Answers to your FAQ. I ran the numbers for all these with my routing software. Hidden Power Psychic isn't as strong against Bruno. It's the difference between two hitting the Machamp (hp psychic) and getting an 80% chance to knock it out in one hit (hp flying). Having 15 Attack (Hidden Power Psychic) instead of 12 Attack (Hidden Power Flying) raises Tyranitar's chances of defeating Red's Espeon in one hit from 26% to 37%. Defeating Falkner at a lower level is of course possible. However, with my current knowledge, I believe it isn't a wise choice because what does each Pokemon gain from defeating him earlier? Both need to train so they can reach at least lv70 for Red. Battling earlier trainers, obtaining Flash, and then defeat Falkner allows for a snowball to form earlier from which you can reap compounding returns. Red's Espeon: Blackglasses+Crunch 31% OHKO, Hard Stone+Rock Slide 26% OHKO. IMO the 5% boost for the one hit is not worth carrying Crunch for a large portion of the playthrough. Tyranitar will need to bypass Espeon with a lucky two hit after being hit by Mud-Slap. Setup Curse on Pikachu? I did try this. Thunder does 21%-26% per hit and has a chance to paralyze. So that's not a great start. Also, because of Tyranitar's speed, one use of Curse cuts its speed under that of Blastoise and Venusaur which harms is chances significantly in the rest of the battle. Rip Rock/Dark type :( You're correct: I should use Bite against Morty with Tyranitar I should use Fire Punch against Jasmine more (this is a recurring error I make in my playthroughs, mostly because I think that Ice Punch will be "good enough" and I don't want to waste time learning a new TM and replacing my held item with the Charcoal)
Fire Punch's benefits against Jasmine can also potentially apply to Pryce's Piloswine. It may take it to a 1-hit for some mons and save a few more seconds, making up for the inventory management slightly more than just Jasmine and remove a little bit of the risk for both leaders
No reason Gamefreak couldn't have given it to Dragonite at Level 1 and 55 though. A lot of Pokemon have something like that going on (although less often in Gens 1 and 2, but it's still there)
@@somedogsarecops2354 A lot of evolved Pokémon do actually have moves at Lvl. 1 because of the move reminders. So yeah, it wouldn't make sense for them to not give Dragonite Wing Attack at Lvl. 1. And either way, there is Move Reminder in the Stadium 2 game. Sure, for Gen 1 and Gen 2 standards it would be stupid, but it does make sense for them to do so since you need a mon from Gen 2 for Stadium 2.
@@priestesslucy3299 because it isn't hyped about having wings. It had no arms or legs for 54 levels. At level 55 it's like omg I have wings ima use them. At level 1 it's just use to them being wings and hasn't thought of using them for violence. Unlike a pokemon that has been wrapping people for 54 level.
Woke up at 1am this morning with a raging ear infection but Scott’s thoughts make the pain go away Edit: I appreciate all the replies but my infection is not getting better despite having antibiotics prescribed to me, might have to get something stronger…
i really love how you breakdown the stats and raising the pokemon to peak perfection. (exactly how i figured out how to get my pokemon to be even more effective in my future play throughs.) Thanks Scott for always giving us the nerdy stats! your number one poke-fan nathan !
I've always enjoyed how you use the natural transitions in the game for your edits. Seeing you point that out made my day! Thanks for all the great content, keep it up!
Man you really are getting these runs optimized... From Falkner, down the route south of violet city, through union cave, and completing the slowpoke well scenario, beating every trainer on the way and reaching a trainer in azalea gym in a little over 4 minutes is insane.
Battle of 2 titans nice! Never clicked so fast. Thanks for the great content! After watching, Honestly the results I was expecting, Although I was surprised to see your move set choice for Tyrannitar for your second playthrough red fight.
I did a solo Larvitar play through a while back and it struggled in quite a few areas. It didn't evolve until right before the final Rival battle. I'm interested to see how this goes.
Cool to see both Psuedos get to be in the Ho-Oh/Lugia tier. You mentioned how you felt like keeping Crunch for Espeon would be dead weight, but I think there’s a solution to that. Replace Return with Crunch since it’s relearnable. While it seems bad to lose that before Karen since Return’s not 1-shotting Umbreon, Rock Slide can flinch it. If you want to avoid turn 1 Sand Attack, replacing Hidden Power Flying with Detect can solve that issue.
i am realy exited about this video! im sick and cannot drive home for christmas, and you are brightening up my late night wake up (slept a lot today) you are the only person i am commenting the videos because i loved them since the beginning of your youtube carrer! you are such a nice guy, i love your humor and positivity! like you, i loved the games as a kid and played them much to often and for too long.. i got the blue one back then and stayed up all night with my friends, and even on the toilet breaks i heared the beautiful sound of the first generation repeating in my head. dont forget to take a brake and relax, you gave us a such a huge amount of videos lately! i wish you and your better half a merry christmas, enjoy it, you deserve it :)
Merry Christmas to you as well! Sorry to hear you’re sick and can’t drive home for the holidays. Thanks so much for the kind comment. I’m having a sort of bleh day. Finished production yesterday and I think the pace change is messing with me. Thanks so much for the pick me up! It means a lot.
Haven't seen this yet but I get the feeling it is going to be quite close until they both get to Red. I will have to come back and edit this thing to go further into thoughts about this. These two are definitely the greatest rivals that never met. CALLED IT. ALSO Why no Fire Punch? You get a clean kill when fighting Steelix and Fortress. I've also noticed you didn't pick up A SINGLE PP UP. You could've picked up one or two to help Tyranitar from running out of Rock Slides an easy one in Ice Path right before you leave it. Same with the single PP up before facing Erika which is in the same location seen in Yellow in a tree. Heck you even went BACK for the charcoal and didn't even use it unless you just sold it so you could get your TMs and the like. Because it sells for a nice price of 4,800 P. At least now the whole stats have been fixed with just the names to work out with the next series of playthroughs. As for anyone to KO Umbreon, it would have to be either Primape (thanks to Cross Chop), Heracross (with Megahorn if level 54), MAYBE Hitmonchan if it has its High Jump Kick Egg Move, Hitmonlee (with Hi Jump Kick), Machamp definitely has a shot at KO'ing it but that is if it can be fast enough to even hit Umbreon before it uses Sand Attack.
Being faster than Umbreon isn't difficult, as even though Umbreon has a higher base speed stat than Machamp, it doesn't get any stat exp boosting its speed, whereas the player's Machamp can. Plus, Umbreon isn't exactly known for being a speed-demon, with only a 65 base speed stat (only 10 higher than Machamp). This would be easy AF to overcome with either a few Carbos or just battling pokemon that have a high base speed stat, even if Machamp was a few levels lower than Umbreon,
I started watching your videos maybe like six months ago, after a recommendation from my friend who watches you as they go to sleep. During these months, you've gone from being my go to channel for sleeping, to just always being on in the background, both day and night. No other channel comes closer to being the soundtrack of my time as a new father. And for that, I thank you. Happy holidays, and take care.
Congrats on being a new father that’s really exciting and probably really exhausting. I’m honoured that my content has become the soundtrack for you during this special time.
I love how you explain your strategies for each section/major battle. The fact that you test out moves we generally wouldn't see a Pokémon using makes these challenges even funnier to watch. Feels like you bring each Pokémon to their full potential! Keep up the great work!
Yet another great video. Tyrantitar was one of my fav Gen 2 pokemon when I was a kid but bc u get it endgame I could never enjoy it ,glad to see this playthrough
Tyranitar has always been one of my favorite mons. I transferred an egg over to Soul Silver a while back to use it from the beginning of the game. Larvitar hatched knowing rock slide, earth quake, dark pulse, and bite. Those aren't supposed to be egg moves, so I was more than a little surprised. Let's just say the beginning of the game was easier than I've ever had. One bit of constructive criticism with the overlay (which is awesome information to have as a viewer), it seems like the stats are in a different order for your pokemon vs the opponent. I'm colorblind, so I have no idea which is special defense and which is defense on the opposing pokemon. You put a ton of work into these. Thanks for the content!
Dude, apart from the one speedrunner I've watched for years, you are the only person I consistently watch play through the same games repeatedly. I still love the content, so it keeps me coming back.
Honestly, dropping Crunch(effective 120 power) seemed a bit of an odd choice to, since it's comparable-enough to Return against everything except Fighting and Bug pokemon(aka, what Hidden Power Fly is meant to deal with) and would be super-effective against Espeon, so less potentially less Mudslaps to deal with. EDIT: The potential for debuffing is also a nice bonus of Crunch.
Also, for Morty, using dig which takes 2 turns at 120 power seemed like not as good of a choice as using bite at 180 power since the ghosts have a low so def too
@@KylestyleTV Yeah, Bite's generally a better choice than Dig, but ya gotta factor in Special Attack vs Special Defense, rather than Attack vs Defense, which may affect the comparison Crunch at 80 power(effectively 120 base; 240 vs weaknesses) would definitely make up the gap to *destroy* Psychic and Ghost types.
@@KylestyleTV that ghost's special defense is slightly higher than their physical. the physical attack of the attacker is higher than their physical defense. It looks like those gaps enough to make Dig and Bite about equal on paper, with Bite winning out overall for time, depending on stat experience. Crunch, on the other hand is so strong that there is not s contest.
Gosh Scott, you are pumping out content like no one I've seen!! You deserve success on UA-cam It's been so cool to see the growth since I started watching a couple years ago Anyways, I hope you and your fiance are doing well..she's the same type as venemoth if I'm not mistaken? Ghost, ice type is OP!!
I distinctively remember learning about Twister hitting Pokémon flying up in the air and Earthquake dealing double damage when a Pokémon is underground with Dig in Earl's class in Pokémon Stadium 2. Twenty-odd years ago. ...crap, I feel old.
great video as always. just noticed what looks like a bug with your software. at 24:48 when teaching hidden power the icon displayed is ground but in the next cut this is flying as it should. also the mechanics for burn should be implemented differently (referencing the snorlax video here.) burn halves the power of all physical moves as opposed to halving the attack stat, so instead of 500 atk turning to 250, double edge's power should be 90 instead of 180. possibly a trivial detail, but considering the depth of implementation with gen 1 paralysis, it could be a good thing to add.
Dragonite is my favorite pokemon so im rooting for him. But no matter what im sure you always try to be fair scott. And i appreciate that. Happy holidays.
Great video once again Scott! About the one-shot on Umbreon, I instantly think of Herracross Megahorn? Sure, 85% accuracy but still, 120 power super effective STAB move with high attack? :-)
Thank you so much this is the best Christmas present evere thank you I love you're videos they are really fun. You could try fools gold if you ever get bored of Pokemon crystal. merry Christmas
I was a little confused why you weren't using Bite on Ttar's first playthrough against Morty, since even if your SpA. was 3/4 of you Att, the move base power was 50% higher and took fewer turns. Similar with Ice Punch vs HP Ground on Jasmine's Steelix for Dnite, it's happened a few times now that you've favored Ice over Ground moves against Steelix on first playthroughs. Even so, those battles were simple and it doesn't really change the overall risk. Thinking of the Punches, it's always been weird to me that Ttar got Fire Punch but not Ice Punch or Thunder Punch. The use of HP Flying to avoid the slowdown of not immediately facing Chuck was well-thought; since you've noticed on a few videos now that he can be a crucial slowdown if you delay him (access to Fly is massive) it might be worth considering accounting for him with HP type on future playthrough optimizations, if moveset diversity allows it. I do think changing this up on the second playthrough hurt Tyranitar's result a fair bit, since it barely struggled with Chuck in the first playthrough; one potential reset there I think would still save more real time. It's nice to see how the nameless opponent Pokemon from that earlier livestream came to be; every fix in programming is going to lead to at least one new bug. Good that you're able to notice these bugs and fix them, though! A good performance overall, it's no surprise to me that Dragonite did so well. The S tier is beginning to fill up, I wonder who else will join it going forward.
Ice Punch might have been the right call against Steelix because its defense stat is insane and Ice Punch can freeze while still probably doing similar-ish (probably even more) damage. I think that using Dig against Gengar was a misplay though. Sometimes I think Scott overprioritizes physical moves against Gengar/Alakazam in Gen II because they're so specially bulky in Gen I.
Scott, as a fellow musician, I had a hilarious and thematically relevant idea for your channel. I think we can all agree that the abbreviation for same type attack bonus being STAB is pretty hilarious. But it's also sort of mundane that it's the only boost with a cool name like that when there's type advantage, and badge boost, and badge type boost from gen 2. Therefore I propose we assign note divisions to the different values: Obv same type attack bonus is +50% will be either whole or half STAB depending how you wanna do it. Type Advantage is x2 damage so we call it either whole or Double STAB. Badge boost and badge type boost each give +12.5% respectively, which would be an eighth STAB. Put both boosts together for +25% and that's a Quarter STAB. You could even meme it pretty in depth lol. Badge boost plus same type attack bonus would be a dotted Quarter STAB XD And so on and so forth.
Dragonite learning wing attack at 55 makes sense since that's the level dragonair evolves and actually gets wings Another thing why not hidden power psychic on tyrannitar it only seemed to need it for fighting types and that's 15 attack ev
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon the small difference probably would have made you need slightly less training in a few spots and you might have not needed to use a rare candy early either
HP flying couldve been a mistake overall. That 15 DV mightve given some more favourable ranges in a few cases, though the consistency might be problematic. TTar also has good special options, so maybe that could be the necessary tech for him to improve even more, at least throughout Johto. DNite seems pretty much optimised on the other hand! Great vid!
I did check other hidden power types but not consciously thinking about the damage ranges because of the attack DV. I'll keep that in mind in the future.
Just started the vid, voted for Dragonite so here's hoping 🤞 also don't know if you know diamond/pearl/platinum that well but flygon vs garchomp with phys/spec split could be fun or teddiursa/ursaring vs munchlax/snorlax would be good, love the vids man 🤘
Really happy Dragonite got that win hehe. I'm glad! But yea, this was a close match-up! Good work Scott! But yea, the random chance of going through Red is not easy.
14:16 still better luck than when I did my Tyranitar playthrough. When I faced Whitney, what did Clefairy roll with Metronome? Cross Chop! (Yes, it hit)
Speaking of your overlay, I'm curious: have you thought about adding damage range calculation to the individual moves to show in real time what the effects of BP+stats+enemy turns out to be? I realise it would probably reduce the delta between initial play and optimisation, but it seems very natural as an extension of what you've already done.
Yes. I have already written functions to do this. In 2023 at some point I’ll show exact damage ranges in the 2nd playthrough portion of the video. First playthroughs will still be done this way because I don’t want to take all the mystery out of things.
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Cool! I've definitely wondered in cases where, for example, there's a neutral move with high stat vs. super effective with low stat. Or the cases where the defensive stats come into play. Anyway, something to look forward to; the best Pokémon overlay is just getting better!
Both did extremely well! Being a Dragonite fan, I have to say that I am very happy especially after seeing how it wasn't as good in Gen 1 for solo challenges.
I used both these Pokemon in my Scarlett playthrough and they are both fantastic, Tyranitar has one of my all time favorite designs. Also I nicknamed my Dragonite Stormfly, think it suits it well
I notice the S tier filling up a bit. My guess is that it ends up with only 3 Pokémon in the end though. I remember you saying you wanted to redo the box art legends when you got better at the game, so I predict Lugia and Ho-Oh get optimized on a replay to be clearly a tier above the current S tier. Then you do Mewtwo and it beats both of them. The psychic nerf won't really hurt Mewtwo until gen 3 (darn you Poochyena!!!) since no dark type Pokémon appear in the game until after Mewtwo has a move to hit them. It's faster and hits harder than the birds making it's inferior (but honestly still pretty good) bulk rather a moot point.
Did you try to use the Curse + Detect strategy against Venusaur? I think it might work out pretty well to block solar beam and let you one-shot everything else (maximum of 1 mud slap taken).
For Dragonite, would it be worth it to learn surf for the Price and Jasmine, then use the Move Deleter to remove it for Return before Claire? I am not sure if it would be a time loss or not.
Ah, Godzilla vs Destroyah, can't wait :) I'd have gone with King Ghidorah, but that's clearly Hydreigon. Mothra of course being Volcarona... You totally have a potential series here, man.
That first run with Dragonite was laughably lucky, so many clutch misses, timely freezes and favorable AI choices...Then finally at the end Red comes along and says, "..." and puts Dragonite back to the spot it probably should've been at the entire time. Yet Dragonite's luck eventually came back and carried through the final battle.
One of my fav runs you have done! I used them both, a 2 man team from Dratini and Larvitar to full evolve to beat crystal it wasn’t as easy as I thought. And you did it solo. But what really gets me is when clefairy uses Megahorn it occurred to me why don’t the Johto gym leaders only uses Gen 2 Pokémon like Gen 3. Never bothered me until then lol imagine Bugsy with a Heracross! Lol
Also if I'm remembering gen 2 Ai correctly from crystal kaizo. The Ai will roll the damage for all it's moves then choose the one that does the highest damage. So for instance when the miltank used stomp, the game rolled a Crit for the stomp and checked it against a non-crit rollout. Then it picked stomp, but because it Crit on the test it was really unlikely to Crit when actually used.
Wow Scott just what I expected it would be! You know what? I even expected Dragonite to be the winner but I also knew Tyranutar would have an excellent performance! I gotta say, this clash's got be the most exciting until now! Even better than the Eevee's evolutionary line competition, by the way Scott, I 'd like to congratulate you because you are improving more and more at each challenge you do! Man it doesn't even look like you started doing content just about 2 years ago, you are performing greatly, I like you even more than more experienced poketubers like mdrybread and Jrose! You are outstanding!!! I'm a big fan of your job as a Pokemon content creator! I just long to see your next job! Thank you so much, this race between these two titans made my night a lot more fun, really, I didn't even watch time go by... When it was ending finally I couldn't believe it was already 1 hour past, that is such a cool sensation, time just flew by... Dude, I do recognize you as one of the best Pokemon content creators! Congratulations 👏! Keep up the good job, already now brilliant! Good luck, your future sounds really promising... Go ahead! 👊🏻 Ever expecting great performances from you, a pretty decent professional! Until later!🤙
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon wow that's really good, Scott! It sure makes me glad! Let me just say I really say what I do believe, I'm sure you've got lots of fans man! I wish you a great end of year and a wonderful happy new year! Btw, I liked your gift so much! Delibird did shine today!
Great video as always Scott! Although I do think having a maxed out hidden power of your choosing makes these runs slightly less challenging/entertaining. Would be interesting to see a pokemon overcome challenges such as Claire without just being given hidden power ice base power 70. Gen 2 (other than facing red) is easy enough without manipulating the DVs to get the perfect hidden power. Could start comparing runs with and without hidden power see if there’s a major difference (you hinted at that in this video at the end r.e. Ho-oh and Lugia). Would be interesting to see who is the best pokemon in the game in normal circumstances!
15:37 "But yeah, if _could_ use it, in that case, it would deal double damage~." Something about how "double damage" is said with that rising intonation is charmingly pleasant.
It would be cool if in future vs video's it would be cool if the rivals starter Pokemon is the the other mon in the race and with the move's you had at that point in the race, that being said that could be more effort than it's worth to set that up.
Answers to your FAQ.
I ran the numbers for all these with my routing software.
Hidden Power Psychic isn't as strong against Bruno. It's the difference between two hitting the Machamp (hp psychic) and getting an 80% chance to knock it out in one hit (hp flying).
Having 15 Attack (Hidden Power Psychic) instead of 12 Attack (Hidden Power Flying) raises Tyranitar's chances of defeating Red's Espeon in one hit from 26% to 37%.
Defeating Falkner at a lower level is of course possible. However, with my current knowledge, I believe it isn't a wise choice because what does each Pokemon gain from defeating him earlier? Both need to train so they can reach at least lv70 for Red. Battling earlier trainers, obtaining Flash, and then defeat Falkner allows for a snowball to form earlier from which you can reap compounding returns.
Red's Espeon: Blackglasses+Crunch 31% OHKO, Hard Stone+Rock Slide 26% OHKO. IMO the 5% boost for the one hit is not worth carrying Crunch for a large portion of the playthrough. Tyranitar will need to bypass Espeon with a lucky two hit after being hit by Mud-Slap.
Setup Curse on Pikachu? I did try this. Thunder does 21%-26% per hit and has a chance to paralyze. So that's not a great start. Also, because of Tyranitar's speed, one use of Curse cuts its speed under that of Blastoise and Venusaur which harms is chances significantly in the rest of the battle. Rip Rock/Dark type :(
You're correct:
I should use Bite against Morty with Tyranitar
I should use Fire Punch against Jasmine more (this is a recurring error I make in my playthroughs, mostly because I think that Ice Punch will be "good enough" and I don't want to waste time learning a new TM and replacing my held item with the Charcoal)
Lets put it this way, you saw a two turn solar beam coming and you had detect and you didn’t use it, you deserve whatever poor result you get
Love how you went through the effort to make this FAQ Scott 💞💞
Also, Ice generally sucks. Even given it is a coverage move, only the very versatile and Ice will use for it.
Fire Punch's benefits against Jasmine can also potentially apply to Pryce's Piloswine. It may take it to a 1-hit for some mons and save a few more seconds, making up for the inventory management slightly more than just Jasmine and remove a little bit of the risk for both leaders
*Applause*
Wing Attack is what Dragonite would learn as he evolves from Dragonair at lvl 55 and grows wings, so that does kinda make sense haha
No reason Gamefreak couldn't have given it to Dragonite at Level 1 and 55 though.
A lot of Pokemon have something like that going on (although less often in Gens 1 and 2, but it's still there)
@Priestess Lucy You aren't supposed to have Dragonite at level 1 so no reason they would of thought to give it.
@@somedogsarecops2354 A lot of evolved Pokémon do actually have moves at Lvl. 1 because of the move reminders. So yeah, it wouldn't make sense for them to not give Dragonite Wing Attack at Lvl. 1. And either way, there is Move Reminder in the Stadium 2 game. Sure, for Gen 1 and Gen 2 standards it would be stupid, but it does make sense for them to do so since you need a mon from Gen 2 for Stadium 2.
@@priestesslucy3299 because it isn't hyped about having wings. It had no arms or legs for 54 levels. At level 55 it's like omg I have wings ima use them. At level 1 it's just use to them being wings and hasn't thought of using them for violence. Unlike a pokemon that has been wrapping people for 54 level.
@@itsthekid9815 The best head cannon response.
Woke up at 1am this morning with a raging ear infection but Scott’s thoughts make the pain go away
Edit: I appreciate all the replies but my infection is not getting better despite having antibiotics prescribed to me, might have to get something stronger…
Dr. Thoughts :-)
I hope you get soon better!
They always do
I hope you get better
I get those often, it gets rough sometimes
Completely agree, his videos helped me a lot with getting through the v. And ear infections are the worst, hope you'll get better asap!
Ayooo
I feel like Salamence vs Metagross in Emerald would be a perfect successor to this video
I agree
Some cool new moves for ttar and dragonite as well might as well do all 4
I doubt it would be close metagross crushes the game
This comment aged so well 🥹🫶🏼
@@thetoxicdoc9617 thanks for reminding me of this channel and series lol. I actually totally forgot about it.
Dragonite learns Wing Attack so late because, if it were leveling up normally from Dratini, it wouldn't've had wings yet.
lol
Lance: Check out my 3 inappropriately leveled Dragonites
Scott: I too have an inappropriately leveled Dragonite
Lance: Surprised Pikachu face
Pokemon golder lol😂 I love that quote
i really love how you breakdown the stats and raising the pokemon to peak perfection. (exactly how i figured out how to get my pokemon to be even more effective in my future play throughs.) Thanks Scott for always giving us the nerdy stats! your number one poke-fan nathan !
We all need a bit more Pokemon statistics in our life!
That first run with Tyranitar would face much fewer issues if it's attack IVs weren't as cut by HP Flying
Especially since it dropped it anyways
I've always enjoyed how you use the natural transitions in the game for your edits. Seeing you point that out made my day! Thanks for all the great content, keep it up!
Glad you're enjoying the transitions! We're still working to make them battle :)
Man you really are getting these runs optimized... From Falkner, down the route south of violet city, through union cave, and completing the slowpoke well scenario, beating every trainer on the way and reaching a trainer in azalea gym in a little over 4 minutes is insane.
The VS videos are my favorites, appreciate you doing them even though you said they were more work.
Much more work, but we've become really good at editing videos now, so one of these isn't unbelievably exhausting anymore!
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Thank you for all your efforts
T-tars Gen 2 backsprite looks so sick, it already has the edge over the goofy plump dragon design-wise.
Goofy dragon Is cool
I really like how they slightly altered Tyranitar's design so it looks more like a rocky dinosaur monster than an angry piece of wall insulation.
Venomoth is a GREAT representation of the fairy type right there. Its been one since gen 1 after all!
Battle of 2 titans nice! Never clicked so fast. Thanks for the great content!
After watching, Honestly the results I was expecting, Although I was surprised to see your move set choice for Tyrannitar for your second playthrough red fight.
Scott, your upload schedule has been insane lately. I dunno how you're making them so quickly but I'm loving the videos as always
Omg I’ve been waiting forever! Thank you Dennis!
I did a solo Larvitar play through a while back and it struggled in quite a few areas. It didn't evolve until right before the final Rival battle. I'm interested to see how this goes.
The Rival fight against the water starter in Azalea town was brutal for larvitar
Scott, I hope that beer you got tasted delicious! You truly earned it with your month of hard work!
Cool to see both Psuedos get to be in the Ho-Oh/Lugia tier. You mentioned how you felt like keeping Crunch for Espeon would be dead weight, but I think there’s a solution to that. Replace Return with Crunch since it’s relearnable. While it seems bad to lose that before Karen since Return’s not 1-shotting Umbreon, Rock Slide can flinch it. If you want to avoid turn 1 Sand Attack, replacing Hidden Power Flying with Detect can solve that issue.
Detect won't help because Espeon will just use Mud-slap on the next turn anyways. It's going to spam it.
I'm really excited for this one. Tyranitar is my favorite Pokemon, but I love both these guys.
i am realy exited about this video! im sick and cannot drive home for christmas, and you are brightening up my late night wake up (slept a lot today)
you are the only person i am commenting the videos because i loved them since the beginning of your youtube carrer! you are such a nice guy, i love your humor and positivity!
like you, i loved the games as a kid and played them much to often and for too long.. i got the blue one back then and stayed up all night with my friends, and even on the toilet breaks i heared the beautiful sound of the first generation repeating in my head.
dont forget to take a brake and relax, you gave us a such a huge amount of videos lately!
i wish you and your better half a merry christmas, enjoy it, you deserve it :)
Merry Christmas to you as well! Sorry to hear you’re sick and can’t drive home for the holidays.
Thanks so much for the kind comment. I’m having a sort of bleh day. Finished production yesterday and I think the pace change is messing with me. Thanks so much for the pick me up! It means a lot.
My favorite video of yours so far!!!
I love seeing two excellent Pokemon do excellent against each other. My favorite kind of versus videos
This channel needs more attention your content is so interesting and enjoyable all Pokémon fans deserve to watch
Thanks so much!
Haven't seen this yet but I get the feeling it is going to be quite close until they both get to Red. I will have to come back and edit this thing to go further into thoughts about this. These two are definitely the greatest rivals that never met.
CALLED IT. ALSO Why no Fire Punch? You get a clean kill when fighting Steelix and Fortress. I've also noticed you didn't pick up A SINGLE PP UP. You could've picked up one or two to help Tyranitar from running out of Rock Slides an easy one in Ice Path right before you leave it. Same with the single PP up before facing Erika which is in the same location seen in Yellow in a tree. Heck you even went BACK for the charcoal and didn't even use it unless you just sold it so you could get your TMs and the like. Because it sells for a nice price of 4,800 P. At least now the whole stats have been fixed with just the names to work out with the next series of playthroughs.
As for anyone to KO Umbreon, it would have to be either Primape (thanks to Cross Chop), Heracross (with Megahorn if level 54), MAYBE Hitmonchan if it has its High Jump Kick Egg Move, Hitmonlee (with Hi Jump Kick), Machamp definitely has a shot at KO'ing it but that is if it can be fast enough to even hit Umbreon before it uses Sand Attack.
Being faster than Umbreon isn't difficult, as even though Umbreon has a higher base speed stat than Machamp, it doesn't get any stat exp boosting its speed, whereas the player's Machamp can. Plus, Umbreon isn't exactly known for being a speed-demon, with only a 65 base speed stat (only 10 higher than Machamp). This would be easy AF to overcome with either a few Carbos or just battling pokemon that have a high base speed stat, even if Machamp was a few levels lower than Umbreon,
Hitmontop with High jump kick (egg move) should also OHKO Umbreon, and maybe a max attack Poliwrath with Submission can also do it.
I started watching your videos maybe like six months ago, after a recommendation from my friend who watches you as they go to sleep.
During these months, you've gone from being my go to channel for sleeping, to just always being on in the background, both day and night.
No other channel comes closer to being the soundtrack of my time as a new father. And for that, I thank you.
Happy holidays, and take care.
Congrats on being a new father that’s really exciting and probably really exhausting. I’m honoured that my content has become the soundtrack for you during this special time.
I’m looking forward to the new content and how you will be tackling all the new challenges across 4 games.
That fairy venomoth in the corner got me so bad I choked on my drink xD Merry Christmas Scott!!
I love how you explain your strategies for each section/major battle. The fact that you test out moves we generally wouldn't see a Pokémon using makes these challenges even funnier to watch. Feels like you bring each Pokémon to their full potential! Keep up the great work!
Thanks so much! I will
I was looking forward to this run lets goo
Phenomenal video as always! And I appreciate the pinned FAQ comment. You covered my question about not using Bite against Morty.
Yet another great video. Tyrantitar was one of my fav Gen 2 pokemon when I was a kid but bc u get it endgame I could never enjoy it ,glad to see this playthrough
Scott this video immediately caught my attention with its title! What a clash!
Indeed! I’ve been so excited for this one for at least a year’
These are so fun to watch, seeing the different strengths and weaknesses of these Pokemon back to back
I'm hoping to see Slowbro vs Slowking
My fav Pseudo Legendary Tyrararara :D Love this content man!! Thanks for that !!
Ooooh. My senses are telling me the Metagross versus Salamence race is finally going to happen soon! Nice.
Not exactly “soon” but it will happen in 2023
Glad I didn't have to ask for this one. Thank you Scott 😊
You’re welcome.
Tyranitar has always been one of my favorite mons. I transferred an egg over to Soul Silver a while back to use it from the beginning of the game. Larvitar hatched knowing rock slide, earth quake, dark pulse, and bite. Those aren't supposed to be egg moves, so I was more than a little surprised. Let's just say the beginning of the game was easier than I've ever had.
One bit of constructive criticism with the overlay (which is awesome information to have as a viewer), it seems like the stats are in a different order for your pokemon vs the opponent. I'm colorblind, so I have no idea which is special defense and which is defense on the opposing pokemon. You put a ton of work into these. Thanks for the content!
It goes
HP
Attack
Defense
Special Attack
Special Defense
Speed
@@RandomLombax37 The other order is
HP Speed
Att Sp. Att
Def Sp. Def
Speed being above or below the special stats is a bit confusing.
Dude, apart from the one speedrunner I've watched for years, you are the only person I consistently watch play through the same games repeatedly.
I still love the content, so it keeps me coming back.
Well I'm glad the videos keep you coming back! Makes me happy to know I'm doing something right when making these.
This video has so much hype. I can't wait for the Gen3 Pseudo-4-Way.
Good Pokémon pics this video is going to be fun!
Man how cute is this dragonite-graphic!? A chunky, friendly little dragon. Great as always scott, enjoy the holidays
Dragonite is so cute
Honestly, dropping Crunch(effective 120 power) seemed a bit of an odd choice to, since it's comparable-enough to Return against everything except Fighting and Bug pokemon(aka, what Hidden Power Fly is meant to deal with) and would be super-effective against Espeon, so less potentially less Mudslaps to deal with.
EDIT: The potential for debuffing is also a nice bonus of Crunch.
Also, for Morty, using dig which takes 2 turns at 120 power seemed like not as good of a choice as using bite at 180 power since the ghosts have a low so def too
@@KylestyleTV Yeah, Bite's generally a better choice than Dig, but ya gotta factor in Special Attack vs Special Defense, rather than Attack vs Defense, which may affect the comparison
Crunch at 80 power(effectively 120 base; 240 vs weaknesses) would definitely make up the gap to *destroy* Psychic and Ghost types.
@@InfernosReaper yeah phone auto corrected SP Def to "so def". With their low SP def, bite shoulda been slightly* faster
@@KylestyleTV that ghost's special defense is slightly higher than their physical. the physical attack of the attacker is higher than their physical defense.
It looks like those gaps enough to make Dig and Bite about equal on paper, with Bite winning out overall for time, depending on stat experience.
Crunch, on the other hand is so strong that there is not s contest.
TTAR
4:04 -- LOL I love the look on that Lapras when you call out Misty has ice moves
Gosh Scott, you are pumping out content like no one I've seen!!
You deserve success on UA-cam
It's been so cool to see the growth since I started watching a couple years ago
Anyways, I hope you and your fiance are doing well..she's the same type as venemoth if I'm not mistaken?
Ghost, ice type is OP!!
I distinctively remember learning about Twister hitting Pokémon flying up in the air and Earthquake dealing double damage when a Pokémon is underground with Dig in Earl's class in Pokémon Stadium 2. Twenty-odd years ago.
...crap, I feel old.
great video as always. just noticed what looks like a bug with your software. at 24:48 when teaching hidden power the icon displayed is ground but in the next cut this is flying as it should. also the mechanics for burn should be implemented differently (referencing the snorlax video here.) burn halves the power of all physical moves as opposed to halving the attack stat, so instead of 500 atk turning to 250, double edge's power should be 90 instead of 180. possibly a trivial detail, but considering the depth of implementation with gen 1 paralysis, it could be a good thing to add.
The stat shown on the screen is the stat the internal memory is recording. Burn halves the attack stat.
Dragonite is my favorite pokemon so im rooting for him. But no matter what im sure you always try to be fair scott. And i appreciate that. Happy holidays.
Thanks for the chuckle at 26:09
Plus, the idea of Tyranitar wearing a pink bow makes me smile
Great video once again Scott!
About the one-shot on Umbreon, I instantly think of Herracross Megahorn? Sure, 85% accuracy but still, 120 power super effective STAB move with high attack? :-)
Dratini vs larvitar would be adorable hehe. Love the vs videos its like 2 in 1!
2 of my favorite pokemon of all time (Dragonite #1) this is one of my favorite videos ever. Nice work! @scott
Thanks!
Would be cool to see Metagross vs Salamence in Emerald.
Planned
Thank you so much this is the best Christmas present evere thank you I love you're videos they are really fun. You could try fools gold if you ever get bored of Pokemon crystal. merry Christmas
You're welcome. Merry Christmas!
YOOOW! MY FAVORITE POKEMON VS POSSIBLY THE STRONGEST POKEMON IN REGARDS TO COMPETITIVE! I'M HYPED!
I was a little confused why you weren't using Bite on Ttar's first playthrough against Morty, since even if your SpA. was 3/4 of you Att, the move base power was 50% higher and took fewer turns. Similar with Ice Punch vs HP Ground on Jasmine's Steelix for Dnite, it's happened a few times now that you've favored Ice over Ground moves against Steelix on first playthroughs. Even so, those battles were simple and it doesn't really change the overall risk. Thinking of the Punches, it's always been weird to me that Ttar got Fire Punch but not Ice Punch or Thunder Punch.
The use of HP Flying to avoid the slowdown of not immediately facing Chuck was well-thought; since you've noticed on a few videos now that he can be a crucial slowdown if you delay him (access to Fly is massive) it might be worth considering accounting for him with HP type on future playthrough optimizations, if moveset diversity allows it. I do think changing this up on the second playthrough hurt Tyranitar's result a fair bit, since it barely struggled with Chuck in the first playthrough; one potential reset there I think would still save more real time.
It's nice to see how the nameless opponent Pokemon from that earlier livestream came to be; every fix in programming is going to lead to at least one new bug. Good that you're able to notice these bugs and fix them, though!
A good performance overall, it's no surprise to me that Dragonite did so well. The S tier is beginning to fill up, I wonder who else will join it going forward.
Ice Punch might have been the right call against Steelix because its defense stat is insane and Ice Punch can freeze while still probably doing similar-ish (probably even more) damage. I think that using Dig against Gengar was a misplay though. Sometimes I think Scott overprioritizes physical moves against Gengar/Alakazam in Gen II because they're so specially bulky in Gen I.
Steelix has the same base defense as Shuckle.
Ice punch would deal more damage than HP ground.
Scott, as a fellow musician, I had a hilarious and thematically relevant idea for your channel.
I think we can all agree that the abbreviation for same type attack bonus being STAB is pretty hilarious. But it's also sort of mundane that it's the only boost with a cool name like that when there's type advantage, and badge boost, and badge type boost from gen 2. Therefore I propose we assign note divisions to the different values:
Obv same type attack bonus is +50% will be either whole or half STAB depending how you wanna do it.
Type Advantage is x2 damage so we call it either whole or Double STAB.
Badge boost and badge type boost each give +12.5% respectively, which would be an eighth STAB. Put both boosts together for +25% and that's a Quarter STAB.
You could even meme it pretty in depth lol. Badge boost plus same type attack bonus would be a dotted Quarter STAB XD
And so on and so forth.
Interesting!
Dragonite learning wing attack at 55 makes sense since that's the level dragonair evolves and actually gets wings
Another thing why not hidden power psychic on tyrannitar it only seemed to need it for fighting types and that's 15 attack ev
Ahhh yes! That does make sense
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon the small difference probably would have made you need slightly less training in a few spots and you might have not needed to use a rare candy early either
HP flying couldve been a mistake overall. That 15 DV mightve given some more favourable ranges in a few cases, though the consistency might be problematic. TTar also has good special options, so maybe that could be the necessary tech for him to improve even more, at least throughout Johto.
DNite seems pretty much optimised on the other hand!
Great vid!
I did check other hidden power types but not consciously thinking about the damage ranges because of the attack DV. I'll keep that in mind in the future.
Just started the vid, voted for Dragonite so here's hoping 🤞 also don't know if you know diamond/pearl/platinum that well but flygon vs garchomp with phys/spec split could be fun or teddiursa/ursaring vs munchlax/snorlax would be good, love the vids man 🤘
I’m betting on my boy Dragonite, because cmon, it’s Dragonite and there’s a fighting type gym for Tyranitar to get mauled by
Really happy Dragonite got that win hehe. I'm glad! But yea, this was a close match-up! Good work Scott! But yea, the random chance of going through Red is not easy.
The amount of entertainment you and your team are producing is astounding. just make sure you don't burnout... thanks
FInished all the production for the year yesterday. I'm on vacation now :D
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon good to hear!
Great content as always! Thanks! Kairyu/Dragonite has been my favourite mon since gen1 xD Cheers!
Great video
Next Pseudo Legendary Match: Metagross vs Garchomp
Let’s make it happen!
Merry Christmas Scott!
Dragonite proving why he's dominate. My favorite of all time. Great video, Scott.
To be fair the DVs didn't suffer like TTars
That timeskip edit at 19:34 was superb. Looked like Ethan just ran past the hiker saying "I don't have time for you."
I'm ready for this >:)
14:16 still better luck than when I did my Tyranitar playthrough. When I faced Whitney, what did Clefairy roll with Metronome? Cross Chop! (Yes, it hit)
Omg that’s brutal. She did get Perish Song against me once!
Speaking of your overlay, I'm curious: have you thought about adding damage range calculation to the individual moves to show in real time what the effects of BP+stats+enemy turns out to be? I realise it would probably reduce the delta between initial play and optimisation, but it seems very natural as an extension of what you've already done.
Yes. I have already written functions to do this. In 2023 at some point I’ll show exact damage ranges in the 2nd playthrough portion of the video. First playthroughs will still be done this way because I don’t want to take all the mystery out of things.
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Cool! I've definitely wondered in cases where, for example, there's a neutral move with high stat vs. super effective with low stat. Or the cases where the defensive stats come into play. Anyway, something to look forward to; the best Pokémon overlay is just getting better!
Both did extremely well! Being a Dragonite fan, I have to say that I am very happy especially after seeing how it wasn't as good in Gen 1 for solo challenges.
tyranitar is in my top 3 of all pokemon
dragonite is somwhere in the 10-15 range. Pog video
can you implement the physical/special split in these earlier games it might provide very different results
I used both these Pokemon in my Scarlett playthrough and they are both fantastic, Tyranitar has one of my all time favorite designs. Also I nicknamed my Dragonite Stormfly, think it suits it well
Yessssssss let’s go my boy TTAR!!!!! Hopefully he pulls out the win
The later generations Dragonite really shines with the physical special split. Great coverage and can utilize its good attack stat finally.
I notice the S tier filling up a bit. My guess is that it ends up with only 3 Pokémon in the end though. I remember you saying you wanted to redo the box art legends when you got better at the game, so I predict Lugia and Ho-Oh get optimized on a replay to be clearly a tier above the current S tier. Then you do Mewtwo and it beats both of them. The psychic nerf won't really hurt Mewtwo until gen 3 (darn you Poochyena!!!) since no dark type Pokémon appear in the game until after Mewtwo has a move to hit them. It's faster and hits harder than the birds making it's inferior (but honestly still pretty good) bulk rather a moot point.
If I remember from the Randomizer Speed Runner vs. Nuzlockers, the Gyarados is an easy catch since it shows off the new Shiny mechanic.
The Tyranitar back sprite is so nostalgic.
Would you consider doing this playthrough again in HGSS? I am curious as to how the physical special split would effect results.
You did the eeveelutions for Pokémon Yellow, will you be doing the Legendary Dogs comparison for Crystal Version?
I will be!
Did you try to use the Curse + Detect strategy against Venusaur? I think it might work out pretty well to block solar beam and let you one-shot everything else (maximum of 1 mud slap taken).
Pretty sure Blastoise ruined my day because it outspeeds
For Dragonite, would it be worth it to learn surf for the Price and Jasmine, then use the Move Deleter to remove it for Return before Claire? I am not sure if it would be a time loss or not.
ice and thunder has always been known for perfect type coverage
Ah, Godzilla vs Destroyah, can't wait :)
I'd have gone with King Ghidorah, but that's clearly Hydreigon. Mothra of course being Volcarona... You totally have a potential series here, man.
Or Venomothra...
@@GerBessa The legendary poison fairy pokemon? Too epic to contemplate...
That first run with Dragonite was laughably lucky, so many clutch misses, timely freezes and favorable AI choices...Then finally at the end Red comes along and says, "..." and puts Dragonite back to the spot it probably should've been at the entire time. Yet Dragonite's luck eventually came back and carried through the final battle.
That’s why I’ve always got to do multiple runs!
Lol This reads like you're personally offended that Tyranitar didn't win.
Broooo Christmas came early hell yeah!! If you still ha e trouble with a nickname for your next challenge just name it Dustin. Like a fuckin beauty 😎
One of my fav runs you have done! I used them both, a 2 man team from Dratini and Larvitar to full evolve to beat crystal it wasn’t as easy as I thought. And you did it solo. But what really gets me is when clefairy uses Megahorn it occurred to me why don’t the Johto gym leaders only uses Gen 2 Pokémon like Gen 3. Never bothered me until then lol imagine Bugsy with a Heracross! Lol
Also if I'm remembering gen 2 Ai correctly from crystal kaizo. The Ai will roll the damage for all it's moves then choose the one that does the highest damage. So for instance when the miltank used stomp, the game rolled a Crit for the stomp and checked it against a non-crit rollout. Then it picked stomp, but because it Crit on the test it was really unlikely to Crit when actually used.
It does check the rolls, but Im not sure if it considers crits. I’ll have to look into that.
Wow Scott just what I expected it would be! You know what? I even expected Dragonite to be the winner but I also knew Tyranutar would have an excellent performance! I gotta say, this clash's got be the most exciting until now! Even better than the Eevee's evolutionary line competition, by the way Scott, I 'd like to congratulate you because you are improving more and more at each challenge you do! Man it doesn't even look like you started doing content just about 2 years ago, you are performing greatly, I like you even more than more experienced poketubers like mdrybread and Jrose! You are outstanding!!! I'm a big fan of your job as a Pokemon content creator! I just long to see your next job! Thank you so much, this race between these two titans made my night a lot more fun, really, I didn't even watch time go by... When it was ending finally I couldn't believe it was already 1 hour past, that is such a cool sensation, time just flew by... Dude, I do recognize you as one of the best Pokemon content creators! Congratulations 👏! Keep up the good job, already now brilliant! Good luck, your future sounds really promising... Go ahead! 👊🏻 Ever expecting great performances from you, a pretty decent professional! Until later!🤙
Thank you so much for the kind words Anderson. I always look forward to your positive comments. Thanks for brightening my day!
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon wow that's really good, Scott! It sure makes me glad! Let me just say I really say what I do believe, I'm sure you've got lots of fans man! I wish you a great end of year and a wonderful happy new year! Btw, I liked your gift so much! Delibird did shine today!
Ayoooooo that's crazy I literally had a thought about this run 2 days ago. 😭😭
Great video as always Scott! Although I do think having a maxed out hidden power of your choosing makes these runs slightly less challenging/entertaining. Would be interesting to see a pokemon overcome challenges such as Claire without just being given hidden power ice base power 70. Gen 2 (other than facing red) is easy enough without manipulating the DVs to get the perfect hidden power. Could start comparing runs with and without hidden power see if there’s a major difference (you hinted at that in this video at the end r.e. Ho-oh and Lugia). Would be interesting to see who is the best pokemon in the game in normal circumstances!
I’ll be banning hidden power in the new year. I think it’s sort of run it’s course and is becoming over centralized in the runs now.
I have no idea how your pumping these videos out daily, I hope youtube is paying you well lol
We started working on all this at the start of November! That’s how ;)
15:37 "But yeah, if _could_ use it, in that case, it would deal double damage~."
Something about how "double damage" is said with that rising intonation is charmingly pleasant.
25:23. This summarizes why they were like "no, you WAIT until later to get a Lavitar. You're going to get cooked."
It would be cool if in future vs video's it would be cool if the rivals starter Pokemon is the the other mon in the race and with the move's you had at that point in the race, that being said that could be more effort than it's worth to set that up.
26:16 technically if the remakes are correct, that is Lance's Dragonite harassing the rocket employee. Also, Dennis!