This album is full tilt insanity, a work of mad genius... and it literally presaged the future of harcore and punk fairly accurately, it was the blueprint which shaped so many bands. They are your favorite bands favorite band.
Maybe for lack of better representation, I'm pretty sure this album does, or should have an artist statement. It does things like use samples, make references in lyric or instrumental to other songs, and just other historical punk stuff, but other sounds and influences of counter culture. It is record to showcase what the "next steps" were for sounds, concepts and ideas of what the next generation of underground punk was to be.
The album title, The Shape of Punk to Come, is itself a play of Ornette Coleman's The Shape of Jazz to Come that came out in 1959. When knowing that, you can really understand the jazzy parts, and the overall jazz influences on the album.
I think you should really consider doing a full-album reaction to this one. There are just so many great and unique songs, and it was incredibly influential. I'm sure you'll take a lot from it.
@@LowEndUniversity Also check out the documentary (directed by their guitarist) 'Refused Are Fucking Dead' (I think it's on UA-cam), it's about their break-up. It's only 38 minutes long, but you really get an insight in their mindset. Really cool band. I interviewed the singer about nine, ten years ago. Nice guy.
I love how a lot of your recent videos (The Decline, Propagandhi, Satanic Surfers, this...) are all about the bands and songs that have shaped my musical taste. There was a real underdog feeling to it, back in the day, not much airplay for these bands (as there was for things like Sum 41 and the like), at least here in Belgium. It's really nice to see someone who wasn't familiar with it be so open to it, and amazed by the musicality of it. People saw us as angry idiots, but there is so much intelligent punk(rock)/hardcore. Your videos are some kind of validation. Thank you very much, it warms the heart. (Also: I'm a bit jealous you get to hear these great songs for the very first time :))
Ny started it! England started it! Who cares? I don't know who started it and I don't give a f! All I know is we did it harder, we did it faster, and we did it with more heart baby!
You should consider doing some At the Drive-In ("Quarantined" or "Enfilade" maybe), another great weird post-hardcore band with super interesting bass that broke up after their big hit album going on to form a huge cult following.
I've heard OF these guys before, but I have never actually heard them until now.. I think I'm in love. Can't believe I've been sleeping on this all these years. Thanks for the introduction, and whoever requested this, thank you as well.
TSoPtC is my all-time favorite album; it is brilliant. Anarchists making anarchic music with anarchist lyrics; it is the refusal to acknowledge musical rules and norms that engenders the transcendence of the music. I cannot count the number of times I've listened this album over more than 25 years yet it always sounds fresh, new and exciting. It is truly astounding that 4 guys in their early 20s were able to produce something so complex yet cohesive. IMO it is only rivaled, distantly, by The Clash's Combat Rock.
The Shape Of Punk To Come is pretty much my favourite album of all time. When I first heard it at 13/14 years old I didn't realise how complex and sophisticated it is, but now I'm 35 I notice so much about it. Their previous releases are more straightforward hardcore/punk but for TSOPTC they leaned so much more into experimenting with electronic and jazz elements. It got really bad reviews at the time because so many people didn't really understand it, but it's truly stood the test of time and I'm really happy the band got their flowers in the end.
Fun Fact, when Rage Against the Machine Broke up, The lead singer of Refused was seriously considered as a replacement for Zach. They instead formed Audioslave with Chris Cornell....but imagine what could have been...
@@1aml3g3nd13 I believe he also did a fanzine. I definitely remember his name from the credits on Ebullition releases (I think they also distro'd his zine). In an case, we're talking proper punks, not like the MTV pop-punk crap that's been appearing here in the past six months (I can't believe someone actually asked for Less Than Jake... we literally used to use that band to make fun of people).
The shape of punk to come is in my top 10 albums of all time regardless of genre. Hardcore/emo was dipping its toes in the jazz pool around 94’-96’(swing kids). Refused seemed to be heavily influenced by bands like Born Against and the so cal hardcore scene from the early 90s
The San Diego scene had some of the greatest punk and hardcore ever (Swing Kids, Clikatat Ikatowi, Drive Like Jehu, The Locust, Unbroken, Heroin etc) and so many bands adjacent to it as well (Angel Hair, VSS, Jaks, Crossed Out, Jenny Piccolo, The Blood Brothers) that shaped a lot of punk and heavy music
What a week of content! Thank you!! This album definitely deserves a full listen. It’s a divisive album; some people think it’s brilliant and groundbreaking, some people think it’s pretentious art fapping full of ripped off ideas. I fall on the groundbreaking side of things personally. Love this album
I love how they disguise old school blues style riff on the last section by playing using a polyrhythmic feel, then at the very end the song they play it more clearly and reveal the trick .
When I first heard 'New Noise' back in 1998, it absolutely blew my mind. This album STILL lives in my top ten and one that I wish I could hear for the first time again. Also, if you've watched 'The Bear', you've heard a section of 'New Noise'.
There is SO much jazz influence not in the music, but the album cover itself "imitates the cover of Teen-Age Dance Session (1994) by Rye Coalition, which is of itself a reference to the cover of Teen-Age Dance Session (1954) by Dan Terry." There is a ton of stuff in the "samples and references" section of wikipedia.
I have been looking through the comments seeing if there was any reference to Ornette Coleman's 1959 album, The Shape of Jazz to Come that shook up the jazz world. That album features one of my favorite jazz bassists, Charlie Haden, who's definitely worth checking out.
Refused is one of my favorite, if not my number 1, bands of all time. Just to think how young they were when they put this out is crazy, specially the drummer David. They formed when he was just 15 and put out 3 albums before breaking up when he was 22. They were all teens, and definitely beyond their years.
I bought this album when it came out. Scandinavia had some good progressive rock bands in the late 90's, Düreforsög - Knee (1996 DK) is an honorable mention. But this album towers over everything else. A true masterpiece from start to finish. I still remember the first time I put CD in my stereo as it was yesterday. What I really want to say is: This album has become a hidden diamond, and you are lucky to come across it. Listen to the rest of it, start to finish. Honestly, I think it is the best prog-rock album of the 90's. "Knee" was a small original concept that worked great for one album. For me personally, the only albums that even come near this monster masterpiece is Metallica AJFA (1989), Tool Ænima (1996), Tool Lateralus (2001).
Notably, this album made a lot of punks really mad when it came out, because "how dare you tell us what punk is?" and then release one fo the most influential records in the genre. You ought to check out Shai Hulud, like "Misanthropy Pure" or "Reach Beyond the Sun"
Since, Swedish punk/hardcore bands seems to have the momentum here from the last couple of videos, I would greatly encourage you to checkout the song Clot by a band named Breach. Having Refused reviewed here on this channel is very nice btw. Thanks for this video man! Cheers!
Listening to this album for the first time is like those movie scenes when something huge hits and you see an eye close-up with the pupil fully dilating
This album is a work of art! The band launches from tense, coiled quiet into all-out assault-- or, if they're already in assault mode, from one head-spinning riff to another! A full album reaction is definitely required !
Yes! Refused has been in constant play since I discovered this album in 2000. Listen to New Noise. You've heard it. Its been used in so many movies/shows right before shit's about to go down. It's so cool that out of the indie punk dust it was discovered by mainstream as a very emotional build up piece that perfectly sets the stage for some cinematic badassery. They have actually had a couple following albums after they broke up thay are really good.
If i remember correctly, the starting part is a sample of a song in "The Shape of Jazz to Come" by Ornette Coleman. Also the cover artwork of the album is a tribute to that album... i can't find it online, but i am 100% sure that there was a version that is identical. And the "solo" bass part was recorded on a double bass. I saw them live a couple of times, and that part was skipped, sadly...
If you want to know more there was a DVD that went out a while back called " Refused are fu**ing dead" made by the drummer if I remeber well. They all told the story of the band, their views on why they disbanded...etc Found a link here ua-cam.com/video/7c4R47oAyAc/v-deo.htmlsi=1ePSp70ZqkGtsUCY I did not upload this but have fun
Yes! The legends REFUSED! I was late on these guys.. I bought this because of the cover and it was an Epitaph records release. Had the same exact reaction as you. What is this? Good stuff man
Hey! On Patreon, I have 8-9 courses for bass, about 200 lessons or so. While some are geared toward bass techniques and such, I do have an "Ear Training" and a "Music Theory" course that can apply to anyone. They're older lessons I filmed several years ago, but I'd recommend those if you're interested in learning from me. Cheers!
Hi Mark ! First message here, first of all thank you for your content that I have been following for some time now! Especially the series on Punk and its diversity, it always does something to see someone discover songs that have touched us and that have been with us for years. For information, the introduction of the song is a sample of jazz drummer Art Barkley and the Jazzy break in the middle of the song is played on the double bass / uprigth bass (not sure I know the right term in english) by Jakob Munck and not on the electric bass! Cheers from France !
I described this album to my father-in-law, who retired from the Army as a trombonist in the band, as prog-core. Check out Refusef Are Fucking Dead from this album. It has some King Crimson vibes.
my buddy got this on tape the year it came out and immediately called us all over to listen to it. it blew our 17 year old minds. i became obsessed. there really at the time wasn't much like this. the small west coast san Diego scene had some melodic hardcore but for Canadian kids into sick of it all and earth crisis, and refused earlier albums, this was game changing
i think i bought this album 5 times minimum.. still have all copies (never wanted to be without it 🤣) and still get chills listening to it every time. one of my absolute favorites
It's called The Shape Of Punk To Come because nothing sounded like it when it came out and that's still true today. Tannhauser/ Derive is possibly one of the most powerful songs ever and deserves a listen.
As a 20 year metal and hordcore enthusiast and long time guitar player, I never fully got into Refused or gave them much of a chance. But after watching the first few mins of this video, I find myself intrigued and plan to investigate this album and band more in depth in the days and weeks to come! Thanks for always having such a variety of music on your channel, and your positive vibe, knowlegde, and bass skills just make the experience that much better. I'm becoming a big fan of your work bro keep it up : )
Super cool. It sounds like a precursor to bands like Underoath, but obviously more punk. It’s super unique. I love the dynamics with the jazzy parts mixed in.
"The Shape Of Punk To Come" is one of those incredibly rare albums that can not only change punk kids' worlds. It has the capability to create entire new worlds. 26 years old an still as relevant as it was more than a quarter century ago. I haven't come across another masterpiece like it since. Close ones ("Sing The Sorrow" for example) but they are all still one tiny league below this one.
The whole album is produced to emulate a pirated radio broadcast. So everything has that unstable feeling, even in the songs themselves. I bought this album the day after I first heard New Noise in like 98-99 sometime, this completely changed what I listened to and what I thought was possible within that ink/hardcore
I’m loving this channel. So much good punk music i grew up on, love how much enthusiasm you have for it as a first time listener. Shape of Punk to Come was a perfect storm. Just so many bad ass riffs, The Deadly Rhythm is a great choice (although The Shape of Punk to Come is my personal favorite). I have to nominate some Hot Water Music. Jason Black is right up there with Matt Freeman for me as the best bassists in the genre.
One of the best records of all time. Def one of the albums that has permanently altered my conception of what is possible not just within the punk genre, but rock music as a whole.
So much love for this album! It's title is borrowed from "The Shape Of Jazz To Come" and there are more surprises waiting inside. Their next two albums are brilliant too, and God damn they are tight live. So glad you chose Refused!
Refused were one of the first bands to jump start hardcore music into what it has become today, one of my favorite band documentaries of all time is called "refused are fucking dead" it was about how they had to break up even though they were successful and how the music industry and touring is. Theyre in my top 10 all time easily
My work schedule changed and I cannot watch new videos until late night. It's killing me. This is one of the best channels on UA-cam. The Refused have evolved over the years but ultimately are still the same. 🤘
Irei comentar em português (depois traduzo pra inglês): Cara, é muito legal essa introdução que você dá sobre a banda e o álbum! Parabéns pelo trabalho
Wow!!! Really surprised to see you do The Refused.. The Album is an absolute classic. The name and the sleeve gives homage to Ornette Coleman's "The Shape Of Jazz To Come". The full Album name includes "A Chimerical Bombination In 12 Bursts" which totally explains this album. Chimerical - (of a mythical animal) formed from parts of various animals and Bombination - the sound of rapid vibration, a type of sound, or the sudden occurrence of an audible event.
The shape of punk to come blew our minds when we first heard it... It was so different. The whole album is like this song. You never know what will come next, and I really liked that. If you wanna hear more Swedish punk, then I can recommend Millencolin. It's more upbeat skate pop punk kinda style, in the best way possible. Idk if there is any songs that have some great bass, but maybe some of your viewers can help with a specific recommendation?
This album is till this day one of the deepest most complex yet most raw and enjoyable albums I’ve ever heard. Each song takes you on a different journey. This album totally blew my mind in 99 when I got it… Your comment about it being like whacky progressive stuff is exactly what I called it when I first heard it It hardcore punk with progressive and jazz 😅
If you like genre hopping, you should check out some Mr. Bungle. Maybe you've already heard them due to your background in prog metal? The bassist of that group, Trevor Dunn, is incredible. Personally, I'd recommend "Carry Stress in the Jaw" from their album Disco Volante. But that might be too ambitious a starting point. Some of their first album might be more accessible, if that's a word you can even use with Mr. Bungle. I'm thinking songs like "Egg" or "Stubb (a Dub)." Their third album, California, is my favorite, but I don't think there's much that's bass-centric there.
I’m so here for LowEnd University diving into “real” screamo. This is a good transitioning song to make the jump to Orchid (not the big rock band), Ampere, Saetia,..
It cannot be understated how different this album was when it came out as well. Not only from themselves, but from literally anything that existed. This came out in 1998 even other punk bands were nowhere near this.
So lucky as a regular Punk Rock Bowling attendee that I have got the chance to see them play 2 times live now, they are amazing live as well. We even got lucky enough to talk to them post show at the Hotel one year, they were so damn nice and humble.
I got to see them the night before they broke up. Being 17, I didn't see it then, but now I can remember the tension in the room & they put every ounce of frustration & burnout into that set. It was amazing.
If you like how this songs shifts in the middle, you should check out bands like City of Caterpillar, PG.99, Funeral Diner, Circle Takes the Square, Saetia. That'll be a fun journey into something new. Some people label the genre as Skramz, but it's also been labeled as early screamo.
Hey man. I don’t play bass but I watch your videos all the time for some reason. I love how you deconstruct songs in such an intelligent manner. Anyway, I was listening to the best Bright Eyes song (cue the laughs from all your followers) and I was hoping you’d check it out and talk about how a simple bass line can add so much to an emotional, bare bones song. It’s called Something Vague. The bass is not progressive by any means. But it is most definitely a vibe. Love your stuff. Keep making videos.
Nice man, at this point I think you've pretty much done just about every punk reaction I would have suggested. Now that you've made your way to hardcore, Comeback Kid is a damn good band thats pretty bass forward, I'd reccomend Heavy Steps.
So happy you just heard that. It’s a track that was a wrecking ball to my puny punk brain when it came out and I’ve been obsessed with it since. To see even you get perplexed shows they are an unreal band.
What an album. "Songs to fan the flames of discontent" is another one to take a look at. Also, another record that came out around the same period worth checking out is "I Fail" by The Spectacle. Picture this, but from Norway.
This album was, indeed, a big deal in the HC scene at the time. _The shape of punk to come._ It has a very 90s HC sound, but with all the craziness added...
I was looking through the comments to see if there's a connection to Ornette Coleman's 1959 album The Shape Of Jazz to Come featuring Charlie Haden on bass. That album really pushed the envelope of jazz expression at the time just as Refused seemed to be trying to do here, with musicality and jazz influence not common in the punk scene. The band was definitely influenced by jazz, and this song features some samples from Art Blakey performances, though ironically, none from Coleman. If you check out the Ornette Coleman album, you'll see that many of the observations you made about this song could be applied to songs there... it was a VERY different style of jazz.
I first heard this album when I was a senior in high school. 24 years later, still in my top 5 favorite albums. Refused Party Program Hardcore Techno Megamix!
That is one of my favorite albums. I feel like you should know they got back together, and were up to recently playing shows when their lead singer had a massive heart attack. He is doing fine, but they aren't active. He also has a UA-cam channel (Dennis Deepcuts) with a surprising amount of videos and seems like a decent dude all around
The thing about refused is they like to give you that feeling that they are about to go off, and they are don't you worry, but they build the tension. They do this very well live.
This album was so far ahead of it's time, even today. The way they fused hard-core and hard-bop together, especially on "The Deadly Rhythm", there's very little if anything to compare it to. Completely original and groundbreaking. A desert island album for me. It's a bold move naming your album 'The Shape of Punk to Come' like Ornette Coleman did with 'The Shape of Jazz to Come' effectively giving birth to avant-garde/free jazz. It's a Babe Ruth called shot and Refused hits it out of the park.
Fun fact!!!! If anyone has played Cyberpunk 2077, The Refused are the band that did all of the songs by The Samurai!!! Which you can find all of THOSE songs on Spotify as well (totally worth checking out btw)
This is ABSOLUTELY the correct reaction to hearing this song for the first time in isolation. In context to the album there's already been a little bit of genre mashing by this point so it doesn't mess with you quite as hard in sequence, but yeah. What a record. The drop into the stand up bridge is a little bit like the wild decision to drop the electronica section into the New Noise intro. Not the last bit of stand up bass on the record, incidentally.
"The Shape of Punk to Come" FULL-ALBUM Reaction: www.patreon.com/posts/full-album-shape-113108229
If any album deserves a full review its this one, an absolute masterclass in song writing
I second this. I would love to just watch you listen to this album for the first time.
would finally sign up for a patreon just for this
Stuck it in my car for the first time in a while recently, it's an absolute masterclass in sequencing.
Bought it in 1999 when it came out. Nothing sounds like it even now.
a hardcore band that transcends and really created a blueprint for what became Post Hardcore into the 2000s like Million Dead or Native to name two
This album is an absolute monster.
They say the classics never go out of style…
@@wayfarer13 but they do baby, they do.
@@nobirdsnomasters and somehow baby, I never thought that we would too
This album is full tilt insanity, a work of mad genius... and it literally presaged the future of harcore and punk fairly accurately, it was the blueprint which shaped so many bands. They are your favorite bands favorite band.
And it came out in 1998! It sounds like it just came out today. It’s such a fantastic album.
@@1aml3g3nd13yup this album will never age
Maybe for lack of better representation, I'm pretty sure this album does, or should have an artist statement. It does things like use samples, make references in lyric or instrumental to other songs, and just other historical punk stuff, but other sounds and influences of counter culture.
It is record to showcase what the "next steps" were for sounds, concepts and ideas of what the next generation of underground punk was to be.
The album title, The Shape of Punk to Come, is itself a play of Ornette Coleman's The Shape of Jazz to Come that came out in 1959. When knowing that, you can really understand the jazzy parts, and the overall jazz influences on the album.
I think you should really consider doing a full-album reaction to this one. There are just so many great and unique songs, and it was incredibly influential. I'm sure you'll take a lot from it.
Second this.
It’s definitely going on the next Patreon poll. 😎
@@LowEndUniversity Also check out the documentary (directed by their guitarist) 'Refused Are Fucking Dead' (I think it's on UA-cam), it's about their break-up. It's only 38 minutes long, but you really get an insight in their mindset. Really cool band. I interviewed the singer about nine, ten years ago. Nice guy.
Also you'll noticed what they were going for as an album concept as there are no real stops between songs as they are kind of blended together
@@LowEndUniversity I'll join your patreon if you do!
This album blew my mind when I discovered it back in 2001/2002ish and it still sounds just as fresh and powerful today.
it's extraordinary how well the production holds up, you wouldn't blink if it was released today.
I love how a lot of your recent videos (The Decline, Propagandhi, Satanic Surfers, this...) are all about the bands and songs that have shaped my musical taste. There was a real underdog feeling to it, back in the day, not much airplay for these bands (as there was for things like Sum 41 and the like), at least here in Belgium. It's really nice to see someone who wasn't familiar with it be so open to it, and amazed by the musicality of it. People saw us as angry idiots, but there is so much intelligent punk(rock)/hardcore. Your videos are some kind of validation. Thank you very much, it warms the heart. (Also: I'm a bit jealous you get to hear these great songs for the very first time :))
This means a lot, and I’m happy to do it. Thank you!!
agree 100% 🎉
Mark: “What is this?!”
Refused: “It’s the shape of punk to come, of course”
Ny started it! England started it! Who cares? I don't know who started it and I don't give a f! All I know is we did it harder, we did it faster, and we did it with more heart baby!
You should consider doing some At the Drive-In ("Quarantined" or "Enfilade" maybe), another great weird post-hardcore band with super interesting bass that broke up after their big hit album going on to form a huge cult following.
I agree At the Drive-In would be an incredible band to check out!
Yes! ATDI is well worth listening to
This is the way
I just finished a book called sell out, atdi were featured. Have only really heard one song but now I'm keen to delve into their catalogue
Or really anything off of Deloused by Mars Volta
I've heard OF these guys before, but I have never actually heard them until now.. I think I'm in love. Can't believe I've been sleeping on this all these years.
Thanks for the introduction, and whoever requested this, thank you as well.
Love this!
Please do a deep dive, the album before this is 🔥🔥🔥
TSoPtC is my all-time favorite album; it is brilliant. Anarchists making anarchic music with anarchist lyrics; it is the refusal to acknowledge musical rules and norms that engenders the transcendence of the music. I cannot count the number of times I've listened this album over more than 25 years yet it always sounds fresh, new and exciting. It is truly astounding that 4 guys in their early 20s were able to produce something so complex yet cohesive. IMO it is only rivaled, distantly, by The Clash's Combat Rock.
Oh man, 100% agree with your sentiments. Combat Rock is so good, so weird. My fave clash song is "Radio Clash"
Well... tough luck to all the other bands in the next Patreon vote. This will win hands down because Refused is amazing.
Waiting for a Frenzal Rhomb - Punch In The Face video to drop :D
It’s coming!!
@@LowEndUniversity Hells yes!!
that's a band I haven't thought about in a minute. revisiting now. thanks for the reminder!
The Shape Of Punk To Come is pretty much my favourite album of all time. When I first heard it at 13/14 years old I didn't realise how complex and sophisticated it is, but now I'm 35 I notice so much about it. Their previous releases are more straightforward hardcore/punk but for TSOPTC they leaned so much more into experimenting with electronic and jazz elements. It got really bad reviews at the time because so many people didn't really understand it, but it's truly stood the test of time and I'm really happy the band got their flowers in the end.
Fun Fact, when Rage Against the Machine Broke up, The lead singer of Refused was seriously considered as a replacement for Zach. They instead formed Audioslave with Chris Cornell....but imagine what could have been...
Whoa!!
Well, keep in mind that RAtM was formed by people from the Ebullition scene... so they were connected to the HC underground.
Zach was in a hardcore band called Inside Out in the late 80s so they def had roots in the early CA scene
@@1aml3g3nd13 I believe he also did a fanzine. I definitely remember his name from the credits on Ebullition releases (I think they also distro'd his zine).
In an case, we're talking proper punks, not like the MTV pop-punk crap that's been appearing here in the past six months (I can't believe someone actually asked for Less Than Jake... we literally used to use that band to make fun of people).
@@1aml3g3nd13 They made one hell of a 7 inch.
This album is one of my all time favorites. The Deadly Rhythm is my shit!
The shape of punk to come is in my top 10 albums of all time regardless of genre. Hardcore/emo was dipping its toes in the jazz pool around 94’-96’(swing kids). Refused seemed to be heavily influenced by bands like Born Against and the so cal hardcore scene from the early 90s
The San Diego scene had some of the greatest punk and hardcore ever (Swing Kids, Clikatat Ikatowi, Drive Like Jehu, The Locust, Unbroken, Heroin etc) and so many bands adjacent to it as well (Angel Hair, VSS, Jaks, Crossed Out, Jenny Piccolo, The Blood Brothers) that shaped a lot of punk and heavy music
What a week of content! Thank you!! This album definitely deserves a full listen. It’s a divisive album; some people think it’s brilliant and groundbreaking, some people think it’s pretentious art fapping full of ripped off ideas. I fall on the groundbreaking side of things personally. Love this album
Thanks so much man. Some interesting comments already. I’m intrigued!!
The people who think this is pretentious art fapping are welcome to have their own opinion, even if that opinion is plain wrong.
@@wayfarer13 🤣
I love how they disguise old school blues style riff on the last section by playing using a polyrhythmic feel, then at the very end the song they play it more clearly and reveal the trick .
I loved this when it first came out. "Worms Of The Senses / Faculties Of The Skull" is an amazing introduction to an album.
I'm so happy you did Refused. I'm really glad you really liked them. This band has defined my music tastes in music since '98. Hell yeah dude!
When I first heard 'New Noise' back in 1998, it absolutely blew my mind. This album STILL lives in my top ten and one that I wish I could hear for the first time again.
Also, if you've watched 'The Bear', you've heard a section of 'New Noise'.
Oh, nice! The Bear has been on my watch list for a few months now. I worked in the service industry for years so looking forward to watching it soon!
There is SO much jazz influence not in the music, but the album cover itself "imitates the cover of Teen-Age Dance Session (1994) by Rye Coalition, which is of itself a reference to the cover of Teen-Age Dance Session (1954) by Dan Terry."
There is a ton of stuff in the "samples and references" section of wikipedia.
I have been looking through the comments seeing if there was any reference to Ornette Coleman's 1959 album, The Shape of Jazz to Come that shook up the jazz world. That album features one of my favorite jazz bassists, Charlie Haden, who's definitely worth checking out.
Refused is one of my favorite, if not my number 1, bands of all time. Just to think how young they were when they put this out is crazy, specially the drummer David. They formed when he was just 15 and put out 3 albums before breaking up when he was 22. They were all teens, and definitely beyond their years.
I bought this album when it came out. Scandinavia had some good progressive rock bands in the late 90's, Düreforsög - Knee (1996 DK) is an honorable mention. But this album towers over everything else. A true masterpiece from start to finish. I still remember the first time I put CD in my stereo as it was yesterday.
What I really want to say is: This album has become a hidden diamond, and you are lucky to come across it. Listen to the rest of it, start to finish. Honestly, I think it is the best prog-rock album of the 90's. "Knee" was a small original concept that worked great for one album. For me personally, the only albums that even come near this monster masterpiece is Metallica AJFA (1989), Tool Ænima (1996), Tool Lateralus (2001).
Notably, this album made a lot of punks really mad when it came out, because "how dare you tell us what punk is?" and then release one fo the most influential records in the genre.
You ought to check out Shai Hulud, like "Misanthropy Pure" or "Reach Beyond the Sun"
My favorite track on an album full of bangers. Glad to see you do this one!
Since, Swedish punk/hardcore bands seems to have the momentum here from the last couple of videos, I would greatly encourage you to checkout the song Clot by a band named Breach. Having Refused reviewed here on this channel is very nice btw. Thanks for this video man! Cheers!
Great suggestion, and you’re very welcome!
Yes , breach are legends
Still can't believe I got to see these guys live late 2019, never thought I'd see the day.
Listening to this album for the first time is like those movie scenes when something huge hits and you see an eye close-up with the pupil fully dilating
😳
- then the eyeball gets sliced with a strait razor
@@normaleehi nah, you’re thinking of the Pixies 😉
@@kolkenad we can all grow up to be debasers😏
I tried so hard to get my friends into this album when it came out, but none of them got it. Has always been one of my favorites. Cheers!
This album is a work of art! The band launches from tense, coiled quiet into all-out assault-- or, if they're already in assault mode, from one head-spinning riff to another! A full album reaction is definitely required !
Yes! Refused has been in constant play since I discovered this album in 2000. Listen to New Noise. You've heard it. Its been used in so many movies/shows right before shit's about to go down. It's so cool that out of the indie punk dust it was discovered by mainstream as a very emotional build up piece that perfectly sets the stage for some cinematic badassery.
They have actually had a couple following albums after they broke up thay are really good.
Love how much you dig this. This band was such an inspiration for many others
Finally! So happy you got around to it, the whole album is amazing
If i remember correctly, the starting part is a sample of a song in "The Shape of Jazz to Come" by Ornette Coleman. Also the cover artwork of the album is a tribute to that album... i can't find it online, but i am 100% sure that there was a version that is identical.
And the "solo" bass part was recorded on a double bass.
I saw them live a couple of times, and that part was skipped, sadly...
If you want to know more there was a DVD that went out a while back called " Refused are fu**ing dead" made by the drummer if I remeber well. They all told the story of the band, their views on why they disbanded...etc
Found a link here ua-cam.com/video/7c4R47oAyAc/v-deo.htmlsi=1ePSp70ZqkGtsUCY
I did not upload this but have fun
This DVD was probably one of my very last DVD purchases, lol. So good.
They broke up at a house party of all fuckin' things
Yes! The legends REFUSED! I was late on these guys.. I bought this because of the cover and it was an Epitaph records release. Had the same exact reaction as you. What is this? Good stuff man
As a guitarist, this is my fav channel. I learn so much! Thank you for being awesome!
Wow, thanks! Appreciate you.
@@LowEndUniversity thank you!!!
@@LowEndUniversity do you teach anything guitar related by the way? Or does anything you teach on bass translate over?
Hey! On Patreon, I have 8-9 courses for bass, about 200 lessons or so. While some are geared toward bass techniques and such, I do have an "Ear Training" and a "Music Theory" course that can apply to anyone. They're older lessons I filmed several years ago, but I'd recommend those if you're interested in learning from me. Cheers!
@@LowEndUniversity awesome! I'll check them out!
Thrice - Paper Tigers or Hoods on Peregrine from The Artist in the Ambulance.
Hi Mark !
First message here, first of all thank you for your content that I have been following for some time now! Especially the series on Punk and its diversity, it always does something to see someone discover songs that have touched us and that have been with us for years.
For information, the introduction of the song is a sample of jazz drummer Art Barkley and the Jazzy break in the middle of the song is played on the double bass / uprigth bass (not sure I know the right term in english) by Jakob Munck and not on the electric bass!
Cheers from France !
definitly one of the all time greatest albums. the whole thing is a journey that no other harcore band ever captured
I described this album to my father-in-law, who retired from the Army as a trombonist in the band, as prog-core. Check out Refusef Are Fucking Dead from this album. It has some King Crimson vibes.
"Risin' Up" by Pipedown
"40 Hour Week" by The Code
"You'd do the Same" by Anti-Flag
"Like the Angel" by Rise Against 👌🏻🤘🏻
New Model Army Stuart Morrow is the name of one of the best bass players on this planet. Vengeance and No Rest albums are pure bass class.
my buddy got this on tape the year it came out and immediately called us all over to listen to it. it blew our 17 year old minds. i became obsessed. there really at the time wasn't much like this. the small west coast san Diego scene had some melodic hardcore but for Canadian kids into sick of it all and earth crisis, and refused earlier albums, this was game changing
You’re almost at 100,000 subscribers Mark!! Keep up the great job!
That's one of my favorite albums ever! Thanks for that! ;)
Thank you Fat Wreck comps for introducing me to great bands like this. This album has gotta be in my personal top 10
i think i bought this album 5 times minimum.. still have all copies (never wanted to be without it 🤣) and still get chills listening to it every time. one of my absolute favorites
when i learned drums for the first time, i played this album on repeat. This song is one of the most fun drum tracks ive ever played.
It's called The Shape Of Punk To Come because nothing sounded like it when it came out and that's still true today. Tannhauser/ Derive is possibly one of the most powerful songs ever and deserves a listen.
Not sure how I missed this one but damn man you are killing it! One of the best albums of all time.
This album rips!! Highly suggest you listening to all of it. Great reaction as always!
Incredible album. One of my favorites. Gunna have to give it a few more spins today.
As a 20 year metal and hordcore enthusiast and long time guitar player, I never fully got into Refused or gave them much of a chance. But after watching the first few mins of this video, I find myself intrigued and plan to investigate this album and band more in depth in the days and weeks to come! Thanks for always having such a variety of music on your channel, and your positive vibe, knowlegde, and bass skills just make the experience that much better. I'm becoming a big fan of your work bro keep it up : )
This means a lot, and I really appreciate you!!
The Shape of Punk to Come is such a gret album!! Chaos has never felt so good
Super cool. It sounds like a precursor to bands like Underoath, but obviously more punk. It’s super unique. I love the dynamics with the jazzy parts mixed in.
"The Shape Of Punk To Come" is one of those incredibly rare albums that can not only change punk kids' worlds. It has the capability to create entire new worlds.
26 years old an still as relevant as it was more than a quarter century ago. I haven't come across another masterpiece like it since. Close ones ("Sing The Sorrow" for example) but they are all still one tiny league below this one.
The whole album is produced to emulate a pirated radio broadcast. So everything has that unstable feeling, even in the songs themselves. I bought this album the day after I first heard New Noise in like 98-99 sometime, this completely changed what I listened to and what I thought was possible within that ink/hardcore
I’m loving this channel. So much good punk music i grew up on, love how much enthusiasm you have for it as a first time listener. Shape of Punk to Come was a perfect storm. Just so many bad ass riffs, The Deadly Rhythm is a great choice (although The Shape of Punk to Come is my personal favorite).
I have to nominate some Hot Water Music. Jason Black is right up there with Matt Freeman for me as the best bassists in the genre.
One of the best records of all time. Def one of the albums that has permanently altered my conception of what is possible not just within the punk genre, but rock music as a whole.
Nice! Im glad you’re doing this. This album is super slept on!
So much love for this album! It's title is borrowed from "The Shape Of Jazz To Come" and there are more surprises waiting inside. Their next two albums are brilliant too, and God damn they are tight live. So glad you chose Refused!
That guitar progression in combination with the drums at 9:56 is so damn cool! I wondered if you would notice and you did 😃
Refused were one of the first bands to jump start hardcore music into what it has become today, one of my favorite band documentaries of all time is called "refused are fucking dead" it was about how they had to break up even though they were successful and how the music industry and touring is. Theyre in my top 10 all time easily
My work schedule changed and I cannot watch new videos until late night. It's killing me. This is one of the best channels on UA-cam. The Refused have evolved over the years but ultimately are still the same. 🤘
That’s high praise and means a lot! It’ll be here when you’re ready! 😎🙏🏼
This was one of those albums….and you knew it right away. One of my favorites.
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Cara, é muito legal essa introdução que você dá sobre a banda e o álbum! Parabéns pelo trabalho
Watching you have your mind blown by this track was like hearing it again for the first time. Thanks for making my week!
Happy to hear that!
Wow!!! Really surprised to see you do The Refused.. The Album is an absolute classic. The name and the sleeve gives homage to Ornette Coleman's "The Shape Of Jazz To Come". The full Album name includes "A Chimerical Bombination In 12 Bursts" which totally explains this album. Chimerical - (of a mythical animal) formed from parts of various animals and Bombination - the sound of rapid vibration, a type of sound, or the sudden occurrence of an audible event.
Amazing album! Too cerebral for me when it came out and finally clicked for me a few years later. Tannhauser is another super interesting song.
The shape of punk to come blew our minds when we first heard it... It was so different. The whole album is like this song. You never know what will come next, and I really liked that.
If you wanna hear more Swedish punk, then I can recommend Millencolin. It's more upbeat skate pop punk kinda style, in the best way possible. Idk if there is any songs that have some great bass, but maybe some of your viewers can help with a specific recommendation?
This album STILL RULES. A singular achievement in the genre(s)....definitely belongs on all those BEST OF lists. Listen to the ENTIRE album!
This album is till this day one of the deepest most complex yet most raw and enjoyable albums I’ve ever heard.
Each song takes you on a different journey.
This album totally blew my mind in 99 when I got it…
Your comment about it being like whacky progressive stuff is exactly what I called it when I first heard it
It hardcore punk with progressive and jazz 😅
Yeah, finally you did the Refused. They're so awesome, and this album is... well, a masterpiece. Hope you'll enjoy the other tracks as well :)
If you like genre hopping, you should check out some Mr. Bungle. Maybe you've already heard them due to your background in prog metal? The bassist of that group, Trevor Dunn, is incredible. Personally, I'd recommend "Carry Stress in the Jaw" from their album Disco Volante. But that might be too ambitious a starting point. Some of their first album might be more accessible, if that's a word you can even use with Mr. Bungle. I'm thinking songs like "Egg" or "Stubb (a Dub)." Their third album, California, is my favorite, but I don't think there's much that's bass-centric there.
I’m so here for LowEnd University diving into “real” screamo. This is a good transitioning song to make the jump to Orchid (not the big rock band), Ampere, Saetia,..
One of the greatest albums ever written and maybe the most accurate album title.
It cannot be understated how different this album was when it came out as well. Not only from themselves, but from literally anything that existed. This came out in 1998 even other punk bands were nowhere near this.
So lucky as a regular Punk Rock Bowling attendee that I have got the chance to see them play 2 times live now, they are amazing live as well. We even got lucky enough to talk to them post show at the Hotel one year, they were so damn nice and humble.
I got to see them the night before they broke up. Being 17, I didn't see it then, but now I can remember the tension in the room & they put every ounce of frustration & burnout into that set. It was amazing.
If you like how this songs shifts in the middle, you should check out bands like City of Caterpillar, PG.99, Funeral Diner, Circle Takes the Square, Saetia. That'll be a fun journey into something new. Some people label the genre as Skramz, but it's also been labeled as early screamo.
Hey man. I don’t play bass but I watch your videos all the time for some reason. I love how you deconstruct songs in such an intelligent manner. Anyway, I was listening to the best Bright Eyes song (cue the laughs from all your followers) and I was hoping you’d check it out and talk about how a simple bass line can add so much to an emotional, bare bones song. It’s called Something Vague. The bass is not progressive by any means. But it is most definitely a vibe. Love your stuff. Keep making videos.
Thank you my friend! I really appreciate the nice words, and your time to watch the channel. Cheers! I'll add it to my list!
this album blew my mind when it came out!
Nice man, at this point I think you've pretty much done just about every punk reaction I would have suggested. Now that you've made your way to hardcore, Comeback Kid is a damn good band thats pretty bass forward, I'd reccomend Heavy Steps.
Comeback Kid is a must.
So happy you just heard that. It’s a track that was a wrecking ball to my puny punk brain when it came out and I’ve been obsessed with it since.
To see even you get perplexed shows they are an unreal band.
What an album. "Songs to fan the flames of discontent" is another one to take a look at.
Also, another record that came out around the same period worth checking out is "I Fail" by The Spectacle. Picture this, but from Norway.
This album was, indeed, a big deal in the HC scene at the time. _The shape of punk to come._
It has a very 90s HC sound, but with all the craziness added...
I was looking through the comments to see if there's a connection to Ornette Coleman's 1959 album The Shape Of Jazz to Come featuring Charlie Haden on bass. That album really pushed the envelope of jazz expression at the time just as Refused seemed to be trying to do here, with musicality and jazz influence not common in the punk scene. The band was definitely influenced by jazz, and this song features some samples from Art Blakey performances, though ironically, none from Coleman. If you check out the Ornette Coleman album, you'll see that many of the observations you made about this song could be applied to songs there... it was a VERY different style of jazz.
I first heard this album when I was a senior in high school. 24 years later, still in my top 5 favorite albums. Refused Party Program Hardcore Techno Megamix!
That is one of my favorite albums.
I feel like you should know they got back together, and were up to recently playing shows when their lead singer had a massive heart attack. He is doing fine, but they aren't active. He also has a UA-cam channel (Dennis Deepcuts) with a surprising amount of videos and seems like a decent dude all around
I did a bass play through of this on my channel a while back and it took me AGES to figure out haha
Nice!!!
The thing about refused is they like to give you that feeling that they are about to go off, and they are don't you worry, but they build the tension. They do this very well live.
This album was so far ahead of it's time, even today. The way they fused hard-core and hard-bop together, especially on "The Deadly Rhythm", there's very little if anything to compare it to. Completely original and groundbreaking. A desert island album for me.
It's a bold move naming your album 'The Shape of Punk to Come' like Ornette Coleman did with 'The Shape of Jazz to Come' effectively giving birth to avant-garde/free jazz. It's a Babe Ruth called shot and Refused hits it out of the park.
So awesome to watch you experience this track for the first time!!!
Bro your face when the beat kicked back in at 8:43. That's the reason this album will live in infamy always.
This album is bonkers. I saw the video for New Noise on MTV (when they still played music videos), bought the album and was blown away.
Fun fact!!!! If anyone has played Cyberpunk 2077, The Refused are the band that did all of the songs by The Samurai!!! Which you can find all of THOSE songs on Spotify as well (totally worth checking out btw)
This is ABSOLUTELY the correct reaction to hearing this song for the first time in isolation. In context to the album there's already been a little bit of genre mashing by this point so it doesn't mess with you quite as hard in sequence, but yeah. What a record. The drop into the stand up bridge is a little bit like the wild decision to drop the electronica section into the New Noise intro. Not the last bit of stand up bass on the record, incidentally.