I really like the new effects inside the Timelash, when the Doctor is trying to retrieve the crystals. The new version gives the impression that he’s struggling against forces which could drag him down, whilst the original… just looks like him abseiling down a glittery wall…
Funny I was going to comment that I think they overdid it a little. It's a neat set I think it would have been cool to not have it be quite so overwhelmed by the vfx. I think it definitely looks better with some effect overlaid though, as much as I enjoy Collin's acting I agree that it helps sell the idea that there's a force to struggle against. Everything else looks pretty great though.
Fun fact: In 2001 Jonathan Morris and Lance Parkin pitched a novel called _Destination: Bandril_ to BBC Books' Past Doctor Adventures range that would've been the off-screen Third Doctor adventure to which _Timelash_ is a sequel. _Destination: Bandril_ would have been an *extremely* meta story - the idea was that it would deliberately strongly echo elements from _Timelash,_ as if _Timelash_ was actually a highly derivative sequel that recycled ideas and plot points from its predecessor (what _Attack of the Cybermen_ was to the 1960s Cybermen stories.) _Destination: Bandril_ would've been divided into six "episodes" with one "episode" being based on the board game in the 1973 Doctor Who Annual. Many familiar tropes from the Third Doctor era would have been incorporated into the plot. A minor unseen character in _Timelash_ (Maylin Renis' wife Tola) would've had a major role in _Destination: Bandril,_ the meta-joke being that she doesn't appear in _Timelash_ because she was played by Penelope Keith who declined the offer to return for the sequel. The pitch was rejected by range editor Justin Richards, Morris suspects that it was because Richards thought it was an elaborate practical joke rather than a genuine pitch.
Same here. It’s a solid story let down by being purely studio based and it’s clear the budget was tight. I even liked the general look of the sets and costumes (yes, even the android) but I admit that the overall package didn’t quite work, but no worse than many other classic series stories. Yeah, it’s no “classic” but it’s a fun little adventure imho.
Hmm i was intrigued how they would update the inside of the timelash, just cover up the set with a blur effect. Still looks much better. I like how the new effect for the entrance to the timelash looks like a bright version of the circular time tunnel effect from pertwee’s second intro
Definitely largely in keeping with what would’ve been possible at the time, some reminiscent of Pyramids of Mars, which was great! Nice spill. I do feel like when The Doctor’s inside the giants causeway set it’s just a little overkill, but only coz you lose all the details of the set. More fluctuations in its density may’ve helped this, its only in the side by side I saw all the work they’d done on the set. Trying to make it work, otherwise great. If you’d played me the new ones without a side by side I may not have even thought it. As I’d have struggled to remember the originals either way. Great job, elevates it just enough.
I mean, it's bad, there's no denying that, but not as bad as the reputation. The guy playing the Borad is great, Paul Darrow is an absolute cheese-fest on par with Prof. "NOTHING IN ZE WORLD CAN STOP ME NOW!" Zaroff (and I love it!), and it's a decent idea story-wise here. I think the problem is that it was monumentally over-padded with useless nonsense. If it was 1x45min episode, I think it would have been much better, alas however...
Of all the serials in season 22 to get this treatment, Timelash is the last I'd choose, given it's widely disliked, but looking at this, the effects do look good, so whoever did this work did an amazing job. Just a shame the serial is still Timelash, tbh.
There appears to be a lot of unrefined chroma-keying on the Doctor's jacket in the Timelash. Part of me hopes that it's just a design choice that only LOOKS like a failed chroma-key but honestly that might be an even worse reality. Everything else looks pretty good though, just that Timelash sequence... Oof.
Mixed bag. The decision to blur all the shots inside the Timelash and add weird fuzzy lights is questionable, I actually think staring at tinsel was preferable. But for the most part the timelash looks better on the outside and the establishing shots of the planet are very good.
I have to disagree. I find inside the Timelash really really cool in the new version. I like how they've taken different elements of different title sequences to create it. I also find it kind of meta that looking into the timelash is like the second Pertwee title sequence and this story is supposed to be a sequel to an unseen Pertwee story. I also like how whether or not there is oxygen in a place is hardly ever an issue in Doctor Who. 😁 I mean, if the Timelash were really a thing, do you think you could breathe inside there?
@@DemetriusSorvo I agreee with Kenneth. Anything is better than Stryofoam and tinsel. It is how I would imagine a space/time void different to our own to be visually something like that. For me the original interior Timelash was one of the most embarrassing special effects in Who's history so I am very glad for the updated version. As for lasers beams etc...doesn't really have any impact on me whatsoever. Yet is they are easily done why not?
Personaly I wish they didn't replace the mini modles of the planet's surface from the original footage but i don't mind the CG lasers and CG vortex being added it's an improvement to the orginal silver tinsel tunnel
A lot of these are hit or miss for me. A lot of them look pretty good but I really hate the effect for inside the timelash. The original isn't great but the new one just looks so weird and cheap. Looks like just a bunch of stacked blur effects.
As a labour of love by a fan this is v impressive, wish I had half the skills of the effect artist. However, I'm not convinced this is up to a commercial standard. The lighting effect around the edges of the entrance to the timelash is v jarring. It would be less distracting to watch the original version. The rotoscoping could use some more work as well. The space scenes are nice though!
The Timelash effect doesn't work for me as they've made it a tunnel where all the physical reaction regards it as a pit to fall into. I've only just noticed that the blu-ray doesn't include an isolated score for Timelash - I was sure it would do. I'm a bit narked about that. It's not the greatest score and certainly doesn't compliment the visuals but it would have been nice to have.
Yes. Been a long time since I've seen it but if I remember correctly, the idea was that the Doctor had already been there before (as Jon) even though that never happened on screen.
As someone who's seen the original I'm impressed with the new effects, though there's a few where you can barely tell the difference. The ones in the Timelash (crystal search bit) look like they could've been done differently
Bandrill was the worst for me, I'm sure they would've replaced him with a new version, but I guess not. Hated him more than anything. Yet I liked all the original space shots, but they changed them.
Agreed. How could anyone still prefer tinsel and styrofoam? I thoyught they did a good job in the inside of the Timelash as it was so woeful before not to mention embarrassing.
Massive improvement for most effects, but dreadful chroma key (mostly on the coat) inside the timelash.. Unfortunately, that whole bit was just a bit too flashy for the eyes. Overall though, I'd rather watch the episode with the new effects.
Massive improvement but from what I can tell the main thing they did was blur stuff out. The less clearly you saw the story, the better. I didn't see any bandril pictures, so I'm guessing that they kept the sock puppet.
LET'S DO THE TIMELASH AGAIN!!!! You can never polish turd, but you can enjoy a stinker in an other wise enjoyable season, bar the dodgy Sontarans in The Two Doctors.
I just watched Timelash for the first time, and I just have to wonder why people talk about it as though it were the nadir of the Colin Baker era. Sure, it's no classic, but is it really any worse than Attack of the Cybermen or Mark of the Rani?
As usual, some of the new effects are pointless and worse than the originals! Thanks for the comparison video. Saves me having to watch the rubbish now!
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I really like the new effects inside the Timelash, when the Doctor is trying to retrieve the crystals. The new version gives the impression that he’s struggling against forces which could drag him down, whilst the original… just looks like him abseiling down a glittery wall…
Funny I was going to comment that I think they overdid it a little. It's a neat set I think it would have been cool to not have it be quite so overwhelmed by the vfx. I think it definitely looks better with some effect overlaid though, as much as I enjoy Collin's acting I agree that it helps sell the idea that there's a force to struggle against. Everything else looks pretty great though.
Fun fact: In 2001 Jonathan Morris and Lance Parkin pitched a novel called _Destination: Bandril_ to BBC Books' Past Doctor Adventures range that would've been the off-screen Third Doctor adventure to which _Timelash_ is a sequel. _Destination: Bandril_ would have been an *extremely* meta story - the idea was that it would deliberately strongly echo elements from _Timelash,_ as if _Timelash_ was actually a highly derivative sequel that recycled ideas and plot points from its predecessor (what _Attack of the Cybermen_ was to the 1960s Cybermen stories.)
_Destination: Bandril_ would've been divided into six "episodes" with one "episode" being based on the board game in the 1973 Doctor Who Annual. Many familiar tropes from the Third Doctor era would have been incorporated into the plot. A minor unseen character in _Timelash_ (Maylin Renis' wife Tola) would've had a major role in _Destination: Bandril,_ the meta-joke being that she doesn't appear in _Timelash_ because she was played by Penelope Keith who declined the offer to return for the sequel.
The pitch was rejected by range editor Justin Richards, Morris suspects that it was because Richards thought it was an elaborate practical joke rather than a genuine pitch.
I never understood the negative opinions associated with this story -- it's perfectly fine and a lot of fun.
Same here. It’s a solid story let down by being purely studio based and it’s clear the budget was tight. I even liked the general look of the sets and costumes (yes, even the android) but I admit that the overall package didn’t quite work, but no worse than many other classic series stories. Yeah, it’s no “classic” but it’s a fun little adventure imho.
Hmm i was intrigued how they would update the inside of the timelash, just cover up the set with a blur effect. Still looks much better. I like how the new effect for the entrance to the timelash looks like a bright version of the circular time tunnel effect from pertwee’s second intro
And Tom's first intro of course.
@@AnotherScifiGuy true, but i get more season 11 inrto vibes from the effect. Haha nerdy nitpicking 😂
Heaven forbid they tie the other end of the rope to something secure while they dangle the Doctor in the Timelash 😂
Only a wet behind the ears Time Lord academy graduate would think the Time Lash had tinsel inside it. It’s obviously Vortex Moss.
All these improvements are great. Funny acting throughout espesh Darrows freeze on every sentence, love that.
I think that's a much better realisation of the Timelash.
Does anyone else get major Tom Baker tunnel vibes from the new Timelash?
Just slightly.
Definitely largely in keeping with what would’ve been possible at the time, some reminiscent of Pyramids of Mars, which was great! Nice spill. I do feel like when The Doctor’s inside the giants causeway set it’s just a little overkill, but only coz you lose all the details of the set. More fluctuations in its density may’ve helped this, its only in the side by side I saw all the work they’d done on the set. Trying to make it work, otherwise great. If you’d played me the new ones without a side by side I may not have even thought it. As I’d have struggled to remember the originals either way. Great job, elevates it just enough.
The Timelash looks so much better. Yay technology!!!!
Nicely done stuff!
Unpopular opinion: Timelash isn’t as bad as everyone says it it.
I mean, it's bad, there's no denying that, but not as bad as the reputation. The guy playing the Borad is great, Paul Darrow is an absolute cheese-fest on par with Prof. "NOTHING IN ZE WORLD CAN STOP ME NOW!" Zaroff (and I love it!), and it's a decent idea story-wise here.
I think the problem is that it was monumentally over-padded with useless nonsense. If it was 1x45min episode, I think it would have been much better, alas however...
Can't believe they tried to hide all that lovely tinsel
This story needs all the help it can get.
As a Blake's 7 fan, it's worth it just for Darrow hamming it up as some revenge for Colin Baker as Beyban the Butcher.
It's great to see a 1985 Doctor Who episode updated to 2005 state of the art home Adobe effects in 2022!
So much better
Of all the serials in season 22 to get this treatment, Timelash is the last I'd choose, given it's widely disliked, but looking at this, the effects do look good, so whoever did this work did an amazing job. Just a shame the serial is still Timelash, tbh.
Chris Cassell and Justin Lee did the new VFX for this release, same duo who did the new effects for Nightmare of Eden.
@@DanTheMan2150ADChrist. Giving the Nightmare of Eden and Timelash to deal with is actively cruel.
There appears to be a lot of unrefined chroma-keying on the Doctor's jacket in the Timelash. Part of me hopes that it's just a design choice that only LOOKS like a failed chroma-key but honestly that might be an even worse reality.
Everything else looks pretty good though, just that Timelash sequence... Oof.
Mixed bag. The decision to blur all the shots inside the Timelash and add weird fuzzy lights is questionable, I actually think staring at tinsel was preferable. But for the most part the timelash looks better on the outside and the establishing shots of the planet are very good.
I have to disagree. I find inside the Timelash really really cool in the new version. I like how they've taken different elements of different title sequences to create it. I also find it kind of meta that looking into the timelash is like the second Pertwee title sequence and this story is supposed to be a sequel to an unseen Pertwee story. I also like how whether or not there is oxygen in a place is hardly ever an issue in Doctor Who. 😁 I mean, if the Timelash were really a thing, do you think you could breathe inside there?
@@DemetriusSorvo I agreee with Kenneth. Anything is better than Stryofoam and tinsel. It is how I would imagine a space/time void different to our own to be visually something like that. For me the original interior Timelash was one of the most embarrassing special effects in Who's history so I am very glad for the updated version. As for lasers beams etc...doesn't really have any impact on me whatsoever. Yet is they are easily done why not?
Personaly I wish they didn't replace the mini modles of the planet's surface from the original footage but i don't mind the CG lasers and CG vortex being added it's an improvement to the orginal silver tinsel tunnel
A lot of these are hit or miss for me. A lot of them look pretty good but I really hate the effect for inside the timelash. The original isn't great but the new one just looks so weird and cheap. Looks like just a bunch of stacked blur effects.
As a labour of love by a fan this is v impressive, wish I had half the skills of the effect artist. However, I'm not convinced this is up to a commercial standard. The lighting effect around the edges of the entrance to the timelash is v jarring. It would be less distracting to watch the original version. The rotoscoping could use some more work as well. The space scenes are nice though!
It’s what has been released in the Blu-Ray box set for season 22, some of the effects are reasonably good, but some are just unnecessary really.
The Timelash effect doesn't work for me as they've made it a tunnel where all the physical reaction regards it as a pit to fall into.
I've only just noticed that the blu-ray doesn't include an isolated score for Timelash - I was sure it would do. I'm a bit narked about that. It's not the greatest score and certainly doesn't compliment the visuals but it would have been nice to have.
8:19 Is that Jon Pertwee behind the door?
Yes. Been a long time since I've seen it but if I remember correctly, the idea was that the Doctor had already been there before (as Jon) even though that never happened on screen.
I thought the entrance to the timelash was rather good in the original. However the work done on the inside is a definite improvement.
As someone who's seen the original I'm impressed with the new effects, though there's a few where you can barely tell the difference. The ones in the Timelash (crystal search bit) look like they could've been done differently
Amazed they didn't use some Vaseline on the lens in 1985 an get the same blurred images the old fashioned way.
You know it isn't good when you think "This is pretty bad, even for Timelash"
But did they replace the sock puppet Bandrills?
Nice!
No replacement for the Bandrill or the Morlox 😞
Bandrill was the worst for me, I'm sure they would've replaced him with a new version, but I guess not. Hated him more than anything. Yet I liked all the original space shots, but they changed them.
@@jerobriggs6861 They better pull their finger out when it comes to the Season 21 release and the Myrka!
@@jerobriggs6861 I was wondering about the Bandrill but that would be next to impossible. You would have to create a completely new alien.
That's what I was hoping they'd do since he only appears on the scanner screen a couple of times.
They originally wanted to replace them with new models but it came down to a lack of time and a stretched budget sadly.
Timelash is a guilty pleasure. Not great @ all, but I don't mind it.
At least they got rid of the tinsil.
Agreed. How could anyone still prefer tinsel and styrofoam? I thoyught they did a good job in the inside of the Timelash as it was so woeful before not to mention embarrassing.
8:36 Goofy ahh alien from the 80s
Much better but the morlox creature in the cave was still crap lol
I prefer the styrofoam and tin foil effects.
Me too! And the TARDIS coming out of the Timelash, while being a still of the real box, isn't much better than the original effect.
Really?
@@triplejazzmusicisall1883 Yes really.
Is that version of the opening titles theme new to this set? Since it's the best version of the Howell theme I've heard.
It is not. It’s just me using a higher quality rip combined with the Trial title sequence.
Massive improvement for most effects, but dreadful chroma key (mostly on the coat) inside the timelash.. Unfortunately, that whole bit was just a bit too flashy for the eyes. Overall though, I'd rather watch the episode with the new effects.
aaaaaargh!
Cunningmunki did it better.
Massive improvement but from what I can tell the main thing they did was blur stuff out. The less clearly you saw the story, the better. I didn't see any bandril pictures, so I'm guessing that they kept the sock puppet.
They originally wanted to replace it with a new model but it came down to time and budget sadly.
LET'S DO THE TIMELASH AGAIN!!!! You can never polish turd, but you can enjoy a stinker in an other wise enjoyable season, bar the dodgy Sontarans in The Two Doctors.
I appreciate the musical reference there
@@DanTheMan2150AD no problem. Just have to come up for a musical ref to Time-Flight now. COME FLY WITH MEEEEEEE...
I love babelcolour new episodes of doctor who
I just watched Timelash for the first time, and I just have to wonder why people talk about it as though it were the nadir of the Colin Baker era. Sure, it's no classic, but is it really any worse than Attack of the Cybermen or Mark of the Rani?
Yes. Much worse.
Don't know. Kinda prefer the original in most shots
Thinking 1985 was looking ok
As usual, some of the new effects are pointless and worse than the originals!
Thanks for the comparison video. Saves me having to watch the rubbish now!
No amount of elbow grease can polish that turd. 😱😱
The you version here is just terrible 3:50
There is nothing that can improve that story even if they tried!, well they did try and it's a big no for me..
You can’t improve the awful story and the bee keeper outfits sadly
Why bother with this? This episode is so bad the best VFX in the world couldn't save it
Why not?