Charizard vs Typhlosion - Pokemon Crystal
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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Hi everyone, and welcome back to another installment of "Both of these two pokemon can learn mud-slap, but Gligar can not!"
*cries in gligar*
As well as earthquake.
Gligar the worst bat pokemon
Welcome to Jackass!
Technically it can though through 100%ing stadium 2
I'll never get tired of Lance's introduction, with the 3 Dragonite's just appearing like Hiya!
Yeah, that’s my favourite intro! I had so much fun making it.
3 inappropriately leveled Dragonites at that.
*Champion Lance won't stop talking.
35:24
You are doing less damage because you used the pinkbow in the first fight and the paracureberry in this fight. (Which you obviously know, just a tiny oversight)
I waited so long for this video and I was not disappointed. You played both so well and it was incredibly neck and neck. I am beyond ecstatic that my boy Typhlosion won and made it into S tier. Thanks for all your hard work and can't wait for the next one.
P.s. Would love to see all three Johto starters do a back port playthrough of yellow version to see how they do in Kanto.
3:47 In the game's canon (he says it at least once, maybe two or three times), Falkner got his Pidgey and Pidgeotto from his dad. However he got the lvl9 Pidgeotto, it was probably his dad that caught it. He even says after you defeat him "Darn, my dad's cherished bird pokemon"
I really like the attitude to mistakes and optimisations that are pointed out in the comments.
It sounds like "Yup, I made an oopsie." Nothing big, but it is adressed. Example, the Sprout Tower referenced repeatedly.
Happy to see my boy Typhlosion. I have fond memories of playing Crystal as a kid and steamrolling through the league with him. With Flame Wheel, Earthquake, and Thunder punch, nothing even slowed him down until Lance. He's still one of my favorite starters to date, even though he's way worse in HG/SS because of the Special split and not getting Thunder Punch.
And Charizard struggled exactly where I expected, Lance with his Gyarados and Aerodactyl. Rock Slide on a fast Mon is just devastating for him, and he didn't have an electric move to easily take out Gyarados.
Absolutely LOVED this video!
As I said in the Meganum/Venusaur video, Charizard does get Flamethrower much earlier than Typhlosion, but doesn't get ThunderPunch, so the drake will melt through a lot of the game but will likely struggle with Water-types more.
As for base stats being identical...y'know, if I could, I'd alter Charizard's stats to make him more physically-oriented - switch his Atk and Sp. Atk, at least in Gen 4 onwards. The Kanto starters are all primarily special attackers as it is, and Charizard's physical movepool in Gen 4+ is so much wider than his special movepool (not to mention Swords Dance, Dragon Dance, and Belly Drum), so I think turning Charizard into a physical beast is justified.
Just like how I'd turn Sceptile into a physical attacker, too - the physical Leaf Blade being his signature move, along with most of his moves being physical as well, and his design, all scream for his Atk and Sp. Atk to be switched.
Typhlosion was my starter in my first game. The memories of my dear Volcano are coming back.
Wow, I'm honestly surprised the winner won, but I'm glad because I like that pokemon! Very good video Scott, thank you!
Very excited to watch this but still want to suggest that it might be better if the frontend of the overlay would reflect prospective damage ranges on secondary (and later) runs to remove human error when thinking about special vs physical. Lots of love.
Base stats are identical. Typhlosion may have trouble in the first gym. Charizard may have trouble in the...third? The one with the rolling cow. Lance's Aerodactyl needs to go down in one hit or the quadruple-effective Rock Slide is going to wreck Charizard. Poliwrath may give some trouble to Typhlosion, while Charizard may have Wing Attack by then.
On balance I think Typhlosion barely takes it, but I'm rooting for Charizard. Pokemon Red was my first game in the franchise.
I agree with your assessment and prediction. Small note, Typhlosion will have Thunderpunch for Poliwrath, and can also take advantage of it in Pryce's gym and potentially for Kingdra.
About that Milktank is a PITA to fight if you don't kill her in 1 hit using ANY Pokemon including your OWN Milktank if you were do a Milktank only run.
@@veghesther3204 it can get out of control quickly, but not for the first two turns because it's not rock type and rpllput takes a while to build up. So aasumin you're outspeeding, a 3 hit should be fine.
Well in the Gen 2 games I could have Rollout 1 shot 6x LV 30 Pokemon instantly including Quilava itself if you don't beat it in 1 attack but in Crystal you actually would need to put it to sleep/Paralyze it twice due to its held item that cures that effect though Charizard/Typlosion don't really have a easy way to cause those effects to begin with.
it also doesn't help that MOST Starters will be MALE and Milktank will use Attract IF possible.
21:50
Edit: I finished, and I am ALSO excited Ferligatr and Blastioise.
Unrelated, but I have a few versus suggestions/ideas.
1. I want to see a battle between Magmar, Jynx, and Electabuzz in gen 1 (maybe gen 2 as well?)
2. I now want to see who will win? Pikachu vs. Eevee in Crystal.
3. I also want to see which Kanto Eeveelution comes out on top in Crystal, and how they compare to your Umbreon and Espeon results.
Yesterday I was thinking while doing de dishes: "I miss Scotts content..." Hahaha. Maybe I should consume then slowly 😂. Just start watching and, off course, loving it. Thx Scott. U ar helping a community to sustain the love of pokemon game lovers
Typlosion was my Ace when I bought Gold back when it came out. I purchased the Japanese version from a local GameStop and used Flameboi exclusively through the game. I solo’d the game with him using Flamethrower and Flame Wheel because they did big damage through the entire game once I learned them. I could only memorize what potions and poke balls were from the store since I couldn’t read the Japanese. Lol beat the entire game, including Red, with 0 knockouts and no guide. I just grinded enough as I wandered around from area to area. I think I ended the game with him being level 83. Flamethrower, Flame Wheel, Quick Attack, and I think Thunder Punch. It was a really fun experience to beat the game in Japanese before I ever got it in English!
Honestly these play throughs makes me wonder what it'd be like if you back porrted the starters and did a race with in gen 1 with something more like a gen two move set.
I predict Feraligatr. Neither it nor Blastoise have good special attack, so they're bad at attacking within their element. Blastoise wastes a lot of points in special defense in a game where electric and grass don't have terrific representation. Feraligatr has 22 points more attack, equal defense and speed, and a little more hp. Same base stat totals, but Feraligatr is simply optimized better for this environment.
It also starts with a better water move. Teachable moves, where they matter, are the same.
"roll the Whiney intro" I see what you did there
I love Scott’s foreshadowing that sometimes a secondary typing gives you an advantage that pushes you over certain battles and anchors you in others. That’s 100% the case with Charizard. Typholision being a mono fire type with a little coverage gives it a small enough advantage over Charizard which is probably why I favored it over its Gen 1 counterpart.
Really fun video! I suspect that if you were to redo this race in Yellow version (with a back-ported Typhlosion) Charizard would win due to the prevalence of ground types and Earthquake, making the flying type a much stronger asset and without a Thunder punch TM Typhlosion wouldn't quite have the coverage advantage against Charizard. Still, it was very nice to see my favorite starter evolution line do well!
Cannot wait for Feraligatr versus Blastoise. The return of the immensely powerful Gen II Rage will probably give Feraligatr an edge over Blastoise in the early game, but also its stats are just kind of...better. It's really, imo, the first example of a base stat spread that has been tuned up compared to the rest. Also, as an aside, Feraligatr is only the speedrun Pokemon of choice for a little while iirc, they use RNG manip to pivot to Entei later on because well, yeah a Level 40 legendary Fire-type you can catch before Morty would be pretty good.
I don't really have anything to say about the results of the video though. I think I expected Typhlosion to win? There's just less difference between these two than Meganium and Venusaur, and I think Thunderpunch was always going to be the difference maker between the two. The really high times between these two and Ho-Oh do suggest to me that Fire-types are probably positioned pretty well in Gen II as a whole, but we don't really have the data for it like we do in Gen I.
I just checked and Feraligatr is still the top pick for speed running the entire game for both the English and Japanese records.
I'm excited for your 6th generation butterfly battle: butterfree vs beautifly vs vivillon coming soon several years from now.
pretty close match up.Goes to show that even with same base stats, having a different type & movepool make a huge difference (in terms of effectiveness and time)
looking forward to Krunch vs Ninja Turtle
Happy for typhlosion's results. Good work.
Great video Scott. Can't wait for the water starters brawl
I recently did a playthrough of Crystal on my 3DS with a Typhlosion. I was super lucky to get a full power hidden power ice DV Typhlosion, which was absolutely amazing to play with! That is definitely the best combo for Typhlosion in Gen 2!
Awesome video again Scott!
Have you ever had an Arepa?
What is that?
Can’t wait for Spinarak and Ledyba😂 They should really be able to do the Johto side quite easily, but can they defeat Red? Not sure.
Access to Thunderpunch is what pushes Typlosion over the edge and, honestly, makes it one of the most powerful starters in the series. It's funny how it and Ferigator are just really fucking good, so Megainum looks that much worse in comparsion. (I wouldn't say it's as good as Swampert, or Prernima or Skeledirge but I would put it in top 10 of best starters for a single player adventure) But yeah, lack of it really hurts Charizard. Elemental punchs in gen 2, despite only having 70 base power, showcase just how powerful type coverage is.
Not in Gen 4 and beyond tho when Thunder Punch became physical, making it pretty much useless if you aren't overleveled, while Gen 2 Feraligatr is not very good overall thanks to being a physical Water type...
I'm curious about designing a script for tier lists... where do you get the assets that you use for it?
My Prediction as I haven't watched very far into the video yet, Charizard will probably win, Even though Typhlosion has a much better move pool yet again, Charizard gets flamethrower 26 levels earlier which I feel will be a big difference maker but we will see...
Edit: *Spoilers* I have finished the Video and I'm happy to say I was mistaken. Don't get me wrong I like Charizard, but Typhlosion is my favorite starter Pokémon. Not only that but Charizard is game freaks favorite child alongside Pikachu (two megas and a gmax form). I thought the flamethrower difference was huge but it didn't matter when it came to coverage, although I bet that was the reason they were so close. Looking forward to the next video. Also fun fact I accidentally misspelled Charizard while typing this comment and its actually an option on spell check and no I never added it to my dictionary.
Pre vid i vote for Typhlosion
I LOVE YOU MATE im just going to sleep its my last vid before it and i got 3 amazing news...
1 Typhlosion > Charizard
2 Charizard > Venusaur
3 Venusaur demoted a rank!
Late to this, loved it, but I can’t help but feel the hidden power choice for charizard was wrong. I feel hidden power electric would have significantly helped charizard more than hp: ice. While it would make lance slightly less reliable, it helps more against will thanks to slowbro, still good against the biggest threat in lances team, aerodactyl, helps massively against every gyarados and water starter and the charizard mirror match
Cant wait for the feraligatr run!!!
Legends arcues made me like typhlosion a lot more. I love my baked ghost badger.
On both pokemons' second run, I would argue that they completed the challenge at 71; the level 72 was gained only after beating all of Red's pokemon, and so did not have any use at that level.
That’s not how I have been counting level at completion until this point. Gotta stay consistent
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon That's fair!
I think the dragonairs were sent in against charizard as it sees thunderwave as an electric move
When I first played Gen 2, I took Cyndaquil as my starter and as I evolved and learned new moves, I got flame wheel and the option to learn fire punch and to be honest I will over the moon excited because I was like: At least I didn't have to go through Gen 2 with only Ember, Fire Spin, Flamethrower and Fire Blast. It was such a relief.
Excellent video
You mentioned that pidgey wouldn't use tackle because mud slap would do more damage, but tackle should be boosted by STAB so, shouldn't he be using that?
I’m glad my fave out of these two won
I can’t wait for the hoenn battle royal between the three fire starters I feel like Charizard will dominate
You can try:
Venasaur
(Cut Razorleaf Megadrain Solarbeam)
Fearow
(Fly Akyattack Hyperbeam Drillpeck)
Gravler
(Dig Earthquake Rocktrow Seimictoss)
Kadabra
(Confusion Psybeam Psychic Recover)
Jolteon
(Thunderbolt Doublekick PinMissile Shockwave)
Lapras
(BodySlam Strength Surf IceBeam)
For game.
These came to me after I have thought of how the Rock type move is a nearly perfect counter to Pokémon that give Grass types a challenge (Rock is a Super Effective to Flying, Ice, Bug, Fire, and neutral to Grass or Poison) so these Pokémon using or having these moves in my imagination just formed.
I think you should do a porygon 2 play through. It’s got good stats and great coverage moves it can learn
Couldn't the move Curse help Charizard out?
I feel HP Electric would have been better for Charizard. Essentially doing the same thing thunder punch did for Typhlosion.
Waiting for pikachu vs eevee
pidgeys tackle does more damage bcuz of stab on neutral targets than a super effective mud slap
Wow good job Typhosion 👏
Thanks for the videos
Welcome!
Everyone says how lance hyper beamed a person but no one says how the hyper beam of a level 50 pseudo legend did not destroy the house
In the anime the hydropump of the level 30 red gyarados went from Lake of rage to mahogany town
I always name my charizard spicy pork because charizard is basically chorizo with extra steps
I'm surpised the sunny day + flamethrower wouldn't do more damage than return [45:16]
Edit: It looked like your overly didn't modify your damage with weather up, so I think flamethrower would've had better damage.
I just ran it through a calculator and you’re correct. With sun on the field, Flamethrower does slightly more damage to Blastoise than Return even before you add the Charcoal.
Your channel really sets itself apart from other Pokemon challenges by digging into every single detail of the run, the quirks of the region and your route. Always keeps me engaged, great work as always!
Absolutely. Scott’s attention to detail really shows. It’s very clear to me that he doesn’t just explore every possibility because he wants to do it, but because he HAS to do it.
The attention to detail and overall thoroughness are so refreshing when compared to something like jrose's hour-long infoless whine-a-tons.
I didn't realize how much earlier Charizard gets access to Flamethrower than Typhlosion, though it may not be as crucial since both get access to Fire Punch early on. Typhlosion has an additional advantage of having access to Thunderpunch, and Charizard's flying type could prove to be a liability.
I predict another Hidden Power Rock for both in the second playthrough (which is becoming my favorite hidden power, it's use case is so niche and unique!). Oh, and Gligar might be quietly crying in the corner again..
Honestly I think it might have been better against the Gyarados in the run than HP Ice, and maybe the dragonite? Idk
Gligar struggling w HP ground... 😢
Funny enough, if he started out as their first form and evolved them charizard wouldn't even get flamethrower unless he used the move tutor
It was a pretty close match, but I honestly can’t wait for Feraligatr vs Blastoise! I can’t wait to see you show the full power of them at least better than how the rivals used them.
Water gun is so good.
The lack of physical/special split is a big advantage for Typhlosion in generation 2 since the elemental punches are still special-based.
I think the same contest in generation 4 might turn out in favor of Charizard, albeit still being pretty close.
I know it’s probably at least a year or two away, but I’m excited for when we start getting Gen 4 runs, seeing how the split affects strategies, move pools, and overall rankings of different Pokémon
Typhlosion will get Eruption in Gen IV which might help it hit really hard.
@@snakeywakey3893 Fire Blast + scope lens is a pretty good alternative that you can get pretty early in every gen 4 game
and charizard has a double rock weakness to rock and got a electric weakness atop of the weakness it already has
Compared to Typhlosion
At Level 57, so not really.
Scott's thumbnail art don't miss
Aura Sphere moment
Kowtow Cleave moment as well
This brings back memories. When Gen2 first came out, a friend of mine got his copy of silver before i ever got a gen2 game. He didnt bother reading any of the text, didnt know what to do or where to go and got stuck right at the beginning before even the first rival fight.He thought "maybe i need to train more to continue". Blasting through the first few trainers and gyms with a lvl 37 Typhlosion certainly was an experience.
Aw, I like Flame Wheel. As someone who generally picks Cyndaquil, Flame Wheel is a really cool and fun move. Shame the elemental punch-out circuit is just better.
I think it’s awesome seeing just how much better you’ve gotten at Crystal, especially how much of an impact it makes cutting out Sprout Tower and memorizing the dark areas without Flash. It’s very cool seeing you improve so much at routing.
I will say though, while I don’t know if this would’ve been better, I’m surprised you didn’t make use of the Defense Curl + Rollout strategy with Typhlosion to beat Lance in the first solo. Obviously HP Ice is way better for the Dragonite in the second solo, but that caught me by surprise. (Also I think it’s really funny that Charizard learns Defense Curl, but not Rollout)
I'm only at the first playthrough with charizard, but wouldn't flamethrower do more damage in the sun than return
I noticed you’re defaulting to Return instead of using Flamethrower even when it’s obvious the latter is the better move. Could I ask why that is?
I'm rooting for Typhlosion! despite it not really being super great, it's my favorite starter line. Silver was my fav game growing up and out of the many times I played most were starting with Cyndaquil.
I really think you were misplaying on the Red fight, for example using return on snorlax when sunny day was still up. In fact, im pretty sure sunny day boosted flamethrower would actually do more damage to Blastoise than return, Blastoise has similar defenses but Charizard's SPA is like 250ish compared to its 200 attack. Maybe you can do a quick follow up video? Or maybe after you finish with all 6 starters you can do an addendum video.
This race was just too close for comfort and i think we need to get scientific and careful with this run 😅
Love these videos, looking forward to the water starters.
However I think you possibly could've lowered Charizards time with Hidden Power electric. You said yourself in the conclusion the it lacked the coverage against water types in comparison to Typhlosion with Thunder Punch.
It would have been good in the league as well against the Xatus and while not as good as Hidden Power ice against Lance, it would've helped against the Aerodactyl and the Charizard and with the usage of the rare candies beforehand, Dragon Breath probably would've handled the Dragonites.
And obviously against Blue's Gyarados and Red's Blastoise it would have been great as well.
19:54 - Incorrect. You can buy and use a Pokedoll to escape the Red Gyarados. The game acts as if you defeated it.
I wonder if Charizard could utilize Hidden power electric or grass and Dragonbreath to get through some of the tougher fights.
Yeah same, at least with hidden power grass it will get a slight boost if he still uses sunny day to counter the rain dance.
Grass moves don't get any buffs in sun
@@jameswhite2308 nah? We’ll never mind then haha
You are a master of your craft sir. But I have to admit... I'm the most excited for Blastoise VS Feraligatr. I love me some Water starters!
I always thought it weird that a Pokémon learns a move its weak against.. like seriously doesnt digging underground harm a capable fire Pokémon lol
Glad that Typhlosion won. Typhlosion was my first pokemon ever so I have a special place in my heart for the Cyndaquil line in general. Glad that my all time favorite starter did such a good job in my first ever pokemon game. Access to Thunder Punch makes a big difference since that coverage for water types is so useful. This was a great watch and please keep up the great work. Can't wait to see Feraligatr and Blastoise having their showdown against each other.
Typhlosion didn't actually win,he just fcked up some things on his charizard playthrough
Overall, Fire type is much better in Johto (Gen 2) than in Kanto, since they do not have many struggles as they do in Kanto (Gen 1), like Lorelei's Lapras, Lance's Gyarados, Yellow Giovanni, Misty, and Champion's Sandslash and Cloyster, relying on STAB Fire Blast for those that learn Flamethrower late or cannot learn Flamethrower, like Arcanine and Moltres, having move puddles for some, like Flareon and even Moltres, and having very middling Special for most Fire types except for Ninetales, Flareon, and Moltres.
In Johto, they resist Ice, have better Special Attack than in Gen 1 except for Ninetales (Nerf), Moltres (Same), Rapidash (Same), and Flareon (Nerf), have better access to Flamethrower at slightly earlier levels for some Fire types, and their weaknesses are not as problematic or exploitable as they were in Gen 1 other than Water types. There's not a lot of Earthquake or Rock Slide users in Gen 2 compare to later Gens, where teams have far better diverse movesets. The matchups in Johto are way better for Fire types than Grass types, since Fire hits at least neutral or Super Effective against everyone but Clair and Lance.
As for the runs themselves, coverage is the name of the game for Typhlosion. Thunder Punch is the main thing it has over Charizard's Flying type. Thunder Punch really helps against Water types, allowing it to run Hidden Power Ice for Lance. And, there's no major trainer that uses a Water/Ground type until Gen 3, where Hidden Power Grass would be an option for Fire types. Charizard not having Thunder Punch hurts, since it would have to choose either HP Electric for the Water types or HP Ice for the Dragonites. Still, both of them have a very good time for Johto thanks to their overall matchups in Johto. I wonder how will the Water starters fare. Water is a consistently excellent type throughout the series.
I have a general question:
Do you think there is something like a perfect speed base stat for this type of format? One per game of course. Im asking this myself since Jolteon who kind of has.. too much, considering that each stat is kind of a tradeoff for a different one, and there are only so many pokemon you can outspeed.
In gen 1 that would be different because of the critical hit rate. But ultimately there seem about 5 pokemon that speedcheck you in the higher speed levels being Alakazam of Sabrina, Dugtrio and maybe persian of giovanni, gengar of agatha and aerodactyl of the champ. Maybe Arcanine of blane.
And some fights like Raichu against surge you rarely outspeed anyway because there is not much stat experience yet and you are underleveled.. which rarely ever matters at all.
So depending on how much you care about each of these it feels like more than .. maybe 80 speed base stat is wasted.
I dont know as much about other regions yet ( not even this video so far, that comes down the line )
I feel like at the end we need to make an adjustment to the S Tier. It’s clear that there’s a ton of really good Pokémon now, but I always feel like tier lists should follow a normal distribution. Maybe
"And this is nice, because with my Rare Candies..."
Good to hear a plan come together.
How about instead of HIDDEN POWER "Ice" give Charizard an "Electric" one??
I'm going to guess Charizard will win this one because of just how soon he gets Flamethrower and a slightly more diverse move pool. However, Typhosion gets access to Thunder Punch to deal with water types and Rollout to deal with fire types. Honestly, Typhlosion has the home turf advantage. But if this were re-calculated with egg moves, Charizard would probably steamroll through the game rather quickly with Rock Slide and Bite to deal with Gastly rather quickly. Time will tell how these two ferocious flaming beasts will fair in a race against time and two entire regions of Pokémon.
Edit: The end result is still quite interesting with how evenly matched both of them are. With Typhlosion having the advantage of thunder punch and hidden power ice. It is nutty just how reliant Pokemon are in gen 2 having access to both ice and electric coverage.
There's a reason "Boltbeam" is such a hallowed combo in Pokemon
Too bad Typhlosion doesn't get Eruption until Gen IV. I think that would be a big help for it since it is fast and can hit really hard.
I'm going to make a bold call and say that Typhlosion wins purely because of Thunderpunch
also, non-volatile status conditions persist when a pokemon switches out (unless the pokemon with it has natural cure, but that's only in later gens)
It’s good to see that Typhlosion was better in its debut generation but it’s without question charizard has been better overall over the years….
Aside from megas and gmax forms…. The ground immunity is clutch… it does have 4x rock weakness as trade off but then there’s heavy duty boots and most rock moves are inaccurate….
Typhlosion gets eruption and likes to b in sun to boost even further… however charizard has solar power and hits even harder with more reliable fire type moves like flamethrower as main fire stab….
It’s flying type helped it heaps in gen 9 with max airstream boosting its already good speed… both get solarbeam for coverage.. flying stab is kinda redundant otherwise as a secondary stab since fire already hits grass and bug for super effective…. Being able to hit fighting types is cool I guess
Damn you must be young, because for most years Charizard was considered absolute trash, because of it's 4x Rock Weakness. There are even a whole 4 Generations between Stealth Rocks appearing and the Invention of heavy Duty Boots alone!
Only in the recent Gens, with Gamefreak putting so much more attention exclusively into buffing Charizard more than anything else, did it start to see any play in competitive Pokémon.
And even in Charizards debut game, everyone knew that Picking the Fire starter was playing hard Mode~
So why are you showing Tackle and Scratch being equal while telling everyone they are not?
Wouldn't Charizard be more consisent with hp electric instead?🤔
That would take better care of Gyarados, Blastoise, Red's Charizard and Aeodactyl
The Dragonite’s with Thunder Wave need an answer or resets will happen on Lance. The Gyarados isn’t that bad because of its love for spamming Rain Dance. Plus HP Electric tanks the HP DV
I know charizard and typhlosion have the same base stats but I freaking love typhlosion.
I thought Typhlosion would win, but didn't think it would be just this close. Really great runs by both! I am extra excited for the next video, though, as I'm partial to the water starters.
I think Charizard would have done better with Hidden Power Electric? Charizard already has Dragon Pulse for Claire and Lance's dragons and Hidden Power Electric could have dealt with the bulky late game water types such as Gyrados and Blastoise.
The only possible other thing I could’ve thought for Blastoise and Charizard would have been to get the solar beam TM from route 27 and use it in combination with sunny day and see if that would want her Theo Blastoise but really good video and I am happy that typholysion won!
Charizard doesn’t get Solar Beam in Gen 2.
Before I watch I am going for fire badger 🦡 🔥 🤘🏽🤙🏽
I think you should do this challenge again, but you start with first form base form then evolving the pokemon at correct level
Seems like cheating as your starting with very strong pokemon
Normally you have weaker base form
That’s just not how I do these videos.
Ironic in future gens, Charizard does get Thunderpunch but not in original Gen 2. Weird but funny too. At least this was a great video!
Yeah early gen move sets are weird like that.
It's kind of wild that Charizard isn't compatible with Thunder Punch in Gen 2 but is in the remakes. He got it in Platinum and has been compatible with it since.
Maybe they realized how badly he needs it!
Another incredible set of runs. I had a feeling Charizard would run into more problems due to it's typing and not having quite the moveset diversity Typhlosion has. Once again, though, excellent job!
I bred a rattata with flame wheel because I thought that was awesome. Thank you gold/silver game guide. The only one I’ve ever had and I used the heck out of that thing! I bred everything!! And reread everything over and over and over again. Probably the reason why i have the type chart memorized even now
I would guess typhlosion as the winner, pretty sure its got a better learnset and I feel the flying typing will be a detetriment to charizard
Impressive performance by my boy Typhlosion! The Cyndaquil line has always been my favourite fire starter, my only negative against it is that I've always liked Quilava's design more than Typhlosion, but it is what it is. Looking forward to a Cyndaquil run some day!
As I got older and learned about the various mechanics of the Pokémon games, I was always surprised that fire was a special type and not a physical type, though I'm not sure why. Could argue either way really!
Scott youre the best thanks for the content man
I am pick Typhlosion basically because of thunder punch and lacking the flying type. Charizard has the same abysmal matchup vs Lance that Ho-oh had without the massive attack to help out. One has half of Lance’s team to worry about while the other has basically return for the entire team. Unless Typhlosion loses so much time elsewhere which I don’t really see I doubt Charizard in the first playthrough can pull it off.
Agreed. Pretty sure everyone has beaten gen 2 with just typlosion and a water pokemon
Do you think hidden power electric would have been a boon to charizard for opponents like gyarados and blastoise? I realize you give up some power with hp ice against dragon types, but it seems like the water types were slightly more problematic that I’m curious if hp electric would have smoothed that out.
HP electric tanks the HP DV makes Clair and Lance less consistent and Blue’s Gyarados isn’t really a threat. It might help against Red’s Blastoise but I already had the sunny day strat for that, so I didn’t think it was a good choice.
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon thank you for the insight. Keep up the good work. I’ve been really enjoying your content.
The fire starters are my favourite,and in particular Typhlosion and Charizard,😊 which made me feel rooting for them both.
These results were surprising me quite a lot, I thought that having a secondary type usually is better,but I guess that the last 2 videos were proving the point that not all secondary types are an advantage. But I think that charizard was dominating the early game because of its early access to flamethrower and to a flying move . But Typhlosion had the right coverage for each major battle . But if that match was held in gen 4 the results were really different.🤔
For now, I'm not sure if Feraligatr would win this one because it's more of a physical attacker , but blastoise has not so good moves in terms of level up . But I assume that these two will have similar results . One thing is for sure I'm really excited for this.😊
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