Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem
Spit up is particularly powerful depending on the charge of stockpile. 1 stockpile is 100 2 stockpile is 200 3 stockpile is 300. Granted, this would NEVER work in a comp setting but it has some interesting use cases in nuzlockes. Alternatively the HP regain on swallow is the following 1 stockpile is 25% hp 2 stockpile is 50% 3 stockpile is 100% Again, using half of your move slots for a gimmick is not likely to work… nor would any of its users be capable of getting a benefit in a comp setting. But it’s one of the goofiest moves and a favorite of mine.
It's astounding how Stockpile is a legit pretty good defensive move but Swallow and Spit Up are so terrible due to not actually synergizing with it at all (REMOVING the defense buffs for activation?! Seriously?! Who in their right mind wouldn't just pair Stockpile with a different recovery move?!)
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Next generation: ability where getting hit gives stacks of stockpile.
@@joshuakim5240If you're spamming a defense-stat boosting move, you want some way to turn that into offense. Otherwise you're a sitting duck that's going to get crit and die. That's why moves like Cosmic Power and Iron Defense are only ever really used with Stored Power or Body Press-- you pretty much never see them on their own. So you'd need your Stockpile user to have one of those moves to be relevant at all-- not to mention it only stacks three times, and thus is outclassed by other defensive stat-boosting moves. So I'd say it's not a very good defensive move at all
@@deparingeDude why does he voice the videos when he can hardly pronounce anything correctly. The number of times I've heard this guy say "albeit" as "al-bay" is uncountable
it's why i'll just run stockpile and swallow. spit up usually isn't worth the slot. and stockpile is decent defense boosting anyways on pokés who don't get things like cosmic power.
In slight defense of Round: Wolfe Glick and Alpharad made a fun gimmick team in gen 8 based on Round because not only does the second Round increase in power, but the user of the second Round also gets to move with the speed of the first Round user. Meaning you can use a fast pokemon like Accelgor to Round and then have a Strong but slow Pokemon like Porygon Z follow it up immediately after giving it "pseudo-priority" and a powerful stab adaptability boosted 120BP Special move. Obviously this is still a gimmick, but it's funny and can actually catch some people by surprise in an online ladder environment (not in actual tournaments of course, especially not with Open Team Sheets).
I remember using Round in Gen 6 Triple Battles (in-game, but still) with a Greninja, Pixilate Sylveon and Refrigerate Aurorus. Don't remember how well it did, but it was amusing! 😂
@@noko_9796 abilities that use moves are almost always going to be good, and will ALWAYS be better than using the move itself. Examples: 1) Grassy Surge is good while the move Grassy Terrain is ass 2) Growl is cheeks but Intimidate is one of the most defining abilities in the game 3) Mean Look is decent but Shadow Tag is broken as hell lol
Kilowattrel also has an interesting, if strictly inferior variation. It's cool that Kilowattrel can set Tailwind and then fire off a charge-boosted Electric attack immediately after. Unfortunately, Kilowattrel is very weak and the only wind-based attacks it's going to run into are likely going to be super-effective against it and/or horribly crippling like Blizzard and Icy Wind.
@@oscara1573if you have to win 100 battles in a row, double team is useless. If you only have to win one battle to stop someones 97 battle streak, then double team is the best move in the game.
3:08 That’s interesting. In the PBR guide I have, I can attest that one of the combos listed in it was definitely Giga Impact + Roar. That must only be in the Prima verison.
Pokémon XD (developed by Genius Sonority) will also use this combo at the end of Orre Colosseum Round 5 with Hyper Beam and "starter clones", with Gonzap's team turning the entire strategy against you (notably he has a Choice Band Slaking packing a still physical Hyper Beam with nearly no drawback). This quirk of Roar bypassing the charge turns is also needed earlier to win a Battle CD (you have two Slaking, eight turns to end battle but the opponent will always use Protect on odd turns. You must use Exploud's Roar to swap the Slaking so that you can attack in the even turns).
Bit of a swerve from the conversation, but I had the PBR guide as well. And it showed that the shiny costume trainers existed long before they were recently discovered
i don't get why there was such a massive section to say "hyper beam bad" because yeah, we all know that already. the point was about giga impact + truant, which, like you actually said, is actually a thing slaking uses because when you're using slaking you might as well go all in. there was a mention of truant durant, too, which didn't even exist in gen 4. it just felt like a massive chunk of the video dedicated to dunking on what was seemingly a typo that swapped the loafing turn and the attacking turn
@@minerturtle45 Hyper Beam before Gen 4 was a normal physical move, which was actually a strategy for Slaking in Gen 3, as paired with a choice band you have a stab base 150 move that Slaking can fire off it's much higher physical attack. Think of it like explosion but you dont immediately die. The Giga Impact strategy seems to replace that in Gen 4, because what wasnt mentioned was that Giga Impact's recharge is cancelled out by truant, meaning you only lose 1 turn as opposed to two as FSG mentioned.
Giga Impact is a bad idea on Slaking because you can't switch during the recharge turn and optimal Slaking play involves switching it in, using one attack, and then immediately switching back out the following turn. If you check the Smogon analyses for Slaking, not a single one includes Giga Impact. In fact, they all mention Giga Impact in the "Other Options" section as something that should *never be used on Slaking* because of how bad it is.
@@LordPhilipJFry so something else has to take the hit? Lol. Slaking can take most hits at least once. Banded Giga impact slaking is a valid option for what it is.
12:02 I had an idea Pure Steel Type Pokémon that resembles a Silver and Gold ornate Potbellied Piggy Bank with the ability “Stock Market” where every time it takes damage from a physical attack it gains a charge of Stockpile It would be called “Worthog”
@@thevioletbee5879pshhhhh that would be too overwhelming the whole point is to make stockpile more relevant by instead of wasting time setting up manually it’s a passive ability and that’s even if you include the boosts to defense and sp defense It would be basically a steel type Chansey with high HP and moderate defenses. Four slot syndrome would very much dictate this play style since it’s mostly a physical wall that builds itself up and then tears itself down to heal, very niche but I’m positive that if it existed someone could find a good way to use Worthog Stealth Rock, Iron Head, Swallow, and Toxic as a good example
According to Bulbapedia, the recharge of Giga Impact happens on the same turn as the "loafing around" of Truant, so in theory, if you have a Slaking, and it's going to loaf around anyway, the idea is to use Giga Impact for the 150 STAB attack, loaf around, and then use it again since it's recharge was handled during the truant phase. Silly, but if you had a choice banded Slaking anyway, firing off a boosted STAB Giga Impact off Slaking's higher physical attack stat would be like getting an Explosion in without dying.
It's not ideal, as you can't switch which means you're literally helpless. It's not a workaround, even though it's def a fun nuke. Because you can't switch due to being helpless, I can buff, switch to a pokemon with a counter strat, which is something the recharge turn just makes you deal with. If you just had the Truant turn, you could be proactive and switch to maybe get an advantageous match up.
Problem is even if you manage to get a KO, 99% of the time you're going to get KO'd by whatever switches in after anyway. That's the best case scenario. Worst case scenario, you get heavily exploited via setup. For example, a Dragonite switches in after and gets a free DD. If you had gone double-edge instead, the DD would still be free but at least you could switch to a counter while they are using it.
It would actually be preferable if Slaking did just die on that turn since it wouldn't be exploited on the next one. To that end, I actually believe *DOUBLE-EDGE* to be the superior 'final attack' from a low health Banded Slaking, since dying to recoil at the same time as KOing your target would be ideal as compared to Giga Impacting and completely exposing yourself afterwards
5:42, They already pointed it out in the video, but they talked about multiple problems with this strat. One of them was that the guide used the language of "Slack off for one turn and then hit with Giga Impact" which implies that the Pokemon uses Truant FIRST before using Giga Impact. Not only that, but it just says "Truant+Giga Impact" which implies that it isn't solely for Slacking. Lastly, by using Giga Impact it prevents the Pokemon from switching out the next turn. If it was Truant alone, you could at least swap out on the Truant turn, but Giga Impact locks your truant Pokemon in. The guide describes it as a combo, but the combo itself both "relies" on using a bad ability and introduces even more risk to the Pokemon using it. Edit: Just realized that the guide book was for gen 3, so my points are now somewhat invalid.
Removing the overworld effects from Abilities takes away the strategy in trying to encounter specific wild Pokémon. Pokémon should have been the focus that they should have been able to do other stuff besides just battles.
I think every Ability should have an overworld and in-battle use. For example, Intimidate should repel wild Pokemon of a lower level than the Pokemon with the Ability if they're at the head of the team order. Meanwhile, Pick-up should increase the power of item removal moves like Thief or Knock Off by a small percentage.
If you're talking about Charge I feel Laser Focus is a worse variant. Not only don't you get any boost, but Critting on the next move is lower damage than the boost since the move was introduced when critical was already nerfed to only a 50% boost. I guess at least you can use it for all attacks, and you can use it when the opponent has buffed defenses already, but I think even then there are better ways to waste your turn.
I unironically believe that Stockpile is most useful without including Swallow/Spit up on the moveset lol, those defensive boosts have far more value than the healing/damage that causes to lose them. it's basically a bootleg cosmic power that only allows getting into +3, somewhat good on walls like Hippowdon.
Nah idc what you say Round strats are a ton of fun. Minimum speed Primarina with Liquid Voice and a Splash Plate or Life Orb plus Max Speed Specs Porygon-Z goes brrrrr with Round. Y’all’s left out the the second Pokemon using Round goes immediately after the first, so you can effectively bypass speed tiering with the move. It can go hard if you know how to use it. Edit: Also the point of a round in singing is that it starts off with one voice and then another joins in singing the start of the song at the same time as the first person is in the middle of the song. Row Your Boat is a classic example of this
Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem
11:35 I've seen Round used this way, with a slow -ate ability user next to a much faster mon. A feature of Round that wasn't mentioned is that the second, slower Round goes off immediately, regardless of the user's speed. That type-changed Round would go off much faster than it has any right to. And if the opponent tries to get around this using Trick Room? Now the slow mon Rounds first and the speedy mon follows up; you still get both attacks first if your slow mon is slow enough.
I'm surprised kellen didn't even mention that, since Charge forces you to use an electric move the next turn, the opponent can literally just switch in a ground type and make the Charge even more worthless. Most good moves aren't 100% guaranteed to give the opponent a free switch, let alone to one that hard counters yours
Another funny strategy to think of is Truant + Solar Beam. It is literally impossible to pull of unless you have sun. But is hilarious to think of using solar beam on slaking and it will always fail bc of truant.
made me almost choke of laughter who the hell decided to include solar beam in his moveset? "Ima charge my lazo- right after this power nap. Ima charge my lazo- right after this power nap. Ima charge my lazo- right after this power nap. ima.."
One thing I will say about Round, and maybe it’s been said already, is that it does do something interesting that is similar to the pledge moves - because Round instantly calls the next Pokémon’s Round, it bypasses the slower Pokémon’s speed stat - but it doesn’t only count as one attack, it still maintains the two-attack status that pledge moves lose. WeedleTwineedle showcased some of the move’s potential when combined with Sylveon’s and Primarina’s Pixillate and Liquid Voice, respectively, back in the SWSH era of VGC. But beyond that, yeah, the move is still incredibly gimmicky, and if GameFreak could implement changes to make it combine with the Pokémon’s preferred stab types naturally without relying on specific abilities would be awesome.
Round almost certainly is a relic of the now defunct triple battle format. You can kind of see the utility of using Round with 1 fast utility mon and 2 slow wallbreakers to focus down an opposing pokemon before they get to move, but even then it’s still not really worth it.
Charge at least got buffed in Gen 9 to be stored until you use an Electric move, which... isn't good in PvP, still, but I'd guess they did that for purposes pertaining to Bellibolt's Electromorphosis ability. At least Miraidon in Tera Raids can make some use of it, I suppose.
On the subject of Charge, it's interesting how they've now introduced Bellibolt with Elctromorphosis, which is effectively the same thing. You tank a hit and charge your next Electric move, just without the SpDef boost. The difference is that 1) Bellibolt can learn Charge (and Charge Beam even!) on top of Elctromorphosis, and the two effects stack. And 2) Bellibolt is actually bulky enough to manage to take that one hit it needs, which isn't something every user of Charge can claim (Plusle and Minun rise to mind, primarily).
Kind of makes me wonder if Swallow and Spit up were originally intended to only consume one stack of Stockpile but someone deemed that to risky. For all the set-up needed as well as the opportunity cost of going two or three moves into one strategy I don't think that would turn them from trash to treasure but it should at least make them a little less bad.
For round it seems you forget to mention that after the first Pokemon uses round, the second Pokemon "Joins in" and ignores the speed stat entirely! So you could have a really fast Pokemon use round and have Choice Specs Refrigerate Auroras use the 120BP Stab 20% boosted Round immediately after! Well, Tailwind/trick room is usually good enough to get around speed like that anyways and benefits your entire team, not just that one round, uh... hm. Also Snow Warning Blizzard is almost as strong and a spread move without any other set-up so...
Round was a nightmare in gen 6 triple battle, where two fast mons would use it followed by mega salamence using a 288 bp STAB flying type move that hits all 3 mons. If you didn’t have wide guard or something that could take out salamence fast, you were screwed
Shoutout to Charge + Electric move being good in PMD2 because of Move Linking. Charge and then attack with the empowered Electric attack on the same turn. Took up a move slot, but it was a great burst option.
Honorable Mention, albeit idk if it fully fits here: Fusion Flare & Fusion Bolt gaining power after the other is used. If only because Reshiram & Zekrom not only have better moves to use, including upgraded versions in almost every way in Blue Flare and Bolt Strike, but also cus Reshiram & Zekrom aren't going to really click those moves if they happen to face one another in singles, and in doubles they don't work particularly well together either.
Failed signature moves exist. Barrage and Kinesis are obvious, but no one uses Darkest Lariat or Sparkling Aria. While Swampert can use Muddy Water and Blaziken can use Blaze Kick, Leaf Blade no longer synergies with Sceptile after Gen 3. Same with the Unova starter, except not even in Gen 5 was Serperior using Leaf Tornado. And Rillaboom got better in kind of a bad way, as Grassy Glide made Drum Beating useless.
@@juanca2567 Darkest Lariat was used as coverage when it was still a Gen 8 TM. Sparkling Aria actually has a niche on specific Primarinas; since Sparkling Aria is a sound move, it basically fulfills the same function as "Liquid Hyper Voice" except you still get to keep Torrent. And no, the "downside" of healing the opponent's burn is irrelevant because: 1) you could just use a team that doesn't try to inflict burn on the enemy 2) even if the opponent does have a burned Pokémon, chances are they'd rather stay burned than eat a 90 BP STAB move from Primarina just to remove it.
Okay, Primarina has that, but generation 8 was proof that Darkest Lariat was a failed signature move and just gave it up to other Pokemon as a TR. At least Mystical Fire had some uses for Delphox in Gen 7 before it became general move pool coverage, and even then it was because Delphox wasn’t in Sword and Shield.
No offense, BKC, but maybe don't write words in the script that FSG can't pronounce. I didn't know the original cut of Event Horizon was lost, though. That kind of sucks.
I'm not trying to be mean; I've been following this channel since it was fairly new, but articulation has always been one of FSG's biggest stumbling blocks. BKC's tendency for using words like that only makes FSG's job harder.
The devs are not competitive players. They don't really have any idea what works in competitive. They can see what was overpowered in the last generation's competitive format but they are bad at anticipating what will be overpowered or ineffective in the next generation.
recently, I made a set for Swalot, for national dex format, using Rest + Chesto Berry with Belch and it works very well, also using Acid Spray to make Belch more powerfull
Regarding the Giga Impact strat, I imagine it's either a joke or someone really misunderstood the drawbacks of recharge vs truant's lost turns. It should also be noted that even the official strategy guides are typically made by a third party so they're very prone to being wrong 🤔
Charge’s only good use is in raids, and probably only Tera Raids with Miraidon… where you’re often bringing Miraidon because you want to cheese the boss with a 1 shot without giving it the chance to notice it’s in danger, you don’t set off the triggers for stat wipes or shield activation (these triggers are time or boss hp based). You stack some metal sound drops, use them to activate Throat Spray, put up a Charge, and suddenly it’s reasonable for Miraidon to be hitting the 20x-40x HP the Electric-Weak Boss may have
No they do not; in fact Double-Edge is usually preferable on these Slakings since it fulfills the same function for a nuke button but with a much less harsh downside. In fact, the downside can be made an upside when used as a "final attack used at low HP", since if you manage to recoil KO yourself on the same turn as your opponent, that's waaaay better than Giga Impact KOing something and leaving yourself completely exposed on the next turn.
There’s this one move called “Hold Back”, which is essentially dollar store False Swipe. It could be learned by the Unovan starters, Beldum, Mareep, Celebi, and Munchlax.
Another dumb thing about Belch is its 90 accuracy. That's pretty good accuracy for such a powerful move, but it seems really weird that you can jump through all the hoops necessary to use Belch, then the move just misses anyway.
How I’d buff each type of situation: -Hyper Beam/Giga Impact would have their charge period removed if a KO is obtained -Charge would be either a bulk up or calm mind boost based on the Pokémon’s physical and special while also boosting electric moves -Belch would usable for up to 3 times, making it not a one and nuke attack -Round would have a built in taunt and torment, shutting down stall
The thing that makes Belch bad isn't the move itself, imo. If anything, I think the move itself could be run quite well. The only problem is control. Berries, unlike most items in the game, have a very significant flaw, in that they are almost reactively activated, not proactively activated. You have to be hit into a Berry's use range more often than not, and those that don't do this are often extremely committal, like Sub + Petaya/Salac, or Belly Drum + Sitrus. If there was a way for the berry-user to forcibly activate their own berry's consumption, then I think Belch would become much better as a move. Say, for example, that a new setup move is added that boosts attack and special attack by 2 stages, but paralyzes the user. By adding a lum berry, you would have a way to activate your own Belch without the need to be statused by an opponent, and the move would become much more usable as a result. It's not as if there aren't pokemon that would LOVE to use the 120 BP Poison Special move in their aresnal. Hydreigon, the Glow-twins, Toxtricity, Salazzle- hell, even Cacturne might want something to hit fairies hard with. But it's just not able to be consistently used.
Most of these honestly were probably meant for kids to fiddle around in-game... However... What in Gamefreak's mind made them think that giving signature moves to ZOROARK of all mons was a good idea? At least Hisuian has an amazing one, but Night Daze is literally only 5 points stronger than Dark Pulse LMAO.
The easiest way to fix belch would be to make it physical, can you imagine that after a belly drum, the gluttony snorlax heals 33% from an aguav berry and is ready to hit you with a +4 base 120 power move?
round should gain power for each sound based move that was used before it in the turn. starts at 30, gains the attack power of those moves (or 50 if it was a non-damaging move like roar). so the ideal combo is to have a faster pokemon use hyper voice, and then follow up on it with massive damage, or maybe carry an item that blocks roar and retaliate. also plays well with trickroom, since you want to go after the enemy if the also carry the move.
I would love a 3rd episode in this series. If looking for another series to start, how about moves that are great in Competive but bad in playthroughs? Memento is great in Competive due to how important it is to cripple certain set-up Pokemon, but rarely sees play in story playthroughs due to the lack of trainers that do set-up.
"Once you've done that, you are free to Belch to your hearts content, much to the delight of your roommates and/or your significant other." Pause.... WHAT?
There are so many Normal moves that are so NOT normal in concept that they definitely need the type check avoided. Let them to neutral damage to everything. EVEN ghosts. That's the true power of Normal. And some moves need that.
All Charge really needs is to change from a one turn buff either to being stored or a weaker permanent multiplier, maybe add a level of SpecD or Speed. Swalot's moves should go back to not spending the stacks, increase Swallow to 25% per stack, and lower Spit Up damage to 50-75 per stack.
In the next Pokémon game, they should change how these moves work. Charge can not only boost special defense, but at least give the Pokemon using it three or four instances of empowered electric type attacks. (100%/75%/50%/25%) or (100%/50%/25%) per move usage, each getting weaker like a battery using up some of its "charge". So instead of permanently boosting the pokemon until knockout/switch (broken concept, ngl.) it can allow players to set up and hit the enemy team at critical times whenever available, if the Charged/Baton Passed Pokemon is on the battlefield. ~•~ ~•~ ~•~ For Belch, I think the mechanic should be changed overall so that works like venoshock or Hex; that it can attack with damage havled (60 base) and max if the berry is used (120). Belch can also force the Pokemon to consume the berry immediately to use the move, if the condition is right. Meaning some berries won't work at all or sacrificing the berry will give the player "But nothing happned!" text. The change is good for when you step in traps and are still in the green on HP or proccing stat boosting berries to increase your offensive/defensive capabilities. A personally funny idea would be for a Pokemon suffering from poison status to get the buff without the use of a berry, as some forms of sickness can have belching as a side affect. Combining berry and poisoning to send it into a terrifying 180 base power move that'll melt the competition. ~•~ ~•~ ~•~ I'm not sure what to think about for Round. Maybe boosting the next attack of the initiator? Make a special "synchronized" state to boost sound or regular moves afterwards until one of them are Knockout/switch? I've got nothing...😅
The Stockpile moves sound like something that could actually be fun and effective if we end up with a Pokemon that can naturally get one free stockpile every turn.
never used this mon in VGC but in game I had an ampharos who knew charge, discharge, magnet rise, and power gem in soul silver and it was a beast in game. It also had a hasty nature.
As much as I love the move, Me First is not the best move in existence, being a real nuisance to use, because you have to rely on your opponent's move.
My favorite is the designer's intending us to use the overpowered legendaries that completely dominate the end-game and oops I just released it. My bad!
15:30 - Ok... Hear me out, there's a legitimate build that Can make Belch work, even work good to an extent (at the very least surprise factor as most players have no idea one of these moves even exist). Swalot spec'd into Defense and Special Attack (Ability doesn't really matter, maybe run Sticky Hold to ignore Trick), hold Petaya Berry for +1 SpAtk, use the move Stuffed Cheeks which instantly consumes the user's held berry regardless of its activation conditions And gives a free +2 Defense. (Why have you never heard of this move? Because only Greedent, Swalot, and Oinkologne learn it, and in Gen 8 it was Greedent's Signature Move...) Now, for attacking options you got Belch of course which now is a 120 BP move boosted with Stab & +1 SpAtk (or you can run Salac Berry for +1 Speed if you're playing in a weaker tier), Body Press to take advantage of the +2 Defense as well defensive build, and Giga Drain or Pain Split for healing and attacking Poison's weaknesses. Is it great? No, is it usable... 😶 Sure.
My favorite bad dev-intended strategy has to be Wring Out and Crush Grip. They give Wring Out to so many Pokemon but it’s so bad. And then they give a terrible signature move in Crush Grip to Regigigas, of all things.
the move round brings me nam flashbacks. playing alot of romhacks and fangames there are a select few who has that 1 battle that focuses on round and it always takes so damn long to get through them
Not sure if this is still true, but one thing about Belch that amuses me greatly is that Gardevoir can get the move via breeding. This dainty little waifu mon demurely eating a berry, only to follow it up with a window shatteringly loud belch never fails to put a smile on my face.
Belch could be good on, say, a fast special-attacking Poison-type with Unburden. But such a Pokemon doesn't exist. You only ever see Acrobatics on Pokemon with Unburden anyway.
If I'm not mistaken, you missed one selling point of round. The second Pokémon uses the move right away after the first, bypassing speed stat. Weddletwineedle made a video about it.
hypothetically speaking, you could pair up a belch pokemon in double battles with something like a Greninja with Bestow and acrobatics, then you could swap an item of choice onto the belch user and use acrobatics for the bonus damage... idk why you'd wanna do that though
Stockpile was a good set for swalot in my mono poison type in gen 7. 3x Stockpile with the Z-Move to fully heal is truly nasty and worked well as a Ferrothorn trapper
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Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem
Swallow, spot up and stockpile.
I can't believe someone actually went "Yeah these 3 moves will get it done".
Spit up is particularly powerful depending on the charge of stockpile.
1 stockpile is 100
2 stockpile is 200
3 stockpile is 300.
Granted, this would NEVER work in a comp setting but it has some interesting use cases in nuzlockes.
Alternatively the HP regain on swallow is the following
1 stockpile is 25% hp
2 stockpile is 50%
3 stockpile is 100%
Again, using half of your move slots for a gimmick is not likely to work… nor would any of its users be capable of getting a benefit in a comp setting.
But it’s one of the goofiest moves and a favorite of mine.
It's astounding how Stockpile is a legit pretty good defensive move but Swallow and Spit Up are so terrible due to not actually synergizing with it at all (REMOVING the defense buffs for activation?! Seriously?! Who in their right mind wouldn't just pair Stockpile with a different recovery move?!)
Next generation: ability where getting hit gives stacks of stockpile.
@@giraffedragon6110i remember teaching my Pokemon this crap in gen 3. It was too late when you realized it's gonna take 3 heart scales to undo
@@joshuakim5240If you're spamming a defense-stat boosting move, you want some way to turn that into offense. Otherwise you're a sitting duck that's going to get crit and die. That's why moves like Cosmic Power and Iron Defense are only ever really used with Stored Power or Body Press-- you pretty much never see them on their own. So you'd need your Stockpile user to have one of those moves to be relevant at all-- not to mention it only stacks three times, and thus is outclassed by other defensive stat-boosting moves. So I'd say it's not a very good defensive move at all
8:20
I love how you can tell both that BKC wrote this part of the script, and that Kellan was thinking "what is this guy saying" while reading it.
Well that and pronouncing copacetic in a way that tells you he clearly doesn't know the word
@@deparingeDude why does he voice the videos when he can hardly pronounce anything correctly. The number of times I've heard this guy say "albeit" as "al-bay" is uncountable
Stockpile + Swallow/Spit Up in a game where there's only 4 moves to choose from is just insane to me
Fr. If anything, they should be combined to 2 separate 2-turn moves. Stock and Spit. Stock and Swallow.
Also normal type dmg 😑
They even buffed it with defense boosts and its still lame. I want it to be good but it just plain aint
it's why i'll just run stockpile and swallow. spit up usually isn't worth the slot. and stockpile is decent defense boosting anyways on pokés who don't get things like cosmic power.
In slight defense of Round: Wolfe Glick and Alpharad made a fun gimmick team in gen 8 based on Round because not only does the second Round increase in power, but the user of the second Round also gets to move with the speed of the first Round user. Meaning you can use a fast pokemon like Accelgor to Round and then have a Strong but slow Pokemon like Porygon Z follow it up immediately after giving it "pseudo-priority" and a powerful stab adaptability boosted 120BP Special move. Obviously this is still a gimmick, but it's funny and can actually catch some people by surprise in an online ladder environment (not in actual tournaments of course, especially not with Open Team Sheets).
Saw a strategy with pixelate boosted round as well. It's the least bad of the video (not that that counts for much)
I remember using Round in Gen 6 Triple Battles (in-game, but still) with a Greninja, Pixilate Sylveon and Refrigerate Aurorus. Don't remember how well it did, but it was amusing! 😂
I'm glad the charge effect was at least utilized on Bellibolt pretty well, it just had to be put on an ability rather than a move
bellibolt is such a fun pokemon to use in single player lol especially if you teach it parabolic charge
@@noko_9796 abilities that use moves are almost always going to be good, and will ALWAYS be better than using the move itself.
Examples:
1) Grassy Surge is good while the move Grassy Terrain is ass
2) Growl is cheeks but Intimidate is one of the most defining abilities in the game
3) Mean Look is decent but Shadow Tag is broken as hell lol
It also got buffed so you don't have to use the electric type attack next turn. (The ability only provides the power boost, not the Sp. Def boost.)
Kilowattrel also has an interesting, if strictly inferior variation. It's cool that Kilowattrel can set Tailwind and then fire off a charge-boosted Electric attack immediately after. Unfortunately, Kilowattrel is very weak and the only wind-based attacks it's going to run into are likely going to be super-effective against it and/or horribly crippling like Blizzard and Icy Wind.
Yeah. Bellibolt is so much fun in Singles. I like to use Soak and Parabolic Charge so that nothing hardwalls it.
The guy who suggested Wrap+Toxic+Protect must be fun at office parties.
Battle tower taught me thats a valid strategy. Also add double team as 4th move
@@oscara1573if you have to win 100 battles in a row, double team is useless. If you only have to win one battle to stop someones 97 battle streak, then double team is the best move in the game.
Dragonite with Wrap + Toxic + Protect + Roost, is straight Power tho 🔥🔥🔥
3:08 That’s interesting. In the PBR guide I have, I can attest that one of the combos listed in it was definitely Giga Impact + Roar. That must only be in the Prima verison.
we couldnt get our hands on the Prima version in time :(
Pokémon XD (developed by Genius Sonority) will also use this combo at the end of Orre Colosseum Round 5 with Hyper Beam and "starter clones", with Gonzap's team turning the entire strategy against you (notably he has a Choice Band Slaking packing a still physical Hyper Beam with nearly no drawback).
This quirk of Roar bypassing the charge turns is also needed earlier to win a Battle CD (you have two Slaking, eight turns to end battle but the opponent will always use Protect on odd turns. You must use Exploud's Roar to swap the Slaking so that you can attack in the even turns).
Bit of a swerve from the conversation, but I had the PBR guide as well. And it showed that the shiny costume trainers existed long before they were recently discovered
i don't get why there was such a massive section to say "hyper beam bad" because yeah, we all know that already. the point was about giga impact + truant, which, like you actually said, is actually a thing slaking uses because when you're using slaking you might as well go all in. there was a mention of truant durant, too, which didn't even exist in gen 4. it just felt like a massive chunk of the video dedicated to dunking on what was seemingly a typo that swapped the loafing turn and the attacking turn
Sort of a psuedo explosion with Slaking
Yea valid. Even ranbats slaking uses banded giga impact. I didn’t get the big issue either lol
@@minerturtle45 Hyper Beam before Gen 4 was a normal physical move, which was actually a strategy for Slaking in Gen 3, as paired with a choice band you have a stab base 150 move that Slaking can fire off it's much higher physical attack. Think of it like explosion but you dont immediately die.
The Giga Impact strategy seems to replace that in Gen 4, because what wasnt mentioned was that Giga Impact's recharge is cancelled out by truant, meaning you only lose 1 turn as opposed to two as FSG mentioned.
Giga Impact is a bad idea on Slaking because you can't switch during the recharge turn and optimal Slaking play involves switching it in, using one attack, and then immediately switching back out the following turn. If you check the Smogon analyses for Slaking, not a single one includes Giga Impact. In fact, they all mention Giga Impact in the "Other Options" section as something that should *never be used on Slaking* because of how bad it is.
@@LordPhilipJFry so something else has to take the hit? Lol. Slaking can take most hits at least once. Banded Giga impact slaking is a valid option for what it is.
12:02 I had an idea
Pure Steel Type Pokémon that resembles a Silver and Gold ornate Potbellied Piggy Bank with the ability “Stock Market” where every time it takes damage from a physical attack it gains a charge of Stockpile
It would be called “Worthog”
Genius idea
Hell, cut the damage requirement. Make it a defensive speed boost.
Bro cooked so hard you'd think he had Desolate Land active while writing this
@@thevioletbee5879pshhhhh that would be too overwhelming the whole point is to make stockpile more relevant by instead of wasting time setting up manually it’s a passive ability and that’s even if you include the boosts to defense and sp defense
It would be basically a steel type Chansey with high HP and moderate defenses. Four slot syndrome would very much dictate this play style since it’s mostly a physical wall that builds itself up and then tears itself down to heal, very niche but I’m positive that if it existed someone could find a good way to use Worthog
Stealth Rock, Iron Head, Swallow, and Toxic as a good example
@@Nethaura The coolest comment I’ve ever received
The worst developer intended strategy, winning with your favorites.
GF: Win with your favorites!
Also GF: [Allows Houndoom to get powercrept down to PU]
Karen said it’s true so it must be true! 😢
You can win the storyline with your favorites, but multiplayer is a whole other beast.
i guess this comment is not for me
byee
Wolfe just did my personal favorite, lapras, justice after all this time. Loved to see it
According to Bulbapedia, the recharge of Giga Impact happens on the same turn as the "loafing around" of Truant, so in theory, if you have a Slaking, and it's going to loaf around anyway, the idea is to use Giga Impact for the 150 STAB attack, loaf around, and then use it again since it's recharge was handled during the truant phase.
Silly, but if you had a choice banded Slaking anyway, firing off a boosted STAB Giga Impact off Slaking's higher physical attack stat would be like getting an Explosion in without dying.
It's not ideal, as you can't switch which means you're literally helpless. It's not a workaround, even though it's def a fun nuke.
Because you can't switch due to being helpless, I can buff, switch to a pokemon with a counter strat, which is something the recharge turn just makes you deal with. If you just had the Truant turn, you could be proactive and switch to maybe get an advantageous match up.
Problem is even if you manage to get a KO, 99% of the time you're going to get KO'd by whatever switches in after anyway. That's the best case scenario. Worst case scenario, you get heavily exploited via setup. For example, a Dragonite switches in after and gets a free DD. If you had gone double-edge instead, the DD would still be free but at least you could switch to a counter while they are using it.
It would actually be preferable if Slaking did just die on that turn since it wouldn't be exploited on the next one.
To that end, I actually believe *DOUBLE-EDGE* to be the superior 'final attack' from a low health Banded Slaking, since dying to recoil at the same time as KOing your target would be ideal as compared to Giga Impacting and completely exposing yourself afterwards
5:42, They already pointed it out in the video, but they talked about multiple problems with this strat. One of them was that the guide used the language of "Slack off for one turn and then hit with Giga Impact" which implies that the Pokemon uses Truant FIRST before using Giga Impact. Not only that, but it just says "Truant+Giga Impact" which implies that it isn't solely for Slacking. Lastly, by using Giga Impact it prevents the Pokemon from switching out the next turn. If it was Truant alone, you could at least swap out on the Truant turn, but Giga Impact locks your truant Pokemon in. The guide describes it as a combo, but the combo itself both "relies" on using a bad ability and introduces even more risk to the Pokemon using it.
Edit: Just realized that the guide book was for gen 3, so my points are now somewhat invalid.
Removing the overworld effects from Abilities takes away the strategy in trying to encounter specific wild Pokémon. Pokémon should have been the focus that they should have been able to do other stuff besides just battles.
I think every Ability should have an overworld and in-battle use.
For example, Intimidate should repel wild Pokemon of a lower level than the Pokemon with the Ability if they're at the head of the team order. Meanwhile, Pick-up should increase the power of item removal moves like Thief or Knock Off by a small percentage.
@@JanusHoW Intimidate makes wild encounters less likely to happen.
@@JanusHoW hard agree but really funny you picked intimidate which does what you said it should do and has since emerald
If you're talking about Charge I feel Laser Focus is a worse variant. Not only don't you get any boost, but Critting on the next move is lower damage than the boost since the move was introduced when critical was already nerfed to only a 50% boost. I guess at least you can use it for all attacks, and you can use it when the opponent has buffed defenses already, but I think even then there are better ways to waste your turn.
I unironically believe that Stockpile is most useful without including Swallow/Spit up on the moveset lol, those defensive boosts have far more value than the healing/damage that causes to lose them. it's basically a bootleg cosmic power that only allows getting into +3, somewhat good on walls like Hippowdon.
stockpile on a rest/snore snorlax is incredibly funny i think. peak annoying
Nah idc what you say Round strats are a ton of fun. Minimum speed Primarina with Liquid Voice and a Splash Plate or Life Orb plus Max Speed Specs Porygon-Z goes brrrrr with Round. Y’all’s left out the the second Pokemon using Round goes immediately after the first, so you can effectively bypass speed tiering with the move. It can go hard if you know how to use it.
Edit: Also the point of a round in singing is that it starts off with one voice and then another joins in singing the start of the song at the same time as the first person is in the middle of the song. Row Your Boat is a classic example of this
Perhaps the next theorem video could be why move sets (like mix attacking, fast physical, bulky special, etc) are close to everything or the Dragonite theorem
Don't forget that's what got Salamance banned from Gen 4 OU, it was too unpredictable to counter.
11:35 I've seen Round used this way, with a slow -ate ability user next to a much faster mon. A feature of Round that wasn't mentioned is that the second, slower Round goes off immediately, regardless of the user's speed. That type-changed Round would go off much faster than it has any right to.
And if the opponent tries to get around this using Trick Room? Now the slow mon Rounds first and the speedy mon follows up; you still get both attacks first if your slow mon is slow enough.
I'm surprised kellen didn't even mention that, since Charge forces you to use an electric move the next turn, the opponent can literally just switch in a ground type and make the Charge even more worthless. Most good moves aren't 100% guaranteed to give the opponent a free switch, let alone to one that hard counters yours
Another funny strategy to think of is Truant + Solar Beam. It is literally impossible to pull of unless you have sun. But is hilarious to think of using solar beam on slaking and it will always fail bc of truant.
made me almost choke of laughter
who the hell decided to include solar beam in his moveset?
"Ima charge my lazo- right after this power nap.
Ima charge my lazo- right after this power nap.
Ima charge my lazo- right after this power nap.
ima.."
One thing I will say about Round, and maybe it’s been said already, is that it does do something interesting that is similar to the pledge moves - because Round instantly calls the next Pokémon’s Round, it bypasses the slower Pokémon’s speed stat - but it doesn’t only count as one attack, it still maintains the two-attack status that pledge moves lose. WeedleTwineedle showcased some of the move’s potential when combined with Sylveon’s and Primarina’s Pixillate and Liquid Voice, respectively, back in the SWSH era of VGC. But beyond that, yeah, the move is still incredibly gimmicky, and if GameFreak could implement changes to make it combine with the Pokémon’s preferred stab types naturally without relying on specific abilities would be awesome.
I am not a fan of the script of this video, especially the Giga Impact + Truant segment feels like a bunch of filler without any structure.
Round almost certainly is a relic of the now defunct triple battle format. You can kind of see the utility of using Round with 1 fast utility mon and 2 slow wallbreakers to focus down an opposing pokemon before they get to move, but even then it’s still not really worth it.
ah, but triple didn't exist in g4. triple battle came around in gen 5.
Flower gift 100% has to be a misclicked stat box that never got fixed💀
I never understood the purpose of boosting both stats that Cherrim has no use for
@@dramaticScarBecause it's purely a supportive 'mon.
Charge has always been such an interesting move concept, it’s such a shame that even when turned into an ability it’s still ass
Maybe it would be better if it given to a better Pokémon
The last strategy made me think about Custap Berry Belch moment, let's go!...
Until the rival sends out a Steel type.
4:39 Sick roast there dude
6:30 Such a shame you fit squarely into the people you were just roasting as we can see
Aw the showdown player thinks he owned the youtuber
Charge at least got buffed in Gen 9 to be stored until you use an Electric move, which... isn't good in PvP, still, but I'd guess they did that for purposes pertaining to Bellibolt's Electromorphosis ability. At least Miraidon in Tera Raids can make some use of it, I suppose.
This is a bkc script classic
The only time I seen round used was when wolfeyvgc used a sylveon with pixelate and a porygon-z, and it wasn’t even used in an actual tournament.
Round fix:
Make it Fairy Type
Round 1 has 80 BP
Round 2 has 250 BP
On the subject of Charge, it's interesting how they've now introduced Bellibolt with Elctromorphosis, which is effectively the same thing. You tank a hit and charge your next Electric move, just without the SpDef boost. The difference is that 1) Bellibolt can learn Charge (and Charge Beam even!) on top of Elctromorphosis, and the two effects stack. And 2) Bellibolt is actually bulky enough to manage to take that one hit it needs, which isn't something every user of Charge can claim (Plusle and Minun rise to mind, primarily).
Kind of makes me wonder if Swallow and Spit up were originally intended to only consume one stack of Stockpile but someone deemed that to risky.
For all the set-up needed as well as the opportunity cost of going two or three moves into one strategy I don't think that would turn them from trash to treasure but it should at least make them a little less bad.
For round it seems you forget to mention that after the first Pokemon uses round, the second Pokemon "Joins in" and ignores the speed stat entirely! So you could have a really fast Pokemon use round and have Choice Specs Refrigerate Auroras use the 120BP Stab 20% boosted Round immediately after!
Well, Tailwind/trick room is usually good enough to get around speed like that anyways and benefits your entire team, not just that one round, uh... hm. Also Snow Warning Blizzard is almost as strong and a spread move without any other set-up so...
I detect a long series of this and the bad Hidden Abilities vids. I approve.
Round was a nightmare in gen 6 triple battle, where two fast mons would use it followed by mega salamence using a 288 bp STAB flying type move that hits all 3 mons. If you didn’t have wide guard or something that could take out salamence fast, you were screwed
I love how old you made earlier gen players feel with the whole teaching people about HMs XD
Shoutout to Charge + Electric move being good in PMD2 because of Move Linking. Charge and then attack with the empowered Electric attack on the same turn. Took up a move slot, but it was a great burst option.
Charge + Discharge on starter Shinx was a life saver in monster houses once I could set it up.
Honorable Mention, albeit idk if it fully fits here: Fusion Flare & Fusion Bolt gaining power after the other is used. If only because Reshiram & Zekrom not only have better moves to use, including upgraded versions in almost every way in Blue Flare and Bolt Strike, but also cus Reshiram & Zekrom aren't going to really click those moves if they happen to face one another in singles, and in doubles they don't work particularly well together either.
Failed signature moves exist. Barrage and Kinesis are obvious, but no one uses Darkest Lariat or Sparkling Aria. While Swampert can use Muddy Water and Blaziken can use Blaze Kick, Leaf Blade no longer synergies with Sceptile after Gen 3. Same with the Unova starter, except not even in Gen 5 was Serperior using Leaf Tornado. And Rillaboom got better in kind of a bad way, as Grassy Glide made Drum Beating useless.
@@juanca2567 Darkest Lariat was used as coverage when it was still a Gen 8 TM.
Sparkling Aria actually has a niche on specific Primarinas; since Sparkling Aria is a sound move, it basically fulfills the same function as "Liquid Hyper Voice" except you still get to keep Torrent. And no, the "downside" of healing the opponent's burn is irrelevant because:
1) you could just use a team that doesn't try to inflict burn on the enemy
2) even if the opponent does have a burned Pokémon, chances are they'd rather stay burned than eat a 90 BP STAB move from Primarina just to remove it.
Okay, Primarina has that, but generation 8 was proof that Darkest Lariat was a failed signature move and just gave it up to other Pokemon as a TR. At least Mystical Fire had some uses for Delphox in Gen 7 before it became general move pool coverage, and even then it was because Delphox wasn’t in Sword and Shield.
No offense, BKC, but maybe don't write words in the script that FSG can't pronounce. I didn't know the original cut of Event Horizon was lost, though. That kind of sucks.
“Copaysatic” LMAOOO. Like, in fairness its my first time hearing the word too but thats not how its pronounced.
I'm not trying to be mean; I've been following this channel since it was fairly new, but articulation has always been one of FSG's biggest stumbling blocks. BKC's tendency for using words like that only makes FSG's job harder.
7:50 2010 had 3 restricteds per team???
Charge honestly could work if it raised physical defense so it can take more ground type moves
The devs are not competitive players. They don't really have any idea what works in competitive. They can see what was overpowered in the last generation's competitive format but they are bad at anticipating what will be overpowered or ineffective in the next generation.
@@InciniumVGC nah they know, thats why they created abominations like goldengho
Idk about HMs being "unbearable". I kind of liked my team actually serving a purpose outside of battles
recently, I made a set for Swalot, for national dex format, using Rest + Chesto Berry with Belch and it works very well, also using Acid Spray to make Belch more powerfull
+ body press to hit metal types
I mainly remember Round being slapped on 17 whole mons you can get in Dynamax Adventures, the movesets in there sure are bizarre at times.
Regarding the Giga Impact strat, I imagine it's either a joke or someone really misunderstood the drawbacks of recharge vs truant's lost turns. It should also be noted that even the official strategy guides are typically made by a third party so they're very prone to being wrong 🤔
Bad? My Ampharos with Charge always won against my little brother 😎
Round?
Weedletwineedle appears suddenly.
6:59 Slaking using Giga impact is only 2 turns since giga impact's recharge and truant happen on the same turn
Charge’s only good use is in raids, and probably only Tera Raids with Miraidon… where you’re often bringing Miraidon because you want to cheese the boss with a 1 shot without giving it the chance to notice it’s in danger, you don’t set off the triggers for stat wipes or shield activation (these triggers are time or boss hp based). You stack some metal sound drops, use them to activate Throat Spray, put up a Charge, and suddenly it’s reasonable for Miraidon to be hitting the 20x-40x HP the Electric-Weak Boss may have
Its crazy how charge got buffed in gen 9
Not to be that guy, but most competitive slakings run one normal stab+giga impact
No they do not; in fact Double-Edge is usually preferable on these Slakings since it fulfills the same function for a nuke button but with a much less harsh downside.
In fact, the downside can be made an upside when used as a "final attack used at low HP", since if you manage to recoil KO yourself on the same turn as your opponent, that's waaaay better than Giga Impact KOing something and leaving yourself completely exposed on the next turn.
@@breloommaster12I fail to see how recoil is less harsh than not being able to switch for a single turn.
...as do most comp players, apparently.
There’s this one move called “Hold Back”, which is essentially dollar store False Swipe. It could be learned by the Unovan starters, Beldum, Mareep, Celebi, and Munchlax.
Another dumb thing about Belch is its 90 accuracy. That's pretty good accuracy for such a powerful move, but it seems really weird that you can jump through all the hoops necessary to use Belch, then the move just misses anyway.
How I’d buff each type of situation:
-Hyper Beam/Giga Impact would have their charge period removed if a KO is obtained
-Charge would be either a bulk up or calm mind boost based on the Pokémon’s physical and special while also boosting electric moves
-Belch would usable for up to 3 times, making it not a one and nuke attack
-Round would have a built in taunt and torment, shutting down stall
There was also a funny Hydreigon set in Gen 8 to bait Clefable
- Dark Pulse/Dragon Pulse
- Belch
- Nasty Plot
- Substitute
Salad Berry
5 minutes in and BKC is already taking swings
The thing that makes Belch bad isn't the move itself, imo. If anything, I think the move itself could be run quite well. The only problem is control.
Berries, unlike most items in the game, have a very significant flaw, in that they are almost reactively activated, not proactively activated. You have to be hit into a Berry's use range more often than not, and those that don't do this are often extremely committal, like Sub + Petaya/Salac, or Belly Drum + Sitrus.
If there was a way for the berry-user to forcibly activate their own berry's consumption, then I think Belch would become much better as a move.
Say, for example, that a new setup move is added that boosts attack and special attack by 2 stages, but paralyzes the user. By adding a lum berry, you would have a way to activate your own Belch without the need to be statused by an opponent, and the move would become much more usable as a result.
It's not as if there aren't pokemon that would LOVE to use the 120 BP Poison Special move in their aresnal. Hydreigon, the Glow-twins, Toxtricity, Salazzle- hell, even Cacturne might want something to hit fairies hard with. But it's just not able to be consistently used.
Most of these honestly were probably meant for kids to fiddle around in-game...
However... What in Gamefreak's mind made them think that giving signature moves to ZOROARK of all mons was a good idea? At least Hisuian has an amazing one, but Night Daze is literally only 5 points stronger than Dark Pulse LMAO.
5 points stronger than Dark Pulse, but can miss 5% of the time too.
Zorua line was treated like a special pokemon in gen 5 IIRC. They had to give it something unique, but nobody said it had to be good lol
I am quite literally so shocked…
I always thought that the charge thing would only ware off once we switched.
The easiest way to fix belch would be to make it physical, can you imagine that after a belly drum, the gluttony snorlax heals 33% from an aguav berry and is ready to hit you with a +4 base 120 power move?
Is Incineroar a strategy?
Yes, it's called "playing to win"
Every time you read the patron names and read "northropi" I mishear it as "no throat-pie"
round should gain power for each sound based move that was used before it in the turn. starts at 30, gains the attack power of those moves (or 50 if it was a non-damaging move like roar). so the ideal combo is to have a faster pokemon use hyper voice, and then follow up on it with massive damage, or maybe carry an item that blocks roar and retaliate. also plays well with trickroom, since you want to go after the enemy if the also carry the move.
I would love a 3rd episode in this series. If looking for another series to start, how about moves that are great in Competive but bad in playthroughs? Memento is great in Competive due to how important it is to cripple certain set-up Pokemon, but rarely sees play in story playthroughs due to the lack of trainers that do set-up.
Pretty much all debuff moves are useless in playthroughs. Parting Shot, Haze, and all that.
@@ALDO_GOODENS Charm is pretty good. If you have thank on a physically tanky pokemon, no physical move will crack it.
"Once you've done that, you are free to Belch to your hearts content, much to the delight of your roommates and/or your significant other."
Pause.... WHAT?
There are so many Normal moves that are so NOT normal in concept that they definitely need the type check avoided.
Let them to neutral damage to everything. EVEN ghosts. That's the true power of Normal. And some moves need that.
All Charge really needs is to change from a one turn buff either to being stored or a weaker permanent multiplier, maybe add a level of SpecD or Speed. Swalot's moves should go back to not spending the stacks, increase Swallow to 25% per stack, and lower Spit Up damage to 50-75 per stack.
In the next Pokémon game, they should change how these moves work.
Charge can not only boost special defense, but at least give the Pokemon using it three or four instances of empowered electric type attacks.
(100%/75%/50%/25%) or (100%/50%/25%) per move usage, each getting weaker like a battery using up some of its "charge".
So instead of permanently boosting the pokemon until knockout/switch (broken concept, ngl.) it can allow players to set up and hit the enemy team at critical times whenever available, if the Charged/Baton Passed Pokemon is on the battlefield.
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For Belch, I think the mechanic should be changed overall so that works like venoshock or Hex; that it can attack with damage havled (60 base) and max if the berry is used (120). Belch can also force the Pokemon to consume the berry immediately to use the move, if the condition is right.
Meaning some berries won't work at all or sacrificing the berry will give the player "But nothing happned!" text. The change is good for when you step in traps and are still in the green on HP or proccing stat boosting berries to increase your offensive/defensive capabilities.
A personally funny idea would be for a Pokemon suffering from poison status to get the buff without the use of a berry, as some forms of sickness can have belching as a side affect.
Combining berry and poisoning to send it into a terrifying 180 base power move that'll melt the competition.
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I'm not sure what to think about for Round.
Maybe boosting the next attack of the initiator?
Make a special "synchronized" state to boost sound or regular moves afterwards until one of them are Knockout/switch?
I've got nothing...😅
Now i want part 3 😁
12:46 - What if instead of False Swipe Gaming it was Freak Swipe Gaming? 😶
0:01 STILL waiting for “How Good Was Amoonguss Actually”…
The Stockpile moves sound like something that could actually be fun and effective if we end up with a Pokemon that can naturally get one free stockpile every turn.
Giga Impact + Roar sounds like it would be unironically fun in a casual setting
8:22 - I would love to watch the lost original cut.
never used this mon in VGC but in game I had an ampharos who knew charge, discharge, magnet rise, and power gem in soul silver and it was a beast in game. It also had a hasty nature.
As much as I love the move, Me First is not the best move in existence, being a real nuisance to use, because you have to rely on your opponent's move.
My favorite is the designer's intending us to use the overpowered legendaries that completely dominate the end-game and oops I just released it. My bad!
15:30 - Ok... Hear me out, there's a legitimate build that Can make Belch work, even work good to an extent (at the very least surprise factor as most players have no idea one of these moves even exist).
Swalot spec'd into Defense and Special Attack (Ability doesn't really matter, maybe run Sticky Hold to ignore Trick), hold Petaya Berry for +1 SpAtk, use the move Stuffed Cheeks which instantly consumes the user's held berry regardless of its activation conditions And gives a free +2 Defense. (Why have you never heard of this move? Because only Greedent, Swalot, and Oinkologne learn it, and in Gen 8 it was Greedent's Signature Move...)
Now, for attacking options you got Belch of course which now is a 120 BP move boosted with Stab & +1 SpAtk (or you can run Salac Berry for +1 Speed if you're playing in a weaker tier), Body Press to take advantage of the +2 Defense as well defensive build, and Giga Drain or Pain Split for healing and attacking Poison's weaknesses.
Is it great? No, is it usable... 😶 Sure.
For some reason I just hate these thumbnails more and more
i really do like how z-moves made wack coverage a valid strategy. shoutouts to mud-slap moltres and solar beam heatran
My favorite bad dev-intended strategy has to be Wring Out and Crush Grip. They give Wring Out to so many Pokemon but it’s so bad. And then they give a terrible signature move in Crush Grip to Regigigas, of all things.
If Charge was even a version of Calm Mind or Work Up or even just boosted your speed it would actually be an interesting move.
The only time i can think of Round being useful is it gives Gastly a decent special move early on in the alola games lol
12:50
It's okay im experienced 😼
the move round brings me nam flashbacks. playing alot of romhacks and fangames there are a select few who has that 1 battle that focuses on round and it always takes so damn long to get through them
There are Discord channels that basically do free for alls with everyone acting as a Pokemon, Round becomes very powerful when 8 people are doing it
Dude that event horizon cut is legendary 😂
A nice buff for Belch could be making it linked to Leftovers as well as the berries.
I always wondered if Swallow/Spit Up would have some niche applications if they only removed *one* stockpile per use rather than all at once.
Interesting analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
Not sure if this is still true, but one thing about Belch that amuses me greatly is that Gardevoir can get the move via breeding. This dainty little waifu mon demurely eating a berry, only to follow it up with a window shatteringly loud belch never fails to put a smile on my face.
What if an added bonus to belch would be that it was reflexively used as a response to eating your berry?
Belch could be good on, say, a fast special-attacking Poison-type with Unburden. But such a Pokemon doesn't exist.
You only ever see Acrobatics on Pokemon with Unburden anyway.
If I'm not mistaken, you missed one selling point of round. The second Pokémon uses the move right away after the first, bypassing speed stat. Weddletwineedle made a video about it.
hypothetically speaking, you could pair up a belch pokemon in double battles with something like a Greninja with Bestow and acrobatics, then you could swap an item of choice onto the belch user and use acrobatics for the bonus damage... idk why you'd wanna do that though
Teatime+belch strats when??
Stockpile was a good set for swalot in my mono poison type in gen 7. 3x Stockpile with the Z-Move to fully heal is truly nasty and worked well as a Ferrothorn trapper