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Rock isn’t dead, just isn’t ruling the mainstream radio anymore, but who cares. If you like rock it’s not hard to find it.
It hasn’t been on the radio since 2009 hahaha until now… (Maneskin, Olivia, etc)
@@FlameOnTheBeat I think radio nowadays means the most streamed stuff in streaming services
@@FlameOnTheBeat That’s true, I’m old, I also should’ve mentioned streaming.
@@saulomarruizgarcia2408 and who the fuck cares about the radio nowadays?
The new Lil Ugly Mane album has some great rock music on it I'd recommend it
Thanks for reassuring that Dwayne Johnson is still alive, Anthony. Had me scared for a second.
Aaaahahahaha
He’s just filming The Game Plan 2 atm
Breaking News, The Rock is still alive
its about drive, its about power
This was honestly the first thing I thought of when I saw the title
Honestly, rock music has entered a stage where it tends to sound better when it’s out of the spotlight. There’s tons of great indie rock outfits these days just gotta do some digging!
any to recommend??
levitation
@@Bigdoppa3 Levitation Sessions, KEXP, Flightless Records, Castle Face Records, All great places for all kinds of rock music and plenty of other stuff too.
@@Bigdoppa3 black midi and Black Country, New Road
Black country, new road
Angelic to the Core turned me on to rock and roll. I will never forget where I was the first time I heard Ascension Millennium
You must’ve been getting pulled out of the depths of Hell by Corey’s Angels while this was happening.
A man of culture, I see
I read this one when the Corey Feldman pic came on and now I'm lmao
That album changed my life. I stopped drinking and my kids talk to me now.
Rockadelic is not dead
Yesterday Anthony Literally Died and today he's back to announce rock music isn't dead. crazy 24 hours
He went to the afterlife to confirm that rock wasn't there.
I find the capitalization of Literally Died here pretty funny.
I hate this idea that because an old style of rock isn’t dominating the mainstream, that means it’s “dead”.
I hope rock goes into a more experimental path instead of just the same old sound repeated over and over again
Rock elitists would like for us to only listen to Tom Petty, Blue Oyster Cult and Dire Straits forever
Yeah, all the boomers who complain about rock being "dead" have never listened to any other subgenres of rock besides classic bands like Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, etc.
I see your point. Thing is, I think the genre was so attention focused on the past maternal and history that we literally forgot a future exists lol.
I love that the mainstream idea of "rock" is dead, because it encapsulates exactly what I strongly dislike about the "style" and the genre (the "manly rockstar" trope, glam rock, hard rock bands), I also love how actually rock as a "genre" is really well and just evolves with time (with Black midi, Squid, shame...)
When I hear peeps say “rock is dead” it usually means “the specific genre of rock I like/play isn’t relevant anymore.”
Yeah that seems to be the case. I'm just glad I can still discover lesser known old songs that I like. I can't find much 60's style psychedelic rock that I enjoy, but that doesn't mean it's a dead genre. I've got plenty of material to sift through from that time period
That's what it means for a genre to die, doofus. There are still big band and swing bands playing today but those genres are definitely dead, The same is true for rock.
@Constantine Constans That's a pretty fuckin' close-minded way to think about it. There are more than plenty of new underground rock groups today. You just have to look for more than five minutes before preaching that the genre is dead.
@Constantine Constans Only until the influence and memory of something is completely lost is it dead. Just because rock is not the number one genre in existence right now does not mean it has been forgotten completely by everyone and everything. And shit, influence and inspiration rings through generations of music no matter what the genre. We have blues to thank for rock, classic rock and R&B to thank for punk and hip-hop, rock and punk to thank for grunge, hip-hop and rock to thank for rap, etc. If you need an incredibly obvious and screaming example then look at Paper Planes. One of the biggest pop songs of the early 2000's samples one of the most important post-punk songs of the 80's. As long as people perpetuate culture, the culture will not die.
@Constantine Constans I feel like I'm arguing with a child ffs. So w/e, keep thinking like that
I think of rock music as kinda going the same way jazz has gone. It will never really be as relevant as it once was, and has more of a niche audience, but it will certainly never really die. Anyway I'm gonna go listen to that new King Gizz fuck yeah
I could not agree with you more. You pretty much described the situation with rock music right now perfectly.
The genre itself isn't as popular today but it definently lives on strongly in other genres like hiphop
Very cool take
It's crazy both Genres were created by BLACK MEN, then exploited and ran to the ground.
@@urbannuance5151 Neither rock nor jazz were black inventions, please dont talk about things you know nothing about.
Rock and metal never died, just changed address. Look at the amount of people who attend to (mainly) rock festivals like Lollapalooza and Rock in Rio, or metal festivals like Hellfest and Wacken Open Air. If that much people attending a festival signals that a genre is dead, I don't fucking know what the word "dead" means anymore.
Uhhh you should look at Lollapaloozas line up lol
@@mustymax5878 i said mainly lmao lollapalooza isn't a pure rock festival for a long time now. But main attractions at least still are rock related in some shape or form. Well, at least here in Brazil it is.
@@MarceloZ2 in America there's barely any Rockbands at Lollapalooza. Rappers and Pop Stars dominate the lineup.
@@Person-eh9nr Even still, his argument still stands about the festivals in general.
Graspop is a metal festival in Belgium with an average attendance of 150,000 people each year and the same goes for Hellfest in France, and these festivals are dominated by metal bands.
Just because Lollapallooza is dominated by pop-artists doesn't mean the rest of the festivals across the world adhere to those rules.
@Gunk Session Same thing I said around 2000 when the bling era started in Hip-Hop, I thought the pendulum would eventually swing back to "real" emcees, and it's been 20+ years and it's never been the same. Not saying there aren't commercial acts like Kendrick and J Cole who are doing great numbers, it's just that it never went back to being anything like it was at one point. I will bet that it will never swing back the way you think it should. It's a lot easier to go viral and be a trash rapper than learning how to play an instrument.
How exactly rock is dead? Haven't y'all heard about *Imagine Dragons* , greatest rock artists of our time?
That's a joke, don't dare to rant at me.
Honestly as some regular young black guy now in my mid 20s imagine dragon was my gateway to rock music ,before My attitude was always rock music is white peoples music , no Cap . Radio active touched my soul in a way I can’t explain, now i have gone too deep in the rabbit hole from not paying attention to it to being a fan .
oh the missouri. everybody wants to be my anemone
@@oliverbanes5121 same. Them and GVF were a massive part of me getting into 70s and 80s rock and though I don't listen to them anymore, I won't hate them either. Oh and their first two albums had some genuinely decent tunes.
So sayeth The Grammy’s. No, not a bunch of grandmothers, I mean the music awards.
🤔
Then again… 😉
Don't really get how people can say this in an era where everything is accessible thanks to the internet.
Just because it's not mainstream doesn't mean it's dead, like come on!
No progression = death
It's hyperbole. Saying it's dead doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it means it's stagnant. Just a personal opinion, but most new critically acclaimed rock albums are mostly throwback, nostalgia music made by middle class kids. There are exceptions of course.
The problem is with funding and marketing.
Producers don't see money in propping up albums and only see money in pop singles. Getting these bands in the mainstream isn't possible because of selfish and greedy marketing teams made to make money through industry plants, not sell new or upcoming artists who come from nothing through hard work and dedication.
I don't even understand why people want it back in the mainstream, they probably think it's going to be like the 90s where a bunch of cool underground bands are finally gonna get recognize and there'll be huge resurgence of artistic rock music....which is not happening, the only way rock will come back on in the mainstream is with lowest common denominator pop rock that will feel like a spit in the face to the genre, just take one look at MGK and you should understand
@@andrei11dr I feel like BMTH are on their way to bringing rock music back to the mainstream
Concrete > Rock, change my mind
Metal though 👀
im feeling dirt ngl
Wood
You're right. Iannis Xenakis kicks ass.
@@EpifanesEuergetes abso-fucking-lutely
I think a lot of people forget that at one point in time rock music was also pop music. The Beatles older material can easily be considered a type of pop music at the time. Like you can only be so rock and roll while singing “I wanna hold your hand.” Music is going to keep changing with the times, it’s ok for something to not be as popular as it once was. It’s not like the old music is going away.
To my limited knowledge, rock was really defined in the wake of the Monterey Pop festival in 1967. Or at least, that’s when people stopped using pop and rock interchangeably. (Correct me if I’m wrong).
Rock today is where jazz was in the 60's. Definitely still innovative and can draw huge crowds but just not the popular mainstream.
It'll come back at some point. Right now at this exact moment in time the biggest artist in the UK is Sam Fender. That doesn't happen with a genre that is dead.
@@kevinkibble8342Sam Fender is more on the Indie/Alternative side of music but he’s definitely an Artist that Rock fans can get into. Bands like Royal Blood, Wolf Alice, Biffy Clyro, Architects, The Amazons, The Struts, Muse, Nothing But Thieves are carrying the British Rock Scene currently
@@MW-dd8vk He's definitely rock. You're also right about all the other artists, although I definitely wouldn't name Muse as an artist that defines UK rock in the 2020s. Also this scene of punk/post-punk bands from the British Isles such as IDLES, Fontaines DC, Squid, Shame, Stone, et al are flying the rock flag fairly well right now.
@@kevinkibble8342 When did he start becoming popular in the UK? They’ve begun playing his music on American radio and I love his style and music.
@@kiddomatt7311 A couple of years ago, 2019/2020-ish. His latest album was huge.
I like to think rock assimilated instead of died. The "rock band" instruments are still staples in popular music, and as said the "ethos" of rock is still regularly present. With so many newer styles and ways of making music it's more refreshing to integrate rock into other things than playing it straight. Even in the 90s that was already happening. And it's natural since there wasn't a lot left you could actually do with rock while still being a purist.
This is the most dead-on take I've seen here
Rock and Metal are pretty much still alive and well in japan, sweden, norway, finland, and netherlands. They make the best music!
What bands from the Netherlands are you thinking of?
Hey, I'm 56 (not a Boomer btw) and I'm perfectly happy with where rock music is today. There are some amazing bands out there making some fantastic music. Black Country, New Roads; Squid, Parquet Courts, Lithics, etc etc. Sometimes it takes some effort to find a band you like, but not really too much. Just a little light digging maybe. They're not hiding, after all. And I personally don't require rock to be the DOMINANT musical form to fully enjoy it. If Hip-hop is at the top, that's because it worked long and hard to get there.
based take
Puahahahaha
"Worked long and hard" = cheaper and easier to produce, therefore less expensive to promote for a label. Easy peasy.
@@guitaristssuck8979 which rapper copped a neyo melody from 20 years ago and rapped (almost completely out of time) over it? 3M views. Actual guitar but the lyrics for it are derivative, just cult followings on cult followings. It honestly reminds me of cringey/wholesome collabs of the talented guitarist and the popular rapper from highschool, and we all knew it wasn't a "thing" it was just a fun novelty, and instead people went full bore with it and I'm still cringing. If he had actually put some effort into his flow I would have a different opinion, BUT if people listen that's what drives trends.
@@morganthem what a naive comment.
People don't choose one genre over the other, their taste is always driven.
Boomer rockers complained about the next generation of rock for so long. You reap what you sow
"There are no good new bands" is something I've heard a lot. I've only been alive for so long but I don't think that has ever been the case since the start of rock.
@@williamhornabrook8081 good rock moved into post punk. Albums like Wide Awake by Parquet Courts would be otherwise called rock albums.
Boomers hate actual decent modern rock music, and then absolutely shit their pants when Greta Van Fleet drops a track
Boomers plus Gen X-ers reveling in their own Stockholm Syndrome…
@@brandonsz7937 If that band's singer wasn't trying so hard to be Geddy Lee I'd like it a lot more
1:07 "Nobody wants to see you on stage like doing fucking windmills on your fucking Stratocaster."
Throwback to that live video of Fantano playing drone music and doing sick windmills during his bass solo. 😂
Rock definitely isn't dead, it's just streaming services took over and pretty much killed the radio so there isn't a general "popular" song everybody knows. Everyone gets stuck in their own musical bubble.
I sense that the people that say "rock is dead" don't realise that there is still alot of rock music being made under the radar. I didn't know that the stoner rock saga even existed until a few years ago, and now it makes up ~60% of what I listen to now. It's out there, just not as present in mainstream media.
Agree. It does seem like "Rock" guitar is showing up more in popular music. Olivia Rodriguez's Brutal comes to mind. Also bands like Ghost are huge, and while a bit of a throwback, have a an audience that isn't just Gen X/Boomers. Mammoth WVH is also getting some visibility.
All boomer music
Agreed and those bands never stopped grinding, the Melvin’s for example have released 25 studio albums, 7 live albums, 8 compilation, 6 eps, 47 singles and 25 miscellaneous records in their 50 year career and they are still putting things out, But “rock is dead”.
@@-Datboijj- Olivia Rodriguez is "boomer" music? That's funny..
rodriguez 😭😭😭
not ghost.... LOOOL
I mean one of the greatest pop songs from past year is Happier Than Ever, which is heavily rock-influenced.
Rock during the 2010s was where metal was during the 90s: out of the public consciousness but going strong in the underground and busy reinventing itself. I'm beginning to see rock as a whole gaining more visibility as kids discover it, while hip-hop and EDM seem to have reached market saturation.
I went from listening to rap only to going back to rock in 2014. For me that was the year it was undeniable there was great indie, rock, and other genres that I had been missing out on. I'm still seeing the many of the same bands from austin, ny, and portland around today such as white denim, strfkr, neon indian, chastity belt, and joywave. I miss my favorite portland indie pop band wampire! I rediscovered bands like spoon, dinosaur jr., and guster. My favorite group from that point in my life is of montreal. It was clearly a resurgence of rock when becks album morning phase got a major award. It's cool to see indie bands i have personally blown away by such as milky chance and alt-j gain popularity. There is so many attempts to create nostalgia while being innovative. There seems to be a sort of post-rave inspired indie scene that I really like where elements of trip hop are incorporated into rock and pop. Groups like khruangbin, jerry paper, oliver tree, merchandise, givers, etc.
But that being said. It takes certain bands to get me to venture anywhere near emo + trap + auto tune. I can dabble at best. Unless listening to a mindless self indulgence record counts. I'm more intrigued by the new direction rock has taken in the last 8 years or so. The incorporation of progressive drum beats and variation into plain rock. A resurgence of more blues inspired vocals. Kind of like what mike patton and john zorn did together in the 90's. Im glad bands like july talk and ty segall are getting better known. But as far as incorporating the heavier elements of metal into rock i think kxm is the band that made me rethink my expectations of what rock could be. They were shown to me back when I was much more into indie, pop, and trip hop. For a three piece 'side project' kxm has proven to be on the cutting edge of rock 🎸 if you believe such a thing still exists. If not check out animals as leaders or consider the source. There are people still doing very innovative things in rock and its subgenres.
I’m 17, grew up with hip hop/rmb but in the past half year or so I’ve been really getting into rock (from pop punk to metalcore) and I’ve realized that the greatness of rock lies in its variety🤙🏻
Keep digging, homie! I'm kinda the opposite lol & started getting more into hip hop during 2020.
Once you find real punk you’re set for life
Rock as a whole is probably the genre that has been experimented with the most to a point at which it felt creatively exhausted. However, a new context for old ideas can make them fresh once more.
Just recently I heard STFU! By Rina Sawayama and it reminded me that Metal will always have a place in my heart and in music. Maybe Metal riff samples can become the new Sax samples, who knows?
Woah. I'm starting to think Corey Feldman might possibly have started a rock revolution.
It's like people seem to think that if something isn't the most mainstream thing out at this second or isn't in the top 99.9th percentile then it's "dead". Like damn let genres take a back seat every now and then 😭
The interest in rock music vs hip hop music changes and it’s normally every 5ish-10 years or so. 90s we’re grunge/alt rock/nu metal as fuck, early 2000s belonged to rap. Early to mid 2010s belonged to indie rock And all that shit. 2015/2016-2020 was trap/SoundCloud rap. Covid killed interest in it while rock bands were locked up writing songs. The only difference this time is hip hop is fully embracing the rock shit, it’s not forced shit like the Nu metal / Gangsta rap collabs from back then. I’m in a punk band and rappers are hitting me up a lot to write riffs for em and shit. Interesting music landscape nowadays 🙂
People were saying rock is dead in 1960. record labels would even sigh any rock acts.
When someone is claiming ´Rock is dead´they should be admitting ´My interest to investigate new music is dead´
At the risk of sounding cliché, this should be one of the top comments.
Why are people so invested in mainstream-relevancy? Like, why isn't it enough to have new music to listen to that you like? What does it change whether the music you are listening to right now is mainstream-relevant or not?
(same shit happens in video game industry as well, people crying their genre is not mainstream, while tons of great games in that genre are being released right now)
Because some people want to make music
I think the real reason rock is struggling in the mainstream is simply, that the music biz stopped promoting bands with the same effort, they promote the solo artist with marketable looks backed by swedish songwriter/producer formula. Bands can still be succesful like Wolf Alice or Big Thief or Greta have shown, but to make it as big as Nirvana, RHCP, Oasis or Radiohead in the 90s seems almost impossible.
I mean, rock definitely isn't dead, but I get why people say that. It's not charting on the Hot 100 like it used to even in the 2000s. I'm Gen Z so I've never really grown up with any rock bands being super popular but I would really love to see guitar-oriented groups/artists that aren't aligned to pop and hip hop back on the charts. Maneskin had huge success last year and they're kinda a retro-sounding rock and roll band.
I think a big problem is that a lot of rock bands that people my generation do like are older bands. Like, Linkin Park, Green Day, Queen, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Fleetwood Mac, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, AC/DC, Led Zeppelin, Arctic Monkeys, The Killers, Muse, My Chemical Romance, Gorillaz, Pink Floyd, Guns N' Roses, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Oasis, Nirvana. You look at Spotify and Apple Music (which skew towards millennials and zoomers) and a lot of these bands have tens of millions of monthly listeners compared to modern rock bands. I'm not denying Gen X and boomers are also listening to those bands on streaming but people of those generations tend to listen to their music via physical media, especially boomers.
That's a big problem. I think a lot of younger rock fans just haven't really found that many modern bands that scratch the itch that those aforementioned bands do. I mean, why Greta Van Fleet or Rival Sons when you can have the Rolling Stones and Led Zeppelin?
When rock was mainstream I could listen only to limited number of rock albums available in my towns music store. Now I can listen to many many albums a day, bands of any nationality, and bands who have just few listeners. There is so much stuff I have not enough time to listen to everything that comes up recently.
Very biased not to talk about Paper and Scissors too, melon
Not to be overlooked in rock’s (and heavier pop) resurgence is the increasing contribution by female voices and perspectives. The bands in whom I’m most interested now are fronted or co-fronted by women or are a single female artist. Beach Bunny, Soccer Mommy, Girl in Red, Pom Pom Squad, Cuffed Up, Skating Polly, Poppy, Spiritbox, The Linda Lindas, Snail Mail, Cherry Glazerr and Kaelan Mikla to name a few. Plus more established acts like Grimes and Wolf Alice and, reaching back even further, Garbage still contributing new output.
Rock isn’t dead it’s just branched out and kinda taken a backseat in the mainstream to pop and hip-hop/rap
Idk, modest mouse shows still feel pretty alive and relevant everytime I catch them
Saw them at red rocks last year and it was fucking magnificent
The Golden Casket was my favorite album from last year
I think they’re more of a pop band nowadays
@@mtr801 They have gotten more pop-oriented, but I don't think I'd call them straight-up pop
Rock isn't dead at all, and never will be. I'd argue it's still by far the most listened to genre, if you factor in all age groups and music medias
3:04 this is one of the main reasons why rock is dead
Keep rock out of the spotlight. The people still making it are the ones who love it and will do something cool with it. They won't be the ones seeking a quick buck. Look at the flood of shitty rappers who pop up every time a new subgenre arises.
Exactly.
Nah fuck that thinking.
@@bbailey3055 What rock band has benefitted creatively from aiming for #1 hits? The best bands typically have an uneasy relationship with stardom and reject the effort to replicate their biggest hits for the sake of it. The last good mainstream rock trend (re:pop chart success) was the Grunge movement, and it inspired all of the worst mainstream rock movements.
@@ericfellner2689 Pantera, Metallica, My Chemical Romance, just to name a few
@@nutterinherbutter5080 To name a few what?
Indie rock in Australia really dominates here; gang of youths, king gizzard, spacey jane, ball park music, it's really everywhere
Edit: spelling
Pond is my favorite from there
the chats
@@alexmacdonald9182 yeah!! Middle kids, skeggs
@@lindsayday4181 god. thank me later :)
i’m kind of annoyed with people who desperately want rock to be the dominant music genre again. Like, it had its time in the limelight, let it go. Nothing is forever, it had its turn. And this is coming from someone who’s favorite genre is rock
Honestly most of us who want rock to comeback are musicians that want to make it a career and not be broke
@@trav1154 That’s not necessarily true because there’s tons of older rock fans, like my dad, who want it to comeback simply bc they feel nostalgic for their generation’s music and don’t like modern music. Just look at Greta Van Fleet or Rick Beato’s fanbases. Side note, you’re pretty much in the same place jazz musicians were when rock overtook jazz’s place in popular music
A lot of young people who love rock music never experienced rock as a dominant or culturally relevant genre of music.
I don’t see why it’s a bad thing to want it to be in mainstream music again, especially when it’s your favourite genre. I remember when AM came out it would be on at every party. I’m waiting for a big rock album to come out and me hear it everywhere again. It will be big big again for sure. But I love every other genre and love to see where rap is today
@Fries Well I'd say from the mid 90s onwards when hip hop and teen pop started to become the new 'cool' although rock was still very popular, especially late 90s/early 00s - during the nu metal/pop punk years. Despite the garage rock and emo stuff, I think it really started to wane in cultural relevance throughout the 2000s as electronic music and hip hop better reflected our technological based lives. By the 2010s, I just don't think rock/guitar based music was particularly tasteful anymore. Rarely used in commercials, television/film soundtracks, reflected in music awards and of course commercial success and popularity, particularly among young people (who, of course, set the trends and ultimately decide what is relevant). It very much started to feel like a nostalgic, has-been genre. But like I said, it had been slowly heading that way for about 10-15 years. Even School of Rock, which came out in 2003, is built on the premise that rock is a relic relegated to history books as something kids need to be taught about, as they are not being exposed to it by each other.
There are still solid rock bands out there, just gotta look. check out Teenage Wrist, Nothing, Loathe, Cloakroom, Turnstile (punkier sound but seeing mainstream success), Superbloom, Webbed Wing...Hum and Quicksand released quality records over the past couple years too! The grungier sound has definitely came back
@braingazer... Oh yes, love all of those you listed too! That grungier shoegaze sound is in a good place right now and I'm loving it
Drug Church is hella underrated too. I'm seeing them with Soul Blind next week!
I mean, you mentioned Loathe who are more Deftones-esque metal than rock, and if we're including metal in the discussion, there are TONS of great bands out now. you can't go two seconds into the metal wings of Spotify or Bandcamp without finding ten or twenty Black Sites's, Khemmis's, Spiritboxes, Zeal & Ardors, Moon Tooths, Whitechapels, etc.. even if you want chart success, Gojira and Bring Me the Horizon have continued to be popular as hell.
@@MelMelodyWerner you're right about loathe. I was on the fence about including them, but they do have some tracks that aren't in your face metal.
@@MelMelodyWerner metal is rock
*Olivia Rodrigo, WILLOW, and Måneskin get a rock song on the Top 10 Charts:*
Boomers: Rock is dead! 😩😔😭
@@nah....6151 literally lmao
Literally
Not
Rock
According to Rock-Snobs and the Internet, rock apparently dies every other week
King Gizzard single handedly is keeping several genres popular. We need more bands like them.
Hell yes 🤟 at this point, they've already proven they are legends, now they are just flexing their insane talent with other music genre. Big respect.
Can't wait for their new album
To quote Zappa: "rock isn't dead, it just smells funny"
I thought he said that in regards to jazz.
Weird how people get mad/sad about rock dying, yet we get so many people labelling anybody that try and get popular with a rock or guitar oriented style a sellout. If rock artists are about making the music just for the music and not money or anything else, why are we worried about it not being popular anymore lol?
Honestly as a certified og emo kid, emo as a genre is more mainstream than it’s been since the 2000’s honestly. Maybe not on the radio, but MGK horribly pivoting into it should tell you everything you need to know.
Also Trippie Redd
I know it's a figure of speech, but I do kind of want to see someone in an office with an og emo certification framed and hanging from the wall next to their diploma.
We talking like 80s emo kid?
When I learned about the existence of emo rap a few years ago, it blew my goddamn mind. Few lyrics capture the spirit (as I see it) more succinctly than "Push me to the edge, all my friends are dead"
Fair point
there is a bustling underground scene for every genre. The internet has made every genre of music readily available
I've been hearing that sentiment since like 2000. Back then I knew it was coming from people who have no idea about local or regional "scenes".or even the radio.
Now that I'm 30 and in no scene" and I don't listen to the radio Im inclined to think I'm just out of touch.
Somewhere there are heavy guitars and kids poking each other with tattoo or hypodermic needles and that's rock enough for me
I used to be a curmudgeon about new music, and while I still don't enjoy much modern pop, there are so many exciting things going on in so many genres over the past couple decades, and rock is no exception. I've listened to fantastic rock records by Radiohead, Sigur Ros, GYBE, King Gizzard, BCNR, Wilco, Explosions in the Sky, Car Seat Headrest, Weyes Blood, Broken Social Scene, and Sun Kil Moon. Pretty much all of these groups are still active or at least have prolific offshoots, and I feel like I've only scratched the surface in my exploration of modern rock.
If you are a rock fan but haven't explored any of these acts, open your mind and give an album a try (might I recommend In Rainbows, Nonagon Infinity, or You Forgot it In People?); you'll be doing yourself a favor.
The problem with rock is really more about the ecosystem around rock. The big industry dollars only care about the worst shlock in the world, and there's not really a great lane to success as an independent artist unless you're part of a hyper-specific sub-genre/scene which essentially doesn't exist as far as the general public is concerned.
Put it this way, there's a pop-punk revival on, but are a bunch of really good independent pop punk bands getting signed and promoted right now?
I also feel like the idea that rock is dead is very America/western focused. Rock is alive and well in the rest of the world, especially in places like Asia and Eastern Europe.
”Dead” might not be the appropriate word, same goes for hip-hop. But whether it had declined or not is certainly a relevant question.
It's also about the fusion of genres and sub cultures, so many more people find themselves in a position of being musically multi-faceted now and connecting with people in different areas of the music scene, they become the kinda people who bridge the gaps, I always thought this would end up happening at some point and it's really nice to see it coming to fruition.
The whole "Rock is dead" thing isn't even a new "discussion". Every time some other music genre sweeps the charts, people start saying that rock is dead, and that's been happening since, like what? The 80s?
Rock has been coming and going in popularity since the 60s, what we've been seeing the past years isn't even anything new, whether it's the "downfall" in the 2010's or the recent "return".
As a music genre, and a musical asthetic, rock isn't going anywhere any time soon. Lots of hugely popular mainstream music uses rock as a basis. Guys like Max Martin, who writes lots of the number one hits every year are all rock composers. So, for rock to really "die", the would have to be a way more radical change in the popular music landscape than just the usual genre rotation on the charts.
Rock isn’t charting which is why people are saying it’s dead and I gotta say it’s true
@@liltree8382 There's much more to music than just the charts.
@@waterdrinker90 Yeah but it shows what popular and that extremely important because what’s popular gets pushed and what isn’t stays in the same place
@@liltree8382 If you mean that it "stays in the same place" musically, I will have to disagree. Just look up any underground music genre and you will see tons of artists pushing their genres forward.
In fact, most musical innovations that we see making their way into the mainstream first appear in the underground. It very rarely goes the other way around.
The charts are more of a market representation. And even when a genre isn't figuring heavily on the market, doesn't mean it's dead.
Now, if you're saying that it isn't being pushed commercially, then yeah, you're right, but it's still just one side of the coin.
Rock isn’t dead. King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard is fucking killing it. Their new song was so damn powerful that it caused Spotify to go down for 20+ minutes.
I STILL listen to Nonagon on loop, killer album.
King Gizzard is just a mic drop on the whole topic imo.
Rock never died. Just a bunch of fans who slipped on the drip.
Who?! 🥴
A Band Member from Loathe was asked about is Rock Dead? he responded with “Don’t Worry so is every other genre”
Rock ruled the airwaves in the early 90s. Also in the late 60s and early 70s. Outside of that it is mostly pop, disco, and r&b styles that rule the charts. Pop has been in-demand since the turn of the century because most people want to just dance and that is how it's always been.
We are coming up on the 30 year cycle where rock will probably break into the mainstream again like it did with grunge/alternative. There are tons of awesome post punk bands and progressive acts that are exploring new sounds in the genre and that will certainly be followed by acts that adopt those sounds for the mainstream a bit. Just like they did coming out of the 80s.
Once a genre has been created, it can't die. There will always be an audience for something, doesn't matter if it's 3 billion people or 3 people. To paraphrase Pharrell's band: nothing ever really dies.
Tell that to the disco era
@@ral1983 Nu-disco or at least Disco influence has been around since then.
@@ral1983 tell that to the weeknds last album
People often forget how the 2 times when Rock was the big thing in the 80's and 90's happened by accident, Hair metal got big thanks to MTV gaining momentum, and the Grunge era happened off the success of Nirvana's Nevermind which again happened by accident, not even their label expected that album to do as well as it did. But in both cases it didn't last, the Zeitgeist will always change, and if Rock is dormant or not popular today is because a) Rock fans refusing to listen to newer bands or expand their horizons, b) the industry itself playing it safe by only pushing already established acts, and trying to commodify music to make a profit like they've always done, be it 80's Monster Ballads or turning Nirvana's image into a fashion, and c) bands themselves only recycling what came before and not do anything new or interesting.
Maybe a combination of those 3, seriously my dad refuses to listen to anything other than hard rock/heavy metal and he grew up listening to limp Bizkit like bro 🤦
I think is a mix of A and C. Especially in the metal scene, there is a *lot* of recycling of old ideas already done by older bands, and this feeds the stubborn people who refuses to listen to anything that isn't the greats lile Metallica or Iron Maiden. The most creative and interesting stuff in the metal scene is coming from smaller bands mixing weird instruments with metal and giving a regional spin to the sound, like the russian band Kalevala or the tunisian band Myrath. But it won't do well on charts because they are overshadowed by the myriad of mediocre bands rehashing old ideas that exist right now, so it's a neverending cycle, in a way.
@@MarceloZ2 yeah but the industry isn't blameless either, if you check any rock radio or major rock festival and stadium tours its always big bands, brands only work with bands like Metallica, or BMTH. Its systemic because the industry only pushes well established bands, and push a single style as "the one that makes money" which in turn makes the average rock fan stay in their bubble and then bands feel the need to make the same thing that has worked because the industry itself won't pay attention to them unless they're profitable, all 3 need to change, that's also why really good young and hungry bands stay underground or the indie circuit, cuz they're too bold and weird for the average rock fan, radio and labels, say what you want about metal which yes, has this problem on steroids, see elitist meatheads who hate Ghost and Deafheaven for example, but there's a bigger chance to find something interesting or unique if you dig hard enough because the underground is the right place to try new things, since they don't have a label with focus groups telling them what to do, unfortunately because metal is designed to have a barrier of inaccessibility you'll never see a tech death or a black metal band making Metallica numbers, unless there's a massive paradigm shift in music.
listen to Black Country New Road and Black Midi are tell me rock is refusing to expand its horizons
@@StudioScarecrow sadly no one that isn't already subscribed to Fantano or r/Music is blasting their music on FM radio or making TikTok videos. Again, the problem with rock music goes beyond bands in the underground or indie circuit actually doing good stuff not being big.
Rock is at the stage where Jazz was in the 70's. Alive and well in the minds of people that grew up with it. A niche with narrowing entry points for younger generations.
As a genre, rock will always be a canvas for artistic expression - take Kendrick's adoption of Jazz on TPAB, for example.
The problem with this question is that it lacks awareness for the way that music evolves to interpolate multiple genres to expand artistic expression. As time progresses, genres fall out of the mainstream-sure-but as a whole we're blessed with greater and greater avenues for the expression of those same genres.
Except that rock's period of cultural dominance coincided with the birth of modern mass media, and is deeply embedded in our culture in a way that Jazz never was. Hardly any media produced in 1920 would have been available a kid in 1970, whereas today Jimi Hendrix t-shirts are sold in kid's sizes.
For me...my own shallow definition of rock n roll is....jagged edges, flaws, left in mistakes, occasional feedback assaulting the ear drums, powerful dynamic drumming. That being said, thats my OWN definition and everyone obviously has their own definition. The thing is now we are in the streaming era where its a giant melting pot of EVERYTHING....Which is kind of rad imo. Everything all of the time is everything all of the time
People who think rock is dead are living under a rock because there’s no shortage of new musicians doing great things with it. Sure if you judge it by mainstream success it seems that way but literally just scroll through Bandcamp for 5 minutes
NOT TO MENTION the still (fairly) thriving world of garage/psych rock revitalized in the early 2000’s with the more “commercial” side of things (Hives, Vines, Strokes, White Stripes), and more “underground” acts who are still doing well today (Oh Sees, Ty Segall, King Gizz, etc). Tons of cool stuff going on still.
It's not just about genre evolution, how many rock classics have been released in the past 10 years in comparison to Hip hop for instance? Of course there are still a few interesting bands out there, but nothing not underground that will be cherished for the decades to come.
Some of my favorite rock is being made now. Much of it has lots of melding with pop, soul, hip hop, & funk
the specific genre of rock isn't on the mainstream that much anymore, but its spread throughout different genres more than any other genre.
thought he meant dwayne can’t lie almost fell to my knees in a home depot
I just saw some fall to their knees in a home depot
Post rock, indie rock, math rock, folk rock, jam bands, etc. Rock has matured, continues to change and is nowhere near dead. What people default to is recalling its rise to prominence and its overwhelming presence in popular culture, but its shift away from the limelight is only to be expected. Jazz had its time, is no longer as electrifying as it once was yet still is an often drawn from and still prevalent style. These movements typically don't disappear, they rather are pushed aside by the new which has its time on the main stage. Given a few decades (maybe less) people will likely be having the same conversation about the "death" of hip hop. Nothing shocking, nothing new.
Rock reccomendation! Royal Republic, Great Modern rock and roll that sounds old and new at the same time. The album Weekend Man bangs all the way though. Some individual songs to get started are Blunt Force trauma, Here I come, Kung fu lovin, and Getting along. But theyve got a killer backlog.
Honestly, I always say the same things when people say this: rock isn’t dead- you just aren’t looking hard enough.
"if there was no rock music coming out during that time those reviews wouldnt exist"
anthony wtf i didnt knew you were gifted with such a sharp sense of logic
Rock is not dead. It has never been dead. It will never be dead. I can’t stand hearing people say rock is dead. You just need to look for it.
I agree, and I'd listen to more of it if my local radio stations didn't suck at picking good rock tracks
whenever I start thinking those thoughts I go listen to 'Shlagenheim' by black midi and all is right in the world again.
Guitar music has just become more mainstream in the form of indie, it never died. If u look at the strokes’ most recent album everything has become more mellow and electronic rather than the raw solos of ‘is this it’, but it doesn’t mean it’s bad
I feel like when people say this stupid thing what they are doing is trying to do is rather
1. I have a win because they don’t like rock
2. Try to feel like they’re important by “keeping Rock alive”
I'm curious if BMTH's recent crossovers is going to spurn an increase in heavy rock in the pop sphere. The Ed Sheeran thing was dope, the MGK thing was ehh. But we might see some metal elements come into the main stream in a way that it hasn't in decades.
MGK may be a tryhard poser...
But that just goes to show that rock still has *potential* if someone like him thinks it could be a viable route to the limelight
Bands nowadays are not as mainstream anymore but the Rock Genre is still going strong look no further than Allison Hagendorfs Spotify Podcast where she regularly showcases up coming artists and bands who are making great music.
If people would let classic rock and grunge go then maybe rock could make actual progress. But it's a giant millstone on the neck of pop culture that doesn't allow room for new music to really flourish.
I think I agree with Neil Young 100%: "Hey hey my my, Rock N' Roll can never die"
rock, metal, punk, etc. isn’t dead by any means. it just isn’t talked about on the internet much anymore.
It seems that this has been the pattern of rock music in its various guises since it’s creation. If you look back at every previous decide it existed, there’s always been a period of people getting bored of it and proclaiming the genre’s death, which is then followed by a newer batch of young artists bringing it back into cultural relevance. If you look at the late 50s for instance, the consensus was that rock had had its moment in the limelight with Elvis and Buddy Holly and that ‘guitar bands are on the way out’. Then the sixties come about and suddenly you’ve got the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Dylan etc. who took those influences and revitalised (and in many cases stole) the music of that decade and took it to a new level and it now seems absurd that we’d even have a rock genre without those artists.
There's also a bunch of one-off projects that release albums but never go on the road touring, or die shortly after... Things like Maragold (2013) or Dark Element (former Nightwish singer 2018)
You listen something like that and ask yourself "Why the hell didn't this take over the world??" It's all there...
“yes rock is alive, look at mgk and doja cat and lil nas x and olivia rodrigo” 😭😭
Hip Hop, Pop, Rock will always fight for the spotlight, metal will never die.
But Metal would never be between best dress and such.. 😁” I know it’s a silly thing to say but seriously are there no style icon in Metal.. “
If you want guitar music there are a ton of metal bands out there doing great stuff and even that is an understatement. If you want some high quality thrash, death, doom, or classic heavy metal there are plenty of young bands doing it all right now so do some research and check it all out.
Earthquake by jasiah is one of the best examples of a younger artist using rock influence, abdolutely love that song
"Who cares if Rock is no longer what it was?"
-Julian Casablancas
"Everybody singing the same song for 10 years"
Julian Whitehouses
I feel like the attitude and ego of a rockstar still exists in some rappers rock was the #1 thing to make till hip hop and people followed what sounded cool but I’d say suicide boys and such are like rap metal and you could make those connections depending on the vibe of a track
Eminem lil baby and all are the basic rock then you got more experimental like Travis Scott but it all comes down to a artist preforming a piece of their work
I saw suicideboys in October, and that show was more metal than most metal shows I’ve seen
@@griffinsmith2109 thank god you get it like the music isn’t the same but the energy is
i had my first alt rock gig literally right before this was uploaded and i was just thinking "rock and roll ain't dead" while i was there lmao
genres never die, theyre reinvented and transformed to adapt with the times
law of conservation of rock lol
"Rock isn't dead, but also MGK is pretty much the biggest rock artist on the planet right now"
Rammstein > MGK
@@frengtterma4102 Ramnstein isn’t even the biggest name in metal
@@danielalmeida7382 MGK isn't the biggest name either
@@amelie5525 you're not supposed to retard your songwriting to pander to preteens, but it's working for him... so
it's because rock sounds huge live, hip hop artists mostly don't sound good in an arena.
I feel like a lot of what I see as popular is bands that take the aesthetic of metal or rock and play it in a more calm way. Chelsea Wolfe, Emma Ruth Rundle, Blackwater Holylight and more are fitting a particular niche that is very much rock. I feel like Shoegaze has been hitting a good stride over the last few years as well. Not a lot of it is topping charts but I think the audiences for them are there. I think genres never really die, they just turn into something else. Disco turned into House after all. It's interesting to see.
It just split into softer indie pop and heavier type metal. Also bands still put out records every other year all the time. I never stopped listening to rock even though I listened to 90s and 2000s metal and rock during childhood its easy to find stuff made last decade that I listen to now.