‘It was troubling. It was disturbing’: Additional piece of evidence uncovered in Oxford High Sch...
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- Опубліковано 30 лис 2021
- Four students were killed, six students were injured and one teacher was injured Tuesday when a 15-year-old sophomore opened fire at Oxford High School, officials said.
He was allowed to go back to class after all of his behavior. That's a huge failure by both the school and the parents.
yep thats how schools stay
all schools districts are concerned about anymore are test scores and attendance money.
@@kris6051 because that is how the states choose to fund the school. Our public schools should be funded better and differently than test scores or masking policies (looking at you Florida)
Man idk because it’s amazing that a teacher would even have to consider , o I also gotta consider this guy is gunna shoot up the school today.
Not surprise. We have a poor regulated school districts in America.
I don’t understand why school administrators can’t cancel school when there’s threats?! Take it seriously you never know if it’s real or not.
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Facts
Mine did this friday
Blame should be laid with the parents for providing a 15 year old with a gun
@@baldeagle4710 - bro you make no sense. Because that school DIDNT take it serious, 4 kids died. If your concerned about kids lying just to get out of school, make the punishment expulsion if caught. I doubt it would be some kind of overwhelming issue of kids lying about shooting up schools to get the day off
When the prosecutor said they found disturbing evidence and he was “able to go back to class”…. Man that’s messed up..
that poor teacher that reported him probably feel guilty in some way or helpless that they did everything right but the school administration like always fails to take appropriate action. I hope lawsuits are filed against whoever thought it was a bright idea to let him back and not call the police and have him arrested for terroristic threats.
@@meh5872 I agree. And idk if you’ve seen it yet but they did post a video of the stuff she couldn’t talk about yet in this vid that makes her statement even more messed up.. he posed multiple threats in person and on social media about how his life is meaningless and how he wants to kill people and showed many signs of deep depression. That’s what the meeting was about when they called him to the office but little did they know the things he threatened to do happened moments right after they let him walk out that door without checking his book bag…
@@hayden6265 that’s because the parents didn’t alert anyone that he had access to a gun and they didn’t lock the gun(s) up like they’re supposed to. If the school did anything there would have been trouble, most parents fight about suspensions and threaten the school. All those parents are to blame for this kind of stuff happening. They leave the school no choice most of the time😳😳😳
His parents had a hissy fit. Had to get back to work. The typical "Not my kid. He is a good kid" response.
Parents deserve charges. They bought him a gun 4 days prior, yet said nothing!
@@GlamGal001 no law in MI requiring gun to be locked up, school should have made him take an immediate mental health exam before returning
i think his parents' and school's lack of action is really the main issue here.
That is 100% the main problem the parents being bad gun owners is just icing on this cake to be used in the story.
Yes
What do you mean by "parents and school lack of action"?
@@cesarmolina7912 I mean with the amount of red flags in the case, there was so much both the parents and school could have done, that would mean no blame could be placed on "guns". Nobody seems to care about the issue at hand, its only whatever tool he used to commit his crime.
@@tylermark7497 yes but there will always be red flags.
Unfortunately because he has freedom of speech, just like you and I, we can only be held responsible when an action has or is occurring.
I don't think that blame shifting here is going help.
Please don't get me wrong. We can point fingers all day and of course I have thoughts on how and maybe, this all could have been prevented but... Unfortunately in the end, it was this kid who pulled the trigger.
It's all sad
I’ve been saying for 30 years, students are expected to pass physical education, but nothing has ever been done to check their mental education. Regular mental screening/testing/simple conversation could stop these things before they happen.
This
Decent gun controls would minimise the damage unhinged people can do too. Works everywhere else in the world. Until gun laws are changed this kind of tragedy will continue.
could but it won't. There are always signs, but they are usually always ignored. Then there are those is society that say, toughen up, I was bullied so get over it, these kids today are too soft, until people truly care about it, it will just keep happening. Oh and then my favorite...Who's going to pay for it. (because when it comes to mental health and prevention, that question always seems to come up)
"Students are expected to pass physical education." Uhh where?? You see how many land whales are walking around these days and all liberals say is "body positivity!!" Meanwhile they are scared to death of covid while heart issues is still the leading cause of death!
@@Bolachas25 Perhaps that would be the case had he purchased the firearm himself, but in this case it was owned legally by his father. The problem in this case specifically isn't gun control, it's the parents not locking up their guns.
And also mental health, don't forget that either.
The prosecutor saying, “…and unfortunately he was allowed to go back to class.” speaks volumes.
And if he wasn't allowed to go back to class this would not have happened? He also wasn't allowed to bring a gun to school and to kill people and yet it still happened...although he wasn't allowed to do so...strange.
I don't get it, when did he go back to class? after he shot or was there something else that took place that they aren't saying. That is some weird wording..
@@BrianRox She said there was a ‘troubling, disturbing piece of evidence that hasn’t been released yet’. Seems like there were threats being made but nobody knew how to handle it or didn’t take it seriously. There’s obviously a lot more to the story that we don’t know yet
@@BrianRox I'm assuming maybe he made some sort of threat or something like that prior to the shooting?...The School staff shrugged it off and sent him back to class.. when in reality they should have suspended/expelled him. I have no idea... just my theory
@@moos5221 Are you slow? The implication is that if acted on he wouldn’t have been let back to class and either arrested or committed.
I’m confused, how is not guilty even an option? He literally did it, am I misunderstanding something here?
Maybe not guilty by reason of insanity
Because it still has to actually be *proven* in court. That's the way the Constitution and US law works.
welcome to NA
@@dodoontherocks insanity doesn’t make u plan to bring a gun to school to kill ppl , i would cut my hand if a black man or arab killed someone in school u would say insanity is the reason u will say its a crime no matter what ,u would say its terrorism lmao
They need to set a example of this kid and his parents. And it's about time the go after the parents and hold them accountable.
they have done that already with the 6 year old who took his dads gun and shot people, thinking it was a toy. The parents were held responsible.
Yeaaaaaa no its already been done lmao
Why didn’t the school immediately suspend him? He shouldn’t have been allowed on campus after the threats he made on social media were reported.
How did his parents not make sure the gun was secured and in a place their son wouldn’t be able to get to it? He posted threats on social media and they had two meetings with school officials, not like it was a surprise!
If they suspended every kid that teachers suspected of being dangerous, or posted photos online with guns, were involved in gangs, etc., or were so disruptive no teaching is taking place, 75% of classrooms would be empty; and every protest group would be screaming civil rights violations. In the overwhelming majority of these cases, there is a history of psychotropic drugs being prescribed and/or time spent with "psychologists"/"psychiatrists" who use brainwashing and Big Pharma on kids for their own purposes.
@@SK-xn1pv I think that is a gross over exaggeration of percentage of students who are violent. Stop using hyperbole statements for something so serious, to try to scare people. Truth is parents knew and apparently did not take the appropriate actions to keep their child or others safe. Neither did the school.
They make big money with problem kids
If they did this they would have to shut down every inner city school in the US.
@@XXsadwonderlandXX it was a gross over exaggeration. It is actually happening. Take your head out if the sand and look around at what is happening in this country.
So the kid had the gun in his backpack the whole day and after all the red flags nobody looked in his backpack? That's insane. If they can check my crotch and shoes when I get on an airplane they can check a kid's backpack and the parents definitely could have given permission.
Exactly!! The federal government could eliminate any such events, along with countless students who carry illegal firearms to school every day simply by having metal detectors and security at controlled entries/exits. Many, many years ago when I taught at an inner city middle school, we routinely had an officer from Fulton County prison on campus every day. They were usually massive guys who towered above the kids; which would also benefit high schools when available, especially because they are there to be buddies with the students, unlike "campus monitors" with radios and/or an officer from local police who is often in charge of two or more schools at the same time.
Exactly 💯 something happened. Seems like this is a smoke screen.. don't mind the Maxine court case.. watch this and loot and riot again.. (the left) they want every American un armed and a drone zombie
Ignore those comments saying this was planned by the govt to take away guns…
Could’ve sent him home. Can’t blame them for not checking the backpack.
There’s something called the Fourth Amendment. They can’t just randomly search his backpack even if there’s red flags, unless the red flags would specifically indicate he possibly has a gun.
Honestly it was absolutely irresponsible and disgusting that this kid has not been suspended after he made threats on social media. If they had suspended or expelled him, this tragedy would have never happened.
Golly that’s just heartbreaking knowing that these red flags were ignored. 💔😞
No, it could still happen when he came back to school after the suspending. As long as mental unable people can get access to a gun, these kind of things will happen.
What do you mean this would never happen? He can still come to school and shoot the kids.
@@jillvandeklundert3715 I mean yeah realistically he could just walk back into school but it definitely doesn't look good on them that they let a kid back into school after he said he would kill everyone and he actually shoots up the school
Lyanu B, just another leftist sacrifice to further gun control!
@@thomastolbert6184 Really?? Doesnt seem to be working, the gun laws are getting more and more liberal, so what are you talking about.?
As usual, the system fails and everybody's like "how did this happen" even though the same thing happens over and over again. Pay attention to your children, parent your children.
The school should be charged for allowing him back to class...
Let's hold EVERYONE accountable
How are you gonna charge a school? 😂
@@ilikewaffles3689 they need to get sued!!
@@summera4019 they'll be sued but it won't change anything.
Does anyone actually know what the concern was or what came up in the meeting? It'd be better then just trying to find something to blame.
@@ilikewaffles3689 well first you lock down the school. Then when everyone is out you build a cage around the school so it can’t escape. Now assuming this school doesn’t eat food or drink anything you can just leave it there until it learns it’s lesson
The school knew of the threats, so much so they had two meetings with Ethan but sent him back to class. Sickening! Ethan should have been suspended the day before.
And his locker and backpack, person searched.
make an example of these parents, sick of people furthering the white loner kid stereotype and even more sickening is the loss of innocent young lives that had bright future ahead.. also make an example of the stupid school too
We don't really know what was said in those meetings yet so it seems a bit pre-mature to assume they had full knowledge of what was to come.
Also a suspension really doesn't stop someone with intention to kill. Just gives him more time to plan or can just show up to school while suspended.
I agree they should have taken actions but I don’t believe it would have changed anything. he’ll just reschedule the shooting and it may even convince him to do it more
@@MrBeame you are right we don't know what was said, but we do know a threat was made, that's enough to red flag the individual. Also what responsible adult buys his kid a hand gun at 15?
The sight of that young man elicits nothing but disgust.
"And his attorney entered a not guilty plea for him."
Who wants people like that around?
Ya can you believe it. Could there be any greater attack on the victims than to place a not guilty plea.. Disgrace. Rip victims and sympathy to family
I agree that he's blatantly guilty, but you still need to uphold the rule of law and the constitution. It's his right to plead not guilty, even if all that does is drag out the legal proceedings.
"Innocent until proven guilty," is a cornerstone of our legal code, specifically put in place to ensure that someone who is actually Innocent doesn't get convicted for a crime they didn't commit... not that it doesn't happen a lot, but that's a different argument.
The whole irony of this tragedy is that it could’ve and should’ve been avoided. All the signs were there that this guy was disturbed. Why the hell would you buy him a gun? The parents and the son should be held accountable and be punished to the full extent of the law. I think school officials should be held accountable too.
Considering the text the mom sent this POS either right before or right after the meeting at the school and the fact that both parents took off after realizing they were going to be charged too, I'd say just throw the whole family away... they knew their son had issues, they just didn't care enough to get him help or to protect others from him. I'd say they deserve whatever sentence he gets too.
@@mollycollins498 exact reason we need to the death penalty to be reinstated there no way we can allow people like that to exist in society
Wait for the facts
If the victim's were bullies they deserved it kinda otherwise not
So if they bullied him I hope all charges are dropped
@@jaydenrussell7491 there's no way I'd allow one more innocent person to be executed
Ethan might be guilty but some ppl executed has been innocent and I don't wanna risk it
@da midwif SHUT UP!
JUST SHUT UP AND LEARN HOW TO SPELL YOU FREAK
The parents said no to counselling. Then the sheriff's office should have been called! Their son was a ticking time bomb.
For what a drawing?
@@Spiritlife01 I’m going to assume you don’t know exactly what it was he drew. The drawing was more than enough to at least consider him to be a threat to other people or even himself at the very least. Guess we know now that he was indeed a threat to others, considering he murdered 4 people right after said drawing was found.
@@Spiritlife01 he was also searching for bullets to buy and his mom's text: LOL don't get caught next time.
Too bad capital punishment is not on the table.
My parents tried to take me to counseling but I refused.
I totally agree with this.
This is horrific but, just as in most of these shootings, it comes out that he had problems and everybody knew it but nobody did anything about it.
it’s like they’ve learned nothing within the past 15 or so years. everything is known, nothing is actually done about it.
edit for those somehow annoyed w this comment? i vote according to my views, including what i just stated above. im not only advocating but voting for people/programs that are committed to helping all sorts of disadvantaged people. @zammmerjammer - i’m sure you’re trying to paint me as an extreme leftist who votes for lizard people because i mentioned the issue with school shootings - your assumptions don’t apply to me. pigeon hole someone else.
stay safe y’all!
@@jessetm7732 And whenever proposals for more funding for social services are put forward, are you voting in favour? Or do you vote for politicians who do nothing but cut social services so they can run on a platform of tax cuts?
what's horrific is my toilet after eating Indian food
@@loudelement Yes. The BLM terrorist killed more in the same amount of time with his car in Waukesha. Members of a certain bronze age belief system are killing three, four or more in the same amount of time with blades on a regular basis in Europe. Try again, gun-grabber.
@@loudelement maybe a sword. But as we saw in Wisconsin, a car will do just fine.
I don’t understand why school officials haven’t been criminally charged
There’s no justice everyone gets a slap on the wrist
The school can't be charged or be held responsible for his actions.
It's like putting up a "gun free zone" all over the campus and expecting that that will make the shooter go away.
Only people that will be targeted is responsible gun owners. Everyone knows its coming.
His parents knew he had access to the gun and possibly had it on him at that time. The school didn't.
@@cesarmolina7912
"we did it, boys. school shootings are no more."
The father is a disgrace to gun owners, you keep your guns locked up or on your person! No excuse for this baby faced kid to have had access to it.
He gave Ethan the gun for Christmas (early )
@@christinedurant2237 really? So the minor had access to the weapon at all times? Thats ridiculous!
To be clear, I see nothing wrong with giving a child a gun & teaching them to shoot, UNDER ADULT SUPERVISION / in a safe environment. Never, ever for them to have access to it alone. 🤦♂️
This is why I left teaching in the public schools. So many of these students have serious mental, social, and emotional issues that the schools are not equipped to deal with. It's horrifying how many students have mental issues that are simply not addressed, or addressed with a band-aide and then sent back to class for the other students, staff and teachers to deal with on their own. It's sad and scary. And I can guarantee in it's in every school in one form or another.
Parents need to find help for their children, instead of thinking public schools going to handle it.
Weak reason to leave. Those kids need teachers
People who could be decent teachers would be better off starting families and homeschooling instead. Babysitting other peoples’ teenagers is a waste of time.
@@lovernatz Teachers have families they'd like to come home to. Teachers have families they'd like to spend time with. When I first had my own kids, all the professionals told me that I needed to take care of myself first so that I could have the reserves I needed to do a good job of taking care of my children. But teachers are told to take care of absolutely everyone else first, leaving them in the position of being overwhelmed by demands that never stop, that in fact grow each year. Kids need teachers, I totally agree. But teachers aren't automatons; they're human beings that need to have the overarching pressure taken off. Fully 1/4 of all teachers currently teaching say they won't be back next year. Telling someone their reason for wanting to leave is "weak" is not a solution. In fact, it perpetuates the problems that cause teachers to leave.
Unbridled... UNDISCIPLINED little MONSTERS!!
Raised *largely* in single-parent ...predominately MATRIARCHAL households.
A “not guilty” plea? Absolutely NOT!!! The boy, his parents, and whomever allowed him to return to class should be brought up on charges for this tragedy! My prayers are with the family of all of the lives lost and injured by this monster.
All these killer Kyle supporters are reaping what they sew. These masshooters are now entitled because they allowed him to feel that way
>>A “not guilty” plea? Absolutely NOT!!!
You think people _don't_ have a right to plead Not Guilty? Even OJ entered a Not Guilty plea. This isn't Nigeria. People have the right to plead whatever they like in US courts.
There going to say it was done out of insanity. He's needs life in prison for taking other kids life.
@@cushe83 this has nothing to do with Kyle. Everybody Kyle shot was trying to kill him so get over it soy boy!
@cushe83. Did you really just bring up KYLE & say this relates to a 17 defending himself!? Arghhh thk god you weren't on the Jury . I respectfully disagree with you on Kyle. It was self defense!
Did the parents actually WANTED something to happen? Why do you buy a gun when you know your child’s troubled.
When the mother was texted by her son she said “lol don’t worry, jus t don’t get caught next time” paraphrasing but you can look it up for the fact words.
@@Rando240 that was in reference to him looking at buying bullets on his phone in class. Other than disrespectful, there is nothing alarming about that. The drawing on the other hand , well,
@@guns4786 oh I didn’t know that, but yea he definitely showed red flags especially on the last day. So sad how it could have been prevented if the parents had cared.
@@Rando240 I agree, the kid should have been removed from the school.
Parents are deranged too.
Schools when a kid is getting beat up and he fights back: SUSPENDED
Schools when they have a serious threat that endangers lives: I really don’t see the big deal here
"He was allowed to go back to class". The quote at every school across the nation. No discipline what so ever happening at schools, just go have a little 5min pep talk with the principal, and get sent back to class THE SAME period! Even for swearing at, threatening and posturing physically at the teacher.
I have seen children as young as 5 throw chairs across the class room ! I have walked in and see a class room in shambles in a kindergarten room the signs are usually there and The teachers hands are tied school administrators are so scared of being sued that they let these kids usually just get no Consequences!
SO why is the Principal still a Principal?
That because psychiatrist told people that whipping your kids would make them criminals. And now discipline was removed from most schools. And most of these kid's were put on timeout so they were never taught that there's consequences for your decision. Good things for good decision, bad thing's for bad decision.
While I do agree with what you are saying, it must also be mentioned that in the school system teachers and administrators are wrong no matter what. We try to suspend a child and we are threatened with lawsuits from the parents. Schools have their hands tied and until parents and schools can work together, nothing will get better
This is the end result of removing God and corporal punishment from schools. I grew up when we were raised by the Bible and the belt. I would never have dreamed of touching my father's gun, let alone taking it to school and shooting classmates with it.. If I had, I still wouldn't be able to sit down today, 55 years later,
Seems like every year these shooters get younger and younger, my heart goes out to the families of the victims.
It's because they can get guns either from their parents or buy online.
It’s because every year our country gets stupider and stupider. The U.S. is unwilling to change. Our society in this country is to blame.
@@jasonhughes1463 lol ur propaganda
@@karas.4329 Lol you think guns are the problem when in reality if he wanted to kill these people bad enough he would do it with any means
@@jeefsquaa you’re right, mental health is the real issue in this country. It’s not guns.
This could've been easily prevented. At my high school a few months ago, a kid tried bringing in a gun in his backpack but was quickly stopped before he could even enter the building. It's really sad and a tragedy that this happened, and that 4 young lives were taken because no one paid enough attention.
It’s now been said that his parents bought him that gun for a Christmas gift, what kind of parents buy a 15 year old any gun to begin with? Throw the book at these two.
your not smart bruh. your looking for something and someone to blame instead of going for the real problem, the fu***ng kid.
@@pprone not to mention a 15 year old shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.. Duh 🤷
@@jeffring8954 Kids have owned guns for a long time my friends daughters both owned guns for hunting but they were also sent to classes on using a gun and the responsiblity of having a gun. They were young tweens at the time in Ohio but a hand gun No they should not have one. Anna In Ohio
@@pprone just because people are blaming the parents or the school doesn't mean they aren't blaming him. It's a given that he's to blame but mentioning the others who were involved isn't a given to some people. All of this could have been prevented. Schools really need to start patting down kids before they enter.
I mean I got my first rifle at 10 but it was a .22
The audacity to enter a “not guilty” plea smh. I’m sure they are going to claim temporary insanity.
They can claim it doesn’t mean it will stand
I agree. absurd.
They prolly gonna argue that they classmates drive home to insanity cuz from what I’ve heard he was very bullied
Everyone... the parents, the school, EVERYONE failed not only this boy but the ones who lost their lives. This should be a moment for parents to wake up and realize that we have to be "nosey" parents. We MUST be involved in every aspect of our children's lives.
@@sonergirlraerae3933 nobody failed this kid but himself, bullying is wrong but I happens to everybody
The lawsuits could have been avoided. The teacher took a pic of a drawing he made showing his intent. The school still let him stay in school. They let them kids down. So sad, prayers to them and their families
Factz ...
From.what I read the note that the teacher took a picture of the kid stated for help in a way. In which the school got is parents and I'd say did what they could, bur the parents failed and didn't take him put of school or talk to him
The school did not let the society down , the parents did.They are his first teacher ,they knew their child more than any one else. Put the blame in the right place.
That's because they want that school money.
@@dmp9681 They share the blame. Is that too hard to see? The school's job is to keep those kids safe. Rather he was asking for help. It is their responsibility to err on the side of caution. It's obvious to us all given the information they had beforehand that he needed to be removed from school. They didn't and this is the result. There seemed to be no sense of urgency.
Every child deserve a parent but not every parent deserve a child.
I believe parents should always be held accountable for their kids actions. That way they would have no choice but to be paying attention to their children.
Who would believe your own kid would/could do that. No priors here. He said the images and words he drew were for a video game and that was what career he wanted in the future. Rather than go home and be alone which was what administrators first wanted, they were talked into letting him back into class. Its beyond sad the whole situation.
His parents are more into this situation than you think. It was found that the mom of the boy had messaged him “don’t do it” the morning of the shooting.
@@Joseph05227 now they are. Maybe a text message is not the proper way to parent.
Parents: stay in your kids life, talk to them daily, eat dinner with them.. make them spend time with you. If anything throws up a red flag, seek help before these terrible events occur.
These parents were incapable of that. The parents needed adult supervision.
That family definitely doesn’t eat dinner together.
Yeah, and get rid of your freaking guns.
Agreed, and don't kids on medications, that really messes with mind when they are off of it.
"Parents: stay in your kids life..."
These parents needed to be OUT of his life. The father bought the gun for him. He didn't sneak into his father's bedroom and take the gun; it was GIVEN to him, which is a federal offense.
The parents and school failed everyone else at this school.
don't forget the NRA!
@@manohoo what?
The little cunts who relentlessly bullied this kid also deserve a savage beating.
@@manohoo yup. No one wants to talk about it. Guns need to be banned.
Maybe he can get out on bond like that colored school shooter did in Texas.
Everyone blames bullying or something but I was bullied to the point of suicidal and nihilistic behaviors too. I didnt go after other people. I tried to off myself. You can't just be like "if he wasn't bullied so much" or "if someone just reached out..." because sometimes people have had this idea of "fairness" planted in their mind. The only thing they can think of is how to get back at others for how unfair life was to them. Life hasn't been fair to me either, but I never expected it to be a requirement. And I never thought other people should suffer just because I was suffering
Glad you're still here frriend and thank you for your input. Best wishes
People are different, everybody reacts differently to stressors. A 15 year old doesn't comprehend what killing means, and the complexities of the act.
Especially if he was mental ill, the solution was treatment, not suspending him, threatening him, as I've seen people suggest.
Violence and discrimination brings more forth
That’s a one shoe fits all mindset. (Obviously not saying any of his actions were justified)
But people are different so they react differently like the person above me said
Maybe you should expect it to be a requirement
I’m confused…his attorney entered a “not guilty” plea, when there is clear video evidence he did the shooting. I don’t know anything about the criminal law, so if someone can explain this to me, I would appreciate it. TIA! :-)
Entering a plea of "not guilty" allows for him to have a trial. I believe if you say you are guilty, you waive your rights to a trial.
they want a trial to potentially reduce his punishment. it also gives them the possibility of arguing for mental health being a factor in his crimes
If the parents bought him the gun and encouraged him in any way, they're guilty as the legal guardians of a minor. Especially if he has mental health issues.
How did the people around this kid NOT see this kid was gonna do this???
And his father keeps guns around him???
The father should be charged with negligence!
From what I've heard in other news casts the gun was bought by the dad for the 15 year old as a Christmas present. Both parents are being charged now, as well as their son.
I got my kids guns...not at 15. I keep them disassembled and locked up. Ammo locked up. The problem here will likely be beyond just the security of guns, but as the reporter said.....having a gun means being responsible and accountable.
We had a kid in our school like this who would say we were all gonna die and then we would call him more names to degrade him
It worked 👍
MY SELF So edgy, so irreverent, so badass! Now do islam 👍🏻
@@myself1769 it clearly didn’t work in Oxford.
The school administrators are partial at fault too, they should have done more than just leaving up to the parents.
You could blame the man who sold them the gun or the manufacturer of the bullets.
Nobody is to blame but the person who brought the gun to school and opened fire. It doesn't just happen at school. In this day it could happen anywhere.
@@joanlynch5271' Nobody"? That isn't right here because the father is to blame for buying the gun in the first place. if you don't acknowledge that then how can you hold people accountable for which their actions led to this horrific event? The pictures to which the teacher saw should have been red flags going on. How can you not think about whether from the picture this kid drew potentially could cause this event. I mean don't nobody in the school heard of the previous school shootings and how the person of interest usually reach out for help to get noticed but get ignored this causing their psych to turn on their fellow classmates.
@@joanlynch5271 Why do you think they have school administrators in the first place? That's not a rhetorical question. I really want to know what you think the reason for schools having administrators is. They failed to do their job. Usually when someone fails to do their job, there are repercussions. They made an intial half-assed attempt to address his behavior issues with his parents in an in-person meeting, and when the parents were just like "whatever", the school was just like "ok, yeah whatever, you're right... eff it, go back to class." Seriously???? There is no justifying holding the school 0% liable. That's insane.
@@joshuaneal7552 not zero, partial. Seemingly you are accusing school administrators for ignoring the signs more rather than saying that the ignorant behavior of the parents. Besides how are the school administrators to know that the father bought him a gun. They're not the law to pay down the kid for weapons.
@@joanlynch5271 The father bought the gun. It is not the fault of the gun store or gun maker. The fault is with the parents and the shooter.
A woman that has a child with the suspect's father, stated that the parents always gave him his way and anything he ever wanted. They were aware there was something off about him and he displayed all the classic symptoms of an at risk teenager. The suspect's mother was the one who wore the pants in the family, according to this woman and she encouraged him when he requested a gun for Christmas. And of course days before, she posted pics on her FB page of the two of them at a shooting range together. They also have texts messages from the mother to her son when he had gotten in trouble at school cause a teacher saw him drawing photos that were suggestive of him committing violent acts at school, telling him that she is not mad at him and he just needs to make sure that he doesn't get caught drawing them or with them in his possession, so he doesn't get in trouble. The parents having met with the school officials that morning and declining the school's request that they take him home with them, apparently using the excuse they had to go to work, is just another reason for this already troubled kid, with clearly no responsible adult upbringing, who had reportedly stated he heard voices and had reached the point of even writing notes asking for help, to feel even more rejected by his parents and grow even more angry. The fact that the school did not DEMAND they take him with them and remove him from school property makes them just as liable if you ask me. The parents should have been told, we don't care where you take him so you can go to work but he CANNOT stay here at the school as we have a responsibility toward every person on this property to ensure their safety. If they still failed to take him, police should have been called to escort him off of the school property and to his home or better yet to a hospital for psychiatric evaluation. The fact that they just sent him back to class which resulted in all of this happening, with full knowledge of the danger they were putting every person in that building in cannot be overlooked. Not taking responsibility away from the shooter at all, just saying that I'm glad the parents who were clearly negligent in this situation, in more ways than one, have been charged and I hope to see that school system in court as well, sued for their negligence
Some people don’t deserve an attorney
That's not the way the Constitution and US law works.
Someone, especially his parents, should have gotten him help. It's a devastating tragedy that may have been prevented.
Instead of the parents getting him psychiatric help they got him a gun.
Schools only have counselors; they're not necessarily trained in doing therapy like you'd find with a therapist. PLUS, the parents might not have a lot of money to help their child. Same for schools. It's a vicious cycle
He knew right from wrong
Jail the parents, they knew the kid was nuts
The help they got him was that they bought him the effing gun as a gift.
"Bullying is a zero tolerance"
You'll see those posters at school yet it's still ignored. If you ever see a kid being made fun of, just talk to them. You can become hopeful to them.
It's really not zero tolerance. It's tolerated and encouraged all the time at school and at the homes by the parents.
@@williamryan9195 many are bullied. it's never ok to kill because of it. He had mental issues
@@bingbangbongmukbang3015 You would think that after 100s of these school shootings that the priority would be to stop the cause of them. It starts with lack of respect each and every time,taunting,nasty remarks,down grades and bullying on and off the school yard. We know that is not an excuse for the shootings and we know each and every one of the incidents involves mental illness but the school response is to add more metal detectors, Barbed wire and prayers and thoughts go out to the victims or blame it on the gun. Those are failed responses.
@@bingbangbongmukbang3015 Remember, there wasnt one school shooting during covid lockdowns.That should have been a time to reflect and take full responsibility for making change
@@bingbangbongmukbang3015 Lastly, the victims all knew the shooter and it wasnt random. And the parents probably knew the bad blood was there an encouraged a negative response.
With all the information they had on this young man, why was he EVER permitted to BE in that school building that day!!!!
If you‘re a gun owner and your teenage kid is able to just take it and do things like this, you should face accomplice to every single charge the kid is guilty of.
Sure, the kid might be a screw up, but the parents are the biggest issue here. Absolute nutjobs should have gotten a pet instead.
Same for car keys or kitchen cutlery?
@@evanholley
I hope that the parents will allow their kids to stay home for a while after this tragedy. Going back to school right now isn’t worth it after all that trauma…
Unfortunately parents have to go to work. All those kids can't be left home alone.
lets be real even at home is something is meant to happen to them it will happen, live life as normal dont let this scare you
@@Brucelee89896 I get what you mean, expect the unexpected, but no one should be fearing for their lives at a school. Especially, since it could've easily been avoided had the school and parents done their part.
It's really scary cuase I live near there and most schools were closed for 2-3 days
@@shariwelch8760 not true, the kids were at a high school therefore they can take care of themselves
It seems like this could have been prevented and my heart aches for the families that lost or have loved ones forever changed by this deplorable tragedy.
or stop bullying
It's actually pretty funny if you think about it
@@daniell3235 no guns
It always can be prevented
@@Vincent-ds3kc and like my school. Kid made a bomb.
Or your cool with kids being billed to suicide as long as they don't shoot themselves
The parents getting charges is just dumb
Charge the school officials as well!
If I had a depressed, disturbed teenager living in my home, I most definitely would not have a gun in reach.
His parents bought him that gun for a Christmas gift, how pathetic is that?
So you’re telling me that had a discussion that morning and didn’t send him home or suspend him ? It’s like people, at this point, choose to ignore red flags
Oh and now they’re claiming not guilty. How sad it is to represent such a monster.
HE is Caucasian!
Agreed.
Hmm, there something oddly similar about all these school shooters. What could it be???
@@donal6398 they all use guns?
@@bonitahobbs2097 when there’s a school shooting we already know the suspect is a yt boy
School administrators should be charged
My heart goes out o all those affected by this senseless tragedy.
The parents of this kid needs to be held accountable as well of course. As well as the parents of the kid in Texas and the kid himself that is free to walk around.
Amen
Why? Apparently he is an adult and they are charging him as an adult so why should someone else be punished when he is copping it all?
@@Cornelius456 no he is a 15yo
It still is the parents responsibility to not let a kid like him near a gun and besides, the parents are being charged regardless
You need to be held accountable. I blame you.
You need to be held accountable. I blame you.
After all the shootings that have occurred in schools in the US it‘s troubling that nobody has learned the lesson. When a kid says he will shoot people believe him! This is something that schools should have zero tolerance with and grant an immediate suspension if not expulsion. Authorities should be alerted and the individuals should be evaluated and monitored closely.
@Ezell Broome Please watch this video more about this topic : ua-cam.com/video/hRkiy2Nf9g4/v-deo.html
Yeah, well, if there weren't 393-million guns in this damn country, we would not be having this discussion. BAN HANDGUNS. No one needs them to protect themselves in America.
It has nothing to do with guns. School shootings have tripled from the 70’s and guns were way easier to get back then.
I've threatened people before knowing that I'm never gonna actually do it so no.
@@SAINTxSZN That sounds like a you problem. We need to pay attention to people like this guy BEFORE they actually do something. Unless you're okay with people literally dying so you can threaten to kill people without dealing with the hassle of people looking into your comments to make sure you're not serious.
My heart goes out all the Familes, You all are in my Prayers
Never trust a boy with a unibrow
Adult crime, adult punishment. Also I'm glad that the parents are being held responsible
Why did the dad buy a gun when they already knew their son was having issues? Time to look at mom and dad too.
Yeah and not like they had a gun for a while. He just bought it and didn't even gave it securely locked away. Totally parents fault on that one.
Sounds like charges will be brought against the parents to.
Mom probably won't get shyt. But the dad will cause the gun is in his name and as a gun owner you are responsible to lock and secure it. Which he didn't. When a minor get hold of the gun and killed someone, the gun owner will go to jail for it.
yes, judging by the video they are clueless and mindless
I know. He had disturbing behaviors such as drawing pictures of killing and harming ppl. And so, dad buys guns and not carefully lock it up?? Bad combination.
the attorney pleads not guilty.....what a sick joke.
Parents and his school should be held accountable ! Fire the school administrators , who failed their students !
You can hear the defiance in his voice, he has absolutely no remorse!
His parents abused him with food challenges.
None whatsoever! People love guns, more than they love human life. It's sad. Every year, the same thing.
@@Git2gether2023 liberal idiot comment.
@@Git2gether2023 All would have been alive if the parents hadn't bought a gun.
@@tavspop All would have been alive if the parents hadn't bought a gun.
How can something be so disturbing yet you're allowed to go back to class? That doesn't even make sense
@@AstralAkshay no you clearly didn’t understand what they were talking about. They held a conference the day before the shooting about a different topic that they found alarming then they also held a different conference the day of with the shooters parents that was a totally different topic than the first one and was then allowed back in class which then the shooter opened fire shortly after.
@@dylanbush4461 yeah they said he went to the bathroom and it all started there. 😭
@@dylanbush4461 Yeah they knew this would happen. Weeks before rumors of a shooting happened occurred at the school. Kids didn’t show up because they knew he would “live up to his promise”. They all knew Ethan was gonna shoot up the school so nobody went to school that day. Ethan even had a countdown on his Instagram.
I guess we'll have to wait and find out
@@carzia_speed2235 i live in oakland county as well and someone posted song lyrics about a school shooting as a joke and got suspended for 2 weeks. This is so disgusting. so many warning signs and nothing done
Charged as an adult, treated like an adult in prison
So heartbreaking. 🥺 💔 😔
Aside from the psychotic teenager. Almost EVERYONE’S senselessness caused so much unnecessary death and trauma. His parents are pathetic, the school dropped the ball not suspending or expelling him in the first place. My deepest condolences to those who have lost their lives 💐
If they had expelled him, he would have snuck in. We’re just gunna have to live in a police state. With heavy security at every single school, since there’s nothing else we can do to stop school shootings lol
@@courtney4942 well bottom line is they should’ve took serious precautions to get this “kid” away from innocent people as soon as possible but the damage is already done. I do agree with the security requirements though for the future to come.
@Mike W why does it have to be one or the other
You can clearly see this was a goofy-looking kid my assumption is this was commented on quite often added to poor social skills this is a bully's favorite recipe remember no one likes it when the rabbit has the gun in other words treat people with respect no matter what and you are less likely to be shot by someone fact
That teenage terrorist shouldve been turned to Swiss cheese by the officer who found him first, not arrested, terrorists dont get a trial they eat lead.
This is heartbreaking. This incident could have been prevented but nobody did anything and so many lives are lost. What a tragedy :(
Guns are the problem.
@@redwoodoakrainforest4527 🤣
@@redwoodoakrainforest4527 though i DO agree guns are a major problem in the US and im very much anti-gun thats not the main problem here.
the main problem is our school system and mental health of our youth. too often kid’s and young adults slip through the cracks. tragedies like these wouldn’t happen if we put more effort in education + helping those with mental illness. instead our society, ESPECIALLY our youth is incredibly judgmental towards those struggling.
though guns shouldnt be this accessible, taking them away wouldnt stop this :/ its a much bigger issue and we are doing nothing about it.
@@redwoodoakrainforest4527 what incredible input... ur clearly not retarded, thank you
@@redwoodoakrainforest4527 no. Mental health is. People need to teach their kids not to bully people.
The mom openly admitted it was the kid's Christmas present. The farce of the dad's gun is obscene
The kid was too young to win a gun. It was bought by Dad and legally Dad’s gun
I work in education, high school level. I can say, I see students with behaviors like this all the time. Its so scary to know this.
The piece of evidence that hasn’t been released was that he had a countdown on his instagram account of when it would take place. So yes everything was premeditated, give him the death penalty, or let him serve his time directly in federal prison.
Make it a 3 person cell. Let the so-called adults who armed him serve time right by his side.
@@jeffbaer5851 4 person. Make sure Bubba is there to show them some unwanted romantic attention.
Unfortunately he is not gonna get the death penalty because he is still a minor. He also less likely to get life unless he is trialed as adult. But even so he has to be at least 16-17 for that to happen. He most likely gonna get 30-50 years. And that’s if he even get parole. Luckily he’s dumb enough to trial as not guilty meaning if found guilty his sentence will be more severe and parole is out of the picture.
@@cherrystarfireishere8138 did you actually watch the video?? They literally said he is being charged as an adult.
@@CoolhandLukeSkywalkr Why do you think that prison rape is an acceptable form of justice?
Once again, this was a known event that many students have said they knew this was coming. More than a few students stayed at home out of fear.
Why is that story being covered up
It doesn’t fit the fake news narrative which always aligns with democrat views. They want these stories to be anti gun. It is true the students should have spoken up if they knew. The school should have been informed and closed before this happened.
@@jefftX Today a school here in Tucson is closed because "we have to investigate an online threat of violence". So they're closed today but they'll be open tomorrow. Biggest problem I have with that: if the person making the threats isn't found or they show up on Friday and do their crime then.
It’s not being covered up per se, but not sparking outrage because he’s not a person of color and he didn’t use an AR, which are the respective triggers for the far right and far left to make a big deal out of anything….
Media outlets aren’t going to go the extra mile because there are no hot topic angles to this one; just a horrible tragedy. Prayers to the families.
It’s not being covered up per se, but not sparking outrage because he’s not a person of color and he didn’t use an AR, which are the respective triggers for the far right and far left to make a big deal out of anything….
Media outlets aren’t going to go the extra mile because there are no hot topic angles to this one; just a horrible tragedy. Prayers to the families.
@@jefftX many kids actually said the school was informed and people were very aware. a kid made a video with his classmates in the background saying, “wow hes living up to his word”. they knew and based on his instagram and how he supposedly acted recently, people were worried.
As a parent,you are always responsible for your child's gun use,or misuse. This is the same as your child driving your automobile under your auto insurance. Whatever they do with that car,YOU are responsible, as the household owner of the car or gun,if you are the parent or guardian of the minor involved.
So there was no:
-mental health checks
-safety inspections
-defensive measures
-or situational awareness
at this high-school. And now we have dead kids on our hands and a need to blame someone.
Look no further than yourselves, committee board and parents. You enabled this.
Wait! I know the answer, give the trouble kid a gun!
Guns fix everything!
If parents had any idea how many close calls happen at these public schools, homeschooling would be the norm instead of a fringe movement.
So we become the only nation on earth that can’t master simple education? We devolve to level of Pakistan? Great. How about instead of lowering the standard, we fix the problem? Gun rights come with responsibility. Keep your guns locked away from teens. Don’t sell to kids. When the suppliers face consequences- this will stop. You sold a gun to a minor and he commits a shooting - mandatory 10. You leave loaded weapons around the house and can’t track them and they are used in a shooting? Mandatory 10. Don’t penalize kids by depriving them of a school experience - most kids like the social aspect of school. Don’t penalize responsible gun owners.
@@Galworld761 okay then
@@zo7096 no irony. We are THE ONLY developed country that can’t keep their kids from getting shot up in school. We can’t master the safety component- so rather than fix it - you would rather deprive kids of a quintessential GLOBAL experience. Instead of fix the problem, let’s have parents who can barely spell home school. That should position us well in a technology driven world.
@@Galworld761 i wouldn't blame an entire country you have never been too. As if innocent people don't want to have a normal peaceful life too. you are indeed a fool
@@Galworld761 as in Pakistan
The school failed also. Everyone involved completely dropped the ball.
That seems to be a recurring theme.
Well, the teachers who noticed the red flags actually did a good job but nobody listened to them.
A lot of people and teenagers in general are depressed. Depression doesn’t cause people to get violent, violent people with depression cause the issues. Whether or not he was depressed doesn’t even matter and shouldn’t even be brought up in this case. It’s pure entitlement on his behalf, he wanted to force his misery upon others.
He needs to rot in prison for the rest of his life.
After finding those notes and drawing, why would the school not search his backpack?
Thank you for telling us ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the so-called disturbing behavior smh.
You just have to go on the internet for 10 minutes and you'll find this exact kind of kid on there. Play a few rounds of Call of Duty and listen to kids scream racist names at one another and chant things like "Trump should have deported you!" And other stupid things because they know it's offensive and dumb. Then people call them out for it and alienate them in school and next thing you know they're taking dad's 4 day old gun to school.
@@FUBARguy107 don't lump all trump supporters in with ignorant idiots please
@@syndan9245 they literally didn’t
@@syndan9245 why not?? that's exactly what they are
Yes, big news involving him. But we can't disclose it.
The parents are fully responsible it’s time Parents stop expecting Teachers to babysit their kids, children are in school to get an education. Some parents know they have troubled kids refuse to seek help for them and have some damn nerves to send them to school among innocent children. My heart goes out to the parents who have lost their children to this spoiled rotten troubled kid.
Who thinks arming their kid will solve their social problems?
So the parents are "Fully" responsible?! The kid did the shooting and he's not responsible?!
@Bill Gates While bullying someone is despicable the young man who decided that shooting his fellow classmates was the answer is rotten. There's something wrong with you if you think differently.
@Bill Gates ultimately the one who caused this was the shooter and nobody else.
@@DanBronk I think fully responsible is a bit strong but the parents do bare a good amount of responsibility for not properly securing a gun in a house with an obviously troubled young man. A trigger lock would have been adequate enough to prevent this.
If only people took mental health more seriously, especially in young men. It's like people just ignore the correlation between mental health issue and the tendency to self harm/ to harm others.
It's all the fault of video games.
Nobody ever murdered or did anything bad before the invention of video games.
some crimes just deserve a public stoning
I keep my firarms locked in a lock box , and the closet door had an electronic key pad lock installed. This is a sickening tragedy
Racist
What if someone breaks into your house while you are sleeping, and where is your house?😂
I keep my firearms…nowhere, don’t need them.
They should make thumb or fingerprint openings or maybe eyeball for gun lock boxes. Weed also!
How will you get to your gun quick enough in an emergency?
This is just so messed up and heart goes out to those students and parents.
That won't do anything for them
@@adamantium4797 what will?
My heart goes out to the victims and thier families. But it also goes out to Ethan, this poor boy obviouy had alot of mental health problems, and everyone failed him.
I have it in me to feel compassion and empathy for a young boy that was screaming out for help.
Noone helped him, and now they will railroad him into prison for the the
next 30-50 years. And nothing will be done to help.his mental health
problems, because the system only
wants to punish and hurt the defendants in the United States.
They don't give a damn if they are
a young offender, have mental health issues or a disability. They only want to make them pay for thier crime out of vindictiveness.
It's very sad.
I am so grateful I live in Canada and not in the United States.
@@gailobright8070 i get where your coming from. Unfortunately most people are gonna look at him as a monster and want him either facing the death penalty or locked up for life and throw away the key. I don't even just mean this one situation but most situations like this is based on people's actions and them not being able to handle it the right way. Now nobody is saying he should not be punished and face the consequences. It is just more about an understanding of how things got to the point of where they are. That is what most psychologists think anyways. That boy should have gotten help and i do put a lot of this on the parents. Their actions since the incident leaves me to believe they could care less for their own child.
@@johnnyjets2343 It's very sad, this poor boy is not a Monster he has obvious mental health problems.
He needs to go to a Mental Health Facility and get the help he desperately needs.
Why tf did they send him back to class?? We’re the drawings and ammunition on his phone not concerning enough?? Honestly it’s sad to think that this would’ve never happened If their parents weren’t stupid enough to buy their 15 year old a gun. 😒
When are schools going to have metal detectors? Why is it only in poverty areas that they have metal detectors 🤦🏻♂️ A gun ain’t biased on who brings one !
If you are a parent and see the warning signs or a staff member sees the signs, all schools should have a mandatory online cirruclum the student must do instead of in person that these troubled kids must do until they get proper help.
Great idea genius...i'm sure that system wouldn't be abused at all...
@@SN00PICUS it’s worked well in previous years
Good idea. The child should also get mandatory daily counseling, and social services for the family, to look into problems at home, including guns there, bc the kid can go to the school even if expelled and do this.
I know it is hard but I think oftentimes parents are in denial and dont want to face it...so they shrug it off. In this case, they went and bought a gun. Parents, you gotta think to protect your child...and others. Your life goes upside down in a second.
How many times does this have to be said. Parents talk to uour kids. Watch for signs etc. Obviously these kids know how to hid and manipulate feelings. Mental health professionals speak up
School and district administrators DROPPED THE BALL, not the kids or the teachers. No one should be able to step foot in the school with a weapon
But they setup and had a meeting with the parents hours before. The parents knew he had access to their gun. What else could the school have done? Kick him out? Are you proposing metal detections and airport type security of people going into the building?
Wrong. Parents dropped the ball by letting their troubled child have access to guns. Society dropped the ball by not having gun control laws. The shooter hid the gun from administrators. They can't stop that.
@@os2958 Last I checked 17 year olds arent allowed guns and this is Democratic Michigan. So what gun control laws are apparently not there?
Joe Biden was hiding in the bathroom stall and handed him that weapon
@@osvaldorubalcava9721 good god child. Grow up.
The school should be charged with criminal negligence
I couldn’t be more proud of that young man
Goes to show you we need free mental health care in the country. Mental health is real anyone can snap
Mental health care is still comically bad, even for the few who can pay for it.
"...and he was allowed to go back to class." Well, that means that some administrators need to be fired and tried as well.
His parents as well but i guess it doesn't work like that
My mom is an elementary school teacher. We were seriously disappointed in their public school system.
Why do i have a sneeking suspison that this case is going to be used as an example on why the U.S. shouldnt have the 2nd amendment anymore....
The parents should be in court sitting right next to their son.
1. Quit bullying
2. Prevent bullying
3. Listen
His father purchased the weapon, didn't secure the weapon and allowed this person who they knew had issues access to this handgun. Why are they not being charged as an accessory or actually charged with murder?
I say this all the time. Why is it that parents are held responsible for if kids are drinking alcohol underage in their homes but not held accountable for properly securing a deadly weapon?
Sorry the police don't investigate at warp speed for you.
They may still!!
I wonder what the cute ded girls f@rts smelled like oooooh!!
@@hanssans3040 What a creep!!!
I wonder if he was bullied? and just decided, enough is enough, that's why I never bullied anyone in class.
What the hell does his attorney think is gonna happen with this not guilty plea, there's literal video of the shooting
And once again the failure of adults to do the right thing and all the talk about proper procedures only to not act on them. Smh
My heart felt condolences to the families of the kids who have died and best wishes for speedy recoveries for the wounded. Also lets not forget the entire community. Prayers for all of you. Now they need to find the reason why this happened.
Too easy to get a gun is the problem.
@@redwoodoakrainforest4527 agreed. I know I’d feel a whole lot better if he used a vehicle instead of a gun.
@@redwoodoakrainforest4527 wrong again
What's really disturbing is this ua-cam.com/video/o8FmNv-7J9s/v-deo.html
@@mrmorrison8712 Yes. Because the walls of the building would have stopped a vehicle.
What a Karen. Charging the parents despite knowing the charges will be thrown out. Ridiculous.
The school, his parents should be held accountable for his actions along with him if schools would take mental health seriously and hire a certified therapist instead of a so-called" counselor" Who have little to no time to bother with our issues then maybe those kids who were killed would be here today. We are in an era where having dark thoughts doesn't brand you crazy on site. The school system continues to prove every day how horrible it is. This may not be 100% the case here but take the advice