Ethan Crumbley: "I'm going to be the next school shooter"
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2023
- Ethan Crumbley recorded a video of himself the day before the Oxford High School shooting where he detailed his plans to shoot up the school.
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As much as I hate to say it. This kid needed help. If his parents stepped in earlier, almost guaranteed this wouldn’t have happened. I hope he finds peace, truly.
Why do you hate to say it? Sigh...we can't prevent people from having children...😔
He did need help! Wow. How can a parent tell their kid to sleep outside bc he's having hallucinations.
@@coralieg1947 THEY WERE HORRIBLE PARENTS!!!!!!! I know that's no excuse for murder. AND I fervently believe these deaths were totally preventable and the parents' behavior makes me see red -- and be heartbroken for these kids, too - and Ethan as well--- -- this is a tragedy
I doubt it. This kid couldn't of been saved. He is nuts
@@brentgroenhuizen617 well, he committed murder. He can have the chance behind bars to improve himself.
Wish his parents would have started when he was about 18 months old. Plus, riding horses and shoveling s*** (my friend owns horses an that's what she calls it,) would have been SOO GOOD FOR HIM. So would have skiing. These parents 👎👎👎👎
I’m so glad his parents were also charged
Don't be arbitrary, all criminal's parents then should be charged with them. Or is that logic flawed? Instead of admitting you don't understand how someone can be BORN without a conscience and it's beyond your sensibilities. Surely there's a reason you tell yourself, but that logic doesn't really pan out and the truth is far more horrible and terrible than you care to know, true evil exists, nothing CAUSES it. Some people are BORN without a conscience socioeconomic class, gender and race don't matter and scarier still they "seem" normal, and it can't be prevented- they are what psychology deems psychopaths.
I would think the School Dean and Personal were more culpable and especially guilty with having all the information and neglecting to inform the parents until the of this horrific incident!
@@gward9131 bingo! That's just the hard cold facts. People are quick to blame parents. There are kids who come from great homes and do horrible things. Parents shape a child obviously, but the world has a much more powerful effect. He speaks of things that his parents had no control over. We are seeing this mentality speak across the planet. This boy didn't want to do hard thing and it gave him inferior complex.
@@gward9131They definitely did not have as much information as the parent's! They didn't ignore the info they had, the parent's did! They also informed parent's, Mom definitely doesn't want to deal with it, gives the teen Xanax & booze & ignores the many red flags & cries for help!
Ethan was caught watching gun videos , drawing pictures of guns and they thought keeping him in school that day was the best option?! They also need to held accountable. Their decision to allow him to stay in school cost the lives of four innocent children. No disciplinary actions? Are you freaking kidding me?!?! Guns are not toys and if a child is sitting in class drawing pictures and writing “blood everywhere “ he or she should be removed IMMEDIATELY and admitted to a facility for psychiatric evaluation and treatment THAT VERY DAY!! I do not understand how they could just disregard what was painfully obvious. This senseless tragedy could have been avoided had they taken this more seriously. God bless the souls of those children. Forgive Ethan.
It's sad and pitiful that his so-called parents decided to solve his mental health issues by giving him a gun. Earlier intervention just may have been able to save him. But no chance of that now.
Not to mention the murdered people.
You are so right about that!
YES
Pray, tell what therapy can restore the conscience of someone born without one?
It is not him that had no conscience! The final plea he had a chance! He was screaming so loud! And his parents got up & walked away! That was huge in this final act!
We finally get to see what dark thoughts he had in his mind. His parents failed him so much.
Parents 20% society 15% friends 15% himself 50%
@wifix3822 I agree 100% all the way. There's blame everywhere peroid.
Most parents fail their kids in one way or another growing up...BUT THEY DONT KILL
he failed life. ROT
@@wifix3822friends? Is this the kind of person you would want your kid to hang with?
I wish Ethan would have used his intelligence on doing good. He needed help.
He’s not intelligent. I taught high school. This is not what an intelligent high school kid sounds like.
This is, however, exactly what a malignant narcissist sounds like!
He’s definitely not intelligent but I know what you mean it’s a sad situation
@@yearoldcoffee1715 how so? he searched on google the consequences of the action. he searched to see if the state has the death penalty. searched for the maximum punishment he could get, searched for an example of a school shooter sentencing. that too me sounds he was intelligent. how many murderess search what the consequences of their crime is?
@@yearoldcoffee1715 no this is what a mentally ill depressed person sounds like. Intelligence doesnt mean someone wont grow to hate people. What kind of naive educator are you to think it does.
@@yearoldcoffee1715 i would agree that he isnt particularly intelligent, im not saying hes retarded, but honestly he is no genius based off of some of his statements.
The problem is that most with mental health issues are not required to get mental health care despite obviously needing it. This is part of a greater systemic problem. The parents still could have tried.
In the US, the law varies state by state. In CA, those under 18, living under a parents care, can be forced to get psychiatric treatment under parent discretion. But in Michigan I did see that it’s a bit different. They have what’s called Rights of Minors. I wish Ethan would have known that he could seek this at his school.
If you are a minor, 14 years of age or older (between 14 and 17), you have the right to ask for, and receive, outpatient mental health services (not including psychotropic medication or pregnancy termination referral services) without the consent or knowledge of your parent or guardian.
@@utubegirl00 I don't think Ethan would have just gone to someone at school and told them his thoughts. He's obviously just a evil kid. It's just random really some kids brains are built that way or they grow up and circumstances create the evil person. At the end of the day, mental health help is usually a complete joke. We can't talk people out of their problems, the meds they try to give you either don't work or destroy your life and there really is no answer for some people. There's not a cure for everything.
I think its VERY important that we hear his words. Disillusioned in the deepest way...sadly terrifying. My heart breaks for his victims & their families. I believe this could hve been prevented on so many levels leading up to this. So damn tragic.
Prevented how? This nut would have found a way no matter what. He’s a monster!
LOLLL…not mentally ill not depressed huh? He’s doing it cause people are dunces?? Yeah, blame the parents…what knuckleheads who say different. He’s a monster.
Thanks for your written worden...Greets from germany
Words i want to say..sorry for my bad english
Breaks for a murderous monster?? Where were his cries for help with the gun in the backpack and he lied about what he was drawing on that paper. You give a murderer a pass. Sickening.
Dear Ethan, there are a lot of people who are "wasting" their lives doing jobs they don't want to do. They don't go and kill people. They try to be grateful and patient that maybe something better will come along, a better job, a better life. It's called having hope. Maybe that is what you were missing -- hope.
Not you being sympathetic.
@@Ryan-mf2rg That kid needed help a long time ago, and sympathy a long time ago -- not sympathy from me, someone he doesn't even know, but sympathy from the community. It takes a village. All the teachers, friends, family members, etc. perhaps could have made a difference, but maybe not. Who knows? He sounds like he felt hopeless.
@@vickijohnson9704 Why the hell even try to help at this point?
@@Ryan-mf2rgWhy not. God would want as many soles saved as possible.
@@naomivantonder1161 Then why did he let this happen?
Him & the school where absolutely screaming help your son! And these parents weren't listening & hearing! They only were thinking about there own lives! A huge part of why this young man was in so much torment! So very sad!
That pathetic school couldn't do much with parents like his..I know these thoughts..in my deepest conversations with self..I sounded like this..thank God my goals got straight..no meds..a lil self help stuff..I decided to go into psychology...to help me and others like me
I thought the school did a great job because they noticed what he was drawing on his paper. These teachers have 30 students in a room 1400 students. The ratio is so high, but the teachers kept noticing him sleeping all day, which is a sign of depression, and then his grades falling another sign. There’s so many signs there’s seven signs of depression that every parent and teacher should know. If the teachers noticed it, the parents should’ve noticed it.
The school was not screaming "help your son". They gave the parents a choice of whether they leave the kid at school or take him home and the kid said he wanted to stay and the parents let him they never thought he would have shot up the school. No parent ever even considers that as a possibility that their kid might do something like that. If anything it's on the school because no parent would ever predict their kid would do something so horrible. The school could have forced them to take Ethan home or suspended him but no they let him go back to class as well. At the end of the day, looking to blame someone else isn't gonna change what happened and the parents obviously aren't evil and didn't want to kill anyone. They might be bad parents but there's been so many kids with horrible parents or no parents at all that grew up to be good people or at least not evil people. There is only one person we can blame and that's Ethan. He is the evil one who chose to plan and carry out the act.
@@bellavita3097 The teacher did a good job but the other staff at the school didn't they should have sent him home. They didn't tell the parents to take him home either they just asked them if they would like to.
Well, he figured out a way to never have to work a day in his life.
💯
Some prisons you do have to work. For like $1.12 an hour
They should all have to work to pay for their room & food.
Assuming he gets life??
@@pixiemom81Are you living in 2021? The trial ended a long time ago
This is one lost little boy who’s dad never spent time on turning into a man
Maybe but that dont turn him into a killer evil lurks within....
From what I’ve seen he was trying to. His poor me life sucks attitude is prevalent among his age group. Why should I have to work to live.
And whose Mom never bothered to truly love & bond with!
Sadly, mental illness has nothing to do with bonding. It’s an illness it’s a disease like heart disease like diabetes this boy was let down so many times he should’ve been under psychiatric care and medication and cognitive therapy to prevent this horrific situation.
Why isn't anyone talking about his mom being on the spectrum and out of touch with emotions? No excuse, but autism is real.
This is almost like some Law ABiding Citizen sh*t. This kid is actually extremely smart. Unfortunately, not one adult paid attention. He was right. They’re all brainwashed. Someone should have stopped them. Someone who was actually paying attention and actually cared about the well-being of students would have stopped him. Everyone failed this kid. The sad thing is he knew they would. It’s so sad he felt this was the only way to teach people a lesson….it’s so sad that no one encouraged him he had so much more to offer the world than this. I’m sorry for all the victims and their families, and I’m sorry for Ethan. One person who cared about this kid had the power to prevent this…I truly believe that. Unfortunately, no one did.
So well said. Thank you.
No.
He failed him self people have way worst things going on in life they don’t go out and shoot others because of what they think is a crappy life…and he lives in the suburbs life can’t be that tough for him
Sounds like he’s just an entitled kid who cries when things don’t go his way
Perfectly stated. Thank you.
So he’s basically disenchanted with life (like a lot of kids) & murder seemed to be the answer? My thoughts & prayers go out to the victims families.
Murder was the answer because he is mentally sick. It's my guess that he has had many talks like this with himself.... Just contemplating life as he saw it....Way too much alone time on his hands, eventually coming up with this homicide idea. Who knows how many years it was developing in his mind. His parents suck so bad.
@peanut924 I remember being left alone too much as a kid and u started to destroy my own property... burning things.. dragging nails though objects. . Boredom.
Internet was basically not existing back then... but lord oh mighty... had I had unfettered access to today's internet in that state of loneliness and bordome.... I would have become so so so much more destructive to my environment... myself and maybe? ? Others? Who knows....
Thankfully I was able to find a small group of friends to spend time with who gave me some joy... some positive memories someone to chat with.
Kids today don't play outside. They have no one. They are by themselves. Raised by...... the internet
I weap for the fucking future.
And these kids are going to be the ones taking care of geriatric melinials and xers when we are incapacitated
Lord help us.
Thank you both for making those comments. There's hope for humanity yet. ❤
@@sarahshanahan2222They will be doing anything but caring for us
That would be due to our society's obsession and worship of fame/notoriety, and the media giving these psychos exactly that making them household names.
He wanted to choose someone else’ children lives… he could of taken his life , if he was so depressed. Not innocent people .he is coward 😡
He would be equally a coward for *taking (*edit: 5aking) his own life. Life is a precious gift from GOD. Any unjustified death is an affront to GOD.
Indeed he knew what he was doing but played the mental health game .🤬
@@zachbase1124 it ain't that precious, Christians need to learn to keep their silly God to themselves. Y'all are the primary reason these monsters exist.
Why would he when he hated everyone else at the school
Nahh why take his own life the children just happen to be there oh well
Sounds like this guy never a proper conversation with his parents and was left isolated to have too much time to think and act out his fantasy which his parents are responsible for by buying him a gun to carry it out this atrocious tragic event.
Yes, I feel that his parents totally denied him any help or any love. They certainly did not help him with his vocabulary !! Very Sad for All.
Oh to be 15 & think you have the world all figure out.. no idea how little you actually understand. Smh. Those kids lost their lives so he could prove a point.
i was so happy at 15 looking forward to being adult and driving, going to the clubs, dating etc
Dont you have to be 21 to go to clubs?@@christineanderson487
Ur so fine 😘😘😘😘
Ethan said, and I quote, “I always hoped there was something out there for me; something to give me a happy, loving, caring life.”
I spend every day with my daughter (14 years old). After school, we sit down together and do homework, we watch movies, we play Mario Kart, etc. But more importantly, we also discuss her goals, her dreams, and her ideas. We talk about philosophy, she asks questions, and I provide answers. She believes she has the smartest dad in the world, and I don’t correct her and admit that I’m far from it.
My daughter doesn’t have many friends in high school, and she’s known as the “nerdy” girl to her classmates. I can say with 100% certainty that my child is loved, cared for, and most importantly happy.
As a parent, it is our primary responsibility to raise our children and provide them with love, care, stability, and most importantly *guidance* . After watching hours upon hours of this mother’s trial, it’s abundantly clear that she had higher priorities than taking care of her son.
This boy’s parents failed him. They should be held accountable for the atrocities their child committed against their community.
That quote from Ethan was so revealing. Why was he looking for an external solution to an internal problem. Happiness isn’t in the purchase of a video game or fancy clothes or jewelry. It’s from knowing you were chosen to be here and realizing what a gift it is to be healthy. Maybe society failed him?
Thank you, Sir for being an AWESOME father❣️ My father raised me as a single parent and he is my HERO!!! I am 58 and he is 94. I’m still a daddy’s girl. The role you are playing in your daughter’s life is invaluable!!! You’re making an indelible mark on her Soul!!!
♥️❤️♥️
Yes parents can absolutely destroy their children lives and minds. It is horrible, so many terrible parents
Applause for you for being in your daughters life she’s very fortunate for that because it seems that more than half of American families in this United States are coming from broken homes, but Ethan’s case I feel like I have a teenage son I really can relate to this whole thing because I think about how it was when he was that age and I would try to reach out to him and connect with him but you know he was online playing his games doing things like that and really at 15-16 yr old teenager doesn’t really want to sit and talk with his mom they consider parents to be like people that just don’t ” get it”, but you have a daughter that’s willing to sit there every day and talk with you and you have the time and you’re not having to work that is very much beneficial for your situation but unfortunately, there’s a lot of parents out there that have to work full-time and just don’t have that time to sit and get into their kids heads like that.. and even if they try, chances are the kids aren’t gonna open up to you like they would to friends specially about something this serious.. I guarantee those parents are going to regret a lot of things from this point on in their lives but I do also know there’s a lot of Ethan’s in this world that are going through the same thing. Maybe they have parents that have to work just to keep a roof over their head and they can’t be there for their kids like they wanna be I’m not saying that these parents didn’t fail Ethan in every way, but moving forward after hearing his testimony, when he spoke to the judge when they were giving him sentencing, it literally put me in tears cause I feel like at that age their brains aren’t fully developed and they can still change. There is a chance of changing when they’re that young and I feel like his whole life is ruined. He wasted it... he obviously got his information online and after so long of constantly seen the negativity in this world. This is what came of it.. and I want to know that I do feel extreme remorse for the children that were killed that day and by me feeling bad for Ethan doesn’t say that I feel what he did was right. I just wanted to make sure everyone knows that as well
My dad was someone who worked 50-60 hour weeks steadily through my childhood yet always made time for us every night after work, to have dinner with us and to play with my brothers and I, help with homework, and have one on one time with us driving us to different functions or playing with us. He never missed a single function, he was always there to support us. We lost him to cancer in the fall, and he was only 64, my heart is completely broken and I don't know how I am making it through honestly. I have had a hard life of dealing with different tragedies and making mistakes, but my Dad being in my life and being so caring and nurturing to me all my life, that no doubt is why I am a decent person. A loving, caring person with a moral compass, self esteem, and hope. That love and consistent effort is how we got here. I would have done anything at all to save him. That bond between parent and child is so real and so powerful. How you are raised has everything to do with the person you become. People will try to say that this kids parents were busy working, that they tried their best. I think people who feel insecure about their own hands-off approach or negligence with parenting get upset about this case and what it says about parenting. I think this trial is calling out a lot of people, the idea that parents can be held responsible for the actions of their teen is hard for a lot of people to sit with. But we can all see this kid was desperate for love and care yet had two parents in his life, so obviously that says something about their home life. Dad was working and lazy, and Mom was lazy and working and also busy screwing people outside of the marriage. These poor victims and their families, they were robbed of everything good, their families ripped apart, because of the Crumbley family's chaos and lack of love. Those kids who were killed, each of their parents will never get over this. It will hurt forever. The bond between parent and child is so strong. Ethan did this because he had no idea what that felt like, that he could take it for granted.
What a "working class" family, owning a horse. : / He is saying all this political stuff and trying to sound smart because he is too scared to say the real cause of his anger and hopelessness, which is that his parents don't love seem to him. His mom told the school she couldn't bring him home the day of the shooting because she couldn't take a day off work, but told her boyfriend same day she could make time to meet up with him. nasty
And you’ve become a mind reader and psychiatrist huh? He’s EVIL and a MONSTER..his parents had nothing to do with it. No love? Mom sole breadwinner? Pumpkin carving, vacations, anything he wanted…spoiled little monster and now people like you have vilified the parents. SAD!! This audio doesn’t blame parents but blames life…he’s evil.
The mom had 2 horses and yes, owning horses is for working class people too. It just depends on how one choices to spend their money. This is coming from someone who has had multiple horses at once.
@@michellenainkristinabusch1221 maybe we have different definitions of working class, but my point was any extra money or time they had after working/paying bills was spent on horses and their own interests instead of caring for the son. Like neglect hurts less if your parents are working 2-3 jobs and exhausted, one can rationize they don't have money/time to do much of anything else with/for you and would be better parents if they had better work/life balance. But that wasn't really the case w the Crumbleys, who were willfully neglectful
@@michellenainkristinabusch1221 the mom testified she spent 20k a year on those horses, so it definitely depends on how you define “working class”
I am watching the mom's trial now and I truly believe that they could have prevented this. Not sure where he got this impression of the world but he clearly needed to have someone to talk to about this. I gotta wonder if he found out about his mom's affair and that's what brought on all of this anger.
They could have prevented this and she just so nonchalant about it it's just sad
They said he was upset because one of his good friends moved and he didn't have many good friends😢😢
Withheld love by his mom and dad.
He knew he was being ignored
I think his father was pitiful in his involvement with his family. His mother denied some of the things Ethan said regarding his mother's treatment of him. Maybe his mother's poor treatment started when she started having the affair.
1929 stock market crash, the civil rights movement, WW1&2, etc, 1920 - 1980 was not the golden years kid. Life is nothing but A struggle through time and space, no matter when or where. It will be too late when he realizes how good he had it to be born in America instead of like North Korea...
A lot of what he's saying isn't wrong. He's very intelligent. He had a chance and, instead, his mom gave him a gun.
you are right, I think a lot of kids are thinking this same thing, just hope they get the help if needed.
I can’t imagine a kid this prolific a speaker not spiting off to his parents with this manifesto.
Oops ‘spouting off’ to his parents
He needed Jesus, the One Who gives true hope. The state of hopelessness among young people is alarming. Schools need to let prayer and Bible reading back in and this will kick violence and hateful thoughts out.
@@journalplant8490 🤣
Alot of people seem to think mental illness makes u do bad things... no some evil people also have mental illness...there's a big difference...
YES! THIS!
Bingo.
I do believe there's a difference between being evil and being mentally ill. I believe a person can be both as well. I take into account his parents who were awful neglecting their mentally ill son who eventually turned his pain outward. But also he was evil because he wanted to take others lives and he wanted to live himself! Not fair as fair goes.
Mental illness makes you do bad things. It’s absurd to think everyone acts the same when mentally ill. This is a child and his parents are responsible for this destruction . All you have to do to see that mental illness makes you do bad things is look at all the parents raising children who hurt others . It is their mental illness that then affects their child and later others .
Dear Ethan I hope u get the help u need or an hero yourself the school failed u and society failed u the world is getting what it wants
What a miserable soul, with such a lack of direction and appreciation of life. He just fell into victimization and blamed the world for his misery.
Could you elaborate on the victimization part? Is it a psychological condition?
It's just another way to not blame guns and the nra for this shit
Cause the world is misery itself
This is the most sensible comment I've read on this subject. The guy is self-obsessed and a misery alright. Things in this world aren't perfect or even fair, most of us recognise that, but that doesn't absolve you of responsibility. What about making a contribution to society instead of whinging on? Or what about putting a bullet through his own head instead of doing what he did?
That's exactl what I got out of it, he's saying how he is miserable and wants company
Ethan is a intelligent young man who has some mental problems, but he is not insane. Even if you accept his views on life and humanity, his actions won't and didn't change anything. He only succeeded in ending his own life.
Well, he also ended four other lives as well? Are we just gonna forget about that?
Oh no he has major problems
@@patrickmanway290he didn’t succeed in his goal though. The death was just a catalyst for his words and hatred to be spread and validated but in reality people will get on with their lives as they always have besides some insignificant amount. He failed. He only succeeded in destroying his life’s true potential. He didn’t allow himself the time and effort to grow. It’s a tragic story that honestly I think most people need to hear.
@@drinkswatere Do the parents of those murdered get to go on with their lives?
@@patrickmanway290 you are completely missing the point.
Immediately, when the camera pans down to the accused, I thought - Yup, that is what a school shooter looks like.
Shooters have all sorts of looks
@jfraserfisher shooters have all sorts of looks, yeah, sure dude. School shooter look, mall shooter look, hiding in the trunk of a car with a long rifle look, corner store shooter look, stop light car jacking shooter look, crazed alley cardboard home shooter look, you see there are multiple shooter looks. This one is how school shooters look. Same look as the boys in Columbine on the 20th of April, 2001. Or you could look back to Springfield, Oregon, prior to that. Same look. Look at the woman who shot up that Christian school here recently, SAME MOFUCKING LOOK DOG.
Totally agree with you!
Cowardly
@@jfraserfisherwell, this is one of their looks.
I am GenX. Something has changed in our society and access to guns is NOT what has changed. I grew up in a town that had this same "gun culture". I got my first gun for Christmas when I was 9. I stored the gun and the ammo in my bedroom. By the time I was in HS I had multiple guns, including the loaded handgun I kept in my car that I drove to school everyday. Many of my classmates did the same. We were taught gun safety from an early age. We didn't have school councilors. I didn't have a good home life. I was THE kid everyone picked on growing up. It never entered my mind that shooting up the school was even an option. It never entered the mind of any of my friends who had full access to guns and ammo. Point is, something has changed in our society and access to guns is not it.
@@TraceyMacDonald- That and female comedians!
Americans don’t understand it’s the only developed nation with this level of gun violence. Americans are the largest proportion of gun ownership per capita globally.
The internet is global.
The NRA has done a great job lobbying (aka paying) politicians and hamming up reasons for ownership.
Im glad to live in a country where the leading cause of death in children is not gun violence. Im glad students don’t need to practice active shooter drills. Im glad access to guns is difficult. More lives are saved. Citizens aren’t scared of their fellow man.
Americans & their guns are batshit crazy.
You never went thru this despair n hoplessness..it's so hard at this age..I tried suicide 3x..nobody knew..he just got into the revenge part..I never did...I took it all out on me..doesn't make him evil..makes him desperately sick of it all.
@@sicilyny5375 Please don't tell me what I went though. You have no idea.
Different times now!!!
His parents in this case should be held accountable also
Amazing the arrogance of this kid. He thinks he needed to teach us a lesson - as if he gets to choose for us. Stripping away our choice as he whines about us being brainwashed
He's a kid.
You know what they say, "if the child is not embraced by the village they will burn it down to feel it's warmth...
It is important to learn what we can to try to prevent this from happening in the future..
Every behavior follows a need, if we can understand the need we can figure out how to provide that for others in similar situations, right,,? That's how we grow and become a better society by learning from our failures
Narcissism may just run in the family!
It just goes to show he was not wired right. No sane person would utter such things. The school should have made an executive decision to bypass their standard methods of handling these situations, searched his backpack as a preventative measure instead of being so flippant and sending him back to class. That would have saved the lives of those four children that day. Why they just ignored his drawings, and him saying “blood everywhere” is beyond comprehension. Additionally, his parents should have insisted he get counselling outside of the school to address his depression. He was 15, and yes he planned this whole thing, but I believe something could have been done earlier to avoid all of this.
A very common trait with Borderline Personality Disorder and others.
This whole thing is just so sad. When I was 15, I never had thoughts of killing people, but I was very confused and angry. His parents and the school system totally let this kid down.
"kid"
Oh yeah, the school and teachers are responsible for everybody's everything - actually, their main job is to teach and that's hard enough.
He is stupid he thought his future was gonna suck before? Now his future is gonna be far worse
@@AnaisEngland it is also their job to guide. Look for anything out of the norm etc. Seek professional help to those in need. Also why teachers are so underpaid.
Exactly school and parents failed him
Wow what a twisted dark way of thinking. He definitely needs help.
Seeing the lawyer keeping her mind occupied by fiddling thru papers is insain
Exactly !!!!!
Shes doing her job dumbo!
*insane
Well shes a lawyer, what should she do?
@@Izaiahdokpa at that moment she should be focus on her client and the courts not the papers lol
Ethan's lawyer pretending to shuffle through those paper so she wouldn't show any "Raw" emotion while the video was being played is a brilliant lawyer tactic... It couldn't have been easy listening to that video and not display any emotion that will harm your clients case.
Exactly!!!!!!!
It she was looking for something
Not you defending it.
@@Ryan-mf2rg I mean hey he just needs love
@@user-sd2jb9jl3l I'd like you to say that about every other serial killer.
Another very disturbing kid who turns to killing people as a way to bolster his dillusins
Illusions, jesus man think before you speak.
Think he meant "delusions".
I find it very bizzare that they bought him a gun when they knew he had issues, what kind of parents are they, this boy was suffering mental health and his parents failed him big time, they just turned a blind eye, the other issue he says he was bullied at school and no one seem to notice or do something, frm the look of it he thought the only way to be free was for him to commit crime and go to jail, this case is really a reminder that parents and teatches should always take note of any signs in student/ children, and report to the relevant aurthories.😳😳😳😳
Very well said and that is why the parents are charged too. As it should be!
I believe that these parents, as drunk and stoned as they were most of the time and as selfish as they are, probably hoped he would off himself with the gun they got him. Then they could be free of him and his troubles. They never thought he might use it on others. That's my opinion after following this tragedy since it happened.
The parents are busy too busy playing Cowboys and Indians the horse that they were renting and spending every day all day with the horse instead of spending time with their son
yeh the parents are both in prison. im on day 4 of moms trial. this wills be a precedent ruling@@peanut924
I can understand his thoughts in society it does go like this
Born
Education
Work until retirement at a job most people hate
If you lucky you’re not too sick to enjoy retirement
Than die
That is our circle of life unfortunately in today’s society no time to enjoy even the simple things in life
But what I can’t understand is what is the point or benefit of killing innocent people how is that going to change society?????
Doesn’t give you the right to kill innocent kids!!!!!!!!
Because he's too 🐌 slow to have the audacity to learn how to make change in society, he was a self little turd he could've just off himself.
@@Crush0819 who says those kids are innocent???
@vice2versa bruv you gonna act equally delusional as that psycho?
Exactly, that's where he lost me!
Ethan is sick
Ethan is so deeply depressed he needed so much help and nobody even knew. Maybe his friend who was sent to a mental hospital.
Anyone know where his friend is during this whole trial? I was just curious why they never put him on the stand.?
What's sad to me are the comments people have posted about wondering why others feel sorry for him. How is a child who was neglected, had an attachment disorder, suffered from depression& anxiety, and felt the only way to feel anything&be remembered by people was to kill his peers not sad? He asked his parents to get him help and they didn't, how is this not sad? His teachers knew he needed help and there wasn't more done by the school where he spent at least fifty percent of his weekly awake hours developing and learning, how is this not sad? What's sad to me are the people who still don't want to accept that we have a gun issue in the USA. How many non-gun school killings can you think of compared to school gun killings? Wake up, USA-we are failing our children when we fail to recognize and act upon their need for help and to keep them safe. As a child social-emotional development evaluator for the past fifteen years, I see kids seeking healthy positive relationships with their parents/guardians all the time! From the time children are born we should be talking to them, listening to them, emotionally engaging with them, and being positive role models. Obviously no one is perfect and this is okay because you could be a positive role model even when you are having a bad day such as by taking a walk, modeling deep breathing, talking to a friend...children are always watching even when they appear not to be and will see this as utilizing healthy outlets. Ethan is not evil, he is not insane, he is experiencing everything in the second sentence and to explain what this can do to a child's brain from a psychological stand point would take a lot more time. Did he make a deadly life impacting choice that affected himself and several others? Obviously. Is it sad that he killed his peers? Of course...fly high beautiful angels and peace &prayers to your families. What we could gain from this is to stop being highly concentrated on reacting and be more proactive. Pay attention to children. Your smile might be the only smile they receive today. Say hello to them and ask them how they are doing. Don't bully children. Think about what you are going to say before you say it. Apologize to children when it's necessary just like you would an adult. Instead of abusing your child when they've made a mistake- use the situation as a learning opportunity.....they made a mistake, how can learn from their mistake? Ask the child what they could have done differently. Keep the line of communication open. These are the four parenting styles: permissive, authoritative, neglectful, and authoritarian...are you an authoritative parent? If not, which parenting style do you most associate with any how could you improve? We can as a whole help improve the lives of children with a conscious dedicated effort. Peace and love to all of you.
His parents destroyed him, and led him to complete despair and severe loneliness. High anxiety. I can't even imagine how much they ignored this child every minute of every day. Finally the parents are being called out in killings.
He knew that audio would be found and played he’s enjoying every bit of this. The attention, who do you think he made this long recording for the night before he executes his plan. The parents of the murdered children have to live w him getting all this attention while their children are forgotten, tate, Hana, Juliana, Madisyn, and Justin . His parents getting called to the school that morning wow “ im going to have so much fun tomorrow” just evil!
I don't think so
its a cry for help , maybe he hoped his parents would find it but they were too busy ignoring him
@@StellaKnights this entire situation didn't even have to happen 🥺
He hasn’t raised his head one time…. I think you might want to look into body language. Bryan Kohberhger loves it. This boy seems regretful to me. It’s almost like he was convinced he was saving these kids from a life as pain…. As twisted as it is…..
I think he wouldn't sit at school making drawings if he knew he could get caught unless you're right all of it was crys for help
Mid-life crisis at 15.
Hearing this is just heartbreaking. As adults we forget that children,teenagers especially, are essentially going through existential crises throughout those years, to figure out who they are, the realization that the world is not what they thought it was, and how to find happiness. They are lost, trying to find their way. Without the Holy Spirit, and parents to guide, love, validate and support them, which is rare enough these days, they are left alone and susceptible to wander down a path they may never find their way out of. And then, like in this case, you add severe mental illness, and neglectful parents who when their child says he needs a therapist they respond with getting him a gun and even after being called into their son’s school with alarming drawings of intended homicide and suicidal ideation, they said they had to go back to work. I do agree this child made a conscious decision to take those lives and should be held accountable for that. But to some degree I feel the parents should be considered voluntary and his more involuntary. He was desperate for help, and no one listened.
I lived through an abusive childhood and now I live with and incurable cancer. Ethan never considered that life is what you make of it and that God is real. He never considered to have hope . It is so sad.
At least a large portion of Ethan's speech could have made a decent UA-cam video, or Ted Talk Youth video (the rest, sadly, demonstrated his own youth and ignorance of the way the world actually works). If only Ethan didn't think that killing people was the best option... he might have changed the world. It's just so ironic that his actions wound up contradicting the goals he laid out in his video / speech.
“ I’m going to jail for life. Michigan has no death penalty. I don’t want to die. I know that life is precious.”
Do you need any more evidence that removing the death penalty is a stupid and destructive thing to do?
Shows premeditation .
According to a study from the National Academy of Sciences, 4.1% percent of inmates on death row are likely to be innocent. 195 inmates on death row have been exonerated since 1973. It seems inhumane to even have the possibility of the government executing an innocent man. And as Freddie Lee Pitts said, “You can release an innocent man from prison, but you can’t release him from the grave.”
"I know that life is precious" said the teenager who murdered four other teenagers and (I didn't see all of it) wounded at least one schoolteacher with a 9mm bullet through her left arm less than six inches away from her heart. The young man was very confused.
This kid listened to adult conversations to much
Dear, God; Ethan handed to the school and the world what would happen the very next day. The school missed, and his parents did not care, that is why it happened.
Again and again all the warning signs were ignored.
Except some students that DID take the threats quite literally and didn't attend school that day, those kids had good intuition and street smarts.
@@darkhorse7460
You are right.
I don't know if mental health services would have helped this kid. He is mentally disturbed on a different level.
My heart is actually broken over this entire story! Ethan was terribly let down by his parents! He cried out for help in text message and phone calls. He even went straight to them and asked for help as he was laughed at by his mother and told him man up. Their idea of family game night was getting out a Ouija board. It’s no wonder the kids said he was seeing demons. I also feel like the school let down Ethan and all the victims. They chose to keep him at school that day without checking his person or backpack. As soon as they seen his drawing, they should have called the police immediately. This was preventable ! I feel like the school is responsible in many ways along with the parents. He was clearly experiencing psychosis. It’s absolutely heartbreaking.
Exactly. I am so disgusted at the adults calling him a monster when he did everything in his limited power as a child to signal to those around him that he needed help desperately. He was failed over and over again by everywhere that was supposed to be protecting him and all the other kids in that school.
I’m a Canadian and I’m just amazed at the amount of murder trials that are happening at the same time, just wrapped up & are waiting in the queue to be held. America has some serious serious problems. Get your house in order
It’s a big country, 325M people or so and an average of like 2 guns per person. Crazy stuff happens sometimes! Plus we idolize violence and masculinity, no easy answers.
Because the media have asked to be televised 🤷♀️ and the judges to be transparent has agreed to it . I think it’s “gag order”.
@@NG-cf7zh We idolize masculinity? I'm sorry but what clown world are you living in?
@@Morbidhouse I guess you’re free to have a differing opinion, my guy
I also live in Canada, and we have plenty of issues as well. Canada is not some paradise. No country is perfect. But remember, our Country and the US, are still doing better than Cuba, Venezuela, Haiti, certain African countries, certain middle eastern countries, etc. I feel for them, it’s unfortunate, but reality is we’re in a better state .
We have a societal problem. Mental illness is on the rise and drug abuse and violence and chaos and so much evil is on the rise in our country. We have a failure not just with those parents and the school but society as a whole is failing our youth - heck kids now think they are animals and wanting genital mutilation. Things are going to get worse in society if we don’t turn things around
I mean he has a point with his opinion about society. But that he is thinking, that killing a bunch of innocent people to set a sign is just selfish and stupid. He could have change the world, but now he is just another crazy kid that will spend the rest of his meaningless life in prison.
Did nobody pick up these signs?
If only he had gotten help for his depression. His view of the world was not wrong, it was just dark.
So so Sad...he needed help..
He was an outsider in his family. Every action his mother - the parent with the power - took de-prioritized Ethan. Her boyfriend, her horses, her ski patrol, her parties, her dieting, everything was more important than her son. He was also an outsider at school. Otherwise he would’ve had friends. He would’ve been part of school activities. I think it’s the fact that he was an outsider in both realms that made it possible for him to do the horrific thing he did. Idk what kind of sentence his mom will get but Ethan is in jail for the rest of his life. She laughed when he asked for counseling. Insensitive, selfish creature! She’s going to have a good, long time to think about if she had just made a few sacrifices on her son’s behalf, she wouldn’t be doing time now.
Would love to hear from his friend that was sent away
Omggg ME TOO!! I was wondering why we have not seen him at all through all of this it’s like wouldn’t that be the very first person to detectives who wanted to speak to I mean, he would probably have known Best at that age, especially his best friend
I feel bad that this kid had all the potential in the world, if someone would have just cared enough about him to have a conversation with him about life and get him the help he needed. All it took was for one adult to care. What he did was horrific and he has to be held accountable, but so do all the adults who watched him suffer mentally and did absolutely nothing!
Shannon who is now Jennifer's attorney would have stood up and objected to Ethans recording. She would have been sobbing and calling for a recess.🙄🙄🙄
Hearing this just makes me sick.
It’s like he documented this on purpose and his feelings and mental state he knew this would be found
U think he recorded this shit on accident?
I'm sure he wanted people to see it after he shot up the school, he wouldn't have recorded it then
duh
Profound statement, James.
Ding ding
With parents and officials that ignorant this will continue to happen more and more, over and over.
He really wanted help but the people who were supposed to advocate for his mental health were too self absorbed. As horrible as his actions were he is a victim as well. His mental health was completely disregarded. He was begging for help.
Sick sick sick. As a parent, you know when they are this bad
15yo. Tragic
This is a unbelievable opportunity to actually hear from one of the kids that did a school shooting before it happened to really understand and hear the words and thoughts before they did it and after listening to this everyone in his life let this young man down it’s very unfortunate 🙏 for him to find some sort of peace
Prray for him to find peace? No, pray for the families of the innocent, not this pos. This pos needs to suffer in prison for many, many years. Smh.
Boo hoo. He's all about himself and his OWN happiness. 21st century first world problem.
I’m sorry. The calluses and deep understanding of his actions leads no room for my sympathy.
Ah yes, poor little murderer just needed a hug. The world failed this poor little gentle, murderous baby, let's feel sorry for him.
I hope he doesn't find peace. Because f him, it's not about him. If he made this video and then killed himself and no-one else maybe.
I hope he rots in jail, because he murdered innocent people.
People go through some serious sh*t in their lives. People experience actual wars, their children get cancer, they starve, are homeless and sick, physically and mentally...or their children get murdered by aholes like this one - yet they don't go around, murdering people, because "they're sad and everything is bs".. Get a grip.
He might have had mental problems but he knew exactly what he was doing. What was the point of killing innocent kids? They should have the death penalty for people who kill.
Too many states in this nation no longer have the death penalty
If this doesn't give you chills to hear. He was alone, unloved, abandoned and ignored. Give him video games, access to alcohol, tv, etccccc so she didnt have to be a parent. The mother was more concerned with affairs, social media, horses, work, anything but her son. When Jennifer says "they did things together as a family". Did they really? was she on her social media, phone did they have him bring a friend so he wouldnt be in their hair, give him money to go on his own? They FAILED him!
The entitlement this brat felt is disgusting, how dare you
No parent should have to sit through the horror that these parents are suffering 😢 he should never be free, he is pure evil
Does no one see how this child was suffering. His parents are the real killers.How could they just walk away and leave him.
His parents are as much at fault as Ethan is. Mom cared more for her horse than she did for her son. His parents weren’t fit to care for him, they knew he was suffering from mental illness and never got him help, they handed him a gun instead. They failed him on every level. They knew this, that’s why they tried to flee. I hope the Crumbley’s serve life sentences as well. RIP to the victims.
So are you
Teach your kids the existence of God, then you will see the evil and devil run away from them
Sad. Sad. I feel as though he is emotionally empty and void of love and affection, alone. A lonely spirit.
How about all the killings in Chicago?? I lived in the hood as a black man.. i ha e a job and always had a job i would wake up at 5am for work and thugs my own kind and color sitting on the hood of my truck... 5 young men died in the same day where i put my truck and one women at party yet no one not even my own People care its very disgusting 🤢 not a single persons says anything we let it keep happening yet this young guy kills innocent black people and it makes news around all of USA yet my own ppl are killing there own people by the hundreds and no one not evem my own . People say anyth walking around screaming gamg gamg gang yet no one says a word im telling you i finally saved up enough to move my family to a white neighborhood... iv never been happier to spend thousands of dollars.. we are the only black families in the neighborhood and we are treated so good my kids play with all of the other kids in the neighborhood everyone greated like we where white.. the point of this message is we do nothing to stop our own black on black violence but yet its a uo roar everytime a cop kills a black person even through 95% of the time the only reason why the cop shot was because of the actions of the individual not because of hos skin color.. no one in the hood cares that hundreds of black on black killings everyday so why would this young man care about the black people he killed at that store when we dont even care about our selfs 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢 one ❤ to all colors of individuals
What you're describing is gang violence/killings. Totally normal thing in Chicago that happens every day. This was a school shooter in a rural town. Completely different things.
Nice try.. you’re most likely a yt guy named Brad
Plus what does this school shooting have to do with Chicago?
@story-time- Thank you sir; I was raised poor white and because of that was bullied by teachers in my school. My goal was to get the hell out.. I did and my 3 brothers and sisters also. My sons are successful one a Plastic/polymer Engineer and the other PhD research scientist/college professor because "I CHOSE" to move on and up regardless of politics. We all attended CHURCH.. I truly believe this is the difference.
Just to clarify: Ethan Crumbley was a school shooter in Michigan and killed 4 students, none of which were black. A 19 year old white supremacist killed 10 black people at a grocery store in Buffalo, NY in 2022.
A reasonably san adult might know when to stop taking, but he's a sick child who did horrible things
I wonder who turned this child into such a cynic. Def his parents
Internet. You don’t pick up these kind of views from nothing. It’s apparent the way that he speaks and views the world that Ethan spent many many hours online researching and researching and this is what he came up with. when you look around the world and you see a lot of the negativity that goes on. What do you expect? This is the product of it
💔So tragic. How many kids out there trapped in pain, hopeless and without a ray of hope or support…💔
Delusion of Grandeur
A delusion of grandeur is the false belief in one's own superiority, greatness, or intelligence.
Its a shame that the truth about the education and workforce that he spoke on will drowned by his actions.
Yeah but no one would care if he didnt commit this act. His manifesto gives cause and meaning to his actions which is what gets peoples attention.
@@vice2versa ....Damn. Great point. Things like this will be the subject of many law dissertations.
Everyone knows all this anyway
demonic
Crazy he understands he will go to prison too
Of course he understands that, they all do. Whats crazy is that he admits hes not suicidal. Most wait until they accept that they will die after the deed. Hes different because hes not suicidal. Most normally have to be suicidal to do something like this.
No.@@vice2versa
Crazy! 1+1=2
He WANTED this.. now he doesn’t think he deserves to deal with the consequences that come along with it 🙃 why are we wasting tax payers dollars on this killer? He isn’t mentally ill he is entitled…
I truly believe many younger people have no sense of reality or consequences.
There was nothing wrong with this kid. He was just a miserable child, and wanted others to suffer, because he didn’t have the opportunities other children have. he’s a monster people like this come out and do it again when things aren’t the way they want them he might have everyone fooled, but it’s not that hard to fool the system into believing some envy and insecurities, then diagnose them with some sort of mental health disorder!
Your close minded
Just like you
He’s mentally ILL. Not well. Mentally unwell. Someone who did what he did and the things he’s texted others and wrote in his journal.. is not mentally well. No one in their right healthy mind.. would have the thought he has.
I can't believe he was thinking so hard about his future all those years when he was just a babe. Worried already about his life ahead. That's pretty heavy for a kid. Too bad at 15 he already drew conclusions.
Boo hoo, right? Get a grip- your empathy is misplaced.
He had severe violent intrusive thoughts, hallucinations, and so many more red flags! He told anyone who would listen, he posted about it on social media, he told his parents he seen demons and heard voices and they lock him out of the house for it instead of helping him.
It’s so sad all the way around.
It looks like he is slightly smirking as the audio is playing
He has no clue what he’s saying. A kid trying to be an adult. Sickening.
This kid killed innocent people, just so his voice could be heard.... Absolute disgusting excuse of a human being. How can people show sympathy for this type of shit? Do people not understand that this was methodically planned out and he wasn't going to just stop there. He's getting the punishment he deserves, and may justice be brought to all the poor families that had to suffer through this horrific tragedy. 💔
Does anyone wonder why the school did nothing? Never have heard any inquiry of the school. After his drawing…. School simply asks if parents want to take him home!!? WTH??? They should have demanded it. Why no questions of the school?
Ethan was doomed from an early start. No mental health care. Easy-easy access to weapons that can blow holes into human beings. Horrible neglectful parenting. Poorly trained school counselors.
He had a well thought out plan
I'm not hearing mental illness .....I'm hearing a rational young man who us frustrated with the 9 to 5 slave system we have gotten ourselves into
Just like the other nerds that do this, they don't want to grow up.
He’s right in so many ways and only at 15 years old :( but he’s suffering from a disease called mental illness and this was 100% preventable. If his parents would’ve gotten him the medical attention he needed. So tragic.
Why didn’t the School do something, that morning that they called the Parents in, and the Parents did not want to help the School either. Why didn’t the School keep him isolated, until they could get some authorities to eliminate this Tragic situation ??
He is a child … his parent bought him a gun for Xmas … his parents are the one at fault here , how can u blame a kid for making the wrong decisions when he had no guidance or proper adult supervision from his own mum & dad .. he was a trouble kid with a lot of issues
I cant imagine not one person in this kids life knew what this kid was thinking. He doesn't seem like he tried to hide it. Its one of the saddest parts how loudly he was screaming for help but nobody cared enough to listen. People are so wrapped up in themselves they cant see what anyone else is going through. If you take a step back and observe the hustle and bustle of daily life you can see how clueless and oblivious people can be. It does make the special ones even more visible. Its like saying hello and thank you are for immediate family only, if that.
A few comments on here saying "he's intelligent." JFC, this is their idea of intelligence? Nope. This is not intelligence. He's just repeating what all the crazies online say. It's ignorance at its finest. Get real.
You're right . Working for a living is not bullshit . What did he think should be the alternative? I think he was spoiled and lazy and didn't want to become a man and have a job . This was just an ignorant rant . Nothing smart about it .
He could have entered alternative education. Not the creativity of thought. He felt hopeless. No direction. No future. No help at home.
This kid is evil
This kid was waaay too isolated while mom was out riding her horses and her bf. I blame her more than the father because, by all accounts, she wore the pants in the household. If she said he wasn’t getting counseling then he wasn’t getting counseling.
What a tortured human being.
This is heartbreaking 💔 this should of being prevented starting from home parents failed him 1000% and the school
This is too sad. Here is a hopeless feeling fifteen year old, like too many other kids today, who don't feel emotionally connected or can't find a path forward from childhood to manhood . There are too few mentors today for kids. Who knows what this kid might've been if he had had positive adults to help him. I hope parents see this and take raising our kids, the next generation seriously. Parents please love and pay attention to the needs of your kids. It's the most important job you will ever have.