My word what an effects heavy story. I must say the laser effects are much improved, but I preferred some of the original model shots, particularly the ones using fluidic clouds. The wall fix and final explosion were huge improvements though.
0:35 This is probably the best fix of the model shots. The others, not so much. The fluid clouds look so much better than the CG effect. Really, the laser effects are the best replacements.
Like others have already said the lasers are an improvement. But most of the model shots in the original were really well done. The CGI equivalents LOOK like they’re CGI. Which means they’ve failed. I’ve always felt that models enhanced by CGI are far better than all-out CGI.
It's not that simple, no. Plenty of model shots look like models but tell a story well. Plenty of CG shots can be identified as CG but do their job well. When it comes down to differing CG approaches of re-FX-ing, say, _Star Trek_ vs. _Doctor Who,_ it comes down to classic charm vs. wider appeal that may help keep the old show available.
They fixed the re-take issue with K9 blasting the wall very nicely. Nice color hue change when the miniature Doctor and Leela enter the body to make the effect more seamless! Some of the original fx shots still hold up extremely well, but the non-space scenes are fantastic!
This is a great comparison video. For the most part, the new effects look much better. I'm all for having access to both original and new effects. If that's preserved, then I'm keen for some "anything goes" type edits.
I wish _Destiny ~ Revelation_ Dalek extermination effects yielded a similar blue effect when striking the victim as seen in the red gun beam effects here. It's subtle in this instance but way better than the 'negative circular patch' they used in later Dalek serials.
The model work is far superior to the cgi. But the laser effects etc are far better than the original. Don't know why they decided to the replace the models?
I'll never understand the idea of replacing low budget practical effects with low budget digital effects. The CGI effects for the Mara in Kinda were probably the best digital replacements.
These effects are a bit all over the place in quality, the new laser and model effects are brilliant but then the CGI shots are very underwhelming in areas.
well there is perfectly valid reasoning, it allows the story to be seen as originally intended without the limitations while paying homage to how the original episode looked because if it looked too high budget then it would be out of place and perhaps over the top. The special editions and optional cgi aren't just cgi but they got drone shots of the telescope in logopolis's update because the original crew couldn't film there like they wanted too and made the master move. A lot of the cgi additions fit right in and this one is probably the worst but then you have day of the daleks which is the best as a special edition with a ton of newly recorded scenes that add to the battle
The gun effects are brilliant... this is how they would have looked in 1977 if they'd have had the tech. Not sure that all the effects are an improvement though. And 1977 was definitely a much, much, much better year!
This really reminds me of Blakes 7.Not a bad thing Love Blakes 7 first 2 series especially 👍🏻BTW who is the Doctor's companion Wow! It's no wonder my Dad always used to insist we watch Doctor Who back in the Day Lol!
Yes the laser shots are nice, and I don't mind the new space shots. No amount of enhancement was ever going to fix the cheesy "Fantastic Voyage" bit through the Doctor's brain. Still, always loved this story.
Geez, my only complaint about the lasers isn't even the effects. It's how bloody ineffective they apparently are! Star Trek Voyager/Enterprise phasers still do better than these ones apparently. K9 seems to have the only one that's actually capable of doing anything worthwhile.
@@therestorationofdrwho1865 very much so. Apparently, Mawdryn Undead was one of the biggest pains when doing the new CGI for the story. Mostly down to Aaron J Climas trying to rotoscope around the Black Guardians bird hat. Earthshock was an example where they didn’t have the clean studio tapes for certain scenes so Mike Tucker had to paint out the original effects using before frames and after frames or just straight up layering the new effect over the old one.
The effects in the new version look like they've been done years apart, as some look poor, like the exhaust from the ship landing and blowing up, yet the laser beams look excellent, as in the scene where Leela nearly shoots the Doctor.
Because a lot of the original space ship shots are better in the original, I can see that this is not, or rather, should not, be the last attempt to redo the affects on this episode.
I prefer nearly all the original stuff, prolly with the exception of the laser effects. The models look better than the cgi and in some instances things seem to have had the colour changed for no particular reason for example the swirly space at 4.50 from blue to silvery gold). Also, the original shots are a lot clearer, (example, 2.09) I wonder why that would be? I'm all in favour of restorative work and resolution improvements. Comparing for example the scene at 5.20 - the old has better colour, more detail and is clearer. Again at 1.20, the old set seems more detailed and with better clarity. I know someones put an awful lot of effort into this, but I'll stick with the old ones - sorry.
The change to gold is to match the lighting once they're in the doctors head, which is more consistent in the new version compared to the original where its very clearly composited.
In my honest opinion, though the effects are an improvement (K-9 blaster) , we shouldn't go back and improve things for two reasons. 1) the world has too much CGI in the films and programs and doesn't make it a complete success. 2) It made Dr Who what it was at the time and I prefer the use of models.
I'm never sure about the move to go back and 'improve' the original with new sfx and audio etc. I hate it in relation to the first Star Wars trilogy. I guess all fine as long as the as broadcast untreated version is always included
@0:59 and 1:08 the old effects from the 1970’s look better to me in these scenes especially! And when the Swarm tries to infect them, the new “effect” is just blanking the face out with light til the actor can’t be seen, what a horrible choice! And some of the other new FX are just poorly done, like the asteroid Hospital, which looked naff even when I was a little kid, looks just the same in the new FX…why even bother as I see zero difference, they truly are nearly identical! Design something that looks halfway realistic, like it has room for actual hundreds of people inside a hollowed out asteroid instead of a perfectly lined up, “room inside for 8 action figures!” As it does in both of these. K9 blasting the wall chunk off and shooting people in one body part to have them grab another in pain always bugged me; these are infinitely better in the new FX! Quite a mixed bag of “no difference”, “much improved” and the “new rx looks worse”, “stick with the old”! LOL!
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My word what an effects heavy story. I must say the laser effects are much improved, but I preferred some of the original model shots, particularly the ones using fluidic clouds. The wall fix and final explosion were huge improvements though.
The changes to K9 shooting a chunk out of the wall are perfect.
0:35 This is probably the best fix of the model shots. The others, not so much. The fluid clouds look so much better than the CG effect. Really, the laser effects are the best replacements.
Like others have already said the lasers are an improvement. But most of the model shots in the original were really well done. The CGI equivalents LOOK like they’re CGI. Which means they’ve failed. I’ve always felt that models enhanced by CGI are far better than all-out CGI.
It's not that simple, no. Plenty of model shots look like models but tell a story well. Plenty of CG shots can be identified as CG but do their job well. When it comes down to differing CG approaches of re-FX-ing, say, _Star Trek_ vs. _Doctor Who,_ it comes down to classic charm vs. wider appeal that may help keep the old show available.
They fixed the re-take issue with K9 blasting the wall very nicely. Nice color hue change when the miniature Doctor and Leela enter the body to make the effect more seamless! Some of the original fx shots still hold up extremely well, but the non-space scenes are fantastic!
Those water colour paints are so surrealist and beautiful!
Fans of Blake 7 will recognize Mat Ivins's Atlay shuttle model used in this episode of Dr Who.
As a lifetime B7 fan, the original effects eally does feel like it could've come straight from Doctor Who's sister show.
This is a great comparison video. For the most part, the new effects look much better. I'm all for having access to both original and new effects. If that's preserved, then I'm keen for some "anything goes" type edits.
Best part of the cgi is the wall fix
I'm here just to see K9. I LOVE THAT DOG!
I would say 50/50. I like some of the updated visual effects & some of the original are ok.
at 4:37 what a horrid way to die - lasered in the crotch by a metallic robotic dog!
I wish _Destiny ~ Revelation_ Dalek extermination effects yielded a similar blue effect when striking the victim as seen in the red gun beam effects here. It's subtle in this instance but way better than the 'negative circular patch' they used in later Dalek serials.
The model work is far superior to the cgi. But the laser effects etc are far better than the original. Don't know why they decided to the replace the models?
They reshot some of the model work for some shots, but then just CGI’d others... it’s like the budget ran out.
@@DanTheMan2150AD they should have left the original model work well alone. Such a shame
Raygun effects much better but not obvious the model shots are big improvements. Nothing can be done about the giant prawn either, unfortunately...
Sometimes I feel like they just add in extra new effects that aren't needed just for the sake of it now.
6:22 Holy crap, they upgraded K-9
I'll never understand the idea of replacing low budget practical effects with low budget digital effects. The CGI effects for the Mara in Kinda were probably the best digital replacements.
These effects are a bit all over the place in quality, the new laser and model effects are brilliant but then the CGI shots are very underwhelming in areas.
well there is perfectly valid reasoning, it allows the story to be seen as originally intended without the limitations while paying homage to how the original episode looked because if it looked too high budget then it would be out of place and perhaps over the top. The special editions and optional cgi aren't just cgi but they got drone shots of the telescope in logopolis's update because the original crew couldn't film there like they wanted too and made the master move. A lot of the cgi additions fit right in and this one is probably the worst but then you have day of the daleks which is the best as a special edition with a ton of newly recorded scenes that add to the battle
@@RassilonProductions just an excuse for a lower budget i guess
@@RassilonProductions but theres still very obvious limitations
The gun effects are brilliant... this is how they would have looked in 1977 if they'd have had the tech. Not sure that all the effects are an improvement though. And 1977 was definitely a much, much, much better year!
I think the original model shots were better. They could have just taken those and made the ship stop shaking on the wires and it would be perfect.
I think the big problem with any of these effects replacements is that the original looked good for 1977, but the new effects look bad for 2008.
This really reminds me of Blakes 7.Not a bad thing Love Blakes 7 first 2 series especially 👍🏻BTW who is the Doctor's companion Wow! It's no wonder my Dad always used to insist we watch Doctor Who back in the Day Lol!
Yes the laser shots are nice, and I don't mind the new space shots. No amount of enhancement was ever going to fix the cheesy "Fantastic Voyage" bit through the Doctor's brain. Still, always loved this story.
Geez, my only complaint about the lasers isn't even the effects. It's how bloody ineffective they apparently are! Star Trek Voyager/Enterprise phasers still do better than these ones apparently. K9 seems to have the only one that's actually capable of doing anything worthwhile.
When they work on these do they have the unedited footage to work with that has no effects or do they have to remove them?
It all depends on which story, this one was mostly done with just the final edit.
@@DanTheMan2150AD That’s pretty crazy. A lot of work to remove all the old effects, let alone making new ones.
@@therestorationofdrwho1865 very much so. Apparently, Mawdryn Undead was one of the biggest pains when doing the new CGI for the story. Mostly down to Aaron J Climas trying to rotoscope around the Black Guardians bird hat. Earthshock was an example where they didn’t have the clean studio tapes for certain scenes so Mike Tucker had to paint out the original effects using before frames and after frames or just straight up layering the new effect over the old one.
BTW, are you able to unblock your Sontaran video?
Gotta wait 2 days.
@@DanTheMan2150AD What got it blocked?
@@TheKandyman yes
@@DanTheMan2150AD Makes sense
Its a shame something couldn't have been done with the full sized prawn. It looks terrible and quite fake
The effects in the new version look like they've been done years apart, as some look poor, like the exhaust from the ship landing and blowing up, yet the laser beams look excellent, as in the scene where Leela nearly shoots the Doctor.
The doctor : mom?
Leela: you remember me and that means quality time
Myself: finally
Tom Baker: You know your own history since you are going to be me in heaven the doctor in the future 😊
I suppose the problem differentiating here is that 2008 was over 12 years ago.
The lasers and contact streams are improved but I hate seeing all the spacecraft models replaced.
Why cant they do this to Blakes 7
They have now!
Got to check this out. I loved this story but ya the effects were pretty bad. Makeup was creepy!
Because a lot of the original space ship shots are better in the original, I can see that this is not, or rather, should not, be the last attempt to redo the affects on this episode.
None of the 2008 effects are on the dvd though not mine at least all mine are the original 1977 ones
Probably because you haven’t enabled them in the menu.
@@DanTheMan2150AD makes no doffrence to me I prefer that war just wondered thanks
@@yacinekadri9110They’re never the default version. The new effects are always optional and must be selected from the menu to be seen.
Oh hey k9’s here too
Dang I didn't know Doctor Who used MS Paint for CGI back then
I like the original space stuff better, as well as the planet surface. But some of the new laser effects are nice.
Some nice reworks , but takes away the nostalgic cheesiness of the era ,
I prefer nearly all the original stuff, prolly with the exception of the laser effects. The models look better than the cgi and in some instances things seem to have had the colour changed for no particular reason for example the swirly space at 4.50 from blue to silvery gold). Also, the original shots are a lot clearer, (example, 2.09) I wonder why that would be? I'm all in favour of restorative work and resolution improvements. Comparing for example the scene at 5.20 - the old has better colour, more detail and is clearer. Again at 1.20, the old set seems more detailed and with better clarity. I know someones put an awful lot of effort into this, but I'll stick with the old ones - sorry.
The change to gold is to match the lighting once they're in the doctors head, which is more consistent in the new version compared to the original where its very clearly composited.
I love the 1977 effects. Not so much the 2008.
well they are optional, so you don't have to watch them if you don't like it.
In my honest opinion, though the effects are an improvement (K-9 blaster) , we shouldn't go back and improve things for two reasons. 1) the world has too much CGI in the films and programs and doesn't make it a complete success. 2) It made Dr Who what it was at the time and I prefer the use of models.
I'm never sure about the move to go back and 'improve' the original with new sfx and audio etc. I hate it in relation to the first Star Wars trilogy. I guess all fine as long as the as broadcast untreated version is always included
I'm not trying to be "that guy" but 1977 looks better
I think I'll stick with the original crappy effects, rather than the new crappy effects!
Good, sadly nothing can solve the main fx problem here....the appalling nucleus
Well...i dont know, most of the old effects are better here.
I kinda hate all the changes. They either look bad in different ways or just look out of place.
I'll never understand why the modern effects attempt to keep that weird dated look, and somehow end up looking more dated than the original.
@0:59 and 1:08 the old effects from the 1970’s look better to me in these scenes especially! And when the Swarm tries to infect them, the new “effect” is just blanking the face out with light til the actor can’t be seen, what a horrible choice! And some of the other new FX are just poorly done, like the asteroid Hospital, which looked naff even when I was a little kid, looks just the same in the new FX…why even bother as I see zero difference, they truly are nearly identical! Design something that looks halfway realistic, like it has room for actual hundreds of people inside a hollowed out asteroid instead of a perfectly lined up, “room inside for 8 action figures!” As it does in both of these. K9 blasting the wall chunk off and shooting people in one body part to have them grab another in pain always bugged me; these are infinitely better in the new FX! Quite a mixed bag of “no difference”, “much improved” and the “new rx looks worse”, “stick with the old”! LOL!
1977 is better
a remarkable improvement, but still the worst ep ever.
Have you forgotten The Horns Of Nimon? 😉
This ep is great with the model work and going inside his own head really imaginative stuff
This is four episodes, not one.
So some stories from the Classic Who era got the TOS: Remastered treatment, eh?
Yes
I haven't the foggiest idea