The Worst Most Talented Musician: Jacob Collier
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- Опубліковано 15 бер 2024
- Just noticing in the comments that people think i didn’t listen to the whole album straight through. I did. I just think it’s not great. Djesse is not good even if it has 4 of em
This album was tough to listen to
0.4/10 its that bad
Really it’s more like a 1/10 - Комедії
Jacob Collier has negative swag
That is kind of funny though. That is like something you would expect one of his mates to rib him with.
@@badnick6659Especially when he uses his negative harmonies 😂
Did Geordie Greep ghostwrite this
Black hole swag
If Jacob was really a genius musician with a good ear, he wouldn’t sing.
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your ear must be so good to come to that very weird conclusion
@@GabiGluck ok let’s put it this way. Singers try to sing like Ray Charles, Karen Carpenter , Lady Gaga and so on, (1000s of good singers).. no one tries to sing like Jacob Collier
That's really rude...
“I always listen to what I can leave out” Miles Davis
Words of wisdom
Miles knew
Miles WHO?
@@christiantaylor1495miles morales
It's perfect for the times we live in. It's kind of like an AI-generated image - glossy, twodimensional, uncanny and completely vapid, but everyone's convinced it's deeply profound.
Extremely underrated comment
Oh damn that's actually a very good description of Jacob...
But did you know he knows all the chords and scales ?
@@voicessamples7396 Oh no, I take everything back!
Wow it is AI music
Jacob collier fans don’t make it better for him in the comments. They’re the same people that make music academics be outwardly hated by peers. As a music history grad, you guys are obnoxious as hell. This hoity toity “I’m better than you” attitude. Y’all talk about not insulting Collier, and then go and put down metal, punk, rap, and any other form of art that doesn’t come from an academic setting. Music theory and theoretical complexity only does not make good or even groundbreaking music. Look at Nirvana, The Clash, NWA, Mercedes Sosa, Ruben Blades. All insanely influential and important, none learned music theory or only learned it afterwards.
Yea true even the Beatles didn’t know much about any theory
Music academics must seethe when metal bands make songs more technically and physically demanding then anything they could ever dream to play. Would love to see these glorified band kids make anything as complex as Ulcerate, Deathspell Omega, TOOL ext ext.
You are literally describing the anti-Collier fans in this comment section 😂😂😂
"I think he's a great musician, just... the songs are not evident of that." Well said.
This is kind of how I feel about Charlie Puth. I like the songs he writes and produces for others but I can't get behind his own stuff. He's so talented but I just can't 😭
Same. It’s not even the fact that whether the listener is a musician or not. I guess they need to pull back on experimentation.
A fun fact is that Paul McCartney struggled with this early post Beatles.
Harrison being the “ Feel” in the Beatles had the most successful post beatle album. Despite him being very articulate in jazz music. He knew when to pull back. McCartney later did also.
Mozart being the prodigy and genius he was knew when to pull back. Of course also knew when to impress musicians.
At least CP has a decent voice.
It is like that scene in Rain Man.. where he could tell you exactly how many matches are there or someone's telephone number, but how he has no idea how much stuff cost...
the guy should be banned from singing without a vocoder. absolutely goofy ahh tone. sounds like an unironic Michael Macdonald
Michael macdonald has tbe voice of an angle. I got to try, peng track, I'm also gay
I know that putting people with autism in any kind of "bad light" is a no no these days but: Jacob's singing sounds like he has down syndrome or something, yet thinks he can sing like Freddy Mercury.
definitely the most "high school musician" video I've ever seen
it's is very true
Nah he right tho
I agree to be honest, sometimes I don't know what the hell I'm hearing from that guy
Finally someone noticing what I've been thinking for years. Collier is Boring. He'll be an incredible college professor someday.
When he dials it back his simple stuff is actually quite enjoyable. His tasteful vocal harmonies definitely give me goosebumps at moments. It's when it gets overly complex that it becomes boring for me.
Incredible college professor 🤣 When he does, I’ll remember this comment and, “hi hi hi hi”
"I don't want to sound corny or weird" is pretty corny and weird.
embrace the corniness
I was afraid of saying anything…I thought like 2 songs were decent
I've never been afraid to voice how bad I think Jacob is. Like yea he has a talent for harmonization and going in between the usual note scales, and he clearly practiced a LOT of instruments to a high degree, but that's it. And that talent is completely wasted in his music. His singing is terrible, his original music is tame and without emotion/texture, he refuses to understand the concept of "less is more", and he completely butchers songs he does covers of.
Jacob collier the definition of wasted talent due to glazing, for such a talented guy where are all the hits, who’s telling their friends to listen to Jacob collier 💀💀, and let’s not get started on his fans trying to explain every little thing as the most insane and perfectly made songs, shits wack
I think Collier is actually Ai.
SORT YOUR VOLUME LEVELS OUT, as a producer you should know better. 5:33 nearly gave me fucking heart attack
Agreed. Volume normalization across all clips should become a requirement for ALL UA-cam uploads, imo.
It's hilarious though, I laughed out loud
It's supposed to give you a heart attack, that's how he eliminates weak viewers like YOU (joke)
@@LucLoLCreations LOL
The mark zuckerberg of music💀💀💀
I would say that he is a fucking genius and even if he has all his understanding of music, music is about emotions and to understand emotions is to understand yourself, he is quite immature on that side so listening to his songs make you feel all wooblely wooblely but im sure that with the skill he has in some time like 5 or 10 years and some psychedelics drugs he will deliver some proper stuff
I really enjoy his music because I want to listen to something that sounds immature. Something that's just plain fun or experimentive. To say that this isn't proper music is immature.
@@TheodorNickelsen It is indeed proper music. Just bad music... I can agree however that if you want to listen to experimental stuff whether it's good or bad, Jacob is a good choice.
@@Sanquinity Hot take: there is no such thing as bad music. There will ALWAYS be an audience for every style of music.
Take me as an example. I really like immature music.
@@TheodorNickelsen I don't even think his music is "immature". Just bad, or at best mediocre and tame/simple. Baby shark is immature music.
People have been saying that he will mature and start making better music for years. He's turning 30 in a couple of months. I think we might have to stop holding our breath and accept that he isn't actually a Mozart level genius when it comes to composing impactful music
Nah man, you're just saying what many are afraid to say. You can be musically "talented" and know all the music theory you want, but Jacob Collier really is the epitome of making music complicated for the sake of making it complicated. And the worst part is that his audience is just a bunch of circle jerking praises for how much of a genius he is. Is he incredibly talented? Undeniable. The guy is gifted. Does he make objectively good music? No. It really is just complicated sounds that attract a holier than thou audience that just enjoys feeling smart because they "understand" his music, or because it's written by a "genius" so it must be good.
Whats wrong with Willow Smith!??? She's amazing and i love her new stuff 😭
I think you just have to see it from different stand points. like for me, I dont like all of the album ngl, but it doesnt mean all of jacobs songs are bad. Bridge over troubled water is definetly the best song in the album but for a different reason to what other people may think. that song isnt your standard everyday, popular song but I like it because of the richness in harmonies. I love me some spicy harmony and that song has loads of it. for me tbh, I think jacob does alot better when he's in a song which he doesnt take the lead role like in Stormzy's album This is what I mean, Jacob collier is involved in every song on the album. and in Give it to the water on the album, he takes a back seat and does the backing vocals which i think sounds amazing for the song. or let alone, in sampha's plea, he plays the piano for the song, which also sounds amazing.
overall, Id say he does a good job with music, some of his solo stuff may need a bit of work but when he works with other people it deffo improves a song. also all the artist which have worked with him have said that he's not like anything else since he's so creative. he literally has his own guitar that he thought of himself to make it easier for him to learn lmao
So many upset people lol
I read a comment about Jacob calling him if AJR went to Juilliard.
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I think JC is an absolute genius anomaly of an arranger. And a mediocre at best songwriter.
I agree with pretty much everything you said here, but I’ll say this much - I participated in that choir shit he did last tour and it was wild
He intrigues me and angers me at the same time
I wonder what Jeff would say after watching this 😂
“No flavor in Summer Rain” whew that’s a crushing take. As a big fan of Jacob I agree that much of his music is saturated with a LOT of music theory, complex harmony and it’s a lot to take in. But Logan, you be sayin that songs on Djesse 4 are boring, and also saying they’re way too much and that they’re boring at the same time, totally contradictory. Plus you make no distinction between his songs that are relatively simplistic, what you seem to prefer, over his overstimulating mess of songs. Plus you skipped through Bridge over troubled water saying it’s directionless, fam that’s the most intricately structured song in the album and definitely the most critically acclaimed by choral teachers and instructors.
Tbh you’re more of a hater than a critic. Doesn’t seem like you want to understand deeply why you hate it, just want to call it trash immediately
Man I've liked strange off the wall, spasticated, structureless and divisive music my whole life but Colliers music is genuinely so awful. Like the curveballs are NOT the issue. Seeing the "artisans" getting so upset at what is genuinely poultry music is hilarious
lmao @ your reaction to Only You, thanks
You have your opinion and I respect that.
For me, these new songs archive to challenge the way I expect and listen to music although I’m used to Jacob songs.
It’s not the most comfortable music to listen to at first, but my first Jacob songs were exactly like this and now I really digging them. These are bangers. It amazes me that he succeeded to make me feel like that again.
It makes me think and rethink my habits and beliefs. That is the essence of art In my opinion .
Being exposed to Art kinda is like meeting strangers on the streets. We tend to like and dislike them for reasons. But if we give them time and a chance we can learn to understand even the most bizarre characters. We may even begin to love them.
I wish you a lot of experience like that
Imo I feel like this is said a lot about his music and it’s like collectively people are gaslighting themselves into liking his music. It’s so funny
I'm just so tired of having the same argument with my parents about Collier. I mean hes talented but y'know but hes wasted so much of that talent, once i listen to one of his songs, i just lose the vibe when it starts.
The Eminem of music theory. Technically amazing, but hooooorible at making music that actually sounds good. Ability
a dude who suggests spending an hour and a half listening to a death metal album in a different language is sitting here telling me that jacob collier sucks at writing music. i really have reached the pits of youtube. i have no words for you.
that “death metal” album is miles better than anything Jacob Collier has made in my opinion. My vid is not objective.
@@Loganisnotaloserr yeahh his stuff clearly isnt your taste in music but calling it terrible and saying he doesnt know how to write music is just ridiculous tbh
Best comment ever. Totally agree
Very immature reaction, but hey, we have all been there. Don't waste your time or talent on being negative. Learn from others and be encouraging. I like that he shares and is very generous with his knowledge. Take what you can from him and use it the way you want to hear it instead.
Clearly you don’t know shit about Death Metal.
I agree, so much talent and yet his music is terrible.
Amazing intros to then be ruined. It’s like starting off eating a good steak and then someone just squirts ketchup over it. It doesn’t go together.
Mais uma vez orgulhosa dos fãs de Jacob com os tapas de veludo nos haters .
Why does having a simple and strong opinion, given the huge and massime respect Jacob Collier has from the music producer and fans scene, is downgraded as “bruh you’re just hating, you don’t have that success etc “. Guys please, develop a damn critical sensibility, and try to not call every damn artist in the world a genius, or Every song a masterpiece. If someone likes him, fantastic , if someone doesn’t, fantastic as such. Don’t hate a guy for just saying his opinion given the fact that it’s his own right to Say it.
Because fans are incredibly pretentious with the whole “music theory” angle. It’s the pretentiousness of higher music academia, where anyone outside of it and their knowledge and tastes are looked down on. It’s this weird idea that music theory savantness makes good music. Being a savant in an art form does not necessarily make one engaging. Nirvana, the Beatles, NWA, The Clash, none of them knew theory, and all of them changed music history and influenced many in the art form.
I personally hope that Mono Neon gets time to 6:52 lol, this kid's gonna be a meme.
I won't disgree.... he has some baller people want to work with him. But the second he starts singing the vibe is gone. He had Camilo collab with him... and it was kinda decent, but his parts just kinda ruin it. If he just straight up invited people to collab and just made a song to emphasize a way we haven't heard them before... he'd be making bomb after bomb.
Target Pop 🎯
I would not say he is talented or is a music theorist.
LOL yes this album was really frustrating to listen to. Too many ideas but hardly any coherent ones. Sad!
The rage bait goes crazy
the truth AIN'T rage bate
@@crash8103 it's not truth
@@christiantaylor1495 It is. Or rather it's an opinion on his music. Just because you get angry about people having this opinion doesn't mean it's simply rage bait.
@@Sanquinity So you agreed with me that it isn't truth, then. Nice verbose comment that went nowhere. I'm not angry. My parent got cancer and it didn't even bother me, so this isn't going to bother me. Read some Epictetus and Seneca.
@@christiantaylor1495 Opinion is still them telling the truth in this case. Just a different truth than yours. (personal truth does not apply to all things though.)
And sure sure mister "I am very smart and sophisticated", you do you.
I am the world's most talented musician, I just wasn't born in England and raised in a musical womb. I had exactly the opposite. My father was murdered when I was 2. Everyone discouraged me from playing, but I played at prize giving ceremonies when I was 12. If I had access to 1% of the resources he had I would also be widely recognized. It's just fascism.
Sorry for being so arrogant and angry but I've never in my life not known how to play an instrument. Literally every instrument I try I shred. I used to play drums on my friend's drum sets and murder. Do you think I ever owned a drum kit? of course not
Probably the funniest comment I’ve read in a long while. Cheers.
I'm pretty on the same page with you but you literally played 2 seconds of each one of his songs(maybe you heard more than that, not me) and than in one second slayed it, I am not sure it's a real objective critism, and maybe you even a bit jealous.
I listened to the album b4 recording the video and then during the video. I have also revisited the album. I can say with certainty that it’s not a good album in my opinion. I’m not jealous too the only album I’m jealous by is the new knocked loose record cuz damn
Have to agree with everything you say
The stuff you don’t like about his music is the excact stuff I love. His just making stuff, and some love it and some don’t. He’s never even claimed to do anything else. You should definitely watch him talk about some of this.
Personal oppinion or taste isn’t enough to determen if something is bad or not. Box of Stars and 100 000 Voices is some the most refreshing and exciting things I’ve heard in years, but you clearly don’t like people not sticking to ONE idea per song? 😅 Everytinw you hear percussion you’re claiming stuff to be bad
I think his music is pretentious and corny
Not my cup of tea
He has a lot of unique tones which I think is why a lot of people have trouble getting into his music. Unconventional singing and huge instrumentation and stuff. He just uses a lot of sounds that people aren't used to hearing so they don't gravitate towards it. At the end of the day it's just preference and it can take time to like his music. I could not stand his voice, lyrics and little bells and stuff at first but now I love his songs cause they're just plain fun. I would suggest listening to "Time Alone with You" or "The Sun is in Your Eyes" or some of his covers like "Here comes the Sun" if you want to try and see what the hype is all about. Haters like this guy just exist cause he's popular on the internet. It's gonna happen.
I don't think that last line is fair. I do think his music is very enamoured with how clever it is, that's a lot of it sounds incoherent and showy. Sounds funny, but Collier's music reminds me of AI music. Great technical musician though.
@@wizardaka Fun fact he actually is experimenting with AI generated sounds. Also if you already listen to Chick Corea and jazz it would probably sound more natural. And I do think it's fair to say people hate just to hate. He's highly adored and people who aren't into his style hate that.
Puerto rican?!? You have red hair lol i thought alec Baldwin was your dad
i am a a HUGE fan of Jacob Collier but i cannot more agree with you about Djesse Vol4. I think the previous albums of JC are still at the top of my list, but the flavor or the fourth is... non present ? I don't know how to qualify it... I like it tho, i knew that the following albums, the evolution throughout all the Djesses would arrive to the sound we hear in this album, it is as if it was written since "in my room". Because is music is evolving, he is experimenting more and more, and yeah, it doesn't resonate at all with me but i think we can totally agree that Jacob Collier shows us once again that he is SO polyvalent in music in general.
So yeah, I agree with you, the album is overproduced and all. But I think that is what Jacob wanted it to be, and can we blame that ?
I pity you for being unable to appreciate Collier's music.
Then again, you're not actually listening. Flicking through the album is not listening. You're just enjoying being an angry child a bit too much.
Complaining about the lack of texture with such a variety of music. Complaining that the music doesn't go anywhere, whilst skipping through the songs. It's all a bit silly.
Of course Collier doesn't have to be anyone's cup of tea. It seems the guy stopped caring about the peoples opinion a long time ago (crocs or bare feet, ugh). He sings in a slightly weird fashion (very pure notes, no vibrato, even though he can actually sing-sing), he prefers just intonation over equal temperament (which sounds a bit alien, because we're so used to equal temperament), he has custom five-strings guitars (which sound a bit alien, because we're used to six strings in standard tuning).
So there is enough to learn to appreciate. Or not, the world will keep on revolving no matter your opinion.
The kid can have an opinion. If you have a sense of humour and are a Jacob fan, don't tell me you don't get it. I don't agree with him myself but.. Funny. Very funny. Good luck on your musical journey youngblood!
he was doing operatic singing (kinda sounds like you're yawning) throughout the whole album and it sounded like shit. he may be talented enough to do that kind of thing but he doesn't understand that just because something is hard and impressive to pull off doesn't mean it sounds good. sure appreciate it all you want but you cant pretend its fun or enjoyable to listen to.
@@AbsoluteUnit333 Well, he has had classic singing lessons. In operatic singing tone is more important than articulation. Collier doesn't go that far and is perfectly intelligible.
Jacob Collier is a bit like black coffee in a world of sugary drinks. The first sip isn't particularly pleasant, but it does something enjoyable to your heart. Collier tugs at my heart strings like very, very few artists can.
Now, I'm not enough of a musician to grasp how he's breaking the rules, but when I notice something weird, Jacob probably has mentioned this in one of his song-rundowns. This willingness to teach and explain, takes away so much pretentiousness.
@@Bebop_2962 how does his music tug at your heart strings? No offence but his music has absolutely no personality or soul in it. The last thing his music could do to me is tug at my heart. Random complex beat and instrument changes don't do anything for me emotionally regardless of how talented you have to be to pull it off. Like genuinely idk what experiences someone might have that they could relate to in Jacob's music. A song I cry to for example is father time by Kendrick Lamar because of the themes he touches on. Auntie diaries also does it for a lot of people because they can relate to what he says and emotionally connect to him through it. I just can't say there's a single Jacob song that touches on relatable and emotionally provoking subjects. Please give one if there is but idk if someone with his upbringing is even capable of doing it. Charlie puth sure as hell couldn't do it either.
Collier's music is like modern art.. It is songs for pompous aholes to show other pompus aholes how much cool(tm) they are...when neither of them have any idea what the hell is going on!
Comment section really has Rick and morty fan vibes. You need big brain, you just don't get it! Gotta get an phd in cope to enjoy this album.
I would highly recommend listening to the songs all the way through before making a final opinion. At first, I felt very similar to your opinion, but after seeing Jacob's Instagram post and the unique textures, form, and timbre of some of these songs, I changed my mind. I respect your opinion. However, it's difficult to judge art without seeing the full canvas man.
"this album doesn't go anywhere" and he paused before it went somewhere
bet you 10 internet points that Mr Slime is infinitely worse
well thats your opinion, and i respect that, Collier isn't for everyone as for every bit of music, for me i love everything by Jacob, but thats just how i feel, as i have different preferences and like different things, he is so good though holy moly
Super “weird”? 😢
i mean, this rant has a lot, just a lot of american bias engraved in it, i think jacob is just too ambitious for most people's liking. and honestly i dont even listen to him on a daily basis, i feel like there's music to listen to and then there's music to LISTEN to, that i wouldn't put in a playlist that i use as background "noise". i get where you're coming from though.
Wow. Such a negative and juvenile so called "critique" of someone else's artistic offering. How on earth does giving a review like this make anyone feel good? There is no musical knowledge whatsoever displayed in your review. Have you tried listening to the full songs? With head / earphones? To quote from an earlier poster: "Very immature reaction, but hey, we have all been there. Don't waste your time or talent on being negative. Learn from others and be encouraging. I like that he shares and is very generous with his knowledge. Take what you can from him and use it the way you want to hear it instead." 8 wasted minutes of my life I will not get back.
I’m sorry that I offended you
Why click on a review if ur just gonna moan about it? The albums crap mate. Accept it.
Following the logic, why listen to an album if ur just gonna moan about it? How on earth do I know how the review is going to be until I have clicked on it and watched it? If someone is willing to say on UA-cam that they don't like something that I actually like, then I am entitled to respond. I have listened to many an album I do not like, the difference being I don't go on UA-cam and say that it is "The Worst Album of 2024" created by "The Worst Most Talented Musician". "The albums (sic) crap mate. Accept it.". No - we all have our opinions and I don't like to see a review that seems gratuitously negative. To quote from another poster: "my man!!... everybody has their own opinion and it's totally cool to not like something! however, it's not a great move to publicly disrespect somebody's work. criticism is always acceptable, and I'd say if you want to attract viewers who share your particular bias, you could stand to refine your approach a little bit. I hope you have lots of growth and success in your channel, but maybe consider expressing your opinion more maturely and respectfully.
Uau, ❤
@@JezChristopher I completely disagree with the notion that the review was 'gratuitously negative'. If someone produces a mediocre product, it's a critics literal job to inform them. If you want my thoughts, then I'd say that Jacob Collier is probably the most frustrating musician I've even known. How does someone with so much objective talent make such bland, boring, corporate-friendly advert music? I don't understand it. Jacob comes across as extremely arrogant and self-indulgent, somebody who cares more about proving his greatness than actually producing anything great. His songs completely lack soul and sound like they were written by an AI. He seems to believe that the more complicated and technically impressive a song is, the better it is. The songs on this album which discuss love/relationships read as if they were written by someone who has never been in love before; someone whose idea of love comes exclusively from TV. Point is, I understand and accept that Jacob Collier is, objectively and factually, a musical genius likely on the same level as Mozart. I've also never heard a single song by him which I enjoyed.
The point here is that Jacob doesn't try "not to sound corny or weird", he is an experimental composer who LOVES to eff around with harmonies. That's why most of his songs DO sound corny or weird, he is not constrained by sounding cool. Even in experimental music you can find beauty, but obviously it's a very niche audience. Not for everyone.
Even I get bored at times from his tomfoolery, but he has moments of maximum musical brilliance too, and it's in those very weird, overblown production gimmicks he does that you can find it with enough patience.
If anything, think of guys like him or Mononeon as the mad scientists of music that enable for other more mainstream artists to incorporate exotic musical elements in their stuff.
haha I too have wondered how come he sucks at making music. But maybe I'm just too smol brained to understand his shit. But yeah very noodly music that to me comes across as quite cacophonous and weird/boring. Not my cup, even if I love the guy talk about music and just his vibe in general.
I agree he’s a chill dude
@@Loganisnotaloserr Hey Logan, what are you listening too at the moment?
I love this album. You're wrong in every word😡😡😡
my man!!... everybody has their own opinion and it's totally cool to not like something! however, it's not a great move to publicly disrespect somebody's work. criticism is always acceptable, and I'd say if you want to attract viewers who share your particular bias, you could stand to refine your approach a little bit. I hope you have lots of growth and success in your channel, but maybe consider expressing your opinion more maturely and respectfully.
Knowing chord extentions doesn't mean you have some godlike knowledge of music
Well, unfortunately death metal has an obvious effect on its listeners : leaves them angry, sad and...apparently deaf. I may not be the greatest musician of all time but I know enough to understand when a genius tickles those ivories. Like it or not, Collier is a musical genius and his music is way better than what any two bit steel or car garage worker can do with its guitar strings just before he hangs himself with them. But I understand jelousy too. And this video reeks of it. The worst kind, that muted, impotent jealousy that makes you thrash someone knowing too well that you will never be able to do 5% of what he's able to do, may you live 100 lives.
This a cursed comment 💀💀💀
Moon river is one of the most beautiful things I've heard, but yeah the album was a let down
ok I fully agree but cinnamon crush is actually a really good song, probably the only collier song i like.
hahaha, luv it, I always think "who listens to these songs...?", they are really boring and terrible. there is only 1 or 2 songs of him that I like...
WELLLL is like AC/DC got 20 lead singers.
I like him
Chill
Appreciate it
You’re pretty good at being rebellious and contrarian. Not amazing, but pretty good. Also your video is a bit too long. 2 minutes would have done the trick. Keep practicing 🤘🏻
Substituting bland for white is so lazy, I think you could be less lazy with the quips throughout the video. I agree with the overall message of the video that sometimes I feel like Jacob Collier’s talent can be over utilized, he makes some of the most beautiful music when he just sits down any piano but he can do whatever he wants.
Try compare your music with his, and make a video of that to hear the result 😂😂😂😂
No I’m done listening to more Jacob Collier it’s rotted my brain
@@Loganisnotaloserr he’ gonna beat your ass
People enjoy his music and he makes a living doing what he loves. I GUARENTEE some day you will realize being "corny or weird" ain't so bad.
You should really spend more time making music you want to hear instead of bashing music you don't want to hear, if you ever want to be 4/100ths as successful as he is.
Just stating my opinion I’m not trying to be more successful than Jacob. I have other passions in life.
@@Loganisnotaloserr I mean success in terms of happiness not money or views.
@@srrymybadWell happiness is a subjective state of mind. Your saying not only do you know how happy Jacob is. You also know how happy the OP is. And you are able to take these feelings - and compare them with such accuracy that you can decide who is objectively happier? Even when feelings are by nature Subjective?
Ngl very impressive stuff
@@sheev973 No I was just giving advice to a younger dude cause we've all been there. In high school its so easy to hate on stuff that's not cool to you, but as you get older you start to realize that your perspective is very narrow. Plus you learn how hard it is to make a living doing anything remotely close to what you enjoy doing (especially in an industry like music). Just trynna save him some bad takes that he'll prolly laugh and cringe at in a few years.
At the end of the day all I'm saying is the people who go and do the things they love, tend to be much happier than the people who criticize them for being corny.
Btw your comment is amazingly ironic considering the context of his video is calling music trash/good completely subjectively. I guess I'm allowed to have an opinion too 😆
@srrymybad sure I am in highschool but my opinion of Jacob with never changed cuz I have the same opinion of him for the last 4 years. Regardless of that sure highschoolers are more critical and shy away from being honest with themselves due to being afraid of criticism. I honestly show up everyday as true as possible.I’m not just trashing on Jacob because I’m narrow minded. Im trashing on this because in my opinion Jacob makes shitty music.
So easy to criticize! Regardless of what anyone has to say about Jacob Collier positive or negative he’s just at the beginning of his journey. And as the years continue on, he shall continue to be an unstoppable force.
He’s 30
I need you to learn that some things just aren’t for you
Like undeniable talent
@@AlexiLaihoFan also just because you listen to a variety of music doesn’t make your opinion qualified
And I need you to learn that this kid's opinion won't hurt you, and that he shouldn't regret posting it.
@@omnipop4936 oops! Don’t care! This is the internet!
@jansensharp1246 I’m guessing ur a millennial by the use of exclamation marks
this is a very cool video good job. i’m ur biggest fan btw
I've never seen such an unbelievable collection of L takes in my life lmaoo whhattttt??
You got all these cats in the comments fired up haha, well done (and well said)
I always enjoy listening to critical viewpoints, but one thing you lack is substance. You make some fairly strong and definitive claims about Jacob's music. Could you also substantiate these claims? What about Jacob's singing makes it sound weird? Why is a song boring? Why do you say that Jacob sucks at composing? What specific aspects of composing does he fail at, and how would you improve it? Even though I'm a Jacob Collier fan, I like hearing what critics have to say. It's too bad that so few offer any in-depth insights.
Cuz his music is surface level shit idk what to say
Stop mixing up your opinion with fact. Not everyone feels the same! I love this album and that’s my opinion. I’m not telling you he’s the best musician ever.
This is a review never said that this is fact 💀💀💀
A mediocre singer who screams and destroys artists songs with his awful covers. Take his cover of Queen for instance, truly awful, yet we keep being told he's the master of all music 😂 even surpassing Beathoven, yeah right.
I’d imagine this is what AI music sounds like. Overly complicated, soulless, plastic. Just shit really
Jaccob collier is the Eric Weinstein of music
He listens to music by skipping in and seeing if there’s a beat change towards the 3/4 mark💀 learn how to properly structure a critique prior to making a video like this. You don’t know what you dislike because it’s harmoniously different to what you’re used to. Your critique is built around a notion or simplistic structure, but in what way is it sonically, rhythmically, or chord-ally basic? What about the mix and eq? How about the conceptual prospect of the album? Is it reflected in the audio?
But if the vibes not right the vibes not right pretty quickly…
Possibly the worst opinion of all time. I don’t have the same taste as Jacob all the time but to say he’s not good is the most outrageous thing I’ve heard this month, and I surround myself with stupid people to feel smart.
He didn't say he wasn't good. In fact he said the opposite multiple times. He just said the album sucked.
That sunshine song melody on the verse is complete garbage. No actual professional topliner would let that pass when he mechanically runs down the major scale to the root. Lmfao. Cringe central dtation
Win a handful of Grammys starting when you're a teenager and have music greats like Herbie Hancock talk about how amazing you are with harmony, then come talk to us about music. You're speaking from a pop punk predictable music perspective. Jacob is genreless, and he explores. Ya, it's hard to connect with some of his stuff, I actually hope he releases a simple album someday with every song like Little Blue. But it's impossible to disregard his talent. His stuff won't resonate with people like you.
U clearly didn’t watch the video because i listen to all kinds of music. Also tf is a pop punk perspective? Jacobs music is not hard to understand it’s just not great in my opinion don’t act all superior 💀💀💀
I listen to progressive music all the time and Jacobs is really bad prog music imo
@@LoganisnotaloserrL
I love how everyone is trying to teach you a lesson when you are simply stating your opinion. I have played music my whole life and I completely agree with you. His music is unrelatable, overproduced, and gimmicky. I truly think the only ppl who listen to him are redditors.
If his music is unrelatable, why does have hundreds of millions of streams of his songs (quite possibly more than a billion). If his music is 'overproduced' and 'gimmicky' why do basically all the worlds best and most influential musicians (of all genres) love it? Give yer head a wobble
@@OwenEastwoodMusicwho told you that basically all the musicians love him??? 😭😭
@@honotolu I initially wrote my dissertation on Jacob (before last minute switching) so I had to do a lot of research on how he is perceived by other top level musicians. In the end I gave up looking for anything even remotely negative or neutral because of the sheer number of world class musicians showering him and his music with adoration and praise.
Quincy called him 'beyond category ' and 'one of his favourite young artists on the planet'. Pat Metheny said Jacob was the 'first significant 21st century musician'. Similar quotes exist from Herbie, Hans Zimmer, John Mayer, Steve Vai, Jamie Cullum, Eric Whitaker, Ben Folds, Stormzy, Chris Martin, Jason Rebello, Tori Kelly and hundreds of others. It's hard to overstate how loved he is by the worlds best musicians.
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Respect to you, sir, for giving your honest (albeit fringe) opinion on a musician that people are pretty fanatical about. I agree with you for the most part!
Collier's mother is of chinese descent, so I think it is save to assume that LoganTheGinger is more white then Jacob Collier.
I’m actually Puerto Rican 💀💀💀
@@Loganisnotaloserr If you're puerto rican...why are you white?
I'm not gonna watch this whole video but there is absolutely something that needs to be said about Collier. In my opinion, it's his endless need for maximalism: trying to fit the world-in-a-box in every song, and jackin off to how complicated his mixes are.
He put out one good album and then jumped straight into "hey guys, I'm doing four concept albums back to back to back for the next five years," instead of letting us get to know him better through his songwriting. If he DOESN'T strip way down after this, I will tune out and lose some respect for him. Too many cooks spoil the broth and Jake is addicted to every spice in the cabinet-often his cooking tastes bad. His best work are usually his ballads cause he can't thrust his every whim onto them, they need emotional restraint.
Also, there is the enormous cheese-factor... when he tries to slap flimsy Trap samples onto tracks it sounds so lame and forced. He is absolutely capable of not dialing it in, but then he emblazons his tracks with ephemeral references like "wiggle, wiggle, wiggle." It's so cringeworthy.
He needs to mature as an artist because nobody can point to a single song of his and say "that changed my life." He's proven everything there is to prove except for that. His Grammys are all for arrangements for covers he's done while his originals lack growth. He's got to take songwriting way more seriously. Restraint, Jacob... Djessus.
You say that nobody can point to a single song that he's made and say that it's left a profound impact, but that's a very clear bias imo, at least based on his fans comments. It's fair to state your own opinion, but it's presumptuous to speak on behalf of everyone else.
Between Jacob Collier, and Louis Cole, I personally lean more towards the latters style of Jazz Fusion, in stuff like his latest Knower album, because it's just a bit more restrained, in a rather subtle way. Though maybe it's also just a taste thing. Using food as an analogy in the way you use spices, he does use a very, very rich palette in his dense song structure. Sort of like the cookie dough I once tasted in Liverpool; really sweet, to the point where it can be a bit too much for the tastebuds. Or another way of looking at it is Death Metal; I wouldn't buy a DM album expecting to really resonate much with it, because the musical components it's leaning into doesn't do much for me, in the same way not everyone likes having a thousand huge manic chord progressions stuffed into one track. But it clearly has its audience.
Honestly it seems like rather a curse to be considered things like the next mozart, or an unrivaled genius, at least partially because it makes people thrice as cynical towards your efforts. Not pointing at yourself when I say that, but it's definitely something I've observed in places. I find it hard to lose any respect for someone who's goals and efforts are focused on musical exploration, regardless of whether it vibes with me or not.
(I'm writing this at 4am so I hope this comment doesn't come out as a chimpanzee flailing around on my keyboard lol. I'm quite tired, but I think I've managed to word things how I meant to)
@@ominouspigeonmaster1571You happened to pick my most hyperbolic line to rebuke but that's okay. What I was implying was that he has not had one proper hit, which are often more in the public awareness. (Daniel Caesar has, though.) He's featured on some, but no, he has not yet succeeded as a solo songwriter in the way he has succeeded as a musician.
He can pursue whatever he wants, but the feeling from this comment section (not you, just in general) that any criticism of him is automatically wrong just because he knows a lot about music theory is beyond weird to me. I will lose respect for him if he doesn't take songwriting seriously because he is undoubtedly an unproven talent in that regard, and the Djesse project has more than worn its welcome. He needs to pivot if he wants a long career, I guarantee Herbie and Quincy would tell him so. Take one of his favorite artists: how many Stevie Wonder hits do we all know? Too many.
Now, of course, the streaming era is a hell-world of its own making, the old music industry is completely dead and the youth now barely remember how things used to be. I won't get into that much (genres used to be diverse and only sometimes cross-pollenate, not *devour* each other to death) but the key is that there's no simple way to assess his success, as "streams" aren't enough and he's not really on the radio, nor is record sales a reliable metric anymore. So all I have to go by is whether or not most people know any Jacob Collier songs and the answer is a resounding no-industry limbo notwithstanding. If he's going to continue in pop, he needs to write some pop.
There is absolutely a ton of space for maximalism *within* minimalism too; he doesn't need to abandon all the fluff he does, he just needs to reign it in and make it work on a smaller scale or in different areas. There are tons of unique talents who've done this: Bobby Mcferrin, Al Jarreau, Steely Dan, Michael McDonald, etc.
Jacob is currently residing in the ultimate version of "jack of all trades, master of none" territory, and he admits as much. I really do think he will focus on songwriting next. If I had to call my annoyance anything, I'd call it "look-what-I-can-do fatigue." While I might enjoy all the disparate elements he uses on their own, I don't often enjoy them together, and I don't think it's just a taste thing. (I could be much more harsh about it but it's an anger that comes from wanting the guy to have a career, not a gimmick.) I think the public would agree were there a way to assess that.
Louis Cole is the opposite. Not only do we get all his incredible musicianship and composition, but we get to hear: just Louis-just him and his honest thoughts in the form of song. He is a great songwriter and can very easily communicate complex emotions through lyrics, though he also humors himself with funny detours. LC is screwed by the industry because I am 100% certain that, with the 80s or 90s industry behind him, he'd have been everywhere. If Collier had the same support, I believe he'd be seen as more of a jazz or prog guy and, while very clever and interesting, not fit for heavy rotation. See: Frank Zappa
I know Jacob can write songs. I don't know if he can get in touch with his darker side in order to write well. I know he can keep it simple, I don't know if he can admit that he should. If he needs to relax after Djesse he'll probably veer into instrumental jazz or otherwise territory, which is fine but still avoiding the one thing that will sustain him the most. He needs songs that anyone can remember and anyone can sing. The wall of vocal harmonies thing is not going to last forever. We need to hear: just Jacob. I think that's reasonable.
Sorry for writing too much here-I shouldn't have, really. But I'll just leave it with an anecdote from after seeing Jacob's show in NYC in 2018 or 2019. I met up with some girls I met there and we all went to eat and discuss it. One was a Black girl from MIT. I was candid with my opinions in the same way and they all readily agreed. The flimsy drums, the over-mixing of styles, etc. They were the ones to first call it cheesy or corny, not me.
Mind you, we had just watched and enjoyed his show! But they said the album versions were just trying to be everything all at once and got in their own way. They all wanted to hear something simple and powerful instead. That could be a live album, a stripped down album, or anything else. We all agreed he was intentionally creating the epitome of overproduction. The fact remains that when his fans want to show people his music, unless they understand music theory, the response is often negative. Collier kinda peacocks his music just because he can, but we don't live in that feathery world. I'm telling you, he's got to pivot towards the simple.
The album is a mess. I don't care if he has perfect pitch or if he can play a million instruments or has a billion IQ. This album 100% feels like the product of an overactive imagination trying to cram a million things into each song, and no one being there to stop it.
Skips over Bridge Over Troubled Water:
“No song goes anywhere”
Yeah, bro. The song that’s most likely gonna win next year’s grammy for Best Arrangement “doesn’t go anywhere”
Yebba carried that song hard honestly
That is a song by Simon and Garfunkel, obviously he can do good when someone else made the song, even then he fucks up the whole thing and made it unbearable, Garfunkel does way better job by himself...
I almost threw up listening to your whining. If you don't like it, you don't have to listen to it bro...
I hate the term “you don’t have to listen to it” I didn’t know I was gonna not like it. Also u should probably go to a doctor if ur gonna throw up also go to a doctor to fix ur music taste cuz Jacobs latest album sucks big time
@@Loganisnotaloserr When people say "you don't have to listen to it' they mean "you don't have to continue listening to it". If you don't like it then just move on. I personally don't like Led Zeppelin's music (controversial, I know), but I'm not gonna waste my time making a video whining about why I dislike it. Because no one cares.
@zugrath16 u should make a video abt ur dislike of Zeppelin ill watch it.
@@Loganisnotaloserr I can summarize it really quick - when I listen Led Zeppelin my mind associates it with things that I don't like, which in turn creates negative emotions inside of me. These negative emotions hold me back from appreciating the musical ideas in their songs. I can appreciate how skilled they are but my own personal associations with their music makes me dislike it.
One day in will probably experience some things in life which makes me look at their music from a different perspective. Then I might appreciate their musical ideas, who knows. But until then, I don't. Everyone has connections to music like this, which makes my opinion not very relevant. The end.
@andrut04 you also don't have to watch the video bro.... 😂
Art is subjective man
Skipping through the album is why you prolly don't like it😭
I listened to the whole album multiple times. This video is just condensed
@@Loganisnotaloserr oh okay
Who are you? 😂
My name is Logan I’m 17 and I like b dubs
Also I strongly dislike Jacob collier’s music
The more you but fuck your songs with layers, if not for effect of building energy, your components suck so you have to but fuck it with 100 layers