+1 for the Smittybuilt 2781 (5.65cf/m). 2 years and maybe 20 air ups, still working great. Fun fact: don't grab it with bare hands after filling up in the sun on a hot day...
@@jaytrock3217I agree. 4 wheeling is all about the beer time. The more efficient you are, theres more time for beer while your buddies struggle along. 😂
hotshtsr20 I hit a paintball store next to one of my customers when I'm making a sales call. I'm there every week anyway so I don't even consider it as time used to fill up the tank. I used an electric compressor and tank system in my TJ but went back to the Powertank in my LJ. I'm never going back!
This is why I switched from a PowerTank to an ARB twin. I'd rather spend the time outside at the trailhead than waiting around indoors for a shop to fill my tank.
bill2526 bill2526 You've bought several compressors for the price of one PT AND you have to keep feeding it money (refills). PLUS just the addition of a resevouir tank narrows fill speed between the two to just about even. The instability of CO2 is a completely diff subject, but putting CO2 in tires makes the most out of that instability. HIGHLY DISCOURAGED!
Something I rarely see mentioned is running the air compressor to a tank, which will give you a couple gallons of volume to work with. Just turn it on a couple minutes before the end of a trail, and then when airing up you'll have a system more comparable in speed to the co2 tank. Not as fast but a heck of a lot faster than just a compressor.
I use the dual ARB compressor to fill up my 35's. I am very happy with how it does its job. Two words: ENDLESS AIR. I thought about getting a quick fill air tank but decided I did not want the hassle of adding an extra task to my trail ready to do list and let us not forget the $$ to fill each time. Also, I thought about the possibility of not having quite enough air to fill all 4 tires at the end of a tank cycle while being many miles from home. All things considered, this is why I spent the big bucks on an ARB Twin Motor compressor.
4 tires x 4 fills each per $20 fillup is $1.25 per tire each fillup....that's kinda expensive, especially if you help out someone else for whatever reason.
For those using co2 like my self if you add powertank monster valves to your rims and use the monster air chuck you can air up much faster! Standard valves are a bottle neck!
Hey Brad! I'm running a ARB Single compressor, but the plan is to have that as back up and invest in a Powertank CO2 system! The convenience of filling up four tires in two minutes as opposed to one tire in two minutes is great. Not to mention you can pop the bead back on with a powertank or use it to run power tools!
I have 3 air systems on my TJ. One small ARB compressor (now discontinued) only for my ARB lockers, the second is a Viar that mounted and plumbed-in under the hood with an extra solenoid for the ARB's (just in case), and the third is a Powertank (10lb tank). I'm running 35x12.5x15 KM2's and my fill times are also in about the 2 minute range. It varies a little if I'm shootin'-the-breeze while airing up and get distracted. And everyone is right who says it doesn't matter how fast you are, you're going to be waiting on the slowest guy anyway. In my club, typically after the slowest guy is done we're still shootin'-the-breeze about where to go for dinner, or the next trail, or something else. lol
Viair 88P compressor, 265/70/R17 tires (31"). It takes 17 minutes out of the day to go from 14psi to 35psi. My test begins from when I stop the vehicle and ends when I drive away. It includes unpacking and packing back with nicely wound up cables and hose.
About right. 265/75/16 from 15 to 32 take 2:15 with the 88p. Engine running. Been looking at the smitty built seems a good bit faster but the cfm numbers seem high
I'm running a 10lbs Powertank.I can fill my Falken Wildpeaks 38x13.50r17 LT with monster valves from 8psi to 35psi under a minute. Five times. Only cost me $12.00 to fill at local shop. Not bad I say.
I also have the ARB CKMA12. 8 years, no issues except for the o-rings started to leak a year ago. The replacement o-ring kit is difficult to find, and ARB often does not stock them (meaning the dealers don't have them either). I finally got an o-ring kit last week but it took a month to arrive. I would order one just to have in case you eventually need it. The CKMA draws about 25A, and airs up tires a lot faster when the alternator is running. This, even with dual Odyssey PC1500 group 34M and a Genesis dual battery system. I am curious how running the Jeep would have affected your fill times. FYI I installed a ViAir 2 gallon tank and connected it to the compressor via a 1/4" ViAir stainless steel "leader hose". Then I ran a bumper-mount quick disconnect. Also replaced the plastic ARB locker air supply lines with stainless steel lines after one of the plastic lines melted (common problem ... too close to the exhaust). I'm really happy with the results and just wanted to pass it all along.
Brad, I love my ARB dual. It's fast, it feeds my lockers and it is there all the time, means I do not have to worry about refill or about my back when carrying those.CO2's. Also my trunk is already occupied with my gear so I wouldn't want to make up space for a CO2. My personal psi is 15/28. Great video. Keep 'em coming.
I use the smittybilt but do plan to replace with the dual tank ARB eventually. I addition to the time it takes to fill up the tires you should also consider the time to setup and put away. Add a couple minutes to take out the smittybilt, hook it up and untangle the air hose.
I do have a T-max single piston compressor hardwired in. In between I have an air tank. I use it to run my lockers, in flate my tires, and from time to time run some air powered equipment. Very happy with it!
I'm using a cheapo that came with a slime tire kit. I've used it for around 10 years now, about 4 times a week, and it takes me 14 mins to do all 4 tires
FYI - Most Jeepers that I know that use the very fast Co2 cylinder to inflate their tires after a trail run also carry a back-up dc powered compressor just in case they run out of Co2.
I bought my air compressor thumper MKII from 4wd super centre in Australia for just under $100 AUS, for the money it's fantastic. I have 245 70 17 stock Wrangler tyres. When air up at the end of trails I'm never the last to finish . To be honest I'm not fussed, at least I'm out there on the trails enjoying myself in the WA outback.
Hey guys! I'm using the ARB dual piston built-in air compressor. It take me about 2:45 seconds (if memory serves me right) to fill a 40" tire from 15psi to 36psi. I live the fact that I can also use it to engage my ARB air lockers with it!
Great video! This is the kind of stuff I sit around and calculate, how long I do this or that over a year. I've been trying to figure out the ratio of how much time I spend working on my Jeeps vs how long I spend video taping the work on my Jeeps.
I use a 15lbs Powertank that I bought from my coworker for $300 with accessories included (pressure gauge inflator and hose) and I tell you what it inflates my tires uber fast. I usually drop my 32" Duratrac tires down to 20psi when I off road and inflate them back to 35psi when I hit the pavement. It takes me about 20 sec to inflate each tires. I use to use a cheap harbor freight 150psi portable compressor which took forever to inflate my tires, but now have it as a back up. I would highly recommend investing in a Co2 tank especially if you off Road a lot :)
Nice shoot out video! I have a ARB CKMA12 with 33" tires upgrading to 35" on Jeep bead locks. currently building front n rear JK dana 44 axles with ARB lockers for my 06 LJ
Good video and good comparison. My buddy runs a hard mounted twin ARB. I use a pair of MV-50's that I keep in bags. We both have 37" tires. He has the first tire filled up before I even get the first MV-50 attached to the battery. So a lot of time is saved if you hard mount the compressor (times 2 trips a month each year). And of course when I am done I have to bag them back up, secure them in the back. I recently purchased a twin ARB, I just haven't mounted it yet. It's big and I want it inside the Truck and all of my under seat space is taken so I am getting creative. I am going to get an air tank, just trying to decide on 1 or 2 gallon. When it is all set I am going to try hooking his and mine up to the tank and for fun see if you can cut the time in half with two twin ARB's. At some point the valve stem is going to limit the amount of air you can push through it. I keep a CO2 tank in case I want a quick fill (late night on the trail) or seat a tire. But I will ditch it when I get the ARB twin compressor all hooked up. It's faster on the trail but you do have to go get it filled up. So when you add in removing the tank, taking it to the store, waiting for the refill, installing the tank, much of the time advantage is lost.
It's the York compressor bracket kit ,on board air , looks like you get the a/c mounting bracket and the new serpentine belt, you get an old jeep A/C unit ,turn it to air only ,and install it on the bracket kit ,you can keep your factory a/c too,if you have it. they used to sell it as more of a complete kit.
15lb Powertank to fill up my 37's. It actually lasts a few trips. My local welding supply shop charges $29 per fill. I have it mounted on the rear roll bar. The biggest issue is that a couple of times, I have hit the regulator handle putting it back in the Jeep (on the few times I run with a hard top), and go to use it the next time, and it is empty.
I have a home built c02 bottle kit, cost $205. It cost me $18 to fill up and lasts about 3 months. I can fill up my 33s 6 times from 15 to 35 psi. I've also used it to pop the bead on 2 tires. Its not heavy, the bottle itself is 14lbs and with the 10lbs of c02 it comes to around 25lbs. I just keep a hanging scale and weigh it to know how much I have left.
TrailRecon oh I forgot to mention I have an aluminum bottle, I guess there are steel ones that weigh more, I suggest getting the aluminum one of course lol also another pro of the tank is that if a buddy needs to air up you don't need to move your vehicle to where he is, you can just pop it out of the mount and move it. I had the smittybilt one for about 8 years before it gave up the ghost. I highly recommend it for the price. Thanks for the video, I love these shootouts. Keep on keepin on.
Great vid!!! IMO the ARB dual compressor is the way to go for ease of use, speed, and reliability. CO2 has it's place and advantages but I think the disadvantages outweigh it the pros. With the CO2 tank you have to worry about a way to securely mount it, so a bracket of some sort is necessary which is another added cost. You also have to remember to fill it up before trips so that is also added time. Worst case scenario I would hate to be out on a trail and run out of CO2 because I forgot to fill it up. There is also cost involved in having a place fill it up for you as well, whatever that may be. With a portable or onboard air compressor once you have made the investment you are done with the cost and never have to think about running out of air and filling it up. If you have a compressor mounted somewhere on your vehicle it really is a set-it-and-forget-it maintenance/worry free type of device. IMO that is worth it over the speed of CO2.
If your out wheeling, you should be checking off your list? Includes filling your tank. The ARB twin compressor; for air tools without the extra air tank is a non starter. I SCUBA as much as possible, ocean, quarry, hell i’ve done nasty rivers.. so securing this small tank is not a problem. Air tools, inflate tires on the trail +++. As for the risk of CO2, apparently everyone knows about it; crack a window, or run the recirc on your ventilation system in your rig.
It would be interesting to see a comparison that includes the York compressor setup. York would probably have the highest upfront expense, but likely make up for it in the long run.
On your single, is it possible to use different adapters and inflate bike tires, inner tubes , floaties etc?? I like to take my kids up to the lakes and I need a system which will do my tires as well as outdoor toys. Thanks and keep up great work.
be forewarned about the ARB Dual.... I've had mine fail twice, both a the "crankshaft/piston rod" interface in just a couple years of intermittent use. I'd look elsewhere for better reliability.
I got the smitty bilt $80 option. Its great but man it takes awhile. Im definitely looking into getting the twin system from arb. Very interesting approach in testing out the air compressors
One advantage for co2 over portable compressors is its cool after use, unlike compressor motors are scorching hot so when tossing back in the Jeep you have to be careful.. I bought my smittybilt co2 of a local guy for $150 brand new. I also have a viar for back up.
Also, NO parts/motors to wear out and easily can swap over to other vehicles or to use an impact gun on other projects around the house/farm. Powertank 10 pounder here, only 12 bucks to refill at the local fire extinguisher shop. Fills each of my 285/75R16 Goodyear MTR's about 4 times. Nice to have the extra power to bust off stubborn lugs in the middle of nowhere too!
@@xmo552 There is no reason to consider any compressor even the ARB dual when the CO2 tank flows so much higher volume. The ARB dual flows 4.66CFM @29PSI and the CO2 tank with a 250PSI regulator flows 45CFM @120PSI!!!
You can attach a tank to the ARB single piston compressor as well, not just the dual piston. Great video. I'm currently running the ARB single piston compressor.
I am getting ARB lockers on my '18 Sahara. I also opted for the twin cylinder compressor. I was wondering how long would it take to inflate 4 tires at once like I saw on another one of your videos. That might be almost as fast as the bottle system? That would be a good shootout. BTW my tires are 35"s.
I just bought the Portable Twin Version and the inflator and the Air Accessory bag to add to my Single High Output, Love ARB products. and I have a heap more ARB Gear.
Love that tank, but knowing me i will forget to refill or run out halfway through inflating a tire, LOL The convenience of the on board system is worth the price for me.
Were the air lines all the same size? The Smittybuilt looks smaller in diameter to the ARB. Also curious if you had the truck on when running the smitty.
I have the older jeep A/C Air compressor ,made into air compressor ,mounted to engine , its Super fast,you should add it to your video ! They sell them at quadratec
You gotta love the speed of the co2 bottle, but I don't think the speed advantage outweighs it's disadvantages: 1) Have to go refill it 2) it is fairly big and heavy 3) it takes up space in the interior 4) needs to be properly secured after each use 5) you will still be waiting for others in your group to finish airing up anyway. The price of the ARB Dual isn't cheap, but it's probably the best option for me.
Awesome bracket! But that $82 price tag needs to be taken into consideration when weighing the different options. I actually do think that looks pretty cool back there.
What PSI was that CO2 tank at when you made this video? I am trying to build an onboard air system with a tank so trying to determine which size tank I should go with. 2.5 gallon at 200psi is looking like my option at the moment.
Try a Puma if you do another shootout test. ~$260, 3,5 CFM, 1hp (peak), 150 PSI with a 1.5 Gallon tank. Pretty popular with my crowd. Tad larger than the other models tho.
I’ve been using the harbor freight Pittsburg 150psi alligator clip 12v for my second summer, it gets the job done but it’s about 5 min a tire to go from 18-42 psi. I have a 20 ram 1500 w 275/65/20 about a 34in tire, Cooper discover rugged treks , I def spend about 25 min to setup/pump n put away each time, about 2 maybe 3 times a month to the beach but only 5 months year, would like the arb system tho but $$$$
I'd probably get the ARB dual piston although I like how fast the bottle fills the tires but, i wouldn't know how to build that myself and I'll also have to worry about securing it inside the vehicle. Great comparison, thank you very much!
Running a York air compressor into a 5 gal. air tank. It runs air tools, is super fast and no trips to refill it. But I still spend time waiting for my buddies to air theirs up so it really doesn't matter. :)
Information wan't really surprising, but what the real question should be is dollar value vs time. The ARB dual is obviosluy a great solution but would the CO2 version work out better for the casual guy instead?
Hi Brad, thanks for this perfect and timely comparison. I now feel I am finally informed enough to purchase the right option for me. I also appreciate the comment made about only being as fast as your buddies. I settled on your choice as it is a lightweight and permanently installed solution. I might have opted for the dual cylinder for the extra utility but I already purchased a Milwaukee cordless impact driver. I was leaning towards CO2 until I saw your video and read the comments. Great job!
Everyone said the twin is the way to go with 37s. Two and a half minutes from 10 psi to 35 PSI on a 37s. Everyone said get the twin and I want to be able to hook up the air Chuck to the bumper. I've seen some do that I wonder how they do they do that do you know ?
If you forget to weigh your CO2 tank to see how much is left you don’t need to be “Overlanding” also the CO2 tank can be stored in any orientation you want. Just needs to be vertical when using it. It’s a great cheaper option if you can’t afford an ARB compressor and don’t wheel hard enough to warrant air lockers. I’d love to have an ARB dual but between the LC and the Tacoma I needed a portable option. One of the kids calls or a family member with tire trouble, I grab the tank and go. It works for us. I have scored more free beer by being the CO2 tank guy and filling other peoples tires too. YMMV
How much air pressure goes into the CO2 tanks? I have one that I want to use but trying to figure out a proper Guage for the tank so I know when to refill and know max air pressure when filling. My tank is rated at 2000 psi. Was an oxygen air tank from fire fighting equipment
I dunno. I realize this is old, but I’m not sold on the CO2 method. Your calculation of time spent with that method seems off, because you completely neglected the time spend charging the tank. With compressors, that time is concurrent with use. If you figure that it, the CO2 method is probably the slowest by a long shot.
I have the 2780 and I tried taking the tires from 5 lbs to 30 lbs one night last week in the Canadian cold and it overheated half way through the fourth tire. Another good option would be the Viair 400p.
I am aiming at the Smittybilt 5.65 CFM which here in Canada sales for 214$ CAD. Wondering if Smittybilt will last more than a year though... I'm running 35x12.5R17 AMP M/T. Thanks for the vid!
This is a very interesting concept however I think there is a flaw in your findings, since I do not believe the compressors will operate consistently on all 4 tires and you will have to wait for an overheated unit to cool down before doing the next tire. The proper test is to actually inflate all 4 tires and then compare the results. I bet the results will be very different from your calculations.
These times arent really accurate cause i find the the compressor starts pumping slower (most of then) cause they got so hot that they take longer... cause i noticed the first tire and the second is always the fastest and the last 2 always take longer...
I have never timed my AC conversion. It is faster than most electric setups. Inflation time can also be decreased with an engine idle speed control. I run an Air Zenith on my tow rig for tire inflation and exhaust brake control. Air Zenith is a little much for most Offroad rigs. It has about 50amp surge to turn on with 35amp continuous draw.
CO2 systems are the bomb... I know this is an old post, but I think a new comparo would do very well as a video. The three missing from this test are a homebuilt CO2, the gold standard - ViAir 400P and the classic overperforming value option... the Masterflow -Tsunami MS1050 (which is what I use... Kills the Smittybilt for 1/3 the price).
I haven’t aired down in close to 4 years (moved away from a beach I can drive on). Still watching the video and thinking about buying an air compressor. Haha
Great video...but takes into account actual inflation time only and not the time it takes to move from tire to tire. I still use a portable but will be installing ARB twin soon. Meantime l use a Speedflate 4 chuck system which allows my cheap pump to inflate 4 tires at once. Takes 13 mins to go from 15 to 32 psi but I get to chill during that time. Can't wait to get the ARB!
No need to waste your $$ nor time with any compressor, even the ARB twin - just get a10 lb CO2 tank! ARB twin flows 4.66 CFM @29 PSI CO2 tank flows 45 CFM @120 PSI. not even close!!!
Interesting, but you also have to account for the set up time of each system. Taking a compressor out of the bag and hooking it up to your battery takes more time than all the rest.
I know a couple guys that run their ARB's to a four-tire line, but don't think I've seen anyone do it with CO2. You have to use high pressure lines with CO2, so they would have to have a custom setup I think.
Like the Hurricane that Overclocked CPO uses? I was thinking about a 2-gallon compressed air tank that's been prefilled by the compressor, rather than a CO2 tank. But either would be really cool to see. Also, why would you need high-pressure lines post-regulator? That air is at a normal tire-filling pressure, isn't it?
I have the smittybilt but I only use it probably 2-3 times a year. I was thinking of hard wiring it and adding a 5 or 7 pound tank, any thoughts on that from anyone?
TheUnorthodoxx lol. I paid for package C. $575. Or so and monster valves where additional $150 $850 when all set and done. Lil pricey but well worth it.
TheUnorthodoxx lol. I paid for package C. $575. Or so and monster valves where additional $150 $850 when all set and done. Lil pricey but well worth it.
Great comparison; thanks for sharing it! I've been set on a dual-ARB system, but that CO2 tank is a strong argument against it. If I had a Rubicon's e-lockers, it'd be a slam dunk!
I must be the only one using a battery powered AC. I have 2 24V tools and several batteries and chargers so I bought a matching 24v compressor only, super cheap. Just over 3min to fill my 32's and 4 tires doesn't even dent the battery charge. A big plus is the built in pressure regulator, I can attach the hose and walk away, come back in few and it's a done deal. No setup time, remove from bag and push button. It has a .5 gal storage tank.
For me, it's the ARB Twin, does a great job with more options, plus I don't have to fill it periodically.
+1 for the Smittybuilt 2781 (5.65cf/m). 2 years and maybe 20 air ups, still working great. Fun fact: don't grab it with bare hands after filling up in the sun on a hot day...
Your only as fast as your buddies. Even if you have the fastest setup, your still going to wait around for everyone else.
I see your point, but I also get tired of being on my knees, or squatting down hunched over a tire.
Gives you more beer time.
@@jaytrock3217I agree. 4 wheeling is all about the beer time. The more efficient you are, theres more time for beer while your buddies struggle along. 😂
@@jaytrock3217 Did you just admit to drinking and driving?
"Yes officer, this man right here!"
True but you can pull up next to your buddy with the POS air system and help him so that you get on the road faster.
Don't forget the include the ~3 hours a year (1 trip/2 months, 30 minutes round trip) to refill the tank. :)
LOL! Yep, great point!
hotshtsr20 I hit a paintball store next to one of my customers when I'm making a sales call. I'm there every week anyway so I don't even consider it as time used to fill up the tank. I used an electric compressor and tank system in my TJ but went back to the Powertank in my LJ. I'm never going back!
and how much time will it cost when you refill you're tires for the third or fourth time when the pressure in the tank is lower.
This is why I switched from a PowerTank to an ARB twin. I'd rather spend the time outside at the trailhead than waiting around indoors for a shop to fill my tank.
bill2526 bill2526
You've bought several compressors for the price of one PT AND you have to keep feeding it money (refills).
PLUS just the addition of a resevouir tank narrows fill speed between the two to just about even.
The instability of CO2 is a completely diff subject, but putting CO2 in tires makes the most out of that instability. HIGHLY DISCOURAGED!
Something I rarely see mentioned is running the air compressor to a tank, which will give you a couple gallons of volume to work with. Just turn it on a couple minutes before the end of a trail, and then when airing up you'll have a system more comparable in speed to the co2 tank. Not as fast but a heck of a lot faster than just a compressor.
I use the dual ARB compressor to fill up my 35's. I am very happy with how it does its job. Two words: ENDLESS AIR. I thought about getting a quick fill air tank but decided I did not want the hassle of adding an extra task to my trail ready to do list and let us not forget the $$ to fill each time. Also, I thought about the possibility of not having quite enough air to fill all 4 tires at the end of a tank cycle while being many miles from home. All things considered, this is why I spent the big bucks on an ARB Twin Motor compressor.
4 tires x 4 fills each per $20 fillup is $1.25 per tire each fillup....that's kinda expensive, especially if you help out someone else for whatever reason.
The co2 was impressively fast! Not sure I'd want another errand though when it comes time for a refill. But still cool system he built.
I surely don't have time to run around filling a bottle up and inevitably I'd forget! LOL!
For those using co2 like my self if you add powertank monster valves to your rims and use the monster air chuck you can air up much faster! Standard valves are a bottle neck!
Hey Brad! I'm running a ARB Single compressor, but the plan is to have that as back up and invest in a Powertank CO2 system! The convenience of filling up four tires in two minutes as opposed to one tire in two minutes is great. Not to mention you can pop the bead back on with a powertank or use it to run power tools!
Oh man, I totally forgot to mention the benefit of popping a bead back on.. huge advantage! Thank you!
I have 3 air systems on my TJ. One small ARB compressor (now discontinued) only for my ARB lockers, the second is a Viar that mounted and plumbed-in under the hood with an extra solenoid for the ARB's (just in case), and the third is a Powertank (10lb tank).
I'm running 35x12.5x15 KM2's and my fill times are also in about the 2 minute range. It varies a little if I'm shootin'-the-breeze while airing up and get distracted.
And everyone is right who says it doesn't matter how fast you are, you're going to be waiting on the slowest guy anyway. In my club, typically after the slowest guy is done we're still shootin'-the-breeze about where to go for dinner, or the next trail, or something else. lol
You are 100% right, we never just air up and bounce... always hanging out and talking about the days events with everyone.
Viair 88P compressor, 265/70/R17 tires (31"). It takes 17 minutes out of the day to go from 14psi to 35psi. My test begins from when I stop the vehicle and ends when I drive away. It includes unpacking and packing back with nicely wound up cables and hose.
About right. 265/75/16 from 15 to 32 take 2:15 with the 88p. Engine running. Been looking at the smitty built seems a good bit faster but the cfm numbers seem high
I've been debating between getting a 15lb Powertank and ARBs compressor - so this is super helpful. Much appreciated!
I'm running a 10lbs Powertank.I can fill my Falken Wildpeaks 38x13.50r17 LT with monster valves from 8psi to 35psi under a minute. Five times. Only cost me $12.00 to fill at local shop. Not bad I say.
How many times can you refill your tires from the 10lb tank before you need to refill the tank and can you run air tools effectively and for how long?
Barry kimbro I can fill my tires 5 times. Runs impact and air tools pretty good. But to be honest I always carry a electric impact as well. .
That's seriously fast for 38's! Thanks for sharing your numbers!
TrailRecon what's your email I'll send you sum pictures. Check your DM on IG.
Nice video! I'm interested to try the monster valves, although I never air up so not sure how much it would help...
I have the ARB single piston one. I'm happy with it. But, I only have the stock tires right now.
I also have the ARB CKMA12. 8 years, no issues except for the o-rings started to leak a year ago. The replacement o-ring kit is difficult to find, and ARB often does not stock them (meaning the dealers don't have them either). I finally got an o-ring kit last week but it took a month to arrive. I would order one just to have in case you eventually need it.
The CKMA draws about 25A, and airs up tires a lot faster when the alternator is running. This, even with dual Odyssey PC1500 group 34M and a Genesis dual battery system. I am curious how running the Jeep would have affected your fill times.
FYI I installed a ViAir 2 gallon tank and connected it to the compressor via a 1/4" ViAir stainless steel "leader hose". Then I ran a bumper-mount quick disconnect. Also replaced the plastic ARB locker air supply lines with stainless steel lines after one of the plastic lines melted (common problem ... too close to the exhaust). I'm really happy with the results and just wanted to pass it all along.
Brad, I love my ARB dual. It's fast, it feeds my lockers and it is there all the time, means I do not have to worry about refill or about my back when carrying those.CO2's. Also my trunk is already occupied with my gear so I wouldn't want to make up space for a CO2. My personal psi is 15/28. Great video. Keep 'em coming.
I'm seriously considering upgrading to the dual and putting the single in the XJ since it has smaller tires. Thanks!
I use the smittybilt but do plan to replace with the dual tank ARB eventually. I addition to the time it takes to fill up the tires you should also consider the time to setup and put away. Add a couple minutes to take out the smittybilt, hook it up and untangle the air hose.
Set up time is an excellent thing to consider, I pop my hood and plug in with the ARB...very fast.
Would have liked to see one of the ARB or a Viair system with a storage bottle. I bet that they compare to the CO2 times.
I do have a T-max single piston compressor hardwired in. In between I have an air tank. I use it to run my lockers, in flate my tires, and from time to time run some air powered equipment. Very happy with it!
Sounds like a solid setup!
I'm using a cheapo that came with a slime tire kit. I've used it for around 10 years now, about 4 times a week, and it takes me 14 mins to do all 4 tires
Wow, they built that one well!
Mine been runing since 2012, sometimes no longer stays attached to the tire while inflating but keeps on saving my butt
With 35's?
4 times a week? Why?
FYI - Most Jeepers that I know that use the very fast Co2 cylinder to inflate their tires after a trail run also carry a back-up dc powered compressor just in case they run out of Co2.
Great point, thank you!
There is no running out of CO2 if you weigh the tank to see how much is left. If in doubt, just fill it or get a second tank.
It does not come much better with reality checks. Much better than boring lab-tests.
Awesome! Thanks Brad.
Cheers from Sweden
I bought my air compressor thumper MKII from 4wd super centre in Australia for just under $100 AUS, for the money it's fantastic. I have 245 70 17 stock Wrangler tyres. When air up at the end of trails I'm never the last to finish . To be honest I'm not fussed, at least I'm out there on the trails enjoying myself in the WA outback.
You are 100% spot on... at the end of the day, it's all about being out on the trail and having epic adventures!
Hey guys! I'm using the ARB dual piston built-in air compressor. It take me about 2:45 seconds (if memory serves me right) to fill a 40" tire from 15psi to 36psi.
I live the fact that I can also use it to engage my ARB air lockers with it!
So if I"m not mistaken the Co2 system will cost you 120 bucks a year of recharge on top of the initial 230 Bucks to setup ... ?
Great video! This is the kind of stuff I sit around and calculate, how long I do this or that over a year. I've been trying to figure out the ratio of how much time I spend working on my Jeeps vs how long I spend video taping the work on my Jeeps.
I don't even want to know how much time I spend in my garage... although my wife could probably tell you! LOL! Thanks!
I use a 15lbs Powertank that I bought from my coworker for $300 with accessories included (pressure gauge inflator and hose) and I tell you what it inflates my tires uber fast. I usually drop my 32" Duratrac tires down to 20psi when I off road and inflate them back to 35psi when I hit the pavement. It takes me about 20 sec to inflate each tires. I use to use a cheap harbor freight 150psi portable compressor which took forever to inflate my tires, but now have it as a back up. I would highly recommend investing in a Co2 tank especially if you off Road a lot :)
Great information and having a back up for a CO2 system is also something that shouldn't be overlooked. Thanks!
Nice shoot out video! I have a ARB CKMA12 with 33" tires upgrading to 35" on Jeep bead locks. currently building front n rear JK dana 44 axles with ARB lockers for my 06 LJ
You'll be very happy going up to those 35's and dana 44's are the way to go. Thanks!
Nice to see a review on compressors. I use a 300bar dive tank.
Good video and good comparison. My buddy runs a hard mounted twin ARB. I use a pair of MV-50's that I keep in bags. We both have 37" tires. He has the first tire filled up before I even get the first MV-50 attached to the battery. So a lot of time is saved if you hard mount the compressor (times 2 trips a month each year). And of course when I am done I have to bag them back up, secure them in the back. I recently purchased a twin ARB, I just haven't mounted it yet. It's big and I want it inside the Truck and all of my under seat space is taken so I am getting creative. I am going to get an air tank, just trying to decide on 1 or 2 gallon. When it is all set I am going to try hooking his and mine up to the tank and for fun see if you can cut the time in half with two twin ARB's. At some point the valve stem is going to limit the amount of air you can push through it.
I keep a CO2 tank in case I want a quick fill (late night on the trail) or seat a tire. But I will ditch it when I get the ARB twin compressor all hooked up. It's faster on the trail but you do have to go get it filled up. So when you add in removing the tank, taking it to the store, waiting for the refill, installing the tank, much of the time advantage is lost.
It's the York compressor bracket kit ,on board air , looks like you get the a/c mounting bracket and the new serpentine belt, you get an old jeep A/C unit ,turn it to air only ,and install it on the bracket kit ,you can keep your factory a/c too,if you have it. they used to sell it as more of a complete kit.
15lb Powertank to fill up my 37's. It actually lasts a few trips. My local welding supply shop charges $29 per fill. I have it mounted on the rear roll bar. The biggest issue is that a couple of times, I have hit the regulator handle putting it back in the Jeep (on the few times I run with a hard top), and go to use it the next time, and it is empty.
I'd be pretty frustrated if I went to fill up my tires and no air... great information, thank you!!
I have a home built c02 bottle kit, cost $205. It cost me $18 to fill up and lasts about 3 months. I can fill up my 33s 6 times from 15 to 35 psi. I've also used it to pop the bead on 2 tires. Its not heavy, the bottle itself is 14lbs and with the 10lbs of c02 it comes to around 25lbs. I just keep a hanging scale and weigh it to know how much I have left.
Right on, thank you for sharing!
TrailRecon oh I forgot to mention I have an aluminum bottle, I guess there are steel ones that weigh more, I suggest getting the aluminum one of course lol also another pro of the tank is that if a buddy needs to air up you don't need to move your vehicle to where he is, you can just pop it out of the mount and move it. I had the smittybilt one for about 8 years before it gave up the ghost. I highly recommend it for the price. Thanks for the video, I love these shootouts. Keep on keepin on.
I guess it justifies having a beer when inflating. Just so you don't waste your time. You know.
Great upgrade to ARB dual comp but: the spod where go? You mount a bracket where before was the panel with rele?!
Great vid!!! IMO the ARB dual compressor is the way to go for ease of use, speed, and reliability. CO2 has it's place and advantages but I think the disadvantages outweigh it the pros. With the CO2 tank you have to worry about a way to securely mount it, so a bracket of some sort is necessary which is another added cost. You also have to remember to fill it up before trips so that is also added time. Worst case scenario I would hate to be out on a trail and run out of CO2 because I forgot to fill it up. There is also cost involved in having a place fill it up for you as well, whatever that may be. With a portable or onboard air compressor once you have made the investment you are done with the cost and never have to think about running out of air and filling it up. If you have a compressor mounted somewhere on your vehicle it really is a set-it-and-forget-it maintenance/worry free type of device. IMO that is worth it over the speed of CO2.
Great comments and completely agree... love having onboard air.
If your out wheeling, you should be checking off your list? Includes filling your tank. The ARB twin compressor; for air tools without the extra air tank is a non starter. I SCUBA as much as possible, ocean, quarry, hell i’ve done nasty rivers.. so securing this small tank is not a problem. Air tools, inflate tires on the trail +++. As for the risk of CO2, apparently everyone knows about it; crack a window, or run the recirc on your ventilation system in your rig.
It would be interesting to see a comparison that includes the York compressor setup. York would probably have the highest upfront expense, but likely make up for it in the long run.
On your single, is it possible to use different adapters and inflate bike tires, inner tubes , floaties etc?? I like to take my kids up to the lakes and I need a system which will do my tires as well as outdoor toys. Thanks and keep up great work.
be forewarned about the ARB Dual.... I've had mine fail twice, both a the "crankshaft/piston rod" interface in just a couple years of intermittent use. I'd look elsewhere for better reliability.
I got the smitty bilt $80 option. Its great but man it takes awhile. Im definitely looking into getting the twin system from arb. Very interesting approach in testing out the air compressors
Thank you!
One advantage for co2 over portable compressors is its cool after use, unlike compressor motors are scorching hot so when tossing back in the Jeep you have to be careful.. I bought my smittybilt co2 of a local guy for $150 brand new. I also have a viar for back up.
I have said a few choice words more thank once burning my hand.... great point!
Also, NO parts/motors to wear out and easily can swap over to other vehicles or to use an impact gun on other projects around the house/farm.
Powertank 10 pounder here, only 12 bucks to refill at the local fire extinguisher shop.
Fills each of my 285/75R16 Goodyear MTR's about 4 times.
Nice to have the extra power to bust off stubborn lugs in the middle of nowhere too!
need to show a vid how to build a co2 tank
Great idea!
besides a co2 tank, there is also those of us who carry (when scuba diving) spare tanks with tire fill values, in case we need them..
@@xmo552 There is no reason to consider any compressor even the ARB dual when the CO2 tank flows so much higher volume. The ARB dual flows 4.66CFM @29PSI and the CO2 tank with a 250PSI regulator flows 45CFM @120PSI!!!
@@xmo552 The copressor rate of inflation should not change but will take longer as you are inflating 4 tires instead of 1.
Why did you not use the same gauge for consistency? What does it matter that it has it's own gauge?
I think cause the smittybilt screws onto the valve stem so you cant use the ARB gauge.
You can attach a tank to the ARB single piston compressor as well, not just the dual piston. Great video. I'm currently running the ARB single piston compressor.
I am getting ARB lockers on my '18 Sahara. I also opted for the twin cylinder compressor. I was wondering how long would it take to inflate 4 tires at once like I saw on another one of your videos. That might be almost as fast as the bottle system? That would be a good shootout. BTW my tires are 35"s.
I just bought the Portable Twin Version and the inflator and the Air Accessory bag to add to my Single High Output, Love ARB products. and I have a heap more ARB Gear.
ARB makes good stuff for sure!
Think you could also use the DIY Co2 inflator system for setting up tubeless bike tires?
You could probably use a paintball tank which is also co2. It would be much smaller but how much air does a bike tire have lol
Love that tank, but knowing me i will forget to refill or run out halfway through inflating a tire, LOL
The convenience of the on board system is worth the price for me.
Were the air lines all the same size? The Smittybuilt looks smaller in diameter to the ARB. Also curious if you had the truck on when running the smitty.
I have the older jeep A/C Air compressor ,made into air compressor ,mounted to engine , its Super fast,you should add it to your video !
They sell them at quadratec
You gotta love the speed of the co2 bottle, but I don't think the speed advantage outweighs it's disadvantages: 1) Have to go refill it 2) it is fairly big and heavy 3) it takes up space in the interior 4) needs to be properly secured after each use 5) you will still be waiting for others in your group to finish airing up anyway.
The price of the ARB Dual isn't cheap, but it's probably the best option for me.
I would agree the dual seems like the best bet
Great point about the storage and having to properly secure it... can't have it rolling around the back of your rig Thank you!
How is refilling a non-issue? Maybe it is for you, but it certainly seems like an extra inconvenience to me. How do you secure your tank?
That is a nice way to secure it. I looked at the Springrtail Solutions website but I did not see that bracket?
Awesome bracket! But that $82 price tag needs to be taken into consideration when weighing the different options. I actually do think that looks pretty cool back there.
What PSI was that CO2 tank at when you made this video? I am trying to build an onboard air system with a tank so trying to determine which size tank I should go with. 2.5 gallon at 200psi is looking like my option at the moment.
Wild Expedition did you build the system? If so, what pressure reduction valve did you use?
I like the double air compresor concept . It fast and fited well under the hood.
how about an update with your friends "all four tire fill at same time hookups"?
Try a Puma if you do another shootout test. ~$260, 3,5 CFM, 1hp (peak), 150 PSI with a 1.5 Gallon tank. Pretty popular with my crowd. Tad larger than the other models tho.
I’ve been using the harbor freight Pittsburg 150psi alligator clip 12v for my second summer, it gets the job done but it’s about 5 min a tire to go from 18-42 psi. I have a 20 ram 1500 w 275/65/20 about a 34in tire, Cooper discover rugged treks , I def spend about 25 min to setup/pump n put away each time, about 2 maybe 3 times a month to the beach but only 5 months year, would like the arb system tho but $$$$
I'd probably get the ARB dual piston although I like how fast the bottle fills the tires but, i wouldn't know how to build that myself and I'll also have to worry about securing it inside the vehicle. Great comparison, thank you very much!
Running a York air compressor into a 5 gal. air tank. It runs air tools, is super fast and no trips to refill it. But I still spend time waiting for my buddies to air theirs up so it really doesn't matter. :)
S Christiansen how long does it take to fill your tires?
Information wan't really surprising, but what the real question should be is dollar value vs time. The ARB dual is obviosluy a great solution but would the CO2 version work out better for the casual guy instead?
Hi Brad, thanks for this perfect and timely comparison. I now feel I am finally informed enough to purchase the right option for me. I also appreciate the comment made about only being as fast as your buddies. I settled on your choice as it is a lightweight and permanently installed solution. I might have opted for the dual cylinder for the extra utility but I already purchased a Milwaukee cordless impact driver. I was leaning towards CO2 until I saw your video and read the comments. Great job!
Everyone said the twin is the way to go with 37s. Two and a half minutes from 10 psi to 35 PSI on a 37s. Everyone said get the twin and I want to be able to hook up the air Chuck to the bumper. I've seen some do that I wonder how they do they do that do you know ?
If you forget to weigh your CO2 tank to see how much is left you don’t need to be “Overlanding” also the CO2 tank can be stored in any orientation you want. Just needs to be vertical when using it. It’s a great cheaper option if you can’t afford an ARB compressor and don’t wheel hard enough to warrant air lockers. I’d love to have an ARB dual but between the LC and the Tacoma I needed a portable option.
One of the kids calls or a family member with tire trouble, I grab the tank and go. It works for us.
I have scored more free beer by being the CO2 tank guy and filling other peoples tires too. YMMV
Can you run air lockers off of a portable tank if you plumb hoses inside the cabin for it?
York 210 compressor, Belt driven. 3 gallon tank. Runs all air tools, and inflates 39.5 " tires from 4-6 psi to 26 psi in under 15 seconds.
Hi, Great videos I got a question
Will the compressors overheat or get so hot that they need to cool of after tire 3 and 4 just wondering
I’ve got the MV50 and it’s fantastic. Only $60 and it gets me 15->35 psi in about 3.5 min.
Crack open and beer and talk to your buddies
Yes very cool. I think I would love to build that compressed tank. Awesome video
How do you like your STT Pro's? I'm having a Hell of a time getting mine balanced. This will be the third time in my first 500 miles.
How much air pressure goes into the CO2 tanks? I have one that I want to use but trying to figure out a proper Guage for the tank so I know when to refill and know max air pressure when filling. My tank is rated at 2000 psi. Was an oxygen air tank from fire fighting equipment
I dunno. I realize this is old, but I’m not sold on the CO2 method. Your calculation of time spent with that method seems off, because you completely neglected the time spend charging the tank. With compressors, that time is concurrent with use. If you figure that it, the CO2 method is probably the slowest by a long shot.
Any experience out there with the bullydog winch company's air compressor? Looks similar to the Smittybuilt one here.
I have the 2780 and I tried taking the tires from 5 lbs to 30 lbs one night last week in the Canadian cold and it overheated half way through the fourth tire. Another good option would be the Viair 400p.
My last cheap Slime compressor use to overheat all the time. Glad I finally upgraded. Viair is a great option and I know many that use it. Thanks!
I have the arb twin with a 4 gallon tank and it fills all 4 at the same time....super fast setuup but $$$$$
what size tires?
Just getting into overlanding... would you say the smittybilt is worth it? Or should I just go with a more expensive option right off the bat?
Are you sure that was a 2781? They say it’s supposed to put down 5.65 CFM but that single piston ARB stomped it.. at about half the “rated” CFM.
What you think if VIAIR, Audew, Husky, etc compared to this one?
I am aiming at the Smittybilt 5.65 CFM which here in Canada sales for 214$ CAD. Wondering if Smittybilt will last more than a year though... I'm running 35x12.5R17 AMP M/T. Thanks for the vid!
For the price, I hope it holds up for longer than a year. Thanks!
Mat Dubé I had mine for 8 years before it went out on me.
760rudogg good to know. Choice made then!
This is a very interesting concept however I think there is a flaw in your findings, since I do not believe the compressors will operate consistently on all 4 tires and you will have to wait for an overheated unit to cool down before doing the next tire.
The proper test is to actually inflate all 4 tires and then compare the results.
I bet the results will be very different from your calculations.
That's an interesting point. I will say that I've filled up 12 tires all at once with my single ARB with no overheating issues.
i have a VIAIR 450p that has filled up a 4 37s, 8 35s, and 4 33s, and it did not stop. very impressed with my viair
The c02 bottle will slow down dramatically on the 4th tire. To get a somewhat reasonable measurement you should have filled all 4 tires!
CO2 is in liquid form and maintains it pressure consistently, an air filled tank however will loose pressure as it gets used.
I have single arb, also a 5lb and 20lbs co2 kit depending on trip
Many options... I like it!
I wonder what the pressure do you fill the gas bottle, 120 PSI?
@@ods12ca bottles are filled at an airgas faculty and it's liquid co2 and the regular converts it to a gas so not at all like the way your thinking
These times arent really accurate cause i find the the compressor starts pumping slower (most of then) cause they got so hot that they take longer... cause i noticed the first tire and the second is always the fastest and the last 2 always take longer...
I'm planning an a/c conversation for my xj. Any idea how fast that would air up tires?
I've heard of folks doing this and would be curious to know how well it performs as well.
I have never timed my AC conversion. It is faster than most electric setups. Inflation time can also be decreased with an engine idle speed control. I run an Air Zenith on my tow rig for tire inflation and exhaust brake control. Air Zenith is a little much for most Offroad rigs. It has about 50amp surge to turn on with 35amp continuous draw.
Thanks for this. I appreciate you sharing this! About to buy one.
Should try the via heavy duty onboard air system.
i was thinking of getting that smittybilt one, but after seeing that home made one... I don't know !!! great video dude !!! keep up the good work !!!
The Smittybilt one is still a good option... my old cheapo one took 4 minutes to fill a tire!. Thank you!
CO2 systems are the bomb... I know this is an old post, but I think a new comparo would do very well as a video. The three missing from this test are a homebuilt CO2, the gold standard - ViAir 400P and the classic overperforming value option... the Masterflow -Tsunami MS1050 (which is what I use... Kills the Smittybilt for 1/3 the price).
I haven’t aired down in close to 4 years (moved away from a beach I can drive on). Still watching the video and thinking about buying an air compressor. Haha
Great video...but takes into account actual inflation time only and not the time it takes to move from tire to tire. I still use a portable but will be installing ARB twin soon. Meantime l use a Speedflate 4 chuck system which allows my cheap pump to inflate 4 tires at once. Takes 13 mins to go from 15 to 32 psi but I get to chill during that time. Can't wait to get the ARB!
No need to waste your $$ nor time with any compressor, even the ARB twin - just get a10 lb CO2 tank!
ARB twin flows 4.66 CFM @29 PSI
CO2 tank flows 45 CFM @120 PSI. not even close!!!
Exactly what I was looking for! Thanks!
Interesting, but you also have to account for the set up time of each system. Taking a compressor out of the bag and hooking it up to your battery takes more time than all the rest.
I would be really interested to see how an air tank affects a four-tire fill time.
I know a couple guys that run their ARB's to a four-tire line, but don't think I've seen anyone do it with CO2. You have to use high pressure lines with CO2, so they would have to have a custom setup I think.
Like the Hurricane that Overclocked CPO uses?
I was thinking about a 2-gallon compressed air tank that's been prefilled by the compressor, rather than a CO2 tank. But either would be really cool to see.
Also, why would you need high-pressure lines post-regulator? That air is at a normal tire-filling pressure, isn't it?
I have the ViAir 2 gallon tank connected to my ARB CKMA12. It does help to a small degree.
I have the smittybilt but I only use it probably 2-3 times a year.
I was thinking of hard wiring it and adding a 5 or 7 pound tank, any thoughts on that from anyone?
A 5 or 7 pound tank would be a nice addition!
Where does your buddy refill his co2? Also in SD Im paying $40
Very interesting but what is the cost including the CO2 refills per month?
TheUnorthodoxx It cost me $12.00 every month and half. To fill my Powertank 10lbs.
MiGi So total cost for this system is about $374.
TheUnorthodoxx lol. I paid for package C. $575. Or so and monster valves where additional $150 $850 when all set and done. Lil pricey but well worth it.
TheUnorthodoxx lol. I paid for package C. $575. Or so and monster valves where additional $150 $850 when all set and done. Lil pricey but well worth it.
MiGi Oh, for the Powertank... the home built them costs about $374.
Great comparison; thanks for sharing it! I've been set on a dual-ARB system, but that CO2 tank is a strong argument against it. If I had a Rubicon's e-lockers, it'd be a slam dunk!
Really like the dual ARB as well!
Can you tell me the correct tire pressure for a 35-inch tire? The current tire pressure of my tire is 44PSI.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE VIDEOS.. IF I WANTED TO DO ALL FOUR TIRES AT THE SAME TIME WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE??
NO!
Hello Brad, what compressor did you install and where did you install it in your JL EcoDiesel?
I must be the only one using a battery powered AC. I have 2 24V tools and several batteries and chargers so I bought a matching 24v compressor only, super cheap. Just over 3min to fill my 32's and 4 tires doesn't even dent the battery charge. A big plus is the built in pressure regulator, I can attach the hose and walk away, come back in few and it's a done deal. No setup time, remove from bag and push button. It has a .5 gal storage tank.
Great video! It was really cool to see the comparison. That CO2 tank was super fast! I gotta look into that!
Thank you!