I always prefer these when they attempt to make it look ‘real’, as in not obviously CG, so I loved the idea of augmenting some of the model shots instead of fully replacing them, it worked great for the rocket launch and explosions.
Like how they blew up the Cyberman ship and instead of a CG explosion, they stuck with the original version. Cause they probably were like, “Let’s alter the images of them flying and the missile coming at them, but leave the explosion.” “Sounds like a plan”
What a great answer. I share your thoughts. Whilst CGI in todays world creates the incredible the problem is that very very few things actually look incredible in real life therefore it starts to become unbelievable. Too much of a good thing creating something that is harder to believe. I wish more producers, directors and visual effect technicians would start to realise this. I am not saying that improvements in special effects are bad. Not at all. In fact I think for the most part the updated effects in the Who range have been done just with a perfect balance of improvement but not OTT.
Thank you for uploading this. I've been so eager to see all the updated special effects in this serial since it's re-release in the Season 12 Collection Boxset. I just love the updated shot of the space station pulling up off the surface of Voga.
@@DrWhoFanJ oops sorry, got confused with the Russian River. At the time, I didn't own a bluray player so I didn't really think about buying the boxsets as it would've been illogical at the time. Also, when I got my PS4 (which I use to watch bluray), I was still a bit "ehh" about the bluray collection boxsets because I owned most of the serials on Dvd and the price of a Boxset is a bit. However, I started buying the boxsets from Season 10 onwards because not only does it contain updated visual effects, occasional surround sound and new documentaries, but it helps free up space on my self.
@@DrWhoFanJ oh neat. I would if I could. I live in New Zealand and I get my bluray collections from Australian sites like Sanity or Booktopia and currently neither of them have the boxsets I don't have (Seasons: 12, 18 & 19). I highly doubt that they will appear on these sites anytime soon as they were released in Australia/New Zealand as "limited." For some reason, when the Season 12 Boxset was re-released, to my knowledge, it wasn't re-released in Australia or New Zealand so that was really annoying because of all the boxsets I don't own, I really wanted Season 12. I pray for an Australian / New Zealand re-releases often.
@@DrWhoFanJ the problem with ebay is that people charge huge amounts of money for a Boxset due to the fact that they won't be released ever again. I think I'll just wait. I know that they aren't thinking of re-releasing boxsets but there are still lots of fans who've missed out on a few and ideally, that might convince the team who work on these boxsets to commission a re-release. But again, this is just something I hope for.
Great comparison! Where this story goes wrong in my opinion is that they have a fairly decent atmosphere for Part 1, which still wasn't perfect, then suddenly it all goes out the window with some of the most camp cybermen in history. "It will be a magnificent spectacle, unhappily you will be able to appreciate it!" *Proceeds to walk out with hands-on-hips like a sassy school girl*. I kind of wish they went for a more Wheel in Space style approach. Still, it is nice that you've been able to compare the updated footage with the original footage- I mostly like all the new work particularly with the updated screens etc.
A voice change (and some dialogue changes, while they’re at it) could’ve gone a long way to making this story much less embarrassing. Give them more Invasion style voices and get rid of all their weirdly emotional dialogue (I do not ever want to hear a Cyberman talk about anything being “magnificent” ever again).
I was curious to know how The Mill had handled the Saturn V launch footage being used for the Skystriker; looks as though they settled for adding some fin stabilizers in CGI and blotting out the "United States" clearly painted on the side of the rocket.
This story is one of my favourites. These Cybermen had great weaponry and voices. The voice are part of the evolution of the Cybermen - these voices are the precursor to the best voices for any Cybermen (the Peter Davison and Colin Baker Cybermen had the best dominating voices - there was also echoes of humanity to remind us where the Cybermen came from; the new Doctor Who made the Cybermen too mechanical and lost their cyber aspects). Some of the new effects aren't terribly exciting or imaginative - they're already as dated as the original effects. Hobbyist special effects people have been doing much better for much longer.
I disagree about the voices. For emotionless life forms, they sound far too emotional and aggressive. In addition to just sounding not all that intimidating. These designs for the Cybermen are killer but they have horrible voices and dialogue to accompany them that makes them seem more like angry toddlers than the emotionless cyborg soldiers we all know and love to hate.
I remember as a child getting the Target novelisation of this story in the early 80s. It was the most thrilling, tense and scary thing I had read. It had massive scale and had peril screaming from every page. In an age before mass VHS releases, this soon became my favourite Dr Who story of all time. When I got the VHS release in the mid 90s I was so looking forward to seeing this great, well-paced suspense-filled story in front of my eyes. Disappointed? You bet! But the story always has a place in my heart and I’m pleased to see some of the more dodgy effects have gone (I always found the ‘rolling cylinder’ effect for the surface of Voga being approached at speed to be a little embarrassing). Harry Sullivan is an imbecile! But I love him nonetheless.
I remember as a kid, maybe I was eight, secretly reading Dicks’ _Death to the Daleks_ novelization in bed well beyond my bedtime but ultimately having to put it down ‘cos I was getting actively spooked (‘“Look!” cried Bellal. The Doctor abruptly twisted back around and regarded the bullet-torn floor that they had just passed over. The formerly damaged surface was now healing itself as if being repaired by the hands of invisible ghosts!’) . . . Great times! 🤣
@@shaz2761 I work in special effects, it's easier than you think these days, in fact some of recent remastering efforts on these blu ray box sets are absolutely terrible. Think the BBC are really behind sometimes
I wish ‘Nu Who’ would just tell some decent claustrophobic tales with the right CGI like this; doesn’t have to be a _Star Wars_ spectacle, just strike the balance between realistic and stylish like this does.
Superb new effects! The work on this is really to the highest standards. My only criticism is that the new olive-green computer screen, while looking amazing, is rather friendly and not at all creepy. It doesn't build tension. I would've stuck with a black background, had plenty of red on there, and maybe made it slowly flicker, or have some kind of glitchy scanning effect.
I recently rewatched this story and found it very entertaining... the pacing, soundtrack, models and action are great... I don't know why it's so disliked... sure the voices of the cybermen aren't that good but that hardly makes it a bad story... I can think of a dozen classic stories that bore me to death compared to this...
Not on DVD it hasn’t. I have every Tom Baker episode on DVD including the Ark in Space special edition. I have asked around many stores & they say it’s only on Blu-ray for some reason
And the region 1 DVDs have been going out of print since 2016. 2017 onward, you probably couldn't find it because of that. And for region 2, it's included with Silver Nemesis.
@@jerobriggs6861 I’ve got every episode of Doctor Tom on dvd including the special editions but I can only find these versions on Blu-ray. Maybe I should invest in one. Thanks though
@@DanTheMan2150AD 🤦♂️ That sort of thing really stinks, you’d think by now these companies would get their stuff together and make it slightly easier for fans lol
Kind of like how they omitted a special feature from the Planet of Fire DVD because it contained a song by the Beatles. Same with episode 1 of The Chase. They cut out 2 minutes of footage because it had the Beatles in it. I hated that!
i dont like the cgi, i would like to see updated models made like a ship remodel with paint job or smooth out, and planet making it updated and more real
A change to the voices (and some dialogue changes, while they’re at it) could’ve gone a long way to making this story much less embarrassing. Give them more Invasion style voices and get rid of all their weirdly emotional dialogue (I do not ever want to hear a Cyberman talk about anything being “magnificent” ever again).
Anything would have been better than the spinning globe of Voga in the original. It does have its charm as the best they could do, it was one of weaker effects.
Am I alone in thinking the original effects actually look better? I think the BBC did a pretty good job with the models, but the CGI looks amateurish, generic and dated given that it's only a few years old.
tbh a lot of these seem fairly unessential. Of the original FX only the stock footage of the rocket lift off and one or two of the model shots of the cyberman ship really need attention.
There is no comparison! I've watched Doctor Who for 50 years, and I don't agree with all these attempts to "improve" the originals! My nostalgia for Classic Who is best served by watching it EXACTLY as it was originally broadcast! Call me a purist, but that's the way I like it! That said, one can't help but wonder if, 50 years from now, they'll be "computer enhancing" Jodie Whittaker? ....... There's a LOT of room for improvement with THAT particular "TARDIS crash?" 👎😂
I loved the improved Dalek Invasion of Earth and The Five Doctors - Special Edition. And even though the new Time Warrior effects are clearly cheap CGI, they looked better than the original effects in that story. Had mixed feelings about The Invisisble Enemy and Invasion of Time. Some of the new effects I liked in those stories and others I hated. But do prefer the original effects on all the others.
Yeah, but it's a pain edit comments on my kindle as the edit option is not user friendly on it. So it's easier for me to correct it with another comment.
Replacement? No. It’s not a Star Wars special edition. These effects are entirely optional, with the originals are still being included on the disc. This is all just an added bonus, to allow viewers to experience these stories in a new way (which can help justify purchasing the blu ray if you already own the dvd).
@@EditedAF987 It's good you can still watch the originals. I don't even have an issue with the premise, just the execution. Nothing worse that bad digital effects.
![Doctor Who: The Five Doctors Effects Comparison [Redux]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ke0l1yX9imU/mqdefault.jpg)
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I always prefer these when they attempt to make it look ‘real’, as in not obviously CG, so I loved the idea of augmenting some of the model shots instead of fully replacing them, it worked great for the rocket launch and explosions.
Like how they blew up the Cyberman ship and instead of a CG explosion, they stuck with the original version. Cause they probably were like, “Let’s alter the images of them flying and the missile coming at them, but leave the explosion.” “Sounds like a plan”
What a great answer. I share your thoughts. Whilst CGI in todays world creates the incredible the problem is that very very few things actually look incredible in real life therefore it starts to become unbelievable. Too much of a good thing creating something that is harder to believe. I wish more producers, directors and visual effect technicians would start to realise this. I am not saying that improvements in special effects are bad. Not at all. In fact I think for the most part the updated effects in the Who range have been done just with a perfect balance of improvement but not OTT.
Thank you for uploading this. I've been so eager to see all the updated special effects in this serial since it's re-release in the Season 12 Collection Boxset. I just love the updated shot of the space station pulling up off the surface of Voga.
@@DrWhoFanJ oops sorry, got confused with the Russian River. At the time, I didn't own a bluray player so I didn't really think about buying the boxsets as it would've been illogical at the time. Also, when I got my PS4 (which I use to watch bluray), I was still a bit "ehh" about the bluray collection boxsets because I owned most of the serials on Dvd and the price of a Boxset is a bit. However, I started buying the boxsets from Season 10 onwards because not only does it contain updated visual effects, occasional surround sound and new documentaries, but it helps free up space on my self.
@@DrWhoFanJ oh neat. I would if I could. I live in New Zealand and I get my bluray collections from Australian sites like Sanity or Booktopia and currently neither of them have the boxsets I don't have (Seasons: 12, 18 & 19). I highly doubt that they will appear on these sites anytime soon as they were released in Australia/New Zealand as "limited."
For some reason, when the Season 12 Boxset was re-released, to my knowledge, it wasn't re-released in Australia or New Zealand so that was really annoying because of all the boxsets I don't own, I really wanted Season 12. I pray for an Australian / New Zealand re-releases often.
@@DrWhoFanJ the problem with ebay is that people charge huge amounts of money for a Boxset due to the fact that they won't be released ever again. I think I'll just wait. I know that they aren't thinking of re-releasing boxsets but there are still lots of fans who've missed out on a few and ideally, that might convince the team who work on these boxsets to commission a re-release. But again, this is just something I hope for.
@@DrWhoFanJ But they have been re-released.........
@@DrWhoFanJ Season 14 as well, so yes they have been
That final shot is fantastic
6:42 the old Bond villain mistake
I love these comparison videos, look forward to seeing the comparisons for the next John Pertwee set 👍
For years and years this was the only episode of Dr Who that you could buy on VHS video, I must have watched my copy about 100 times!
I think it was out for a total of two years before they started releasing others on VHS. Not that long, but for a Whovian, it seems like an eternity.
The new Skystriker scene is brilliant
Great comparison! Where this story goes wrong in my opinion is that they have a fairly decent atmosphere for Part 1, which still wasn't perfect, then suddenly it all goes out the window with some of the most camp cybermen in history. "It will be a magnificent spectacle, unhappily you will be able to appreciate it!" *Proceeds to walk out with hands-on-hips like a sassy school girl*. I kind of wish they went for a more Wheel in Space style approach. Still, it is nice that you've been able to compare the updated footage with the original footage- I mostly like all the new work particularly with the updated screens etc.
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FNAF!
Good idea tho.
Cyberman FNAF game
Wish they'd added lasers to the cybermen's head guns and maybe even alter the cybermen's voices to sound more mechanical
The cyber men’s weapons weren’t lasers but more projectiles
A voice change (and some dialogue changes, while they’re at it) could’ve gone a long way to making this story much less embarrassing. Give them more Invasion style voices and get rid of all their weirdly emotional dialogue (I do not ever want to hear a Cyberman talk about anything being “magnificent” ever again).
@@Gojirawars03 Yes that or Tomb and moon-base like cybermen voices my personal favorite 60 cyberman vocie.
I was curious to know how The Mill had handled the Saturn V launch footage being used for the Skystriker; looks as though they settled for adding some fin stabilizers in CGI and blotting out the "United States" clearly painted on the side of the rocket.
This story is one of my favourites. These Cybermen had great weaponry and voices. The voice are part of the evolution of the Cybermen - these voices are the precursor to the best voices for any Cybermen (the Peter Davison and Colin Baker Cybermen had the best dominating voices - there was also echoes of humanity to remind us where the Cybermen came from; the new Doctor Who made the Cybermen too mechanical and lost their cyber aspects). Some of the new effects aren't terribly exciting or imaginative - they're already as dated as the original effects. Hobbyist special effects people have been doing much better for much longer.
I disagree about the voices. For emotionless life forms, they sound far too emotional and aggressive. In addition to just sounding not all that intimidating. These designs for the Cybermen are killer but they have horrible voices and dialogue to accompany them that makes them seem more like angry toddlers than the emotionless cyborg soldiers we all know and love to hate.
hard to make CGI look normal for something that was filmed in the 70s/80s sometimes
they did a good job though
I remember as a child getting the Target novelisation of this story in the early 80s. It was the most thrilling, tense and scary thing I had read. It had massive scale and had peril screaming from every page. In an age before mass VHS releases, this soon became my favourite Dr Who story of all time. When I got the VHS release in the mid 90s I was so looking forward to seeing this great, well-paced suspense-filled story in front of my eyes. Disappointed? You bet! But the story always has a place in my heart and I’m pleased to see some of the more dodgy effects have gone (I always found the ‘rolling cylinder’ effect for the surface of Voga being approached at speed to be a little embarrassing).
Harry Sullivan is an imbecile! But I love him nonetheless.
I remember as a kid, maybe I was eight, secretly reading Dicks’ _Death to the Daleks_ novelization in bed well beyond my bedtime but ultimately having to put it down ‘cos I was getting actively spooked (‘“Look!” cried Bellal. The Doctor abruptly twisted back around and regarded the bullet-torn floor that they had just passed over. The formerly damaged surface was now healing itself as if being repaired by the hands of invisible ghosts!’) . . . Great times! 🤣
@@edwardcatt2399 That was the very first Target novel I owned. The artwork on the front of the book was worth the price alone!
Will someone please do this with Blakes 7
No market for Blake's 7.
@@timothylyons5686 there will be if they update it. It had 15 mill viewers in the uk and was super popular 20 years later when repeated on uk gold.
@@shaz2761 tbf I only saw it for the first time last year and loved it. Would love some basic remastering.
@@TemptingNoise yeah, even just basic ships and lasers. Cant cost that much can it?
@@shaz2761 I work in special effects, it's easier than you think these days, in fact some of recent remastering efforts on these blu ray box sets are absolutely terrible. Think the BBC are really behind sometimes
I wish ‘Nu Who’ would just tell some decent claustrophobic tales with the right CGI like this; doesn’t have to be a _Star Wars_ spectacle, just strike the balance between realistic and stylish like this does.
I was lucky enough to get Revenge of The Cybermen on Blu ray and it drastically improves what I thought was the weakest classic cybermen story.
I don’t know I kind of liked the old rocket!
Love
Tom
1975 affects, stand up rather well to 2018, nice work though.
Superb new effects! The work on this is really to the highest standards. My only criticism is that the new olive-green computer screen, while looking amazing, is rather friendly and not at all creepy. It doesn't build tension. I would've stuck with a black background, had plenty of red on there, and maybe made it slowly flicker, or have some kind of glitchy scanning effect.
Aren't they great? Really enhance the story telling.
8:29 was the best cgi fix
I recently rewatched this story and found it very entertaining... the pacing, soundtrack, models and action are great... I don't know why it's so disliked... sure the voices of the cybermen aren't that good but that hardly makes it a bad story... I can think of a dozen classic stories that bore me to death compared to this...
When is this story coming to DVD as they are only available on Blu-ray at the moment & I’ve been waiting for this to happen since 2018
any ideas?
It’s been readily available on DVD since 2008
Not on DVD it hasn’t. I have every Tom Baker episode on DVD including the Ark in Space special edition. I have asked around many stores & they say it’s only on Blu-ray for some reason
It has, it just comes bundled in a set with Silver Nemesis
And the region 1 DVDs have been going out of print since 2016. 2017 onward, you probably couldn't find it because of that. And for region 2, it's included with Silver Nemesis.
@@jerobriggs6861 I’ve got every episode of Doctor Tom on dvd including the special editions but I can only find these versions on Blu-ray. Maybe I should invest in one. Thanks though
That radar effect 100% didn’t need to be changed. Seriously, who was asking for that? All they did was make it more confusing and harder to see.
Agreed. Nothing wrong with the original FX there
Wonder why they didn't redo the voices.
Are the US DW collection sets different from the UK release in terms of bonus content?
There are some bonus features which haven’t been released on the US sets due to rights issues.
@@DanTheMan2150AD 🤦♂️ That sort of thing really stinks, you’d think by now these companies would get their stuff together and make it slightly easier for fans lol
Kind of like how they omitted a special feature from the Planet of Fire DVD because it contained a song by the Beatles. Same with episode 1 of The Chase. They cut out 2 minutes of footage because it had the Beatles in it. I hated that!
How i see the full episode
Blu-ray
@@DanTheMan2150AD thx
i dont like the cgi, i would like to see updated models made like a ship remodel
with paint job or smooth out, and planet making it updated and more real
That would probably be much more expensive, and way more than what a story like Revenge of the Cybermen deserves.
@@EditedAF987 it would but it look a bit nice in my opinion
Some of the older footage is still better
A change to the voices (and some dialogue changes, while they’re at it) could’ve gone a long way to making this story much less embarrassing. Give them more Invasion style voices and get rid of all their weirdly emotional dialogue (I do not ever want to hear a Cyberman talk about anything being “magnificent” ever again).
I wih the original script for this been made for tramsission
Shame they overlooked one shot of the rocket in episode 2... 🤦♂
They surely could have added some improvements to the cybermen weaponry. What’s so scary about a lame little squib sparking out of their heads?
Anything would have been better than the spinning globe of Voga in the original. It does have its charm as the best they could do, it was one of weaker effects.
Am I alone in thinking the original effects actually look better? I think the BBC did a pretty good job with the models, but the CGI looks amateurish, generic and dated given that it's only a few years old.
Did the effects people alter the cybermats at all? They were the worst.
No not really I think some of the CSO was cleaned up that was it.
tbh a lot of these seem fairly unessential. Of the original FX only the stock footage of the rocket lift off and one or two of the model shots of the cyberman ship really need attention.
They didn't change the cybermen voices? They sounded werid to me
No, voices are not a visual element.
@DrWhoFanJ didn't they change the daleks voices in one of the 3rd doctors remasters though?
@ That was a Special Edition, not just a replacement effects option. They changed a lot more than just the voices.
1975 is beter
the rocket scene in 2018 looks even more like a Model than the cheap toy on the original.
There is no comparison! I've watched Doctor Who for 50 years, and I don't agree with all these attempts to "improve" the originals! My nostalgia for Classic Who is best served by watching it EXACTLY as it was originally broadcast! Call me a purist, but that's the way I like it!
That said, one can't help but wonder if, 50 years from now, they'll be "computer enhancing" Jodie Whittaker? ....... There's a LOT of room for improvement with THAT particular "TARDIS crash?" 👎😂
I loved the improved Dalek Invasion of Earth and The Five Doctors - Special Edition. And even though the new Time Warrior effects are clearly cheap CGI, they looked better than the original effects in that story. Had mixed feelings about The Invisisble Enemy and Invasion of Time. Some of the new effects I liked in those stories and others I hated. But do prefer the original effects on all the others.
Spelling mistake: I ment Invisible not Invisisble.
@@jerobriggs6861 you know, you can edit comments
Yeah, but it's a pain edit comments on my kindle as the edit option is not user friendly on it. So it's easier for me to correct it with another comment.
@@jerobriggs6861 ah, I see, on android it's really simple
Man those 2018 edits are really naff? Why replace timeless effects with CGI vomit?
Replacement? No. It’s not a Star Wars special edition. These effects are entirely optional, with the originals are still being included on the disc.
This is all just an added bonus, to allow viewers to experience these stories in a new way (which can help justify purchasing the blu ray if you already own the dvd).
@@EditedAF987 It's good you can still watch the originals. I don't even have an issue with the premise, just the execution. Nothing worse that bad digital effects.