@@moiseslopez981 what sasuke can just open a portal and put sarada inside of it... then he's protecting her and can just flat out kill madara. Also madara was killed by a sword, so I see no reason why sasuke couldn't just swap his armor and sasukes swords places to kill him.
@@joshlee7666 no noodles and kabuki are NOT the same. I don’t like noodles much but that debate with swag was not as clear cut as people act and kabuki is just imposingly stupid. I am convinced and truly believe he’s trolling and is just extremely good at it.
The debate in a nutshell: Swag: Sakura is stronger than naruto who was stronger than so6p Madara who is stronger than ems madara Kabuki:how? Six:that’s irrelevant Afrosenju: but bro what about experience
All you really need to win this argument is just The stabilised Kaguya that Sakura punched was stronger than the Kaguya that Sasuke stated was far stronger than 3 eyed Juubidara. That juubidara was stronger than 2 eyed juubidara, who was stronger than God tree absorbed Juubidara that Naruto and Sasuke assfucked. That juubidara is stronger than the juubidara who fought guy, and got cut in half by Naruto. That juubidara is stronger than 1 rinnegan sage mode Madara, who was stronger than blind sage Madara, who was stronger than Edo Madara, who is arguable stronger than Ems Madara, or is at worst a tiny bit weaker. THATS 8 FUCKING DEGREES OF POWER SEPERATION THERE. I really don't see how people can even really debate that Sakura can't kill EMS Madara other than "but Madara tho, he's Madara, he's so cool, he strong!"
It's an objective fact that Madara would stomp Sakura though. Even considering that Sakura is on the same level as sage mode Hashirama who BARELY defeated Madara in the final valley is mind numbingly stupid. Sakura cannot defeat a perfect susanoo and full powered kyubi.
He did the same thing when Seth clapped him and Afro about lightspeed. He's a sore loser and doesn't understand the flow of debates. He doesn't like what he hears and he will lash out and overreact.
@@Nyfebtw like these debates would be so much better if Kabuki wasn't involved. Not to trash him as a person but in these debate videos he's the most annoying and arrogant person involved. Swag and Sixx kept trying to get past something and Afro was being very understanding then you've got Kabuki "Why tho bro? What are you smoking? Your smoking crack man." Like damn lol hes all in his feels.
AfroSenju says that he gets why Six is getting frustrated that Kabuki is interrupting, but then why bring someone who can't debate? Kabuki is unable to have a conversation. He got angry, yelled at people, was extremely condenscending, interrupts often, asks questions and don't let others answer, asks questions that are irrelevant and then has the audacity of asking "bro why u mad?" Wtf is this dude. And yes, I get that Six started to insult, which was uncalled for and Swag started to act like a child, but none of this would've happened if this Kabuki person wasn't there. Why invite him in the first place? All the points of the debate could've been discussed in the first hour. Instead we got 3 hours of people talking over each other.
Thank you. It's so goofy seeing people blame Six's insults for why the debate went wrong. Like you said, it was uncalled for, but looking at THAT and not what happened before is just. . . . . . Goofy, man. Like this is supposed to be a debate and Kabuki isn't debating. If you know even a little bit on how a debate should function and how burden of proof works, (I think that's what it's called) you'd know Kabuki and Afro lost
@@anicechannel1564 Yep. It seemed like Kabuki was unable to understand the points that Six and Swag were making. Either that or he was trolling. Because most of the time, they were making their points and Kabuki would just ignore it or repeat what he was saying before. It's maddening. I obviously don't support people insulting each other, but I think they reached a breaking point, you know. Like, how are you suppose to remain calm when the guy is screaming "I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU THINK X COULD BEAT Y", "BRO R U SMOKING CRACK"?
@@doishooligan It’s not because he wasn’t unable to understand Six’s and Swag’s arguments, but rather the fact that he didn’t want to acknowledge how sound their argument was. He completely denied the Boruto databook that came from Kishimoto himself. Kabuki is just a hard head that doesn’t like to be wrong.
@@gameboisam Could be that as well. I really don't know cause I've never watched the man's content. I only know him by this debate and the one Minato debate against Seth. In both of them he was awful, but this one is just insanity.
Both sides clearly didn't know how to debate but swagkage and six did a better job Laying out their argument. The issue is that it was completely Over exaggerated and made up with no statements from the manga or anime that's why I can understand why kabuki lost it. Sakura stands a 00.00 chance against madara. If fighting fake jinchuriki (weaker than a real one)is her feat? Madara has tamed the second strongest beast (nine tails)
Swag: So Kabuki threw my intense and multy level detailed debate I will now ask you to disprove my current points Kabuki: No you're wrong Swag: Kabuki you need to provide an argument to why I'm wrong prove it Kabuki: No you prove it wrong, You're reaching, Your smoking crack saying shins nut sack hair could one shot juubi 3 Rinnegan Madara. Swag: Huh?!?
It’s clear that swag and six take this more seriously and it’s actually disrespectful that Afro allows kabuki to derail the conversation. Kabuki is not debating he’s in the conversation for a chaotic argument. Debates are supposed to be structured.
Afro just doesn’t belong at this table. Kabuki doesn’t belong in the same state. But Afro just doesn’t have the knowledge or debate ability that they have. He lacks common sense and the basic ability to understand argumentive points. It’s legit like a 4th grader tryna debate politics with a college student
@@trev9168 The way Afro goes out of his way to try to word things to sound more intelligent than he really is annoys me. All he does is expose himself, because it just sounds odd. Fans watch the videos and streams to be entertained, not to administer an IQ test.
@@trev9168 completely agree that was kinda the main thing that made me click on this video a debate video like this was lowkey the last place I expected to see afro this is definitely not his area of expertise
@@insanoibro6331 But 6 has a 7 killing ability and I like 6 more, don’t you understand that 6 wins the fight? It doesn’t matter that 7 is light speed and 6 is lightning speed, 6 is literally too strong to lose
@@mr.effigy3885 nah honestly I’d flip the script and make him explain his logic which they started to do but they didn’t commit to it, because once he’s fumbling and can’t actually bring up points I’ll then say that if he can’t even back up his own points THEN it’s irrelevant. That man would self destruct
@@jbwolf4 didn’t they try that for like a straight hour, but kabuki just wouldn’t give them any arguments? Lmao, swag was begging him for a debate but nothing came of it
@@mr.effigy3885 as I said they didn’t really commit, he just screamed louder and they dropped it. Worst comes to worst I’d have muted him but I wouldn’t resort to roasting his accent the man is already making a fool out of himself you don’t need to stoop to his level cause then it becomes a mess like it was
I SWEAR, ITS ALMOST 6AM, IM FUCKING AT THE “SHUT UP” SECTION AND IM DEAD 😂😂😂😂😂 Btw I was able to follow Swags and Six’s points the whole time, maybe if Afro was able to bring scans and statements from the series ABOUT ems madara, they maybe could’ve made an counter argument but this…. Is was easy dubs ngl Good debate tho
@@TheHeroRobertELee prove it or it's not true, provide some proof Edit: I after this under another comment debated them, and predictably, their arguments were trash
Afro and Kabuki is literally the representation of the average Naruto fan in a vs battle debate 😂. They don't even understand what proof means, they keep asking for one even though swag and six already give a very clear proof. And worst of all, afro and Kabuki's arguments on why sakura can't one shot Madara wasn't backed of by any proof at all. This doesn't fell like a debate at all tbh 😂. Edit : kabuki's whole argument is basically "I don't believe that, therefore it's false"
Swag: A Tortoise gets beaten By a Hydrogen bomb because it capable of leveling multiple cities in an instant Senju: But Tortoise live longer so they have more *E X P E R I E N C E*
@@TheHeroRobertELee just found this comment, are you actually serious? Like, I was asking for proof, you utter neanderthal, how am I acting like a child for asking you to prove something you said, jesus.
@@chrispham2277I don’t agree with Swag here at all but Jesus these other guys the fuck was that guys name Kabuki? Bruh they’re so damn obnoxious and annoying 🤦♂️
2:21:16 - 2:23:43 is the winning moment of the entire debate. Swag's points are quite concisely given, very much related to the debate topic, and there's almost no interruption to his talking, which leads to the victorious practically-final statement. Afro and Kabuki should've conceded there.
@@demon_hawkeye5269 Goku has more experience than Madara as a whole, the difference between VotE Madara and 3 eye Juubi Madara experience wise is like 5 fights, but 3 of those 5 fights were stomps (Allied Shinobi Alliance, 5 Kage, Naruto and the Bijuu) while the other two (Hashirama then SPSM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke) didn't really give him more experience since one was a fight he had already done and he was just waiting for his powers to come back while the other was mostly his clones while he flew up to Infinite Tsukoyomi.
Kabuki seems to have forgotten that in a debate like this it's important to leave any preconceptions at the door. Especially given the fan conceptions behind these twos standing
@@derek90909 So then Madara is, since he can slice mountains and control Kurama against his will. And drop metorites on a village for fun, Naruto and Sasuke casually peform these of powerful feats.
Swag and Six made the mistake of debating two guys who didn't even know the difference between lightning and light. Even though Swag also said he didn't come into this debate being that serious and wanted to have fun, Afro admitted to not taking this debate seriously and that they were going to make this a joke. Anyone who is serious about debating, or in Swag's case where he isn't a debator but takes them seriously when he does engage in them, should *NEVER* debate Afro or Kabuki. Nothing productive ever gets done. They also needed someone to moderate so people could be muted, what forms of each character were used and call someone out whenever they are talking about something that doesn't pertain to the debate.
Man I’ve watched this so many times and every single time it always astounds me how kabuki possibly thought he ever made a single point in this entire debate… like holy shit bro…
To be fair swags analogies against that claim were dumb , experience doesn’t matter in dbz cause raw power is the only thing that matters , experience matters in naruto cause strategy and wit can win fights
@@yellowsupercar366 I agree. Experience can make a huge difference in a battle. Only reallife fighters will understand this compare to people who just typing their opinions in a computer without any knowledge
Afrosenju has failed twice in vs battles & Shikai didn't make this any better 😧..That argument Afro tried to use with experience is 🗑 past a certain point as swag was mentioning..
I'd agree with Afro on the experience side. While Swag does make a good point in the fact that Sakura faced "more threatening opponents" Madara literally grew up in the warring period. It's said countless times that the Uchiha and Senju are the two strongest clans of that time and no other clans really comes close. Proven by the fact that these two clans are basically mercenaries for hire by other clans/villages (if they had villages at this point I don't remember) but that alone over the years would make Madara battle hardened.
They needed a mod from the start lol also afro saying six was a flight risk was HILARIOUS, btw Swag wasn't necessarily wrong for saying the ten pound bag of feathers or the hammer would likely injure someone BUT no way is it to the same degree. Density and concentration plays a factor like he mentioned earlier also imagine someone is swinging these objects at you. The feathers would need a significant amount of force behind it to replicate the damage a hammer could do.
omg, a person that know simple laws of physics... thank you, you restored a part of my faith in humanity (it might sound like sarcasm, but just because i actually have no faith in it left)
He’s not actually trying to debate the physics or damage of 10 pounds of feathers to brick, he’s just pointing out that they can weigh the same when stacked up even though feathers are light af compared to bricks…..
Ok so at literally the very end they talk about it and clearly say if the feathers were somehow super condensed and compress them than it would do the same damage, which is true it’s just hard to condense them that much
After the Minato vs Akatsuki/ Seth vs Kabuki and Afro I’ve just immediately expected Kabuki to act like this, it’s insane what flies over his head sometimes.
Also, I love Afro but the experience argument is just dumb. To call anything else head cannon while claiming experience will sway the battle when there is no way to quantify the effect that would have, and still doesn’t cover the insane power gap.
@@kaienglish271 You are claiming that experience can close a power gap, I just want to know how much experience matters in a fight to you. How far can experience help you against a stronger foe, and when does that experience just stop mattering?
It's so simple to moderate. Just mute everyone and have them push to talk. If someone interrupts, they get a penalty. 3 interruptions you're out of the debate.
Mizuki, an adult chunin, got assblasted by chapter 1 Naruto. Experience can augment Madara's chances to win but are not a defeater to any of Swag/Six's arguments.
@@juliuscorrea2863 Your point is still right though. Other examples are Danzo x Sasuke, Jiraiya x Pain, Kabuto x Naruto, Hiruzen x Orochimaru, etc. I would really like to understand what went through Afro's head to use experience as the only argument in the debate and not do enough research to realize it's contradictions.
@@doishooligan This thing desperately needed a mod. Swag and Six have learned a lot but it takes more experience in debating to be able to keep the flow going, like just telling Afro "Hey I understand but we don't agree on the exp thing and Madara has plenty of other shit going for him so let's move on"
its interesting that Afro says its strange to use the "weakest" version of Madara against the strongest version of Sakura, but in reality if anything its the closest they would be in age which makes it all the more fair. Whereas Shippuden Sakura would be like using stone skipping Madara who is featless
I don't get why people don't understand that ALL of Team Seven achieved levels beyond both Valley of the End Hashirama and Madara, not just Naruto and Sasuke. In terms of Adult Sakura's strength, she's literally the single most powerful striker in the entirety of the series post-war, and is confirmed to have become more powerful since there through the novels. She COULD conceivably one-shot practically anyone who doesn't have Susano'o level defenses, as Tsunade is shown to have obliterated Edo Madara's body upon striking him and was breaking through his Susano'o, and Adult Sakura is confirmed to be multiple levels above that strength level. Plus, Sakura matching the strength of the Limbo Clones during the war and managing to damage Kaguya. Their whole argument against Sakura one-shotting people being 'she hasn't done it' is absurd based on these. It's been directly stated by characters throughout the series that Tsunade and Sakura hitting someone with their full strength will decide that fight, and this was before Sakura even achieved this level. Sakura would one shot Madara if she could land a powerful enough strike. So could she? Is Valley Madara a better combatant in terms of experience? Yes. But these guys saying Adult Sakura wouldn't beat him more times than not is just embarrassingly ignorant since the opponents Sakura was fighting during the war alone scale above anyone Valley Madara faced and his loss to Hashirama show's he flatlines below there. In base as an Adult over a decade later, she was swapping hands with Shin, who was actively using a Mangekyo Sharingan against her and she was smacking his ass around. No, Shin's Dojutsu is probably not on the level of Valley Madaras, but it tracks that the weakest version of Adult Sakura is capable of at least swapping hands with a Mangekyo Sharingan wielding opponent for a short time. Stack on top of that her going all out, releasing her seal and activating Creation Rebirth: Strength of a Hundred (that Edo Madara compares Tsunades version to Hashirama's own healing jutsu and Madara only barely managed to contend with that and Adult Sakura's is stronger) which amps her strength and speed significantly and renders her basically immortal while she has Chakra Reserves left, she has access to seals which just require her to touch someone to paralyze them and lets not forget that her Medical Ninjutsu during the novels, before she's even an adult, is so advanced that she literally punches someone and breaks them down at a cellular level, then heals them at the same time to overwhelm their own healing factor instantly. Sakura COULD hit Valley Madara if they swapped hands. Literally the only things Valley Madara conceivably have that would even concern Adult Sakura are his Perfect Susano'o or if he had control of the Kurama, plus Susano'o coated Kurama. And even then, Adult Sakura does have answers to the amount of power these things can output (Creation Rebirth is absurd in what Tsunade was tanking and Adult Sakura is far beyond that) and I believe she could take out Kurama as her physical damage output does scale above anything Valley Hashirama and his Wood constructions were using against him at the time. Sakura is also shown to have access to sealing Jutsu during the main series, so it tracks Adult Sakura could actually just have a sealing Jutsu to remove Kurama from the fight entirely. Perfect Susano'o on offense could be a problem for Adult Sakura to straight up tank, but I don't actually think it's defensive capabilities during the Valley can outmatch what Sakura can output in terms of physical damage. This is because she scales so far above Tsunade, and Tsunade at full power was capable of straight up breaking Madara's base Susano'o and, again, because Adult Sakura scales above the physical damage output Valley Harshima was capable of.
I do wanna say that Sakura during the war tanked a truth seeking orb from sosp madara stabbing her and still managed to get off a punch on madara (even though it was blocked by limbo) So her tanking a perfect susanoo blade would be childs play from a weaker version and adult sakura would proabaly not even be effected by it at all.
@@kingrhodes9572 That's pretty cap. An orb is not gonna destroy a mountain due to it being a small concentrated attack over an attack that covers a significant area. The orb is way stronger but she's not tanking a perfect susanoo blade unscathed. Idk about Sakura winning since if Sasuke didn't show up to save her, shin Uchiha would've killed her and I know damn well Shin Uchiha is not putting any work on Madara with his magneto MS.
@@joshlee7666 I forgot about this comment. BUT. My argument still stands. Sakura in boruto used her base power against shin. No hundred healing and no Katsyua summoning. Rewatch that fight. Sakura really isn't that serious during it. Also it doesn't matter if you wanna say that tso is a concentrated attack. It's way stronger then madars sword even if it has a larger range. Sakuras durability and healing factor would pretty much heal as the sword sliced through her. And if tsunade can break the susanoo Armour. Sakura can too since tsunade states Sakura is stronger then her at the time. I won't fully commit to saying that Sakura as a teen is stronger then madara alive. But the thing is Boruto changes so many things. Shin is not stronger then madara but he is strong. At least past end of war arc/before all the power ups happen. Adult Sakura could smack madara if she goes full out and she wouldnt have a scratch on her because she would heal so ridiculously fast. I do respect that you took the time to comment. Thank you and I respect your opinion.
@@kingrhodes9572 You act like the dude didn't fight Hashirama who could literally heal himself without releasing a pool of Chakra or making hand signs, so the regeneration isn't an issue. You act like Tsunade solo, broke the untouched Susanoo in one punch. A tailed beast isn't an a problem form him, so a giant slug summoning isn't really a factor. She would have to able to land a hit on him and it's very doubtful, especially if it's just a 1v1. Sakura is a close range fighter who's not gonna speed blitz someone with an EMS or Rinnegan.
How tho. I'm confused. Sakura got clapped by shin uchiha and hes weak what. I bet pain could kill him. How we've seen her fight in boruto, going all out and it was nothing like what madara did. In the novels she kept up with like a 6 tailed pseudo tailed beast. Madara with no eyes beat all of the tailed beast. How, this is like the borushiki being stronger than naruto and sasuke. Momoshiki is weaker than naruto at full power so how is boruski (basically momoshiki in borutos body) beating that. That momoshiki isn't even in his fused state anymore which makes him even weaker. Sakura is not that strong. I read that novel of hers I know what she can do and that fight against shin eish he had a shitty doujutsu ability and he won her. I'm done with this Fandom yall reaching far as fuck
@@simpae2731 No, you just cannot power scale at all. 'Sakura got clapped by Shin' in the manga she literally fucking one shot him dude. 'I bet pain could kill him', there's literally no way you can prove this at all. Adult Sakura would destroy any version of Madara, let alone EMS. She scales to Adult Gaara in speed, who then scales to Momoshiki in speed. She was also able to harm Kaguya, regardless of if she was off guard or not. Stop being so closed minded and accept the fact that your favourite anime villain got passed up a long time ago....This isn't 2016 anymore dude lol.
@@Shadzyyy still shes struggled against a pseudo 9 tails beast thingy. Didn't madara body all 9 tailed beast with no eyes. Easily also. She struggled and dont you dare lie to me I read that novel.
This reminds me how much I hate how Kishimoto wrote Sakura. She had SO much potential, but the writer decided to sideline her into being a healer when she SHOULD be fighting!
Considering how rude kabuki was and how he disregarded everything that was presented to him and not even allowing six and swag to explain their arguments and supporting evidence and with how long Afro used his madaras experince argument as if that was the only factor omg this whole debate turned into my feelings tho . You know what swags’s noodles debate was less painful to listen too
Watching the noodles debate and then this one makes me feel so sorry for swag lmao. He gets people who just hate to listen and don’t know the first thing about debates. And I thought noodles was a bad opp but holy hell kabuki is like a whole other level
Shout out to Afro for consistently being the calmest out of everyone and acting as the mediator for both sides despite being on one side of the argument.
Afro was terrible lol, he was literally trying to ignore logical points by repeating "That's not relevant" in a condescending way. He also kept cutting off swag and six AND whenever Kabuki insulted someone he ignored it, but when six insulted him back he complained. Afro is not good at this lol
@@WaveHashira No he doesn't he can't understand the logic of a sound argument and repeats things like "what about experience?" Then they ask him to explain how experience matters and he says "It does!". You can't be a good mod without being able to understand who's coming with a logical argument, they literally showed him databook statements and he refused to accept it as proof! You seriously can't think he's good when he doesn't understand any logical points and backs terrible illogical points. He's bias and ignorant, how's that a good mod?
@Richocket very true six paths sage mode was stronger by itself than KCM 2 stacked with Sage mode so Naruto was like leagues stronger than he was before
@@pabliko81 _Her attention wasn’t focused on Sakura. You ask how she could catch Kaguya off guard yet you acknowledged the fact that Naruto, the guy standing right in front of Kaguya was able to catch her off guard. In the manga, Kaguya never bothered paying any attention to Sakura. Kakashi specifically says “We’re not worth her attention.” She completely ignored Kakashi & Sakura. The whole plan was to divide her attention. She was too busy trying to get away from Naruto & Sasuke that she didn’t notice Sakura (someone who she never paid attention to from the start to begin with)._
I'm convinced afto bring kabuki to debates just so he can derail the conversation, and distract people from the fact that he doesn't know how to debate.
Their mistake was thinking there were lower forms of Madara. That’s where Afro went wrong. Kabuki literally doesn’t even know what’s happening. And Adult Sakura 100% speed blitzes VOE Madara before he can react. Her AP literally out scales that Madaras durability. These guys have no debating skill at all. Tsunade literally punched Edo Madara to pieces, actually blew him in half. The debate was over the moment they said “Kaguya couldn’t kill VoE Madara with a single attack”. Sakura in base was relative to Shin and actually wasn’t even being overpowered. Their only argument was literally “experience” which literally is irrelevant especially in cases like Kaguya vs Naruto/Sasuke all their experience did not matter because of her RAW POWER.
If Kabuki wasn't here this could of beeen an awesome thought provoking and civil debate. Swag Six and Afro have well thought out maticulous arguments, and then all of a sudden "WHY DIDN'T SHE ONE SHOT SHIN????"
This could've ended afros experience over power debate: if experience matters so much then why did Kakashi explain to naruto in the FIRST ARC that there are many children stronger than him. Clearly he had more experience than someone like haku or itachi yet they would most likely crush him. Honestly Afro shouldn't even be debating these two
So the points comes down to “If Sakura is able to connect a punch with Madara, she will kill him”, along with “Sakura can blitz Madara”. The counter points that are being made is that “Madara would not allow Sakura to get near him after seeing what Sakura can do, unlike Kaguya”. Guessing the counter would be that Madara would too slippery for Sakura to catch, however the counter to that would be is that it wouldn’t in his character. That’s what I got from this lol
What’s stupid about this is kakahsi has more experience then Naruto. And Naruto would one shot him. So what’s the difference with this? If Sakura is matching the version of madara with the 10 tails and rinnegan then her stronger soul have an easier time with a way weaker madara.
I wonder if Afro ever comes back to this debate and realizes how goofy he looked lmao And watching him flip flop attitudes after Kabuki antagonized Six deliberately was really frustrating too
Everything kabuki says started at “why don’t we just use there primes” like this dude possibly couldn’t have made a single Naruto based video the way he debates or just talks about Naruto in general
Watching this back again tbh even Afro doesn’t know how to debate bruh cuz neither him or kabuki understood basic analogy’s and saw everything as irrelevant cause it wasn’t a Sakura or Madara feat
this is the greatest ball of half trues ,headcanon garbage I have ever seen 👏🏿 👏🏿 you won the award for most delusional Sakuratard lmao Sakura byakugou doesn't increase her strength because the technique sol purpose is to use the regenerative ability cause her lack of chakra. Sakura did zero damage to madara limbo clone and was unable to speed blitz him and needed to be saved by naruto and sasuke. Sasuke implies that Sakura was useless in the fight with madara and Kaguya also proves that to be a fact(its weird how Kaguya didn't want Sakura high chakra reserves but wanted naruto chakra hmmm) It's a fact that clones are not faster than the original but your logic is saying that they are because the clone moved them out the way. Maybe we missed the part where naruto overpowered Kaguya or where naruto ripped off Kaguya arm by actually speed blitzing her. Sakura was a non-factor until kakashi plan made her useful( she was invisible to Kaguya). Sakura never stated to fast, stronger than anyone. Never stated to be a hokage level or higher than tsunade who in the war proved to be superior to Sakura. Madara only compared her healing not strength and he wasn't impressed by her ap like he was with guy and naruto. Your clearly don't understand what you read to the point of adding to the feats that proves low comprehension. Like I said before anyone who believes Sakura can beat ems madara or sp madara needs to be tested (for brain damage). Sakura has no speed feats or statements that can prove that just headcanon delusion. Side note Madara easily blocked tsunade bare handed. It's so much fun destroying Sakuratard No eyes Madara wins with zero difficulty
Like you can make plenty of proper arguments on both sides here. The way this derailed to a screaming match between them is hilarious tho i loved it. They just randomly yell over each other and honestly Swag and Six could've explained stuff even simpler. Kabuki on the other hand, yeah that's a lost one/
@@dmob39 that’s because every point he did make was irrelevant😂😂😂😂😂 six and swags argument was so basic and linear and easy to follow. They already debunked why experience is irrelevant because of the power gap, they already explained why shin was irrelevant bc he scaled to Sakura who scales over madara in their linear argument. Neither of them made good points. If they actually made good points, they wouldn’t have constantly been told their points were irrelevant.
Tbh swag and six were changing up some of their previous opinions about characters to match the debate. I've seen all swags content so I know. That's why the speed blitz shit was throwing me off. Swag recently even said he thinks ten ten is kage level
@@dmob39 Whatever their opinions are don’t matter in a debate. You can debate in favor of something and completely disagree with it. Seth does it all the time, it’s just the fact of who can outdebate who. Whether or not they actually believe Sakura can beat madara is irrelevant in a debate. And you’re allowed to change your opinion on something😂😂 I’ve watched all swags content too lol people’s perspective can change overtime. A lot of the videos he made were 3+ years ago.
I love how as soon as the experience is mentioned, swags immediate reaction is utter confusion as to why it’s relevant at all, and six is dumbfounded. Fucking hilarious
@@Giorno_Giovanno_AntiGay nobody conclusively won, like there wasn't a decided winner, but Swag and Six just didn't get refuted at all and had no valid counter arguments presented to their points. So, in my opinion, they won.
Swagkage and Six's point: Sakura can speed blitz in and one shot Madara. After Swag and Six explain their point, Afro and Kabuki: Well thats irrelevant to the argument.
Kabuki is the physical embodiment of the quote “it’s difficult to argue with a genius but it’s impossible to argue with an idiot”
STRAIGHT FAX
My fav Kabuki argument is that Adult boruto sasuke would lose to ms madara if he was protecting sarada.
@@moiseslopez981 No... Lol
@@moiseslopez981 what sasuke can just open a portal and put sarada inside of it... then he's protecting her and can just flat out kill madara. Also madara was killed by a sword, so I see no reason why sasuke couldn't just swap his armor and sasukes swords places to kill him.
@@thecia9498 who are you arguing with? 💀💀
Kabuki: Explain it to me
Swag/Six: A-
Kabuki: EXPLAIN IT TO ME
1:54:50 and someone finally got the point of six and swags argument
Do. Not. Debate. Kabuki. There is no point in trying to reason with someone who cannot understand basic logic.
He makes me wanna turn the video off fr🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
I would actually quit
he legit has no ability then to deny and yell, rather then to form an argument. six was holding his hand and he was biting it.
Ramen noodles is the same way.
@@joshlee7666 no noodles and kabuki are NOT the same. I don’t like noodles much but that debate with swag was not as clear cut as people act and kabuki is just imposingly stupid. I am convinced and truly believe he’s trolling and is just extremely good at it.
"Stupidity pisses me off and you have an abundance of it"
My new favorite line
Fr it was so funny
2:07:36
Bro 6 clowned tf out of Kabuki
@@wmt_monmon a well deserved clowning I'm sure we can all agree, I'm British and even I will defend the british based insults thrown at kabuki
@@demon_hawkeye5269 ngl he did get a little too personal with all the british stuff but none the less it was funny af
Kabuki should be banned from debates. The dude is a fiend.
Hilarious and passionate, but a fiend.
Man’s is special Ed
@@up6501 on god
Bro was heinous💀💀
banned and dissed
Bro is a most wanted international terrorist when it comes to debates
The debate in a nutshell:
Swag: Sakura is stronger than naruto who was stronger than so6p Madara who is stronger than ems madara
Kabuki:how?
Six:that’s irrelevant
Afrosenju: but bro what about experience
Lmao
Except the stuff six was calling irrelevant actually was, when asked to explain their point they did very well
All you really need to win this argument is just The stabilised Kaguya that Sakura punched was stronger than the Kaguya that Sasuke stated was far stronger than 3 eyed Juubidara. That juubidara was stronger than 2 eyed juubidara, who was stronger than God tree absorbed Juubidara that Naruto and Sasuke assfucked. That juubidara is stronger than the juubidara who fought guy, and got cut in half by Naruto. That juubidara is stronger than 1 rinnegan sage mode Madara, who was stronger than blind sage Madara, who was stronger than Edo Madara, who is arguable stronger than Ems Madara, or is at worst a tiny bit weaker. THATS 8 FUCKING DEGREES OF POWER SEPERATION THERE. I really don't see how people can even really debate that Sakura can't kill EMS Madara other than "but Madara tho, he's Madara, he's so cool, he strong!"
@@demon_hawkeye5269 yeah true
It's an objective fact that Madara would stomp Sakura though. Even considering that Sakura is on the same level as sage mode Hashirama who BARELY defeated Madara in the final valley is mind numbingly stupid. Sakura cannot defeat a perfect susanoo and full powered kyubi.
Y is kabuki so dumb it’s like he doesn’t hear the argument he just hears the what he doesn’t like to hear 😭
He is socially inept
He did the same thing when Seth clapped him and Afro about lightspeed. He's a sore loser and doesn't understand the flow of debates. He doesn't like what he hears and he will lash out and overreact.
@@SkullCounty1 factuals
@@Nyfebtw like these debates would be so much better if Kabuki wasn't involved. Not to trash him as a person but in these debate videos he's the most annoying and arrogant person involved. Swag and Sixx kept trying to get past something and Afro was being very understanding then you've got Kabuki "Why tho bro? What are you smoking? Your smoking crack man." Like damn lol hes all in his feels.
@@SkullCounty1 yah fr idk it’s like he does it on purpose almost 😭
AfroSenju says that he gets why Six is getting frustrated that Kabuki is interrupting, but then why bring someone who can't debate? Kabuki is unable to have a conversation. He got angry, yelled at people, was extremely condenscending, interrupts often, asks questions and don't let others answer, asks questions that are irrelevant and then has the audacity of asking "bro why u mad?" Wtf is this dude.
And yes, I get that Six started to insult, which was uncalled for and Swag started to act like a child, but none of this would've happened if this Kabuki person wasn't there. Why invite him in the first place? All the points of the debate could've been discussed in the first hour. Instead we got 3 hours of people talking over each other.
Thank you. It's so goofy seeing people blame Six's insults for why the debate went wrong. Like you said, it was uncalled for, but looking at THAT and not what happened before is just. . . . . . Goofy, man. Like this is supposed to be a debate and Kabuki isn't debating. If you know even a little bit on how a debate should function and how burden of proof works, (I think that's what it's called) you'd know Kabuki and Afro lost
@@anicechannel1564 Yep. It seemed like Kabuki was unable to understand the points that Six and Swag were making. Either that or he was trolling. Because most of the time, they were making their points and Kabuki would just ignore it or repeat what he was saying before. It's maddening.
I obviously don't support people insulting each other, but I think they reached a breaking point, you know. Like, how are you suppose to remain calm when the guy is screaming "I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU THINK X COULD BEAT Y", "BRO R U SMOKING CRACK"?
@@doishooligan It’s not because he wasn’t unable to understand Six’s and Swag’s arguments, but rather the fact that he didn’t want to acknowledge how sound their argument was. He completely denied the Boruto databook that came from Kishimoto himself. Kabuki is just a hard head that doesn’t like to be wrong.
@@gameboisam Could be that as well. I really don't know cause I've never watched the man's content. I only know him by this debate and the one Minato debate against Seth. In both of them he was awful, but this one is just insanity.
Both sides clearly didn't know how to debate but swagkage and six did a better job Laying out their argument. The issue is that it was completely Over exaggerated and made up with no statements from the manga or anime that's why I can understand why kabuki lost it. Sakura stands a 00.00 chance against madara. If fighting fake jinchuriki (weaker than a real one)is her feat? Madara has tamed the second strongest beast (nine tails)
Swag: So Kabuki threw my intense and multy level detailed debate I will now ask you to disprove my current points
Kabuki: No you're wrong
Swag: Kabuki you need to provide an argument to why I'm wrong prove it
Kabuki: No you prove it wrong, You're reaching, Your smoking crack saying shins nut sack hair could one shot juubi 3 Rinnegan Madara.
Swag: Huh?!?
😂😂😂
Kabuki is levels of dumb I didn't know were possible
It’s clear that swag and six take this more seriously and it’s actually disrespectful that Afro allows kabuki to derail the conversation. Kabuki is not debating he’s in the conversation for a chaotic argument. Debates are supposed to be structured.
Kabuki is just stupid and Afro was enabling him for whatever reason, making him just as bad as kabuki
Afro just doesn’t belong at this table. Kabuki doesn’t belong in the same state. But Afro just doesn’t have the knowledge or debate ability that they have. He lacks common sense and the basic ability to understand argumentive points. It’s legit like a 4th grader tryna debate politics with a college student
@@trev9168 The way Afro goes out of his way to try to word things to sound more intelligent than he really is annoys me.
All he does is expose himself, because it just sounds odd. Fans watch the videos and streams to be entertained, not to administer an IQ test.
Afro a fake ass, literally saying swag and six were more disrespectful while his opponents can barely even finish a sentence due to his partner
@@trev9168 completely agree that was kinda the main thing that made me click on this video a debate video like this was lowkey the last place I expected to see afro this is definitely not his area of expertise
"but would 6 really be afraid of 7???" bro i am DYING 😭😭😭
Yes if 6 has a technique that can kill 7 lol
@@ice-zero4389 lmaoo
@@ice-zero4389 but 7 is fast enough to hit 6 before 6 even thinks about activating his technique.
@@insanoibro6331 But 6 has a 7 killing ability and I like 6 more, don’t you understand that 6 wins the fight? It doesn’t matter that 7 is light speed and 6 is lightning speed, 6 is literally too strong to lose
@@drakefisher6317 ok but 7 has more experience doe
Kabuki is barely capable of holding a simple conversation smh
Afro keeps saying six goes for insults, but is silent when kabuki keeps saying six is smoking crack.
in fairness kabuki is talking about six's points (even though six is VERY correct) six was insulting kabuki's accent
@@jbwolf4 I guess but you would too if you were being constantly interrupted and shouted at nonstop
@@mr.effigy3885 nah honestly I’d flip the script and make him explain his logic which they started to do but they didn’t commit to it, because once he’s fumbling and can’t actually bring up points I’ll then say that if he can’t even back up his own points THEN it’s irrelevant. That man would self destruct
@@jbwolf4 didn’t they try that for like a straight hour, but kabuki just wouldn’t give them any arguments? Lmao, swag was begging him for a debate but nothing came of it
@@mr.effigy3885 as I said they didn’t really commit, he just screamed louder and they dropped it. Worst comes to worst I’d have muted him but I wouldn’t resort to roasting his accent the man is already making a fool out of himself you don’t need to stoop to his level cause then it becomes a mess like it was
W's to Swag and Six this is the funniest debate I have ever seen in my life 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂💀
Swag had fire analogies and six just bodied. They both are great together, they are so in sync.
Yo six saying that completely irrelevant is so funny to me I don’t know why 😂😂😂😂
I SWEAR, ITS ALMOST 6AM, IM FUCKING AT THE “SHUT UP” SECTION AND IM DEAD 😂😂😂😂😂
Btw I was able to follow Swags and Six’s points the whole time, maybe if Afro was able to bring scans and statements from the series ABOUT ems madara, they maybe could’ve made an counter argument but this…. Is was easy dubs ngl
Good debate tho
I like swag but he's objectively wrong.
It's an objective fact that Madara would stomp Sakura.
@@TheHeroRobertELee prove it or it's not true, provide some proof
Edit: I after this under another comment debated them, and predictably, their arguments were trash
Afro and Kabuki is literally the representation of the average Naruto fan in a vs battle debate 😂. They don't even understand what proof means, they keep asking for one even though swag and six already give a very clear proof. And worst of all, afro and Kabuki's arguments on why sakura can't one shot Madara wasn't backed of by any proof at all. This doesn't fell like a debate at all tbh 😂.
Edit : kabuki's whole argument is basically "I don't believe that, therefore it's false"
They’re the embodiment of what it means to be a casual fan.
What was the proof that they gave anybody have a link to the statement
Facts
Lol they use flat earth logic
@@joshanderson205 And being a hardcore fan is something you consider impressive? Lmao.
Swag: A Tortoise gets beaten By a Hydrogen bomb because it capable of leveling multiple cities in an instant
Senju: But Tortoise live longer so they have more *E X P E R I E N C E*
That's a straw man and a false equivalency.
@@TheHeroRobertELee prove it
@@demon_hawkeye5269 dude how old are you? 12? Prove that those are logical fallacies? Just Google it kid.
@@TheHeroRobertELee It’s pretty clear the point is that Sakura is so much stronger than Madara that experience isn’t a factor.
@@TheHeroRobertELee just found this comment, are you actually serious? Like, I was asking for proof, you utter neanderthal, how am I acting like a child for asking you to prove something you said, jesus.
2:24:06 swag just finished explaining about how chakra is converted to power by a person with high chakra control
kabuki: but the healing factor
😭😭😭
So hold on who is debating on which side?
@@Saber23 swag debates for sakura
@@chrispham2277wow that was a quick reply
@@chrispham2277I don’t agree with Swag here at all but Jesus these other guys the fuck was that guys name Kabuki? Bruh they’re so damn obnoxious and annoying 🤦♂️
@@Saber23 im a person with no life 24/7 on my phone waiting for a soul to make contact with me
2:21:16 - 2:23:43 is the winning moment of the entire debate. Swag's points are quite concisely given, very much related to the debate topic, and there's almost no interruption to his talking, which leads to the victorious practically-final statement. Afro and Kabuki should've conceded there.
Yeah but Madara stomps Goku because of his experience
@@alyx669 ik i was getting annoyed by how much experience was brought up.
@@alyx669 that joke is made even better by the fact that goku has more experience than this madara anyway XD
@@demon_hawkeye5269 Goku has more experience than Madara as a whole, the difference between VotE Madara and 3 eye Juubi Madara experience wise is like 5 fights, but 3 of those 5 fights were stomps (Allied Shinobi Alliance, 5 Kage, Naruto and the Bijuu) while the other two (Hashirama then SPSM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke) didn't really give him more experience since one was a fight he had already done and he was just waiting for his powers to come back while the other was mostly his clones while he flew up to Infinite Tsukoyomi.
They won the debate way before that🤣🤣🤣🤣
swag sounds like a mom trying to calm down children lmao
My chad said Experience and stopped debating right there and was playing a weak ass moderator.
Let’s play a game, every time Afro goes back to experience take a shot
Almost died
You tryna kill my liver?
If you want to drink for almost 3 hours straight, take a shot each time Kabuki interrupts six or swag 😂😂
and every time kabuki refuses to form a counter argument
Wait, what would it be a shot of?
Kabuki seems to have forgotten that in a debate like this it's important to leave any preconceptions at the door. Especially given the fan conceptions behind these twos standing
The problem with this is that Madara just has so much hype behind him, compared to Sakura who is downplayed insanely hard
Madara slices her up with his susannoo, nothing more to it.
@@CristanioPeweyyy She just taps it with her finger and it one shots
@@derek90909 Okay so she has Isshiki level of strength? Fuck no.
@@CristanioPeweyyy No but she IS relative to naruto and Sasuke
@@derek90909 So then Madara is, since he can slice mountains and control Kurama against his will.
And drop metorites on a village for fun, Naruto and Sasuke casually peform these of powerful feats.
Swag and Six made the mistake of debating two guys who didn't even know the difference between lightning and light. Even though Swag also said he didn't come into this debate being that serious and wanted to have fun, Afro admitted to not taking this debate seriously and that they were going to make this a joke.
Anyone who is serious about debating, or in Swag's case where he isn't a debator but takes them seriously when he does engage in them, should *NEVER* debate Afro or Kabuki. Nothing productive ever gets done. They also needed someone to moderate so people could be muted, what forms of each character were used and call someone out whenever they are talking about something that doesn't pertain to the debate.
Afro isn’t bad bro it’s really kabuki.😂
Bruh Afro the whole time.... experience lmao
My experience beats kid broly no cap
Experience does make a difference in a battle. It won't be the deciding factor but it will give you an edge
@@ice-zero4389 yeah, especially if the two characters are in the same tier in terms of power and speed.
@@charlesharrisontan277 which these 2 characters are not. So it’s irrelevant
@@Affises ah yeah I was just saying, I'm not talking about this matchup in particular.
Man I’ve watched this so many times and every single time it always astounds me how kabuki possibly thought he ever made a single point in this entire debate… like holy shit bro…
This whole video was so infuriating
@@defaultyanny861 anything with kabuki is straight up rage juice💀
I was there live and I can confirm hearing Kabuki talk made me both incredibly frustrated and entertained 🤣
Kabuki is hard headed
Nah more like just stupid
@@eem2wavy133 no he’s just braindead 💀
Everything Swag and Six says
Afro "experience"
Bruh it's like taking to one of these 🗿
To be fair swags analogies against that claim were dumb , experience doesn’t matter in dbz cause raw power is the only thing that matters , experience matters in naruto cause strategy and wit can win fights
@@yellowsupercar366 Experience doesn't matter if Madara were fighting Kiba. He was just making a point
@@yellowsupercar366 I agree. Experience can make a huge difference in a battle. Only reallife fighters will understand this compare to people who just typing their opinions in a computer without any knowledge
@@676Suffering explain how does that make sense what you just said
The "can Sakura beat Jesus" KILLED ME.
As an Easter Sunday listener I’ll say Sakura could beat Jesus straight up but she has no anti-resurrection feats. He’s back and ready for more.
@@andrewkotila9046 Sakura one taps and gets 3 days of prep time. No diff.
@@andrewkotila9046 wait because hiruzen has qn anti ressurection feat does that mean that he could tie with jesus
@@andrewkotila9046
Jesus is Omnipotent.
@@deckzonetcg8907
Jesus destroys Sakura.
Bro having afro during a heated debate is hilarious as fuck, he has a joke for literally everything
Afrosenju has failed twice in vs battles & Shikai didn't make this any better 😧..That argument Afro tried to use with experience is 🗑 past a certain point as swag was mentioning..
I'd agree with Afro on the experience side. While Swag does make a good point in the fact that Sakura faced "more threatening opponents" Madara literally grew up in the warring period. It's said countless times that the Uchiha and Senju are the two strongest clans of that time and no other clans really comes close. Proven by the fact that these two clans are basically mercenaries for hire by other clans/villages (if they had villages at this point I don't remember) but that alone over the years would make Madara battle hardened.
They needed a mod from the start lol also afro saying six was a flight risk was HILARIOUS, btw Swag wasn't necessarily wrong for saying the ten pound bag of feathers or the hammer would likely injure someone BUT no way is it to the same degree. Density and concentration plays a factor like he mentioned earlier also imagine someone is swinging these objects at you. The feathers would need a significant amount of force behind it to replicate the damage a hammer could do.
omg, a person that know simple laws of physics... thank you, you restored a part of my faith in humanity (it might sound like sarcasm, but just because i actually have no faith in it left)
@@sockosophie3132 yeah, I also can't think about something that is more important than physics . . .
He’s not actually trying to debate the physics or damage of 10 pounds of feathers to brick, he’s just pointing out that they can weigh the same when stacked up even though feathers are light af compared to bricks…..
Ok so at literally the very end they talk about it and clearly say if the feathers were somehow super condensed and compress them than it would do the same damage, which is true it’s just hard to condense them that much
Dude I love DaTruthDT too so when he popped in out of nowhere I got so hyped
After the Minato vs Akatsuki/ Seth vs Kabuki and Afro I’ve just immediately expected Kabuki to act like this, it’s insane what flies over his head sometimes.
He's so stupid it's rage inducing
We gotta get Kishimoto to interject this debate
2:51:00 “Idc if I sound stupid to an idiot” new quote to live by for 2023, happy new years btw
How is it, after all this time, that Kabuki does not understand how debates work? Stop debating him.
THERE ARE MOREEE OF THIS? oh i neeed this.
@@neyouno ua-cam.com/video/01mK7T420Bo/v-deo.html not sure if you still wanted it but its here in case you or anyone else does
This really is one of the funniest debate I have ever seen 😂 Six was losing his got dang mind and I don’t blame him, Kabuki was mad annoying
got my eardrums blown out like 6 times, that was nice
This was one of the funniest debates I’ve seen imagine a kabuki vs noodles debate [experience vs raw durability and not necessarily]
🤣🤣🤣😭
Imagine having to count how many times kabukis name has been said
Also, I love Afro but the experience argument is just dumb. To call anything else head cannon while claiming experience will sway the battle when there is no way to quantify the effect that would have, and still doesn’t cover the insane power gap.
It really is the broly movie shows this goku and vegeta have more experience but broly is still stronger than them
@@kaienglish271 So you think Madara with his decades of experience would be able to beat Golden Freeza?
@@numberhunter62 did I say that ?
@@kaienglish271 You are claiming that experience can close a power gap, I just want to know how much experience matters in a fight to you. How far can experience help you against a stronger foe, and when does that experience just stop mattering?
@@numberhunter62 r u stupid I’m agreeing with @Drethom08 saying that experience doesn’t mean shit I used the broly movie as an example fool
I like these debtes but they could use some stricter moderation >.> the first hour of this had so much interrupting it was painful to hear
More like the first 2 hours
more like the whole thing was kabuki being mad
It's so simple to moderate. Just mute everyone and have them push to talk.
If someone interrupts, they get a penalty. 3 interruptions you're out of the debate.
I wish Swag would've kept this up on his channel, or at least edit and upload it.
It's unlisted
@@marcus7984 how do i find it tho
@@deathdealing8859 The link is on his twitter, but you'll have to scroll down a bit to reach it I'd guess
ty for upload!
Six is usually the chillest dude on any video so seeing this side of him is so amazing 😂
i think kabuki has found his new callin in the debating. best debate content out here
Started out so peaceful then became pure chaos 😓
yes 😭
I’ve never commented on a single video 3 times but Afro is the king of “I completely understand but I don’t understand”
proud to say i witnessed this climactic 2v2 live
kabuki is so inept it makes me physically upset
i farted from anger :=
afro every 10 minutes
"so going back on the experience"
I lost it everytime he said experience
Mizuki, an adult chunin, got assblasted by chapter 1 Naruto. Experience can augment Madara's chances to win but are not a defeater to any of Swag/Six's arguments.
Isn't Mizuki the same rank as Iruka?
@@doishooligan You right
@@juliuscorrea2863 Your point is still right though. Other examples are Danzo x Sasuke, Jiraiya x Pain, Kabuto x Naruto, Hiruzen x Orochimaru, etc.
I would really like to understand what went through Afro's head to use experience as the only argument in the debate and not do enough research to realize it's contradictions.
@@doishooligan This thing desperately needed a mod. Swag and Six have learned a lot but it takes more experience in debating to be able to keep the flow going, like just telling Afro "Hey I understand but we don't agree on the exp thing and Madara has plenty of other shit going for him so let's move on"
@@doishooligan Especially with the stubbornness shown by Afro and Kabuki here 😅
its interesting that Afro says its strange to use the "weakest" version of Madara against the strongest version of Sakura, but in reality if anything its the closest they would be in age which makes it all the more fair. Whereas Shippuden Sakura would be like using stone skipping Madara who is featless
Stone skipping Madara 😭😭😭😭😭😭
I don't get why people don't understand that ALL of Team Seven achieved levels beyond both Valley of the End Hashirama and Madara, not just Naruto and Sasuke.
In terms of Adult Sakura's strength, she's literally the single most powerful striker in the entirety of the series post-war, and is confirmed to have become more powerful since there through the novels. She COULD conceivably one-shot practically anyone who doesn't have Susano'o level defenses, as Tsunade is shown to have obliterated Edo Madara's body upon striking him and was breaking through his Susano'o, and Adult Sakura is confirmed to be multiple levels above that strength level. Plus, Sakura matching the strength of the Limbo Clones during the war and managing to damage Kaguya. Their whole argument against Sakura one-shotting people being 'she hasn't done it' is absurd based on these. It's been directly stated by characters throughout the series that Tsunade and Sakura hitting someone with their full strength will decide that fight, and this was before Sakura even achieved this level. Sakura would one shot Madara if she could land a powerful enough strike. So could she?
Is Valley Madara a better combatant in terms of experience? Yes. But these guys saying Adult Sakura wouldn't beat him more times than not is just embarrassingly ignorant since the opponents Sakura was fighting during the war alone scale above anyone Valley Madara faced and his loss to Hashirama show's he flatlines below there.
In base as an Adult over a decade later, she was swapping hands with Shin, who was actively using a Mangekyo Sharingan against her and she was smacking his ass around. No, Shin's Dojutsu is probably not on the level of Valley Madaras, but it tracks that the weakest version of Adult Sakura is capable of at least swapping hands with a Mangekyo Sharingan wielding opponent for a short time. Stack on top of that her going all out, releasing her seal and activating Creation Rebirth: Strength of a Hundred (that Edo Madara compares Tsunades version to Hashirama's own healing jutsu and Madara only barely managed to contend with that and Adult Sakura's is stronger) which amps her strength and speed significantly and renders her basically immortal while she has Chakra Reserves left, she has access to seals which just require her to touch someone to paralyze them and lets not forget that her Medical Ninjutsu during the novels, before she's even an adult, is so advanced that she literally punches someone and breaks them down at a cellular level, then heals them at the same time to overwhelm their own healing factor instantly. Sakura COULD hit Valley Madara if they swapped hands.
Literally the only things Valley Madara conceivably have that would even concern Adult Sakura are his Perfect Susano'o or if he had control of the Kurama, plus Susano'o coated Kurama. And even then, Adult Sakura does have answers to the amount of power these things can output (Creation Rebirth is absurd in what Tsunade was tanking and Adult Sakura is far beyond that) and I believe she could take out Kurama as her physical damage output does scale above anything Valley Hashirama and his Wood constructions were using against him at the time. Sakura is also shown to have access to sealing Jutsu during the main series, so it tracks Adult Sakura could actually just have a sealing Jutsu to remove Kurama from the fight entirely. Perfect Susano'o on offense could be a problem for Adult Sakura to straight up tank, but I don't actually think it's defensive capabilities during the Valley can outmatch what Sakura can output in terms of physical damage. This is because she scales so far above Tsunade, and Tsunade at full power was capable of straight up breaking Madara's base Susano'o and, again, because Adult Sakura scales above the physical damage output Valley Harshima was capable of.
I do wanna say that Sakura during the war tanked a truth seeking orb from sosp madara stabbing her and still managed to get off a punch on madara (even though it was blocked by limbo) So her tanking a perfect susanoo blade would be childs play from a weaker version and adult sakura would proabaly not even be effected by it at all.
@@kingrhodes9572 OOo yes, you're right. I forgot about that one.
@@kingrhodes9572 That's pretty cap. An orb is not gonna destroy a mountain due to it being a small concentrated attack over an attack that covers a significant area. The orb is way stronger but she's not tanking a perfect susanoo blade unscathed. Idk about Sakura winning since if Sasuke didn't show up to save her, shin Uchiha would've killed her and I know damn well Shin Uchiha is not putting any work on Madara with his magneto MS.
@@joshlee7666 I forgot about this comment. BUT. My argument still stands. Sakura in boruto used her base power against shin. No hundred healing and no Katsyua summoning. Rewatch that fight. Sakura really isn't that serious during it. Also it doesn't matter if you wanna say that tso is a concentrated attack. It's way stronger then madars sword even if it has a larger range. Sakuras durability and healing factor would pretty much heal as the sword sliced through her. And if tsunade can break the susanoo Armour. Sakura can too since tsunade states Sakura is stronger then her at the time. I won't fully commit to saying that Sakura as a teen is stronger then madara alive. But the thing is Boruto changes so many things. Shin is not stronger then madara but he is strong. At least past end of war arc/before all the power ups happen. Adult Sakura could smack madara if she goes full out and she wouldnt have a scratch on her because she would heal so ridiculously fast.
I do respect that you took the time to comment. Thank you and I respect your opinion.
@@kingrhodes9572 You act like the dude didn't fight Hashirama who could literally heal himself without releasing a pool of Chakra or making hand signs, so the regeneration isn't an issue. You act like Tsunade solo, broke the untouched Susanoo in one punch. A tailed beast isn't an a problem form him, so a giant slug summoning isn't really a factor. She would have to able to land a hit on him and it's very doubtful, especially if it's just a 1v1. Sakura is a close range fighter who's not gonna speed blitz someone with an EMS or Rinnegan.
"Link Kaguya to EMS Madara" *FURIOUS TYPING*
Fucking cracked up at that point ahaha
Kakazu solos both because of his raw durability
But the healing factor tho
@@ICantSnipe88 he cant get bast the bijuu chakra
@@harrisonpike4973 Bro but the healing factor tho
Wish Afro had someone else on his team
Ppl letting nostalgia keep them from accepting the fact Madara gets Powercliffed
This is true.
This is facts
Madara got surpassed long ago
How tho. I'm confused. Sakura got clapped by shin uchiha and hes weak what. I bet pain could kill him. How we've seen her fight in boruto, going all out and it was nothing like what madara did. In the novels she kept up with like a 6 tailed pseudo tailed beast. Madara with no eyes beat all of the tailed beast. How, this is like the borushiki being stronger than naruto and sasuke. Momoshiki is weaker than naruto at full power so how is boruski (basically momoshiki in borutos body) beating that. That momoshiki isn't even in his fused state anymore which makes him even weaker. Sakura is not that strong. I read that novel of hers I know what she can do and that fight against shin eish he had a shitty doujutsu ability and he won her. I'm done with this Fandom yall reaching far as fuck
@@simpae2731 No, you just cannot power scale at all. 'Sakura got clapped by Shin' in the manga she literally fucking one shot him dude. 'I bet pain could kill him', there's literally no way you can prove this at all. Adult Sakura would destroy any version of Madara, let alone EMS. She scales to Adult Gaara in speed, who then scales to Momoshiki in speed. She was also able to harm Kaguya, regardless of if she was off guard or not. Stop being so closed minded and accept the fact that your favourite anime villain got passed up a long time ago....This isn't 2016 anymore dude lol.
@@Shadzyyy still shes struggled against a pseudo 9 tails beast thingy. Didn't madara body all 9 tailed beast with no eyes. Easily also. She struggled and dont you dare lie to me I read that novel.
I can hear Seth's influence through six. Seth really taught six his ways of debating.
Six isnt Seth's student
@@ergo_1 not in the literal sense of the word student no, but seth has said in a few videos that he has taken six under his wing as far a debate
Six as also admitted to learning a few things from Seth
Six is still shit at debating tho
@@ergo_1 Seth taught him some stuff
This reminds me how much I hate how Kishimoto wrote Sakura. She had SO much potential, but the writer decided to sideline her into being a healer when she SHOULD be fighting!
She almost died to the sound ninja early on she was useless until tsunade training
The problem isn't that she's a healer, the problem is that she doesn't have a big fight besides Sasori. And that's at the beginning of Shippuden.
Yo Kabuki made this a thousand times more interesting. I love it
My most rewatched debate
I love AfroSenju tries to defend Kabuki like he's the victim.
Ka uki getting bullied because of his accent is unacceptable
Kabuki being the most annoying child in the world makes him worse@@NoU-pf8fc
@@FLYYADIGG24 sure, but what six did was still wrong
Considering how rude kabuki was and how he disregarded everything that was presented to him and not even allowing six and swag to explain their arguments and supporting evidence and with how long Afro used his madaras experince argument as if that was the only factor omg this whole debate turned into my feelings tho . You know what swags’s noodles debate was less painful to listen too
Watching the noodles debate and then this one makes me feel so sorry for swag lmao. He gets people who just hate to listen and don’t know the first thing about debates. And I thought noodles was a bad opp but holy hell kabuki is like a whole other level
Imagine starting a counter argument and you use head canon instead of feats and statements
Shout out to Afro for consistently being the calmest out of everyone and acting as the mediator for both sides despite being on one side of the argument.
Yeah, Afro makes a dope debate Mod
Afro was terrible lol, he was literally trying to ignore logical points by repeating "That's not relevant" in a condescending way. He also kept cutting off swag and six AND whenever Kabuki insulted someone he ignored it, but when six insulted him back he complained. Afro is not good at this lol
@@WaveHashira No he doesn't he can't understand the logic of a sound argument and repeats things like "what about experience?" Then they ask him to explain how experience matters and he says "It does!". You can't be a good mod without being able to understand who's coming with a logical argument, they literally showed him databook statements and he refused to accept it as proof! You seriously can't think he's good when he doesn't understand any logical points and backs terrible illogical points.
He's bias and ignorant, how's that a good mod?
@p4p #1 casual mma fan/mcgregor army general my response is why respond to a comment that is a month old?
@@WaveHashira lol you didn't even answer the question and that was irrelevant and disingenuous. Smfh
Bruh Naruto was NOT in base when he hit madara with the Lava Rasenshuriken. He was in six paths sage mode without KCM
He still still did that feat before powering up. That is what he was saying
Six paths amp is ginormous though so I wouldn’t really credit it as if Madara wasn’t durable or something Naruto was just that strong
@Richocket very true six paths sage mode was stronger by itself than KCM 2 stacked with Sage mode so Naruto was like leagues stronger than he was before
He was in Base SPSM
Naruto punched Kaguya by catching her off guard with the reverse harem no jutsu and didn’t do as much damage as Sakura when she blitzed Kaguya
Damn you not wrong
_Sakura didn’t “blitz” Kaguya. She hit her off guard. And that same Sakura that hit Kaguya is weaker than the Sakura that got stabbed by Madara._
@@theone8276 how do you catch someone off guard, when they have insane sensory abilities?? They even talk about his in the debate
@@pabliko81 _Her attention wasn’t focused on Sakura. You ask how she could catch Kaguya off guard yet you acknowledged the fact that Naruto, the guy standing right in front of Kaguya was able to catch her off guard. In the manga, Kaguya never bothered paying any attention to Sakura. Kakashi specifically says “We’re not worth her attention.” She completely ignored Kakashi & Sakura. The whole plan was to divide her attention. She was too busy trying to get away from Naruto & Sasuke that she didn’t notice Sakura (someone who she never paid attention to from the start to begin with)._
Both Naruto and Kakashi were able to CUT OFF kaguya’s arm please do not bring up that weak argument
I'm convinced afto bring kabuki to debates just so he can derail the conversation, and distract people from the fact that he doesn't know how to debate.
It’s weird watching Seth’s beerus rant about how people argue that and then hear kabuki say the exact same braindead shit Seth was talking about
Their mistake was thinking there were lower forms of Madara. That’s where Afro went wrong. Kabuki literally doesn’t even know what’s happening. And Adult Sakura 100% speed blitzes VOE Madara before he can react. Her AP literally out scales that Madaras durability. These guys have no debating skill at all. Tsunade literally punched Edo Madara to pieces, actually blew him in half. The debate was over the moment they said “Kaguya couldn’t kill VoE Madara with a single attack”. Sakura in base was relative to Shin and actually wasn’t even being overpowered. Their only argument was literally “experience” which literally is irrelevant especially in cases like Kaguya vs Naruto/Sasuke all their experience did not matter because of her RAW POWER.
Well Kaguya is a bazillion years old. Pretty sure she's got more experience than any human.
Madara still slaps tsunade easy
@@Fuegoaries sakura >> tsunade
@@dowoomsday When using ha seal arguably
Boruto sakura tho is no diffing her.
@@Fuegoaries yeah ik i’m saying sakura is above tsunade
If Kabuki wasn't here this could of beeen an awesome thought provoking and civil debate. Swag Six and Afro have well thought out maticulous arguments, and then all of a sudden "WHY DIDN'T SHE ONE SHOT SHIN????"
This could've ended afros experience over power debate: if experience matters so much then why did Kakashi explain to naruto in the FIRST ARC that there are many children stronger than him. Clearly he had more experience than someone like haku or itachi yet they would most likely crush him. Honestly Afro shouldn't even be debating these two
Madara has more experience and power.
@@CristanioPeweyyy I’m convinced you didn’t read past the first sentence lol not even gonna argue with you😂
@@THESHINIGAMIPOSSE Madara slices her up with the PS and goes home, he is just too powerful for her, she is Tsunde 2.0.
@@CristanioPeweyyy Bro doesnt know how to read💀
good debate but for the love of god, swag's mic needs to be turned down, i'm tired of going deaf everytime he yells
COULD SAKURA BEAT JESUS?!?!?!?!
So the points comes down to “If Sakura is able to connect a punch with Madara, she will kill him”, along with “Sakura can blitz Madara”. The counter points that are being made is that “Madara would not allow Sakura to get near him after seeing what Sakura can do, unlike Kaguya”. Guessing the counter would be that Madara would too slippery for Sakura to catch, however the counter to that would be is that it wouldn’t in his character. That’s what I got from this lol
What’s stupid about this is kakahsi has more experience then Naruto. And Naruto would one shot him. So what’s the difference with this? If Sakura is matching the version of madara with the 10 tails and rinnegan then her stronger soul have an easier time with a way weaker madara.
I wonder if Afro ever comes back to this debate and realizes how goofy he looked lmao
And watching him flip flop attitudes after Kabuki antagonized Six deliberately was really frustrating too
Afro was really dying on the shortest hill with that Experience point he keeps bringing up.
It's all he had
2:38:02 is where the fun begins
I’ve never been so irked in my life then listening to this. It’s like a car crash, you absolutely abhor it but you can’t look away.
I just remembered Kabuki was in the King Of Lightning vs Seth debate he came in scream his ass off then got muted.
Holy shit that's amazing 😂
This is exactly how I enjoy my Christmas🎄 😂 imma a year late tho
Everything kabuki says started at “why don’t we just use there primes” like this dude possibly couldn’t have made a single Naruto based video the way he debates or just talks about Naruto in general
Watching this back again tbh even Afro doesn’t know how to debate bruh cuz neither him or kabuki understood basic analogy’s and saw everything as irrelevant cause it wasn’t a Sakura or Madara feat
2:47:45 I have never seen swag go that mad before
this is the greatest ball of half trues ,headcanon garbage I have ever seen 👏🏿 👏🏿 you won the award for most delusional Sakuratard lmao
Sakura byakugou doesn't increase her strength because the technique sol purpose is to use the regenerative ability cause her lack of chakra.
Sakura did zero damage to madara limbo clone and was unable to speed blitz him and needed to be saved by naruto and sasuke.
Sasuke implies that Sakura was useless in the fight with madara and Kaguya also proves that to be a fact(its weird how Kaguya didn't want Sakura high chakra reserves but wanted naruto chakra hmmm)
It's a fact that clones are not faster than the original but your logic is saying that they are because the clone moved them out the way.
Maybe we missed the part where naruto overpowered Kaguya or where naruto ripped off Kaguya arm by actually speed blitzing her.
Sakura was a non-factor until kakashi plan made her useful( she was invisible to Kaguya).
Sakura never stated to fast, stronger than anyone. Never stated to be a hokage level or higher than tsunade who in the war proved to be superior to Sakura. Madara only compared her healing not strength and he wasn't impressed by her ap like he was with guy and naruto.
Your clearly don't understand what you read to the point of adding to the feats that proves low comprehension.
Like I said before anyone who believes Sakura can beat ems madara or sp madara needs to be tested (for brain damage).
Sakura has no speed feats or statements that can prove that just headcanon delusion.
Side note Madara easily blocked tsunade bare handed.
It's so much fun destroying Sakuratard
No eyes Madara wins with zero difficulty
He sounded like a teenage girl that got her phone taken away
Like you can make plenty of proper arguments on both sides here. The way this derailed to a screaming match between them is hilarious tho i loved it. They just randomly yell over each other and honestly Swag and Six could've explained stuff even simpler. Kabuki on the other hand, yeah that's a lost one/
There's no argument on Madara's side...
Kabuki and Afro are giving themselves the reputation of being the worst debaters on the internet. At this point I’ll take cbr over them 🤣🤣
Nah thats cap. Senju made fair points. Kabuki was yelling and I would've been mad too if six kept telling me every point I try to make is irrelevant.
@@dmob39 that’s because every point he did make was irrelevant😂😂😂😂😂 six and swags argument was so basic and linear and easy to follow. They already debunked why experience is irrelevant because of the power gap, they already explained why shin was irrelevant bc he scaled to Sakura who scales over madara in their linear argument. Neither of them made good points. If they actually made good points, they wouldn’t have constantly been told their points were irrelevant.
@@dmob39 His points were irrelevant though. I don’t get how people don’t realize that experience can’t prevent them from getting speed blitzed
Tbh swag and six were changing up some of their previous opinions about characters to match the debate. I've seen all swags content so I know. That's why the speed blitz shit was throwing me off. Swag recently even said he thinks ten ten is kage level
@@dmob39 Whatever their opinions are don’t matter in a debate. You can debate in favor of something and completely disagree with it. Seth does it all the time, it’s just the fact of who can outdebate who. Whether or not they actually believe Sakura can beat madara is irrelevant in a debate. And you’re allowed to change your opinion on something😂😂 I’ve watched all swags content too lol people’s perspective can change overtime. A lot of the videos he made were 3+ years ago.
Swag: You brought shin up in the first place, so it’s up to you to prove why it matters
Kubuki: NO
Swag and Six: Sasukes susanoo is stronger than Madaras
Kabuki: PROVE IT!!!
I love how as soon as the experience is mentioned, swags immediate reaction is utter confusion as to why it’s relevant at all, and six is dumbfounded. Fucking hilarious
This debate had me weak😭😭
1:44:55 best line
Lmaoooooo
debate starts around 8:02
Thanks I noticed the intro repeated
Who won
@@Giorno_Giovanno_AntiGay nobody conclusively won, like there wasn't a decided winner, but Swag and Six just didn't get refuted at all and had no valid counter arguments presented to their points. So, in my opinion, they won.
The super chat was so annoying lol
CAN SAKURA BEAT JESUSSSS???? CAN SHE BEAT JESUS?? CAN SAKURAAAA??? BEAT JESUSSS??? ANSWER IT!!! 😂😂😂
does he actually say that?
@@ipm9630 yes, yes he does : 1:44:50
It's the best thing I ever heard in my life, ong
1:28:19 i don't think afro understands the point of tackling arguments
Swagkage and Six's point: Sakura can speed blitz in and one shot Madara. After Swag and Six explain their point, Afro and Kabuki: Well thats irrelevant to the argument.
Was swagkage just not paying attention to how disruptive those superchats were to that stream?
He was trying to turn them off lol
Kabukisage: WhErE ThE OnE Tap, WhEn DiD tHaT hapPen, whY You MaD,
If experience mattered, Kakuzu would be stronger than base Naruto and the entire Aktsuki because he survived a battle vs Hashirama
Man prob threw a kunai and dib
@@Encai. ill take it further... he most likely tripped over a small branch from hashitamas wood release amd said "aight I can say i fought hashirama"
@@moisesmartinezmorales5885 nah he actually fought him he just got beat up
If experience mattered then itachi would have had his body snatched by a pedo snake man.
@@moisesmartinezmorales5885naw it’s definitely implied he just got beat up and then hashirama spared him
Lmao DaTruthDT showing up is god tier.
This went from swag vs Afro to swag and six vs kabuki 😂😂😂😂
Just texting the homie in the begining 😂