I don’t think the Swiss are “done” so to speak, but Germany and Japan brands have changed the game the same way the Swiss did coming from the French dominated watch era
Swiss dominance in the industry has been done. Obviously they'll still remain a huge part of watchmaking. They won't be the best watch makers at any price point though. Over time Swiss watchmaking will cease to be the thought of as top tier. Already I'd say A. Lange has taken the crown as the best watch maker.
@@alexhurt7919 Lange are tremendous, don't get me wrong. But they still can't make their own cases or bracelets - Sinn make them for them. And the Big Date complication on Lange's were actually given to them by JLC due to being in Richemont. Their finishing is top level though but it's not a fully integrated watchmaker yet.
@@dimman77 I'm quite sure Sinn's cases are still made by SUG, well Sinn own SUG now. The Lange Odysseus white gold model still has the SUG hallmark. You can see it on the case back.
The most impressive part to me is that the quality of the videos have been this great since the beginning! Usually channels grow into this but not this channel. I'm not even a watch collector and I'm sucked into this world of watchmakers and small intricacies of each watch shown because of the great camera work and narration.
The Credor is sublime. If I owned it, I fear my mind would find enlightenment leaving my body staring at the dial with vacant eyes and spittle drooling down my chin in some mental institution.
When I had my rolex watches I noticed that all I really 'looked' at was the name rolex and I think that's the great trick. They've made such a deal of the name that you don't ogle anything else because there's nothing else to ogle. Now I have my GS watches I'm constantly in flux. One minute admiring the dial, then the hands, then the incredible case work, and it goes on and on. Rarely do I look at and admire the name. That, for me, is the mark of a truly great watch. If you can remove the name and it still look brilliant. The ALS and Credor don't need the name there to be amazing.
@@WatchMeEDC did you see the review of the annual calender (H Moser) they did? So understated and just very very cool. A real 'if you know, you know' watch.
@@michaeleccles3336 I did. Moser is really building up some serious momentum with collectors and enthusiasts. The fumé dials are just fantastic, along with the exaggerated sapphire crystals and case shapes, they have really created a unique style in a very short time.
Credor! Its refreshing to see a video on Credor which is an unknown brand to many unless your a hardcore watch collector! I do agree Japan and Germany are giving the swiss a run for their money and with Grand Seiko's introduction of the constant force tourbillon they are on their way to be in the same conversation as Patek!
Its more that the brand is targeted heavily for the Japanese internal market and not marketed in the west. The designs are almost entirely "arty", avant-garde dress watches and doesn't fit the aesthetics popular outside of Japan. Grand Seiko designs are more conservative/familiar and does much better in the west, so they have focused their marketing on that instead.
@@bighands69 There are quite a few high-end watches whose dial is unrecognizeable due to a shitload of subdials or addedd functions or even watches that don't have a dial at all.
Few watches can hold up to the super macro at high magnification used here. These 2 can. This is extraordinary finishing at a level so high that it is an insane level of attention to detail.
There are countless examples of Swiss watches surpassing Grand Seiko in technicality and AL&S in craft. Examples are independent watchmakers like Laurent Ferrier but also larger manufacturers like PP, Bréguet and Journe
@@matthieudarbord737 Ferrier doesn't do any work himself. Just buys in expensive parts. Journe watches are notoriously unreliable, some going back for months-long warranty work within weeks of purchased new. And Breguet is still using dressed up old Lemania and Longines movements in some of their watches. And seriously what Swiss watch matches the technical aspects of the Grand Seiko 9R02 Spring Drive?
A Lange is my ultimate watch. They are so simple yet beautiful. I'm still saving. I will eventually have to sell some of what I have to afford one, but I will afford one.
@@jimlittle5769 I was thinking to myself today. I will sell all the watches I have, buy an A. Lange and a Casio (my gshock is down) and I'll be done. Maybe I will do that one morning after I wake up.
@@MICHAELZHANGCA when I get my ALS, I am sure at least a couple of my watches will be traded in to help with the cost and because, really, once I have that I'll be wanting to wear it a good chunk of time so others will go because they just won't be worn.
Both the ALS and the Credor shown here are lovely pieces, but I would give the nod to the Credor for showing a bit more personality while still being restrained enough to be a proper dress watch. A tough thing to pull off but the folks at the Shizukuishi Watch Studio did it and did it well in my opinion. The thinner movement of the Credor is also a big plus for me.
A. Lange & Söhne is on an other level compared to the Swiss. Although King and Grand Seiko was the reason of many watch "contests" in the 60s and 70s to be terminated by the Swiss, because of the Japanese winning at them😱🥰
@@bighands69 A. Lange's history is in fact almost as old as PPs. It just was interrupted by 43 years of communist dictatorship. The current company is a re-foundation, established in 1990 but its origins go back to 1845.
@@einundsiebenziger5488 The current A. Lange & Söhne is a company that was resurrected in 1990 and is not the company of 1845 years ago. A. Lange & Söhne makes really nice watches and they most certainly will keep the Swiss on their toes but I would not say best ever.
Credor dial is just from other planet , hell of a art 🔥🔥🔥 but I will go for Lange anyway. Your macro video justifiing have crazy finishing they do on movement 🤯
The view at 7:03 is one to behold with the gold chatons, screwed balance, blued screws, (engraved) swan's neck regulator, waves on the top plate. Is there even a Swiss watch with that view?
I'll never have enough discretionary money to afford either so your video is likely the closest I ever get but I can still vicariously appreciate the beauty of both these pieces thanks to your words and pics. Thank you for that.
It's a good day when Watchfinder releases a new video. A. Lange & Söhne is my grail brand. And to me they're better than any Patek, Vacheron, or Audemars.
4:38 -- (paraphrasing) "the battle can't be won by numbers, but instead another way... the Saxonia's weapon is perfection"... And we hear the narrator say this as we watch the ALS's rough-hewn minutes hand contrasted by the Credor's fully-finished-front-and-back minutes hand. ;-)
And then comes the several Swiss independent watchmaker like Jean Daniel Nicolas(or Daniel Roth) that surpasses both Credor and Lange. And yes, it goes both ways with Independent Japanese, German, English and Dutch watchmakers.
This is one of the reasons it's difficult to compare watchmakers at that level. If one thinks Patek is the best manufacturer out there, it's a given that the person is not comparing Patek to Andreas Strehler, Greubel Forsey, or Philippe Dufour.
Wow... I have a theory that the CEO of Patek Phillipe behind closed doors pulls open a draw and places a A.Lange & Sohne on their wrist and just stares! Maybe just maybe?
As always, a very interesting video on the artistry of timepieces. Just a bit of FYI regarding the Credor and the dial technique. It's pronounced Mo - ku - meh and it translates to "wood grain", which is the pattern made by the folding over of the metals as in the folds of a Japanese sword. This would have been a more accurate example given the context, rather than Damascus. Gane refers to the gold of the dial. So...
Mokume isn't made by folding. It's a single layered billet of individual sheets that is fired while wrapped in wire for tension to a temperature that the metals start to 'sweat' and diffusion bond. The billet is then removed from heat and struck with a hammer to complete the bond. Then it's cooled and treated like a single block of metal. Forged, rolled, etc... Textured unevenly it is then filed flat to create the pattern.
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I have been into watches for prob about 10 years years now, and have known about the major players for prob twice that time. In that time i learned of A. Lange & Söhne and Glashutte. The Swiss have long since lost their "dominance", even before this speck of a human and his love of watches came on to the stage. Having said that i wouldn't kick a Patek Philippe out of bed if you know what I mean!
I disagree. There is such a thing as taking the clean and elegant look too far and I believe ALS did it with this piece. It looks positively sterile. I give the nod to the Credor here if only for showing a bit more personality.
@@jakekaywell5972 I actually think the ALS looks very well done and beautiful, it's so simple, clear and easy to look at, but I understand where you're coming from :D
Great video as always!! Fruit for thought... If you take a step back and look at the famous watchmaker's in the past and the present, the founder's of famous ''Swiss'' brands and today's ''independant'' watchmakers... There isn't many Swiss! (Except for a few like Philippe Dufour, David Candaux, Andreas Strehler or Antoine Preziuso...) Hans Wilsdorf founded Rolex in London, he was an Englishman of German origin... Patek was Polish and Philippe was French... Breguet was part French and founded his company in Paris... IWC was founded by F.A Jones, who was American... Jaeger was also French... Etc...etc... Basically, today as yesterday, Switzerland is stable place to be! I'm a huge fan of Seiko so I can't say much here other than they are amazing in every price range! The day they open a flagship store in Geneva, I'll quite whatever I'm doing and work for them with pleasure! Lange is probably one of the best brands money can buy at the moment however, bare in mind that it is owned by Richemont (just as you guys!) and the only reason why things are going nicely for them is because they are far from Geneva! Know what I mean? 😅
Amazing watches and nice videos. Quick suggestion, could you please make a video with the metiers d’art line from Vacheron Constantin. I think those watches design and production is incredible. Unfortunately, the price is quite high.
I'd be really interested to see Andrew do more videos about Credor! Vintage Credor watches can be obtained for relatively little money, but I really haven't got a clue on their quality. Anyone have some input on this?
Remember in the 60s when Seiko beat the swiss at their own game in the chronometer competitions? remember how the swiss shut down these competitions and banned Seiko (any non European brand for that matter) from participating ever again? the swiss have been resting on their laurels for decades. time to wake up
I too enjoy making up history to fit my narrative. It was the 60s and 70s not the 90s. Seiko did manage to win, but as quartz came onto the scene the competitions were ended as a whole, they didn't ban non-swiss companies, there was just no more competition.
@@gabrielwillis9078 I did get the date wrong (fixed now) but I don't think it changes much and I certainly wasn't making stuff up to suit my narrative. The swiss restarted the Chronometer competitions in 2009 and added a rule that stated: “All parts used to build the movement must be made within Europe.” Basically preventing their main competition from participating ever again. sore losers maybe? watchesbysjx.com/2013/06/explaining-seikos-legendary-history-in-swiss-chronometer-trials-with-live-pictures-of-its-landmark-astronomical-observatory-chronometer.html
@@gabrielwillis9078 Shut up Gabriel. They brought back the compitition in 2009 with the condition that all watch parts have to be made in Europe. You are dillusional to suck up on the Swiss.
Although the Credors finishing is nothing but perfect. The finishing on the movement still feels industrial next to the ALS. The Lange has got more emotion and tradition in it
@@jakekaywell5972 from the front I agree. The dial is more classic and sterile. But the movement decoration is more ‘in your face’ and like traditional pocket watches.
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I'm a Lange fanboy, but the dial on that Credor... My god is it beautiful
Yep, but that movement of the ALS with the gold chatons, screwed balance, blued screws, swan's neck regulator, waves on the top plate...blow it away.
@@TucsonDude Lange for sure make THE prettiest movements in the world, but GS/Credor step it up more with their dials
It looks like you could taste it.
Its always a romance story until reference numbers come to play 😂
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"How about a gold dial?"
"Which gold?"
"Yes."
My favorite part too
This has recently became my favourite meme *YES*
The way this guy speaks is humorous yet elegant
"All of them"
Hmmm....would anyone really expect any high end watch company not to be able to provide a particular type of gold?
Credor will always be one of my grail watch brands. They make amazing dials.
I'm actually amazed you guys managed to get that Credor in the channel
Since they’re part of Richemont group, that probably helped them pull the strings easier
@@hathaway.1166 Richemont have nothing to do with Credor?
4:53 just look at that mirror finish
I don’t think the Swiss are “done” so to speak, but Germany and Japan brands have changed the game the same way the Swiss did coming from the French dominated watch era
Swiss dominance in the industry has been done. Obviously they'll still remain a huge part of watchmaking. They won't be the best watch makers at any price point though. Over time Swiss watchmaking will cease to be the thought of as top tier. Already I'd say A. Lange has taken the crown as the best watch maker.
@@alexhurt7919 Lange are tremendous, don't get me wrong. But they still can't make their own cases or bracelets - Sinn make them for them. And the Big Date complication on Lange's were actually given to them by JLC due to being in Richemont. Their finishing is top level though but it's not a fully integrated watchmaker yet.
@@alectang1614 good points.
@@alectang1614 I don't think the information about Sinn/SUG for the cases is current. Hallmarks are different now I believe.
@@dimman77 I'm quite sure Sinn's cases are still made by SUG, well Sinn own SUG now. The Lange Odysseus white gold model still has the SUG hallmark. You can see it on the case back.
Wow these images on a 4K display are just mind blowing! Thanks a lot! And the story telling is top class as usual :)
The quality of these videos... - they are simply mesmerizing.
The most impressive part to me is that the quality of the videos have been this great since the beginning! Usually channels grow into this but not this channel. I'm not even a watch collector and I'm sucked into this world of watchmakers and small intricacies of each watch shown because of the great camera work and narration.
@@gc4397 I liked the earlier music
Event more amazing, It always has been.
I can never get enough of your videos!!! Gorgeously shot. And the voice....that voice...❤️❤️
The Credor is sublime. If I owned it, I fear my mind would find enlightenment leaving my body staring at the dial with vacant eyes and spittle drooling down my chin in some mental institution.
And then you turn the watch over...
I know it would be sacrilege but I do not think I would dare wear it.
When I had my rolex watches I noticed that all I really 'looked' at was the name rolex and I think that's the great trick. They've made such a deal of the name that you don't ogle anything else because there's nothing else to ogle. Now I have my GS watches I'm constantly in flux. One minute admiring the dial, then the hands, then the incredible case work, and it goes on and on. Rarely do I look at and admire the name. That, for me, is the mark of a truly great watch. If you can remove the name and it still look brilliant. The ALS and Credor don't need the name there to be amazing.
And that’s why H. Moser is on fire right now. Such good design and execution they aren’t even putting their own name on some of their watch dials
Well said. I have the same thoughts
The price range is in a different ball park.
@@WatchMeEDC did you see the review of the annual calender (H Moser) they did? So understated and just very very cool. A real 'if you know, you know' watch.
@@michaeleccles3336 I did. Moser is really building up some serious momentum with collectors and enthusiasts. The fumé dials are just fantastic, along with the exaggerated sapphire crystals and case shapes, they have really created a unique style in a very short time.
Credor! Its refreshing to see a video on Credor which is an unknown brand to many unless your a hardcore watch collector! I do agree Japan and Germany are giving the swiss a run for their money and with Grand Seiko's introduction of the constant force tourbillon they are on their way to be in the same conversation as Patek!
Its more that the brand is targeted heavily for the Japanese internal market and not marketed in the west.
The designs are almost entirely "arty", avant-garde dress watches and doesn't fit the aesthetics popular outside of Japan. Grand Seiko designs are more conservative/familiar and does much better in the west, so they have focused their marketing on that instead.
There is something special about ALS dials, no matter how simple they are.
You could say that about any high end watch.
@@bighands69 There are quite a few high-end watches whose dial is unrecognizeable due to a shitload of subdials or addedd functions or even watches that don't have a dial at all.
Love the new angles and camera views.
Few watches can hold up to the super macro at high magnification used here. These 2 can. This is extraordinary finishing at a level so high that it is an insane level of attention to detail.
Magnification is not the means to judge a watch. Art is not judged superior by magnification.
@@bighands69 Rolex will fall apart under high magnification
Counterpoint: Swiss marketing and storybuilding are an unstoppable force. They lost technical(Grand Seiko) and craft(AL&S) dominanceover a decade ago.
There are countless examples of Swiss watches surpassing Grand Seiko in technicality and AL&S in craft. Examples are independent watchmakers like Laurent Ferrier but also larger manufacturers like PP, Bréguet and Journe
@@matthieudarbord737 yeah with 10-20 times the price of GS
@@ocb05 I agree...GS shouldn't have been mentioned in that sentence.
@@matthieudarbord737 Ferrier doesn't do any work himself. Just buys in expensive parts. Journe watches are notoriously unreliable, some going back for months-long warranty work within weeks of purchased new. And Breguet is still using dressed up old Lemania and Longines movements in some of their watches.
And seriously what Swiss watch matches the technical aspects of the Grand Seiko 9R02 Spring Drive?
How ? Rolex still makes better movements thanks Gs high beat
What a wonderful way of STORY TELLING is thiisss!!!
Excellent in each and every single episode...
Thank you very much for the big efforts 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
A Lange is my ultimate watch. They are so simple yet beautiful. I'm still saving. I will eventually have to sell some of what I have to afford one, but I will afford one.
I will pick up an ALS for my retirement watch, then I'll be done collecting. The only watch I will spend five figures for.
@@jimlittle5769 I was thinking to myself today. I will sell all the watches I have, buy an A. Lange and a Casio (my gshock is down) and I'll be done. Maybe I will do that one morning after I wake up.
@@MICHAELZHANGCA when I get my ALS, I am sure at least a couple of my watches will be traded in to help with the cost and because, really, once I have that I'll be wanting to wear it a good chunk of time so others will go because they just won't be worn.
@@jimlittle5769 Exactly. I buy watches to wear, not to collect dust. I hope you get yours soon.
@@jimlittle5769 I think a perfect two-watch collection is a dressy ALS and a stainless Rolex for everything else.
that Credor dial looks like my Satinwood kitchen table
Or my morning latte 🤣
@@groges7999 lol
@@groges7999 Hmmm... I'm now imagining a latte art dial in multicolour gold...
Given how wood is an excellent material, I'm not dissapointed in the slightest!
@@jakekaywell5972 well I mean the quality is for sure superb but I did not say they actually used wood but it just looks like one
These are the kind of videos that keep me in the hobby and keeps me dreaming of owning such a piece.
Both the ALS and the Credor shown here are lovely pieces, but I would give the nod to the Credor for showing a bit more personality while still being restrained enough to be a proper dress watch. A tough thing to pull off but the folks at the Shizukuishi Watch Studio did it and did it well in my opinion. The thinner movement of the Credor is also a big plus for me.
A. Lange & Söhne is on an other level compared to the Swiss. Although King and Grand Seiko was the reason of many watch "contests" in the 60s and 70s to be terminated by the Swiss, because of the Japanese winning at them😱🥰
Awesome macro views on great watches! Nothing better than A. Lange & Söhne!
Yes. The war analogy with Swiss on one side, and Germany and Japan on the other always makes one think “what if”.
Modern day Swiss armed services would be no push over.
To me A Lange and Sohne is the best watchmaker ever. I may not own one or even see one in real life ever, but I wish to own one.
Not best ever. Great watches but they have not real history.
@@bighands69 A. Lange's history is in fact almost as old as PPs. It just was interrupted by 43 years of communist dictatorship. The current company is a re-foundation, established in 1990 but its origins go back to 1845.
@@bighands69 He did say "to me".
Sorry to hear that. I wish you all the best.. Tissot for ever.
@@einundsiebenziger5488
The current A. Lange & Söhne is a company that was resurrected in 1990 and is not the company of 1845 years ago.
A. Lange & Söhne makes really nice watches and they most certainly will keep the Swiss on their toes but I would not say best ever.
The credor dial looks like neapolitan ice cream, a very beautiful ice cream.
It is a nice mid level watch.
If this was in fact an ice cream dish, it'd be indeed quite nice. As a watch dial this is pure kitsch.
Love the simplicity of the dial. Perfection
Listening to you talking about watches made me a watch-head. Thanks for the great work!
Credor dial is just from other planet , hell of a art 🔥🔥🔥 but I will go for Lange anyway. Your macro video justifiing have crazy finishing they do on movement 🤯
The Damascus Jupiter dial is something of mythical prophecy. Never has a company done something to this level. Well done.
Jupiter dial.. u should patent those words,
The A. Lange & Söhne Saxonia Thin is a beauty!
I seen a few different A.Lange Sohne watches in person last week they are another level of watch making. That Credor is amazing.
Credor.... I'm speechless. Magnificent.
Two watch Titans! Hand finishing to the extreme! Great video!
You voice is so soothing especially in this category it fits perfectly!
"This makes DaVinci's work look like a bus station Billboard" that cracked me up 🤣
The gold Mokugane dial on the Credor is indeed impressive. I have been wondering many years why that is not a more common option for dials.
Lange Saxonia Thin is an amazing timeless beauty from any direction
How is it possible that I fload (!) Just by looking at the A. Lange dial..... Simple , but OMG what a beauty.
That 'empty' dial of Lange! God, it is so great.
The view at 7:03 is one to behold with the gold chatons, screwed balance, blued screws, (engraved) swan's neck regulator, waves on the top plate. Is there even a Swiss watch with that view?
That CREDOR.... Wow amazing
Guys, I finally put the deposit down for my Lange!
P.S. Watchfinder, you forgot to do a video for the Reverso's 90th Anniversary!
Congrats!
Decision well made
Congratulations! Finally!
fucking incredible !!! which one did you go for and why
Interested to learn about how to order one! Can we just go into an authorised dealer and order one?
I'll never have enough discretionary money to afford either so your video is likely the closest I ever get but I can still vicariously appreciate the beauty of both these pieces thanks to your words and pics. Thank you for that.
Oh my the dark-to-light-light-to-dark transitions at 3:07 were extraordinary! Well done good sir! Another outstanding video.
I am in no position to pass comment on the narrative, however ....what a beautifully filmed and edited video. Very well done. Excellent.
My god, that Credor is beautiful.
A. Lange & Söhne Datograph Perpetual Tourbillon (salmon dial) = mic drop
It's a good day when Watchfinder releases a new video.
A. Lange & Söhne is my grail brand. And to me they're better than any Patek, Vacheron, or Audemars.
4:38 -- (paraphrasing) "the battle can't be won by numbers, but instead another way... the Saxonia's weapon is perfection"... And we hear the narrator say this as we watch the ALS's rough-hewn minutes hand contrasted by the Credor's fully-finished-front-and-back minutes hand. ;-)
I‘ve went to Japan and seeing these Credor Watches in a shop in real was an great experience.
This is the pinnacle of waches.
Omg that Credor... 😍😍😍
One of your best vids. That macro was insane
"This makes da Vinci's work look like a bus station billboard", You should copyright some of your wonderful proverbs!
Well I have seen the Mona Lisa on bus station billboards several times - as museum ads
Fantastic content like always! Bravo!
I really want to get a substantial part of my collection to be Credor. I have the Eichi II and some piece uniques but really want some more...
Undoubtedly AL&S is beautiful
Your videos are good, no need for the cheap clickbait titles, you are better than that!
He argued his case and summarize it well at the end.
You always say "It would mean a lot to me personally" - but will we ever manage to put a face to this voice? :)
So much love for this!
That Credor is simply amazing.
And then comes the several Swiss independent watchmaker like Jean Daniel Nicolas(or Daniel Roth) that surpasses both Credor and Lange.
And yes, it goes both ways with Independent Japanese, German, English and Dutch watchmakers.
This is one of the reasons it's difficult to compare watchmakers at that level. If one thinks Patek is the best manufacturer out there, it's a given that the person is not comparing Patek to Andreas Strehler, Greubel Forsey, or Philippe Dufour.
Ok, credor. Ok. That's a pretty solid flex.
Wow... I have a theory that the CEO of Patek Phillipe behind closed doors pulls open a draw and places a A.Lange & Sohne on their wrist and just stares! Maybe just maybe?
That Credor looked like the texture of Jupiter's surface. Very nice dial detail.
the Credor design is soo frickin interesting
Credor content? I’m sold.
Watchfinder surely do love a Lange.
Mokume Gane, wood grain metal. I love it cant believe they havent made a watch with this type of face before
Any chance of doing a video on a Credor ref. GBAQ961 with the bas taille grand feu enamel dial?
As always, a very interesting video on the artistry of timepieces. Just a bit of FYI regarding the Credor and the dial technique. It's pronounced Mo - ku - meh and it translates to "wood grain", which is the pattern made by the folding over of the metals as in the folds of a Japanese sword. This would have been a more accurate example given the context, rather than Damascus. Gane refers to the gold of the dial. So...
Mokume isn't made by folding. It's a single layered billet of individual sheets that is fired while wrapped in wire for tension to a temperature that the metals start to 'sweat' and diffusion bond. The billet is then removed from heat and struck with a hammer to complete the bond. Then it's cooled and treated like a single block of metal. Forged, rolled, etc... Textured unevenly it is then filed flat to create the pattern.
Wow ! Amazing watches and amazing videos _ I would say the best watches videos on the net.
"An industry build on pride and ability" what a quote.
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Yes. That is an amazing Credor. I think that we could have chosen one with a little less unique of a dial to make a better comparison though.
I have been into watches for prob about 10 years years now, and have known about the major players for prob twice that time. In that time i learned of A. Lange & Söhne and Glashutte. The Swiss have long since lost their "dominance", even before this speck of a human and his love of watches came on to the stage. Having said that i wouldn't kick a Patek Philippe out of bed if you know what I mean!
Gorgeous, prefer the Credor myself that dial is on another level. Beautiful 👍🏻👍🏻
I'm gonna say it, the Credor look clumsily designed. The ALS looks clean, elegant, beautiful. The Credor could be a Branzi.
I disagree. There is such a thing as taking the clean and elegant look too far and I believe ALS did it with this piece. It looks positively sterile. I give the nod to the Credor here if only for showing a bit more personality.
@@jakekaywell5972 I actually think the ALS looks very well done and beautiful, it's so simple, clear and easy to look at, but I understand where you're coming from :D
@@JLchevz Thanks for understanding. Good thing there are opinions and options on the market. Time for me to dig into my piggy bank!
The Credor dial is beautiful but the movement is obviously mostly machine-finished, it doesn't hold up under macro the way the Lange does.
Great video as always!! Fruit for thought... If you take a step back and look at the famous watchmaker's in the past and the present, the founder's of famous ''Swiss'' brands and today's ''independant'' watchmakers... There isn't many Swiss!
(Except for a few like Philippe Dufour, David Candaux, Andreas Strehler or Antoine Preziuso...)
Hans Wilsdorf founded Rolex in London, he was an Englishman of German origin...
Patek was Polish and Philippe was French...
Breguet was part French and founded his company in Paris...
IWC was founded by F.A Jones, who was American...
Jaeger was also French...
Etc...etc...
Basically, today as yesterday, Switzerland is stable place to be!
I'm a huge fan of Seiko so I can't say much here other than they are amazing in every price range! The day they open a flagship store in Geneva, I'll quite whatever I'm doing and work for them with pleasure!
Lange is probably one of the best brands money can buy at the moment however, bare in mind that it is owned by Richemont (just as you guys!) and the only reason why things are going nicely for them is because they are far from Geneva! Know what I mean? 😅
Amazing watches and nice videos. Quick suggestion, could you please make a video with the metiers d’art line from Vacheron Constantin. I think those watches design and production is incredible. Unfortunately, the price is quite high.
I'd be really interested to see Andrew do more videos about Credor!
Vintage Credor watches can be obtained for relatively little money, but I really haven't got a clue on their quality. Anyone have some input on this?
Credit is the very top for me thanks for the great vid.
Remember in the 60s when Seiko beat the swiss at their own game in the chronometer competitions? remember how the swiss shut down these competitions and banned Seiko (any non European brand for that matter) from participating ever again? the swiss have been resting on their laurels for decades. time to wake up
I too enjoy making up history to fit my narrative. It was the 60s and 70s not the 90s. Seiko did manage to win, but as quartz came onto the scene the competitions were ended as a whole, they didn't ban non-swiss companies, there was just no more competition.
@@gabrielwillis9078 I did get the date wrong (fixed now) but I don't think it changes much and I certainly wasn't making stuff up to suit my narrative. The swiss restarted the Chronometer competitions in 2009 and added a rule that stated: “All parts used to build the movement must be made within Europe.” Basically preventing their main competition from participating ever again. sore losers maybe?
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@@gabrielwillis9078 Shut up Gabriel. They brought back the compitition in 2009 with the condition that all watch parts have to be made in Europe. You are dillusional to suck up on the Swiss.
Credor missed the opportunity to make the rear case threads so that the screws lined up in a circular pattern, like the Royal Oak front bolts.
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Love my Grand Seikos and Sinns.
Although the Credors finishing is nothing but perfect. The finishing on the movement still feels industrial next to the ALS. The Lange has got more emotion and tradition in it
Really? I would argue the opposite. The ALS looks positively sterile in comparison to the Credor. Both lovely pieces though.
@@jakekaywell5972 from the front I agree. The dial is more classic and sterile. But the movement decoration is more ‘in your face’ and like traditional pocket watches.
two words. exquisitely breathtaking.
Wonderful video
The Credor dial looks like jupiter
I've always wanted a Credor...not any in particular, just something I think would be a crown in the collection
2 of the most amazing watch companies
Today i discovered Kikuchi Nakagawa. their ichimonji is a beautiful timepiece!
The polishing they do is absolutely incredible!
The credor dial is no joke.Close up almost look like a surface of some planet.
Woo! I would throw my Rolex in Spaghetti bowl for a Grand Seiko SBGC201! Woo!
You will regret it within a few minutes when you start feeling dead inside starring on your unimaginative GS.
Good for you, I don't like GS
Price of the watches ???
That is a very sneaky Seiko.
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