UPDATE 2024! My PowerTank got demoted after I got this new high-speed low-cost air compressor - Watch the video here: ua-cam.com/video/wtbNlDP55GM/v-deo.html
On my 98 ZJ Laredo the AC evaporator has a gpod leak in it, so i cut the lines off the AC compressor and added an old empty 20lb propane tank to my jeep, an standard air compressor pessure cut off switch, some lines, a toggle switch, self feeding oiler inline and ended up with a grand total bill $75 for onboard air. Also have an "octopus" manifold valve setup that allows me to connect to all 4 tired and air up at the same time, will air all 4 from 0psi to 35psi in about 1:30 to 2:00 mins
@@patrickgronemeyer3375 lol because the co2 tank is at 200+psi. That arb will never get you there. That's why he can fill up so many times. Try filling your tires once on 15 tank of just standard compressed air with no air pump to help out. Never going to happen. Now mind you I will never leave home with out my pump. It never runs out of air when you need it the most.
Powertank is great. The fast air up is addictive. But, I stopped using it because of a few things: 1. Refilling gets expensive 2. You always run out when you need it most, then you're stuck or bumming air off someone with a compressor. People end up buying a second tank as backup... 3. You have to pressure test the tank to keep up on it. Obviously needed for safety but the tank is a consumable, not a forever item. For this reason, people build their own setup with cheaper steel tanks or a bevmo aluminum tank. 4. If you have one tank, and it's 2/3 empty, you end up having to refill anyway for a trip. It's no good if you can only refill three tires before empty. It's impossible to tell how much you have left. Many have set min. prices for fills, so again, added hassle and expense of refilling all the time. 5. air tools EAT through CO2 tanks. Don't expect to use accessories except in emergencies or unless you have a couple large tanks. I ended up going back to a compressor and tank setup just because it is reliable and you will always have air. Yes, it's slow but you're on a trip, a couple more minutes isn't going to kill you. Just my thoughts using CO2 for years and just getting burned out on constantly dishing out money to use it.
I've done this for a friend who was in a bind and I just happened to have it in my jeep because I brought my bike with me. One tire took about 15-20 minutes, but it felt like an eternity...and I'm not covered in gym lumps (ridiculously large muscles). Let's just say...I don't recommend it as something to squeeze into a cross fit routine.
I don't have the dual ARB, but I have the mid-size ARB, which drives my ARB lockers, and I also use it to air up. It takes 3 minutes and 10 seconds per tire to air from 10 pounds up to 27 pounds with 37" tires. I air down and up on the average once a week, year round. My ARB pump cost under $300, and I mounted it on the driver side tray in my LJ for about $10 worth of parts, including extra hose and fittings to go to the front bumper. I installed it 4 years ago (over 200 airups), and have not had it fail or show signs of wear. When I installed the ARB, I stopped using my two 10 gal CO2 tanks. (I didn't throw them away :) The reason I switched was that filling the tanks cost me about $20 each to fill at local welding supply shops (such as Airgas) and each 10 gal tank was good for about 11 tires (a little less than 3 air-ups) so each complete air up of my jeep cost me about $7.00 in CO2, totalling $350 per year. You complained about overheating your ARB after airing up just 9 tires, so you must be airing up a couple of your friends each time. I've never overheated my ARB, but I only air up my jeep. I air it up year round on the desert, so temps go up to 120 degrees (much hotter under the hood). For me, reliability is not an issue (yet!) If you are airing up 9 tires very often, your CO2 cost would be over $25 for each 9 tires. I did like being to air up quickly with the CO2, but to me the cost of saving a few minutes doesn't justify the expense and inconvenience in taking the tanks to the shop for refills. When I was wheeling in remote places ("Overlanding") it was impossible to keep my tanks filled. In those cases the electric pump is a lot more convenient . So, if you just run out and back local trails and don't mind paying for the convenience of airing up fast, the tank is great. If you are wheeling often or airing up multiple times in remote places you can save a lot of money with an electric pump. BTW, in our local club, that holds runs weekly year round, only a few of the over 100 members use tanks, and most of them carry a portable electric pump so they can always be able to air up if they run out of CO2.
Coming from a lowrider n custom car background, I have bagged hundreds of cars since the 90s. So when I took to offroading, I went with a 5 gallon Hoosier tank and dual Viair 444 compressors. They have worked reliably over the years for all my customers and my rides. I use it to inflate from about 15psi to 50psi on my 10 ply 35x12.50r17s on my 08 3500HD. I also run air tools off of it when necessary. Stuffed it under the bed where factory spare went. I run dual spares in my bed instead. I will say, if it's cold as balls outside, 30 seconds per tire is great! I just cant see paying $30 for refill whenever I run low.
I have used both. Currently have the arb twin air compressor, it takes 2 minutes per tire @ 12 psi to 40psi. I did have an ARB twin air compressor grenade after one and half years. ARB shipped me a replacement after I emailed them a copy of receipt. ARB has a lifetime warranty, they pay shipping within the first 2 or 3 years and you pay shipping after that. I had my CO2 tank fall over on its side while filling my tires. The air hose froze within seconds and blew a hole in another few seconds. I got ice burn on my hand even with gloves on. My tank was not mounted and secured like yours and became a problem once on its side. I did love being able to fill up all of my tires within a few minutes. The tank I had took up too much space in my Jeep.
Powertank is cool, and yes it is faster, but one thing that i believe makes it more versatile is its application in colder environments or seasons. A powertanks pressure will drop dramatically in colder conditions, leaving you with less filling capabilities. What make the ARB nice is its versatilitty in different conditions.
Thank you for the honest opinion on the ARB on board compressor! I was considering getting one but now I know I made the right decision. I used a small portable compressor for a couple years. It works but it's slow and heats up quickly. I opted to buy the Smittbilt 10lb CO2 Tank for cost reasons compared to the Power Tank. Smittybilt $278. I can fill up all four 35" tires from 14psi to 30psi 4 to 5 times easily. It takes about 38 -40 seconds per tire. Tank refills at the local Home Brew Beer supply store for about $23. The only issue I had was the regulator on the tank quit working the 2nd time I used it. Smittybilt stepped up right away and sent me a new regulator no questions asked. The Smittybilt tank seems a little less quality compared to the PowerTank as far as the gauges go but it does get the job done and it cost about half as much as the PT. I keep the portable compressor on board as a back up.
I've been running a 10lb tank for so many years I've lost track...It was mounted in the bed of my 2wd pre-runner and yes I'm the envy of every other guy waiting for his cute little compressor to air back up...Since that was a 2wd I really only aired down the rear tires which means I got a fair amount of air ups...Now I've got a my first ever 4wd truck (a 2018 Ford Raptor) so will have to see how long the 10lbs lasts... A couple of hints: First get the PT digital scale so you can really tell how much there is left in the tank, second don't run power tools (which I did for several years) instead there are really great cordless 1/2" guns out there for the lug nuts which will really save on CO2. I also really like the PT air chuck with the liquid filled gauge and the clip on end... The regulator and hose end does get very cold but one reason the PT stuff costs so much is its really high quality and can take that cold. Sorry for the long comment...enjoy your videos!
I appreciate your assistance with the hints! You definitely know your stuff and congrats on the new truck! Let me know if you have any questions about getting your Raptor set up.
I used to run power tanks 10 years back. When I bought the new '14 Rubicon, the power tanks stayed in the "87 YJ for the air lockers. Several times I did have problems with the Power Tanks pressure valve icing up on humid or rainy days. It would not freeze up, but would slow way down on it's delivery of the CO2. I also had a problem with the tires bleeding off any CO2 through the rubber back down to the pressure I had aired down to. Three weeks later, they would be back down to 15lbs and I would have to air them back up with the garage compressor. NOT a big deal. Lately, I have been using a Viair 450P 100% duty cycle portable single air compressor and gave the Power Tanks to the lad that bought out '87YJ back in January this year. The Viair has worked great and has never gotten hot enough where it shut off due to over heating. I run the Viair on the RF floorboard with the A/C blowing across the cylinder with the cooling fins. It still works great and I don't have to re-air-up 3 weeks later. Now that I have a jeep with 37" tires, the Viair is just a little slow for my liking. 25 minutes to air up all 4 tires from 18 to 32 psi. SO, I did some research and decided on the ARB Portable Twin compressors. They are rated the highest CFM (6.16 max), 100% duty cycle at 100 PSI at 70 degree ambient temperature. This tells me that "I DO NOT WANT TO MOUNT IT UNDER THE HOOD OR UNDER THE FRAME NEAR THE EXHAUST because of the ambient temps in those locations. (250-400 degrees) I run two 3.5" tubes down from my A/C ducts to cool the ARB Twin sitting on my RF passenger seat. Yesterday, I put it though it's paces airing up my Motor Home AND trailer tires from 60psi up to 110 psi. I ran the ARB Twin full tilt, 100% duty cycle for over 1.5 hours up to 110 PSI. It NEVER got over 145 degrees according to my laser temp gun and I could bare hand it anywhere on the compressors. The only time I gave it to rest was when I was switching form one corner to the next. ARB states 245 max working temps with a thermal cut off at 275 degrees. With under the hood temps btw 250-300, the compressors mounted under the hood are HOT when they start working. Don't blame them when they eat themselves up. PLUS, even though I am NOT A TREE HUGER, I also am glad to be doing my part to NOT contribute to the massive amounts of CO2 killing our planet.
I agree they do take up room, and for a Jeep sized vehicle I'm sure space can run out pretty quick if you carry a lot of gear...I had a 1/2 ton truck with plenty of room in the bed, so for me it wasn't an issue...
You can mitigate that a bit though. He bought the biggest tank available. The 10lb tank is quite small and their are roll bar mounting options that get it off the floor. Still it is larger than the ARB compressors.
The primary disadvantages of a power tank are size, capacity, recurring cost, and opportunity time loss. The problem with the original compressor system was that it was badly engineered and manufactured to fit in a restricted space in the engine compartment. Alternate installation locations combined with small increased in size would have a low impact on cost (probably lowering it), while improving reliability and serviceability..
Hi, I have tried a lot of portable compressors but these wear out quickly. Also, it takes forever to inflate from 0 to 30p. So, I came up with a solution and built out one. I used a 0.5ton compressor of a fridge and welded a hose connector to its output valve. For electricity supply, I connected it with a 500 watt - 12 volt DC to 220 volt AC converter (small circuit board only). Mounted everything in a small box and put it in the back of the car. I have been using it for past 10 years and it works great. It just doesn't have a pressure gauge on it (which I think, I can easily put on it too but just never tried it) so I have to check for air pressure only after I remove it from Tyre. It just take around under 4 mins to fill a Tyre 0 to 30. All this costed me around $30.
I think your biggest problem with the air compressor is that you mounted it in the engine bay. Heat is the killer of a lot of things including compressors.
Looks like a reasonable thing if you live and 4WD close to a major centre, but here in Aus where a lot of us head out to remote areas to get away from the crowds and find the best campsites/fishing spots/tracks it can be thousands of km away from the nearest place to refill a tank on such a system. I'll stick with my ARB compressor as not only does it do my tyres, it also runs my rear pro locker
I have had my Power Tank for many years (maybe 10+) and love it. We use it in the toy hauler when taking dirt bikes or a UTV and obviously when we take the jeeps out. I have never had a onboard compressor. I like the mobility and simplicity of the Power Tank.
if you just put a 10lt tank on the arb compressor it takes the heat out of the air and it doesn't overheat at all. ARB pressure switch is 150psi which it plenty.
I've gone for a scuba tank system. I already had the tank and the regulator as I'm a diver. A low pressure inflator tyre inflator and a foam tank holder were the two purchases I had to make. Super fast to inflate tyres... About 2 seconds per 1 psi.
I started out with a C02 system from PowerTank and i love it for the speed and it's ability to run my air tools, then i added the twin ARB under the passenger seat as well as a backup to the tank in case i was on a trip out of town and ran out of CO2 and that works out nice as well. I have found a nicer solution to the paint ball shops that worked out pretty good... i bought a 60# siphon tank and get that filled and got a transfer hose and a scale and just refill my own... 1) for the cost 2) the paint ball shops i was using were only telling me the tank was full but they only out in about 1/2 and unless you use a scale there is no way to tell. 3) getting my 60# filled in only $31 including tax 4) the down side is you have to buy the 60# tank the 1st time ( mine was $300 ) then you just swap it out for a full one. The issue with filling tanks is that if you don't freeze the tank or really cool it down quite a bit it's not possible to fill it all the way, so i put mine in the freezer over night and then you get a perfect fill every time. it all works great for me
Very true! When shopping around, it's good to check if the shop does a transfill (like your paintball shop) or if they have a CO2 pump on premises. Whether they have a pump or not, it's a good idea to chill your bottle before bringing it in. Even with the CO2 pump at our shop, we still chill all of our bottles for about half an hour in the freezer before filling.
plus a long time ago i saw a shop submerse them in a cold water tank as well... obviously they did lots of fills to have a tank like that set up in advance, what i'd like to do is set up something like the propane bottle distribution locations only in 4x4 shops that will just exchange bottles used for airing up so you can get a nice looking bottle back.
I'm running a hard wired 1500w continuous / 3000w peak sine wave inverter and a dewalt 6 gallon pancake compressor (10 amp, 165 max psi, 2.6 scfm) that I take with when needed. The inverter was less than $100 and I already had the compressor. For less than $100 I have have a mobile air source that will air up a 35 inch tire in 30 seconds. Even if you had to buy everything you need to duplicate this setup, it would cost under $250. As an added bonus, you have a 110v air compressor thay you can use for light duty chores and an inverter that you can use to power 110v tools in the field. Just make sure you secure the compressor when you're out on the trail.
Let me tell you a story that may save some lives. In 1994 I worked as a sanitary pipe welder. We dealt with lots of stainless steel, pumps, valves, etc. While working at a soda plant in California that produces the uncola we had to install a ss tank that was about 6 feet in diameter and 20 feet tall. I had to send a guy into the tank from the manhole on the top in install the uhmw bushing that the manufacturer forgot to install. Ordinarily breathing air should not have been a problem for 1 man in the tank. The tank had a 2 inch opening on the bottom with nothing attached and the manhole on top. As my coworker went in the tank somebody else that wanted to be in charge but had a problem paying attention stuck what he thought was a 1/4" air line in the bottom of the tank. The majority of the valves in these plants are air operated and there are air lines all over the place. The difference here was that this particular soda pop plant ran Co2 to all of it's valves. Co2 is odorless, colorless and will kill you before you even know it. Before I found out about the Co2 line in the tank I noticed mu coworker couldn't climb out and he was getting light headed and confused. Had it not been for the SCBA or Self Contained Breathing Apparatus that the plant had for emergency's they would have pulled a corpse out of that tank. Having a Co2 tank inside your vehicle with a regulator and hose that goes off road is a disaster waiting to happen.
An accident thankfully avoided but caused by negligence. When mounted properly and used according to directions, a Power Tank is harmless in even extreme situations. Our brackets are tested at the King of the Hammers and the Baja 1000. Our regulator guards are machined in the USA from solid billet aluminum to protect the valve and regulator assembly. There is a blow off cap set at 3000 psi to prevent bottle or valve damage from over pressurization. And unlike Carbon Monoxide, there are signs of elevated CO2 concentrations, as you've stated yourself. If you suspect a leak, simply open a window, a task made much easier when you're not trapped in a pipe.
Great video, I do love CO2 tanks for carbonation water or to make soda water, I own 3 X 10 lbs CO2 tanks, 2 tanks are used at home for the water fountain and the the last tank is in my car, I bought the cheap version of the Power Tank, this is the Smittybilt Compact Air system. I drive a BMW and I am really tired of adding air to my tires with an electric pump that takes 2-3 minutes for a couple of lbs. BMW's are kind of sensitive with air pressure, just 1 lbs under and will turn the TPMS light ON. This tank is bulky and heavy, but takes a few seconds to add air. If I stop at a gas station, sometimes they charge $ 3.00 for air and it also takes a few minutes to add it. This tank is around the $ 300, the purpose is to make it faster rather than saving money.
I use a York210 AC Compressor to just pump air. There are two 4.5 Gallon Air Tanks I mounted on the Frame Rails of my Dodge RAM. The York takes about 3 minutes at idle to fill the tanks from 0-200PSI. The Refill from the 165-200PSI switch is 15 Seconds at idle and 8 if I am driving. I have a tool port under the hood regulated to 100psi and one in my tool box that goes strait to the 200PSI tanks. The compressor can do 9+ CFM @ 90PSI by itself and can run most air tools by itself. I paid $37 for the compressor at the U-Pick-it Parts place from a 1973 Mercedes. The compressors are found on a lot of mid '70 to mid '80's Cars and trucks. I designed the brackets to mount the Compressor on my HEMI engine and they were cut out of 3/16 steel with a 1400W Laser. To get room to fit it, I had to replace the intake & filter with a cold air kit. I also have a filter to remove Water and Oil from the Air line. a 235psi blow off valve, and a 300 PSI sensor to a digital gauge on the dash. I also installed a sight glass to monitor the oil level in the compressor. It uses about 1 oz of oil per hour of run time.
I was thinking about aunning a tank. But i looked around and decided im going to get (2 )12v dual piston portable compressors off ebay around 50-60$ a piece and hard mount them under my hood to the battery. And fill the tires on both side of my jeep at the same time! Cutting my fillup time im half. It easily keeps them in thier duty cycle and dont have to worry about overheating. Ive been told a hard wired portable compressor works a littler better than the alligator clips and also i fill mine and a buddies tires at the same time if needed. Also ive ran 2 compressors of the same battery before without issue. And the whole set up is just over $100. So i could fill all 4 tires in 6 min and not have to pay hundress of dollars. You just need the space under the hood. My 93 yj doesnt have an AC compressors so i have plenty of rool to make a bracket and mount mine there without issue. Also ive never heard of anyome trying this soo it should be afun experiment and a very good saving if it works out.
For at least 10 years, I’ve used a 20lb grey CO2 tank with a fixed Powertank 150psi regulator. I usually swap it out after 5 fills, 10 psi 35” KM3 to 40psi (lots of highway driving to trails). I used to just swap it out at hydroponic suppliers here in Las Vegas for $12-18 a swap. Sometimes you get aluminum tank, sometimes it’s steel. The two shops I used to go to are gone! So I went to a welding supply shop. $58 for a swapped tank. 😓 not sure what I’ll do going forward. I’m on 38” now so a compressor doesn’t seem like a good idea for me.
All I got out of this is, absolutely no upside to getting a power tank! So I’ll be sticking with my arb twin which I’ve had for almost 10yrs & has never let me down!
The air system in my Cayenne is factory and over 14 years old... I use it for everything... I'm glad you posted this about the ARB as we had considered one instead of using the onboard air.
I use a largish 12v compressor plumbed in to 2 medium-sized air tanks. By filling the air tanks on the trail, I can fill all 4 tyres from 18 to 33psi in about 6 min including unpacking and packing up the hose. Not as fast as compressed CO2 but less hassle having to fill up the tank, cheaper and 2 smaller tanks are safer than one large in terms of weight and stored pressure. Also can unplumbed the tanks to run the compressor directly to the hose to the tyres if there is a problem.
tossed our ARB a few years back for similar reasons as you. we then opted for the viair constant duty with the 2.5 gallon tank. i used air brake lines for big rigs in my plumbing set up and have not experienced those types of failures you experienced, in my plumbing. part of our reason for on board air is the '07 runs ARB lockers front and back. now in the '18 i have E lockers so a tank like this is a viable option. i am currently using the lil viair in a bag for the '18 which does fine on the 33's. but i certainly am looking at other options, this being high on the list. but like all things when you are spending your own money, lots of research first lol it dont grow on trees! nice vid. thx for sharing.
I use the Viair RV450 system. Everything fits in one bag; easy to move between vehicles; 10psi to 40 psi in 90 seconds (faster than ARB, slower than CO2); lower cost; longer cycle time than ARB; takes up less space; quieter than ARB. Onboard air is over-rated. If I need a supplemental air tank, for lockers, air horns, air bags, etc., I can still mount one inside the frame underneath and plumb it to fill with the Viair when needed (I did this on my F-350).
I have a viair 444. I run it on a 20 gallon tank at 160 psi. I have had it for several years. I have had some leaks but the compressor has held up extremely well. People say the tank is “too big” but ive never had a problem. I can air up tire super quick because of the large capacity at 160 psi. I also have my compressor hooked to an isolated dual battery setup. So I can air up without fear of killing my starting battery.
Built my c02 tank from a polyperformance 15 lbs tank and reg. Also have powertanks hose and tire inflator with oil guage. Powertank's 6' tire inflator is an awesome product and I recommend getting it if someone builds their tank like I did. Total came out to about $250 with polyperformance's tank mount. No need to spend the extra money for a Powertank tank. Haven't used it enough to see how many fills I get with 37s yet but it fills quick and runs powertools on the trail with ease. Just remember to keep the regulator up when in use. *Note: Powertanks regulator outputs much more pressure than Poly Performace's reg does but I couldn't justify the price. That may be an upgrade in the future but Poly's $40 reg can't be passed up.*
I use two standard electric pumps running into a home made manifold to which i connect a flexible air hose and can pump a standard tyre in a couple of minutes. Each pump cost me less than a tenner and twice that for the other bits. They are bolted into the back of my Discovery where one of the extra seats stows. Mine is a five seater with the optional two seats that fold out in the boot area. The pumps are powered by a hard wired fused supply switched by the ignition. I'm happy to spend a few minutes pumping the four tyres up. Maybe my pace of life is slower than yours :) I keep meaning to look at fitting a reservoir tank in the opposite seat space instead of running straight from the pump. If i eventually get around to doing this then the locomotive horn may end up being fitted...
Interesting. Just installed a twin, 4-hose system on my JL. Super fast and all four tires maintain exactly the same pressure as you’re keeping an eye on the dashboard pressure indicators. Crossing my fingers it does not blow up in a year!
I had an arb compressor in my old rig. Never any issues with it in 12 years. Sold that rig and bought a powertank for my new rig. Very fast but the regulator either shows full or empty so you never know when you are gonna run out of air if you use power tools or what ever so you don't know if you will be able to actually air back up. That was a major issue for me since I often snow wheel away from home at 3psi in my tires and need to air back up to go back home. Also where I live only one place fills them and it costs me 42$ to fill my 10#. Gone back to compressor I now have dual 480c viair and my powertank is for sale.
I used an old a/c compressor rigged up with a fire extinguisher bottle and a toggle switch on the clutch. Junkyard parts didn't cost much, and you can switch it around so you can pull vacuum as well. I did it like that specifically because I didn't want to spend a lot of money on it......works ok.
One of the best pumps. You can get very high pressure out of an ac pump, very few moving parts too. However, you need to be drawing in clean dry air as the ac pumps are built for being in a sealed system and also pumping gas with oil in it for lubrication. It will fail at some point, but they tend to run for a good while before they do.
York210 compressor and a 6" square tube bumper tank. $200 for the York, new belt to power it, wired the clutch to a cut off switch, fabricated my tank out of a piece of 6" square tubing buy capping the ends, drilling a hole then tapping it, added fittings. Then installed a water and dirt filter between the York and the tank to keep it clean. So now my engine fills up my tank as I drive so I always have it full when I need it.
I know this is an air compressor/CO2 video but I really dig that hood lock at the beginning. I'm always afraid someone is going to jack a mounted compressor and so I bought Smittybilt. Its portable, I can toss it in the back seat floor when I'm out exploring and bring it inside at night.
I have the smaller version and it's been a rock solid performer for 6 years now, running my lockers as well as airing up my tires innumerable times after a day on the trails. This is the 2nd one I've had, the 1st I sold with my last truck still running like a champ. I have no idea what the issue is with yours, I wish I'd been on your street on trash day. Sure the tanks are faster, but they won't run my ARB air lockers, and it still only takes me 5 minutes or so to air back up to highway pressure from 15 psi.
I have an ARB twin pump under the passenger seat and 1 gallon air tank under the Jeep by the passenger foot well. Never had a problem... My whole campsite is inflatable - 2 queen mattresses an inflatable tent... So it’s running for about 15 mins solid at every camp site 3-4 Site’s per trip - then for about 5 mins on the way off the trail for tires. 8-10 times a year for 5 years. A tank wouldn’t be able to cope with the volume of air for my camp site as its primary purpose. I’d run out 1/2 way and be stuck with nothing unless I had two large tanks - one of which would always be half full. Or the backup hand pump sweating away at that... The ARB twin and tank are invisible and always there...
I’m using a 25 lb co2 tank got from my buddy’s restaurant. He charges me 32 bucks or the exchange. I bought an adjustable regulator off ebay that looks very similar to the power tank regulator. Works great and runs my air tools. I’ll be using this to spray raptor liner as I can dial in the exact pressure, unlike an air compressor that varies. The tanks are ugly, so I cut up a pair of the wife’s yoga pants to make a sleeve for the tank. Kinda like a reusable wrap.
I have my ARB compressor installed, in 2007 JK Rubicon, in the floor storage compartment behind the rear seat. Excellent, caus it's in an area of low temp, receives cool, clean air, and runs without any probs. It runs to activate ARB diff locks front and rear and inflate tires. CO2 system takes up tooooo much room!!! Space is important. Cheers, Phil - New Zealand
I'm running a cheap $20 amazon air compressor right now. I'd like to upgrade soon and personally I'm leaning towards getting an air compressor because I go on cross country road trips and there are places where I doubt I'd be running into any places selling CO2. With an air compressor you have air on demand, with the trade off being reliability; it seems that your ARB compressor gives you a fair warning before it dies and ARB has a great warranty, with them being a well known company that is going to stay around I'm sure that they are working to fix their product. I do think It'd be cool to have a power tank that you can fill up at any normal old gas station air compressor. That'd be a convenient middle ground between the two. That way, you can carry your own air compressor(even a cheap $20 one) refill it while ya drive and have the big ole tank for when you need it. Anyways, if you haven't given away your ARB compressor yet, I'd love to take it off your hands. Hell I'll pay you for it because i really do need an upgrade. Thanks for the video, really enjoyed your reviews.
I have believe your location is the issue. I have mounted mine under the passenger seat in the cab, and many others in my group have as well. Not a single issue with the in cab mounted compressors. I need a compressor to run my lockers, and that's really important. Just as important is that space in my cargo area. This seems like a clever solution for people who dont spend much time away from "town" when they go offroad.
My personal opinion - ARB compressor mounted under the hood taking on the engine heat and dust from the trail all day has got to be bad for it. I use a ViAir compressor that I run a hose from the compressor to my spare tire/wheel. I went and added a 2nd tire valve on to the wheel. Then I attach a 2nd hose to the spare tire and then run it around to the 4 tires that are on the ground. This essentially gives me a free spare air tank (low pressure 80psi max, high volume) that takes up zero extra space and does not require the compressor to run as much to pump up the 4 tires.
I have an ARB high capacity compressor but it's the set up that it has its own box and house as camp cables to connect to the battery. I'm not a hardcore off roader due to living in south florida but I do love how I can just move it from vehicle to vehicle
I love my 10 lb power tank. Only issue I’ve had is the strap holding it was loose for some time and it grooved the tank and I may have to replace. I bought it after my 500 dollar viair compressor took a dump in about a year. I’m never going back the cost to refill is minimal in my opinion vs the convenience
Up here in the Pacific North West, yank the doors off and the A/C can go away-- or turn it into onboard air! I kick the r's up to about 1500 & it'll fill 37s from 15psi to 40psi in about a minute each. Sanden style pumps have five or seven pistons pumping together for high volume; add a tank and you've got enough air for air tools (sometimes in short bursts).
I've been using an ARB compressor for about 3 years. It keeps blowing hoses close to the compressor because the air coming from the compressor gets really hot. As a result I've been considering trying a power tank but I will be keeping my ARB as a back-up...
I use CO2 also but not Power Tank brand. The reason I switched from a small compressor was speed and versatility. With CO2 tank, I can move it from one vehicle to another easily and use it for other applications... I have used it to run air nailers and other air powered tools. I have not tried it with a large air impact gun yet but they say it will work..
3 years ago I bought 2 150psi - 150 litres a minute ebay compressors for $80 each. Made a housing to fix them together in the tray of my ute. Plumbed them in incorporating a switch in the dash, a pressure switch to turn it off when at 90 psi and 2 outlets; 1 on the bullbar and 1 one the rear bumper. Hasn't missed a beet. (to be honest, I thought it would have packed it in by now) At 300 litres a minute (technically), it's great. I do like the Powertank but it seams a little big for me.
Awesome video. I too agree with the Powertank or a DIY CO2 canister. I’ve seen the ARBs fail too often and like you said, the more connections and fittings you have, the more likely you are to have a failure.
It's best to have the compressor *and* the PowerTank. If price is a concern, you can DIY with a DOT approved tank and a regulator. 10 years with an ARB CKMA12, no issues...except for waiting 4 months for an O-ring rebuild kit that even ARB didn't have in stock.
I'm sold. Like that air up speed. Been through a couple compressors myself and sometimes I'll just drive home with 10-15psi after a long day or days on the trail. Once drove 500 miles in 15psi until the gas mileage made me air up. First world problems.
I have used a 15 # power tank for 15 years or so. Still the same unit, had an issue with the regulator and they rebuilt it for me no problem...even gave me a bunch of stickers with the bill. It was WAY out of warranty. I am building a York based compressor for my Jeep as a back up.
I use a compressor that feeds a set of hoses to each tire, such rig NOT mounted on vehicle. So getting it out and stowing it away is a royal pain in the clock. I typically air down to 8 psi and highway pressure is 36. So a tank feeding my 4 tire rig would be great! If I do what you have done, could I use nitrogen from a welding supply shop? Seems it would be cheaper by eliminating the retail middle man.
I've had a powertank for many years and it is a well made product. I have noticed that the CO2 does not maintain pressure well in small volume tires such as bicycle tires. For whatever reason the pressure drops off days to weeks after a CO2 fill whereas with air it does not (or is far slower). The bigger the tire (and the lower the pressure) the less this will be a problem. Check the tire pressures more often. The regulators do need rebuilding at some point, but they are small so carrying a spare would not be difficult, thought they are expensive (and carrying a backup portable compressor is probably a more effective plan). The CO2 refills are less costly at a welding gas supply store, and the minimum charge is about enough to fill a 15 pound tank so filling anything smaller will not be as cost effective. It is great to run an air tool with, but the space, size and weight are a burden to carry. If you are in a hurry it is a great way to go. Since it is possible to run out of CO2 it is wise to carry a backup portable compressor, and that also allows you to conserve the CO2 for those times where you are in a rush. It is best not to carry compressed/liquid gas cylinders in the passenger compartment. Small amounts of CO2 in the open is not generally a problem, but in an enclosed space it is very dangerous. Be safe! :)
Got mine the other day for my JL. It mounts high on the roll bar so it is out of the way. The mount is referred to as a "sport mount" and is exclusive for the JL and sold separately.
I use a Typhoon twin pot air compressor at the moment. In a previous vehicle I made my own system out of an old air-conditioning compressor plumber in to an old converted forklift LPG cylinder mounted under the tray. I would engage the compressor clutch 100m from the car park and by the time I got there I had a full 150 psi head of air and could air up 4 X 1050 R 15 tyres from 12 psi to 30 psi in 2 minutes flat. Unfortunately no room for an extra A/C compressor in my new car 😞
Great video! I’m running two Viair 450H compressors that are 100% duty with a small 2 gallon tank over rear axle. No push fittings, all stainless hoses with 4AN fittings. Compressors were in my last rig and haven’t failed me yet. Running lines to both bumpers with ARB air chuck with rubber covers. I’ll turn it on couple minutes before airing up and tank fills with 150psi.
How fast do two viair compressors fill up a tire? I have just one and it takes quite some time and also overheats at some point, not good if towing a trailer with another 6 tires
getstuk , two viair 450H will air up a 2 gallon air tank in about one minute to 150psi. I air down to 18psi with Staun and one tire to air back up is less than a minute. I went to Anza Borrego couple weeks ago and used a Jinkey dual tire inflator with a ARB single tire inflator and it worked really good. Got it on Amazon for $39 and it has a digital tire gauge to.
I've used a SCUBA tank for many years. Its essentially the same idea. However a SCUBA tank only cost 4 to $5 to refill. You can use air tools with this type of setup. An 80 cubic foot scuba tank provides enough air to swap out a ring and pinion or any other type of major repair on the trail
I use a small 12volt direct drive compressor which is sealed in an air tight container which allows me to use it as both an air inflation device as well as a vacuum source. It has fittings to suit standard workshop quick connectors and is connected to a 4.5kg gas bottle. It’s extremely lightweight and due to its size can run for hours without draining the battery or overheating. Its easily transferable between vehicles and very compact. I spent under $80 for the complete setup, it’s been working for more than 12 years without issues. Takes me longer to inflate the bigger rubber but I’m happy to wait a few extra minutes knowing that I’m saving weight and money having it.
I have quite a bit of experience with HPA compression from running a 3 stage compressors up to 5000 PSI for over a decade. The one thing I would caution is running air tools with CO2. Short term use is fine but frequently using CO2 - my issue is with the moisture CO2 can sent into your tools. Metal and moisture don’t play well. Make sure you follow you MNF oiling recommendations for your tool. If you run expensive air tools consider an inline filter that contains a desiccant. Miller makes a decent one intended for plasma cutters and such when sending air that has high moisture. I have a question too. What output pressure did you use to get that 28 second tire fill? I use an HPA regulator to bring down a paintball 45ci tank set at 100PSI to run air tools and to inflate my tires. This combo works great for small jobs and is ultraportable.The reason I keep it at 100 PSI is most air tools like that PSI. My car tires fill up fast enough at that pressure. I’m curious the output pressure these Powertanks fill at.
The Powertank has an adjustable regular with gauge indicators for lockers, tools and tires - so you can dial it in for your use. I believe the range it indicates for tires is about 150psi. Whatever that gauge-range is for tires, is what we got the 28 second inflation time with.
NotaRubicon Productions Thanks for the quick reply. I wanted to increase my output pressure up to see what a fast refill is like. Will give the 150PSI a try 👍
Is there a safety factor carrying the CO2 system inside your Jeep? After enjoying your off road adventures and you're home, do you replace the CO2 with regular compressed air in your tires? My Jeep is a daily driver too. My buddy gave me a 20lb CO2 tank from his restaurant. I assume it would be fine to use. All I need is a regulator and a mounting bracket for the tank.
One of the main benefits of a Power Tank over other CO2 systems is our billet Regulator Guard designed to protect your regulator and valve from a 4 ft vertical drop onto concrete. Our competitors use cheap cast parts or typical, standard plastic handles. We saw a Power Tank survive a nasty rollover accident (as well as the occupants inside, thankfully) because of our handle. Check it out: instagram.com/p/Bty-GqejfXQ/ Fortunately, our Power Tank handles fit multiple standard tank necks so they can be fit onto your beverage CO2 bottle. CO2 is perfectly safe to leave in your tires. We have a whole page dedicated to the subject on our website and include third party articles: powertank.com/pages/nitrogen-truths-and-myths
G'day from Australia... I use a "PX07" 3/4hp 12 volt air compressor (100% duty cycle), coupled to a LPG cylinder (you guys in the states call it "propane"). The compressor is the first thing I fire up each time I start the Silverado. It provides air for a couple of LARGE and loud sets of horns as well as front/rear quick connects and air bags (both rear suspension assist and the Airsafe Hitch. Here in Australia, we tend to do a lot of remote travel and filling a CO2 bottle wouldn't be possible a lot of places we go. I'm wondering what pressure you were operating your ARB unit at please? My system cuts off at 120psi.
I admit that I am not impressed with my dual ARB compressor. Waiting for it to break then I will replace it. My friend did the majority of the install and I installed it under the passenger seat since it's pretty big but it is loud. It took so much of day that I felt bad and gave hime a case of ammo along with the case of good beer that I gave him. It's slow compared to the York OBA I had in my TJ. It would have been $1800 to buy a York kit for the JKU so I chose the ARB over a tank because I didn't want to have to deal with keeping the tank filled. Once the ARB goes out if I can't afford a York system I will get a Powertank. My rear ARB locker is hooked up my dual compressor so it serves that purpose.
Could you use the CO2 as a fire extinguisher. I could therefore discard my extinguisher and compressor to justify the size and weight of this tank. I have a jeep , they're known for fires so I have a big extinguisher, as well as a compressor. I could possibly make a fire suppression system, like mining vehicles.
I have had to go back to arb twice with my compressor because it would get that hot the hose would melt and blow off the plug that goes in the compressor. The first time I used it they had a different release and it didn’t have any coverage of the metal release mechanism and it burnet three of my fingers and it was about 3-5mm deep and when I showed them they said it would have to be sent to Melbourne HQ to be assessed. When I got it back two weeks later it had been changed to the new mechanism which is covered in thick rubber and I had the same issue with the hose melting and they got me to show them how I used it to pump up my tyres. So I showed them and they tried to say I had pumped it for to long in between tyres and then I said in the manual it states that I could do two tyres then let it cool before doing the other two. The funniest part of me showing them is I couldn’t even be bent over for that amount of time as I had trouble with my back and I said when I do my tyres I have a ice cream break in between the first two tyres and then my son helps with the second two and we take about 20-30 minutes to do all four tyres. So they gave me a new one used once on 4x4 and more show on channel 7 and a spare hose and said they couldn’t do any more with it as they had done all they could because I was past the warranty and my father in-law got a Aldi one ($99.95) and it does same size tyres and twice as fast for a fifth of the price?????
Wow,, we go to a lot of places in Canada and out west that are way off-grid. I've been using a Viar compressor with great success for several years. Is it slow? Well yes, a lot slower than C02, but that's a really good time to take a break and relax a bit. It is a LOT lighter, ( every pound counts) and takes up a lot less space than a C02 tank (space for us is at a premium) . On top of that, what'll you do when you run out of C02 a few hundred miles from the nearest C02 dealer? (let alone the outright danger involved with having a high pressure tank on board while in a serious accident) I've been offered C02 while airing up on a couple of occasions and simply, politely said, no thanks, I'm cool, You C02 guys can keep your instant gratification for yourselves.
The ticket: a small Sears portable 110v compressor and a small dc/ac converter for power. Total cost, less than $200.00. Done. Mine happens to be Sears when my local store went belly up, I got for $100, but there are many small good air compressors and they don't take much space. Love it, easily and cheaply replaceable.
Great system. Been using something similar for some time now after also going through sh!t with a compressor style pump which ended up in the trash as well. Think the main difference comes in where some "experts" comment on pumps that they use once a year on some tiny tires and me using it 3 times or more in a week on often 6 or more big tires. My system is nothing more that a simple scuba air tank (they come in many sizes, I find a 6l steel tank works for me), may swap to a 15 or 20l tank for extended trips. Have it filled to 300bars or 200 depending on where I get it filled. Now here is the nice feature I have..... It has a unregulated port(you gonna need a rated hose for this obviously) which works brilliant for a tire off the rim in thick sand (I don't like the blowing up and setting your car on fire zippo fluid tricks) so basically unscrew the valve portion inner with appropriate tool and give the valve on the tank a quick 2 second yank on and off and wala tyre back on the rim. Then I have a adjustable regulator that I can preselect the desired pressures clip it onto the wheel you want to inflate and it will equalize to the set pressure while I'm having a cold one. Works great for getting the bbq going if the wood is moist(wont work with CO2 though). Doesn't cost me anything (I have free access to a scuba compressor) Just a tip or suggestion, bugger the CO2 that's more expensive to refill or at least where I live in Africa, normal compressed air gets the job done just fine.
I have an inverter hardwired into my Xterra, so I use one of the three gallon $40 air compressors from Harbor Freight. It's quicker than a portable tire inflator, but still small and light enough to be portable. I have outlets in the front and rear of my vehicle, which I also use to run a regular mini fridge when camping.
Kilby on board air. Complete kit 700.00 10 years no issues. Still works great. Nearly as fast as the co2. Only draw back is when the engine wont run and you need air. Needed my brothers co2 tank to use air tools to work on my engine on the trail.
i use ARB compressor with a large tank. this way, once its pressurised, compressor doesn't have to work as often increasing its longevity. also with airlockers, i don't want to risk running out of pressure while mid trail.
I use a 10# CO2 fire extinguisher as the base of a homemade powertank. Fill it and have it hydrotested every 5 years at the fire extinguisher company in town. Bought a special 150# non adjustable regulator and works great. Also can be regulated down to use air tools. I'm a carpenter, and first started using this system with a trim nailer for punch list jobs.
Here in NZ, I use a firemans breathing aperatus (BA bottle) It was costing about $6.00 per fill, ran through an oxygen regulator. It is fillable up to 3000psi. Tanks must be certified every 5 years.
Running a modified York A/C compressor, belt driven from the engine (not 12v). 150psi. Old BBQ gas bottle as the tank. Hard lines to outlets on both sides of the 4WD
Thanks for creating another great video! We are currently working on redesigning our JKU Mount once the JLU Mount is in full production within the next few weeks. We appreciate the feedback as it helps us constantly improve our products.
My tank got grooved from the mount. I’m not sure if it was loose or not. How deep of a groove is dangerous. The gas shop said they probably won’t fill it again and I might have to buy a new tank. Thanks
I use the arb twin air with the innovative JK install kit that goes under the seat with lines run to. Oth sides of the jeep. So with that system I can air up and down all 4 tires at the same time. Very convenient and super easy to use. No problems at all and with the arb inside the jeep it never over heats.
Engine driven York compressor. Capable of 200psi, and 10+scfm. Can fill 35x12.50-15s from 10-35psi in about 60 seconds. Plenty of flow & pressure for any air tool you'd need on the trail
I no longer actively use CO2; I had a 20lb CO2 tank originally. I found that after a few flats letting out the CO2 it attracted too many mosquitos. On the trail I had the spare filled with CO2 as well, airing it down to trail pressure also attracted the mosquitoes. YUK! I do carry paintball 20oz cylinders for emergency use, but for myself in the summer the CO2 was an great annoyance. Also use CO2 for the air locker activation. Do like the silent operation of CO2 versus the electric motor noise of compressors. What I mostly use is an over pressurized (65lbs) spare tire that airs up all four tires from 8-12lbs to 18-19lbs for on the road use with 35-40lbs still left in the spare tire after airing up. The spare tire acts as an air tank. Application is 31/10.5/15" on a Samurai. I will be testing using the spare on my Tacoma in a similar way when I get around to it. Most tires sized for the Tacoma have an on-road use maximum pressure of 80lbs. I would have no problem exceeding this pressure MAX 80lbs as the spare is not being used. My on-road pressure currently is only 28lbs on the Tacoma.
A lot of people think the compressor is slow without even trying to add an air tank to it to increase volume. Throw a 2.5 gallon air tank on there with a compressor and then it takes up the same amount of space as a power tank, without the pain of having to refill it and is just about as fast with the right compressor
ARB Dual with an 2.5 Gallon Slim tank. Yes it doesnt inflate in less than 30 seconds, take about 2 minutes per tire for 35-12.50 but since its air, doesnt introduce acidic content that eventually will damage your TPMS sensors, degrade the rubber in the tires and even damage the inside of the rim. Every time you fill up with CO2 you are generating a good amount of moisture due to the rapid pressure change in the tire. This happens with regular air too, but regular air isnt acidic. That moisture combined with CO2 produces an acid that then sits in the tire. The more you do it the more acid you build up in the tire. This can lead to potential catastrophic tire failure, damaged rims and failed TPMS sensors. Not to mention having a compressed CO2 tank at about 4000PSI in your jeep. This is why the only compressed air that any tire manufacturer and car company recomends is either Air or Nitrogen.
have you ever put\monitor jeep'a underhood temperature... and if not - worth to think how to lift bonnet fromone side to allow more airflow ( usually caused by additional protection plates etc)
I'm finishing up my first air locker setup on my Cj, honestly I never had to contimplate. I already use co2 in my daily life as a air brush artist, l blow people's minds when they see me working off a silent setup that's unbelievably consistent. With zero Condensation Great video but!
Which one ? Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Tank is a space hog and you have to refill it on occasion. The ARB is out of sight but slower and self contained. One is faster than the other, more noise than the other, has to be wired and plumbed vs the other etc. Regarding the plumbing leaks you experience with the ARB. Simple fix. Use a longer air hose and only one quick connect under the hood for example. Eliminates all the connections and chance for leaks. Not the coolest method as yours but a longer hose is not that big a deal once it fills up with compressed air. A good USA made rubber hose would be the most reliable vs. the plastic coils that eventually crack/split at stress points. Thanks for the information and talking points.
Viair (constant duty) compressor and ARB or Viair 1 gallon tank is the best combo to go with! I've ran my Viair filling up 8 35" tires (me and my buddy rigs) with no breaks in between. Been working for years and never fails.
Love my 10 lbs PowerTank kit installed in the bed of my Colorado ZR2! Had on board air in my old TJ and in my Gen1 Tacoma and had similar failures. Electrical and/or air system failures. Not good when you’ve aired down and trying to get home on highway! Refills can also be done at industrial air (ie welding supply stores), beverage stores (ie restaurant, home brew suppliers) or fire extinguisher servicer. Sporting goods is an easy find but usually most expensive.
For the cost, I just go for an engine driven ac compressor that's been converted like a York. The ARB pumps probably went out because they were used out of duty cycle and there isn't an oiler. I had plenty of electric compressors from Air Zenith and Viair go bad because of that(worn piston rings, scored cylinder walls, corrosion when sitting a while, reed getting clogged, bending a "connecting rod", etc.). Using a larger pump like a Viair or EDC with a 3-5 gallon tank also has benefits like being able to reseat beads and what not. There is zero explaining away air lines failing in 3 years other than bad install or bad parts. Semi trucks use waaaaaaaaaaaay more air than a jeep and go decades without issue. You don't hear about brakes lines or power steering lines blowing out every 3 years and they handle waaaaay higher pressures. That's because they were made and installed correctly. Mount air lines away from rubbing, impact, contact or heat and use name brand fittings like Parker. Thousands of people use air lines for air suspension. No one would ever think of using it if it blew out or leaked all the time.
Power tank seems great and the speed is amazing. However my biggest problem is storage. I have a JK, but I use a VAIR system and it hasnt failed me in 9yrs. I also have the Front Runner deck for 2nd floor storage in the back so that Power tank would not be able to be mounted in the back. Yes, its slower than that power tank, and slower than the double barrel ARB system, but its compact. I run it off my Genesis dual battery setup, (no probl with power). I cant imagine being in such a hurry when you get off the trail/beach that you cant wait a couple of minutes vs airing up in 30 seconds or less. I also opted for heavy duty air lines for front and back and havent had any issues. I dont have an SPOD system use a different switch pod which I like cause its mounted on the drivers side column and looks factory vs having the SPOD which would occupy where my ham radio currently is. So my personal feelings about the ARB system and I know plenty who have it. 1. never mount anything that doesnt belong in the engine compartment, in the engine compartment. 2. Dont use those crappy plastic/vinyl hoses with cheap air connectors.. They will always leak no matter what.. Any compressor NEEDS to be kept cool while operating or you will get heat/seal failures.. and yes, pistons too. I've seen guys mount their VAIR/Air tanks in the bottom of the back of the JK and that too is a recipe for failure.. JMHO.. good luck, nice video though.. I subscribed..
Hey! Awesome review! I just happen to know Steve (PowerTank), so I'll tell him about that self-tapping screw issue. Steve will definitely want to hear feedback like that. Happy trails!
I have not use a CO2 system however I do carry 2 1.5l 9k psi nitrogen tanks intended for paintball or PCP rifles. They do me well long as there is a local paintball ship where I can fill them. I have always dreamed to install a PTO compressor or Hydraulic compressor that I could install into my road service truck.
I really wanted to get Harrop elockers for my FJ40 but they’re incompatible with my rear semi-float axle, so I’m going to have to go with ARB air lockers. I really didn’t want to deal with the hassle of air lines, compressors, electrical, etc. Good to know there’s a simpler option out there. Thanks!
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What size tires?
35" tires. Usually airing down to 7-8psi and always airing back up to 30psi
I was able to get 14 out mine, going from 12 to 30 with my 37's
On my 98 ZJ Laredo the AC evaporator has a gpod leak in it, so i cut the lines off the AC compressor and added an old empty 20lb propane tank to my jeep, an standard air compressor pessure cut off switch, some lines, a toggle switch, self feeding oiler inline and ended up with a grand total bill $75 for onboard air.
Also have an "octopus" manifold valve setup that allows me to connect to all 4 tired and air up at the same time, will air all 4 from 0psi to 35psi in about 1:30 to 2:00 mins
@@patrickgronemeyer3375 lol because the co2 tank is at 200+psi. That arb will never get you there. That's why he can fill up so many times. Try filling your tires once on 15 tank of just standard compressed air with no air pump to help out. Never going to happen. Now mind you I will never leave home with out my pump. It never runs out of air when you need it the most.
Powertank is great. The fast air up is addictive.
But, I stopped using it because of a few things:
1. Refilling gets expensive
2. You always run out when you need it most, then you're stuck or bumming air off someone with a compressor. People end up buying a second tank as backup...
3. You have to pressure test the tank to keep up on it. Obviously needed for safety but the tank is a consumable, not a forever item. For this reason, people build their own setup with cheaper steel tanks or a bevmo aluminum tank.
4. If you have one tank, and it's 2/3 empty, you end up having to refill anyway for a trip. It's no good if you can only refill three tires before empty. It's impossible to tell how much you have left. Many have set min. prices for fills, so again, added hassle and expense of refilling all the time.
5. air tools EAT through CO2 tanks. Don't expect to use accessories except in emergencies or unless you have a couple large tanks.
I ended up going back to a compressor and tank setup just because it is reliable and you will always have air. Yes, it's slow but you're on a trip, a couple more minutes isn't going to kill you.
Just my thoughts using CO2 for years and just getting burned out on constantly dishing out money to use it.
Bike pump. It takes me about 3 days to fill back up but my shoulders are big as can be...
Hmmmm... i should try a dick pump!
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Fart pump, need lots of beans and a tight A##
I've done this for a friend who was in a bind and I just happened to have it in my jeep because I brought my bike with me. One tire took about 15-20 minutes, but it felt like an eternity...and I'm not covered in gym lumps (ridiculously large muscles). Let's just say...I don't recommend it as something to squeeze into a cross fit routine.
I don't have the dual ARB, but I have the mid-size ARB, which drives my ARB lockers, and I also use it to air up. It takes 3 minutes and 10 seconds per tire to air from 10 pounds up to 27 pounds with 37" tires. I air down and up on the average once a week, year round. My ARB pump cost under $300, and I mounted it on the driver side tray in my LJ for about $10 worth of parts, including extra hose and fittings to go to the front bumper. I installed it 4 years ago (over 200 airups), and have not had it fail or show signs of wear.
When I installed the ARB, I stopped using my two 10 gal CO2 tanks. (I didn't throw them away :) The reason I switched was that filling the tanks cost me about $20 each to fill at local welding supply shops (such as Airgas) and each 10 gal tank was good for about 11 tires (a little less than 3 air-ups) so each complete air up of my jeep cost me about $7.00 in CO2, totalling $350 per year.
You complained about overheating your ARB after airing up just 9 tires, so you must be airing up a couple of your friends each time. I've never overheated my ARB, but I only air up my jeep. I air it up year round on the desert, so temps go up to 120 degrees (much hotter under the hood). For me, reliability is not an issue (yet!)
If you are airing up 9 tires very often, your CO2 cost would be over $25 for each 9 tires. I did like being to air up quickly with the CO2, but to me the cost of saving a few minutes doesn't justify the expense and inconvenience in taking the tanks to the shop for refills. When I was wheeling in remote places ("Overlanding") it was impossible to keep my tanks filled. In those cases the electric pump is a lot more convenient . So, if you just run out and back local trails and don't mind paying for the convenience of airing up fast, the tank is great. If you are wheeling often or airing up multiple times in remote places you can save a lot of money with an electric pump. BTW, in our local club, that holds runs weekly year round, only a few of the over 100 members use tanks, and most of them carry a portable electric pump so they can always be able to air up if they run out of CO2.
very well said. Thank you for the input
Most welding supply stores also fill CO2 tanks. Typically they are a lot less expensive than paintball shops.
Coming from a lowrider n custom car background, I have bagged hundreds of cars since the 90s. So when I took to offroading, I went with a 5 gallon Hoosier tank and dual Viair 444 compressors. They have worked reliably over the years for all my customers and my rides. I use it to inflate from about 15psi to 50psi on my 10 ply 35x12.50r17s on my 08 3500HD. I also run air tools off of it when necessary. Stuffed it under the bed where factory spare went. I run dual spares in my bed instead. I will say, if it's cold as balls outside, 30 seconds per tire is great! I just cant see paying $30 for refill whenever I run low.
I have used both. Currently have the arb twin air compressor, it takes 2 minutes per tire @ 12 psi to 40psi. I did have an ARB twin air compressor grenade after one and half years. ARB shipped me a replacement after I emailed them a copy of receipt. ARB has a lifetime warranty, they pay shipping within the first 2 or 3 years and you pay shipping after that. I had my CO2 tank fall over on its side while filling my tires. The air hose froze within seconds and blew a hole in another few seconds. I got ice burn on my hand even with gloves on. My tank was not mounted and secured like yours and became a problem once on its side. I did love being able to fill up all of my tires within a few minutes. The tank I had took up too much space in my Jeep.
Powertank is cool, and yes it is faster, but one thing that i believe makes it more versatile is its application in colder environments or seasons. A powertanks pressure will drop dramatically in colder conditions, leaving you with less filling capabilities. What make the ARB nice is its versatilitty in different conditions.
Thank you for the honest opinion on the ARB on board compressor! I was considering getting one but now I know I made the right decision. I used a small portable compressor for a couple years. It works but it's slow and heats up quickly. I opted to buy the Smittbilt 10lb CO2 Tank for cost reasons compared to the Power Tank. Smittybilt $278. I can fill up all four 35" tires from 14psi to 30psi 4 to 5 times easily. It takes about 38 -40 seconds per tire. Tank refills at the local Home Brew Beer supply store for about $23. The only issue I had was the regulator on the tank quit working the 2nd time I used it. Smittybilt stepped up right away and sent me a new regulator no questions asked. The Smittybilt tank seems a little less quality compared to the PowerTank as far as the gauges go but it does get the job done and it cost about half as much as the PT. I keep the portable compressor on board as a back up.
I've been running a 10lb tank for so many years I've lost track...It was mounted in the bed of my 2wd pre-runner and yes I'm the envy of every other guy waiting for his cute little compressor to air back up...Since that was a 2wd I really only aired down the rear tires which means I got a fair amount of air ups...Now I've got a my first ever 4wd truck (a 2018 Ford Raptor) so will have to see how long the 10lbs lasts...
A couple of hints: First get the PT digital scale so you can really tell how much there is left in the tank, second don't run power tools (which I did for several years) instead there are really great cordless 1/2" guns out there for the lug nuts which will really save on CO2.
I also really like the PT air chuck with the liquid filled gauge and the clip on end...
The regulator and hose end does get very cold but one reason the PT stuff costs so much is its really high quality and can take that cold.
Sorry for the long comment...enjoy your videos!
I appreciate your assistance with the hints! You definitely know your stuff and congrats on the new truck! Let me know if you have any questions about getting your Raptor set up.
I used to run power tanks 10 years back. When I bought the new '14 Rubicon, the power tanks stayed in the "87 YJ for the air lockers. Several times I did have problems with the Power Tanks pressure valve icing up on humid or rainy days. It would not freeze up, but would slow way down on it's delivery of the CO2. I also had a problem with the tires bleeding off any CO2 through the rubber back down to the pressure I had aired down to. Three weeks later, they would be back down to 15lbs and I would have to air them back up with the garage compressor. NOT a big deal. Lately, I have been using a Viair 450P 100% duty cycle portable single air compressor and gave the Power Tanks to the lad that bought out '87YJ back in January this year. The Viair has worked great and has never gotten hot enough where it shut off due to over heating. I run the Viair on the RF floorboard with the A/C blowing across the cylinder with the cooling fins. It still works great and I don't have to re-air-up 3 weeks later. Now that I have a jeep with 37" tires, the Viair is just a little slow for my liking. 25 minutes to air up all 4 tires from 18 to 32 psi. SO, I did some research and decided on the ARB Portable Twin compressors. They are rated the highest CFM (6.16 max), 100% duty cycle at 100 PSI at 70 degree ambient temperature. This tells me that "I DO NOT WANT TO MOUNT IT UNDER THE HOOD OR UNDER THE FRAME NEAR THE EXHAUST because of the ambient temps in those locations. (250-400 degrees) I run two 3.5" tubes down from my A/C ducts to cool the ARB Twin sitting on my RF passenger seat. Yesterday, I put it though it's paces airing up my Motor Home AND trailer tires from 60psi up to 110 psi. I ran the ARB Twin full tilt, 100% duty cycle for over 1.5 hours up to 110 PSI. It NEVER got over 145 degrees according to my laser temp gun and I could bare hand it anywhere on the compressors. The only time I gave it to rest was when I was switching form one corner to the next. ARB states 245 max working temps with a thermal cut off at 275 degrees. With under the hood temps btw 250-300, the compressors mounted under the hood are HOT when they start working. Don't blame them when they eat themselves up. PLUS, even though I am NOT A TREE HUGER, I also am glad to be doing my part to NOT contribute to the massive amounts of CO2 killing our planet.
Randy another drawback with a power tank is you loose rear storage area and with that larger tank you loose a lot of room.
I agree they do take up room, and for a Jeep sized vehicle I'm sure space can run out pretty quick if you carry a lot of gear...I had a 1/2 ton truck with plenty of room in the bed, so for me it wasn't an issue...
John Garcia definitely a concern for me as I sleep in the back of my Jeep when camping.
You can mitigate that a bit though. He bought the biggest tank available. The 10lb tank is quite small and their are roll bar mounting options that get it off the floor. Still it is larger than the ARB compressors.
The primary disadvantages of a power tank are size, capacity, recurring cost, and opportunity time loss. The problem with the original compressor system was that it was badly engineered and manufactured to fit in a restricted space in the engine compartment. Alternate installation locations combined with small increased in size would have a low impact on cost (probably lowering it), while improving reliability and serviceability..
AND IT'S A BOMB. Mount that thing in the wrong place, roll into a sharp rock, and goodbye hearing.
Hi, I have tried a lot of portable compressors but these wear out quickly. Also, it takes forever to inflate from 0 to 30p. So, I came up with a solution and built out one. I used a 0.5ton compressor of a fridge and welded a hose connector to its output valve. For electricity supply, I connected it with a 500 watt - 12 volt DC to 220 volt AC converter (small circuit board only). Mounted everything in a small box and put it in the back of the car. I have been using it for past 10 years and it works great. It just doesn't have a pressure gauge on it (which I think, I can easily put on it too but just never tried it) so I have to check for air pressure only after I remove it from Tyre. It just take around under 4 mins to fill a Tyre 0 to 30. All this costed me around $30.
I think your biggest problem with the air compressor is that you mounted it in the engine bay. Heat is the killer of a lot of things including compressors.
Looks like a reasonable thing if you live and 4WD close to a major centre, but here in Aus where a lot of us head out to remote areas to get away from the crowds and find the best campsites/fishing spots/tracks it can be thousands of km away from the nearest place to refill a tank on such a system. I'll stick with my ARB compressor as not only does it do my tyres, it also runs my rear pro locker
I have had my Power Tank for many years (maybe 10+) and love it. We use it in the toy hauler when taking dirt bikes or a UTV and obviously when we take the jeeps out.
I have never had a onboard compressor. I like the mobility and simplicity of the Power Tank.
if you just put a 10lt tank on the arb compressor it takes the heat out of the air and it doesn't overheat at all. ARB pressure switch is 150psi which it plenty.
I've gone for a scuba tank system. I already had the tank and the regulator as I'm a diver. A low pressure inflator tyre inflator and a foam tank holder were the two purchases I had to make. Super fast to inflate tyres... About 2 seconds per 1 psi.
I started out with a C02 system from PowerTank and i love it for the speed and it's ability to run my air tools, then i added the twin ARB under the passenger seat as well as a backup to the tank in case i was on a trip out of town and ran out of CO2 and that works out nice as well. I have found a nicer solution to the paint ball shops that worked out pretty good... i bought a 60# siphon tank and get that filled and got a transfer hose and a scale and just refill my own...
1) for the cost
2) the paint ball shops i was using were only telling me the tank was full but they only out in about 1/2 and unless you use a scale there is no way to tell.
3) getting my 60# filled in only $31 including tax
4) the down side is you have to buy the 60# tank the 1st time ( mine was $300 ) then you just swap it out for a full one.
The issue with filling tanks is that if you don't freeze the tank or really cool it down quite a bit it's not possible to fill it all the way, so i put mine in the freezer over night and then you get a perfect fill every time.
it all works great for me
Thanks for that info Chris.
Very true! When shopping around, it's good to check if the shop does a transfill (like your paintball shop) or if they have a CO2 pump on premises. Whether they have a pump or not, it's a good idea to chill your bottle before bringing it in. Even with the CO2 pump at our shop, we still chill all of our bottles for about half an hour in the freezer before filling.
plus a long time ago i saw a shop submerse them in a cold water tank as well... obviously they did lots of fills to have a tank like that set up in advance, what i'd like to do is set up something like the propane bottle distribution locations only in 4x4 shops that will just exchange bottles used for airing up so you can get a nice looking bottle back.
I'm running a hard wired 1500w continuous / 3000w peak sine wave inverter and a dewalt 6 gallon pancake compressor (10 amp, 165 max psi, 2.6 scfm) that I take with when needed. The inverter was less than $100 and I already had the compressor. For less than $100 I have have a mobile air source that will air up a 35 inch tire in 30 seconds. Even if you had to buy everything you need to duplicate this setup, it would cost under $250. As an added bonus, you have a 110v air compressor thay you can use for light duty chores and an inverter that you can use to power 110v tools in the field. Just make sure you secure the compressor when you're out on the trail.
This is the most practical solution I've seen! what power inverter brand are you running?
Let me tell you a story that may save some lives. In 1994 I worked as a sanitary pipe welder. We dealt with lots of stainless steel, pumps, valves, etc. While working at a soda plant in California that produces the uncola we had to install a ss tank that was about 6 feet in diameter and 20 feet tall. I had to send a guy into the tank from the manhole on the top in install the uhmw bushing that the manufacturer forgot to install. Ordinarily breathing air should not have been a problem for 1 man in the tank. The tank had a 2 inch opening on the bottom with nothing attached and the manhole on top. As my coworker went in the tank somebody else that wanted to be in charge but had a problem paying attention stuck what he thought was a 1/4" air line in the bottom of the tank. The majority of the valves in these plants are air operated and there are air lines all over the place. The difference here was that this particular soda pop plant ran Co2 to all of it's valves. Co2 is odorless, colorless and will kill you before you even know it. Before I found out about the Co2 line in the tank I noticed mu coworker couldn't climb out and he was getting light headed and confused. Had it not been for the SCBA or Self Contained Breathing Apparatus that the plant had for emergency's they would have pulled a corpse out of that tank. Having a Co2 tank inside your vehicle with a regulator and hose that goes off road is a disaster waiting to happen.
An accident thankfully avoided but caused by negligence. When mounted properly and used according to directions, a Power Tank is harmless in even extreme situations. Our brackets are tested at the King of the Hammers and the Baja 1000. Our regulator guards are machined in the USA from solid billet aluminum to protect the valve and regulator assembly. There is a blow off cap set at 3000 psi to prevent bottle or valve damage from over pressurization. And unlike Carbon Monoxide, there are signs of elevated CO2 concentrations, as you've stated yourself. If you suspect a leak, simply open a window, a task made much easier when you're not trapped in a pipe.
Only it you think it is air.
When all else fails your solution is open the window??? I think you need to open one.
@@PowerTankOfficial i don't agree with you. First mistake is thinking your product is 100% accident proof.
Most accidents are human operator induced.
Great video, I do love CO2 tanks for carbonation water or to make soda water, I own 3 X 10 lbs CO2 tanks, 2 tanks are used at home for the water fountain and the the last tank is in my car, I bought the cheap version of the Power Tank, this is the Smittybilt Compact Air system. I drive a BMW and I am really tired of adding air to my tires with an electric pump that takes 2-3 minutes for a couple of lbs. BMW's are kind of sensitive with air pressure, just 1 lbs under and will turn the TPMS light ON. This tank is bulky and heavy, but takes a few seconds to add air. If I stop at a gas station, sometimes they charge $ 3.00 for air and it also takes a few minutes to add it. This tank is around the $ 300, the purpose is to make it faster rather than saving money.
I use a York210 AC Compressor to just pump air. There are two 4.5 Gallon Air Tanks I mounted on the Frame Rails of my Dodge RAM. The York takes about 3 minutes at idle to fill the tanks from 0-200PSI. The Refill from the 165-200PSI switch is 15 Seconds at idle and 8 if I am driving. I have a tool port under the hood regulated to 100psi and one in my tool box that goes strait to the 200PSI tanks. The compressor can do 9+ CFM @ 90PSI by itself and can run most air tools by itself. I paid $37 for the compressor at the U-Pick-it Parts place from a 1973 Mercedes. The compressors are found on a lot of mid '70 to mid '80's Cars and trucks. I designed the brackets to mount the Compressor on my HEMI engine and they were cut out of 3/16 steel with a 1400W Laser. To get room to fit it, I had to replace the intake & filter with a cold air kit. I also have a filter to remove Water and Oil from the Air line. a 235psi blow off valve, and a 300 PSI sensor to a digital gauge on the dash. I also installed a sight glass to monitor the oil level in the compressor. It uses about 1 oz of oil per hour of run time.
I was thinking about aunning a tank. But i looked around and decided im going to get (2 )12v dual piston portable compressors off ebay around 50-60$ a piece and hard mount them under my hood to the battery. And fill the tires on both side of my jeep at the same time! Cutting my fillup time im half. It easily keeps them in thier duty cycle and dont have to worry about overheating. Ive been told a hard wired portable compressor works a littler better than the alligator clips and also i fill mine and a buddies tires at the same time if needed. Also ive ran 2 compressors of the same battery before without issue. And the whole set up is just over $100. So i could fill all 4 tires in 6 min and not have to pay hundress of dollars. You just need the space under the hood. My 93 yj doesnt have an AC compressors so i have plenty of rool to make a bracket and mount mine there without issue. Also ive never heard of anyome trying this soo it should be afun experiment and a very good saving if it works out.
For at least 10 years, I’ve used a 20lb grey CO2 tank with a fixed Powertank 150psi regulator. I usually swap it out after 5 fills, 10 psi 35” KM3 to 40psi (lots of highway driving to trails). I used to just swap it out at hydroponic suppliers here in Las Vegas for $12-18 a swap. Sometimes you get aluminum tank, sometimes it’s steel. The two shops I used to go to are gone! So I went to a welding supply shop. $58 for a swapped tank. 😓 not sure what I’ll do going forward. I’m on 38” now so a compressor doesn’t seem like a good idea for me.
All I got out of this is, absolutely no upside to getting a power tank! So I’ll be sticking with my arb twin which I’ve had for almost 10yrs & has never let me down!
The air system in my Cayenne is factory and over 14 years old... I use it for everything... I'm glad you posted this about the ARB as we had considered one instead of using the onboard air.
Great video .. where did you get the brackets for your power tank .. thanks in advance.
Just purchased the 10 lb. tank system...will never go back! Thanks for sharing!!
I use a largish 12v compressor plumbed in to 2 medium-sized air tanks. By filling the air tanks on the trail, I can fill all 4 tyres from 18 to 33psi in about 6 min including unpacking and packing up the hose. Not as fast as compressed CO2 but less hassle having to fill up the tank, cheaper and 2 smaller tanks are safer than one large in terms of weight and stored pressure. Also can unplumbed the tanks to run the compressor directly to the hose to the tyres if there is a problem.
tossed our ARB a few years back for similar reasons as you. we then opted for the viair constant duty with the 2.5 gallon tank. i used air brake lines for big rigs in my plumbing set up and have not experienced those types of failures you experienced, in my plumbing. part of our reason for on board air is the '07 runs ARB lockers front and back. now in the '18 i have E lockers so a tank like this is a viable option. i am currently using the lil viair in a bag for the '18 which does fine on the 33's. but i certainly am looking at other options, this being high on the list. but like all things when you are spending your own money, lots of research first lol it dont grow on trees! nice vid. thx for sharing.
I use the Viair RV450 system. Everything fits in one bag; easy to move between vehicles; 10psi to 40 psi in 90 seconds (faster than ARB, slower than CO2); lower cost; longer cycle time than ARB; takes up less space; quieter than ARB. Onboard air is over-rated. If I need a supplemental air tank, for lockers, air horns, air bags, etc., I can still mount one inside the frame underneath and plumb it to fill with the Viair when needed (I did this on my F-350).
Refill cost too much. I would rather wait 2.5 min and it free
I have a viair 444. I run it on a 20 gallon tank at 160 psi. I have had it for several years. I have had some leaks but the compressor has held up extremely well. People say the tank is “too big” but ive never had a problem. I can air up tire super quick because of the large capacity at 160 psi. I also have my compressor hooked to an isolated dual battery setup. So I can air up without fear of killing my starting battery.
Built my c02 tank from a polyperformance 15 lbs tank and reg. Also have powertanks hose and tire inflator with oil guage. Powertank's 6' tire inflator is an awesome product and I recommend getting it if someone builds their tank like I did. Total came out to about $250 with polyperformance's tank mount. No need to spend the extra money for a Powertank tank. Haven't used it enough to see how many fills I get with 37s yet but it fills quick and runs powertools on the trail with ease. Just remember to keep the regulator up when in use. *Note: Powertanks regulator outputs much more pressure than Poly Performace's reg does but I couldn't justify the price. That may be an upgrade in the future but Poly's $40 reg can't be passed up.*
I use two standard electric pumps running into a home made manifold to which i connect a flexible air hose and can pump a standard tyre in a couple of minutes. Each pump cost me less than a tenner and twice that for the other bits. They are bolted into the back of my Discovery where one of the extra seats stows. Mine is a five seater with the optional two seats that fold out in the boot area. The pumps are powered by a hard wired fused supply switched by the ignition. I'm happy to spend a few minutes pumping the four tyres up. Maybe my pace of life is slower than yours :)
I keep meaning to look at fitting a reservoir tank in the opposite seat space instead of running straight from the pump. If i eventually get around to doing this then the locomotive horn may end up being fitted...
Interesting. Just installed a twin, 4-hose system on my JL. Super fast and all four tires maintain exactly the same pressure as you’re keeping an eye on the dashboard pressure indicators. Crossing my fingers it does not blow up in a year!
I had an arb compressor in my old rig. Never any issues with it in 12 years. Sold that rig and bought a powertank for my new rig. Very fast but the regulator either shows full or empty so you never know when you are gonna run out of air if you use power tools or what ever so you don't know if you will be able to actually air back up. That was a major issue for me since I often snow wheel away from home at 3psi in my tires and need to air back up to go back home. Also where I live only one place fills them and it costs me 42$ to fill my 10#. Gone back to compressor I now have dual 480c viair and my powertank is for sale.
I used an old a/c compressor rigged up with a fire extinguisher bottle and a toggle switch on the clutch. Junkyard parts didn't cost much, and you can switch it around so you can pull vacuum as well. I did it like that specifically because I didn't want to spend a lot of money on it......works ok.
One of the best pumps. You can get very high pressure out of an ac pump, very few moving parts too. However, you need to be drawing in clean dry air as the ac pumps are built for being in a sealed system and also pumping gas with oil in it for lubrication. It will fail at some point, but they tend to run for a good while before they do.
A predictably unsafe setup,. Fire extinguisher bottles are not rated for high-pressure gas containment, not even the output of an A/C compressor.
A C02 fire extinguisher bottle is
@@Sethjxl get a York
@@psdaengr911 Most are pressure tested to 300-500+ PSI its fine. Be sure to read.
York210 compressor and a 6" square tube bumper tank. $200 for the York, new belt to power it, wired the clutch to a cut off switch, fabricated my tank out of a piece of 6" square tubing buy capping the ends, drilling a hole then tapping it, added fittings. Then installed a water and dirt filter between the York and the tank to keep it clean. So now my engine fills up my tank as I drive so I always have it full when I need it.
I know this is an air compressor/CO2 video but I really dig that hood lock at the beginning. I'm always afraid someone is going to jack a mounted compressor and so I bought Smittybilt. Its portable, I can toss it in the back seat floor when I'm out exploring and bring it inside at night.
I have the smaller version and it's been a rock solid performer for 6 years now, running my lockers as well as airing up my tires innumerable times after a day on the trails. This is the 2nd one I've had, the 1st I sold with my last truck still running like a champ. I have no idea what the issue is with yours, I wish I'd been on your street on trash day. Sure the tanks are faster, but they won't run my ARB air lockers, and it still only takes me 5 minutes or so to air back up to highway pressure from 15 psi.
thanks for watching, but yes, a Power Tank WILL run your ARB air lockers!
I have an ARB twin pump under the passenger seat and 1 gallon air tank under the Jeep by the passenger foot well. Never had a problem... My whole campsite is inflatable - 2 queen mattresses an inflatable tent... So it’s running for about 15 mins solid at every camp site 3-4 Site’s per trip - then for about 5 mins on the way off the trail for tires. 8-10 times a year for 5 years. A tank wouldn’t be able to cope with the volume of air for my camp site as its primary purpose. I’d run out 1/2 way and be stuck with nothing unless I had two large tanks - one of which would always be half full. Or the backup hand pump sweating away at that... The ARB twin and tank are invisible and always there...
I’m using a 25 lb co2 tank got from my buddy’s restaurant. He charges me 32 bucks or the exchange. I bought an adjustable regulator off ebay that looks very similar to the power tank regulator. Works great and runs my air tools. I’ll be using this to spray raptor liner as I can dial in the exact pressure, unlike an air compressor that varies. The tanks are ugly, so I cut up a pair of the wife’s yoga pants to make a sleeve for the tank. Kinda like a reusable wrap.
HA! Love the wrap idea. 😂
I have my ARB compressor installed, in 2007 JK Rubicon, in the floor storage compartment behind the rear seat. Excellent, caus it's in an area of low temp, receives cool, clean air, and runs without any probs. It runs to activate ARB diff locks front and rear and inflate tires. CO2 system takes up tooooo much room!!! Space is important. Cheers, Phil - New Zealand
I'm running a cheap $20 amazon air compressor right now. I'd like to upgrade soon and personally I'm leaning towards getting an air compressor because I go on cross country road trips and there are places where I doubt I'd be running into any places selling CO2. With an air compressor you have air on demand, with the trade off being reliability; it seems that your ARB compressor gives you a fair warning before it dies and ARB has a great warranty, with them being a well known company that is going to stay around I'm sure that they are working to fix their product.
I do think It'd be cool to have a power tank that you can fill up at any normal old gas station air compressor. That'd be a convenient middle ground between the two. That way, you can carry your own air compressor(even a cheap $20 one) refill it while ya drive and have the big ole tank for when you need it.
Anyways, if you haven't given away your ARB compressor yet, I'd love to take it off your hands. Hell I'll pay you for it because i really do need an upgrade. Thanks for the video, really enjoyed your reviews.
I have believe your location is the issue. I have mounted mine under the passenger seat in the cab, and many others in my group have as well. Not a single issue with the in cab mounted compressors. I need a compressor to run my lockers, and that's really important. Just as important is that space in my cargo area. This seems like a clever solution for people who dont spend much time away from "town" when they go offroad.
My personal opinion - ARB compressor mounted under the hood taking on the engine heat and dust from the trail all day has got to be bad for it. I use a ViAir compressor that I run a hose from the compressor to my spare tire/wheel. I went and added a 2nd tire valve on to the wheel. Then I attach a 2nd hose to the spare tire and then run it around to the 4 tires that are on the ground. This essentially gives me a free spare air tank (low pressure 80psi max, high volume) that takes up zero extra space and does not require the compressor to run as much to pump up the 4 tires.
I have an ARB high capacity compressor but it's the set up that it has its own box and house as camp cables to connect to the battery. I'm not a hardcore off roader due to living in south florida but I do love how I can just move it from vehicle to vehicle
I love my 10 lb power tank. Only issue I’ve had is the strap holding it was loose for some time and it grooved the tank and I may have to replace. I bought it after my 500 dollar viair compressor took a dump in about a year. I’m never going back the cost to refill is minimal in my opinion vs the convenience
Up here in the Pacific North West, yank the doors off and the A/C can go away-- or turn it into onboard air! I kick the r's up to about 1500 & it'll fill 37s from 15psi to 40psi in about a minute each. Sanden style pumps have five or seven pistons pumping together for high volume; add a tank and you've got enough air for air tools (sometimes in short bursts).
I've been using an ARB compressor for about 3 years. It keeps blowing hoses close to the compressor because the air coming from the compressor gets really hot. As a result I've been considering trying a power tank but I will be keeping my ARB as a back-up...
I use CO2 also but not Power Tank brand. The reason I switched from a small compressor was speed and versatility. With CO2 tank, I can move it from one vehicle to another easily and use it for other applications... I have used it to run air nailers and other air powered tools. I have not tried it with a large air impact gun yet but they say it will work..
3 years ago I bought 2 150psi - 150 litres a minute ebay compressors for $80 each. Made a housing to fix them together in the tray of my ute. Plumbed them in incorporating a switch in the dash, a pressure switch to turn it off when at 90 psi and 2 outlets; 1 on the bullbar and 1 one the rear bumper. Hasn't missed a beet. (to be honest, I thought it would have packed it in by now) At 300 litres a minute (technically), it's great. I do like the Powertank but it seams a little big for me.
Awesome video. I too agree with the Powertank or a DIY CO2 canister. I’ve seen the ARBs fail too often and like you said, the more connections and fittings you have, the more likely you are to have a failure.
Safety is number one. Not sold on a tank in my Jeep not to mention the space it requires. Thanks for sharing...
It's best to have the compressor *and* the PowerTank. If price is a concern, you can DIY with a DOT approved tank and a regulator.
10 years with an ARB CKMA12, no issues...except for waiting 4 months for an O-ring rebuild kit that even ARB didn't have in stock.
Thank you! What I've been saying
Harbor freight sells metric and standard O ring kits
That's amazing, maybe they made them better back then. The two I've had crapped out in less than 2 years.
I'm sold. Like that air up speed. Been through a couple compressors myself and sometimes I'll just drive home with 10-15psi after a long day or days on the trail. Once drove 500 miles in 15psi until the gas mileage made me air up. First world problems.
I have used a 15 # power tank for 15 years or so. Still the same unit, had an issue with the regulator and they rebuilt it for me no problem...even gave me a bunch of stickers with the bill. It was WAY out of warranty. I am building a York based compressor for my Jeep as a back up.
I use a compressor that feeds a set of hoses to each tire, such rig NOT mounted on vehicle. So getting it out and stowing it away is a royal pain in the clock. I typically air down to 8 psi and highway pressure is 36. So a tank feeding my 4 tire rig would be great! If I do what you have done, could I use nitrogen from a welding supply shop? Seems it would be cheaper by eliminating the retail middle man.
I've had a powertank for many years and it is a well made product. I have noticed that the CO2 does not maintain pressure well in small volume tires such as bicycle tires. For whatever reason the pressure drops off days to weeks after a CO2 fill whereas with air it does not (or is far slower). The bigger the tire (and the lower the pressure) the less this will be a problem. Check the tire pressures more often. The regulators do need rebuilding at some point, but they are small so carrying a spare would not be difficult, thought they are expensive (and carrying a backup portable compressor is probably a more effective plan). The CO2 refills are less costly at a welding gas supply store, and the minimum charge is about enough to fill a 15 pound tank so filling anything smaller will not be as cost effective. It is great to run an air tool with, but the space, size and weight are a burden to carry. If you are in a hurry it is a great way to go. Since it is possible to run out of CO2 it is wise to carry a backup portable compressor, and that also allows you to conserve the CO2 for those times where you are in a rush. It is best not to carry compressed/liquid gas cylinders in the passenger compartment. Small amounts of CO2 in the open is not generally a problem, but in an enclosed space it is very dangerous. Be safe! :)
Got mine the other day for my JL. It mounts high on the roll bar so it is out of the way. The mount is referred to as a "sport mount" and is exclusive for the JL and sold separately.
I use a Typhoon twin pot air compressor at the moment.
In a previous vehicle I made my own system out of an old air-conditioning compressor plumber in to an old converted forklift LPG cylinder mounted under the tray.
I would engage the compressor clutch 100m from the car park and by the time I got there I had a full 150 psi head of air and could air up 4 X 1050 R 15 tyres from 12 psi to 30 psi in 2 minutes flat.
Unfortunately no room for an extra A/C compressor in my new car 😞
Great video! I’m running two Viair 450H compressors that are 100% duty with a small 2 gallon tank over rear axle. No push fittings, all stainless hoses with 4AN fittings. Compressors were in my last rig and haven’t failed me yet. Running lines to both bumpers with ARB air chuck with rubber covers. I’ll turn it on couple minutes before airing up and tank fills with 150psi.
How fast do two viair compressors fill up a tire? I have just one and it takes quite some time and also overheats at some point, not good if towing a trailer with another 6 tires
getstuk , two viair 450H will air up a 2 gallon air tank in about one minute to 150psi. I air down to 18psi with Staun and one tire to air back up is less than a minute. I went to Anza Borrego couple weeks ago and used a Jinkey dual tire inflator with a ARB single tire inflator and it worked really good. Got it on Amazon for $39 and it has a digital tire gauge to.
I've used a SCUBA tank for many years. Its essentially the same idea. However a SCUBA tank only cost 4 to $5 to refill.
You can use air tools with this type of setup. An 80 cubic foot scuba tank provides enough air to swap out a ring and pinion or any other type of major repair on the trail
I use a small 12volt direct drive compressor which is sealed in an air tight container which allows me to use it as both an air inflation device as well as a vacuum source. It has fittings to suit standard workshop quick connectors and is connected to a 4.5kg gas bottle. It’s extremely lightweight and due to its size can run for hours without draining the battery or overheating. Its easily transferable between vehicles and very compact. I spent under $80 for the complete setup, it’s been working for more than 12 years without issues. Takes me longer to inflate the bigger rubber but I’m happy to wait a few extra minutes knowing that I’m saving weight and money having it.
Dino's Shed What is the benefit of having a vacuum source? Pulling suction on fluids to allow drain plugs to be swapped?
I have quite a bit of experience with HPA compression from running a 3 stage compressors up to 5000 PSI for over a decade. The one thing I would caution is running air tools with CO2. Short term use is fine but frequently using CO2 - my issue is with the moisture CO2 can sent into your tools. Metal and moisture don’t play well. Make sure you follow you MNF oiling recommendations for your tool. If you run expensive air tools consider an inline filter that contains a desiccant. Miller makes a decent one intended for plasma cutters and such when sending air that has high moisture.
I have a question too. What output pressure did you use to get that 28 second tire fill? I use an HPA regulator to bring down a paintball 45ci tank set at 100PSI to run air tools and to inflate my tires. This combo works great for small jobs and is ultraportable.The reason I keep it at 100 PSI is most air tools like that PSI. My car tires fill up fast enough at that pressure. I’m curious the output pressure these Powertanks fill at.
The Powertank has an adjustable regular with gauge indicators for lockers, tools and tires - so you can dial it in for your use. I believe the range it indicates for tires is about 150psi. Whatever that gauge-range is for tires, is what we got the 28 second inflation time with.
NotaRubicon Productions Thanks for the quick reply. I wanted to increase my output pressure up to see what a fast refill is like. Will give the 150PSI a try 👍
Is there a safety factor carrying the CO2 system inside your Jeep? After enjoying your off road adventures and you're home, do you replace the CO2 with regular compressed air in your tires? My Jeep is a daily driver too. My buddy gave me a 20lb CO2 tank from his restaurant. I assume it would be fine to use. All I need is a regulator and a mounting bracket for the tank.
One of the main benefits of a Power Tank over other CO2 systems is our billet Regulator Guard designed to protect your regulator and valve from a 4 ft vertical drop onto concrete. Our competitors use cheap cast parts or typical, standard plastic handles. We saw a Power Tank survive a nasty rollover accident (as well as the occupants inside, thankfully) because of our handle. Check it out: instagram.com/p/Bty-GqejfXQ/
Fortunately, our Power Tank handles fit multiple standard tank necks so they can be fit onto your beverage CO2 bottle.
CO2 is perfectly safe to leave in your tires. We have a whole page dedicated to the subject on our website and include third party articles: powertank.com/pages/nitrogen-truths-and-myths
I carry a $30 harbor freight 12v compressor. Its still going strong after airing up many times over the past 2 years.
G'day from Australia... I use a "PX07" 3/4hp 12 volt air compressor (100% duty cycle), coupled to a LPG cylinder (you guys in the states call it "propane"). The compressor is the first thing I fire up each time I start the Silverado. It provides air for a couple of LARGE and loud sets of horns as well as front/rear quick connects and air bags (both rear suspension assist and the Airsafe Hitch. Here in Australia, we tend to do a lot of remote travel and filling a CO2 bottle wouldn't be possible a lot of places we go. I'm wondering what pressure you were operating your ARB unit at please? My system cuts off at 120psi.
Mine is in the cab.. clean, cold air, ran to a 2.5 gl. Tank, you ever herd off basic preventive maintenance?
I admit that I am not impressed with my dual ARB compressor. Waiting for it to break then I will replace it. My friend did the majority of the install and I installed it under the passenger seat since it's pretty big but it is loud. It took so much of day that I felt bad and gave hime a case of ammo along with the case of good beer that I gave him. It's slow compared to the York OBA I had in my TJ. It would have been $1800 to buy a York kit for the JKU so I chose the ARB over a tank because I didn't want to have to deal with keeping the tank filled. Once the ARB goes out if I can't afford a York system I will get a Powertank. My rear ARB locker is hooked up my dual compressor so it serves that purpose.
Could you use the CO2 as a fire extinguisher. I could therefore discard my extinguisher and compressor to justify the size and weight of this tank.
I have a jeep , they're known for fires so I have a big extinguisher, as well as a compressor. I could possibly make a fire suppression system, like mining vehicles.
I have had to go back to arb twice with my compressor because it would get that hot the hose would melt and blow off the plug that goes in the compressor. The first time I used it they had a different release and it didn’t have any coverage of the metal release mechanism and it burnet three of my fingers and it was about 3-5mm deep and when I showed them they said it would have to be sent to Melbourne HQ to be assessed. When I got it back two weeks later it had been changed to the new mechanism which is covered in thick rubber and I had the same issue with the hose melting and they got me to show them how I used it to pump up my tyres. So I showed them and they tried to say I had pumped it for to long in between tyres and then I said in the manual it states that I could do two tyres then let it cool before doing the other two. The funniest part of me showing them is I couldn’t even be bent over for that amount of time as I had trouble with my back and I said when I do my tyres I have a ice cream break in between the first two tyres and then my son helps with the second two and we take about 20-30 minutes to do all four tyres. So they gave me a new one used once on 4x4 and more show on channel 7 and a spare hose and said they couldn’t do any more with it as they had done all they could because I was past the warranty and my father in-law got a Aldi one ($99.95) and it does same size tyres and twice as fast for a fifth of the price?????
Wow,, we go to a lot of places in Canada and out west that are way off-grid. I've been using a Viar compressor with great success for several years. Is it slow? Well yes, a lot slower than C02, but that's a really good time to take a break and relax a bit. It is a LOT lighter, ( every pound counts) and takes up a lot less space than a C02 tank (space for us is at a premium) . On top of that, what'll you do when you run out of C02 a few hundred miles from the nearest C02 dealer? (let alone the outright danger involved with having a high pressure tank on board while in a serious accident) I've been offered C02 while airing up on a couple of occasions and simply, politely said, no thanks, I'm cool, You C02 guys can keep your instant gratification for yourselves.
The ticket: a small Sears portable 110v compressor and a small dc/ac converter for power. Total cost, less than $200.00. Done. Mine happens to be Sears when my local store went belly up, I got for $100, but there are many small good air compressors and they don't take much space. Love it, easily and cheaply replaceable.
Great system. Been using something similar for some time now after also going through sh!t with a compressor style pump which ended up in the trash as well. Think the main difference comes in where some "experts" comment on pumps that they use once a year on some tiny tires and me using it 3 times or more in a week on often 6 or more big tires. My system is nothing more that a simple scuba air tank (they come in many sizes, I find a 6l steel tank works for me), may swap to a 15 or 20l tank for extended trips. Have it filled to 300bars or 200 depending on where I get it filled. Now here is the nice feature I have..... It has a unregulated port(you gonna need a rated hose for this obviously) which works brilliant for a tire off the rim in thick sand (I don't like the blowing up and setting your car on fire zippo fluid tricks) so basically unscrew the valve portion inner with appropriate tool and give the valve on the tank a quick 2 second yank on and off and wala tyre back on the rim. Then I have a adjustable regulator that I can preselect the desired pressures clip it onto the wheel you want to inflate and it will equalize to the set pressure while I'm having a cold one. Works great for getting the bbq going if the wood is moist(wont work with CO2 though). Doesn't cost me anything (I have free access to a scuba compressor) Just a tip or suggestion, bugger the CO2 that's more expensive to refill or at least where I live in Africa, normal compressed air gets the job done just fine.
I have an inverter hardwired into my Xterra, so I use one of the three gallon $40 air compressors from Harbor Freight. It's quicker than a portable tire inflator, but still small and light enough to be portable. I have outlets in the front and rear of my vehicle, which I also use to run a regular mini fridge when camping.
Kilby on board air. Complete kit 700.00 10 years no issues. Still works great. Nearly as fast as the co2. Only draw back is when the engine wont run and you need air. Needed my brothers co2 tank to use air tools to work on my engine on the trail.
i use ARB compressor with a large tank. this way, once its pressurised, compressor doesn't have to work as often increasing its longevity. also with airlockers, i don't want to risk running out of pressure while mid trail.
I use a 10# CO2 fire extinguisher as the base of a homemade powertank. Fill it and have it hydrotested every 5 years at the fire extinguisher company in town. Bought a special 150# non adjustable regulator and works great. Also can be regulated down to use air tools. I'm a carpenter, and first started using this system with a trim nailer for punch list jobs.
I have both. I only use my Power Tank as a backup because it costs $40 to fill it and it only fills my tires about 4 times with a 15 lbs tank
Here in NZ, I use a firemans breathing aperatus (BA bottle) It was costing about $6.00 per fill, ran through an oxygen regulator. It is fillable up to 3000psi. Tanks must be certified every 5 years.
Bicycle pump and my children to operate, no flabby arm kids 🤣🤣🤣 good video as always 👍
Running a modified York A/C compressor, belt driven from the engine (not 12v). 150psi. Old BBQ gas bottle as the tank. Hard lines to outlets on both sides of the 4WD
I hope you at least got them a good floor pump! Those frame mounted hand pumps are no fun for even bicycle tires! 🤣
No tuckshop lady arms in your household.
Thanks for creating another great video! We are currently working on redesigning our JKU Mount once the JLU Mount is in full production within the next few weeks. We appreciate the feedback as it helps us constantly improve our products.
My tank got grooved from the mount. I’m not sure if it was loose or not. How deep of a groove is dangerous. The gas shop said they probably won’t fill it again and I might have to buy a new tank. Thanks
I use the arb twin air with the innovative JK install kit that goes under the seat with lines run to. Oth sides of the jeep. So with that system I can air up and down all 4 tires at the same time. Very convenient and super easy to use. No problems at all and with the arb inside the jeep it never over heats.
Engine driven York compressor. Capable of 200psi, and 10+scfm. Can fill 35x12.50-15s from 10-35psi in about 60 seconds. Plenty of flow & pressure for any air tool you'd need on the trail
I no longer actively use CO2; I had a 20lb CO2 tank originally. I found that after a few flats letting out the CO2 it attracted too many mosquitos. On the trail I had the spare filled with CO2 as well, airing it down to trail pressure also attracted the mosquitoes. YUK! I do carry paintball 20oz cylinders for emergency use, but for myself in the summer the CO2 was an great annoyance. Also use CO2 for the air locker activation. Do like the silent operation of CO2 versus the electric motor noise of compressors.
What I mostly use is an over pressurized (65lbs) spare tire that airs up all four tires from 8-12lbs to 18-19lbs for on the road use with 35-40lbs still left in the spare tire after airing up. The spare tire acts as an air tank. Application is 31/10.5/15" on a Samurai. I will be testing using the spare on my Tacoma in a similar way when I get around to it. Most tires sized for the Tacoma have an on-road use maximum pressure of 80lbs. I would have no problem exceeding this pressure MAX 80lbs as the spare is not being used. My on-road pressure currently is only 28lbs on the Tacoma.
10 pound PowerTank bought 7 years ago. Love it 👍🏻
A lot of people think the compressor is slow without even trying to add an air tank to it to increase volume. Throw a 2.5 gallon air tank on there with a compressor and then it takes up the same amount of space as a power tank, without the pain of having to refill it and is just about as fast with the right compressor
ARB Dual with an 2.5 Gallon Slim tank. Yes it doesnt inflate in less than 30 seconds, take about 2 minutes per tire for 35-12.50 but since its air, doesnt introduce acidic content that eventually will damage your TPMS sensors, degrade the rubber in the tires and even damage the inside of the rim. Every time you fill up with CO2 you are generating a good amount of moisture due to the rapid pressure change in the tire. This happens with regular air too, but regular air isnt acidic. That moisture combined with CO2 produces an acid that then sits in the tire. The more you do it the more acid you build up in the tire. This can lead to potential catastrophic tire failure, damaged rims and failed TPMS sensors. Not to mention having a compressed CO2 tank at about 4000PSI in your jeep. This is why the only compressed air that any tire manufacturer and car company recomends is either Air or Nitrogen.
have you ever put\monitor jeep'a underhood temperature... and if not - worth to think how to lift bonnet fromone side to allow more airflow ( usually caused by additional protection plates etc)
I'm finishing up my first air locker setup on my Cj, honestly I never had to contimplate. I already use co2 in my daily life as a air brush artist, l blow people's minds when they see me working off a silent setup that's
unbelievably consistent. With zero Condensation Great video but!
Which one ? Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Tank is a space hog and you have to refill it on occasion. The ARB is out of sight but slower and self contained. One is faster than the other, more noise than the other, has to be wired and plumbed vs the other etc.
Regarding the plumbing leaks you experience with the ARB. Simple fix. Use a longer air hose and only one quick connect under the hood for example. Eliminates all the connections and chance for leaks. Not the coolest method as yours but a longer hose is not that big a deal once it fills up with compressed air. A good USA made rubber hose would be the most reliable vs. the plastic coils that eventually crack/split at stress points. Thanks for the information and talking points.
Viair (constant duty) compressor and ARB or Viair 1 gallon tank is the best combo to go with! I've ran my Viair filling up 8 35" tires (me and my buddy rigs) with no breaks in between. Been working for years and never fails.
Love my 10 lbs PowerTank kit installed in the bed of my Colorado ZR2! Had on board air in my old TJ and in my Gen1 Tacoma and had similar failures. Electrical and/or air system failures. Not good when you’ve aired down and trying to get home on highway! Refills can also be done at industrial air (ie welding supply stores), beverage stores (ie restaurant, home brew suppliers) or fire extinguisher servicer. Sporting goods is an easy find but usually most expensive.
For the cost, I just go for an engine driven ac compressor that's been converted like a York. The ARB pumps probably went out because they were used out of duty cycle and there isn't an oiler. I had plenty of electric compressors from Air Zenith and Viair go bad because of that(worn piston rings, scored cylinder walls, corrosion when sitting a while, reed getting clogged, bending a "connecting rod", etc.). Using a larger pump like a Viair or EDC with a 3-5 gallon tank also has benefits like being able to reseat beads and what not.
There is zero explaining away air lines failing in 3 years other than bad install or bad parts. Semi trucks use waaaaaaaaaaaay more air than a jeep and go decades without issue. You don't hear about brakes lines or power steering lines blowing out every 3 years and they handle waaaaay higher pressures. That's because they were made and installed correctly. Mount air lines away from rubbing, impact, contact or heat and use name brand fittings like Parker. Thousands of people use air lines for air suspension. No one would ever think of using it if it blew out or leaked all the time.
Power tank seems great and the speed is amazing. However my biggest problem is storage. I have a JK, but I use a VAIR system and it hasnt failed me in 9yrs. I also have the Front Runner deck for 2nd floor storage in the back so that Power tank would not be able to be mounted in the back. Yes, its slower than that power tank, and slower than the double barrel ARB system, but its compact. I run it off my Genesis dual battery setup, (no probl with power). I cant imagine being in such a hurry when you get off the trail/beach that you cant wait a couple of minutes vs airing up in 30 seconds or less. I also opted for heavy duty air lines for front and back and havent had any issues. I dont have an SPOD system use a different switch pod which I like cause its mounted on the drivers side column and looks factory vs having the SPOD which would occupy where my ham radio currently is. So my personal feelings about the ARB system and I know plenty who have it. 1. never mount anything that doesnt belong in the engine compartment, in the engine compartment. 2. Dont use those crappy plastic/vinyl hoses with cheap air connectors.. They will always leak no matter what.. Any compressor NEEDS to be kept cool while operating or you will get heat/seal failures.. and yes, pistons too. I've seen guys mount their VAIR/Air tanks in the bottom of the back of the JK and that too is a recipe for failure.. JMHO.. good luck, nice video though.. I subscribed..
Hey! Awesome review! I just happen to know Steve (PowerTank), so I'll tell him about that self-tapping screw issue. Steve will definitely want to hear feedback like that. Happy trails!
I have not use a CO2 system however I do carry 2 1.5l 9k psi nitrogen tanks intended for paintball or PCP rifles.
They do me well long as there is a local paintball ship where I can fill them. I have always dreamed to install a PTO compressor or Hydraulic compressor that I could install into my road service truck.
I really wanted to get Harrop elockers for my FJ40 but they’re incompatible with my rear semi-float axle, so I’m going to have to go with ARB air lockers. I really didn’t want to deal with the hassle of air lines, compressors, electrical, etc. Good to know there’s a simpler option out there. Thanks!