What Should Happen To Carl Lentz?
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
- ‘What Should Happen To Pastor Carl Lentz?’
Today’s video, we carefully discuss the recent developments around Hillsong pastor Carl Lentz. What should happen next? What does the Bible say about a pastor who has had a marital affair? Should they lose their pastoral position forever? Should they go get a job at Lowe’s? (We love Lowe’s btw❤️) What should our response look like and what should the repercussions be? We give our perspective and would love to hear your thoughts in the comments below! And happy Thanksgiving!!🦃
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Hey guys! What are your thoughts on this tough situation? Do you think in the future and under the right circumstances Carl could return to teaching or is that out of the question? Happy Thanksgiving!
I have an extremely hard time believing yall actually care about his infidelity lol. While saying a personal knock against him was his lack of support for Trump haha.
Trump's a known repeat offender of marital infidelity, caught bragging about sexually assaulting & taking advantage of women, & yall don't talk about him needing to be punished from his position of influence. Pastors can't sin?
He'll take a PR break & slide back in when the heat is off cuz no matter how u slice it he will inspire plenty Christians by his "redemption story". We already know what comes next lol.
I think of King David after his affair with Bathsheba. God forgave him but his life was never the same again. Still in all of his battles and endeavors he still clinged to God for His unending Mercy and Sovereignty. It is with great Hopes and a
prayful consideration from the church leaders, that they judge rightly in this matter. Prayers for the wife and kids
"For the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable/without repentance" - Rom. 11:29
Well my family used to know this family (they are lovely btw). And i feel. Laura is a wonderful woman, and it would be so so hard to have the whole world watching. What hillsong did to fire Carl, was smart, damage control and reputation of the church. Firing his wife, I’m not too sure why they did that. Seems unfair, but Brian probably had his reasons and there might be more stuff hidden from the media that isn’t known of. But we can never know and all we can do is just refrain from major criticisms and remember that in God’s eyes we are no better yk?
Mainly i feel for the family and really pray God sill guide them however.
And another note: hillsong put ridiculous sometimes unreasonable hours onto staff (talking from personal experiences) and its unfair. Obviously that will NEVER excuse infidelity, but i think hillsong needs to make a change to ensure wellbeing and accountability of their staff. (Just a side note tho)
Pastors should never be celebrities. To be fair, I’ve never listened to any of his sermons nor have I even heard of him before all of this, but the term “celebrity pastor” raises so many red flags.
Pastors should also should be seen the majority of the time with their shirt on lol. I know that may sound old fashion but I think the point is he seemed to like the attention. Well look what happened.
I hear what you’re saying🙏
Amen!
Being a celebrity is not a sin. Its what you do with it. You should never worship ministers though because they are not perfect they are human.
@@laurawilliams4087 I believe that God can most definitely use someone's fame for His glory, but pastors specifically are called to a humble life. The life of a pastor should not be glamorous or self-glorifying.
Don't forget that pastors or anyone who teaches the gospel are held to a higher standard before God - "Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness." James 3:1
I love how the first thing you guys said was to pray for him and his family
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From my understanding, there were other issues besides the affair. And they’ve launched an investigation into the day to day running of the church. I think the affair is shedding light on other issues taking place behind the scenes of the church
Being brought up in Fundamental Baptist churches, where adultery and child abuse was covered up, I believe pastors should resign for the sake of the Lords church and their families. Restoration is always the goal, and I do believe he could pastor eventually, but after a time of healing, counseling, taking a smaller role in a church, and proving himself worthy of his call from God.
That’s unfortunate to hear🙏
Thats what I thought toooo
Hillsong is an abomination.. So wrong on so many levels.. All of hillsong pastors are false converts.. And 99.9% of their followers are false converts..
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom, you can hide from men but can never hide from God
Amen, that’s true 🙏
Preach it. Yes, he needs to fear/respect/turn to GOD!
I believe He needs intense therapy , healing, retreat with the family. He also needs deep repentance ,in humility and Surrender his life again.I pray that may he be surrounded by accountabilities that is full of love and concern. Who will correct him and Lead Him towards God and His direction.
I believe after all the repentance , healing God will show and Guide him for his next steps
For now, he and his family need healing.
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I do not understand women who don't care whether or not a man is married, especially when children are involved.
It’s Satan
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But Good thing Jesus took up the cross for us. He’s King and can turn evil things good. I used to be an evil person then Jesus changed my heart. All things are possible with Jesus. If you repent and mean it in your heart Jesus will forgive you and won’t condemn you. He came to set us free and give us everlasting life. Surely the one who seeks HIM HE will not cast out✝️♥️🤟🏽
Your supposed to understand that what the world does is what the world is and THAT IS what they do. Not to hard to understand, you on the other hand are extremely blessed as you know the right way is not the broad highway of destruction.
@@ashneu I didn't mean to imply that he is not responsible for his actions. He shouldn't cheat on his wife.
Yeah he definitely shouldn't be a pastor any time soon.
Yeah🙏
I’m just realizing this channel is like a drama/“tea” channel for Christians 😂 I encourage you guys to pray about if you’re really talking about the right things. You have a huge platform on UA-cam. You could be talking about who Jesus really is & how important it is to walk in the spirit!
Even though you both talk wholesome about each topic, God can really use you two to speak to His people!
We want to take the gospel into political and social arenas :)
Joseph S I fear for a generation that matures while looking up to Paul and Morgan... 🤦🏻
He spoke of his marriage being the most important relationship but it should have been the second most important shouldn't it?
Yes
Yes
Second to Christ
Exactly what I thought. The fact that he didn't mention God at all in the beginning when he met Ranid just shows where his heart was.....waxed cold.
I agree 100% with you guys 🙌may God restore his life and family.
Amen🙏🙏
@@PaulandMorgan It's odd, but God has put it on my heart that Carl shouldn't be just thrown away. Maybe he could be redeemed by being involved in prison ministry for a couple years and get rid of the "cool cat" image. The prison ministry allowed Chuck Colson to recover from his disgraced state.
Yes. Mainly for the sake of his children that are going to grow up conflicted about Christianity.
I do not think they were too judgmental of Carl Lentz at all. He got what he deserved for being unfaithful and a failure husband.
The affair was most likely the last straw amoung other problems... it will take a long time before he should ever pastor again. A lot of therapy.
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Perhaps that’s true. God be with them🙏
I am a Bishop (overseer) of Churches, Ministries, Pastors and other Ministers.
That being said, I would like to offer my point of and indeed my practice when situations like this have occurred within my realm of authority throughout my 41 years of Ministry.
I must first prayerfully determine if the Leader in question is and was called to be a Minister (I say that because the leader in question may have been raised to the position before my assertion into the position God has blessed me to be in).
Whether or not the person in question meets the biblically mandated requirements of that office now turns on two related matters. To give the discussion concrete form, let us suppose we are dealing with a former pastor who has been disciplined for adultery, but who has repented, put himself under the care of the elders (pastors) of the church, and has been restored to church membership (assuming he was removed).
Now the question arises as to whether or not he can be restored to pastoral office. The two related matters to be explored are these:
(a) Is he in danger of committing the sin again? This requires pastoral judgment as to the measure of the repentance, the degree of his spiritual restoration, the nature of the resolve, and the accountability he will display in the future. Let us be quite frank: the number of people (including pastors) who offend in this area and then offend again is extremely high.
Quite apart from the moral obligation of the elders to protect the flock from a predatory pastor (and in this litigious society, that obligation has many dimensions), there is an obligation to come to consensus on whether or not the offender has been restored to the kind of moral resolve that makes recidivism unlikely. In biblical terms, the leaders must determine if the former pastor is now truly “self-controlled” (1 Tim. 3:2), and someone who knows well how to manage his own family (1 Tim. 3:4). For these are among the domains where his adultery has proved him unqualified to be an overseer, a pastor.
(b) To what extent has his moral failure destroyed his credibility, both among the faithful and also with outsiders?
The Measuring His Credibility
The second of these two questions calls for further reflection. When the fallen pastor’s supporters accuse the elders or the church of being unloving and unforgiving if they do not restore him to leadership, and loudly remind everyone that adultery is not the unforgivable sin, it is profoundly important to point out that such arguments are nothing more than red herrings. The real issue is public credibility. Paul insists that “the overseer must be above reproach” (1 Tim. 3:2) and “must also have a good reputation with the outsiders” (1 Tim. 3:7).
The “above reproach” category does not demand sinless perfection. Rather, what is demanded is that the candidate have no moral flaw for which many people “reproach” him. Moreover, the fact that this pastor must have “a good reputation with outsiders” is surely worth thinking about. Sometimes a church is so sentimentally attached to its pastor that even when he falls into grievous sin, many in the church, perhaps even the majority, will be happy to let him remain in pastoral office, provided he shows adequate signs of repentance.
But what about the outsiders? Do they look at his adultery, nod knowingly, and smirk? Is Christ’s name debased, not only because the pastor has committed adultery but also because the church has indicated it does not mind being led by a man who cannot keep his zipper up? Has this pastor so lost his credibility that when he preaches on anything to do with morality and integrity, a surfeit of polite sighs will escape from either the believers or the unbelievers or from both?
We must ask Tough Questions
In this light, then, the elders must ask tough questions not only about how this fallen pastor is doing in himself, but also about how his credibility has been affected, both with the church and also outside. If they are satisfied with the pastor’s improvement in the former domain, they must nevertheless ask the hard questions in the latter domain. At this juncture the prospect of the fallen pastor being restored to active pastoral leadership is nothing more than the question of how (or if) he can regain public credibility.
At this juncture I break with some hardliners, who insist that restoration to public office must be ruled out, precisely because this sort of public credibility is forever forfeit. I am not so sure. I am quite certain that the kind of three-month, self-imposed withdrawal of Jimmy Swaggart, followed by his self-declared fitness for return to pastoral office, is a sad joke. In theory, however, I cannot see why a man could not regain credibility by starting over again, beginning at the bottom, proving faithful in small things.
Perhaps he begins by cleaning the building, by parking cars for the elderly in the church lot, by attending the prayer meetings. Perhaps after some years his participation in a house group is of such humility and of such quality that he is occasionally asked to address the group. Perhaps with time he becomes a faithful deacon, and after some years the integrity of his home life coupled with the depth of his biblical knowledge convince more and more people that he can be trusted with more. Perhaps he begins to preach once in a while. And so, over a long period of time, he may regain a great deal of public confidence, and be restored to some measure of spiritual leadership.
But this sort of path to restoration to pastoral office implicitly means two things. First, it is doubtful if this man will ever regain the authority he had before his fall. Too many people will know what has happened, and they will never be able entirely to forget it. Even if they agree that the man has regained substantial credibility, when he deals with certain themes they will inevitably remember his own egregious failure. And second, this model of restoration presupposes that the more prominent the pastor before the fall, the more unlikely is his full restoration to public trust after the fall. His very prominence means that more people will be devastated by this tumble, and more outsiders will make snide comments, ensuring that his restoration will take longer, be more difficult, and perhaps prove impossible.
Appreciate your comment and insight
wow loved how you compared Carl Lentz's situation with king David in the bible.
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No comparison to King David really???
I agree with you. On the subject of Lowe's it's not a bad job really, though my passion is music. (I love serving on my worship team each week, and enjoy writing music!) At Lowe's I work Inside Lawn and Garden. When I first saw "job at Lowe's?" I thought one of you were thinking about getting a job there...I was like hum.. (My management is very encouraging!) I would recommend, ...and the benefits through this pandemic have been great. Thank you both for taking the time to make these videos! God bless you both!
Never give up in life what goes around comes around, I almost lost myself when my wife breakup with me without any reason I was fustrated and I wanted my wife back at all cost but he refuses to come back, but thanks to a friend who directed metoa genuine and powerful man @dr_ojoma_spell_caster who help me bring back my Wife with the great Power of his love spell, and ever since my wife come back we have been living a peaceful and happy life, once again I want you to help me thank @dr_ojoma_spell_caster for what he has done for me and my household.An you can still get your husband back with the love spell caster an you can still caster love spell act anyone you love in this world So I subject anyone having the same Relationship issue should contact the the great spell caster on Whatsapp + 2349038266531💋💋💋
Thanks for the comment :) We love Lowe’s!
These are some of my favorite types of videos you both do because it comes across more understanding, and nonjudgmental, and truly from a place of love/caring. I may not agree with everything said, but I see your point of view.
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I also thought about him leaving the country with his family to do some missionary work. I just keep thinking about his wife and kids and how much these things have affected their lives. We need to pray for all of them 💖
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Why would anyone want to send this conceited mess overseas to manipulate other vulnerable people? Would people be having such a gracious reaction if Mrs. Lentz cheated instead
I don't judge him. at the end of the day we are all sinners who fall short of the glory of God; his just happens to be public.
I think what makes me upset in all of this is just the fact that he was reaching out to people like Logan Paul, who were already skeptical of Christians; and then for this to happen publicly, could seriously draw people FURTHER from God.
True...💯
I see what you’re saying :/
1 Cor. 5:12-13 “For what have I to do to judge them ALSO that are without? Do not ye judge them that are within? But then that are without God judgeth. THEREFORE put away from among yourselves that wicked person.” We are suppose to judge people that are within the church so that stuff like this doesn’t happen (righteously of course, and pray for them)... Paul is not skeptical simply because something like this has happened but because he is not interested in knowing God. If he really wants to know about God he should read the Bible (lots of what Lentz was teaching is not biblically sound anyway and is more likely to fall into the category of teaching another gospel/another Jesus, which cannot save (Gal. 1:6-8), only the Jesus of the Bible can save. His issue is not that he is “skeptical” but that he simply does not want to believe or even seek God on the matter. Something like this should not and would not deter him from his search anyway because after all he would be seeking God, not man. The Bible says someone like this hates Jesus (the light) because he loves his sin - John 3:18-20 “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.” Just because we all fall short, is not an excuse to overlook someone’s sinning, but we should call it out (first privately) in the hopes that they repent, as displayed in the Bible, because we know the judgment that is to come on people and we are suppose to be an example to the unbelieving that they may turn from their sins to believing the Truth of the Gospel. Heb. 10:26-31 “For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
The devil works non-stop to make sure that we fail, and Pastors are not exempt. He also enjoys the fact that we look at the physical aspect of things not the spiritual. With that being said that's why many of us Christians are talking about Carl Lentz's mistake more than the fact that we lost someone who was making an impact for God in a place like New York. I do pray that God will give him the grace to continue in Ministry, after he has gone through his personal healing process.
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Thankyou guys for being kind, yet still telling the blunt truth.
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King David repented but his sword never left his house again, read Psalms...
When Carl Lentz writes as many Psalms as King David, I'll reconsider my feelings about him.
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I do not like how and what Carl preaches. He’s way to liberal and unbiblical. I’m not surprised about his affair, but we should definitely pray for him to come to repentance.
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We had a similar situation not directly at our church but a church around our area. He was dealt with similarly. But the amazing thing was that the church was not affected significantly where a lot of people left or anything. They knew not to worship or hold a pastor on a pedal tool and when that man failed them they were upset but realised it is Jesus who is the head of the church. Hopefully he recovers but I always notice these little indications of compromise like focus on self a lot, not taking any stance in current issues etc. I’m with u on that Paul.
Appreciate you sharing Alex. Good stuff :)
1 Timothy 5:17
Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching
Titus 1:6 ESV
If anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination.
I am with you guys on this. Not sure what should happen in the future with him but he does need time to heal, and I’m not sure if how long or if he should go back into being in a pastoral role. We all sin, God heals and restores and uses our stories/testimonies for His glory. It’s a tough one, I believe it’s between him and the Lord
Thanks for the verses🙏
i love how clear and crisp the video is guys! nice camera. (and good message!)
Thank you!
I love how you pointed out what the Bible says (that teachers of the word and those in a position of authority would be held accountable for how they used the office God gave them). So, my encouragement for you is that: as God has pleased to allow you guys have this platform, use it only to glorify God. Speak truth plainly; don’t water it down, because in the end, you’ll give an account of it. I realize that this is what you guys aim at doing, so I encourage you to continue firmly in it.
Love you guys.♥️
I am “those” people who live under a rock 😅
Haha😊
Me as I watch this month's later 😂
Galatians 6:1 Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted.
I really liked this video.
I think what I draw from David still remaining King is that God is merciful and faithful and He will still lead His repentant child to fulfill destiny and be great - whatever that may look like for Carl. He's still alive, so God hasn't given up on Him or the good and expected end that was promised
Appreciate the comment
Greed is just lust without sexual acts. It shouldn’t surprise us when celebrities of any kind step from object lust to physical lust.
Interesting
"Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly."
James 3:1
He came to a youth retreat that my husband and I took our youth group to. We had prayed for him and other pastors that they would bring the Word & not a watered down version. We still listened with discernment that weekend... but he brought it! I do think he has a gift, but he definately needs accountability. And to have that same strictness in his life as Mike Pence, especially since he has already fallen into that sin.
I do agree that the church did the right thing for letting him go. ^verse
Appreciate the comment
Glad I found you guys today subscribed!
Amen! Another great video ❤❤
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Great commentary. Do you guys have any commentary on the Jerry Falwell situation? Looking through your archives.
It sounds like, based on all I’ve read, this was just the icing on the cake. There were lots of issues. This one happened to be unable to be swept under the rug.
Yeah, sad :/
When a man think he stand take heed least he fall. No one's exempt.
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I’ve been reading a wonderful insight on how to respond to moral failure by Danny Silk and his new book Unpunishable! This is a very timely and an important conversation, would love us as the church to learn to cultivate such intimacy in our relationships that this would never happen-catching the little foxes before they ruin gardens ❤️
Let's not compare King David, Yahweh's chosen King of His chosen people, with a false teacher of a false gospel!!
I belive that God can restore his life and marriage. And after his marriage is good again I think he can server again, but he decide if he comes back as a pastor or as something else.
I don't think he can ever be put back in that situation again, nor does he deserve that, maybe a small local church where he is held accountable, but not a mega church where he is with celebrities partying... no...
@@allysonmessina1785 after all nobody deserves anything, God decides if he is good to lead again a mega church or not. And I don't think he was partying with celebrities, I'm 99% sure he was leading them or at least he was trying.
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There is more to this than just having an affair. I don't think just that would get you sacked from Hillsong.
That's what I was thinking
Hillsong church has fired the staff members who have cheated before. It definitely would get you sacked from Hillsong. Ps Brian said they found out it had been multiple affairs and other behaviours such as lying and manipulation.
I wonder if they know that Donald Trump has cheated 😂😂
He’s not a pastor and that has nothing to do with his position
@@daniellemorrisson7400 I disagree. If he was selfish enough to be willing to chat on someone he "loves" how could we trust him to not be selfish in his actions towards people he doesn't care about at all? Even now as he refuses to concede the election he is acting selfishly and hindering America from moving forward. He's a scumbag and he's being evicted from the white house.
NO WAY IS HE A GODLY PERSON. THESE 2 WILL BURN IN HELL AND DESERVE IT FOR MISLEADING MANY
I know that I normally disagree with y/all's videos, but I'd say you were actually spot on during this video. As a member of Hillsong Church (not in New York but in another city), I completely agree that right now, he should not be the pastor of a megachurch, and that's just as much for his own protection as it is for the congregation. And if he ever were to go down the route of leading a community of faith again, he definitely needs people that are willing to hold him accountable each and every day. Praying for him, his wife and kids for healing and restoration to their family and marriage.
Amen, appreciate the comment :)
Amen, lets pray to god to restore him💝
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There's no way he's working at Lowes 😂. Tyler Perry just paid 6 month rent for him at an LA beachfront mansion. Lentz is in rehab now for "depression and anxiety ". They are following a playbook to get back his image and popularity, probably not as a religious leader, but a highly paid public figure. Maybe I'm jaded, but I doubt he will be a missionary. The pay is low
You dont leave us broken / You always restore - praise God! I pray for complete restoration and discipline to pursue Jesus and the will of the Father. David is a perfect example of a man after God’s heart who fell. Pastor, Worship leader, teacher - yes we are held at different standards (due to our role).But if the Father has called Him to Pastor, if Carl partners with Holy Spirit for full restoration and accountability I dont see why He couldnt be a Pastor again. God called him to be a Pastor long before he was unfaithful to his wife. Before Carl was unfaithful to his wife, he was unfaithful to God. God is alpha and omega, He said yes to Carl knowing how many times he’d let Him down. God makes the crooked path narrow - we are all human and susceptible to sin, even our Pastors. Praying for a hedge of protection over the Hillsong flock and that their eyes would be open, ears open and that they would be steadfast in their pursuit of Jesus. Bring healing, Lord in Jesus name Amen!
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100% agree and I love how loving you handled it Happy Thanksgiving love you guys you basically said everything I want to say
Aww thanks so much, Alisha!
Why is anyone even discussing "what should happen to him?"? It's none of our bussiness. If Christians where less interested in other people's bedtime routines, keeping to themselves instead, the world would be a better place. If you believe that God is almighty, that His ways are misterious, than leave it to Him. Prayer is always good, but otherwise give this case a rest (and any other where consenting adults are involved). Any instace of abuse however is a whole different pair of boots and, in my opinion, should be talked about. I'm a Catholic and I believe that when something in your life is broken, sometimes the only way for God to make things better and help you grow, is to destroy all that is wrong. Maybe this is the case with Lentz? I don't know. I hope that everyone involved will receive the love and help they need.
Excellent video; sound Wisdom!
Thank you❤️
I think it’s a good idea for him to take some time off and just marinate in the scripture. I think it’s good that he openly admitted his wrongdoings, even if he didn’t do it right off. Hopefully that’s a healthy sign of conviction. God can definitely get his life back on track, no doubt. I think stepping out of the spotlight and!spending quality time with other faithful followers of Christ that can pour into him(like you mentioned), that would be great. Lots of prayers for him. I personally have never listened to any of his teaching, just seen him via Justin Bieber news and the view(like you also mentioned). Sorry this is very long. I have a request for y’all to look into. I have been trying to look into this myself this week and it saddens me. Francis Chan, going catholic? 🤔 from what I saw him say it didn’t sound like it, but others are saying he is. One person who is a solid bible teacher, John McArther. I have heard other Christian UA-camrs mentioning many converting to Catholic, like it’s something to watch out for. Sorry again for the long message, just curious if you guys have any insight on this topic? Happy thanksgiving btw.😁🍁🍂🦃🍽
If he repents, I don't see why he can't return to teaching. God bless Carl Lentz and his family.
I agree but it has to be a full hearted, genuine repent. No superficiality. Not I've repented now I will do a reality show and again somehow there is a focus on my naked chest.
@@skaterboy-cz9wj I agree, that's how we need to come to the Lord...with a pure and genuine heart.
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@@PaulandMorgan so true...the fruits are evidence that there is a real change.
What does the Bible say:
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1 Timothy 5:20
“Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.”
Also read Matthew 18:15-35
The only way to do this was to terminate his position because he was in position.
He still need to pray for our brother regardless.
Love you Paul and Morgan! I aspire to have a fun and Godly marriage like yours!
Aww thank you❤️
I say this with a non judgmental voice but I think it was by Gods grace that Mr. Lentz affair was brought out into the light! Our adversary wants to sift us like wheat! Now that the indescreations have been brought out Holy Spirit can do its work in Mr. Lentz and his family. It is my prayer that strong Christians married couples....strong in their walk with God and strong in the marriage surround this couple with support and love and guidance! I dont the Lentz family and I will most likely never meet them on this side of heaven but I am their sister in christ and I am called to pray for them and with them.
God can certainly use Mr and Mrs Lentz and their story in a incredible way.
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Big learning opportunity for pastor lentz. If he knows how to manage After all pass he will feel thankful for the experience he went through.
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Here's something he should not do; according to a recent article "Adult entertainment site CamSoda has offered the religious man $77,700 to be its resident pastor, delivering weekly sermons on the website throughout the holiday season, DailyMail.com can exclusively reveal." It seems like the "Jezebel spirit" is raging in the world now. Is that why so many people are eager to forgive him?
Yikes
One thing's for sure - he can NOT ever be a pastor or elder ever again.
They were right to let him go. The bible talks about church discipline especially for leaders.
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Pastor Lentz deserves prayers from people and guidance from those who are respected. What should happen is need to fully repent his sins and acknowledge his weakness and errors in a genuine fashion. There should be repercussions for his actions ie loss of money, opportunity, even respect from his family and friends BUT what should happen is healing, correction, growth and forgiveness. What should happen is he becomes humbled and ministers and lives with humility. The gift of relating with people is questionable. He needs to minister - preach, lead, counsel with a PURE heart. You can't help but notice, not judge he loved the attention, he loved hanging with celebrities, I pray and hope that the focus of his life and ministry will be his heart for God and realness of God not "how cool he is". Some modesty/humility in how he lives might strengthen his ministry. As one person crudely suggested if he spent more time studying the Bible and building into his life, his family life and others rather than his abs. While I don't wish ill will if he was humbled like instead of a flashy church with lots of resources including fancy and techno worship services and Christmas and Easter huge extravaganzas if he can get to the root of his faith maybe he can be rehabilitated. I know I risk judging him because it seems he has a lot of money and fans more "in love" with his coolness factor - body, dress, hair. What should happen is like I said a "time out" focussing in on God - moving to LA wasn't exactly the mecca of peace and time and place for reflection. Walking the beach in winter with no shirt honestly does not suggest modesty, humility. I really hope we see him preach again but he SHOULD not do a reality show. Please go for a full healing. Humble his heart and may he have a full healing. Like that song Never Enough from the Greatest Showman Pastor Carl had it all. Looks, money, beautiful and adoring family, adoring fans, a lifestyle that allowed him to hang with the rich, famous and desirable, he has good genetics and a charismatic personality and a world of opportunities professionally, ministry wise and life. There should be consequences if not for deterrence and denunciation and then allow for a healing. Time will tell.
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It happens in the bible over and over again where big figures break down before god and repent and beg for forgiveness and they’re forgiven. I think Carl needs to really look at the verse proverbs 27:17 iron sharpens iron one man sharpens another although it is a good thing to try and spread the word to celebrities it can turn around to bit him in the end because Carl will need a very very strong walk with god to avoid being tempted to behave like the celebrities. I think it’s also completely possible for him to go back to a church and do minister to people because we’re not all perfect but he also need to think about the people he’s hanging around with all the time to hopefully have more positive influence versus negative influence on him
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So, you guys are and have been SO against the "love yourself" movement, yet accept Carl Lentz excuse right away of "when you are pouring out to people but not being poured into and when you are taking care of other peoples spirits but not taking care of yours, you are going to fail" (which is exactly what the "love yourself" movement is about. We have to be able to help ourselves before we can help others.) AKA Needing to care for himself more and stop always worrying about others, in basic terms. But that "When you are pouring out to people but not being poured into" statement really made me feel for his wife, as that REALLY felt like he was definitely trying to blame his wife, for not "pouring into him" aka "fulfilling his needs", which is disgusting.
Do I know if he’s a true believer or not.. I cannot say. However based on his preaching, lifestyle, and now this recent act he is atleast in rebellion against God.
I feel very sad for hill song church, while they have bits and pieces of the truth, I do not believe they teach the true gospel.
I watched a video of him recently, and all he did was talk about himself, how great he was, his celebrity friends. And then went as far as saying he might change his mind on abortion and gay marriage.
We need to be careful to not be deceived. Just because a church has a few good standing points and some good music does not mean they represent God.
I am very surprised they let him go, and I will definitely give them credit for that.
But their church as a whole is just SO unclear about the true gospel and has ties with very shady things.
So I can’t say I’m entirely surprised by what he did.
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It seems like people have forgotten about the history of Peter and the denial of Jesus 3 time's. Or how God sees the beginning and ending and calls David a man after His own heart knowing what will happen in the future. And as a real monkey wrench Bathsheba ends up in the genealogy of the Messiah. Hmmmm, redemption, that's an interesting concept. I wonder where that comes from? God can take anyone's mess and make it their message. It depends if the repentance is real? Not just a promise to do better which never works. But an actual heart change which is God's deliverance not fleshly centered dualistic will worship and straining.
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I commend VP Pence for setting standards for himself. At face value, this isn't treating the opposite sex professionally. However, no one has the right to make you uncomfortable, especially at work. I work with mostly men at my job, but I need to respect their space and vice versa.
The problem with fallen ministers is that some followers might stumble too. You guys had a great point that someone who fell while in leadership might be vulnerable to further sin in those types of roles, like an alcoholic walking past a bar. Some sins God delivers us from immediately, while others might suffer with that particular temptation for life. There are Biblical and current examples of both. Also, I'm a mother and grandmother, but have never been married, yet I've been on two worship teams, which was so healing and meaningful. Am I currently sinning? Yes. Everyone is. But there were foundational shifts in me over the years, and my sins are far less severe or gone entirely in almost every area. I trust and obey God to lead my life way more than I did before, and keep in relationship with Him to allow Him to do more. The Bible says that we shall know them by their fruits. I think the biggest problem with Carl was that he wanted to taste more of the fruit of the world instead of the fruit of the Spirit.
He must have repented, then he needs to sit down for along time until he has proven himself that he is repentant.
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You guys are the best! Keep grinding and keep leading Paul! You’re an amazing woman Morgan!
Aww thank you!❤️🙏
I am wondering why Paul is not wearing a wedding ring? I have never seen this channel before so I don't know why if it was explained in another video. Its not her fault she is not saved. Why expect her too act like she is? And he lied to her and told her he was single and then she FOUND out he was married and broke up with him and he came to her apartment with tequila and she gave in! Dont blame her! As far as Hillsong's actions there were other situations for the past 3 years not just one. The confession on his page was written by Hillsong HQ. Carl moved to LA Manhattan beach. He goes to the beach by himself with his shirt off . Not sure if anyone is holding him accountable. It doesn't seem like it. Forgiveness is not the issue trust is. He is not trustworthy.He might work for black lives matter! One of the leaders is his good friend and he went to the riots.
Morgan you are STUNNING!!!
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I believe that Hillsong did do the right thing. Honestly, most Celebrity Pastors seem to at least tinker with either Progressive Christianity or the Prosperity Gospel. I agree that there are consequences to our actions and that we should hold these leaders to higher standards. Personally, I am seeing celebrities displaying fake remorse. While showing grace is a must, we need to acknowledge what repentance really is. Many people seem to take for granted that these "celebrity pastors" or celebrities period actually mean what they say. The Hollyweird world is saturated with actors who know what to say in order to appear to be a "virtuous" person. However, I see many working class citizens, blindly following these people as if they are truly as virtuous as they make themselves appear to be. I am not saying that Carl Lentz is doing what these actors are doing. I am saying that we need to be mindful of the factors that can sometimes indicate insincerity and red flags when we see/hear people making apologies.
King David fell before God and also prophet Nathan as he was being rebuked however in contrary Carl Lentz after being caught and then rebuked he then went to his mistress and having a 'goodbye sex' for the last time as being told in the interview by Rani Karim(the mistress) .
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Works at Lowe’s?! 😭😭😭
Nothing but love for Lowe’s😄❤️
Being a celebrity is not a sin. Its what you do with it. You should never worship ministers though because they are not perfect they are human. We need to pay for Carl and his family that they can recover and heal.
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Grace upon grace and he fell in jesus and is still a Christian, we need to pray for our brother and restore him in love, not trowing stones Hebrew 10:14 if he accepted jesus he is perfect in God's eyes and was walking in that moment after the flesh but was still in the spirit, God will discipline him in love and restore him! Not punish him for the past but discipline him for the future.
PRAY for Carl Lentz & Hillsong - they are going astray from their God given mandate of bringing Jesus to the young generation, but God can bring them BACK on Track !
~ Deep PRAYER leads to Deep REPENTANCE.
~ We need to return to the Highway of HOLINESS ! (Isaiah 35:8-10)
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I think when you're doing so much for a ministry and in the church and no you're not being poured into also then I guess this where things happen and we give into that temptation. I'm experiencing a similar situation and I'm sure now that he's has been fired this affects other people that depended on his role and this currently my situation. Sighhhh so I was curious to hear your discussion to see if it could shed some light on my situation
Something I noticed is my pastor is NEVER never alone especially when he travels. He always walks around with security. And he says he does that because although he has been delivered for years we should never trust our flesh and be kept accountable.
Amen, love that example :)
Paul looks like a dad in that shirt! Lol much love!!
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Titus 1:7 “For a bishop [i.e. pastor] must be blameless, as the steward of God; not self-willed, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre...” and Paul says this again in Timothy. There’s literally a pic of Lentz out taking shots with Justin Bieber at a bar... Carl was most likely a hireling (John 10:12-13), you can pretty much tell just from his interviews how loosely he holds to the words of the Bible and how quick he is to “I’m not sure” on issues the Bible is clear about (2 Tim. 4:2-5). The Bible is very vocal on the qualifications for being a pastor and unfortunately it doesn’t seem like Carl fit those qualifications to begin with... (1 Tim. 3:3-6; 1 John 2:15-17; James 4:4) It really is sad but also this is why we are suppose to be praying for pastors and those in authoritative positions (1 Tim. 2:1-2). I don’t say all this to bash the man but like you said teachers and preachers will be held to a higher standard by God so it’s not crazy for us to expect pastors to act a certain way, especially with the following he has/had, as he is suppose to be a reflection of Christ to the world. Which is also another reason we really need to be praying for them and their souls (that they’re are in the position as a saved person and not just someone who happens to know some of the Bible and is looking for a job). In Rev. 3:14-17 Jesus does PROMISE to spit out (in Greek the word is “vomit”) lukewarm Christians. 1 Pet. 4:17 also says “For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God...” People (and especially so-called Christians) need to be taking Jesus and the Bible seriously, now is not the time to be playing around with God - make SURE you are saved (don’t just guess or “feel” like you are but we need to be examining ourselves (2 Cor. 13:5) and asking God to confirm it in His Word that we have actually been born again, of the Spirit (John 3:5)).
Didn’t mean to rant but we’re living in crazy times, especially spiritually and I just hope people can see that. (Also I would just stay away from Hillsong in general, nice sounding music but their teachings are not doctrinally sound in the least bit, and it does carry into their music at times). Anyways, appreciated the video and will be praying for you guys too 🙏😊 (Also just wondering if you guys have or have thought about sharing the gospel in your videos, as I’m sure you also have unbelievers that watch your channel too 🤷♀️). Happy Thanksgiving! 🦃😊
Amen!!
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This is surprising considering all the horrible rumors going around about Bethel and Hillsong and I’m actually kinda proud of them
Guys, after all these discussions remember that God care about you spending time with him than chats about others. Its only He who strengthens us, anyone of us could find ourselves in same position
Probably didn't need to be kicked out of the church. He could be stepped down and counselled. Instead he was booted out on his butt. I think there's more to the story we don't know that caused such a drastic removal.
@Right On your probably right
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THANK YOU MIKE PENCE!
Titus and the Timothys lay out the qualifications a pastor needs to meet. He not only didn't meet them, he betrayed them. He should therefore no longer be a pastor. That's not to say he isn't a Christian anymore, or even that I don't hope he finds a way to fix his marriage and personal life, but he is no longer eligible for leadership ministry.
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Not judge mental of the church. Sounds like now, we are finding out that this woman was not the first. As a Christian, praying for him and his family. Saw so many pics of him drinking with his famous friends. Today.....he will face his Lord. He will decide who he wants to follow. Pray for him, and his precious wife and family. When you are on a high tower, the fall is long and spectacular.
If everyone’s businesses were blasted for the world to know they would be none absent of sins so this system is step up for failure
That is defiantly true everyone is judging a man for sinning for they all sin I find it interesting because people expect pastors to be Jesus and there shocked when they are just as human as you and I are . I feel bad for him in a way and worse for his wife . He is broken and needs prayers and all people want to do is gossip more 🤷♀️ and most love that he failed . Loving that someone else failed and gossiping about it are just as bad as the things he did outside his marriage . We are all sinning it’s actually sad . I know the point of the video isn’t bad but the comments wow , this world is in trouble for sure
My general take on pastors and church leaders and infidelity is, step down. Get all the way out of the limelight. Focus everything you have on repentance, on restoration with your spouse if they are willing (and it's within their rights biblically to leave you for this) and on healing your relationship with God. Don't even think about returning to teaching. I do think it could happen in the future, depending on the situation, but you certainly shouldn't be in a hurry to get back. If you ever do, it better not be the same you in that pulpit.
Another thing that is important for the story of David when it comes to him keeping his position is that David was chosen by God literally Carl wasn't. "Literally" chosen not just a popular Christian
The bible is clear in Mathew 5:29 " And if they right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for. I think his story can guide many but he has to avoid such a big platform so that he doesn't fall in temptation.
1st Timothy 3:2 says Husband of but one wife, literally, a “one-woman man.” So he is discarded from pastoral ministry if that is what he was doing... you should check out Ioe Rogans thoughts on him and it was shocking sort of on how he sees him and calls him “one of us” as in a non Christian
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I understand he has a platform and should be careful at what he says and does cause so many people are looking up to them and I completely agree with hillsong letting him go but I think it’s important for people to realize that he is still human and still sins just like all of us do none of us are perfect.
Think about what Jesus did with Peter. Amazing grace.
@Right On? How do you know his heart? Who made you judge? Last time I checked that's similar to what the phrases said about mary
Yeah, because that definitely happened.
Good analysis of the current situation and I do appreciate the perspectives that you both provided.. however, noticed a couple political notes here and there. Not saying one party is better than the other, but I do believe that Christianity circumvents political boundaries. Republicans/democrats alike can worship the same God, regardless of where you came from or what you are passionate about. Good job though!
Love the thing with mike pence but with his job it is surprising that he is never alone in a room with a woman. I am all for that. This may not make any sense at all. Also I think that Carl should get the chance to apologize the the church and take time off and work on his marriage and relationship with christ and his kids. Then if he and his wife feel they are ready maybe he preaches locally at a small church and that could help with temptation and falling into sin.
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This man’s poor family! He is probably going to have to go through a long period of restoration .
Can Morgan make a video on her hair care though ??😍😭
King David, prior to the incident with Batsheva, receives a very important promise from the Lord, it is due to this promise, he is not removed from the Throne, and because of it that He does not experience in his person the normal penalty of we would expect him to experience. Yet it is clear that the King of Israel, is not above The Law. Jehovah made a clear example of David to the whole nation of Israel.
He will write a book using this situation, tons of people will fall for that.... too sad
Is that not what King David did? 😂 wrote a book (psalms) about it.?
I think she needs to terminate him. Like it’s a bad look on her to keep him around and not have a clear time apart. Restore after a break and space apart. To get spiritual self scope.
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I like youre show,I think carl lentz,knows what GOD wants him to do...
Thanks for watching :)