In gen 2, the only mons that resist both fire and dark are Poliwrath, the Houndoom line, and Tyranitar. So yeah, quite the small pool of worthy opponents.
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon I was honestly thinking I had that wrong lol. I commented something similar regarding Skull Bash on a Gen 1 run thinking it buffed defense for the badge boost, but that defense buff didn't start until Gen 2 (learn something new everyday). I'm def not the expert on early gen games, so I confuse a lot of those things with later incarnations. Edit: I guess I should add it didn't matter at all on the 2nd higher level playthrough. Food for though for other Feint Attack users (maybe Sneasel???). Though I think Sneasel will STRUGGLE, poor thing.
Thankyou Scott for making such long and detailed videos. I just basically did cardio for an hour just watching this. Helps alot cause there's too many pokemon videos that are super short so flicking through videos that interest me is taxing and distracting.
Yeah, flicking through short videos is something I personally hate. I want something at least 30 minutes that is engaging. Glad my content is functioning this way for you! Thanks for the comment Jacob.
Houndoom is absolutely my favorite Pokémon, and I was fortunate to use it when I played Silver back in 2002, mainly for Red's Espeon. And at that time I also had a Rottweiler called Rocky and she was a female, so now in any game Houndoom is available, I always catch a female Houndoom, name her Rocky and add her to my team ❤️ thanks for doing this video of a very special Pokémon to me! (Since Obviously Rocky passed away a while ago)
My lady houndooms shall be Rocky forever more now. Your pupper will be immortalized in so many more runs, because Houndoom is also one of my favorite pokemon.
Yeah, I knew various stat calculations involved taking the floor, but was unaware of how that created optimal levels for damage rounding, or that it was due to performance issues doing floating-point math on the Gane Boy. Or that Gen 2 *also* has a (less abusable) badge-boost glitch. I appreciate Scott's little peeks under the hood. For all the janky bugs and poor design decisions in Gens 1 & 2, I really admire what they did with the limited hardware. Even sexist decisions like using the Attack DV to determine a pokemon's gender¹ were creative ways to allow pokemon to be traded to RBY and back again, without flipping gender or changing Hidden Power type. ¹rather than mapping an Attack DV of 00-07 to female, 08-15 to male (for a pokemon with 1:1 gender ratio), they could have used the four DVs' least significant bits, similar to how Hidden Power is calculated.
dark-fire has to be one of the coolest rare type combinations. The only roadblock I can think of is maybe Chuck because of Houndoom's low defense + super-effective fighting attacks
This is going to be interesting. I know G / S / C aren't as hard to play through as Gen1. But a run with our demon doggo is just great. just a shame it was gated off till post league. Go for it Scott!
Red is a lot more difficult than Blue as a final boss, so I do not know what you mean it is easier. The league is easier to outlevel but also more difficult for its level so that is not even a good metric. How did you make this assessment?
Sure, Gen 2 has a more challenging Elite 4 & final boss. But Gen 1 solo runs usually run into more early/mid-game hurdles: * Brock with no special attacks or ways to dodge Bide * Misty/Rival 2 (did you train enough before jumping the ledge outside Mt Moon?) * Rock Tunnel's trainer gauntlet * Easy lategame locked behind Rival 5 and Koga. If the game was coded such that Koga couldn't "win" by self-destructing his final Weezing, he'd be less of a wall. And if you're solo-running a "lategame" mon like Ponyta, Tangela or the fossils, have fun with your limited moveset! Gen 2's biggest solo-run wall (besides Red) seems to be Rival 2. Sometimes Whitney's Miltank, Morty's lead Gastly, or Jasmine's Steelix. But it's not like Falkner forces you to overlevel if you lack a special move. Nor does he stock 10 full heals.
@@wereoctopus Good points. The early and mid games are definitely a bit harder in Gen I. To me the buggy code invalidates the difficulty because you can pretty much jump any hurdle with a little bit of luck.
Hope to see more of these types of play throughs where you actually evolve the pokemon. It feels more organic this way, being realistic people at home trying to do something similar would absolutely evolve the pokemon as they always want the bigger more badass version of the starter they use.
@@dislexyc fair point, I suppose that's the nature of certain Pokemon in these games, this evolution line is literally right at the end of the game in mount silver hidden would a low encounter rate. You're probably only supposed to get one and grind it up it's levels for competitive Pokemon as it's such a powerful Pokemon. Mind you Scott normally makes special videos with pokemon like this just because we wouldn't see it evolve till the end of the Kanto section. I would expect a gen 1 v gen 2 pysdo race between tyranitar and Dragonite in this case. I do prefer watching the pokemon actually evolve in these runs but yeah I'll agree that for better content wise not all pokemon will work that way.
You say”if you’ve made it this far you’re incredible” but let’s be honest look how far YOU’VE made it. YOU are incredible I’ve watched almost since you’ve started and it’s so nice to see you grow so much. I’ve heard you talk more than most family members. Love your videos and like how you do your own thing. Keep up the incredible content.
Thanks you so much David. I remember seeing your comments for quite some time. It’s great to have had along for the ride! Some more big improvements coming soon! Hopefully the growth just keeps continuing!
To be fair, Dark/Ghost/Psychic also interact with Fighting type and (largely) Bug type. Edit: No single type does, but there are 8 type pairings that resist both Dark and Fire. Fighting Rock Fighting Fire Fighting Water Fighting Dragon Rock Dark Fire Dark Water Dark Dragon Dark In Gen 2 the only pokemon with any of these pairings are Poliwrath, Tyranitar, and the Houndoom line itself.
I immediately fell in love with both Houndour and Houndoom. Houndoom was my #1 favorite pokemon until gen 5 (Hydreigon). I was always annoyed with how prohibitive they made Dark Types in gen 2 (other than Umbreon). You pretty much summed up all my frustrations with what they did lol. I always wondered what it would be like to have a houndour/houndoom early on. EDIT: Obligatory Faint Attack on Muk, but all good. ***SPOILER*** I love how you did an attempt with my favorite moveset for houndoom in gen 2. Flamethrower/Fire Blast, Sunny Day, Solar Beam, and Crunch
I'm really glad that in the remakes of Gen 2 they made the Safari Zone mid game and between the new route to it and the zone itself you can get Pokemon that were otherwise post-game like Houndour and Misdreavus after you get surf instead of after you have done 95% of the game.
YES! Always loved this doggo I’m so glad to see you finally do this. I hope you do golduck soon too since they’re the same base stats with opposite types. Awesome work sir Scott
Aw yes Doomhound! How does you fiancé cope 😂😂 I've always loved those two and Crystal was the first Pokémon game I owned myself (my brother got yellow and never let me play it) and I liked this cause it always reminded me of my own dog! You've unlocked a core memory of me begging my mum to turn on the computer so she could "AskJeeves" to find out where to find it 😂 I'm also very impressed with how well it completed the game! A definite goat combo dark and fire is. Loving these consistent uploads Scott! Make sure you look after yourself and don't end up burned out at anytime too 👍
I really like the new overlay; very sleek, very colorful. Most of my memory from Generation 2 was failing the Bug Catching Contest every time, catching dozens of shiny Slugmas because they just kept showing, and always being able to get a Houndour within a couple of minutes in that tiny patch of grass. Odd times, but still one of my favorite generations.
Burned tower in general would be great for the Kanto-only Johto pokémon. The doom hound, the everburning magma slug and the mischievous curse ghost would be a dead fit for that instead of the same old.
UA-cam decided that when I was done with this video I should rewatch your celebi run. In 9 months you went from making a 20k celebration video to 45.7k. Congratulations, I'm excited for your growth.
Wow dude seems like you've really been putting out videos lately good job! Thank you for your content. Ive been watching for a while now and it's a joy to look forward too your next videos!
This was fun one to watch, I feel you on the lack of dark type before the post game I always hated that. Even when I trained for Umbreon by the time it evolved I always was past it learning bite and found it useless.
poliwrath naturally resists both dark and fire, but chuck's poliwrath doesnt end up being much of a threat at your level and it spamming dynamic punch.
Really interested in seeing a vs video by you between Arcanine and Houndoom or maybe even strictly between Growlithe and Houndour to switch things up race wise since mostly you race fully evolved mons or one stage only mons.
I did not even finish the absol video before I saw this. But then it was no longer live xD I found it, because I searched everywhere all the time. Aw man Gen 2, my childhood. I am 28 today, so when it was released I was barely started in primary. But I was hooked since Gen 1. I had friends help me get past the first city, the ice puzzle, and of course the powerplant.
I dont' get to show up to live premiers really at all but I just wanted to say that over the last couple months you have become my favorite channel on youtube. The content is really high quality and keep up the good work
Houndoom is just goth arcanine, and I’m all for it. On another note, adding a column in your live feed of move stats for accuracy (at least on your readout, no need to put it in the final video) would have made that faint attack against muk thing stick out like a sore thumb when you’re kind of on autopilot. The accuracy of all your other moves would have gone down, but it would have stayed at 100% (or nil depending on how you have it presented). On the other hand, I like the little “oh I caught that!” moments. They add a feeling of humanity to the ones and zeros that make up these adorable little pocket monsters on top of being great for getting people to comment. Good run. Can’t wait for the Raiku, Suicune, and Entei versus video one day (and maybe that Aerodactyl video)
First off it’s awesome to see you finally use my favourite Pokemon line in one of these runs, second Houndoom is always a must have for me on my team as him and Ampharos make an awesome tag team both are definitely going to be on one of my teams in Scarlet and Violet, third Doomhound is an awesome nickname and finally hope you and your fiancé have a great October
I remember houndour. Boy do I. Houndour was the first shiny I ever found. I remember seeing the blue and the sparkle and the shimmer, I was mesmerized-I had to have it! I remember switching my overleveled pokemon around trying to weaken it… And that little snot used roar on me!!!! Roar?!??! How was I supposed to know it had roar?!!? That was the first houndour I’d ever seen in the wild!!! I was soooo mad!!!
Houndoom happens to be one of my favorite Pokemon of all time, so I am really hoping he will do well. He is quite strong and has a great typing, and his Gen II moveset is not absolute garbage, which is rare in that gen. I think the main two things which will hold it back is the Slow level up group and the fact that he learns Flamethrower quite late. He might struggle with Chuck and Bruno (weirdly enough), unless you give him Hidden Power coverage for them. Whitney does have Rollout which is super-effective, but I think that outspeeding and two shotting her with Bite should be enough. Clair's Kingdra could pose some issues, to be honest I think it will highly depend on Houndoom's level. The Slow level-up group might hold it back too much. I am undecided on Lance, who could seemingly go either way. With Red, there might be an issue with Snorlax building up Amnesia (since Houndoom is fully special), and Blastoise being bulky enough to survive and KO. This is where I think that Houndoom's Slow level up group will catch up with it and give it issues. Still, I am rooting for the Demon Doggo! No matter what happens, he will always be one of my favorites!
It's pretty interesting to see that Gen2 got 4 new E4 members. I wonder where all the Gen1 E4 members went (except Lance who became the champion) Like, I get that the lost hiker possibly went back to the Rock Tunnel or somewhere, but it's interesting to see that Lorelei and Agatha were totally absent in Gen2.
When I was a small boy and didn't have internet or anyone to play (and trade) Pokémon Gold with, I used to think that Pokemon like Steelix and Houndoom were exclusive to trainers like Jasmin and Karen, and not obtainable for a regular player.
This was awesome to watch. It’s nice when it’s not just - doomhound used bite, doomhound used flamethrower, doomhound used bite. Thanks for putting feeling into it. Always a pleasure seeing your stuff. P.S. still waiting for Mewtwo 😂
Great watch! Gen 2 is my favorite, but Houndour is available SO late in the game that I've never used one. I finally got a Larvitar early enough with HGSS's Safari Zone, but Houndour remains.
edit: after watching the video completely I am shocked how Scott was able to squeeze out such a performance with that thing. bravo Scott! I like all of his videos but I always found this Pokemon as a joke but then again I came across it in g3 where there are far better Pokemon. Scott made the Pokemon cooler than it really is.
(Scott just finishing fighting Chuck's Poliwrath) "actually, are there any types resisting both fire and dark? I don't think so." Wow you got me so confused there :D Also don't forget about Venomoth, the only Dark/Dragon pokemon in gen 2.
I have a video idea. There are exactly 3 Pokemon lines that have been in every regional dex since their introduction. the Psyduck line, the Magnemite line, and the Zubat line. It might be interesting to do a VS style video where you do one run where you pick two of these lines, and do one run each in gen 1 then 2 then 3, and whoever wins bets 2/3 wins. Might be a silly idea because you can just modify whatever Pokemon you want as a starter so dexes don't really matter. Also its a lot of work to do 6 runs..
"Imagine a Pokémon game where if you get hit by a move, you leveled down." Mystery Dungeon has an item called Doom Seed that actually can do this. Enemy Pokémon can pick them up and throw them at you. Thankfully it's extremely rare and you get tons of ways to simply level back up if needed, but it's still trollish. Glad to see Houndoom was a good boy.
In the beginning you talked about how only flying was paired with fire in Gen 1. There was an oversight in Gen 1 (well several) but one of the oversights came later with magnemite. Gen 1 consists of (RBY and Stadium) once you save with magnemite in Stadium 2 and then trading back to stadium 1 it “becomes” a Fire/electric type
I've never used Houndoom due to it's stupidly late placement in Gen 2 but it kind of works... it's got good stats and feels more significant as the Ace of Archer and Karin, so it's at least more understandable than relegating Slugma (I adore but it's not great) and Misdreavus to so late alongside it. Still, would have been nice for the Johto Pokémon to be present in Johto. 3:12 - Why would the Dark type that can only be found at night learn both Sunny Day and Solarbeam!? 8:22 - On the plus side, it is easy to see where improvements could be made with this playthrough... and the matches against Falkner were just particularly unlucky, which could happen no matter how prepared you can be. 19:06 - Getting the Dark type boost from clearing the Rocket plotline could have also made sense... though unless you acquired an Umbreon, you wouldn't have a Dark type Pokémon at this point. Glad to see you show the fight against Archer here, given he is the significant trainer to use Houndoom as an Ace Pokémon. 40:42 - The late game Dark types of Gen 2 is why I caught and used a Poochyena/Mightyena in Pokémon Sapphire. I'd never gotten the opportunity to use a Dark type in my team before then so that first route Dark Pokémon had an immediate appealing factor.
I’ll always be biases toward gen 2 videos, shoutout to my boy Denis, but I think you’re really showing high level routing and execution (well, ya know) and it makes a 52 minute video really easy to watch. looking forward to what is definitely not Absol
My Houndoom Memory - playing through either colosseum or XD with a friend we could not agree whether to add Arcanine or Houndoom to the team, and after too many rounds of rock paper scissors tied , we added both... the type diversity was not great but given that both are fairly fast and quite strong we often ended up using them as our lead team and just burning away all who apposed the puppy pair - we also named them after our dogs at the time. Dusty and Major kicked major butt! :P
I always call my Houndooms Bellatrix. Houndoom is my favourite Dark Type, Bellatrix is my favourite Death Eater, if Bellatrix was a Pokémon she’d be a Dark Type, Houndoom’s fire leaves permanent damage and pain to all that it touches and Bellatrix is infamous for causing permanent damage to Neville’s parents due to the pain she inflicted on them.
Nice job Scott. One thing I wonder about is if you could have saved early game time and gotten by Rival 2 quicker by training less and beating the rival with swift at level 18 or 19. Ember may have one shot Gastly at that point and maybe swift would have muscled through Croconaw early. I'm not sure it would have worked (and of course you would need more grinding later) but grinding later is easier than grinding early. Also I'm not sure you needed Houndoom for Whitney. The final thing that confused me is the Hidden Power TM. You took a 2 minute journey to pick it up on both playthroughts before fighting Morty and didn't use it till at least the end of the Rocket Plotline (when you had already had to return to the Lake of Rage).
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Should keep Leer for fighting the Azalea rival just to boost Swift’s damage. Andrew Davis did the same thing in his Houndour video.
B tier for Best boy, makes sense ^^ Houndoom doing well is something I expected due to it having enough firepower to fully take advantage in both of its STABs, but I didn't even imagine it could finish before the 2 hour mark... So consider me surprised here. .P.S.: I'll never undertand how a pokémon introduced in Gen 2 and belonging to the Johtodex can't be found anywhere on Johto and is a native species from Kanto... It still baffles me... o_O
Regarding the battle against Red, I think Fire Blast might be worth it over flamethrower. It has 85 accuracy which is still relatively consistent and adds a lot of damage, especially in the sun. I think it would make 2 shotting the Snorlax a lot easier. That said it is a game corner prize so I'm not sure how much time it would take to get it.
Just finished watching the first run. Just a few things: Against the trainers in Chucks gym, It's probably better to use headbutt over ember. Ember is stab, but its pretty weak, and the hitmons have good SpDef. There are a couple Pokemon that do resist dark and fire. Tyranitar and Poliwrath resist both. (But you never really fight Tyranitar so I dont think it counts) When you kept missing agains the minimized Muk, you could have probably taken it out with feint attack (or faint attack) If you catch any of these before the video ends, then please remember i'm making this comment before the second run. Good video as always so far! I'm going to continue watching the optimized runs now.
I like that you use random Gen 2 or 3 pokemon it's refreshing. I also like how you post the pokemon moves and have strategies on how you plan to use them
Faint Attack and Espeon had me chuckling. I always forget Faint Attack is the dark version of swift. Also, major credit to Bruno for finally getting into the E4
After the first blooper, I'm convinced there needs to be a romhack in an alternate universe where the Pokemon are the trainers and they battle using wild humans they captured
In this game, all the pokemon I think of that resist both Fire and Dark are Houndoom, Tyranitar and Poliwrath. Though, here's something funny. Ghost/Fighting does at neutral damage to every pokemon up to this point except for Hisuian Zoroark. Which resists both types.
A disappointing outcome, but these videos always seem to surprise me. Pokemon I expect to do exceptionally well often don't, and pokemon that I expect to struggle end up S tier. These videos are so interesting. Of course, I love Houndoom, but it's always been a middle of the road pokemon. I love Tyranitar, too, but the x4 weakness to fighting hurts it, a lot.
very nice, I've never used a Houndoom before, I think I'm going to start to, that doggy is awesome. since you going dark and spooky for October, i had a thought, I've heard on your previous vids that you may be doing the Eeveelutions in Yellow as a VS and thats gonna be awesome, but how about Espeon vs Umbreon for Crystal, the Dark vs the light Halloween, something along those lines. maybe a 5 way VS for Gen 3?
I know it's only 85% accurate, but did you consider teaching Fire Blast over Flamethrower for the Red fight? 5 PP would have been enough for Snorlax and Venusaur, and it might have allowed a lower level while staying *fairly* consistent (i.e. winrate > 50%, or whatever your threshold is) Also I think there's an NPC trainer with a Houndour? As a kid I used the pokedex to track down pokemon like Smeargle and Natu. I think I found Houndour and Slugma the same way? Even though they were only available in the postgame, I loved Houndoom and Magcargo. They were among the few pokemon I obsessively ground to level 100 in continuous Elite 4/Red rematches.
Looking forward to the vid but can I give you a small criticism off the bat Scott? The start is very abrupt. A small bit of music or pause would have fit nice at the very start
Houndoom is such a cool dog mon and giving it a Mega was even better. I wish I could have enjoyed using this mon in Crystal but by the time you reach Kanto, what's the point? Unless you want to have a strong team for Red but by then meh, it's not the same. It sucks for Game Freak to do that. Not a great way to promote Johto Pokemon. Great video Scott!
The Houndoom line is pretty interesting, not just because of its typing, but because it can learn a lot of great moves. I really like the synergy between sunny day and solarbeam, but I would have never thought it's going to be useful for most of the late game. 😊 Red's snorlax has low defence, so maybe sludge bomb, could do for it, and it can poison and force it to rest. Anf you could swap the gender of your Houndoom to a female so that you could use attract and make Red pretty much trivial. 😊 And also, I'm up for the bark boost so that roar can make damage like it should have been😂. And losing a level everytime my opponent attacks that's a nice idea for a challenge, maybe I should try it someday 🤔. Like always, thanks for making me have a good time(by the way these bloopers are the best 😂) .
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon just remember that poison in gen 2 is physical😊, so opponents with low defences can be poisoned and do some big damage. By the way, I'm glad that helped you, I'll try my best to keep on doing that in the future 😊.
So in GS, the only dark type you can get before postgame is Umbreon. In Crystal they added Sneasel to Ice Path, but in the original games it was around Mt Silver. Murkrow is also restricted to Kanto in all three. Larvitar you can only catch in Mt Silver or get from the Celadon game corner. This transparently sucks. My guess as to why they did it is so they could have Team Rocket using Houndour and Murkrow, since they came from Kanto, but like... they can use local Pokemon.
In gen 2, the only mons that resist both fire and dark are Poliwrath, the Houndoom line, and Tyranitar.
So yeah, quite the small pool of worthy opponents.
And Venomoth in its Fighting/Water Forme
Houndour can learn Solarbeam, so Poliwrath is in for a bad time if it doesn't one shot Houndour.
@@nick56677 But venomoth is the strongest pokemon it can one shot a level 💯 houndoom with a resisted move even if it is level 1
So don't count it
@@nick56677 no need for one shot, Solarbeam takes 2 turns. Just need to outspeed.
@@nick56677 no need for one shot, Solarbeam takes 2 turns. Just need to outspeed.
23:25 How could I forget? Venomoth not only evolves from venonat by level up, but also from Tyrogue via water stone
bro u forgot how it evolve from pikablu from link cable
Every time Venomoth is [insert typing current pokemon is weak to]. Conversion3 here we come.
How can you forget that as an ice type it required the ice stone?
Legendary dragon Venomoth you mean.
The steel dragon venomoth reigns supreme
Faint Attack is a guaranteed hit in Gen 2 right? Would that not have been better against Muk after mininize?
I'm surprised more people aren't pointing this out.
Yes
I feel like Scott rushes too much without thinking sometimes 😅
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon I was honestly thinking I had that wrong lol. I commented something similar regarding Skull Bash on a Gen 1 run thinking it buffed defense for the badge boost, but that defense buff didn't start until Gen 2 (learn something new everyday). I'm def not the expert on early gen games, so I confuse a lot of those things with later incarnations.
Edit: I guess I should add it didn't matter at all on the 2nd higher level playthrough. Food for though for other Feint Attack users (maybe Sneasel???). Though I think Sneasel will STRUGGLE, poor thing.
I feel like Scott like speed running to the detriment of actually making good plays.
THANK YOU SCOTT!! DOOMHOUND HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY #1 FAV POKEMON EVER! THANKS FOR GIVING HIM LOVE AND PATIENCE!
You’re welcome!
Such a beast 💪🏾 😍
Eyyyyyy same 👉😎👉
Thankyou Scott for making such long and detailed videos. I just basically did cardio for an hour just watching this. Helps alot cause there's too many pokemon videos that are super short so flicking through videos that interest me is taxing and distracting.
Yeah, flicking through short videos is something I personally hate. I want something at least 30 minutes that is engaging. Glad my content is functioning this way for you! Thanks for the comment Jacob.
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon yeah no problem, I think this is my first comment here so glad to be part of the community now haha
Houndoom is absolutely my favorite Pokémon, and I was fortunate to use it when I played Silver back in 2002, mainly for Red's Espeon. And at that time I also had a Rottweiler called Rocky and she was a female, so now in any game Houndoom is available, I always catch a female Houndoom, name her Rocky and add her to my team ❤️ thanks for doing this video of a very special Pokémon to me! (Since Obviously Rocky passed away a while ago)
My lady houndooms shall be Rocky forever more now. Your pupper will be immortalized in so many more runs, because Houndoom is also one of my favorite pokemon.
Oh my gosh, same here. Whenever I can catch Houndour/Houndoom I get a female one and name her Leila, after my (now passed) german shepherd lady Leila
@@BackPalSA Oh my, thank you so much!!
@@chaoticneutralartdemon our pups will never be forgotten ❤️
Hey i do the same! Except my dog was male and a german shepherd-rottweiler mix
I love that you get into the really technical information while most people just gloss over it
Yeah, I knew various stat calculations involved taking the floor, but was unaware of how that created optimal levels for damage rounding, or that it was due to performance issues doing floating-point math on the Gane Boy.
Or that Gen 2 *also* has a (less abusable) badge-boost glitch.
I appreciate Scott's little peeks under the hood.
For all the janky bugs and poor design decisions in Gens 1 & 2, I really admire what they did with the limited hardware.
Even sexist decisions like using the Attack DV to determine a pokemon's gender¹ were creative ways to allow pokemon to be traded to RBY and back again, without flipping gender or changing Hidden Power type.
¹rather than mapping an Attack DV of 00-07 to female, 08-15 to male (for a pokemon with 1:1 gender ratio), they could have used the four DVs' least significant bits, similar to how Hidden Power is calculated.
dark-fire has to be one of the coolest rare type combinations. The only roadblock I can think of is maybe Chuck because of Houndoom's low defense + super-effective fighting attacks
This is going to be interesting. I know G / S / C aren't as hard to play through as Gen1. But a run with our demon doggo is just great. just a shame it was gated off till post league.
Go for it Scott!
Red is a lot more difficult than Blue as a final boss, so I do not know what you mean it is easier. The league is easier to outlevel but also more difficult for its level so that is not even a good metric. How did you make this assessment?
@@SporkyMcFly people parroting poketuber opinions without actually playing the games themselves
Sure, Gen 2 has a more challenging Elite 4 & final boss. But Gen 1 solo runs usually run into more early/mid-game hurdles:
* Brock with no special attacks or ways to dodge Bide
* Misty/Rival 2 (did you train enough before jumping the ledge outside Mt Moon?)
* Rock Tunnel's trainer gauntlet
* Easy lategame locked behind Rival 5 and Koga. If the game was coded such that Koga couldn't "win" by self-destructing his final Weezing, he'd be less of a wall.
And if you're solo-running a "lategame" mon like Ponyta, Tangela or the fossils, have fun with your limited moveset!
Gen 2's biggest solo-run wall (besides Red) seems to be Rival 2. Sometimes Whitney's Miltank, Morty's lead Gastly, or Jasmine's Steelix.
But it's not like Falkner forces you to overlevel if you lack a special move. Nor does he stock 10 full heals.
@@wereoctopus Good points. The early and mid games are definitely a bit harder in Gen I. To me the buggy code invalidates the difficulty because you can pretty much jump any hurdle with a little bit of luck.
Hope to see more of these types of play throughs where you actually evolve the pokemon. It feels more organic this way, being realistic people at home trying to do something similar would absolutely evolve the pokemon as they always want the bigger more badass version of the starter they use.
Tyranitar run is gonna be rough like this
@@dislexyc fair point, I suppose that's the nature of certain Pokemon in these games, this evolution line is literally right at the end of the game in mount silver hidden would a low encounter rate. You're probably only supposed to get one and grind it up it's levels for competitive Pokemon as it's such a powerful Pokemon.
Mind you Scott normally makes special videos with pokemon like this just because we wouldn't see it evolve till the end of the Kanto section. I would expect a gen 1 v gen 2 pysdo race between tyranitar and Dragonite in this case. I do prefer watching the pokemon actually evolve in these runs but yeah I'll agree that for better content wise not all pokemon will work that way.
I have a solution for mons like Tyranitar. I’ll be doing runs both ways. Mostly including evolution in gen 2
You say”if you’ve made it this far you’re incredible” but let’s be honest look how far YOU’VE made it. YOU are incredible I’ve watched almost since you’ve started and it’s so nice to see you grow so much. I’ve heard you talk more than most family members. Love your videos and like how you do your own thing. Keep up the incredible content.
Thanks you so much David. I remember seeing your comments for quite some time. It’s great to have had along for the ride! Some more big improvements coming soon! Hopefully the growth just keeps continuing!
To be fair, Dark/Ghost/Psychic also interact with Fighting type and (largely) Bug type.
Edit: No single type does, but there are 8 type pairings that resist both Dark and Fire.
Fighting Rock
Fighting Fire
Fighting Water
Fighting Dragon
Rock Dark
Fire Dark
Water Dark
Dragon Dark
In Gen 2 the only pokemon with any of these pairings are Poliwrath, Tyranitar, and the Houndoom line itself.
Man, a fighting dragon type must be terrifying in real life.
@@iwanabana Jangmo-o line mostly dances and jingles their scales so maybe not lol
Love the subtle dig at Bruno's upgrade to gym leader - keep up the great work!
I immediately fell in love with both Houndour and Houndoom. Houndoom was my #1 favorite pokemon until gen 5 (Hydreigon). I was always annoyed with how prohibitive they made Dark Types in gen 2 (other than Umbreon). You pretty much summed up all my frustrations with what they did lol. I always wondered what it would be like to have a houndour/houndoom early on.
EDIT: Obligatory Faint Attack on Muk, but all good. ***SPOILER***
I love how you did an attempt with my favorite moveset for houndoom in gen 2. Flamethrower/Fire Blast, Sunny Day, Solar Beam, and Crunch
Yeah, this moveset is awesome! I absolutely love it!
I'm really glad that in the remakes of Gen 2 they made the Safari Zone mid game and between the new route to it and the zone itself you can get Pokemon that were otherwise post-game like Houndour and Misdreavus after you get surf instead of after you have done 95% of the game.
Awwwww, yeah! Last day in hospital, and Scott pulls out a banger with one of my all time favourites!
It's going to be fun! Glad it's your last day in the hospital Allan!
YES! Always loved this doggo I’m so glad to see you finally do this. I hope you do golduck soon too since they’re the same base stats with opposite types. Awesome work sir Scott
Aw yes Doomhound! How does you fiancé cope 😂😂 I've always loved those two and Crystal was the first Pokémon game I owned myself (my brother got yellow and never let me play it) and I liked this cause it always reminded me of my own dog! You've unlocked a core memory of me begging my mum to turn on the computer so she could "AskJeeves" to find out where to find it 😂
I'm also very impressed with how well it completed the game! A definite goat combo dark and fire is.
Loving these consistent uploads Scott! Make sure you look after yourself and don't end up burned out at anytime too 👍
I really like the new overlay; very sleek, very colorful. Most of my memory from Generation 2 was failing the Bug Catching Contest every time, catching dozens of shiny Slugmas because they just kept showing, and always being able to get a Houndour within a couple of minutes in that tiny patch of grass. Odd times, but still one of my favorite generations.
Heck; burned tower would be a great place to find houndoor lol. Best bad dog ever! Thanks for another Gen2 run!
Burned tower in general would be great for the Kanto-only Johto pokémon. The doom hound, the everburning magma slug and the mischievous curse ghost would be a dead fit for that instead of the same old.
UA-cam decided that when I was done with this video I should rewatch your celebi run. In 9 months you went from making a 20k celebration video to 45.7k. Congratulations, I'm excited for your growth.
Wow dude seems like you've really been putting out videos lately good job! Thank you for your content. Ive been watching for a while now and it's a joy to look forward too your next videos!
This was fun one to watch, I feel you on the lack of dark type before the post game I always hated that. Even when I trained for Umbreon by the time it evolved I always was past it learning bite and found it useless.
Growing up my grandparents had a Doberman so therefore I always had a special affection for Houndoom :)
poliwrath naturally resists both dark and fire, but chuck's poliwrath doesnt end up being much of a threat at your level and it spamming dynamic punch.
Really interested in seeing a vs video by you between Arcanine and Houndoom or maybe even strictly between Growlithe and Houndour to switch things up race wise since mostly you race fully evolved mons or one stage only mons.
I did not even finish the absol video before I saw this. But then it was no longer live xD
I found it, because I searched everywhere all the time.
Aw man Gen 2, my childhood. I am 28 today, so when it was released I was barely started in primary. But I was hooked since Gen 1. I had friends help me get past the first city, the ice puzzle, and of course the powerplant.
I'm so glad to see this. Houndoom is my favorite pokemon yet we never see any content on him since he's pretty fragile.
I dont' get to show up to live premiers really at all but I just wanted to say that over the last couple months you have become my favorite channel on youtube. The content is really high quality and keep up the good work
Glad you’re enjoying the content!
Hello Scott and Denis!
I've always thought this was a super cool looking doggo, so I hope it does awesome!
This line was my favorite in Gen 2 when it came out, when I was young! I was so bumped that I couldn’t get one in my playthrough back then.
I'm also loving the variety of games in the past month. I hope you keep it up
It's so funny you released this today. I'm doing a Fire Red Randomizer playthrough and I have a Houndoom on my team.
I remember using this line of Pokemon a lot in Pokemon Stadium 2. Very helpful for coverage on a team.
I"m haopy to see you still come up with nice twists on the venemoth meme, keep up the great work
Soundoom sounds like a regional variant in a fan game with sound type
Houndoom is just goth arcanine, and I’m all for it.
On another note, adding a column in your live feed of move stats for accuracy (at least on your readout, no need to put it in the final video) would have made that faint attack against muk thing stick out like a sore thumb when you’re kind of on autopilot. The accuracy of all your other moves would have gone down, but it would have stayed at 100% (or nil depending on how you have it presented).
On the other hand, I like the little “oh I caught that!” moments. They add a feeling of humanity to the ones and zeros that make up these adorable little pocket monsters on top of being great for getting people to comment.
Good run. Can’t wait for the Raiku, Suicune, and Entei versus video one day (and maybe that Aerodactyl video)
Filming Aerodactyl this morning. In October, I promise!
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon it finally gets a rock move! Woohoo!
First off it’s awesome to see you finally use my favourite Pokemon line in one of these runs, second Houndoom is always a must have for me on my team as him and Ampharos make an awesome tag team both are definitely going to be on one of my teams in Scarlet and Violet, third Doomhound is an awesome nickname and finally hope you and your fiancé have a great October
Thanks for the comment James!
I remember houndour. Boy do I. Houndour was the first shiny I ever found. I remember seeing the blue and the sparkle and the shimmer, I was mesmerized-I had to have it! I remember switching my overleveled pokemon around trying to weaken it… And that little snot used roar on me!!!! Roar?!??! How was I supposed to know it had roar?!!? That was the first houndour I’d ever seen in the wild!!! I was soooo mad!!!
Hey Scott! My favorite is also Venomoth, the fighting-water type. Thanks for the video!
Super hyped for this. Always loved the dark hounds, still haunted to this day they weren’t available until kanto 😢
Houndoom happens to be one of my favorite Pokemon of all time, so I am really hoping he will do well.
He is quite strong and has a great typing, and his Gen II moveset is not absolute garbage, which is rare in that gen.
I think the main two things which will hold it back is the Slow level up group and the fact that he learns Flamethrower quite late.
He might struggle with Chuck and Bruno (weirdly enough), unless you give him Hidden Power coverage for them.
Whitney does have Rollout which is super-effective, but I think that outspeeding and two shotting her with Bite should be enough.
Clair's Kingdra could pose some issues, to be honest I think it will highly depend on Houndoom's level. The Slow level-up group might hold it back too much.
I am undecided on Lance, who could seemingly go either way.
With Red, there might be an issue with Snorlax building up Amnesia (since Houndoom is fully special), and Blastoise being bulky enough to survive and KO. This is where I think that Houndoom's Slow level up group will catch up with it and give it issues.
Still, I am rooting for the Demon Doggo! No matter what happens, he will always be one of my favorites!
Misses over and over with Flamethrower ignoring Faint Attack always hitting and still having roughly 2/3 the power of Flamethrower. Bold call
It's pretty interesting to see that Gen2 got 4 new E4 members. I wonder where all the Gen1 E4 members went (except Lance who became the champion)
Like, I get that the lost hiker possibly went back to the Rock Tunnel or somewhere, but it's interesting to see that Lorelei and Agatha were totally absent in Gen2.
Hiker definitely went back to rock tunnel
My favorite gen 2 Pokémon along with sneasel. Super excited to see how this run goes
OMG MY FAVORITE POKEMON AAAAAAAAAA thank you Scott!!! I can't wait to see how he goes 😎
When I was a small boy and didn't have internet or anyone to play (and trade) Pokémon Gold with, I used to think that Pokemon like Steelix and Houndoom were exclusive to trainers like Jasmin and Karen, and not obtainable for a regular player.
Oh my god that was painful.
Faint attack Vs Minimized Muk? Why do you do this to me
This was awesome to watch. It’s nice when it’s not just - doomhound used bite, doomhound used flamethrower, doomhound used bite. Thanks for putting feeling into it. Always a pleasure seeing your stuff. P.S. still waiting for Mewtwo 😂
Thank you Scott for using my favorite Pokemon of all time!
You’re welcome!
Great watch! Gen 2 is my favorite, but Houndour is available SO late in the game that I've never used one. I finally got a Larvitar early enough with HGSS's Safari Zone, but Houndour remains.
always happy to see one of my favorite mons in your videos!
edit:
after watching the video completely I am shocked how Scott was able to squeeze out such a performance with that thing.
bravo Scott!
I like all of his videos but I always found this Pokemon as a joke but then again I came across it in g3 where there are far better Pokemon.
Scott made the Pokemon cooler than it really is.
(Scott just finishing fighting Chuck's Poliwrath) "actually, are there any types resisting both fire and dark? I don't think so."
Wow you got me so confused there :D
Also don't forget about Venomoth, the only Dark/Dragon pokemon in gen 2.
What!? Scott, I did not expect that. Gonna watch that right now. Thanks! Ill comment on the go. Hope theres some Venomoth shenanigans
22:21 Would the never miss Faint Attack have helped there?
I wonder if using fire blast would make the red fight quicker at a lower level while still having a reasonable accuracy
YES, my favorite Pokémon! I’m so excited to watch this!
Yet another great and entertaining video Scott! Thanks mate
You’re welcome!
Houndoom is surprisingly really good. Don't know why they were so hard to get.
I have a video idea.
There are exactly 3 Pokemon lines that have been in every regional dex since their introduction.
the Psyduck line, the Magnemite line, and the Zubat line.
It might be interesting to do a VS style video where you do one run where you pick two of these lines, and do one run each in gen 1 then 2 then 3, and whoever wins bets 2/3 wins.
Might be a silly idea because you can just modify whatever Pokemon you want as a starter so dexes don't really matter. Also its a lot of work to do 6 runs..
Zubat is one of them, right?
@@ru213 yes
The Rain on the Plain is a Drain on the Sane Brain, but the Insane Remain without Pain and Sustain their Lane.
Brought to you by the bloopers
Why didn't you use Faint Attack vs Minimize Muk
That was really painful to watch...
Because I made a mistake
The fact you do a dynamic counter on the power level of your moves is amazing i remember when you could barely remember the math
Now I programmed the math into my overlay!
"Imagine a Pokémon game where if you get hit by a move, you leveled down." Mystery Dungeon has an item called Doom Seed that actually can do this. Enemy Pokémon can pick them up and throw them at you. Thankfully it's extremely rare and you get tons of ways to simply level back up if needed, but it's still trollish.
Glad to see Houndoom was a good boy.
Appreciate the layout change that shows the elemental type for the attacks. Some of them have changed since and I get them wrong.
Johto Video! I have always thought that Houndoom looks so cool! It stinks that Gamefreak hid this wicked doggo in the Kanto part
In the beginning you talked about how only flying was paired with fire in Gen 1. There was an oversight in Gen 1 (well several) but one of the oversights came later with magnemite. Gen 1 consists of (RBY and Stadium) once you save with magnemite in Stadium 2 and then trading back to stadium 1 it “becomes” a Fire/electric type
Whoa, that’s cool!
I've never used Houndoom due to it's stupidly late placement in Gen 2 but it kind of works... it's got good stats and feels more significant as the Ace of Archer and Karin, so it's at least more understandable than relegating Slugma (I adore but it's not great) and Misdreavus to so late alongside it. Still, would have been nice for the Johto Pokémon to be present in Johto.
3:12 - Why would the Dark type that can only be found at night learn both Sunny Day and Solarbeam!?
8:22 - On the plus side, it is easy to see where improvements could be made with this playthrough... and the matches against Falkner were just particularly unlucky, which could happen no matter how prepared you can be.
19:06 - Getting the Dark type boost from clearing the Rocket plotline could have also made sense... though unless you acquired an Umbreon, you wouldn't have a Dark type Pokémon at this point. Glad to see you show the fight against Archer here, given he is the significant trainer to use Houndoom as an Ace Pokémon.
40:42 - The late game Dark types of Gen 2 is why I caught and used a Poochyena/Mightyena in Pokémon Sapphire. I'd never gotten the opportunity to use a Dark type in my team before then so that first route Dark Pokémon had an immediate appealing factor.
I’ll always be biases toward gen 2 videos, shoutout to my boy Denis, but I think you’re really showing high level routing and execution (well, ya know) and it makes a 52 minute video really easy to watch. looking forward to what is definitely not Absol
Definitely not Absol next….
Yes! Finally some representation for one of my favorite Pokémon!!!
My Houndoom Memory - playing through either colosseum or XD with a friend we could not agree whether to add Arcanine or Houndoom to the team, and after too many rounds of rock paper scissors tied , we added both... the type diversity was not great but given that both are fairly fast and quite strong we often ended up using them as our lead team and just burning away all who apposed the puppy pair - we also named them after our dogs at the time. Dusty and Major kicked major butt! :P
I always call my Houndooms Bellatrix. Houndoom is my favourite Dark Type, Bellatrix is my favourite Death Eater, if Bellatrix was a Pokémon she’d be a Dark Type, Houndoom’s fire leaves permanent damage and pain to all that it touches and Bellatrix is infamous for causing permanent damage to Neville’s parents due to the pain she inflicted on them.
For the Gen 2 remakes I actually got someone to trade me a Houndour egg so I can actually play the game with one. I like Houndoom.
Nice job Scott.
One thing I wonder about is if you could have saved early game time and gotten by Rival 2 quicker by training less and beating the rival with swift at level 18 or 19.
Ember may have one shot Gastly at that point and maybe swift would have muscled through Croconaw early.
I'm not sure it would have worked (and of course you would need more grinding later) but grinding later is easier than grinding early.
Also I'm not sure you needed Houndoom for Whitney.
The final thing that confused me is the Hidden Power TM. You took a 2 minute journey to pick it up on both playthroughts before fighting Morty and didn't use it till at least the end of the Rocket Plotline (when you had already had to return to the Lake of Rage).
Nice points! Probably a minute or two of savings there.
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Should keep Leer for fighting the Azalea rival just to boost Swift’s damage. Andrew Davis did the same thing in his Houndour video.
great video enjoyed it houndoom is a great Pokemon I've always loved using it
B tier for Best boy, makes sense ^^
Houndoom doing well is something I expected due to it having enough firepower to fully take advantage in both of its STABs, but I didn't even imagine it could finish before the 2 hour mark... So consider me surprised here.
.P.S.: I'll never undertand how a pokémon introduced in Gen 2 and belonging to the Johtodex can't be found anywhere on Johto and is a native species from Kanto... It still baffles me... o_O
Best boy indeed
Regarding the battle against Red, I think Fire Blast might be worth it over flamethrower. It has 85 accuracy which is still relatively consistent and adds a lot of damage, especially in the sun. I think it would make 2 shotting the Snorlax a lot easier.
That said it is a game corner prize so I'm not sure how much time it would take to get it.
Just finished watching the first run.
Just a few things:
Against the trainers in Chucks gym, It's probably better to use headbutt over ember. Ember is stab, but its pretty weak, and the hitmons have good SpDef.
There are a couple Pokemon that do resist dark and fire. Tyranitar and Poliwrath resist both. (But you never really fight Tyranitar so I dont think it counts)
When you kept missing agains the minimized Muk, you could have probably taken it out with feint attack (or faint attack)
If you catch any of these before the video ends, then please remember i'm making this comment before the second run.
Good video as always so far! I'm going to continue watching the optimized runs now.
Question, am I the only one who thought that Poocheyana evolved into Houndoom cause they're both Dark Doggos?
I like that you use random Gen 2 or 3 pokemon it's refreshing. I also like how you post the pokemon moves and have strategies on how you plan to use them
Faint Attack and Espeon had me chuckling. I always forget Faint Attack is the dark version of swift. Also, major credit to Bruno for finally getting into the E4
After the first blooper, I'm convinced there needs to be a romhack in an alternate universe where the Pokemon are the trainers and they battle using wild humans they captured
The jumping primeape in the gym presentation is awesome 😍
;) he’s so angry!!
In this game, all the pokemon I think of that resist both Fire and Dark are Houndoom, Tyranitar and Poliwrath.
Though, here's something funny. Ghost/Fighting does at neutral damage to every pokemon up to this point except for Hisuian Zoroark. Which resists both types.
Another story time. I remember being awake until midnight on a trip in Canada trying to catch this illusive dog as I thought it was so cool.
15:48 - Hitmonlee's Defense is way lower than its Spl. Defense. Woulda been way better to use Headbutt.
A disappointing outcome, but these videos always seem to surprise me. Pokemon I expect to do exceptionally well often don't, and pokemon that I expect to struggle end up S tier. These videos are so interesting.
Of course, I love Houndoom, but it's always been a middle of the road pokemon. I love Tyranitar, too, but the x4 weakness to fighting hurts it, a lot.
very nice, I've never used a Houndoom before, I think I'm going to start to, that doggy is awesome. since you going dark and spooky for October, i had a thought, I've heard on your previous vids that you may be doing the Eeveelutions in Yellow as a VS and thats gonna be awesome, but how about Espeon vs Umbreon for Crystal, the Dark vs the light Halloween, something along those lines. maybe a 5 way VS for Gen 3?
Alternatively to leveling up to 80, you could set up Sunny day again vs Espeon
It's not like Swift will do much
Edit: oh, you did
I know it's only 85% accurate, but did you consider teaching Fire Blast over Flamethrower for the Red fight? 5 PP would have been enough for Snorlax and Venusaur, and it might have allowed a lower level while staying *fairly* consistent (i.e. winrate > 50%, or whatever your threshold is)
Also I think there's an NPC trainer with a Houndour? As a kid I used the pokedex to track down pokemon like Smeargle and Natu. I think I found Houndour and Slugma the same way?
Even though they were only available in the postgame, I loved Houndoom and Magcargo. They were among the few pokemon I obsessively ground to level 100 in continuous Elite 4/Red rematches.
Finally someone gives Houndoom some love
Looking forward to the vid but can I give you a small criticism off the bat Scott? The start is very abrupt. A small bit of music or pause would have fit nice at the very start
Houndoom is such a cool dog mon and giving it a Mega was even better. I wish I could have enjoyed using this mon in Crystal but by the time you reach Kanto, what's the point? Unless you want to have a strong team for Red but by then meh, it's not the same. It sucks for Game Freak to do that. Not a great way to promote Johto Pokemon.
Great video Scott!
6:27 u picked up repels? Buys escape ropes
Ignore me im an ass lol
The Houndoom line is pretty interesting, not just because of its typing, but because it can learn a lot of great moves. I really like the synergy between sunny day and solarbeam, but I would have never thought it's going to be useful for most of the late game. 😊
Red's snorlax has low defence, so maybe sludge bomb, could do for it, and it can poison and force it to rest. Anf you could swap the gender of your Houndoom to a female so that you could use attract and make Red pretty much trivial. 😊
And also, I'm up for the bark boost so that roar can make damage like it should have been😂. And losing a level everytime my opponent attacks that's a nice idea for a challenge, maybe I should try it someday 🤔.
Like always, thanks for making me have a good time(by the way these bloopers are the best 😂) .
I like the idea of attract and sludge bomb against Red! I’ll have to remember those for the future.
@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon just remember that poison in gen 2 is physical😊, so opponents with low defences can be poisoned and do some big damage. By the way, I'm glad that helped you, I'll try my best to keep on doing that in the future 😊.
Great run! Happy spooky season!
So in GS, the only dark type you can get before postgame is Umbreon. In Crystal they added Sneasel to Ice Path, but in the original games it was around Mt Silver. Murkrow is also restricted to Kanto in all three. Larvitar you can only catch in Mt Silver or get from the Celadon game corner.
This transparently sucks. My guess as to why they did it is so they could have Team Rocket using Houndour and Murkrow, since they came from Kanto, but like... they can use local Pokemon.
Been wondering who would be stronger Venomoth or Kacknalleon, both are chameleon type Pokemons. Maybe a fun race for gen 3
15:40 Headbutt would 2HKO the Hitmonlee. You probably forgot about the Sp Def/Def split, where they got improved Sp Def.