rock song. you can create a track in fl studio and record guitar at home.
So in other words, modern artists don’t have talent
Theps4guy lol if you actually think that then you haven’t searched at all for the right bands
Theps4guy even if i hate the modern pop scene i have to undeniably say the people who make it have some talent, but there are just some people who i dont understand how they even got famous, like lil dickey, he has the music skills of a braindead wombat and still he is popular? Like idk man
Probably why there's a trend of solo rock artists in indie atm
Rock has been fading since like 2010, and now currently it's the most dead it's been for several decades. At least in the mainstream. A lot of these previous rock bands are now using electronics and synthesized beats and are almost unrecognizable. I can appreciate some modern music, but it's sad that pressing play on a laptop has largely replaced actually playing instruments. I hope we have another "Nirvana" that says screw the trends, and brings rock back to more than a niche.
But we can't have the same sound as "Nirvana" again. We need to do like The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen, Nirvana but with new sound & new fashion, otherwise rock won't ever appeal or be "cool" to a new generation.
@@gx1tar1er I meant it more in the way that Nirvana shook up what the current trends were at the time, and less about how they actually sound. I don't think the exact Nirvana sound would have the same effect today.
Rock isn't dead. It just isn't as prevalent as it used to be. Plenty of underground bands and indie rock bands in the mainstream.
Edit: Just to clarify when I say mainstream Im referring to the indie bands not the underground bands
This comment was for those "le wrong generationers" not his content
@@michaelwilson2430 wannabe boomers
@@michaelwilson2430 Ehh, most of le wrong generations kids either grew up or got pointed towards good new rock bands. I don't see as much of "I wish I was born in the 1990s Nirvana was the last GOOD band!" shit
The Clickbait Guy How can an underground band be in the mainstream?
"underground bands...in the mainstream" girl that's an oxymoron
1:05 While this seems like Anthony doing his interpretation of Chopin's funeral march, it's actually him having an Alzheimer's attack.
Mr.Pat LISTEN TO MY NEW SONG:))
alzheimer’s attack isn’t a thing
@@WalkingExecution that's why it's funny otherwise it'd be sad
An Alt-Weimar attack? He's got PTSD about how terrible he thinks the Weimar Republic was? Are you saying he's a fucking nazi?????
Play it on mute for optimal viewing.
Enough about Gretel’s Damn Feet
I feel like rock will get revived after 2020 or so, I feel like people will get tired of rap, some already are, the way they got tired of rock getting repetive and oversaturated during the 80s. Unless rap is going to evolve in some way it will eventually become "dead" like rock did
rap will never die just its sub genres
Rap won’t die in the next 10 years it may die down but it won’t ever die rap will evolve
Rap today sounds nothing like it did in the 2000’s, which sounded nothing like it did in the 90’s, which sounded nothing like it did in the 80’s, to the 70’s etc
Rap is constantly evolving, and wth the lack of gatekeeping and elitism that surrounded rock, it’s going to stick around for the majority of the century.
Cherry Azul how has it stayed the same for the last few years. We saw trap mature from the waka flocka lex luger days, emo rap and screamo infused rap are starting to form into cohesive sounds. Mumble rap became a thing like 3 years ago.
Am I the only one that thinks R&B will probably be the next step in the evolution of music/rap if it has not already happened?
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Joel
I think that it’s not a genre war. It’s a pop music war. In the 80s it was hair metal bands, and then it was rap. It went back to “rock” in the 90s but that wasn’t because there were rock fans. There were Nirvana fans, and nirvana just happen to be a rock band. So, everybody made Nirvana sounding music. That music happen to be rock. Then it went back to rap, because people liked a certain huge project, and then everybody followed. Now we have hit the most diverse point. Where everybody is everywhere and pop is now focused on Drake, and Halsey. So, now we have pop rap, and emotional minor key pop music. Rock music is not going to come back, as much as a band will come and top the charts, and they will just happen to be a rock band.
Never say never!
I guess....👍
Genius
Pop music is not that popular in the US anymore. I would say that trap music dominates the charts and Latin influences.
jin What pop music are you talking about? Is this trash hip hop we hear today not considered pop music?
@@jivet3919 No. I mean, by the original definition of the word (music that is popular), it is. But typically 'pop' is invoked to describe something altogether different from rock or rap. Think: New Kids on the Block, Britney Spears, the Backstreet Boys, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, post-country Taylor Swift, etc.
We need more rock bands to speak about politics and war and the way this world is. Rock was so big back in 70 80’s because they were so angry about what the hell was happening on this planet and it gave people a reason to listen. If as rock fans we can get over the Break ups and heartache song and about how depressed we are, because we all know that’s getting played out and talk about more important things then I think we have a shot.
Rock isn't dead. Just in a coma.
But Anthony I like my disgusting bulky leather wallet :v
Yeah and I keep mine in my side pocket not my back
Well he's vegan and he is demading you to get rid of it and buy that 50 doller steel wallet
@@josephtafur just an ad to pay the bills sir
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Is this why Muse tried to Capitalise on Synthwave?
That album was fuckin' awful.
One of the most cynical cash-grabs I've ever seen. Most Synthwave artists were disgusted by it as well.
To be fair, Muse has always loved electronic music and experimenting with different sounds. I wouldn’t say it was purely a cash grab
@@anthonysclafani3963It's just way too convenient. Especially when Synthwave has just made the mainstream, as well as 80s revivalism
@@jackwright-jones972 I agree with the 80s revivalism, you can tell they really love Stranger Things. I'm not saying it's not at all convenient, I'm just saying it's not surprising for them to move in this direction
I'm from Gen Z, and I know of plenty of people that listen to the good 'ol rock and roll days. Those songs and albums are gems of history and truly will never die.
You do know as long as there's a kid in his bedroom practicing with his guitar, listening to old records, that rock won't die right? It can't die. In fact, a lot of us have both Led Zeppelin, Kendrick Lamar, and Bach in one playlist.
These days we have the Internet and we now don't need the Billboards or record labels to determine what music we should or should not jam to. We don't need to have record labels to make music either as it can all be made in our houses.
The only thing that truly will die is large corporate centralizing of music. The record labels don't have as much leverage anymore.
i dont know why this is surprising. Many forms of pop music had a beginning and an end. Rock is just the next one.
1. big bands/swing - was popular in the turn of the century through the 20s
2. Crooners/big band - was sort of born out of swing bands with frank sinatra and the like and stayed popular through the 40s.
3. Jazz - was sort of born out of the big band era during the On the Road beatnik hipster era whos prime ran out in the 50s
4. The Blues followed and ran popular through the 50s.
5. Rockabilly/early rock n roll was born out of the blues and reigned supreme in the 50s but gave way to rock in the 60s
6. Rock - was born out of rock and roll and lasted all the way through the 90s. It lasted longer than the others because it had more media/technology sustaining it longer than the others but it too, just the precursors, has run its race as a primetime popular subcategory of pop music. All of these by the way still remain in one form or the other, theyre just not at their peak anymore, rock included.
@Shashwat mishra what????? U missed the point by a 1000 miles.
Sound cloud rockers
People that dress like sound cloud rappers but can actually play instruments
Thats how you revive rock😂
SuperVro tim from polyphia is a great example of that lol
That is not far from the truth. Lil peep is a good example
octopusievideos but peep wasnt in a band with people playing the guitar and drums
@@supervro3071 it still has the same distorted guitar sound.
I gotchu
Good insight, but did you really have to propose to cal chuchesta in the middle of the video?
That’s literally what tied the video together
But I was glad Cal knows better than to say yes to this despicable man.
Rock began its resurgence with Boarding house reach; within 20 years rock will be recontextualized and alive and as vibrant as ever
Tony Cortapassi doubt it, but that would be cool
I think rap, specifically trap and other similarly situated genres are so popular because they’re so easy for anyone who has a voice and a microphone to create.
You don’t actually have to have much talent or practice very hard to serviceably make a trap song. You can buy a beat off the internet, write a couple of simplistic verses around the same 4-5 themes as everyone else and a monotone chorus and you’re basically already there.
It’s incredibly simple and it doesn’t take much more any teen on the street with no money to get into.
Compare that to rock where you actually have to learn how to play an instrument competently or at least learn how to sing well enough to carry a song. You also have to learn the compositional elements necessary to create music in your genre. Rock bands don’t use downloaded beats and if you steal the same motifs as another band you might get sued. And oh yeah, if that isn’t hard enough, find 2-4 other people with the same idea as you that learned different instruments and also want to play music in the same genre.
I don’t think rap is unpopular now because it’s not creative or inventive. Almost every rock artist of the past 40 years has had more thematic and sonic variety than say a pretty good trap artist like City Morgue.
I think it’s unpopular because the creative young people who would have before put in the effort to learn an instrument well and learn how to write music have gravitated to the path of least resistance which is the homogenized soundcloud rap scene.
The music industry b dead yo. Can’t monetize the actual music anymore so why put any effort into it? Record labels are just pumping advertisement friendly garbage pop rock. Can’t wait to hear the next imagine draggies single on 10 different commercials.
People think rock is dead because rap/hip-hop is now more widely listened to than rock by people age 40 or less. People still like rock, and rock is still widely listened to, it just isn't the *most* listened to. And obviously, rock music isn't exactly at it's best right now (and I don't exactly think rap is either).
Also, "rock" used to be a catch-all term for music that featured an electric guitar, or music that wasn't rap or blues. Even since just the 90s, we have so many more subsets of genres and so many more instruments that were born from the digital age that music that would have been considered "rock" 20-50 years ago is now considered something else.
*me crawling out of my cave, death metal blaring*
"Huh? What? Rock is dead?"
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Me for the past decade, didn't even realize until I started teaching Gen Z and saw there was really nothing guitar driven other than anime openings. I was so into my metal bubble I didn't notice lmao
@@DarthBleh The only real exception I've seen is the sort of trap and pop infused math rock a la Polyphia is getting popular, but it's definitely still niche.
To me, rock seems to be setting up to take a similar place as jazz in the cultural sphere. It still has a thriving fan base and continues to have some influence the mainstream long after its heyday (i.e. records like To Pimp A Butterfly) but "pure" records of the genre rarely become major hits.
Good thing this happened. Rock can now change for the better. Period of rebirth for the Genre.
Renaissance baby uwu
The Phoenix will rise from the ashes eventually.
like the other millions of times. rock will find a way unlike jazz
So what are some 2010 good rock band
I think a big part of it is that rock artists like Metallica are so anal about copyright while rap is an inherently additive genre. Sampling comes right in time for the Internet age.
True look at la di da by Slick Rick
I forgot this aspect of it
It’s true though
At some point the rock n rollers took it as too much of a job and an income source that they locked it up for only those that could pay
That’s not UNFAIR obviously but growing up it was always easier to find and be surrounded by hip hop and rap because of this in my own case anyway
"rap is an inherently additive genre"
That's a funny way of saying "derivative and uncreative"
@@kaktotak8267 tbh, rap definitely makes up for, in lyrical technique that which it lacks in instrumental technique. & I do not just mean the meaning behind the lyrics, I mean wordplay, entendres, double-triple rhymes, Complex flows, punchlines & all that shit. I am a metalhead/hip-hop fan but honestly, metal/rock never had as great of a lyricism as rap does. Ofcourse u can point me out all the mumble rappers of today, but I can point out the same about the generic top 20 rock bands. Imagine dragons, Nickelback, etc. Etc. Rapping doesn't require learning & mastering instruments, but it does require mastering of wordplay & literature, language, etc.
@@piyushvaidya5086
Fair point. But none of that pertains to music per se.
I believe that it will come back
And eventually a new sound will come along
More forces creativity and at the same time a total freedom
IMO rock “died” because of the elitism of its listeners. Most rockers always looked down on pop, rap, electronic, etc. That elitism never allowed it to evolve
Daniel Lete No, it died because it evolved too much. Do you not remember the hiphop elements of much rock music in the 90s and Nu metal?
@@1m2a3t4t5 Nah, it died because it didn't evolve fast enough in the 2010s. Rap today is very different from rap just 10 years ago, what with the preponderance of mumble rap and the emergence of 'emo rap'. It even looks vastly different. Nobody looked like 6ix9in in 2009. Rock today is mainly the same four things it was in 2009: jangly indie rock, metal music with cookie monster vocals, nostalgia trips for those in 'le wrong generation', and Coldplay sounding Brit-shit. And the rock 'stars' all look the same as they did 10 years ago as well. Either they're going for a 'vintage look', they're just blokes in shirts and jeans, or they're metal dudes in black clothes with long greasy hair and a band t-shirt. Compare that to how vastly different rock stars looked in 1958 vs 1968 or 1975 vs 1985.
Nu Metal's experimentation with hip hop helped to keep metal from going stale and falling out of the mainstream. It's embrace of the synthesizer in the late 80s (with acts like Ministry leading the way) was also a big part of the 90s boom. Metal was actually getting significant radio play in the late 90s and early 00s. Marilyn Manson was a legitimate 'rock star' making headline news every now and then, like Elvis did in the 50s, Bowie did in the 70s, etc.
Vatsala काली Jhaveri I agree with you man. Nice comment btw (and 6ix9ine is an overlooked metal icon imo lol).
But yeah in terms of evolution you listed it all out, as well as why the trajectory of what it all turned into wouldnt appeal to people on a large scale.
Its all inevitable when we list it out like that. For instance Nirvana sounded like shit to me when I first heard them around 2008 or so because it reminded me of the watered down version of it that it influenced on the radio prior. That was a time (2008) of emo bands, which is no wonder something like that wouldnt last either.
Perhaps rock is alive Through todays rock. I believe rock is mostly dead too, but so is hiphop. And a lot of the great rock of today is being released in the form of extreme metal (which I love) but is a niche that doesnt appeal to mainstream audiences, and theres probably too much of it, talented rock musicians of today have been interested in going into similar sounding extreme metal, forgettable/unnoticeable indie stuff, or in some cases emo infused soundcloud trap.
It is in my humble opinion that the rock icon of the moment is Ghostemane (while not in wide popularity perhaps) with Bones and even $B in that same vein. Sorry if this comment is a mess, I dont have time rn to type a concise reply.
Well rock overall is better. Unless your deaf.
Spaghetti Boy nah people jus lost good taste in music and decided to call mumbling shit music
I completely agree with the statement about how you shouldn’t care if it’s popular if it touches you is what should matter. Personally I find the more niche bands or sounds are the ones I tend to gravitate to.
King Gizzard are our only hope
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Oskar Bonoe There are loads other good, modern rock bands though. They're not alone
The dead pirates where cool
All Them Witches
I don't give a crap what people are into, I'll still continue to listen to all the music I've loved for the last 50 years. Everything from ABBA to ZZ Top, classical to 21st century, jazz, ska, reggae, psychedelic, punk, new wave, heavy metal, swing, brit-pop, latin, bossa nova, exotica, prog rock, glam rock, and everything in between.
i feel like the way that hip hop is moving, rock could be revived in the near future
Wait. This isn’t the Seinfeld theme.
Rock is dead just for now. Genres are never dead forever
I don't think music or music culture ever dies. It's just not as popular, and that's not a bad thing in my opinion. As a hip hop fan, I miss the days where rap wasn't so oversaturated
Thanks dead head man
Tell that to Disco!
@Llewis Budd we got emo rap
@@thegroove14 too soon man, too soon
Since small local music venues are closing left and right, could it be said that live music is dying ?
It’s weird that in the same decade, Indie Rock bands we’re sharing the Hot 100 top 10 in 2012, and some of it carried over to 2013.
The first half of the decade feels really different musically compared to the latter half.
Makes this mainstream rap explosion from the mid/late 2010s all the more overhyped.
I think we need another band like the white stripes or the strokes. Someone to reinvent the Rock wheel and lead the charge on a new wave of rock.
Strokes are trash. White stripes are ok. But please no more garage rock so boring.
R Dubya heresy
White Stripes didn’t really reinvent anything. Strokes kinda have a punk-surf rock-pop sound. Some bands seem like nobody can match their sound, namely Radiohead and Red Hot Chili Peppers. In terms of bands formed in the 2000’s, Tame Impala and Grizzly Bear are some of my favorites, but even they have their influences, especially the former.
Hmmm here’s my opinion and my idea:
SoundCloud Hair Metal.
Elizabeth Rock music gotta have that masculinity rebellious attitude like it did in the 70s and 80s. My opinion. But hey it doesn’t it have to be hair metal it be a range of influences but something new that’s gonna stand with today’s pop culture and the entertainment industry
The great thing is most modern rock artists can finally live the dream of most of the artists from previous eras. No papparazis, no money in the bank, no depressing record deals, no evil media exposure, no stressing tours, no overwhelming fame, no shallow groupies. Just your day-time job, and your music, the end game of DIY and the ultimate underground. Cool.
It has energy with gen z. Would be nice to have a band like Queen again.
The blues, classic, and alternative rock have all been done. Attempts at reviving the 60s and 90s (which were great) hampered rock evolution almost as much as popular mediocre rock bands in the 00s. Let's hear a new sound.
Let's hear some duckcore
@degree7
Only the fashion and the films.
Elvis ain't shit.
@degree7 ma gurl sister rosetta tharpe too
Who would have thought that music genres that provide less marketing opportunities get less exposure than genres that provide more?
Rock music doesn't have the huge widespread appeal anymore. In the 90's and some of the 00's there were certain bands that united people in a big way. Now you have all these niche bands playing to smaller audiences. That's all well and good if you want the more intimate experience but the huge arena filling bands are dying off and I think that kinda sucks for the next generation. Electronic music is just far more relevant these days.
If Rock never becomes mainstream again, I’d be totally down for it. This would give the genre so much room to go and innovate its sound. The big labels have been holding it down on its chains for so long, and rock is finally breaking free.
I don't think it's entirely fair to say the popular music wasn't "The good stuff." Sure the top 100 hits had weak things like the top 100 hits does now. However that's like saying 2010s rap wasn't good because Migos and similar artists are weak. The "Counterculture" is always where the good and still popular music has been. See Death Grips now. Nirvana in the 1990s. Metallica and Megadeth in the 1980s. There was always good and popular rock just like nowadays there is good and popular rap
Death Grips aren't and will never be popular, I guess
@@dalekcydonia9588 They're fairly popular for an "underground" act... 400k monthly listeners this month on Spotify, millions of streams... That's moderate success
@@dalekcydonia9588 they are definitely popular. Nowadays with streaming platforms and UA-cam being popular doesn't mean "being on the radio and tv" anymore
Brad Zeringue of course there’s always good music in the mainstream, but at any given moment most of the absolute most popular music will be mediocre and same sounding.
In today's age you really DON'T want to be popular, aka. be on TV or radio. Seriously, "popular" means accessible, which means that the most boring person you can think of will most likely like the same music as you do. Whether you want to admit it or not, but most people let music define their identity. Imagine if suddenly every person you know irl liked death grips, you wouldn't feel special anymore.
The next reboot of rock (might) have to be from entirely new acts, as so many of these metalcore bands who are becoming rock bands are afraid of or are getting called sellouts by their cancerous, edgy fanbase
all these bands peaked in like 07-09 when metalcore was popular. the people in the bands were like 19. good on them for changing their sound
Patrick-P _Gibson-G LISTEN TO MY NEW SONG
Changing sound isn’t “noble” in itself. Change is important, but quality is as well. We shouldn’t praise bands like BMTH for writing generic, awful, soulless pop songs. It has nothing to do with being edgy. Exploring new sounds is fantastic, but not if you are clearly bad at it.
dooder Exactly. And I hate the straw man argument “if you don’t like it, you’re just a dumb metalhead who can’t appreciate a band that is evolving”. I appreciate bands who evolve and successfully change their sound. What I don’t appreciate is bland, terrible songwriting.
dooder melon is definitely a metalhead, but I have to admit he’s been hating on a lot of modern stuff lately, which makes me a bit sad. I think there’s definitely good alternative metal acts out there, if you’re willing to look.
Rap and hip hop need to die off too.
It's hitting that hair metal self-indulgent bloated era of itself and unless it's infused with something genuinely authentic and sincere within it as a true art form and not the default mainstream sound, it's gonna become an even more of a parody of itself, fading away unlike something self aware should know better per integrity.
I’m the guy who’s gonna bring it back, just you wait.
Been a lover of rock music all my life.
Where did it go wrong? Became overly commercialised and nice in the late 00s, turned into pop music for 14 year old. Then died as a mainstream force. Since then it's been artists imitating 70s bands. Nothing new or original. Got all this recording equipment, got all those wild new guitar effects pedals. Yet no ones pushing the boat and making anything definitively new.
Before it ended up in mumble rap hell. Hip hop this decade has been quite original, far fresher than hip hop was last decade.
Rock musicians step it up. Stop copying your favourite 70s band or 90s alt rock band and make something new.
That's one of the issues with rock. Rock has a sound to it where people are going to recognize it as rock. Of course it's going to sound "old" because it will loose its rock sound if they start to sound new,. A couple of new sounding songs are Caught Out In The Rain and Baby Shot Me Down both by Beth Hart and both sung at the Royal Albert Hall. Both have elements of jazz, blues and rock yet don't have the traditional sound of any of those genres.
ua-cam.com/video/I7UjlrhZ57Q/v-deo.html how is rock dead when music like this exists?
“MuMbLe RaP”
@@nessy3098 lmao
Drums, bass, guitar and a singer is the greatest combination of instruments ever.
Uhhh ever heard of a piano/keyboard
nope, that's not the greatest anymore tbh. Real drums lack bass that modern computer kicks have. And guitars are nice but sometimes are too loud and annoying. The best is just a trap beat.
Albert Kocharyan Too little bass from actual drums? Guitar being too loud? Either that’s a joke or that whole comment is.
@@TheTechAndScience you know what I'm talking about and no one cares because that style is not popular anymore.
Albert Kocharyan It doesn’t matter what’s popular, there’s more than enough bass in well recorded drums. The excessive bass that is popular is nothing but low frequency vibration trying to trick you into thinking that it grooves. Trap beats sound like shit.
Probably sometime in the mid 2020s it will start getting popular again but in a new incarnation different from what we knew in the 2000s to early 10s
Thought I was going to totally disagree with you on this one, but you came through with a lot of good points. I don’t agree that the most popular rock artists were bad, and going only 30 years back doesn’t do the genre justice. Going back through the 70s and 60s you’ll find amazing artists on the charts.
And yeah, there rock really needs a new sound. Lots of uninspired bands, but that goes for every genre; look at all the trap rappers. There’s no new sound in rock that’s getting everyone’s attention, like trap is for rap music. It’s fun to look for it, though.
My biggest concern is that I just don't know if there is a way for a rock band to make it big in the contemporary demographic without sounding sickeningly watered down. Rock will always have a place in the underground though.
There's not even really a profitable niche as the "emo" fashion culture is on its last leg and even that music isn't much to look back on fondly. The popular counter culture today is being a hipster and they by at large settle with music from the past.
It'll sadly be a long time if ever that rock will get big again in a form that people can be happy to see it in.
wrong about the emo era, some amazing albums there
They would have to do something completely new
Fair enough Melon, but there was no need to say the death of xxxtentacles was good for the culture
Me pooping on your face would be good for the culture
Fuck xxxtension. He had had his death coming to him
They hated Melon for he spoke the truth
but....it's true though?
Didn't really mind him saying that, but kidnapping small children who look like him and beating them to death on camera was probably overkill.
But melon, Greta Van Fleet is gonna save rock music! Have you heard them, they have a classic sound without the need for a new twist! It’s like blast in the ass I mean from the past!
Rafael Rodriguez i think you missed the joke
@@_SonOfTheKing_ r/whoosh
@@miguelpereira9859 of course the SOAD fanboy uses Reddit phrases
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Don't let this distract you from the fact *THEY'RE TRYNA BUILD A PRISON*
@@miguelpereira9859 r/ihavereddit
Just wait until the early 2020's. There will be a new bad similar in vain to Nirvana that will blow up out of nowhere. Rap/Hiphop is so overplayed now its lost its luster, just like rock did in the 2000s. Music is cyclical and the cycle is coming back to rock now! Just give it some time
P the 2000s were a great decade for rock.
Tool, porcupine tree, the strokes, jack white
@@Mothlover69 i agree, but those years showed a decline in rock as a whole. there where still great bands in that era though
P popularity doesn't make music better, look at Justin Bieber and baby
@@Mothlover69 i never said that. but, chances are if a band is popular they make good music
That's not really how it works, though. When was the last time you heard modern popular music that sounded like music from the 1930s? As much as I like it (and metal), I predict rock will die the same way and become a oversaturated, forgotten genre.
That part about "bringing you closer to the music" Is such a good point, not really a rockist myself but having your own style and sound and niche and not just following the herd is great for the soul
100% agreed. In my lifetime (grew up in the 90’s and early 2000’s), I think rock/metal now in many ways is better than it ever has been. So many albums released in the past handful of years that have quickly become some of my favorite rock releases ever. Even more so than some classic albums. I like that it’s out of the mainstream now. Like you said, less people out there trying to cash in...And I’m completely okay with that.
Im a fan of bands like cleopatrick with "youth", or Highly Suspect, The Blue Stones,The Blackwater Fever, and maybe even Groups such as sir Sly, Barns Courtney,and Black Mountain.
I think this year will be great for rock. The next decade will be great. These rappers are opening the doors for new rock music
no they are showing us how generic they are
Luke Jezza EXACLY, people will get tired of that, and when that happens rock will have a chance
@@aerozepelli6576 how do you think rock died
Shoutout to JPEGMAFIA for killing Rock.
I think Post Malone could capture the generation similar to someone like Cobain, if he took a stab at a rock album. I truly do. He’s got that gritty, dirty, I don’t give a fuck attitude that young people gravitate towards. And he doesn’t do it to impress or make a statement, it’s just him.
and he makes a Nirvana covers in the livestream. lol.
*Not dead*. Y’all are crazy if you believe rock and jazz are on the same boat.
Just because it’s not mainstream doesn’t mean it’s not there.
Blame capitalism for that and for shoving the same garbage trap beat in your face 20 million times.
Last I checked the strokes was still a talented band & then there’s the genre of rap that transcends into rock.
Thank God, someone said the quiet part out loud. It's capitalism, stupid. There is a reason why rock music's sharp decline began in tandem with the 2008-09 Recession.
I’m calling it right now that King Gizzard is going to come up in this video. Rightfully.
The genre openned a lot of doors for a lot of people but instead of people going through those doors and evolving, they stand there and make it crowded and harder for the few that want to move on!
All great things MUST come to an end because the ending is also a part of what makes it great!
It really needs to come back especially what we're going through today
Totally agree with this. Rock should be underground. When it's not, bad things happen.
Your review on SK reminded me of a bunch of bands i used to listen to and sort of reignited my love for rock oriented music like Spoon and The Walkmen.
were living in the 2010s. its much easier to download a cracked version of fl studio than it is to invest in instruments and recording hardware. its no wonder rock doesnt hold the mainstream appeal it did, and thats because its just not as accessible and easy to get into. saying that nothing original is being done with the genre is just as naive as saying its dead all together, though. with people like casablancas, toledo, andrew savage, mitski, and more all helping to push rock into new sounds, you cant just associate "rock" with imagine dragons, gvf etc. internet trap is the lowest common denomenator right now. anyone can get into it, and its easy to chart with. whats easiest to consume and produce will always be on top
Honestly I enjoy bands like Tame Impala or King Gizzard way more than just about any rock artists in the ‘90s
Tame Impala 🤢🤢🤢
Felix Charles I’d get it if you were talking about the 70s or the 80s, but 90s?
okay??...
Yeah dude. These guys are complaining there are no rock bands topping the charts like in the 90s but the bands that were doing that then were shitty things like the Limp Biskit, Nikelback, and other post grunge and nu metal crap. They should at least say what decade of rock they want it to be like and what kind of bands they want to do that.
Tame Impala is fucking golden
Billy Corgan says that Western Rock is dead, because it's been done to death. He believes that the next big thing in Rock'n'Roll will come at a time when we least expect it, from a country where we least expect it. And he says that when it happens, it will be so influential, it will top the U.S charts and bring in a new trend of Rock for the Millennial generation.
Jesse Bond yeah but billy Corgan is bald sooo...
@@georgeoscarbluth1101 So is Melon. You'll listen to him though, won't you?
You guys are so cute together
Billy Corgan is a mess.
Jesse Bond *Generation Z
2:23 - 2:43 Car Seat Headrest immediately comes to mind as an example of that for me
I think Rock laying low for a bit is a good thing, for one, this allows for a perfect period of self-reflection and experimentation. By then, maybe a new rock band might come up with something great, and then it'll explode again.
This is coming from a teen musician by the way. I'd love to cross and combine genres with rock and roll. There's plenty of unexplored potential and innovation out there. I'm sure of it, especially in the 21st century.
I was born in the 80s and grew up in the 90s where being mainstream was to sound as different as possible.
I think Anthony is right about rock having to re invent itself, however I think that the music industry as a whole is in a terrible place from everyone stealing music, then eventually streaming. The revenue for recorded music is just not coming in, and the price of breaking in a new artist is very expensive for major labels. So they would only want to sign pop and country acts that make safe, familiar music so they can make their investment back. Rock is always changing and unpredictable-hard for a label to know if it will sell. So Major labels just avoid taking a financial risk in signing rock bands
That is not dead which can eternal compose
And in strange aeons, even "charting" may die
We need another Van Halen type band that's young maybe some trap fusion on the drums wild guitar solos. That will convince young people to start bands and check out earlier rock music rather than Imagine Dragons or 5SOS or the soft stuff that we have now.
5sos is rock
@@lukejezza3088 theyre not but ok
@@BeringBearChannel they are, just pop rock
Van Halen is one of those bands you just can’t hate