WOW - Breaking in Brake pads - Counter intuitive - but I was in no uncertain terms told to brake really harshly three times to heat cycle them when I upgraded my Porsche brakes. DYODD 7:24 - don't catch the fluid - clamp off the pipe first!
Great video, I was looking into brake upgrades, took my 2017 sportwagen to a autocross / track day for the first time on oem brakes, autocross was fine but after the laps around the track my brakes were overheating and making a good amount of smoke when we were done. I am thinking larger rotors can help with the heat... Also going to change the fluid with something better as it is due anyway. Just recently found this channel and it is perfect, I have a 2017 sportwagen 4motion that I have owned for 3 years now and I am ready to start doing some updgrades so this channel is a god send for me...
@@DadWagon some oem equivalents forgot the name unfortunately, I wanted to try it mostly stock (I have a JB1) first to get a baseline and to be honest it was not bad on the autocross, but I did not realize we would do a few hotlaps on the race track and I was trying to keep up with a camaro zl1 so after about 10 laps my brakes were starting to fade (track is a little over a mile long and this was my first time so I am sure I was not braking as smoothly as I should). Fortunately after letting them cool for a bit they felt fine on the hour and a half ride home. My brother took his GTI sport out too, we had a blast. Definitly going to focus on handling and brakes first as I would like to do more autocross.
I also did this upgrade on my Leon, going from 288 to 312. But many people are wrong and only change the carrier, when what is necessary is to change the caliper as well. At first glance they look the same but they are not. 288mm (PR 1ZE) takes the TRW caliper marked "GNO 15". 312mm (PR 1ZA) is the "GNO 16". They look the same but there is a small difference in height, so when using the 312mm carrier with the "GNO 15" caliper, it causes poor piston support on the pads and irregular disc wear. I also recommend using a torque wrench to give the necessary torque to the screws, and threadlocker your safety depends on it. And you should have put new copper washers when bolting the brake lines to the calipers.
You are absolutely correct, the 288 mm calipers use 55 mm pistons and the 312 mm calipers use 57 mm pistons. Reusing the old 55 mm piston calipers is a common mistake on this upgrade. Note that the "15" and "16" markings refer to the minimum required stock VW wheel sizes (15" for 288 mm, 16" for 312 mm).
How does the superwrap hold up to heat? I track my car and will be putting the 340mm rotor with PP Caliper/carrier and wanted to refinish it before I install. Think it'll work for me if I get them to 500°F lol?
Haha. Honestly, I don’t push my car nearly to that limit but I will say the brake calipers held up much better than the wheels. I think it’s due to the really thick and well done coats I did. Wheels just have so much surface area and I was afraid to lay it down nice and thick. Give it a shot.
To be safe, use a torque wrench when reinstalling brake components - your life depends on it. Golf MK 7 front brake torque settings: Caliper bracket bolts: 148 ft lbs (200 N m); Caliper to carrier bolts: 26 ft lbs (35 N m); Rotor set screws: 3 ft lbs or 36 in lbs (4 N m). The caliper to carrier bolts are thread locked and VW recommends replacing them with new bolts.
@@DadWagon thank you for your frankness then have you ever noticed any weird reaction/action on abs since the upgrade? My brake pads and rotors are about to finish so I want to make this upgrade too because the extra cost is only caliper carriers and thank you for sharing the informative video and your experience.
@@melih4695 I haven't experienced any thing out of the ordinary since upgraded - although, i probably have not triggered the ABS system in any of my driving since upgrading. I work from home, so don't put a ton of miles on this car on a regular basis even if it is my daily driver. The biggest change is the travel of the pedal and smoothness in braking versus the old rotors.
@@DadWagon Hi. Coding is rather necessary if you change your discs for larger diameter. I have completed exactly the same upgrade and noticed inconsistent ABS reaction before adjusting the ABS pump. Without coding it was kicking in waaaaay to late (and to agresively) and towards the end of the deceleration it was engaging the rear discs with to much force hence the increased diving effect. After coding the pump things got back to normal with the added stopping power, so if anyone is considering this mod the answer is: yes, take coding into account. It's all for the safety after all.
I found out that the 4motion Sportwagen and Alltrack use the same calipers and rotors on the rear as the GTI non performance. Also interestingly MK6 GTI is same as MK7. Some years front wheel drive Sportwagen uses a smaller rotor in the rear, but not the 4 motion. I only just found this out when I ordered a set of GTI calipers and rotors and to my dismay they were the same as what I already had from factory. But now they will be red, so that’s ok! Thanks for the video!
excellent point - but nothing is for nothing,,,,,,, having said that - same calipers and pads so the only extra weight is the 24mm of vented disc. No biggie - unlike the Dude that used ML350 Rotors with IMMENSE Cayenne calipers,, Carbon rotors?? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
@@CosmicSeeker69 The 312mm calipers are slightly larger and heavier than the 288mm calipers, but not by much. The 288mm calipers should always be replaced with 312mm calipers when performing this brake upgrade.
Love to see other people doing this awesome budget bbk for the 1.8t. A huge improvement over stock brakes even after 5k miles on mine. Great video!
Thanks buddy and thanks for checking it out. I love it so far.
Nice seeing videos of the 1.8 golfs getting modded
Thanks for this. I just bought a mk7.5 Golf GTE. I watched a lot of your vids before I bought my golf. I plan to do a lot of the same mods.
Nice video. I'm planning on going down this route for my golf R-line next time I need to replace the brakes.
WOW - Breaking in Brake pads - Counter intuitive - but I was in no uncertain terms told to brake really harshly three times to heat cycle them when I upgraded my Porsche brakes. DYODD 7:24 - don't catch the fluid - clamp off the pipe first!
Great video, I was looking into brake upgrades, took my 2017 sportwagen to a autocross / track day for the first time on oem brakes, autocross was fine but after the laps around the track my brakes were overheating and making a good amount of smoke when we were done. I am thinking larger rotors can help with the heat... Also going to change the fluid with something better as it is due anyway. Just recently found this channel and it is perfect, I have a 2017 sportwagen 4motion that I have owned for 3 years now and I am ready to start doing some updgrades so this channel is a god send for me...
Awesome and thanks for watching. Love that you're getting. your car out for some laps. What brake pads were you using for the autocross?
@@DadWagon some oem equivalents forgot the name unfortunately, I wanted to try it mostly stock (I have a JB1) first to get a baseline and to be honest it was not bad on the autocross, but I did not realize we would do a few hotlaps on the race track and I was trying to keep up with a camaro zl1 so after about 10 laps my brakes were starting to fade (track is a little over a mile long and this was my first time so I am sure I was not braking as smoothly as I should). Fortunately after letting them cool for a bit they felt fine on the hour and a half ride home. My brother took his GTI sport out too, we had a blast. Definitly going to focus on handling and brakes first as I would like to do more autocross.
I also did this upgrade on my Leon, going from 288 to 312. But many people are wrong and only change the carrier, when what is necessary is to change the caliper as well. At first glance they look the same but they are not. 288mm (PR 1ZE) takes the TRW caliper marked "GNO 15". 312mm (PR 1ZA) is the "GNO 16". They look the same but there is a small difference in height, so when using the 312mm carrier with the "GNO 15" caliper, it causes poor piston support on the pads and irregular disc wear.
I also recommend using a torque wrench to give the necessary torque to the screws, and threadlocker your safety depends on it.
And you should have put new copper washers when bolting the brake lines to the calipers.
You are absolutely correct, the 288 mm calipers use 55 mm pistons and the 312 mm calipers use 57 mm pistons. Reusing the old 55 mm piston calipers is a common mistake on this upgrade. Note that the "15" and "16" markings refer to the minimum required stock VW wheel sizes (15" for 288 mm, 16" for 312 mm).
Do you have this caliper partnumbers?@@valuedcustomer9614
As usual, great vid! Thanks for the breakdown
Plan to upgrade MK VII 1.4 TSI rotor too, thanks for sharing
Nice one and congrats on getting almost to 1K! RS3 ducts should be next. The pads are actually the same between 288 and 312.
As always, thanks for watching and for the added expertise.
Thanks for this video! I love this. Was thinking of going 323mm to go with my IS38, but I am very much looking at this, now.
Glad it was helpful! It really just comes down to how much you're ready to spend. Most upgrades in this department will have great results.
How does the superwrap hold up to heat? I track my car and will be putting the 340mm rotor with PP Caliper/carrier and wanted to refinish it before I install. Think it'll work for me if I get them to 500°F lol?
Haha. Honestly, I don’t push my car nearly to that limit but I will say the brake calipers held up much better than the wheels. I think it’s due to the really thick and well done coats I did. Wheels just have so much surface area and I was afraid to lay it down nice and thick. Give it a shot.
I'm going back to your old videos to look for something I missed.... when did he get the studs in there? VWs have bolts, not studs...
Here’s is the video for that install ua-cam.com/video/u8r6vC7Hsv0/v-deo.html
To be safe, use a torque wrench when reinstalling brake components - your life depends on it. Golf MK 7 front brake torque settings: Caliper bracket bolts: 148 ft lbs (200 N m); Caliper to carrier bolts: 26 ft lbs (35 N m); Rotor set screws: 3 ft lbs or 36 in lbs (4 N m). The caliper to carrier bolts are thread locked and VW recommends replacing them with new bolts.
Great comment and thanks for sharing the specs. All bolts were torqued on the project.
What about Vag-Com coding for new rotors on 03 ABS module, not necessary?
Good question. No idea…
@@DadWagon thank you for your frankness then have you ever noticed any weird reaction/action on abs since the upgrade? My brake pads and rotors are about to finish so I want to make this upgrade too because the extra cost is only caliper carriers and thank you for sharing the informative video and your experience.
@@melih4695 I haven't experienced any thing out of the ordinary since upgraded - although, i probably have not triggered the ABS system in any of my driving since upgrading. I work from home, so don't put a ton of miles on this car on a regular basis even if it is my daily driver. The biggest change is the travel of the pedal and smoothness in braking versus the old rotors.
@@DadWagon thx dude, pedal travel and smoothness really helped.
@@DadWagon Hi. Coding is rather necessary if you change your discs for larger diameter. I have completed exactly the same upgrade and noticed inconsistent ABS reaction before adjusting the ABS pump. Without coding it was kicking in waaaaay to late (and to agresively) and towards the end of the deceleration it was engaging the rear discs with to much force hence the increased diving effect. After coding the pump things got back to normal with the added stopping power, so if anyone is considering this mod the answer is: yes, take coding into account. It's all for the safety after all.
Did you have to replace the stock front dust shields with larger ones? Looks like you didn't and the 312mm rotors fit without any clearance issues.
I did not replace the dust shields and they fit well.
VW 288 mm and 312 mm front brakes use the same dust shields - they do not need to be replaced when making this upgrade.
I have a 2016 golf sportwagen FWD. can I do this same conversion?
Yes
pourquoi tu changes l'étrier ? c'est pas déjà du 57mmd'origine avec les disques de 288 mm ?
Are the rears also bigger GTI diameter rotors and calipers?
They are not - they are the stock brakes from a 4motion sportwagen
I found out that the 4motion Sportwagen and Alltrack use the same calipers and rotors on the rear as the GTI non performance. Also interestingly MK6 GTI is same as MK7. Some years front wheel drive Sportwagen uses a smaller rotor in the rear, but not the 4 motion. I only just found this out when I ordered a set of GTI calipers and rotors and to my dismay they were the same as what I already had from factory. But now they will be red, so that’s ok! Thanks for the video!
@@CarsandCoding yay for red! :) no problem and enjoy the install
The rears are only bigger (with vented rotors) with VW 340 mm front brakes.
Does anyone know how to adjust the ABS? preferably via VCDS 😊
For a minute there I thought you weren’t going to bleed the brakes!!
You increse unsprung mass
correct.
excellent point - but nothing is for nothing,,,,,,, having said that - same calipers and pads so the only extra weight is the 24mm of vented disc. No biggie - unlike the Dude that used ML350 Rotors with IMMENSE Cayenne calipers,, Carbon rotors?? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
@@CosmicSeeker69 The 312mm calipers are slightly larger and heavier than the 288mm calipers, but not by much. The 288mm calipers should always be replaced with 312mm calipers when performing this brake upgrade.