How OP would a Dragon/Normal Dragonite be in Pokemon Yellow? - Live
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- Dragonite learns no STAB moves in Gen 1, outside of the fixed-damage Dragon Rage. It also only learns Normal-type physical moves, in spite of it's incredibly 134 Base Attack. But what if those Wraps and Hyper Beams became STAB moves?
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Dragonite about to drop the sickest EP yet: Wrap City
He is already triple platinun
The real thing in Gen 1 OU would be losing the 4× weakness to the very spamable Blizzard.
Fact, but doing more damage with STAB and having coverage for anything else is also OP
@@RBYPokemonChallenges Gengar would wall it decently, especially if you are running Agility/Wrap with it's special and Eggy and Cloyster force it to pick between Thunderbolt and Ice Beam/Blizzard coverage. And at 80 Spd, you are threatened by a lot of mons. Articuno out speeds and two hits without much worry for example.
It would be fun to see, but the worst I would expect to see is a return to the Agility/partial trapping ban, but considering the recent unbans in Gen 1 even that might not happen. Gen 9 being so ban happy is the exception, not the rule.
IDK, cause realistically Gengar is the only tre wall to the wrap strat, but realistically it could run some sort of Mimic strat to steal moves like Hypnosis and have the extra Ice Beam or Surf and just cheese hard on it. I don't think Gengar can get through Dragonite quickly. Granted I'm not 100% sure the main set of Gengar, but Gen 1 sleep is too OP to keep off it's set. For Exeggutor, it is praying not to get wrapped, and Articuno needs to OHKO of it's not going to get Agility into Wrap
@RBYPokemonChallenges Articuno should only take about 7% per Wrap and 35% from Hyper Beam guessing off the non-STAB numbers. That's a lot of Wraps to pull off without a miss. And you always have the option to switch into Rhydon or Gengar.
And slam para immunity
Getting Squirtle is faster than getting Vaporeon. Squirtle can learn Surf and Strength.
Yeah, we basically always want the Squirtle in Yellow. Vaporeon is used in Red/Blue when we don't have the ability to beat Rival 5 and want to go to Cinnabar before that
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The modding of n64 roms is more than possible. I support having stadium content on the channel.
is it possible to play a n64 stadium with your RBY rom pokemon? on the same PC
It would be awesome if someone did one of those reverse engineer PC ports of Pokémon Stadium 1 and 2
Same loved the 1st 2 games rental only perfected every section.
@@signout932 on an emulator yes, as long as the transfer pack is configured
Yeah, I should be able to use the Rom files, but I think it would be necessary to find the memory location of the player Pokemon types in the game data
Dragonite becoming a legit Wrap God
Eminem has not shot against this Wrap God!
“Top 10 Wrappers people are afraid to diss”
I’ll be honest this might have been the reason Dragonite wasn’t Normal for Gen 1 for this exact reason. Game Freak knew it was a bad idea with how those mechanics were
Absolutely, it would have been broken. And besides, Lance has a thing for Pokemon with 4x wealnesses
I always thought that both Gyarados and Dragonite are flyers only because Game freak wanted to give them 4x weakness.@@RBYPokemonChallenges
Dragonite's base stat total is tied with Mew. Agility + Horn Drill = broken as heck. Agility + Wrap vs Starmie. Wrap is broken, but not like Horn Drill. Dratini learns Hyper Beam at level 50.
Yeah, Horn Drill just has far less accuracy and I was far more interested in looking at STAB, which wouldn't have been affected at all by HornDrill
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Fun run! Didn't expect dragonite would improve its score by that much
It really is a lot better when you consider that it's basically doing chop damage until Mt. Moon. Even after that, it only gets Water Gun until you brat Misty or grab Body Slam from the SS Anne. I think most solo runners would immediately go for the Body Slam and forget Wrap, even though it's soooo OP
So the first attempt at Brock, Dragonite keot getting crits which I for sure think kept the Geodude damage at one HP per hit.
Yeah, the main point is more that rather than Leering and taking damage, were better off just attacking and hoping for longer Wraps on Geodude. We can go Leer strats once Onix uses Bide
In a fusions rom hack the bulbasaur line was grass dragon and the 4x weakness to ice was still there an ice being so great offensively really hurt it.
Sounds legit. But we shall confirm it
All I can think about before I opened the video was how broken hyper beam would be especially if it k.o's
Oh yeah!
37:07
I've always thought that the Pokemon breaking out of the Pokeball would break some essential mechanism in the thrown Pokeball.
Makes sense. I think it depends on the case, but in the anime it seemed that they remained usable
Here's a throwback for you Teo with a nice spin on it. Land a Wrap, become the Champ. Oh gosh!!!
Aw yeah!
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Not to mention Dragon type moves in Gens 1-3 are all classified as Special, so even in Gen 3 when Dragonite got access to some strong Dragon type moves, like Dragon Claw and Outrage, yeah it got STAB, but it didn't take advantage of Dragonite's busted-good Attack stat.
You could get STAB physical with Flying type, but then you're only looking at base 60 or 70 power attacks, like Wing Attack, Aerial Ace, or Fly.
Dragonite is a beast in Gen 4 with strong STAB Dragon type physical moves, which really opens up the power of Dragon Dance. Boost up with DD, top off your HP with Roost, and just sweep with Outrage. Hold a Persim Berry to protect from Outrage's confusion and Dragonite's unstopable. Even Ice Mons fall since they won't outspeed your DD boosted Dragonite.
For sure. I think it benefitted massively from the physical/special split. Until then, its lack of physical STAB made it pretty meh
@@RBYPokemonChallenges it had Flying as a physical, but no strong Flying moves in Gens 2-3. I think Fly was power 70 in Gen 3, but boosted to 90 in Gen 4. But Outrage is 120, so that's my Dragonite go-to in G4.
Yeah, in Gen 1 it doesn't learn any Flying type moves. I believe it got Wing Attack in Gen 2 which was 60 power, but still nothing to write home about
Dragonite should learn Flamethrower for all this fire rappin he spittin
OMG, yes! Everything that comes out his mouth should be fire!!!!
I love cycling. It's a good workout and best form of cardio imo. That said, I love taking a good walk or hike more, and hate having to ride my bike around bad divers. Which I unfortunately have a lot around me
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Hopefully that STAB Hyper Beam hit like a truck 🙏🏾🙏🏾
That is the idea! Basically using the exact strategy that got banned from Gen 1 competitive, but even stronger with STAB bonus!
unless I miswatched, looks like this guy did minimum battles, so congrats to norm-in-ite! Also, yeah, apparently adding a STAB type made all the difference in the world. What might be fun to try, at some point in the distant future, would be to backport some dragon moves to Gen 1 and repeat the experiment with dragon STAB moves and it's normal typing.
Though I think this guy will always be better because gen 1 wrap can be pretty busted (Gen 2+ wrap is BAD, but Gen 1 wrap is VERY powerful in the hands of a speedy pokemon)
Yeah, he really just needs one TM move to cover Rocks and he is basically OP
If you're able to edit your pokemon's stats while in battle, you could do things like "thick club" marowak and "light ball" pikachu. Or if you can edit stat stages and start with atk/spcl +2, might be safer. Though that would mean crits dont do extra damage
As im typing this, im realizing that light ball would effectively double SpA and SpD lol
Yeah, there would have to be a way to do it programmatically.
Oh yeah a Pokémon Stadium type change run would be super cool I would watch
It would be incredible
18:32 actually two. Fly and Dig
Shout outs to Drampa
Drampa 😂
What a ridiculous and crazy run and what a legend lol. About the Mew run: I think that the wrap-Kitty is going to be faster. Maybe try to utilize clamp although its even more inaccurate than wrap? Its a bit of a flip a coin and a meme move but if Im correct its the strongest gen 1 move when it hits the maximum number of turns.
Oh yeah, Clamp is the strongest. Bind is second and Fire Spin has some good spots, Wrap is the weakest but might still be decent
The mon break the balls when they pop out I imagine
Oh no, the Pidgey broke my balls
Menu is the true final boss lol
Fact
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As a comment on your remark about "competitive" gen 1 mods, it sounds a bit like the "balanced hackmons" category of competitive play. I think that is usually played from gen 3 & above so that abilities can be modified, but it would be interesting to see a gen 1 hackmons type of competitive category, where changing types & moves is allowed, but not base stats
It would be incredible, but they'd need to ban a lot of broken moves
@@RBYPokemonChallengeshaha yeah Spore would probably just be banned. But I think what we'd see is specific pokemon getting bans to specific moves or types. Chansey in particular seems like it could be particularly broken with a ghost type added or transform on its moveset
Stab hyperbeams let’s go
That's right!!!
36:49 apparently the mainstream Pokémon anime... and the games... are two different universes.
And yes i can say mainstream pokemon anime since Pokémon origins is also anime however poke balls and similar work the same as the games, whereas the mainstream anime pokeballs are reuseable if you fail
I see. Teo Pokemon universes, sounds like it's becoming Marvel
Why are Softboiled and Egg Bomb TMs when they should've been level up moves? They're signature moves of Chansey and Exeggcute respectively.
Exactly this. I guess Mew can learn then, but that's really it.
Normal Puff daddy is too OP!
Minimum battle run ideas:
Lapras - Ice/Dragon type
Electabuzz - Electric/Fighting type. I thought he always should’ve had that secondary typing lol.
Lickitung- special moves only
Mewtwo with the most broken move set you can think of so he’s able to get a score of 100% without any resets.
Those all sound hilarious and fun. I'm down!
@@RBYPokemonChallenges hey just thought of something…. Since you don’t use your rare candies til the elite 4, as a little reward for yourself, if you don’t use all of the rare candies and you have some left over maybe you could “cash those in” as like maybe 1/2 a point for each candy you don’t use and add that to your final score as a reward for not having to use them all?
If you did Charizard Dragon and is going to do Venusaur Dragon, it is just fair to do something with Blastoise to. I ways thought that it deserves the Stell type for its cannons.
A Gen 2 Steel/Water Blastoise sounds amazing
Really fun video
Thank you 🤗
If you're planning on adding Normal typing as a regular thing, can I suggest a Normal-Fire Flareon? It'd be nice to see it not done dirty for once.
Sounds interesting. I'll have a think about that one
Have you done Lapras should be a water/pstchic pokemon?
I am planning to do Psyduck for that first
@@RBYPokemonChallenges Psyduck should be just psychic since it can't swim.
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See, this is how I would see Dragonite because on the Pokemon card, it stated it was a Dragon and it had Colorless (Normal) energy.
Yes!!!!
somehow I guess I just assumed it was always the case because it felt logical, but yes make dragonite how it always should've been
The Normal Type fits and would have been OP 😂
Psychic normal mewtwo is also god tier.
Oh god, we must find out!
Hard rock is tough competition for wrap.
That is a fact
Sorry if you mention this later or I missed it, but why didn't you use body slam ASAP? It's strong than a 5 hit wrap, more accurate, and faster. You were 1 hitting a lot of pokemon with wrap, so you would have also 1 hit them with body slam.
Because I was trying to go on Minimum Battles and Body Slam is locked because of an optional battle
@@RBYPokemonChallenges An option for an Optimized Run, perhaps? Yeah, it may be a few optional battles, but Body Slam and the extra Rare Candy could make the mid-game smoother and faster.
Agreed, for optimizing it really shouldn't take much, but Body Slam seems like a no brainer
@@RBYPokemonChallenges ah that makes sense. Thank you!
Stab hyper beam is the only thing i think of
Hyper Beam is good and all, but Wrap is where it's at.
Tera-Normal Dragonite puts in solid work in Competitive, if you need any sort of gauge as to how a Normal Dragonite would do. It lacks the sheer trolliness of Wrap-Trapping, but STAB Extremespeed is not to be trifled with.
Yeah, if it had broken gen1 Wrap it would be truly incredible
Agility+Wrap is already banned in Smogon's RBY (At least in UU)
But it would be banned I. Ubers with this setup. Way to OP
That's some terrible luck with the leer strat
"Three leers, does nothing"
"Four leers. Still nothing".
Completely ignorant of how he scored a critical hit, and how crits ignore defence drops, and if the first hit of wrap crits the rest crit as well.
edit: I kind of want a do-over with Leer strats against Geodude, but I feel like considering Dragonite beat Geodude immediately afterwards by just using wrap, I feel this is the most pathetic reason to call for a do-over.
I mean, it really is just a matter of accuracy and the number of hits
Teo watching ads of his own video on a video that I’m currently watching adfree….that’s so UA-cam.
Yeah, I could have avoided it by switching to my personal account with premium or looking up the video on my hard disk 😂
Surprise I'm not a member yet. Anyways, I remember watching another poketubers video, and they suggested that if Mew was a normal type. It will be the most powerful pokemon.
Could be!
normal type boost certainly should make it
only issues i see is perhaps is bruno . flying type doesn't do much for it tbh for Dragonite
Yeah, we'll have to see. But that is still a pretty big improvement, since Lorelei is usually a big problem
Dragonite doesn't learn fly until GSC
Which is a real shame. It got no STAB I. Gen 1
You got the rival wrong. It should be Flareon. Lose to rival 1 and skip 1a for his Vaporeon.
Overlay glitch???
I know it's too late, but you should have named Dragonite Normanite/Normalnite.
Missed opportunity RIP
wrapping moves win. as long as you can outspeed every match is a win with the right rng
Yeah, but the key here was that we didn't really even need perfect luck. Consider that. STAB Wrap is effectively 22 power and with a 134 base Attack stat, it's kind of OP compared to say a Brllsprout
@RBYPokemonChallenges oh, I was referring to wrapping vs 2 turn moves. also with that there is the possibility that the 2 turn move doesn't ohko and you need to attack again. in which case you aren't taking 1 attack, you're taking 3
That is true. This will be really fun to do!
My favorite Pokemon let's go!
Let's go!!!
lol you gotta try an electric bike or a little scooter. Walking is cool though for leisure and recreation
Yeah, I'd like to try a electric bike. Walking is it though!
I would think wraps animation and turns take up too much time compared to OHK
I agree that for a Speedrun Wrap isn't great, but it was just too funny watching STAB Wrap destroy things
@@RBYPokemonChallenges lol I feel u so u basically saying he’s gen 1 drake 150 vs 1
Dragonite straight outta gen1
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Normal psycic clefable?
Clefable has something else upcoming
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Basically lol.. I need to do like Scotty and ask the audience to point out all of my annoying tendencies
@@RBYPokemonChallenges by all means.. but please do interject a psychic/flying venomoth and edit in a nice! After each instance of 69
Haha when you were talking about gen 1 competitive at the end I think you forgot that Dragonite would be weak to blizzard
Yeah, tok excited in the moment, but the 1x weakness means it's likely only OHKOed with a crit
@@RBYPokemonChallenges yeah he'd still be a powerhouse in OU! Don't think he'd get banned from ubers though 🤣
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Pokeballs only being one use is to make sure that Pokemon are not injured and the Pokeball's integrity is not compromised, both for the trainer and to the Pokemon. Every time a Pokeball is thrown and the Pokemon breaks out of it, it compromises the Pokeball. Since Pokeballs need to provide an effective seal when closed around a Pokemon, it is paramount that the ball's integrity is not compromised.
Sounds legit, I can buy that
@@RBYPokemonChallenges Pokeball meets FDA requirements, after the show had shown that Pikachu found that its ball, that Ash had, was compromised. PETA had gotten involved and they had to find a more humane way to make the Pokeball more safe for the Pokemon. lol
Wrapping moves versus two-turn moves? I'm not sure the two-turn moves Mew even BEATS the game. MAYBE at a high-enough level, but the fact that you always have to be risking damage is not promising. It's particularly going to suffer in the endgame, most everyone from Giovanni on is going to be agony.
At least with the wrapping moves if you're fast enough you'll always have a chance because of how poorly designed they were in Gen 1. I don't think it can happen at minimum battles, though, because Lorelei and Lance are going to be walls. It's going to do fine against most gym leaders because Clamp and Fire Spin will cover quite a few of them effectively (Sabrina might be an issue because acc strats) but Lorelei and Lance will have only neutral to NVE hits and that's going to be taxing on the PP, particularly with Lorelei's mostly bulky Pokémon and the lousy accuracy of all the wrapping moves. You might also need to be really judicious about PP restoratives during the game because you might need more than usual in the Elite Four.
Re: Poké Balls as one use: No idea what the official word is, but I have my stance. When a Poké Ball captures a Pokémon, it basically taxes the mechanisms to the limit to bind the Pokémon to the ball. If the Pokémon breaks free, those mechanisms are damaged by the backlash, rendering the ball inoperable.
This is kind of the point. The wrapping moves would have the issue of accuracy, opponents having many chances to use healing items, and battles taking a long time. The two-turn moves Mew would be stuck taking damage at least one turn every battle, but will do so much kore damage when it hits.
@@RBYPokemonChallenges More damage per hit, yes. But it's not about damage per hit at this point, but whether it can one-shot. Because this is basically the crux of two-turn Mew - it HAS to one-shot, or it's in trouble. Because anything it doesn't one-shot now gets TWO more turns to act. That's two more turns for damage, or two more chances to hit sleep/confusion/freeze/paralysis, two more turns to Wrap et al., and two more turns to use a heal if it's in that range. And when you start going against trainers with more than a couple Pokémon, you're not going to be able to afford those extra turns. But from the way it sounded like you were planning to set that up, it sounds like it has to one-shot without any boosts - no buffing moves, no BBG unless an enemy hits a debuff. And I doubt Mew is strong enough to pull that off without overleveling, particularly when it doesn't have a type advantage, which with only Grass and Flying at its beck and call it's not going to often.
For a portion of the game, it's probably not going to seem like a big deal. It'll breeze by Brock and Misty on Solarbeam, Surge will just be a matter of the right rolls. But you're going to hit Erika and suddenly status is going to be an issue, Sleep and Paralysis can come in and interrupt your Sky Attack. Koga is going to use Sleep Powder and Toxic, and you get Toxic early on and that is IT. Sabrina, her Flashy Abra is always going to get at least one chance to make you miserable, and her Alakazam will always have a chance to recover. Blaine, his Ninetales with Confuse Ray will end runs, and you'd better hope you don't get burned and have your Attack cut because Solarbeam ain't gonna cut it. Giovanni's Dugtrio might very well have TWO chances to attack, and could very well Fissure you before you know what happens, or screw you up with Sand Attack - and then Persian can also Double Team and make more extra turns more likely. The Rival battles from 5 on are going to throw confusion and paralysis at you, and the later ones will add Leech Seed in. Lorelei's bulky mons might weather a Solarbeam and might hit freeze, Bruno has all type disadvantages but might throw a wrench in with X Defends on the Fighting-types, and Lance's hard-hitters are going to be tough to one-shot - but Two-Turn Mew is going to hate, hate, HATE Agatha. You're gonna get confused, paralyzed, or put to sleep, you're gonna have the first one's Substitutes, just getting attacks off is going to be a challenge, and you'd better hope you don't run out of Sky Attacks against the Ghosts because they resist Solar Beam due to the Poison typing. I honestly think this run could end up being pretty dreadful.
Your analysis is spot on. The two-turn moves will suffer so much from status and taking damage from opponents, so I expect Wrap strats to dominate. But that is kind of the point. People hate Wrap strats so much, but they're legit amazing in Gen 1
@@RBYPokemonChallenges I mean, I get WHY people hate Wrap strats - it's death by a thousand cuts and in PvP it basically becomes a game of "hope you miss so that I actually get to play" which isn't fun. (Same issue with Sleep, really, but most of them are less accurate at least.) But it certainly can't be denied that they're effective.
Poke balls only being one use is because silphco purposely making them like that for more profit
Damn.... Even Pokemon has corporate greed, even back in the 90s
@@RBYPokemonChallenges capitalism is inevitable. Must generate profit for shareholders at all cost. Pray they don’t go after the free healthcare pokemon
Seriously, it's because here in Japan we still have universal healthcare. When Japan joins the US model, we'll all pay for healthcare. I need to make a mod where the Pokemon Center costs 5000 poke dollars. And 1000 to access the computer. And potions sell for 1/10 of their value at the Pokemart and prices are all 10x
@@RBYPokemonChallenges you should work for Boeing
Just a bit of feedback, your video audio is pretty low in this video
Cheers I'll look I to that. Not sure exactly the issue, because it's the same mic and all, but possibly a setting issue.
I think dragonite should have been Water dragon type but that just me
I could understand since it comes out of the sea in the Bill's Lighthouse episode of the anime. But it's moveset is clearly Normal-type
I feel Dratini and Dragonair would've been pure Normal, then gaining flying. But then GF saw it was too strong and made the Dragon type.
This is funny to see when Yoshi in Kanto Expansion Pak is Dragon/Normal
Perfect, I made a yoshi run...
Using the normal dragonite and talking about a normal dragonite is confusing
Yeah....
This is valuable data for my Red/Blue ROMHack!
As for Venusaur as GRASS/DRAGON, I would personally prefer to see Victreebel as a GRASS/DRAGON.
Something will be Dragon, maybe both!
Not first oh gosh 😔
Your internet and system are fighting you to just stop streaming the vids and just record them
It's sad to see you and Scott's thoughts to be hiding half your videos behind a pay wall especially for fans that can't afford to pay you and have been hear pretty much sense the beginning on more than 1 account I mean even pikasprey has decided to fall off with his crappy png pedophile character the only true poketubers left are just jrose zwiggo and mdb
I think I got things figured out. I have a specific type of content that I want to stream, basically some redos in the new overlay and some ext5ra runs that don't necessarily justify their own video. But I can definitely understand the argument for just doing edited content only.
I'm not really hiding content behind a paywall. There are a lot of things that have been put on the member side that weren't up to snuff for final videos, but generally I post the same things on both ends, just with the difference being that paying members don't have ads in the videos. Though honestly, if I ever could make enough without ads to support myself, I would just doing everything ad free.
@RBYPokemonChallenges don't get me wrong I love the vids but there's a difference between the way you convey videos anymore and the way you used to its not the layouts or the paywall for some vids I get that being a youtuber isn't the most lucrative field but instead of keeping this going in your comments just know I have no plans on stopping watching your vids
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this game play looks like brain damaged TAS lol
Yeah, but it's hilarious
What I find really odd is that in these videos, the Dragonite's profile page in the "version" does not list the new typing you give the Pokemon such as for this one. Then again, it was Yellow version and if you did manipulate the typing, it would only show up as what Yellow version would see it as right, not the manipulated type?
The stats page typing and the battle typing are stored I. different RAM locations. I am changing the Battle typing, but not the stats page
Bro you made me mad, saying "STILL 1 DMG" , don't you know that Critical hits ignore stat changes??
Sure, but the point was that we were taking too much damage fro. all the turns of getting hit while setting up leer, that it's just better to go for the Wraps I. Onix and hold off for Onix