Nah, it's meant to appeal to 'the general public', which is a nice way of saying 'it needs to be dumb so that more dumb people watch it so we can make more money'
@@exilestudios9546 my brother in christ i really couldnt give 2 shits about hair color as long as they capture the feel of the character and so far they have
This franchise has never been for the fans. The original two games from the 90s were turn based and focused on the story and rpg element. Back in 08 many of the fans left the franchise when FO became and action rpg with first person mechanics. Then Fo4 and 76 came out and were just mediocre and glitchy that further divided the fan base.
@@Pigness7What? Where do you get that from? It's a core part of NCR territory and the headquarters of the Followers of the Apocalypse, an altruistic scientifically-literate group of scholars who run a full-fledged university. Even in Fallout 1 it's not really much more of a shithole than anywhere else in the game, and that's 130 years before this show is supposed to take place.
Can you imagine they pick L.A. as location and won't even mention the Gun Runners, the Crater (Cathedral post nuke), the Hub, Necropolis, Junktown or the Glow?
What about Shady Sands? Either they set this show in Fallout 1 era or they retcon out the NCR entirely because a civilized region under the NCR wasn't exactly fit with Bethesda idea of post-apocalyptic world.
When shows like this are made they try to appeal to the widest audience possible but end up always appealing to absolutely no one, it's made for everyone but only in the most superficial of ways
To be fair this is only the first trailer. Seems a bit early to judge it don't you think? I'm not saying it's going to be amazing or anything, but we won't know of it'll be good or bad until we see another trailer or two.
No, not really. Just the one trailer is all we need to know they're ruining the lore of the franchise. You'd have to be a big fan of Fallout 4 and 76 to not think this is shit already.@@hermos3602
@@hermos3602no the ncr built up its land there isn't a bunch of decrepit buildings falling apart it doesn't look like Mega ton the ncr is damn near pre war
@@hermos3602 yeah, let's hope, because we still do not know enough. To be fair, in the Fallout franchise two main things are very difficult to balance: - Desolation/Society rebuilds - Humor/Grittyness Let's hope they at least get one of the two right
@@elvangulley3210I mean I sort of understand this sentiment, but logistically speaking there MUST still be swathes of California left in ruins. The NCR has a population of a million in a state that IRL is populated by 40x as many people. There simply are not enough people to justify a complete restoration of every bit of destroyed prewar infrastructure. Hell, even up into the 19th century, huge swathes of the city of Rome were still abandoned after 1400 years. It is absolutely insane that there’s no sign of the NCR though, I won’t excuse that lmao
The Last Of Us they straight out said they didn't want any of the cast to know any of the history or source material of the game because they wanted it to feel "like a show" and not "like a game" as they believed that the game isn't a cinematic experience and wanted to make sure they were distinct from each other... Yet it still worked out somehow I believe the cast carried most of that rather than anything but that was a hell of a gamble they took
They are going to do one of three things. One: The NCR is simply in decline because the producers want the show to have frontier feeling. Two: The NCR collapsed offscreen just because the producers want the show to have a frontier feeling. Three: The show will give a very detailed reason(s) for why the NCR seems to be a non-entity in the western coast, just because the producers wanted the show to have a frontier feeling. Also, I feel that the Brotherhood being on the rise again and being described as "patriotic extremist" is because the producers really wanted to have the brotherhood in a major role for the sake of brand recognition.
Tbh, BoS has the coolest looking gear so I get why they’d be a big part of the story. I don’t even mind if they do it well. I can handle changes to things if it makes sense and it respects the overall theme.
You forgot a fourth, more troubling option: The NCR isn't a huge presence in the show because the directors didn't do thier research and/or don't care about continuity. That's what I'm worried about. :/
The NCR will also fall apart because the writets will think "millitary bad" while not doing the research that it was founded and ruled by a women which would make them think "women good ncr good"
My biggest issue with it is that until now, Bethesda has kept their games away from the pacific coast out of respect for the story of the original games. But now not only are they breaking that rule, theyre doing it with a tv show that looks like it gives zero fucks about that story by radically changing canon that’s been established since fallout 2. Just completely rewriting the lore and core ideas of the original games and creators and replacing it with their watered down morally bland version of the fallout universe
I'll wait till release or more trailers till I go one way or the other. I mean the best ending in NV says that the NCR and the Brotherhood work together and the Brotherhood become like cops taking people tech away on patrols. The trailers are in line with the games so far. We just didn't see any NCR in the trailer... because the Brotherhood power armor is more recognizable to the audience. Also It's really weird that everyone just forgets tactics was a thing and was purely BOS centric about them going to the east coast with airships. The lore was dead long before Bethesda. Ghouls and the Brotherhood have been inconsistent since Fallout 2 and Tactics.
@@AllyMonstersGet off the copium, man. We are not gonna see the NCR. Or if we do, they'll be useless and weak. Merely a shadow of what they are truly supposed to be in-lore. Bethesda is wiping away the old lore and making way for their new one. This much should be clear from the rundown state of the west coast that the trailers give us glimpses of. The show takes place 55 years after Fallout 2, and everything looks like the bombs dropped a few decades ago. They are not bringing the NCR in on this. At least not as a properly organized, functioning faction.
Your biggest issue is now your second biggest issue. Why? Because your actual biggest issue is who is making it. It's an Uber feminist making it at a uber feminist network, both of whom have a track record of absolute failure with a genre productions. Season 2 through whatever of Westworld, rings of power Plus privilege, The wheel of Time. That should send shakes down your spine.
@@theminister1154 Lol, you crazy. Just like anything they make, it's going to be both bad and good. Like, they make The Boys and all it's spin offs as well as the Critical Role shows and Invincible with their upcoming their spinoffs too.
The only one of those shows I like is invincible@@AllyMonsters. And that's in spite of some issues with wokeness. You may be a go along to get along with that creepy religion but I am not.
Ngl it would be cool if they explain why the ghoul protagonist looks so good by having him have a character flaw like vanity. You can’t be the heroic ghoul cowboy if you look like Harold afterall,at least from the POV of the character. It would contrast well with some of Raul’s endings too. Like imagine finding out the teeth where scavenged off dead raiders and implanted in,or that they are constantly using dubious chemicals like embalming fluid to keep their face from completely rotting away.
Everyone seems to always push ghouls as zombies but they aren't zombies. If they were truly going for something like zombies they shouldn't have said it was caused by the radiation. Radiation sickness will burn you, cause you limbs and digits to fall off, but it is more burn damage than rotting flesh. They use radiation to sterilize our food and we aren't walking around like the cast of a George Romero movie.
Interesting concept but I love it. I really hope that there is an actual reason for it like that. I mean, the (I’m guessing) flashback where we see Walton as a regular man may allude to that, and I hope it does. Who the fuck knows though, Bethesda themselves had something to do with it so I’d wager the story will be shallow and boring, like most of their modern games.
@@purplehaze5607 Yeah. When the trailers showed the NCR as basically nonexistent and other production shots show off towns that look like they are out of Fallout 3&4 instead of 1,2,&NV it does not fill me with hope. Its likely going to be yet another bethesda project that jerks of the Brotherhood of Steel and destoys the legacy of the original developers along with any hope of another western fallout thats good. Especially since that area actually has some good story elements that could be explored from a POV of some random vault walk the wasteland fuck,like the Shi,Vault City,and New Reno. Writing team for the show probably didn’t even look at the original games.
@@ElongatedMusketGun Someone not sharing your opinion is crying, next it's going to be hate, then it's going to be violence and then you're going to scream WW2 names at us. It's old, tired and full of toxic female energy. Go spend some more time with your single mom little man.
If it doesn't have the NCR as a major faction and/or replaces them with the BOS I'll be pissed. I don't want another Fallout 3 or 4 set on the west coast, the west coast has always been og Fallout and replacing it with Bethesda retcons would be beyond depressing. The only cool thing to me was the ghoul and that was only because it reminded me of the western style of New Vegas.
@@Cotac_RasticOne of the main reasons why I side with House is because the Brotherhood is legitimately irredeemable and evil within the lore of the series and New Vegas in particular if the fate of Christine if you don’t euthanize her is anything to go by in Dead Money. Litteraly sentencing someone to suffer eternally just to prevent people from getting technology they could learn to use responsibly.
@@hermos3602They did but they never became the heroes of the first games and were always more of a significant but minor faction in the game. In Fallout 2 they are basically wiped out by the Enclave (in San Fransisco/game map) and have little to no activity in the game at all.
Yeah and it was really good for being done on a shoestring budget. The difference is The Wayside creators team were dedicated fans. Todd Howard is not a Fallout Fan his statements not withstanding. He is a big Fan of Todd and of Money.
@@jcg9998 Remember everyone; Alien and Aliens are both woke trash because Ellen Ripley gets the 'kill shot'. Scream is double woke, as Sidney takes out BOTH killers. Many other Scream films are woke for the same reason. And Mike Flannegan, what a hack! Gave us 'Hush'. Woke garbage because the female gets the 'kill shot'. 10 Cloverfield Lane You're Next Ready Or Not Death Proof Evil Dead (2013) And so, so many others.... I mean, damn, I guess that makes the Horror genre the "wokest" genre there is? Due to the Final Girl trope? Anywah, wahmen, am I right? I think we should just go back to the good old days when they weren't even allowed to act on stage and men to play women roles.
This will be a corporate story, not one born from a labor of love and passion. It’s essentially just one big elaborate advertisement for the games/other fallout media and the future of Bethesda/MS.
What a horrendous use of ai at the cost of so much goodwill and credibility. You have all these great and expensive looking sets and effects, but cheap out on a poster. How much of the budget would a decent poster have taken up? Not even a quarter of a percent?
Another thing is the fact that in fnv its stated that the brotherhood might as well be extinct but somehow 14 yrs after they basically replaced the ncr as the super power in the region and amassed more firepower than the ncr did
Yup, that’s my main issue with the shows premise. It’s probably too early to jump to any conclusions, but the fact that there are so many Vertibirds flying around LA makes it seem like the BoS was the canon ending in FNV, which would be a horrible choice imo. If anything, perhaps they’ll show (or at least reference) some kind of treaty between the BoS and the NCR. Otherwise, the sizable number of BoS members in the show will be super confusing
@modestomouso1234 yeah I mean peace between the ncr and brotherhood is a possible cannon ending but ots still weird we don't see any evidence that the ncr exists
The BoS wasn't basically extinct in NV. You only deal with an exploratory detachment living in a state of perpetual siege essentially. The BoS back in California is still a thing, it's just in a real rough spot due to the breakdown of relations with the NCR and the NCR-Brotherhood War. Bethesda bastardizes and props up the BoS a shit ton, but if you think Obsidian had any interest in writing the BoS completely off, you are sorely mistaken.
The only explanation I can see is that somehow based on the ending of New Vegas the NCR started a steep decline in resources and fell apart because they over expanded. And that the Brotherhood from the East Coast for whatever reason decided that they need to head to the West in mass force. But even then we'd still see remnants of NCR and the brotherhood has absolutely no explanation because they were literally driven out of the west and have no reason to head west from the east to fight a faction that is much stronger than them. Also the show is portraying the Brotherhood as good guys when they are debatable at best and literally murderers at worse.
Im not going to try and assume a shit load from a trailer.. But reading these comments after watching the trailer and learning its Shady Sands/ Boneyard territory they are in. Then the obvious conclusion is that BoS won the war with NCR ( some how??) Or they signed a peace treaty together?? What we do know for sure now its set after Fo4 timeline. So they are literally creating new lore for the show. A peace treaty tween BoS and NCR sounds more credible than BoS winning. But lets wait til the first couple of episodes air. To see how and when it's explained at least.
Another great IP sacrificed on the altar of woke, like; Lord of the Rings, Wheel of Time, Star Wars, Star Trek, Halo, Witcher, Warhammer, Dr who, Marvel, DC, MCU, DCU, and so many other greats!
@@fightforaglobalfirstamendm5617fortunately the Witcher series wasn’t watched by anyone and cdpr still has the rights to make other games, looking forward for the Witcher one remake
Yeah, that's exactly why I'm done with the franchise after this comes out. If it wasn't canon it would've been easy to ignore but instead its going to ruin the lore and replace it with Bethesda's BoS and super mutant obsessed nonsense.
@WolfLykaios An half of my brain thinks this. But... It's the one half that ruin my enjoyment of 3d Fallout games. I still struggle to not let this part of my brain to overcome the other one and I try to make them go along. Otherwise I will be left with no hope and this will eventually make me stop playing Fallout forever (please no, Fallout is my favorite franchise ever).
Honestly I'm not expecting much. If it turns out to be like the Halo series it's going to suck. If it respects the fan base that supported the franchise then it will be good. Appealing to a broader audience dilutes the the IP. Normies aren't the ones who will stay with the franchise and continue to support it.
The ghoul part is not that much of a problem to me, as ghoulification is not a straightforward line. It is certainly possible that a ghoul could have a "luck" at not looking to decomposed, but that would likely mean that the process is not as strong, perhaps less radiation or some sht, meaning they may not be as tollerant to radiation as other ghouls? There is plenty of room to create several specific cases that deviates from the "undead" type. My concern is the NCR, the main faction in the region, and the portayal of the cult that is the BOS as "good", but because we have limited access to the real sht of the story my main concern is what you said; the world in the heart of NCR land. How? Its to big to just die, to many people would try to fix it. A country like America does not disappear in a few decades, even if the state collapses. The same applies here.
I don’t mind the Ghouls either, especially if one’s going to be a main character I want him to be dejected expressive. Some variety ranging from the cowboy to F3/NV to F1/F2 would be cool to see as the show goes on, as radiation mutations are usually super unpredictable. The feral Ghouls better look gnarly as shit though. If they go light on the prosthetics and CGI with them it’s going to look really dumb.
Bethesda has always had a soft spot for BoS, and Interplay/ Obsidian had a soft spot for Ncr. So i think that Bethesda wants to erase Ncr and replace them with Brotherhood, with another Ncr- Brotherhood war.
I felt we were always gonna have a game in the (distant) future where the dominant factions of the west and east coasts meet and we of course have to decide the fate of the wasteland similar to new Vegas or fallout 4.
The absence of the NCR, the tyranny placeholder the brotherhood seems to be playing, and a whole lot of other changes make it easy to see this will be for casual viewers and newcomers. Bethesda referenced edge runners success when asked about their own upcoming show. But edgerunners was so loyal to the game, that even the alleyways they walked down were in game. 😊
>tyranny placeholder the brotherhood seems to be playing It really is an archetype. Sometimes if feels like about half of modern shows and b-movies are made by the same people who write the same plot with the same archetypes they fill in by what they feel is the closest analogue from a poached ancient IP, then shoot it in the same style with the same "gritty" color filter.
“Acclaimed video game director” Todd Howard. I’m curious what his involvement was with the show. Considering how bad the story in Starfield is, which was his baby, I’m not sure Todd is really a “writer guy”. And no, Todd, I will NOT buy Skyrim again!
Awww, but you'll miss out on the god rays. The GOD RAYS! But no, seriously, I'd rather they "update" the game by releasing it as "buying the game again" rather than updating the game regardless of if we want it or not. I'm sick of all my mods breaking because the main file got updated pointless bs I never asked for and don't even use.
@@Princess_Celestia_ Todd is definitely re-re-releasing the game for every new console. Kinda reminds me of the "Game of the Year Edition" concept. Packaging a patched edition with all the DLC and some improvements? And it should cost like $8-$12, not almost full price. And I agree with you on not updating. But are you talking about releasing updates to Skyrim (for PC, for example) until it reaches version 1.9. Then, release a shiny new v2.0 Skyrim for $8, then update that one until v2.9, then release v3.0. It funds continuing development and update costs while still providing value to anyone who wants to update/buy the new versions. And people who just want to stay with v1.9 or whatever can do that. If that's what you're saying I think that's an interesting idea- but I could have totally misinterpreted it.
My biggest gripe is that, these hypothetical executives, don't think it's more profitable to make something that caters BOTH old fans and potential new ones, by respecting the source material and the spirit of the IP instead of bogging it down to the lowest common denominator that they think it will appeal to the masses. The Joker 2018 comes to mind. No one expected it to be good, but because the central story of it is so full of spirit that people went to the cinema MULTIPLE times to watch it made it such a success.
Because the sociopath nepo babies that run these companies would rather a 1/6 diceroll at 100% profitability than a 5/6 diceroll at 80% profitability. Every single one of them looks at Marvel or Fortnite and jealously seethes "that should be MINE."
Yeah, this is something I always keep mentioning whenever I criticize a shitty adaptation, and my prime exemple is Netflix's The Witcher -- that show could've easily been infinitely better in every respect and appealed to both hardcore fans of the books and normies that couldn't care less they existed, but the team behind it decided to make it into a very twisted and diluted version of what the books present, and that's only when they're not cramming a bunch of new underwhelming shit that just messes what was an already shitty representation even more. What we're left with is a very lackluster generic dark fantasy that can barely be called "The Witcher", when they could've just followed the books with very minor changes to only accommodate for the audiovisual format and most likely pleased both new viewers, who would appreciate the actually coherent and well-crafted story and world, and the fanbase, which expected to see the words on the pages come to life beyond their imagination... What a disgrace we got. It's also a pity most of the criticism it got focused on the casting, which was indeed terrible, but is surprisingly far from the worst thing in that show and thus shifted attention from the more significant flaws... But yeah, the executives just handed their purchased rights to a TV adaptation of an IP with extreme potential to a team of very incompetent people that apparently didn't even like the source material and just wanted to make their own bullshit. You'd think any person investing money on something would care about how well it's being applied, but I just see more and more examples that it isn't necessarily the case... Maybe the executives were just fooled, 'cause I sure was when Lauren Schmidt went on Twitter before the show released to lie about how she would respect to source material. Crazy how some people have no shame about such behavior...
If it isn't targeted towards the massive fanbase and it betrays the lore more than Bethesda has at times, then it will see the kind of performance Rings of Power/Wheel of Time has. Expect shit, hope for the best.
I would be genuinely surprised if the writers bothered to learn anything about Fallout lore at all before making this show, let alone if they knew who the NCR were. My expectations are very low.
I don't know if they'd go to the extreme of erasing NCR entirely. I think the reason the Brotherhood is featured so heavily in the trailer is because they are by far the most iconic (and marketable) faction. The trailer to me just looks like all of the generic things you think of when you think Fallout. Vaults, power armor, robots. But if the Brotherhood has a significant presence now, it suggests to me one of three things. 1. NCR has faced a steep decline. A defeat at Hoover Dam would probably destroy their economy and people's faith in the nation overall. Members of their military start to become deserters and the military shrinks, and the Brotherhood takes advantage of that to reclaim Los Angeles. They are starting to win the war because the bear is greatly weakened and demoralized. 2. The NCR has already collapsed and been dissolved, and now with no remaining opposition in the West, the Brotherhood is able reassert their dominance. 3. Maybe the NCR and Brotherhood and finally put an end to their war and NCR allowed the Brotherhood to setup a base in Los Angeles. This would probably the safest option if they want to keep both factions intact, but probably not as interesting. With all of that said, I don't expect this show to be good. It's probably just going to be another generic big budget show. I suppose if the backlash is big enough, they can say it's non-canon.
The NCR exists we've seen them in production photos, just because they didnt show them in the first trailer doesn't mean shit. They very much could be in an economic collapse which NV hinted at possibly happening.
“The fallout to show probably isn’t made for you” Well, I can tell, they set the series after the formation of the NCR, in an area the NCR controls, and there’s no mention of the NCR at all. If it was made for fallout fans, they’d actually try to stick to the lore. UA-cam fucked up and posted my comment twice. Perfect website, no issues.
Yeah but hearing the words “New California Republic” give Todd PTSD of when Obsidian clapped their cheeks together and shat out a game that made Todd look like a joke. Of course there won’t be NCR. Or he’ll probably turn them into a much lesser faction and prop up the Brotherhood in their place. And I also heard they’re going to retcon parts of New Vegas, which gives them a ton of leeway as far as finding excuses to weaken the NCR.
@@ryatt9365which is so fucking dumb because you could just say the NCR got weakened after the Wars with the Legion it fits cannon and wouldn't piss people off as it was a likely outcome to the ending of New Vegas but ofc they'll find some obscure shit to fuck with
@@jeambeam3173 Yeah, have it be that House or Courier won Hoover Dam, both weaken the NCR heavily. If you want NCR to have won, just say the chaos starting in Arizona and the rest of the area around Vegas is keeping them tied up there so they can protect their new territory.
The NCR exists we've seen them in production photos, just because they didnt show them in the first trailer doesn't mean shit. They very much could be in an economic collapse WHICH WAS HINTED AT MAYBE HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE IN NEW VEGAS
My main problem is the date. I mean they are setting it almost 100 years after the New California Republic was founded. I mean according to the lore even before this show Los Angeles is the largest city in the Republic and possibly the world it has a University again, and is home of the mint and national reserve. Somehow the trailer does not seem to show any of that.
From the trailer looks like they're going for a Futurama-like mood. I really hope it doesn't come out awful, my Fallout heart is already broken to tiny pieces
"The Couriers finally, really did it. They blew up the lands east and west of the Mojave, damning them all to hell. The act was discovered 200 years later, as other Couriers explored the Mojave wastes. There, they saw NCR relics, reminders of their once proud history." Those are some supply lines lol. @@basedvorenus7497
Alternatively, without Wild Wasteland. "The Divide erupted in fire, violent, red as the last message of the two Couriers arced into the sky... The missiles rained like spears down on the land, burning flags and communities alike... destroying all they struck. The history of the West was erased for the second time, thorough and complete... and America slept once more"@@basedvorenus7497
I've been saying it for years but this franchise is just dead, man. Only thing worth while is fan projects and replaying older games. It's a joke that's been gentrified by corporate piggies trying to pander to 'normies' by dumbing down everything with Bethesda garble.
The sad fact of being a Fallout fan is that there are more bad content in the series than there is good. And that the last good game was released 13 years ago.
Just because you don't like the current state of Fallout, that doesn't mean it's "dead". Plenty of people enjoy the current stuff. If no one did, Fallout 76 would've been shut down years ago and it actually was close to it.
@@gathenhielm9977You can dislike the current Fallout games. It's fine, but don't act like no one likes it. New Vegas might be the last "good" Fallout game to you, but there's plenty of people who enjoy Fallout 4 and 76. You don't have to like those games, but don't act like nobody likes them.
Really? You don't want to watch a Brotherhood of Steel show set in a 50s apocalypse that looks nothing like the Fallout that you actually find engaging and interesting? I'm sure there'll be plenty Marvel-esque cringe humour too, along with "remember this?" "remember this?" fan baiting.
In the end, fans like you are just showing how huge your ego is. Why the attitude is shutting down before even actually knowing how the show is going to be? If its good, great. If its bad, kind of not surprising. Such a weird mentality to be a negative nancy
Which is unfortunate, but it does make New Vegas non-canon material. Same way it's unfortunate that Fallout 76 is considered canon material. It sucks but there's nothing we can do to combat the IP holder beyond headcanon.
Bethesdas been giving it a Lot of attention recently with Tons of new merch and also stuff you can buy in 76 like the ncr veteran ranger armor variants and such
@@georgie9303 new vegas had only slightly more than a year development time and still managed an 83 on metacritic despite being half broken at launch due to bethesdas refusal to allow them to delay its release to fix it The only reason new vegas didnt score higher, despite its better gameplay, better story, better rpg elements, better worldbuilding, better map, better dlcs, better Everything, was due to bethesda shooting obsidian in the leg so they didnt have to worry about its release effecting sales of skyrim. To put in perspective, development of 4 began as soon as fallout 3s last dlc Released. It was developed from 2009 to 2015 Obsidian had from 2009 to 2010 to make new vegas.
@@ConnorNotyerbidness Obsidian was the one who chose not to delay, Bethesda offered them an extension but they didn’t want to take it. This is according to Chris Avellone, who worked on NV as a level designer and for the DLC’s. You’re wrong, just cause you’re a NV fanboy doesn’t mean you should spout lied 😂🤷🏻♂️
@@hermos3602 Adapting fairly niche comics is one thing. Adapting some of the biggest IPs in the world with millions of devoted fans is another. And from seeing Rings of Power, it's evident they don't really put much care or thought into it.
They are not intent on it. They have done it; but yes they hate FO1, FO2, FNV. To be fair Interplay/Blackisle did not respect their own franchise. Canon was broken with FO2. Ditching Van Buren for that Atrocious X-Box game and then going belly up and selling all the rights to Bethesda in the hopes of doing some online atrocity that never materialized.
Cool that you enjoyed it but I wouldn’t go out and say it’s surprisingly well done. Fan or not of the lore, some of the dialogue is incredibly corny and quipy. Maximus is the worst character I have ever seen in any Fallout media.
Bethesda could also have decided to use the show and the setting as an opportunity to declare the events of New Vegas non-canon, especially given how much distaste the Bethesda team has for it
I don't think anyone would make a multi-million dollar TV show to spite a different studio but it's possible that it's one of a number of secondary reasons for the setting being the way it is
And that would also alienate the players, since F:NV is an amzing story, not only a game, but a beatutiful story that not F3, nor F4, even went closely
@@silverams480 the Fallout New Vegas fans are a large part of the fanbase, but the show will bring in more fans, as will new Bethesda installments. They don't need the hardcore New Vegas fans
This is true, the story for this show was made by someone’s dad watching a Fallout 4 trailer and asking “Hey, what if Fallout was set in the West Coast!”
Yeah the ghoul cowboy did the same to me. I told my dad all about fallout 4 and he was very into the story. I got him hype for this series then the trailer dropped. I stopped talking about fallout to him lol. I'm still optimistic but I've been through this with the dark tower and avatar the last Airbender. This always happens
Just wait until they make sure that the Brotherhood is led by Elder Feminist... Either that or they will be made to be evil if it's a white dude in charge.
I have a simple idea to "fix" the ghoul. Once he's liked by the audience and (presumably) the other characters, have him explain the process of ghoulification, while doing so, have him take his teeth out, they're fake. His gums rotted away and he teeth fell off, he found the dentures in an old house he was looting, and they fit well enough thankfully. For this one shot sink in his cheeks, have the gums be all black, and play with the lighting to amplify the effect, show how nasty his body really is. The rest of the time have him be very careful about his appearance, keep his clothes as clean as possible, always wipe away blood from his face, maybe even make sure that nothing is hanging around in his nose hole, or have some semblance of a skincare routine he tries to stick to, like show that he cares deeply about that stuff. (Even small things like stepping around a puddle while everyone else just go through) Eventually have them meet another ghoul that has given up on looking good, and show them as they were in Fallout 3, green bits and all, make it clear that he is an outlier and that the rest of them are hard to look at. Hell if there was ever a place that he called home after the bombs, have some attempts at nose prosthetics in the background laying in front of a broken mirror, suggesting he broke the thing out of frustration when he couldn't make it work and hasn't touched the whole think since. Have him been genuinely annoyed when someone hands him an old pair of gag glasses with the big nose in an attempt to lighten the mood, because that's actually a very real sore spot for him At some point also have him acknowledge that he did get lucky somewhat, and that his skin could look a hell of a lot worse. But nothing to on the nose (pun very much intended), just throw away lines or background behavior that only make sense after the fact once all the context is gathered, and nasty ghouls have been met. Also the idea of a two centuries old violent murderous disfigured cowboy that is more obsessed with his appearance than a high schooler is funny to me, and I don't think we're really had this kind of ghoul in canon yet (Hancock did care somewhat but not to that extent I think) (I just wrote a new character for my Fallout TTRPG by accident, I'm not mad at it)
Great idea seems like you should be a writer on this show. Hope they do even 10 percent of what you laid out and this show could be decent. As a long time Fallout fan, only haven't played 4 yet and 76 which I won't play, I think people like us will be very disappointed. But I will give it a chance.
I'm an old guy, that has playing Fallout games since the 90's, I just love the games and the truth is that I just the whole concept, since I was a boy. I had the opportunity to visit one with my Dad, back in the 60's, and I guess it made quite an impression on me. If you have a problem, with "Fallout 5" now being cannon, wait till it gets released, and its just oozing with "The Message".
It’d probably be too deep for their writers to handle. They should write something we’ve never heard of before like your grandfather leaving the vault and he turns out to be a bad guy 💀 😱 SCARY 😦
Dear god, of all things I genuinely hope it isn’t ruined by “the message”. There are so many amazing and relevant themes you can cover in fallout without resorting to wokeness!
@chandllerburse737 except none of that was woke. Also, we can’t judge whether or not it WOULD be seen as woke because it came out when wokeness wasn’t a thing or wasn’t widespread yet.
They made the white guy a ghoul from the past and the black dude the brotherhood of steel fighting for the future. The woman is the strong independent as the main character. That's all I can say about what this series show is all about
@@bananashakeofmordor She's going to find her way having a love relationship with the black dude while fighting against injustice from white masculinity throughout the wasteland. There, I just told you the general plot of this tv show.
When I play Fallout, my character is always female because I'm female. I don't see how that is an issue. In the game ghouls don't have a race, really. They're just radiated people. The Brotherhood of Steel is again just people, so I don't understand why anyone who has enjoyed the Fallout series would be mad at the main guy representing this faction is a black actor. I'm really hoping that this show is great, because I really enjoyed the games!
@@CrystalCorbett-Lyngeomost of the games started as a male protagonist, so I was like wtf when I saw a woman playing a character walking the wasteland. It’s not realistic to when you consider someone walking the wasteland. She’d survive 15 mins on her own
I just _subverted_ _Amazon's_ _expectations_ by cancelling my Prime membership over their upcoming inclusion of commercials during Prime video streaming. So, its not a case that the Fallout TV show is made for me. I am not made for Amazon.
Rushed and forgotten about quickly? Yeah hopefully if it ends up bad. There's a certain point when we as fans can just declare things as "non canon" and write our own better fiction.
The show got me and my brother playing fallout again, got my dad interested in the franchise and even my mom watched the show, so it definitely seems like it was written both for fans and causal viewers alike.
As much as I'd like to wait with bated breath and hope against hope that its going to be good, the mere fact that there appears to be zero mention of the NCR already seems to me highly worrying. You mean to tell me that if this series, set in the heart of the Republic in a timeframe still wholly within in-game children's memories, had NCR present they *wouldn't* put it in the trailer? Frankly, if it's not in the trailer it's not in the show, especially in our day and age where any proficient video editor is experienced in ringing out any and all "hype bait" from the source material and throwing it together an incrediby spoiler filled trailer...
The whole point of NV is to say the NCR are doomed unless they work with the BOS and all the other factions in the Mojave that can work with the NCR. The Legion, Mr. House, and the NCR all fail unless they get their best endings. I mean the best ending in NV says that the NCR and the Brotherhood work together and the Brotherhood become like cops taking people tech away on patrols. The trailers are in line with the games so far. We just didn't see any NCR in the trailer... because the Brotherhood power armor is more recognizable to the audience. We've seen the NCR in leaked images though. Also It's really weird that everyone just forgets tactics was a thing and was purely BOS centric about them going to the east coast with airships. Ghouls and the BOS were ruined lore wise since Fallout 2.
@@AllyMonsters Yeah, I saw another comment like this, and it makes sense. The kind of simple garb of the NCR wouldn’t be as eye catching as the BOS’s power armor and vertibirds.
For context to the comment above, the ending slide in question is: "The Brotherhood and the NCR in the Mojave Wasteland declared an official truce, despite continued hostilities between the two in the west. As per their agreement, the NCR handed over all suits of salvaged power armor and in return the Brotherhood helped patrol Interstate 15 and Highway 95." which triggers if Brotherhood and NCR broker peace, and NCR wins at the Battle of Hoover Dam.
'I understand why they made certain choices and I hope it's good, but I suspect it's not made with me in mind' I'd hardly consider that the "wingings of an adult man child" I think you articulated clear and valid reasons for concern without overstepping into "If it's not for the fan base, then it shouldn't exist" territory
A note about NCR and Boneyard. Boneyard in 2 and Vegas is still depicted as a rough area to live and grow up in. Vegas also established that outside what are the core NCR cities, ranchers, small towns and traders rely heavily on the army to protect them from raider tribes, which is why the Mojave force was so under equipped and stretched thin. It's also revealed the NCR is facing a potential food shortage in the Vault 22 questline with a time line of roughly a decade of sustainable food left. It's very possible that the NCR has suffered a period of decline following the destruction of its gold reserves and potentially failed Vegas campaign.
Honestly, I think you're onto something. Sprinkle in mentions of the Mariposa Military base, the Enclave's excavations of it, the destruction of the Enclave's oil rig, and something about New Vegas going independent "After some upstart courier of all people deposed Mr. House, and convinced both General Oliver and the Legions to leave them alone." Basically, leave enough information for we who played the games to figure out which way things shook out.
@@MrMadre Yeah. But it's *Amazon*. And *Bethesda*. Coherent narratives and adherence to a roughly consistent canon is not part of their core competencies. The last Fallout game was Fallout 76. They could have a really good justification for everything that's going on. But no one expects them to, and most people aren't willing to write some random, unfounded story to explain it for them.
@@AusSP Fallout 76 has been sound in regards to lore. Not braking anything I can think of and fixing lore issues from previous games (e.g Power armor training and T-60) and Amazon has made some great shows. It depends on the writers of the show, not always the company they come from.
You're correct. I'd also like to mention that water is becoming more scarce as well within the Core Region, because the NCR keeps pumping out lakes and aquifers. Chief Hanlon of the NCR Rangers talks about this at Camp Golf. NCR needs the Colorado not just for the Dam, and its electricity but as a water source too. That Director of OSI mentions within a few years a famine will occur, he specifically mentions within a decade or two for it to occur. The show takes place 15ish years after New Vegas, which coincides perfectly between what that OSI Director said.
@@Tijuanabill that's pretty common in vaults post bomb lol, and this is set the furthest down the fallout timeline where 90% of vaults are full of mutants and half of those are because they were experimenting on the dwellers
Small correction on Rings of Power: it was not popular. 38% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes. 7/10 on IMDb (owned by Amazon). That’s after 1000s of negative reviews being deleted, Amazon blocking negative reviews for days (and often permanently) and threatening to ban people from submitting reviews on their website. Amazon’s “viewing numbers” are based on the number of people who “sampled” the show (in Amazon’s own words). What’s a sample? 63% people gave up on ROP and never finished it. With the show itself costing hundreds of millions of dollars, that’s a flop. Sorry for the overly long comment, but I felt obligated to post some numbers to counteract the marketing spin Prime is pushing on people. That said, love your vids, and learned something new from this one too!
I don't know if Todd hates NV specifically, but its been well established that Bethesda hates continuity and consistent world building. See Pete Hines line on why the BOS are in Fallout 76. "We won't be beholden to something written 20 years ago".
@@Mirthful_Midori Because there is no lore. No one including Black Isle respected the original story or its lore. They all have been changing and adding and subtracting things as they saw fit to come up with a new story line for the next game so they could keep milking the same cow. I call it "The Planet of The Apes effect" Where a story is forced to conclude by an ending that leaves no place to go but an endless series of movies is made afterwards anyway to milk the cow.
Nope just yall saying that FO3 literally outsold all of the Ogs in a week, with better and better sales. All you can do his try to argue that NV shitty writing is good, but anyone who played the game will dismantle that argument
@@datboicasino More sales doesn't make it a good game, its just means its a profitable game, particularly for casual fans not the OG or fans familiar with Morrowind or their other titles prior to Fallout 3
This really should be in someplace not explored much, like Seattle(at least I don't think this area has been), Texas, or Florida. There the BoS existing could make sense. Seattle and Texas are chapters that formed after spreading, and Florida could be a contingent from Maxon or even people who refused to join him in his neo-Enclave since the time jump between 3 and 4 is enough to get them there. And now you don't need to worry about lore contradictions other than how the BoS is here, but even then, Seattle is close by to the origins of BoS, I doubt Texas was the only used to oil and so was desolate at the end, there are plenty of other techs that can be developed there, and Florida can be the BoS wants all the space stuff, can even expand that one to Texas as well.
Sadly, Im from Texas and dont really see a good location to actually provide a decent Fallout setting. Its too spread out. FO1 and Fallout Tactics were of large areas and maybe they would have been okay, but not a game like 3 or 4 or what looks like for this TV show when you will want an area about 50 miles square to have all the action. That said...a Lone Star Republic with the Texas Rangers of the "One riot, one Ranger" style would be great.
Appears Bethesda made them agree to not do it in a possible future location. So, this leaves out places like Philadelphia, Seattle, Chicago, the Carolina's and Texas. My guess, they are showing the results of NCR losing in New Vegas, they were already close to falling apart as it were. New Vegas was their last hope to stop the breaking of the NCR.
@@jefferydraper4019 My idea for Texas game is set it in the Triangle, with the Texas Commonwealth flag (Which is just Texas with three extra stars), representing the Roplex (Dallas-Ft Worth Area), Austin, Houston, and St. Tono's inside areas for the map. 3, NV, and 4 already play loose with distances, so I figured this would be fine. Some places could be old oil fields, maybe even the Space Center. Plot idea was the Texas Federation was attacked by other members of the Enclave following loss of contact with Raven Rock, and you play as the Last Ranger who survived the takeover, and they kept you alive because you're loyal to the people, and so they believe if showing they are best bet for Texas, you'd join them. Meanwhile surviving members from the Federation have been biding their time, and hope you will help them defeat the Enclave again. Was thinking takeover was 2280, and game starts around 2300. Texas is also surprisingly clean because Vaults 92-94 are all one massive experiment in trying to terraform a radiated wasteland. 92 had a ton of GECKS, and 93 and 94 had a bunch of crops and animals to transplant back in, with them all being nearby Houston. Some DLC ideas would be an NCR Ranger based one, with NCR ending for FNV and them trying to help stop the Enclave again, another one based on rogue Super Mutants, as the only ones seen in Texas to keep consistent with lore are from the Enclave themselves, DLC is a failure to contain earlier experiments in Texas area.
Seattle has not been explored in the fallout lore. only hinted at through lore tidbits. The story of the washington brotherhood is hinted as being very tragic and dark because of something they discovered hidden there.
You know what else is in the L.A. Boneyard? A crater that used to be a church, where The Master and his super mutant army were set up. What is the betting that will never be referenced?
Is it probably gonna be a Rings of Power esque fiasco? Probably. The production (at least to me) seems to be up in the air over which writers and producers are going to have more of an influence. Kitler Films did do Westworld after all, which honestly is at least somewhat akin to kind of that New Vegas style people love so maybe that will be a good point for reference, but also one of the co-writers co-wrote Captain Marvel.... so... who knows? (Then again I haven watched Westworld only heard good things so correct me if Im wrong!).
I guarantee the western cowboy style will be about as dry and sterile as the Red Dead town in Starfield. It won't be a settlement or a group of people actually living that lifestyle, it'll just be a bunch of assholes LARPing as cowboys.
welp, if a co-writer of captain marvel got his hands on the script its as good as dead. Thank you for lowering my expectations even further, I hope I'm pleasantly surprised though.
If they really did get rid of the NCR, I'm sure the reasoning behind it is that it isn't very visually exciting to new viewers, like it would make the wasteland seem too familiar. So they just wanted to shove in lots of cool power armor and stuff and so the reason for the Brotherhoods rise will probably feel pretty contrived. (Although then why not just set it somewhere that's not LA) I think they just want to cash in on as many things that visually scream "Fallout" as possible, and the story will just be whatever.
Although a lot of people won’t agree with me I feel like Utah would be an amazing place to explore. Mainly because we are somewhat already familiar with seeing as how in New Vegas we went to Zion. But I just think being able to explore the deserts, mountains,the Great Salt Lake, and Salt Lake City would make a place for the show.
I'm currently running a Fallout TTRPG set in that region, a few years after the events of Fallout 2. The Salt Lake City has a lot of untapped lore, especially the 80s and New Canaan.
The vault is located in Los Angeles but the brotherhood base shown in the trailer is Wendover Air Base which is located in Utah on the border of Nevada so them being able to build forces and an airship makes sense
@@francmarcus8433 I've tried to look into this and found nothing. The filming is being done in Utah, as you said, but all sources only say that the show is set in Los Angeles.
The problem I noticed with Fallout over the years is the humour. Fallout had humour but it was very dark humour, this seems to have been lost for more goofy humour in the newer games which ruins the tone of the game.
The thing is you can both make things digestable to wider audiance and respect the IP your working with. I just hope it doesnt totaly wreck the lore of the west coast, if the story is formulaic or bad I wont be too fussed, I just want the cannon to work. The good news is there is a leaked shot outthere of an NCR HQ, so we know they are likley still at least partialy functional. I would also like to point out that in fallout 2, iirc, only the NCR capitol and vault city looke super clean, there were plenty of other areas in the califorina wasteland that still looked like wasteland.
Hollywood has a terrible track record with video game adaptations. Over the last year or two there have been some good ones but..... I'm worried that this is be like the Halo show. Basically a "in name only" adaptation. I hope that they prove me wrong.
The good thing about the story being set in post war LA is that they can just shoot on the streets of LA and say "It's post war, look even the ghouls are here!".
@@purpseatpeeps8641 Yeah, I'm eternally grateful to demonrat party policies that made the US one big cabaret. -Hey, I know! What if we envisioned a dystopia where stealing was legal? -Ha, hilarious! But nobody would believe such an atrocious thing! What next? Legalizing fentanyl and paying for the drugs of addicts?!
It has been my experience that the canonicity of a particular work is often subject to its reception. If the series turns out to be 100% bovine excrement, I would expect its canonicity to be called into question.
Just like the Halo show. The first season was so fucking atrocious that they covered their ass by going “oh this whole thing is a big what if scenario, don’t worry the actual canon is safe”. What they don’t realize is that they still taint the image of the IP when they create low effort trash under its name.
we've been getting the same fucking story in fallout since fallout 3 >leave the vault >search for something/someone >oh damn ghouls >oh damn brotherhood of steel
@@TheSimGuy007 bad take dude. Fallout 1 was the first one in the franchise, you'd think after so many entries they'd have broken the mold, but we keep getting fallout 1, only in different locations
@@rattfink99 Yeah, and if they break the mold, you fanboys will cry about it not being Fallout enough. Cant win with you guys. Inb4 "but but Obsidian did it and it was like the best thing ever!!!!111" of course because its obsidian, if it was bethesda everyone will dislike it becase yall hate everything bethesda does. I hate some of the changes they did too but i give credit where its due unlike you guys
As soon as they made it clear they would NOT be starting at the beginning of the timeline and covering the story of Fallout 1 i checked out. Todd hates that Black Isle/Obsidian titles are considered better than his and he seems to wish he could delete their existence. I really hope he bombs the next title so hard that Microsoft gives the title back to Obsidian. Thats literally about our only hope of ever getting a good one again.
It will happen when the descendant of the chosen one brings down the source code for Van Buren from Mt Olympus and hands it to the developers at Obsidian. If this happens I'll start going back to church. 🤣
Not that I want to defend Todd Howard or anything, but where are we getting all of this "Todd Howard is petty and hates the Black Isle/Obsidian Fallouts" from?
@@Thagomizer The fact he always changes the topic when asked about letting Obsidian do another spin off would be number 1. The fact he cut their pay over one particular critic rating. The fact he gave them 18 months to make a game and not a day more (they still did better than him). His face whenever someone brings up NV being the highest rated by fans. etc etc.
@@eclipsegst9419 Its probably not just Todd, it could also be the executive like Pete Hines and their old ceo (Who died like ages ago, been with the company since the 1980s I believe), I highly doubt its the employees, since I've heard they've praised the devs for fnv
It's not a good sign about who they think their target audience is that they chose Vanity Fair for it's initial magazine coverage. This would be like someone doing an adaptation of a Hemingway novel and going to PC Gamer Magazine.
Honestly, Fallout kind of has a built in infodump for new fans, in the form of following a Vault Dweller or outsider into each region. They could be faithful to the game lore, and get the average viewer invested in the world without making much extra setup. Just some environmental work and a few conversations about the history
Maybe something like The Book of Eli, where the main charachter is already an experienced wastelander and we see most exposition just by the enviroment
Brotherhood of steel insignia painted with the color Red on The Power armors in the trailer (Unlike the Mojave chapter whom has the color Yellow) and East cost with White colored Insignia (Caswennan has the paint of Bos insignia Painted white), which makes think the BoS from the TV are different chapter from the Mojave and the East cost But will be visited later By the East coast chapter arriving in the caswennan!
Yes for sure they are West coast But Might not be the same one as the Mojave chapter (Based on the Insignia color) or maybe they are what left of the Mojave chapter and thus we have an Older scribe as member of the BoS as desperate measures. also I am almost Positive the airship is east coast coming to support them
In all honesty I think Bethesda should move away from Fallout for a bit and focus on the Elder Scrolls. Bethesda has only made two actual Elder Scrolls games since Morrowind while Fallout Fans have gotten four actual games since Fallout Tactics (Three Made By Betheada and one contracted and published by Bethesda). To me Bethesda needs to give a Fallout a break and give the Elder Scrolls far more attention.
Agree. Tamriel is meant to be so much grander than the Wasteland, yet we got "cities" with an average of about 6 buildings in Skyrim. They need to be putting their all into TES6, because if that flops or even underperforms, they're done.
Why? They'll only ruin TES faster then. At least juggling two IPs means they are slowed down in their quest to utterly destroy everything I love. If anything we'd all be better off if they just stopped developing both games altogether. At least then they'd stop fucking them up and even fucking up the lore of the previous games in the process.
Amazon is hit or miss. You get shows like Rings of Power which most people dislike. Then you get shows like The Boys which mostly everyone loves. It will be interesting to see if they acknowledge New Vegas or not.
I was just on a mini rant about this (-to myself, because I'm weird-) but it just hit me: What if the reason NCR isn't present or doesn't look to be present is because they're (-the show runners-) are following one of the Lonesome Road DLC endings? Specifically, the one where the courier nukes both the NCR and Legion at the end, since Legion doesn't look to be anywhere on the pitch either? It would explain both their absences, the state of the New California wastes in general, and give Bethesda all the space they need to completely rewrite the Fallout verse afterwards, without ever having to consider the implications of New Vegas ever again. Effective for their purposes, I think, and probably the best way to go about it. Have we seen any brahmin yet?
@@Pigness7...no, it hints at a food shortage, at worst. Which is assumedly dealt with using Vault 222 data. If there was a potenti economic collapse people wouldnt be able to to throw away their money in Vegas and Mr Houses plan wouldnt involve mooching off their citizens to get to space. Mr House of all people would know if their economy would collapse.
i'm pretty sure the nukes only destroy the supply to the mojave,if anything,this would just HELP the NCR,cause as far as i can tell the mojave campaign is unpopular as all hell
I just started playing Fallout. Didnt know a show was coming out. Amazon....show...hard pass. They f'ed up before, can't picture them getting any of it right.
I’ve been really into FNV and Fallout Shelter. I’d say this show has a 75% chance of being bad, 15% chance of being decent and a 10% chance of being amazing. I want this show to be good so bad. The lore mixed with whatever story they try to make scares me.
@@UnpaidInternNo.9472 I don’t know about the Enclave yet but that would be lazy as hell. It honestly just sucks how bad FO4 is. It was my first Fallout game. 3rd second then my favorite NV. If they follow any plot about finding a family member it’s already downhill.
The Fallout Show seems to be based on Fallout 3 and 4. Everyone still lives in shacks (even after 200+ years later), the Brotherhood are (as far as we know) the dominant faction and the "good guys", we'll see the same five mutants (radroaches, brahmin, deathclaws, ghouls, and super mutants) again, ghouls that look more like recent burn victims than actual 200 year old mutants (though the director's excuse, makes some sense), bottle caps are the sole currency, no cars, double down on the whole "Fallout is if the 50's never ended" debate, and no form of government anywhere (again, 200+ plus years later). This isn't a show about Fallout, this is a show about Bethesda's Fallout. Maybe I'm wrong, but giving the state of the entertainment industry and adaptations nowadays, I highly doubt it. EDIT [1/23/2024]: At least now they have a reason to involve all the recurring mutants. But I still feel that Bethesda will go with their own spin on the first Fallout. No offence to those who genuinely like Bethesda's Fallout, I just get a little crazy when it comes to lore consistency.
One thing to note is that the vault with the NCR flag may not be Vault 33. We've been told that V33 never opened, so basically another V101 situation. We also know there's a Vault 32 appearing in the show (likely the one with the cyclops overseer), so it's possible the flag belongs in there.
Oh no i don't think they will because i like to believe that Todd is not stupid enough to go that far most likely will the NCR be "returned" to there Fallout 2 size
@@derkurier2710In Fallout 2, they controlled the boneyard, the Hub, Junktown, Shady Sands, Dayglow, and Maxson. In that game, they were mostly focused on expanding northward.
It's the same for every IP. Nobody hates an IP more, than it's biggest fans. Go to a fan forum for Marvel, Star Wars, you name it, it's the same everywhere.
Fallout 1 & 2 I spent tons hours in college playing pirated versions i found. Bought the rest. I'm pretty sure i spent a few years of my life on 3 and New Vegas 😄 4 was meh... some good ideas and quality of life changes. And now things are dead... Thank goodness the creators of Final Fantasy 7 are pouring their honest talent into the remake. At least some some people still genuinely care about their source material.
When I saw the Brotherhood of Steel in their T-60 power armors I was almost certain that these were the East-Coast Brotherhood that won in Fallout 4 than came back to the west coast to "liberate" thier west coast brothers cause I dont know how the West-coast has the ability to make such ship like the prydwin on their own since the blueprints and resources to make it were found in the east-coast to begin with.
If all fans and content creators say that it's not canon, what are they gonna do? It's us who care about this fiction, it's them who care about its profitability.
They aren't gonna care. They didn't change their stance on Fallout 76 being canon and New Vegas being non-canon after all the fan criticism of both choices.
"Hey, I got a great idea... let's take the demographic of the country that pays for most of this franchise and lets make sure we make the characters that they want to look like them be not like them... I think we will make bank with this idea just like Star Wars, MCU, Dr. Who, etc..."
I thought the point of adapting an IP with a pre existing fan base is to make money off of said fanbase. Instead, nearly every adaptation actively antagonizes the entire reason you're supposed to be adapting something in the first place. It's like opening a steak house, inviting everyone in, and then proceed to lecture people on animal cruelty before finally informing them that there's no actual steak on the menu and instead you'll be serving only gluten free vegan ice cubes. Then you pretend to be shocked to discover everyone hates you.
@@Intr0vertical yeah. Its just me and a few shit stirers that think that as opposed to a general consensus based on past events. Go and put your dummy back in and go back to bed.
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"this multi-million dollar adaptation wasn't made to appeal to you" is a sentiment almost every fan base seems to be experiencing these days.
Nah, it's meant to appeal to 'the general public', which is a nice way of saying 'it needs to be dumb so that more dumb people watch it so we can make more money'
except for percy jackson fans lol. finally some good fucking food
@@joshisasjoshdoes8760 riiiiiight hey tell me what color is annabeths hair supposed to be again?
@@exilestudios9546 my brother in christ i really couldnt give 2 shits about hair color as long as they capture the feel of the character and so far they have
This franchise has never been for the fans. The original two games from the 90s were turn based and focused on the story and rpg element. Back in 08 many of the fans left the franchise when FO became and action rpg with first person mechanics. Then Fo4 and 76 came out and were just mediocre and glitchy that further divided the fan base.
the mere fact that this show is set in LA killed so much of my hope. there is so much there for them to mess up
R.I.P Angels Bone yard.
LA has always been a shithole in fallout lore, not everywhere in NCR is a nice place to live, 2 and NV tell you that constantly.
They should have done a new area. Like he said
New Orleans, Florida, NYC, Canada, Alaska
@@Pigness7What? Where do you get that from? It's a core part of NCR territory and the headquarters of the Followers of the Apocalypse, an altruistic scientifically-literate group of scholars who run a full-fledged university. Even in Fallout 1 it's not really much more of a shithole than anywhere else in the game, and that's 130 years before this show is supposed to take place.
They’re gonna turn the boneyard and NCR into the next DC wasteland clown show
Can you imagine they pick L.A. as location and won't even mention the Gun Runners, the Crater (Cathedral post nuke), the Hub, Necropolis, Junktown or the Glow?
They might mention them in the show, don’t lose hope
first season of hopefully many. the first season will set everything up. following seasons can drill down into the canon.
What about Shady Sands? Either they set this show in Fallout 1 era or they retcon out the NCR entirely because a civilized region under the NCR wasn't exactly fit with Bethesda idea of post-apocalyptic world.
@@SteelLegion_Corporal i already lose it, because of the region having the bos IN NCR TERRITORY!
@@Brazilian101-b4r I am not happy about that as well
When shows like this are made they try to appeal to the widest audience possible but end up always appealing to absolutely no one, it's made for everyone but only in the most superficial of ways
No hint of the NCR in their territory already tells me it's not for fans.
To be fair this is only the first trailer. Seems a bit early to judge it don't you think? I'm not saying it's going to be amazing or anything, but we won't know of it'll be good or bad until we see another trailer or two.
No, not really. Just the one trailer is all we need to know they're ruining the lore of the franchise. You'd have to be a big fan of Fallout 4 and 76 to not think this is shit already.@@hermos3602
@@hermos3602no the ncr built up its land there isn't a bunch of decrepit buildings falling apart it doesn't look like Mega ton the ncr is damn near pre war
@@hermos3602 yeah, let's hope, because we still do not know enough.
To be fair, in the Fallout franchise two main things are very difficult to balance:
- Desolation/Society rebuilds
- Humor/Grittyness
Let's hope they at least get one of the two right
@@elvangulley3210I mean I sort of understand this sentiment, but logistically speaking there MUST still be swathes of California left in ruins.
The NCR has a population of a million in a state that IRL is populated by 40x as many people. There simply are not enough people to justify a complete restoration of every bit of destroyed prewar infrastructure.
Hell, even up into the 19th century, huge swathes of the city of Rome were still abandoned after 1400 years.
It is absolutely insane that there’s no sign of the NCR though, I won’t excuse that lmao
I was really hoping for Todd Howard to be the main character and just shoot lightning from his fingers.
POWER!!!
And fireballs from his arse
UNLIMITED POWER!!!@@theaccursedj.e.2723
- But Todd, how the hell are you shooting lases from you finger?
- I don't Know, it just works
It would just work...
I have zero expectations for this show, but the Fallout London mod will be released on the same month so I have something to look forward to
What game will London be on
@@thomassteele2118 fo4
@@thomassteele2118 F4
@@thomassteele2118Fallout 4
@@thomassteele2118 4
"It's not FOR you!"
-Every writer when they make a terrible movie or show
It's for the writers themselves.
Isn't that the exact same argument people make against others who want an easy mode in elden ring?
The Last Of Us they straight out said they didn't want any of the cast to know any of the history or source material of the game because they wanted it to feel "like a show" and not "like a game" as they believed that the game isn't a cinematic experience and wanted to make sure they were distinct from each other...
Yet it still worked out somehow I believe the cast carried most of that rather than anything but that was a hell of a gamble they took
@@freakofferdidn’t they still manage to make a mostly faithful adaptation?
@@sirlegolot2009For the most part they did but it's crazy to think that they would straight up discredit the source material like that though
They are going to do one of three things.
One: The NCR is simply in decline because the producers want the show to have frontier feeling.
Two: The NCR collapsed offscreen just because the producers want the show to have a frontier feeling.
Three: The show will give a very detailed reason(s) for why the NCR seems to be a non-entity in the western coast, just because the producers wanted the show to have a frontier feeling.
Also, I feel that the Brotherhood being on the rise again and being described as "patriotic extremist" is because the producers really wanted to have the brotherhood in a major role for the sake of brand recognition.
Tbh, BoS has the coolest looking gear so I get why they’d be a big part of the story. I don’t even mind if they do it well. I can handle changes to things if it makes sense and it respects the overall theme.
4.) Most characters on screen will be super gay and lame.
Ad Victoriam!
You forgot a fourth, more troubling option: The NCR isn't a huge presence in the show because the directors didn't do thier research and/or don't care about continuity.
That's what I'm worried about. :/
The NCR will also fall apart because the writets will think "millitary bad" while not doing the research that it was founded and ruled by a women which would make them think "women good ncr good"
My biggest issue with it is that until now, Bethesda has kept their games away from the pacific coast out of respect for the story of the original games. But now not only are they breaking that rule, theyre doing it with a tv show that looks like it gives zero fucks about that story by radically changing canon that’s been established since fallout 2. Just completely rewriting the lore and core ideas of the original games and creators and replacing it with their watered down morally bland version of the fallout universe
I'll wait till release or more trailers till I go one way or the other. I mean the best ending in NV says that the NCR and the Brotherhood work together and the Brotherhood become like cops taking people tech away on patrols. The trailers are in line with the games so far. We just didn't see any NCR in the trailer... because the Brotherhood power armor is more recognizable to the audience.
Also It's really weird that everyone just forgets tactics was a thing and was purely BOS centric about them going to the east coast with airships. The lore was dead long before Bethesda. Ghouls and the Brotherhood have been inconsistent since Fallout 2 and Tactics.
@@AllyMonstersGet off the copium, man. We are not gonna see the NCR.
Or if we do, they'll be useless and weak. Merely a shadow of what they are truly supposed to be in-lore.
Bethesda is wiping away the old lore and making way for their new one. This much should be clear from the rundown state of the west coast that the trailers give us glimpses of.
The show takes place 55 years after Fallout 2, and everything looks like the bombs dropped a few decades ago. They are not bringing the NCR in on this. At least not as a properly organized, functioning faction.
Your biggest issue is now your second biggest issue. Why? Because your actual biggest issue is who is making it. It's an Uber feminist making it at a uber feminist network, both of whom have a track record of absolute failure with a genre productions. Season 2 through whatever of Westworld, rings of power Plus privilege, The wheel of Time.
That should send shakes down your spine.
@@theminister1154 Lol, you crazy. Just like anything they make, it's going to be both bad and good. Like, they make The Boys and all it's spin offs as well as the Critical Role shows and Invincible with their upcoming their spinoffs too.
The only one of those shows I like is invincible@@AllyMonsters. And that's in spite of some issues with wokeness. You may be a go along to get along with that creepy religion but I am not.
Ngl it would be cool if they explain why the ghoul protagonist looks so good by having him have a character flaw like vanity. You can’t be the heroic ghoul cowboy if you look like Harold afterall,at least from the POV of the character. It would contrast well with some of Raul’s endings too.
Like imagine finding out the teeth where scavenged off dead raiders and implanted in,or that they are constantly using dubious chemicals like embalming fluid to keep their face from completely rotting away.
Everyone seems to always push ghouls as zombies but they aren't zombies. If they were truly going for something like zombies they shouldn't have said it was caused by the radiation. Radiation sickness will burn you, cause you limbs and digits to fall off, but it is more burn damage than rotting flesh. They use radiation to sterilize our food and we aren't walking around like the cast of a George Romero movie.
This would be a clever and gross way to highlight the absurdity and silliness we often see in Fallout games, I like it. 👍
Interesting concept but I love it. I really hope that there is an actual reason for it like that. I mean, the (I’m guessing) flashback where we see Walton as a regular man may allude to that, and I hope it does. Who the fuck knows though, Bethesda themselves had something to do with it so I’d wager the story will be shallow and boring, like most of their modern games.
@@purplehaze5607 Yeah. When the trailers showed the NCR as basically nonexistent and other production shots show off towns that look like they are out of Fallout 3&4 instead of 1,2,&NV it does not fill me with hope. Its likely going to be yet another bethesda project that jerks of the Brotherhood of Steel and destoys the legacy of the original developers along with any hope of another western fallout thats good.
Especially since that area actually has some good story elements that could be explored from a POV of some random vault walk the wasteland fuck,like the Shi,Vault City,and New Reno. Writing team for the show probably didn’t even look at the original games.
That would be sufficient for me
After Fallout 76, Todd no longer gets to tell me what is and isn't canon lmao
He's definitely jumped the shark. Hasn't made a good game since 2015 and hasn't made a great game in 14 years.
@@ElongatedMusketGun Someone not sharing your opinion is crying, next it's going to be hate, then it's going to be violence and then you're going to scream WW2 names at us. It's old, tired and full of toxic female energy. Go spend some more time with your single mom little man.
@@Shoelessjoe78skyrim and fallout 4 are not "good games".
@@DeezNuggzfallout 4 I’ll give you that, but Skyrim, what pills you popping? 😂😂
@@anun-re skyrim doesn't even have real dragons, it hasn't aged well at all with its typical bethesda jank and shite story/quests.
I ain’t expecting anything exceptional.
If it doesn't have the NCR as a major faction and/or replaces them with the BOS I'll be pissed. I don't want another Fallout 3 or 4 set on the west coast, the west coast has always been og Fallout and replacing it with Bethesda retcons would be beyond depressing. The only cool thing to me was the ghoul and that was only because it reminded me of the western style of New Vegas.
To be honest they have a BoS problem
@@JulianSkrz Mr.House was right 😔
@@Cotac_RasticOne of the main reasons why I side with House is because the Brotherhood is legitimately irredeemable and evil within the lore of the series and New Vegas in particular if the fate of Christine if you don’t euthanize her is anything to go by in Dead Money. Litteraly sentencing someone to suffer eternally just to prevent people from getting technology they could learn to use responsibly.
You do realize the BoS originated from the West Coast, right?
@@hermos3602They did but they never became the heroes of the first games and were always more of a significant but minor faction in the game. In Fallout 2 they are basically wiped out by the Enclave (in San Fransisco/game map) and have little to no activity in the game at all.
There was already a Fallout show and it was Fallout: Nuka Break. Here on UA-cam.
Yeah and it was really good for being done on a shoestring budget. The difference is The Wayside creators team were dedicated fans. Todd Howard is not a Fallout Fan his statements not withstanding. He is a big Fan of Todd and of Money.
Really?
@@Basterdio123 Yep and they even followed the Hollywoke formula of making sure the strong female gets the 'kill shot'.
@@jcg9998yes, having women in a show is woke. Only men should be heroes. Of course.
@@jcg9998 Remember everyone; Alien and Aliens are both woke trash because Ellen Ripley gets the 'kill shot'.
Scream is double woke, as Sidney takes out BOTH killers. Many other Scream films are woke for the same reason.
And Mike Flannegan, what a hack! Gave us 'Hush'. Woke garbage because the female gets the 'kill shot'.
10 Cloverfield Lane
You're Next
Ready Or Not
Death Proof
Evil Dead (2013)
And so, so many others....
I mean, damn, I guess that makes the Horror genre the "wokest" genre there is? Due to the Final Girl trope?
Anywah, wahmen, am I right? I think we should just go back to the good old days when they weren't even allowed to act on stage and men to play women roles.
Remember they used AI to make their poster. This show isn’t going to be a work of love. It’s a product, and should be treated as such.
Well said
And not a very good product either.
This will be a corporate story, not one born from a labor of love and passion. It’s essentially just one big elaborate advertisement for the games/other fallout media and the future of Bethesda/MS.
What a horrendous use of ai at the cost of so much goodwill and credibility. You have all these great and expensive looking sets and effects, but cheap out on a poster. How much of the budget would a decent poster have taken up? Not even a quarter of a percent?
I don't see how a poster matters at all lol you are pulling hairs for zero reason 😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Another thing is the fact that in fnv its stated that the brotherhood might as well be extinct but somehow 14 yrs after they basically replaced the ncr as the super power in the region and amassed more firepower than the ncr did
Yup, that’s my main issue with the shows premise. It’s probably too early to jump to any conclusions, but the fact that there are so many Vertibirds flying around LA makes it seem like the BoS was the canon ending in FNV, which would be a horrible choice imo.
If anything, perhaps they’ll show (or at least reference) some kind of treaty between the BoS and the NCR. Otherwise, the sizable number of BoS members in the show will be super confusing
@modestomouso1234 yeah I mean peace between the ncr and brotherhood is a possible cannon ending but ots still weird we don't see any evidence that the ncr exists
The BoS wasn't basically extinct in NV. You only deal with an exploratory detachment living in a state of perpetual siege essentially. The BoS back in California is still a thing, it's just in a real rough spot due to the breakdown of relations with the NCR and the NCR-Brotherhood War. Bethesda bastardizes and props up the BoS a shit ton, but if you think Obsidian had any interest in writing the BoS completely off, you are sorely mistaken.
The only explanation I can see is that somehow based on the ending of New Vegas the NCR started a steep decline in resources and fell apart because they over expanded. And that the Brotherhood from the East Coast for whatever reason decided that they need to head to the West in mass force. But even then we'd still see remnants of NCR and the brotherhood has absolutely no explanation because they were literally driven out of the west and have no reason to head west from the east to fight a faction that is much stronger than them.
Also the show is portraying the Brotherhood as good guys when they are debatable at best and literally murderers at worse.
Im not going to try and assume a shit load from a trailer.. But reading these comments after watching the trailer and learning its Shady Sands/ Boneyard territory they are in. Then the obvious conclusion is that BoS won the war with NCR ( some how??) Or they signed a peace treaty together?? What we do know for sure now its set after Fo4 timeline. So they are literally creating new lore for the show. A peace treaty tween BoS and NCR sounds more credible than BoS winning. But lets wait til the first couple of episodes air. To see how and when it's explained at least.
They're going to intentionally disrespect it.
LOL, as if anyone cares enough
Another great IP sacrificed on the altar of woke, like; Lord of the Rings, Wheel of Time, Star Wars, Star Trek, Halo, Witcher, Warhammer, Dr who, Marvel, DC, MCU, DCU, and so many other greats!
@@fightforaglobalfirstamendm5617 Lol, cry more, rightfuck. Your tears are delightful.
@@fightforaglobalfirstamendm5617fortunately the Witcher series wasn’t watched by anyone and cdpr still has the rights to make other games, looking forward for the Witcher one remake
@@fightforaglobalfirstamendm5617fallout has been “woke” since 1997, lol. The fact that you didn’t notice proves your media illiteracy.
The series and the IP as a whole are doomed when it comes to respecting the earlier games' lore. We have long passed the point of no return.
Yeah, that's exactly why I'm done with the franchise after this comes out. If it wasn't canon it would've been easy to ignore but instead its going to ruin the lore and replace it with Bethesda's BoS and super mutant obsessed nonsense.
True, bethesda themselves defecated hard on it with 76, doubt Amazon would treat it any better.
@WolfLykaios
An half of my brain thinks this.
But... It's the one half that ruin my enjoyment of 3d Fallout games.
I still struggle to not let this part of my brain to overcome the other one and I try to make them go along.
Otherwise I will be left with no hope and this will eventually make me stop playing Fallout forever (please no, Fallout is my favorite franchise ever).
@@ivancar555 contrary to popular belief 76 litterally fixed more lore issues than it introduced
@@supahgaming8249 Really? As far as I'm aware, all it did was have the power armor properly scaled to the lore (in comparison to each other).
Honestly I'm not expecting much. If it turns out to be like the Halo series it's going to suck. If it respects the fan base that supported the franchise then it will be good. Appealing to a broader audience dilutes the the IP. Normies aren't the ones who will stay with the franchise and continue to support it.
Normies? You're starting to sound like a Super Mutant from the Master's army. 😂
@@hermos3602 I see what you mean lmao
@@hermos3602 JOIN THE UNITY
I heard that it's going to retcon New Vegas. (Todd Howard has control over the show)
@@ToweringPepsiMan I never liked new Vegas so I don't really care if that's true
I never heard anyone dumping on RoP say, “At least it’s not cannon”. Nobody cares. It’s still modern studios crapping on beloved IP.
Sorry, I’m a moron; what does RoP stand for?
Rings of Power
@@AP-lh1bq
Gotcha- thanks!
The ghoul part is not that much of a problem to me, as ghoulification is not a straightforward line. It is certainly possible that a ghoul could have a "luck" at not looking to decomposed, but that would likely mean that the process is not as strong, perhaps less radiation or some sht, meaning they may not be as tollerant to radiation as other ghouls? There is plenty of room to create several specific cases that deviates from the "undead" type. My concern is the NCR, the main faction in the region, and the portayal of the cult that is the BOS as "good", but because we have limited access to the real sht of the story my main concern is what you said; the world in the heart of NCR land. How? Its to big to just die, to many people would try to fix it. A country like America does not disappear in a few decades, even if the state collapses. The same applies here.
I don’t mind the Ghouls either, especially if one’s going to be a main character I want him to be dejected expressive. Some variety ranging from the cowboy to F3/NV to F1/F2 would be cool to see as the show goes on, as radiation mutations are usually super unpredictable.
The feral Ghouls better look gnarly as shit though. If they go light on the prosthetics and CGI with them it’s going to look really dumb.
Bethesda has always had a soft spot for BoS, and Interplay/ Obsidian had a soft spot for Ncr. So i think that Bethesda wants to erase Ncr and replace them with Brotherhood, with another Ncr- Brotherhood war.
I felt we were always gonna have a game in the (distant) future where the dominant factions of the west and east coasts meet and we of course have to decide the fate of the wasteland similar to new Vegas or fallout 4.
Maybe there is a new war between the BoS and the NCR?
It would make Sense For a ghoul to Look terrible in that climate, living that Lifestyle tho. Ive Seen worse looking people than that...
The absence of the NCR, the tyranny placeholder the brotherhood seems to be playing, and a whole lot of other changes make it easy to see this will be for casual viewers and newcomers. Bethesda referenced edge runners success when asked about their own upcoming show. But edgerunners was so loyal to the game, that even the alleyways they walked down were in game. 😊
I wish Fallout got a cool Studio Trigger Anime and not just a bloated over funded Amazon mess.
>tyranny placeholder the brotherhood seems to be playing
It really is an archetype. Sometimes if feels like about half of modern shows and b-movies are made by the same people who write the same plot with the same archetypes they fill in by what they feel is the closest analogue from a poached ancient IP, then shoot it in the same style with the same "gritty" color filter.
As a BOS fan, i say Boo Hoo Hoo to the NCR.
I'm sure Commander Trump of the brotherhood of steel will be a very sympathetic character! I see no way this isn't true.
@@theminister1154 identity politics is for twits who don’t have an inner monologue, goes for either side of the fence
“Acclaimed video game director” Todd Howard. I’m curious what his involvement was with the show. Considering how bad the story in Starfield is, which was his baby, I’m not sure Todd is really a “writer guy”. And no, Todd, I will NOT buy Skyrim again!
Awww, but you'll miss out on the god rays. The GOD RAYS!
But no, seriously, I'd rather they "update" the game by releasing it as "buying the game again" rather than updating the game regardless of if we want it or not. I'm sick of all my mods breaking because the main file got updated pointless bs I never asked for and don't even use.
@@Princess_Celestia_ Todd is definitely re-re-releasing the game for every new console. Kinda reminds me of the "Game of the Year Edition" concept. Packaging a patched edition with all the DLC and some improvements? And it should cost like $8-$12, not almost full price. And I agree with you on not updating. But are you talking about releasing updates to Skyrim (for PC, for example) until it reaches version 1.9. Then, release a shiny new v2.0 Skyrim for $8, then update that one until v2.9, then release v3.0. It funds continuing development and update costs while still providing value to anyone who wants to update/buy the new versions. And people who just want to stay with v1.9 or whatever can do that. If that's what you're saying I think that's an interesting idea- but I could have totally misinterpreted it.
My biggest gripe is that, these hypothetical executives, don't think it's more profitable to make something that caters BOTH old fans and potential new ones, by respecting the source material and the spirit of the IP instead of bogging it down to the lowest common denominator that they think it will appeal to the masses.
The Joker 2018 comes to mind. No one expected it to be good, but because the central story of it is so full of spirit that people went to the cinema MULTIPLE times to watch it made it such a success.
Because the sociopath nepo babies that run these companies would rather a 1/6 diceroll at 100% profitability than a 5/6 diceroll at 80% profitability.
Every single one of them looks at Marvel or Fortnite and jealously seethes "that should be MINE."
Yeah, this is something I always keep mentioning whenever I criticize a shitty adaptation, and my prime exemple is Netflix's The Witcher -- that show could've easily been infinitely better in every respect and appealed to both hardcore fans of the books and normies that couldn't care less they existed, but the team behind it decided to make it into a very twisted and diluted version of what the books present, and that's only when they're not cramming a bunch of new underwhelming shit that just messes what was an already shitty representation even more. What we're left with is a very lackluster generic dark fantasy that can barely be called "The Witcher", when they could've just followed the books with very minor changes to only accommodate for the audiovisual format and most likely pleased both new viewers, who would appreciate the actually coherent and well-crafted story and world, and the fanbase, which expected to see the words on the pages come to life beyond their imagination... What a disgrace we got. It's also a pity most of the criticism it got focused on the casting, which was indeed terrible, but is surprisingly far from the worst thing in that show and thus shifted attention from the more significant flaws...
But yeah, the executives just handed their purchased rights to a TV adaptation of an IP with extreme potential to a team of very incompetent people that apparently didn't even like the source material and just wanted to make their own bullshit. You'd think any person investing money on something would care about how well it's being applied, but I just see more and more examples that it isn't necessarily the case... Maybe the executives were just fooled, 'cause I sure was when Lauren Schmidt went on Twitter before the show released to lie about how she would respect to source material. Crazy how some people have no shame about such behavior...
If it isn't targeted towards the massive fanbase and it betrays the lore more than Bethesda has at times, then it will see the kind of performance Rings of Power/Wheel of Time has. Expect shit, hope for the best.
Bethesda fans will probably like it.
@@ethan6882no we won’t they already messed with the established lore about ncr
@@sukak196he’s talking about Bethesda vs obsidian
@@sukak196 So has Bethesda, and fans of Fallout 3/4/76 don't seem to care...
please explain
I would be genuinely surprised if the writers bothered to learn anything about Fallout lore at all before making this show, let alone if they knew who the NCR were. My expectations are very low.
I don't know if they'd go to the extreme of erasing NCR entirely. I think the reason the Brotherhood is featured so heavily in the trailer is because they are by far the most iconic (and marketable) faction. The trailer to me just looks like all of the generic things you think of when you think Fallout. Vaults, power armor, robots.
But if the Brotherhood has a significant presence now, it suggests to me one of three things.
1. NCR has faced a steep decline. A defeat at Hoover Dam would probably destroy their economy and people's faith in the nation overall. Members of their military start to become deserters and the military shrinks, and the Brotherhood takes advantage of that to reclaim Los Angeles. They are starting to win the war because the bear is greatly weakened and demoralized.
2. The NCR has already collapsed and been dissolved, and now with no remaining opposition in the West, the Brotherhood is able reassert their dominance.
3. Maybe the NCR and Brotherhood and finally put an end to their war and NCR allowed the Brotherhood to setup a base in Los Angeles. This would probably the safest option if they want to keep both factions intact, but probably not as interesting.
With all of that said, I don't expect this show to be good. It's probably just going to be another generic big budget show. I suppose if the backlash is big enough, they can say it's non-canon.
The NCR exists we've seen them in production photos, just because they didnt show them in the first trailer doesn't mean shit. They very much could be in an economic collapse which NV hinted at possibly happening.
dont write excuses for bad writing and disrespect to the lore of fallout, its a complete waste of your time
The show will not be canon
@@Jules-69lolthey’ve already said it is
To me there's just zero chance they're going to introduce any new lore to follow up New Vegas that isn't downright insulting.
“The fallout to show probably isn’t made for you”
Well, I can tell, they set the series after the formation of the NCR, in an area the NCR controls, and there’s no mention of the NCR at all. If it was made for fallout fans, they’d actually try to stick to the lore.
UA-cam fucked up and posted my comment twice. Perfect website, no issues.
Yeah but hearing the words “New California Republic” give Todd PTSD of when Obsidian clapped their cheeks together and shat out a game that made Todd look like a joke. Of course there won’t be NCR.
Or he’ll probably turn them into a much lesser faction and prop up the Brotherhood in their place. And I also heard they’re going to retcon parts of New Vegas, which gives them a ton of leeway as far as finding excuses to weaken the NCR.
@@ryatt9365which is so fucking dumb because you could just say the NCR got weakened after the Wars with the Legion it fits cannon and wouldn't piss people off as it was a likely outcome to the ending of New Vegas but ofc they'll find some obscure shit to fuck with
@@jeambeam3173 Yeah, have it be that House or Courier won Hoover Dam, both weaken the NCR heavily. If you want NCR to have won, just say the chaos starting in Arizona and the rest of the area around Vegas is keeping them tied up there so they can protect their new territory.
The NCR exists we've seen them in production photos, just because they didnt show them in the first trailer doesn't mean shit. They very much could be in an economic collapse WHICH WAS HINTED AT MAYBE HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE IN NEW VEGAS
There could be a new war between the now united BoS and the NCR?
My main problem is the date. I mean they are setting it almost 100 years after the New California Republic was founded. I mean according to the lore even before this show Los Angeles is the largest city in the Republic and possibly the world it has a University again, and is home of the mint and national reserve. Somehow the trailer does not seem to show any of that.
From the trailer looks like they're going for a Futurama-like mood.
I really hope it doesn't come out awful, my Fallout heart is already broken to tiny pieces
F 😢
I’m stuck in the New Vegas era for a good reason
Just canonize the Divide ending where the NCR and Legion both get nuked, that'd take balls lol.
Only the supply lines of the NCR and Legion are nuked bro
"The Couriers finally, really did it. They blew up the lands east and west of the Mojave, damning them all to hell. The act was discovered 200 years later, as other Couriers explored the Mojave wastes. There, they saw NCR relics, reminders of their once proud history."
Those are some supply lines lol. @@basedvorenus7497
Alternatively, without Wild Wasteland.
"The Divide erupted in fire, violent, red as the last message of the two Couriers arced into the sky... The missiles rained like spears down on the land, burning flags and communities alike... destroying all they struck. The history of the West was erased for the second time, thorough and complete... and America slept once more"@@basedvorenus7497
@@basedvorenus7497 supply lines can make or break a nation so uh, no shit?
I’m pretty sure this show will probably be not canon and be considered its own separate universe.
As soon as I saw a cyclops, I knew I was done.
I've been saying it for years but this franchise is just dead, man.
Only thing worth while is fan projects and replaying older games.
It's a joke that's been gentrified by corporate piggies trying to pander to 'normies' by dumbing down everything with Bethesda garble.
The sad fact of being a Fallout fan is that there are more bad content in the series than there is good. And that the last good game was released 13 years ago.
Just because you don't like the current state of Fallout, that doesn't mean it's "dead". Plenty of people enjoy the current stuff. If no one did, Fallout 76 would've been shut down years ago and it actually was close to it.
@@gathenhielm9977You can dislike the current Fallout games. It's fine, but don't act like no one likes it. New Vegas might be the last "good" Fallout game to you, but there's plenty of people who enjoy Fallout 4 and 76. You don't have to like those games, but don't act like nobody likes them.
@@hermos3602 Appeals to popularity are completely worthless in a discussion about quality.
Really? You don't want to watch a Brotherhood of Steel show set in a 50s apocalypse that looks nothing like the Fallout that you actually find engaging and interesting? I'm sure there'll be plenty Marvel-esque cringe humour too, along with "remember this?" "remember this?" fan baiting.
"The Fallout fans will watch it no matter what"
Speak for yourself lmao
Sadly I will pull a Mike from RLM. No matter how bad it is, I as a FO fan must watch it...and dread every moment.
In the end, fans like you are just showing how huge your ego is. Why the attitude is shutting down before even actually knowing how the show is going to be? If its good, great. If its bad, kind of not surprising. Such a weird mentality to be a negative nancy
@@takewhataway Why ?
Man I love Jack Sparrowing. I will Jack Sparrow this so hard if I decide to watch it
95% of the fans will still watch it to see if it's good. I guarantee you.
The dirty (non) secret is that Todd Howard doesn't consider New Vegas canon because it's critically more acclaimed than his own games.
Which is unfortunate, but it does make New Vegas non-canon material. Same way it's unfortunate that Fallout 76 is considered canon material. It sucks but there's nothing we can do to combat the IP holder beyond headcanon.
Bethesdas been giving it a Lot of attention recently with Tons of new merch and also stuff you can buy in 76 like the ncr veteran ranger armor variants and such
3 and 4 reviewed higher than NV, and sold more lol
@@georgie9303 new vegas had only slightly more than a year development time and still managed an 83 on metacritic despite being half broken at launch due to bethesdas refusal to allow them to delay its release to fix it
The only reason new vegas didnt score higher, despite its better gameplay, better story, better rpg elements, better worldbuilding, better map, better dlcs, better Everything, was due to bethesda shooting obsidian in the leg so they didnt have to worry about its release effecting sales of skyrim.
To put in perspective, development of 4 began as soon as fallout 3s last dlc Released. It was developed from 2009 to 2015
Obsidian had from 2009 to 2010 to make new vegas.
@@ConnorNotyerbidness Obsidian was the one who chose not to delay, Bethesda offered them an extension but they didn’t want to take it. This is according to Chris Avellone, who worked on NV as a level designer and for the DLC’s.
You’re wrong, just cause you’re a NV fanboy doesn’t mean you should spout lied 😂🤷🏻♂️
Rings of power, enough said.
Based
It's really convenient when people completely forget shows like Invincible and The Boys exist when they say there's nothing good on Amazon.
@@hermos3602 The man in the high castle wasn't that bad aswell, just got a really rushed ending.
@@hermos3602 Adapting fairly niche comics is one thing. Adapting some of the biggest IPs in the world with millions of devoted fans is another. And from seeing Rings of Power, it's evident they don't really put much care or thought into it.
@@hermos3602 The boys is also shit compared to the comics and i haven't seen invicible.
Bethesda seems intent on erasing FO1, FO2 and FONV lore.
The Ghoul looks like a Marked man from the divide.
They are not intent on it. They have done it; but yes they hate FO1, FO2, FNV. To be fair Interplay/Blackisle did not respect their own franchise. Canon was broken with FO2. Ditching Van Buren for that Atrocious X-Box game and then going belly up and selling all the rights to Bethesda in the hopes of doing some online atrocity that never materialized.
@iansmith5052 No Doubt. The age old problem. Actually Pride is the original sin.
Turns out fans had nothing to worry about whatsoever. The show is surprisingly well done.
No it wasn't
@@DoomUvb actually it was. Fun fact.
Sorry you suck.
Cool that you enjoyed it but I wouldn’t go out and say it’s surprisingly well done.
Fan or not of the lore, some of the dialogue is incredibly corny and quipy. Maximus is the worst character I have ever seen in any Fallout media.
Bethesda could also have decided to use the show and the setting as an opportunity to declare the events of New Vegas non-canon, especially given how much distaste the Bethesda team has for it
I don't think anyone would make a multi-million dollar TV show to spite a different studio but it's possible that it's one of a number of secondary reasons for the setting being the way it is
Bethesda would be blasting their legs off with a shotgun if they declared New Vegas non-canon
And that would also alienate the players, since F:NV is an amzing story, not only a game, but a beatutiful story that not F3, nor F4, even went closely
@@silverams480 the Fallout New Vegas fans are a large part of the fanbase, but the show will bring in more fans, as will new Bethesda installments. They don't need the hardcore New Vegas fans
@@polishmapper5968 You are hilarious!
This is true, the story for this show was made by someone’s dad watching a Fallout 4 trailer and asking “Hey, what if Fallout was set in the West Coast!”
Then he should have played the first two games set in California I guess.
What if fallout was set in the original setting?
@@zueicidesin2573im not sure why they keep bringing up the west coast as if thats not the original setting?
@@southamericunt6354 seems as if people are just fallout casuals.
@@southamericunt6354it's because it it's sarcasm in order to show how stupid/disconnected the show designers are (sorry for bad english)
If they retcon the NCR into nothing I will be pissed
It's like that friend you were so close to in school. But then they became popular on the next grade and they no longer hangout with you
Couldn't agree more.
Maybe you could’ve gotten popular to if you didn’t spend 6 hours a day watching fallout lore videos
@@thedemonhater7748 very true
@@thedemonhater7748 Does making unnecessarily snarky comments on youtube make you popular much?
The Brotherhood of steel walking out in a line together gave me an odd amount of second hand embarrassment.
yeah, and why does it look so cheap
Yeah the ghoul cowboy did the same to me. I told my dad all about fallout 4 and he was very into the story. I got him hype for this series then the trailer dropped. I stopped talking about fallout to him lol. I'm still optimistic but I've been through this with the dark tower and avatar the last Airbender. This always happens
yeah this show is gonna flop they will try to be hip and funny instead of dark and gloomy like fallout should be@@Fran-ey4ft
Just wait until they make sure that the Brotherhood is led by Elder Feminist... Either that or they will be made to be evil if it's a white dude in charge.
I have a simple idea to "fix" the ghoul. Once he's liked by the audience and (presumably) the other characters, have him explain the process of ghoulification, while doing so, have him take his teeth out, they're fake. His gums rotted away and he teeth fell off, he found the dentures in an old house he was looting, and they fit well enough thankfully. For this one shot sink in his cheeks, have the gums be all black, and play with the lighting to amplify the effect, show how nasty his body really is.
The rest of the time have him be very careful about his appearance, keep his clothes as clean as possible, always wipe away blood from his face, maybe even make sure that nothing is hanging around in his nose hole, or have some semblance of a skincare routine he tries to stick to, like show that he cares deeply about that stuff. (Even small things like stepping around a puddle while everyone else just go through) Eventually have them meet another ghoul that has given up on looking good, and show them as they were in Fallout 3, green bits and all, make it clear that he is an outlier and that the rest of them are hard to look at.
Hell if there was ever a place that he called home after the bombs, have some attempts at nose prosthetics in the background laying in front of a broken mirror, suggesting he broke the thing out of frustration when he couldn't make it work and hasn't touched the whole think since.
Have him been genuinely annoyed when someone hands him an old pair of gag glasses with the big nose in an attempt to lighten the mood, because that's actually a very real sore spot for him
At some point also have him acknowledge that he did get lucky somewhat, and that his skin could look a hell of a lot worse. But nothing to on the nose (pun very much intended), just throw away lines or background behavior that only make sense after the fact once all the context is gathered, and nasty ghouls have been met.
Also the idea of a two centuries old violent murderous disfigured cowboy that is more obsessed with his appearance than a high schooler is funny to me, and I don't think we're really had this kind of ghoul in canon yet (Hancock did care somewhat but not to that extent I think)
(I just wrote a new character for my Fallout TTRPG by accident, I'm not mad at it)
Great idea seems like you should be a writer on this show. Hope they do even 10 percent of what you laid out and this show could be decent. As a long time Fallout fan, only haven't played 4 yet and 76 which I won't play, I think people like us will be very disappointed. But I will give it a chance.
I'm an old guy, that has playing Fallout games since the 90's,
I just love the games and the truth is that I just the whole concept, since I was a boy.
I had the opportunity to visit one with my Dad, back in the 60's, and I guess it made quite an impression on me.
If you have a problem, with "Fallout 5" now being cannon, wait till it gets released, and its just oozing with "The Message".
It’d probably be too deep for their writers to handle. They should write something we’ve never heard of before like your grandfather leaving the vault and he turns out to be a bad guy 💀 😱 SCARY 😦
Ohhh boy, I can't wait for fallout: sweet baby inc edition
Y'all heard of West World?
Dear god, of all things I genuinely hope it isn’t ruined by “the message”. There are so many amazing and relevant themes you can cover in fallout without resorting to wokeness!
@chandllerburse737 except none of that was woke. Also, we can’t judge whether or not it WOULD be seen as woke because it came out when wokeness wasn’t a thing or wasn’t widespread yet.
Your description of the ghouls made me think it would have been hilarious if your character had an option to vomit the first time you meet a ghoul.
They made the white guy a ghoul from the past and the black dude the brotherhood of steel fighting for the future. The woman is the strong independent as the main character. That's all I can say about what this series show is all about
Alright... and? The show could still end up being good. I'm much more concerned about the points raised in the video, especially the missing NCR part.
@@bananashakeofmordor She's going to find her way having a love relationship with the black dude while fighting against injustice from white masculinity throughout the wasteland. There, I just told you the general plot of this tv show.
When I play Fallout, my character is always female because I'm female. I don't see how that is an issue. In the game ghouls don't have a race, really. They're just radiated people. The Brotherhood of Steel is again just people, so I don't understand why anyone who has enjoyed the Fallout series would be mad at the main guy representing this faction is a black actor. I'm really hoping that this show is great, because I really enjoyed the games!
@@CrystalCorbett-Lyngeomost of the games started as a male protagonist, so I was like wtf when I saw a woman playing a character walking the wasteland. It’s not realistic to when you consider someone walking the wasteland. She’d survive 15 mins on her own
I just _subverted_ _Amazon's_ _expectations_ by cancelling my Prime membership over their upcoming inclusion of commercials during Prime video streaming.
So, its not a case that the Fallout TV show is made for me. I am not made for Amazon.
This will be the starfield of tv shows
Rushed and forgotten about quickly? Yeah hopefully if it ends up bad. There's a certain point when we as fans can just declare things as "non canon" and write our own better fiction.
The show got me and my brother playing fallout again, got my dad interested in the franchise and even my mom watched the show, so it definitely seems like it was written both for fans and causal viewers alike.
Do it in Australia I want to see a mutant Kangaroo.
someone should make a creature mod for this !!!
probably in fnv but maybe fo4 too
Bonus points if the mutated Kangeroo loitering inside a water source daring you to come in.
dropbears would be the apex predator
@@adventurouseddie9369 You could do an aquatic variant they float up towards you in open water 🙃
As much as I'd like to wait with bated breath and hope against hope that its going to be good, the mere fact that there appears to be zero mention of the NCR already seems to me highly worrying. You mean to tell me that if this series, set in the heart of the Republic in a timeframe still wholly within in-game children's memories, had NCR present they *wouldn't* put it in the trailer? Frankly, if it's not in the trailer it's not in the show, especially in our day and age where any proficient video editor is experienced in ringing out any and all "hype bait" from the source material and throwing it together an incrediby spoiler filled trailer...
I mean there are pictures and i assume theyll be in the second trailer
Still weird
The whole point of NV is to say the NCR are doomed unless they work with the BOS and all the other factions in the Mojave that can work with the NCR. The Legion, Mr. House, and the NCR all fail unless they get their best endings.
I mean the best ending in NV says that the NCR and the Brotherhood work together and the Brotherhood become like cops taking people tech away on patrols. The trailers are in line with the games so far. We just didn't see any NCR in the trailer... because the Brotherhood power armor is more recognizable to the audience. We've seen the NCR in leaked images though.
Also It's really weird that everyone just forgets tactics was a thing and was purely BOS centric about them going to the east coast with airships. Ghouls and the BOS were ruined lore wise since Fallout 2.
@@AllyMonsters Yeah, I saw another comment like this, and it makes sense. The kind of simple garb of the NCR wouldn’t be as eye catching as the BOS’s power armor and vertibirds.
For context to the comment above, the ending slide in question is:
"The Brotherhood and the NCR in the Mojave Wasteland declared an official truce, despite continued hostilities between the two in the west. As per their agreement, the NCR handed over all suits of salvaged power armor and in return the Brotherhood helped patrol Interstate 15 and Highway 95."
which triggers if Brotherhood and NCR broker peace, and NCR wins at the Battle of Hoover Dam.
'I understand why they made certain choices and I hope it's good, but I suspect it's not made with me in mind'
I'd hardly consider that the "wingings of an adult man child"
I think you articulated clear and valid reasons for concern without overstepping into "If it's not for the fan base, then it shouldn't exist" territory
A note about NCR and Boneyard.
Boneyard in 2 and Vegas is still depicted as a rough area to live and grow up in.
Vegas also established that outside what are the core NCR cities, ranchers, small towns and traders rely heavily on the army to protect them from raider tribes, which is why the Mojave force was so under equipped and stretched thin. It's also revealed the NCR is facing a potential food shortage in the Vault 22 questline with a time line of roughly a decade of sustainable food left.
It's very possible that the NCR has suffered a period of decline following the destruction of its gold reserves and potentially failed Vegas campaign.
Honestly, I think you're onto something. Sprinkle in mentions of the Mariposa Military base, the Enclave's excavations of it, the destruction of the Enclave's oil rig, and something about New Vegas going independent "After some upstart courier of all people deposed Mr. House, and convinced both General Oliver and the Legions to leave them alone." Basically, leave enough information for we who played the games to figure out which way things shook out.
Exactly, any number of things could've happened, but people look at one trailer and get mad for no reason
@@MrMadre Yeah. But it's *Amazon*. And *Bethesda*. Coherent narratives and adherence to a roughly consistent canon is not part of their core competencies. The last Fallout game was Fallout 76.
They could have a really good justification for everything that's going on. But no one expects them to, and most people aren't willing to write some random, unfounded story to explain it for them.
@@AusSP Fallout 76 has been sound in regards to lore. Not braking anything I can think of and fixing lore issues from previous games (e.g Power armor training and T-60) and Amazon has made some great shows. It depends on the writers of the show, not always the company they come from.
You're correct. I'd also like to mention that water is becoming more scarce as well within the Core Region, because the NCR keeps pumping out lakes and aquifers. Chief Hanlon of the NCR Rangers talks about this at Camp Golf. NCR needs the Colorado not just for the Dam, and its electricity but as a water source too.
That Director of OSI mentions within a few years a famine will occur, he specifically mentions within a decade or two for it to occur. The show takes place 15ish years after New Vegas, which coincides perfectly between what that OSI Director said.
saw the trailer in the cyclops guy I was just like nope.
Fallout in a Disney’s imagination
Yeah like...why is someone in a vault mutated? What?
@@Tijuanabill that's pretty common in vaults post bomb lol, and this is set the furthest down the fallout timeline where 90% of vaults are full of mutants and half of those are because they were experimenting on the dwellers
Small correction on Rings of Power: it was not popular.
38% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes.
7/10 on IMDb (owned by Amazon). That’s after 1000s of negative reviews being deleted,
Amazon blocking negative reviews for days (and often permanently) and threatening to ban people from submitting reviews on their website.
Amazon’s “viewing numbers” are based on the number of people who “sampled” the show (in Amazon’s own words). What’s a sample?
63% people gave up on ROP and never finished it.
With the show itself costing hundreds of millions of dollars, that’s a flop.
Sorry for the overly long comment, but I felt obligated to post some numbers to counteract the marketing spin Prime is pushing on people.
That said, love your vids, and learned something new from this one too!
You need to remember that Todd hates NV because it had better story than his game so he probably said to the producers to just ignore it
I don't know if Todd hates NV specifically, but its been well established that Bethesda hates continuity and consistent world building. See Pete Hines line on why the BOS are in Fallout 76. "We won't be beholden to something written 20 years ago".
@@Mirthful_Midori Because there is no lore. No one including Black Isle respected the original story or its lore. They all have been changing and adding and subtracting things as they saw fit to come up with a new story line for the next game so they could keep milking the same cow. I call it "The Planet of The Apes effect" Where a story is forced to conclude by an ending that leaves no place to go but an endless series of movies is made afterwards anyway to milk the cow.
Nope just yall saying that FO3 literally outsold all of the Ogs in a week, with better and better sales. All you can do his try to argue that NV shitty writing is good, but anyone who played the game will dismantle that argument
@@datboicasino good game with good mechanics with a shitty backstory and timeline
Set it at 2097 then it's A OK
@@datboicasino More sales doesn't make it a good game, its just means its a profitable game, particularly for casual fans not the OG or fans familiar with Morrowind or their other titles prior to Fallout 3
This really should be in someplace not explored much, like Seattle(at least I don't think this area has been), Texas, or Florida. There the BoS existing could make sense. Seattle and Texas are chapters that formed after spreading, and Florida could be a contingent from Maxon or even people who refused to join him in his neo-Enclave since the time jump between 3 and 4 is enough to get them there. And now you don't need to worry about lore contradictions other than how the BoS is here, but even then, Seattle is close by to the origins of BoS, I doubt Texas was the only used to oil and so was desolate at the end, there are plenty of other techs that can be developed there, and Florida can be the BoS wants all the space stuff, can even expand that one to Texas as well.
Sadly, Im from Texas and dont really see a good location to actually provide a decent Fallout setting. Its too spread out. FO1 and Fallout Tactics were of large areas and maybe they would have been okay, but not a game like 3 or 4 or what looks like for this TV show when you will want an area about 50 miles square to have all the action.
That said...a Lone Star Republic with the Texas Rangers of the "One riot, one Ranger" style would be great.
Appears Bethesda made them agree to not do it in a possible future location. So, this leaves out places like Philadelphia, Seattle, Chicago, the Carolina's and Texas. My guess, they are showing the results of NCR losing in New Vegas, they were already close to falling apart as it were. New Vegas was their last hope to stop the breaking of the NCR.
@@jefferydraper4019 My idea for Texas game is set it in the Triangle, with the Texas Commonwealth flag (Which is just Texas with three extra stars), representing the Roplex (Dallas-Ft Worth Area), Austin, Houston, and St. Tono's inside areas for the map. 3, NV, and 4 already play loose with distances, so I figured this would be fine. Some places could be old oil fields, maybe even the Space Center.
Plot idea was the Texas Federation was attacked by other members of the Enclave following loss of contact with Raven Rock, and you play as the Last Ranger who survived the takeover, and they kept you alive because you're loyal to the people, and so they believe if showing they are best bet for Texas, you'd join them. Meanwhile surviving members from the Federation have been biding their time, and hope you will help them defeat the Enclave again. Was thinking takeover was 2280, and game starts around 2300. Texas is also surprisingly clean because Vaults 92-94 are all one massive experiment in trying to terraform a radiated wasteland. 92 had a ton of GECKS, and 93 and 94 had a bunch of crops and animals to transplant back in, with them all being nearby Houston.
Some DLC ideas would be an NCR Ranger based one, with NCR ending for FNV and them trying to help stop the Enclave again, another one based on rogue Super Mutants, as the only ones seen in Texas to keep consistent with lore are from the Enclave themselves, DLC is a failure to contain earlier experiments in Texas area.
Seattle has not been explored in the fallout lore. only hinted at through lore tidbits. The story of the washington brotherhood is hinted as being very tragic and dark because of something they discovered hidden there.
- "Not made for fans."
- "I's canon."
Choose one.
You know what else is in the L.A. Boneyard? A crater that used to be a church, where The Master and his super mutant army were set up. What is the betting that will never be referenced?
I hope that's the crater we see in the trailer.
Is it probably gonna be a Rings of Power esque fiasco? Probably. The production (at least to me) seems to be up in the air over which writers and producers are going to have more of an influence. Kitler Films did do Westworld after all, which honestly is at least somewhat akin to kind of that New Vegas style people love so maybe that will be a good point for reference, but also one of the co-writers co-wrote Captain Marvel.... so... who knows? (Then again I haven watched Westworld only heard good things so correct me if Im wrong!).
The first season of Westworld was good. The rest was wank.
I guarantee the western cowboy style will be about as dry and sterile as the Red Dead town in Starfield. It won't be a settlement or a group of people actually living that lifestyle, it'll just be a bunch of assholes LARPing as cowboys.
welp, if a co-writer of captain marvel got his hands on the script its as good as dead. Thank you for lowering my expectations even further, I hope I'm pleasantly surprised though.
Westworld was a woke feast. (Season 1 was ok) So no, bad news.
@@invalidusername4011 "woke feast" isn't a meaningful criticism, or for that matter a meaningful phrase.
If they really did get rid of the NCR, I'm sure the reasoning behind it is that it isn't very visually exciting to new viewers, like it would make the wasteland seem too familiar. So they just wanted to shove in lots of cool power armor and stuff and so the reason for the Brotherhoods rise will probably feel pretty contrived. (Although then why not just set it somewhere that's not LA)
I think they just want to cash in on as many things that visually scream "Fallout" as possible, and the story will just be whatever.
Although a lot of people won’t agree with me I feel like Utah would be an amazing place to explore. Mainly because we are somewhat already familiar with seeing as how in New Vegas we went to Zion. But I just think being able to explore the deserts, mountains,the Great Salt Lake, and Salt Lake City would make a place for the show.
The large raider presence in Utah could be quite the interesting to explore as well.
I'm currently running a Fallout TTRPG set in that region, a few years after the events of Fallout 2. The Salt Lake City has a lot of untapped lore, especially the 80s and New Canaan.
Literally most Americans states, cities would be interesting. Heck they could have even chosen anchorage Alaska. There is so much potential there
You get Zion National Park in the New Vegas Honest Hearts DLC and I could see some potential for expanding there. North Ogden is amazing too.
Just like in the mod Salt Lake Stories, the Great Basin would be a great region to adapt.
Los Angeles...
2297...
Strong Brotherhood of Steel presence...
Oh god, they're gonna retcon more of Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas aren't they?!
The vault is located in Los Angeles but the brotherhood base shown in the trailer is Wendover Air Base which is located in Utah on the border of Nevada so them being able to build forces and an airship makes sense
@@francmarcus8433how do you know that their airbase is located there?
@@dontsearchdocumentingreali9621 behind the scenes articles confirmed it, same with the name of the airship.
@@Pigness7 ok, so are the airships on the west coast canon?
@@francmarcus8433 I've tried to look into this and found nothing. The filming is being done in Utah, as you said, but all sources only say that the show is set in Los Angeles.
The problem I noticed with Fallout over the years is the humour.
Fallout had humour but it was very dark humour, this seems to have been lost for more goofy humour in the newer games which ruins the tone of the game.
The thing is you can both make things digestable to wider audiance and respect the IP your working with. I just hope it doesnt totaly wreck the lore of the west coast, if the story is formulaic or bad I wont be too fussed, I just want the cannon to work. The good news is there is a leaked shot outthere of an NCR HQ, so we know they are likley still at least partialy functional. I would also like to point out that in fallout 2, iirc, only the NCR capitol and vault city looke super clean, there were plenty of other areas in the califorina wasteland that still looked like wasteland.
But here’s the thing how can you respect the ip when the current ip holders don’t even respect it or even understand it?
Hollywood has a terrible track record with video game adaptations. Over the last year or two there have been some good ones but..... I'm worried that this is be like the Halo show. Basically a "in name only" adaptation. I hope that they prove me wrong.
Uhhhhh the last of us???
@@Pigness7We haven’t seen S2 yet + they’ve confirmed is coming.
@@Pigness7Also, Twisted Metal says hello.
The good thing about the story being set in post war LA is that they can just shoot on the streets of LA and say "It's post war, look even the ghouls are here!".
That’s just a good fucking joke man, I’ve got nothing else to add.
@@purpseatpeeps8641
Yeah, I'm eternally grateful to demonrat party policies that made the US one big cabaret.
-Hey, I know! What if we envisioned a dystopia where stealing was legal?
-Ha, hilarious! But nobody would believe such an atrocious thing! What next? Legalizing fentanyl and paying for the drugs of addicts?!
It has been my experience that the canonicity of a particular work is often subject to its reception. If the series turns out to be 100% bovine excrement, I would expect its canonicity to be called into question.
Just like the Halo show. The first season was so fucking atrocious that they covered their ass by going “oh this whole thing is a big what if scenario, don’t worry the actual canon is safe”. What they don’t realize is that they still taint the image of the IP when they create low effort trash under its name.
we've been getting the same fucking story in fallout since fallout 3
>leave the vault
>search for something/someone
>oh damn ghouls
>oh damn brotherhood of steel
The final part in 3 is oh damn enclave
Then the game basically ends
and a supermutants...
Lmao you just described the entire plot of Fallout 1. You fanboys need to stop being pretentious hypocrites
@@TheSimGuy007 bad take dude. Fallout 1 was the first one in the franchise, you'd think after so many entries they'd have broken the mold, but we keep getting fallout 1, only in different locations
@@rattfink99 Yeah, and if they break the mold, you fanboys will cry about it not being Fallout enough. Cant win with you guys.
Inb4 "but but Obsidian did it and it was like the best thing ever!!!!111" of course because its obsidian, if it was bethesda everyone will dislike it becase yall hate everything bethesda does. I hate some of the changes they did too but i give credit where its due unlike you guys
As soon as they made it clear they would NOT be starting at the beginning of the timeline and covering the story of Fallout 1 i checked out. Todd hates that Black Isle/Obsidian titles are considered better than his and he seems to wish he could delete their existence. I really hope he bombs the next title so hard that Microsoft gives the title back to Obsidian. Thats literally about our only hope of ever getting a good one again.
It will happen when the descendant of the chosen one brings down the source code for Van Buren from Mt Olympus and hands it to the developers at Obsidian. If this happens I'll start going back to church. 🤣
Not that I want to defend Todd Howard or anything, but where are we getting all of this "Todd Howard is petty and hates the Black Isle/Obsidian Fallouts" from?
@@Thagomizer The fact he always changes the topic when asked about letting Obsidian do another spin off would be number 1. The fact he cut their pay over one particular critic rating. The fact he gave them 18 months to make a game and not a day more (they still did better than him). His face whenever someone brings up NV being the highest rated by fans. etc etc.
@@eclipsegst9419 Its probably not just Todd, it could also be the executive like Pete Hines and their old ceo (Who died like ages ago, been with the company since the 1980s I believe), I highly doubt its the employees, since I've heard they've praised the devs for fnv
It will be made for ... _"modern audiences"._
anything bethesda releases is slop and if you buy it youre a fool
@pragmaticskepticThe Message almost makes you wish for Caesar's Legion
As soon as I saw strong girl boss I had my doubts to be honest
$50 says Lucy is a Mary Sue.
Correction: $50 says Lucy is a Mary Sue and the writers will use that bitchiness to somehow turn that into a message of female empowerment.
i aint even an antiwoke guy but GOD i already know she will be
@@kaelell4697"I'm a centrist but *frothing indistinguishable from a rightist* ass comment
If you're the kind of person you are, the content of the show won't change your mind
@@andrewkelly1337 ???? what makes you say that?
It's not a good sign about who they think their target audience is that they chose Vanity Fair for it's initial magazine coverage. This would be like someone doing an adaptation of a Hemingway novel and going to PC Gamer Magazine.
I agree with your take. It's all about cash not fans
Honestly, Fallout kind of has a built in infodump for new fans, in the form of following a Vault Dweller or outsider into each region. They could be faithful to the game lore, and get the average viewer invested in the world without making much extra setup. Just some environmental work and a few conversations about the history
Maybe something like The Book of Eli, where the main charachter is already an experienced wastelander and we see most exposition just by the enviroment
Brotherhood of steel insignia painted with the color Red on The Power armors in the trailer (Unlike the Mojave chapter whom has the color Yellow) and East cost with White colored Insignia (Caswennan has the paint of Bos insignia Painted white), which makes think the BoS from the TV are different chapter from the Mojave and the East cost But will be visited later By the East coast chapter arriving in the caswennan!
All lore is out the window for a project like this. Trust me, I lost count and gave up with Rings of Power. They don't give a damn.
I agree with you I hated what the did to The Wheel of Time too, Yet I have hope it might be good as The boys. Who knows!!
They're west coast, its been confirmed they're at an airbase on the border of utah and nevada
Yes for sure they are West coast But Might not be the same one as the Mojave chapter (Based on the Insignia color) or maybe they are what left of the Mojave chapter and thus we have an Older scribe as member of the BoS as desperate measures.
also I am almost Positive the airship is east coast coming to support them
Considering what Amazon did to the wheel of time I'm sure they can ruin this as well
All this over a trailer lol
In all honesty I think Bethesda should move away from Fallout for a bit and focus on the Elder Scrolls. Bethesda has only made two actual Elder Scrolls games since Morrowind while Fallout Fans have gotten four actual games since Fallout Tactics (Three Made By Betheada and one contracted and published by Bethesda). To me Bethesda needs to give a Fallout a break and give the Elder Scrolls far more attention.
Agree. Tamriel is meant to be so much grander than the Wasteland, yet we got "cities" with an average of about 6 buildings in Skyrim. They need to be putting their all into TES6, because if that flops or even underperforms, they're done.
@@PhattyBolger Agreed
Why? They'll only ruin TES faster then. At least juggling two IPs means they are slowed down in their quest to utterly destroy everything I love. If anything we'd all be better off if they just stopped developing both games altogether. At least then they'd stop fucking them up and even fucking up the lore of the previous games in the process.
@@NIgHTMaReFortyTwo Oh ye petty legion of little faith
Maybe quit making games all together. That would satisfy everyone
That ghoul definitely doesn't have a ghoul's eyes
You are right, the fans are never the target of Movies or TV shows, they are aimed at new "fans"
Amazon is hit or miss. You get shows like Rings of Power which most people dislike. Then you get shows like The Boys which mostly everyone loves.
It will be interesting to see if they acknowledge New Vegas or not.
Tbf the boys is getting worse season after season.
@@scaccu Like almost every show.....
I was just on a mini rant about this (-to myself, because I'm weird-) but it just hit me:
What if the reason NCR isn't present or doesn't look to be present is because they're (-the show runners-) are following one of the Lonesome Road DLC endings? Specifically, the one where the courier nukes both the NCR and Legion at the end, since Legion doesn't look to be anywhere on the pitch either? It would explain both their absences, the state of the New California wastes in general, and give Bethesda all the space they need to completely rewrite the Fallout verse afterwards, without ever having to consider the implications of New Vegas ever again.
Effective for their purposes, I think, and probably the best way to go about it. Have we seen any brahmin yet?
I hate you. That makes sense and allows them to purge all the old history...
NV also hints that the NCR might go through an economic collapse soon, which would very well explain what's going on.
@@Pigness7...no, it hints at a food shortage, at worst. Which is assumedly dealt with using Vault 222 data. If there was a potenti economic collapse people wouldnt be able to to throw away their money in Vegas and Mr Houses plan wouldnt involve mooching off their citizens to get to space. Mr House of all people would know if their economy would collapse.
i'm pretty sure the nukes only destroy the supply to the mojave,if anything,this would just HELP the NCR,cause as far as i can tell the mojave campaign is unpopular as all hell
I just started playing Fallout. Didnt know a show was coming out. Amazon....show...hard pass. They f'ed up before, can't picture them getting any of it right.
The moment I saw the the T-60 and the foollout 76 "assult rifle" I knew it was over
I’ve been really into FNV and Fallout Shelter. I’d say this show has a 75% chance of being bad, 15% chance of being decent and a 10% chance of being amazing. I want this show to be good so bad. The lore mixed with whatever story they try to make scares me.
Then watch them say some shit about the Enclave reestablish themelves as a super power with no base of operations
@@UnpaidInternNo.9472 I don’t know about the Enclave yet but that would be lazy as hell. It honestly just sucks how bad FO4 is. It was my first Fallout game. 3rd second then my favorite NV. If they follow any plot about finding a family member it’s already downhill.
zero chance its anything other than crap, fella.
@@DeezNuggz Yuh my expectations are horrible. We can only hope..
The Fallout Show seems to be based on Fallout 3 and 4. Everyone still lives in shacks (even after 200+ years later), the Brotherhood are (as far as we know) the dominant faction and the "good guys", we'll see the same five mutants (radroaches, brahmin, deathclaws, ghouls, and super mutants) again, ghouls that look more like recent burn victims than actual 200 year old mutants (though the director's excuse, makes some sense), bottle caps are the sole currency, no cars, double down on the whole "Fallout is if the 50's never ended" debate, and no form of government anywhere (again, 200+ plus years later).
This isn't a show about Fallout, this is a show about Bethesda's Fallout.
Maybe I'm wrong, but giving the state of the entertainment industry and adaptations nowadays, I highly doubt it.
EDIT [1/23/2024]: At least now they have a reason to involve all the recurring mutants. But I still feel that Bethesda will go with their own spin on the first Fallout. No offence to those who genuinely like Bethesda's Fallout, I just get a little crazy when it comes to lore consistency.
NCR was also telling a lie about the state of the boneyard in FNV
One thing to note is that the vault with the NCR flag may not be Vault 33. We've been told that V33 never opened, so basically another V101 situation. We also know there's a Vault 32 appearing in the show (likely the one with the cyclops overseer), so it's possible the flag belongs in there.
The NCR is by far my favorite Fallout faction, if it's totally gone, I'll be very very disappointed.
Oh no i don't think they will because i like to believe that Todd is not stupid enough to go that far most likely will the NCR be "returned" to there Fallout 2 size
@@derkurier2710In Fallout 2, they controlled the boneyard, the Hub, Junktown, Shady Sands, Dayglow, and Maxson. In that game, they were mostly focused on expanding northward.
"We as the core fan base are going to watch it."
No.
No one hates new fallout stuff more than fallout fans.
It's the same for every IP. Nobody hates an IP more, than it's biggest fans. Go to a fan forum for Marvel, Star Wars, you name it, it's the same everywhere.
I only hate 76 but 76s level & alantic city & dlc2 the south area are great but 76 was exacuted poorly
@@Tijuanabillwrong i stil lov 1:19 marvel & star wars but morbuios & madem web look terrible so is enternals but the marvels is great
@@mikejett2733 You can disagree with my opinion, but only a true moron tries to fact check one.
Fallout 1 & 2 I spent tons hours in college playing pirated versions i found. Bought the rest. I'm pretty sure i spent a few years of my life on 3 and New Vegas 😄 4 was meh... some good ideas and quality of life changes. And now things are dead... Thank goodness the creators of Final Fantasy 7 are pouring their honest talent into the remake. At least some some people still genuinely care about their source material.
When I saw the Brotherhood of Steel in their T-60 power armors I was almost certain that these were the East-Coast Brotherhood that won in Fallout 4 than came back to the west coast to "liberate" thier west coast brothers cause I dont know how the West-coast has the ability to make such ship like the prydwin on their own since the blueprints and resources to make it were found in the east-coast to begin with.
If all fans and content creators say that it's not canon, what are they gonna do? It's us who care about this fiction, it's them who care about its profitability.
They aren't gonna care. They didn't change their stance on Fallout 76 being canon and New Vegas being non-canon after all the fan criticism of both choices.
"Hey, I got a great idea... let's take the demographic of the country that pays for most of this franchise and lets make sure we make the characters that they want to look like them be not like them... I think we will make bank with this idea just like Star Wars, MCU, Dr. Who, etc..."
I know these people are evil and deliberately stupid. This making all women protagonists is getting ridiculous
I thought the point of adapting an IP with a pre existing fan base is to make money off of said fanbase. Instead, nearly every adaptation actively antagonizes the entire reason you're supposed to be adapting something in the first place.
It's like opening a steak house, inviting everyone in, and then proceed to lecture people on animal cruelty before finally informing them that there's no actual steak on the menu and instead you'll be serving only gluten free vegan ice cubes. Then you pretend to be shocked to discover everyone hates you.
listen, guys, if bethesda doesn't give a shit about the integrity of their own IP's worlds, why should you?
If its Bethesda approved, then you can be certain its going to suck. Just like Rings of Power
I find it funny how people leave out a good show like The Boys when saying there's nothing good on Amazon.
@@hermos3602 Never had the interest to watch it. Can't stand Superhero related shit. It's already bad enough we've got Marvel.
@@OscarDirlwoodclown take
@@Intr0vertical yeah. Its just me and a few shit stirers that think that as opposed to a general consensus based on past events.
Go and put your dummy back in and go back to bed.