The system is very quiet. We tried to make a video without sound to make the motor noise audible. In order to do that we have to increase the volume of the audio. We'll try to do that again.
Was holding off buying another BBSHD but tired of waiting has been 2 years since started teasing this motor. Glad I didn’t give money. Could sell many if EVER produced
I was recently thinking about torque sensing using the chain tension, I was told it would not work well because of chain flapping around but still thing it could be done, looked like you have achieved it! I'm wanting to do a mid drive conversion next, my rear hub drive is great and very quiet but a bit big and heavy.
Whoever told you that doesn't know what they're talking about. Power measured via chain tension has been used for decades. The old BEAMts sensor was designed to work that way, as was the Charger bike of the 1990s. Properly designed motor controller electronics average the fluctuations in the sensor input.
I was wondering when you would come out with a system that does not depend on putting it into the bottom bracket. This is it. It looks like a really nice system. I have one of the original 750W bottom bracket kits and have been riding it here in the USA for almost 3 years without any problems. In the earlier high watt kits the temperature control kicked in to early but it looks like this system is ready to get rid of that limitation as well.
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il video presenta un kit veramente interessante, semplice e collocato in un punto giusto del telaio, spero di vedere nuovi video che illustrino più particolari e più prove. Continuate così.
@1:47 There is an error. It states the efficiency on hill terrains are thanks to the direct drive. That is not true. It's linked to the INdirect drive through a transmission that makes it hilly efficient. The chain angles and wrap percentages also look questionable for stronger riders. Umm... how does it have regeneration? That also looks like a mistake or worse, a lie. On a fixed gear bike maybe but not on any of the shown in this video. Maybe that's the marketing of "on request" as apposed to "optional"? Last criticism I promise: That last picture shows a jockey or idler pulley on the motor where it would be under large forces not designed for it. The rear derailleur pulleys are designed to only feel chain tension forces from the derailleur spring, not from pedal forces. I expect that pulley to be standard and not the tiny shallow idler type.
Hi Jon, thanks for your feedback. About @1:47, I got your point, actually we're comparing the motor to other mid drives, not to hub motors ( that would be unfair). In that case our system has a more direct transmission because the motor rpms don't need to be reduced to the human cadence, so it's more direct and thus more efficient. About chain angles and wrap percentages: we're the first to question them. That's why we tested till we were satisfied. Please understand that that's a video and it can't be exhaustive, the purpose is to highlight the main features and to share a link for those who would like to deepen the understanding of the system. If you want to get more details, you can check the campaign page here : www.indiegogo.com/projects/lightest-ebike-kit-your-bike-with-superpowers/x/22928873 . At the regeneration paragraph you'll find the following: "Regen is available on SuperHero version only. The motor is capable of converting the motion into current feeding the battery, creating a braking force. In order to achieve that, the chain needs to transmit power to the motor pinion. That is usually prevented by the freewheel on the rear wheel hub. In addition, when regenerating the chain will be tensioned on the lower part rather than the upper one as it usually happens. That means that in order to achieve Regen you'll have to switch to an internally geared hub with the freewheel locked. You'll take advantage of the freewheel inside the crankarm so that your pedals won't be dragged by the rear wheel. This will allow you to regenerate when pressing the brakes. Although the motor is capable of generate 10A of current ( 480W at 48V), the amount of energy you can regen depends on the battery you choose: all the batteries have a charging current limit. That's 2A for the 250Wh battery, 5A for the 550Wh and 670Wh batteries and 7A for the 840Wh battery. In order to calculate how much energy you can regen, consider that 10 minutes of regen ( which can be achieved by going downhill) at 5A will give you 40Wh. That's a 7% recharge on a 550Wh battery. In order to achieve REGEN, we locked the inner freewheel of the motor: for that reason, you'd feel a drag when pedaling with the motor turned off. Our suggestion to avoid that is to get a little bigger battery to make sure that we'll have a little of charge to get the motor spinning so that there won't be any drag." You'll agree that putting that into a video would be a little complicated...
You have the potential to sell thousands of these kits. Keeping prices realistic. As you know you can get a cheap hub motor kit off ebay for less then £150. I would only be interested in the the motor kit as I like to make my own batterys.
not as much power as the cyc x1 and the mtb lift,Paradox Kinetics systems plus all the other ones. lighter than the bafang though, your controller is a clone of the eggrider one, big long chain not so good off road chain will be flapping all over the place, will keep an eye on this might be really good...
Totally confused. There are SO MANY ebikes on the market that come and go, how will I know that I will even be able to get parts or service if my $3500 investment stops functioning in 8 months. A big issue, a nightmare...
Same here, instead I spent £300 to convert my bike with a simple 1000w rear hub and 20ah 48v battery off aliexpess and ebay. No gears to wear out , controller is separate so cheap and easy to upgrade if I want . I do want a mid drive but the price, noise and maintaining costs put me off a bit.
I have to wonder what this does to chain wear. You've got this tiny drive sprocket (looks like 9-tooth) on the power side (high tension) of the chain. The chain links are wrapping through much sharper angles than on a regular-size chainring and general consensus is that the more motion the links go through, the faster they will wear. Modern 11 and 12-speed chains aren't cheap and I would be leery of any system that may shorten chain life.
The motor pinion is a 10T. So the wear conditions are basically the same as with your rear 12T cog. Plus there's an advantage: the human torque and motor torque are not acting on the same chainring: that helps with the wear. After 4 years of testing we saw that the two effects counterbalance each other.
Its only assistant right? Bcos you have to paddle to drive you cant just let it drive alone due to construction. Also the motor is kinda meh toy... maybe they will add more options.
@@-joo3033 Im just asking and speaking laud there is nothing wrong with it. I mean I my self have few ebikes and even the big guys are sometimes not good enough. I dont know.
@@robertzeman4301 judking by the video they have a clutch (just like Bafang BBSXX drives) so that enables Throttle on 500W 750W and 1000W motors (IF you get the superhero perk)
This would be perfect for my e bike want to switch from a rear hub motor to a mid drive . It’s a 250 watt 36v battery. What would a motor kit run with no battery
the 250W version is pedal assist, the other versions ( 500W, 750W and 1000W) can be either pedal assist or throttle operated depending on how you set it.
Regen è disponibile solo sulla versione SuperHero. Il motore è in grado di convertire il movimento in corrente alimentando la batteria, creando una forza frenante. Per raggiungere questo obiettivo, la catena deve trasmettere potenza al pignone del motore. Ciò è generalmente impedito dalla ruota libera sul mozzo della ruota posteriore. Inoltre, durante la rigenerazione, la catena verrà tesa sulla parte inferiore anziché su quella superiore come di solito accade. Ciò significa che per raggiungere Regen dovrai passare a un mozzo con ingranaggi interni con la ruota libera bloccata. Sfrutterai la ruota libera all'interno della pedivella in modo che i pedali non vengano trascinati dalla ruota posteriore. Questo ti permetterà di rigenerarti quando premi i freni. Sebbene il motore sia in grado di generare 10 A di corrente (480 W a 48 V), la quantità di energia che è possibile recuperare dipende dalla batteria scelta: tutte le batterie hanno un limite di corrente di carica. Sono 2 A per la batteria da 250 Wh, 5 A per le batterie da 550 Wh e 670 Wh e 7 A per la batteria da 840 Wh. Per calcolare quanta energia puoi rigenerare, considera che 10 minuti di rigenerazione (che puoi ottenere andando in discesa) a 5A ti daranno 40 Wh. È una ricarica del 7% su una batteria da 550 Wh. Per raggiungere REGEN, abbiamo bloccato la ruota libera interna del motore: per questo motivo, sentiresti una resistenza quando pedali con il motore spento. Il nostro suggerimento per evitarlo è quello di ottenere una batteria un po 'più grande per assicurarci che avremo un po' di carica per far girare il motore in modo che non ci sia resistenza.
If you check here ua-cam.com/video/LWySCjN8u4s/v-deo.html you'll see it working on a 80kg guy, and here:ua-cam.com/video/djj6vLJnkec/v-deo.html on a 1.6 Ton van
@@pauls5745 it's like replying to someone looking to preorder the next Tesla that on Alibaba he will find many chinese electric car for less... That is true, but doesn't add much to the conversation.
@@lightestebikekit6200 in the title you said the weight of the kit but no you lied that’s only the weight of the motor great job talking bs to your costumers the battery and other parts are part of the kit you know that adds weight to have fun scamming
I'd like to see a video without all the music.
Is there gear train noise? If so is it tolerable?
The system is very quiet. We tried to make a video without sound to make the motor noise audible. In order to do that we have to increase the volume of the audio. We'll try to do that again.
Was holding off buying another BBSHD but tired of waiting has been 2 years since started teasing this motor. Glad I didn’t give money. Could sell many if EVER produced
I love the regen idea saves the brakes
Is it possible? Since the rear hub are freewheelling.
I was recently thinking about torque sensing using the chain tension, I was told it would not work well because of chain flapping around but still thing it could be done, looked like you have achieved it!
I'm wanting to do a mid drive conversion next, my rear hub drive is great and very quiet but a bit big and heavy.
Whoever told you that doesn't know what they're talking about. Power measured via chain tension has been used for decades. The old BEAMts sensor was designed to work that way, as was the Charger bike of the 1990s. Properly designed motor controller electronics average the fluctuations in the sensor input.
I was wondering when you would come out with a system that does not depend on putting it into the bottom bracket. This is it. It looks like a really nice system. I have one of the original 750W bottom bracket kits and have been riding it here in the USA for almost 3 years without any problems. In the earlier high watt kits the temperature control kicked in to early but it looks like this system is ready to get rid of that limitation as well.
Hi Gunther, thanks for your appreciation! We have a date: that's next Monday! If you're not yet in the newsletter list, I suggest you to do that as we're going to share some tips to get the maximum discount. You can do that here: www.lightest.bike/#Subscribe
What is going on with this? When will it be produced for sale?
Will it fit Fatbike thanks
not nearly the most affordable. on their site, for example it lists a 1000W kit for 969 Euros ($1140), and it's still listed as pre-sale!
schönes Werbefilmchen. Bin aber eher skeptisch in Bezug auf die ganzen Zahnrädchen und auf die Alltagsperformance . . .
il video presenta un kit veramente interessante, semplice e collocato in un punto giusto del telaio, spero di vedere nuovi video che illustrino più particolari e più prove. Continuate così.
It's already one year and it's still on preorder?
@1:47 There is an error. It states the efficiency on hill terrains are thanks to the direct drive. That is not true. It's linked to the INdirect drive through a transmission that makes it hilly efficient.
The chain angles and wrap percentages also look questionable for stronger riders.
Umm... how does it have regeneration? That also looks like a mistake or worse, a lie. On a fixed gear bike maybe but not on any of the shown in this video. Maybe that's the marketing of "on request" as apposed to "optional"?
Last criticism I promise: That last picture shows a jockey or idler pulley on the motor where it would be under large forces not designed for it. The rear derailleur pulleys are designed to only feel chain tension forces from the derailleur spring, not from pedal forces. I expect that pulley to be standard and not the tiny shallow idler type.
Hi Jon, thanks for your feedback. About @1:47, I got your point, actually we're comparing the motor to other mid drives, not to hub motors ( that would be unfair). In that case our system has a more direct transmission because the motor rpms don't need to be reduced to the human cadence, so it's more direct and thus more efficient. About chain angles and wrap percentages: we're the first to question them. That's why we tested till we were satisfied.
Please understand that that's a video and it can't be exhaustive, the purpose is to highlight the main features and to share a link for those who would like to deepen the understanding of the system. If you want to get more details, you can check the campaign page here : www.indiegogo.com/projects/lightest-ebike-kit-your-bike-with-superpowers/x/22928873 . At the regeneration paragraph you'll find the following:
"Regen is available on SuperHero version only. The motor is capable of converting the motion into current feeding the battery, creating a braking force.
In order to achieve that, the chain needs to transmit power to the motor pinion. That is usually prevented by the freewheel on the rear wheel hub. In addition, when regenerating the chain will be tensioned on the lower part rather than the upper one as it usually happens.
That means that in order to achieve Regen you'll have to switch to an internally geared hub with the freewheel locked.
You'll take advantage of the freewheel inside the crankarm so that your pedals won't be dragged by the rear wheel. This will allow you to regenerate when pressing the brakes. Although the motor is capable of generate 10A of current ( 480W at 48V), the amount of energy you can regen depends on the battery you choose: all the batteries have a charging current limit. That's 2A for the 250Wh battery, 5A for the 550Wh and 670Wh batteries and 7A for the 840Wh battery.
In order to calculate how much energy you can regen, consider that 10 minutes of regen ( which can be achieved by going downhill) at 5A will give you 40Wh. That's a 7% recharge on a 550Wh battery.
In order to achieve REGEN, we locked the inner freewheel of the motor: for that reason, you'd feel a drag when pedaling with the motor turned off. Our suggestion to avoid that is to get a little bigger battery to make sure that we'll have a little of charge to get the motor spinning so that there won't be any drag."
You'll agree that putting that into a video would be a little complicated...
You have the potential to sell thousands of these kits. Keeping prices realistic. As you know you can get a cheap hub motor kit off ebay for less then £150. I would only be interested in the the motor kit as I like to make my own batterys.
do you speak of a mid engine?
We sell the 1000W kit without the battery for 399 Euros.
@@lightestebikekit6200 grazie , ich werde von euch diesen motor auch mal testen, aber wenn möglich ohne accu.
not as much power as the cyc x1 and the mtb lift,Paradox Kinetics systems plus all the other ones. lighter than the bafang though, your controller is a clone of the eggrider one, big long chain not so good off road chain will be flapping all over the place, will keep an eye on this might be really good...
Its not a clone, its the same thing
Totally confused. There are SO MANY ebikes on the market that come and go, how will I know that I will even be able to get parts or service if my $3500 investment stops functioning in 8 months. A big issue, a nightmare...
I'll make my own, off amazon, Ebay or ali Express
Same here, instead I spent £300 to convert my bike with a simple 1000w rear hub and 20ah 48v battery off aliexpess and ebay.
No gears to wear out , controller is separate so cheap and easy to upgrade if I want .
I do want a mid drive but the price, noise and maintaining costs put me off a bit.
the question is: How loud is it?
The answer is, not loud at all
I remenber Bimoz project. Hope not failed this.
We started our first crowdfunding campaign after Bimoz, since then we delivered thousands of motors and we designed two additional systems.
Kit price?
I have to wonder what this does to chain wear. You've got this tiny drive sprocket (looks like 9-tooth) on the power side (high tension) of the chain. The chain links are wrapping through much sharper angles than on a regular-size chainring and general consensus is that the more motion the links go through, the faster they will wear. Modern 11 and 12-speed chains aren't cheap and I would be leery of any system that may shorten chain life.
The motor pinion is a 10T. So the wear conditions are basically the same as with your rear 12T cog. Plus there's an advantage: the human torque and motor torque are not acting on the same chainring: that helps with the wear. After 4 years of testing we saw that the two effects counterbalance each other.
@@lightestebikekit6200 Except I rarely use my 12T. This uses the 10T 100% of the time.
wow this is the compact and best system, I MAKEcruise type chopper E BICYCLE in Goa India I want to try this
Its only assistant right? Bcos you have to paddle to drive you cant just let it drive alone due to construction. Also the motor is kinda meh toy... maybe they will add more options.
You clearly didnt pay attention to this video...
@@-joo3033 Im just asking and speaking laud there is nothing wrong with it. I mean I my self have few ebikes and even the big guys are sometimes not good enough. I dont know.
@@robertzeman4301 judking by the video they have a clutch (just like Bafang BBSXX drives) so that enables Throttle on 500W 750W and 1000W motors (IF you get the superhero perk)
@@robertzeman4301 1:09
@@-joo3033 I guess all is good then. :)
This would be perfect for my e bike want to switch from a rear hub motor to a mid drive . It’s a 250 watt 36v battery. What would a motor kit run with no battery
So is this "pedal-assist"?
the 250W version is pedal assist, the other versions ( 500W, 750W and 1000W) can be either pedal assist or throttle operated depending on how you set it.
Amazing! And amazing Garda's like scenery (I live in the area)
Are these on sale yet? I need one.
Can you tell me about motor temperature in 1000w wersion in moutain ?
Can you use your own battery?
yes you can
It is a nice solution, just too expensive at this hour.
Come fa ad avere la frenata rigenerativa con il motore in quella posizione?
Regen è disponibile solo sulla versione SuperHero. Il motore è in grado di convertire il movimento in corrente alimentando la batteria, creando una forza frenante. Per raggiungere questo obiettivo, la catena deve trasmettere potenza al pignone del motore. Ciò è generalmente impedito dalla ruota libera sul mozzo della ruota posteriore. Inoltre, durante la rigenerazione, la catena verrà tesa sulla parte inferiore anziché su quella superiore come di solito accade. Ciò significa che per raggiungere Regen dovrai passare a un mozzo con ingranaggi interni con la ruota libera bloccata. Sfrutterai la ruota libera all'interno della pedivella in modo che i pedali non vengano trascinati dalla ruota posteriore. Questo ti permetterà di rigenerarti quando premi i freni. Sebbene il motore sia in grado di generare 10 A di corrente (480 W a 48 V), la quantità di energia che è possibile recuperare dipende dalla batteria scelta: tutte le batterie hanno un limite di corrente di carica. Sono 2 A per la batteria da 250 Wh, 5 A per le batterie da 550 Wh e 670 Wh e 7 A per la batteria da 840 Wh. Per calcolare quanta energia puoi rigenerare, considera che 10 minuti di rigenerazione (che puoi ottenere andando in discesa) a 5A ti daranno 40 Wh. È una ricarica del 7% su una batteria da 550 Wh. Per raggiungere REGEN, abbiamo bloccato la ruota libera interna del motore: per questo motivo, sentiresti una resistenza quando pedali con il motore spento. Il nostro suggerimento per evitarlo è quello di ottenere una batteria un po 'più grande per assicurarci che avremo un po' di carica per far girare il motore in modo che non ci sia resistenza.
How much the price?
You can see it here: igg.me/at/LightestKit/x#/
over $1100 for 1000W with battery
Ya the girl was cut but rather seen how it worked with a big guy cause I'm big it's this a amazon product
If you check here ua-cam.com/video/LWySCjN8u4s/v-deo.html you'll see it working on a 80kg guy, and here:ua-cam.com/video/djj6vLJnkec/v-deo.html on a 1.6 Ton van
Is there anyone who can tell me where I can purchase the motor kit?
Sure, you can get it here: www.indiegogo.com/projects/lightest-ebike-kit-your-bike-with-superpowers/x/22928873
look on alibaba, ebay or Amazon. many complete kits at half the price of this one, (that's still not available but you can order it on pre-sale)
@@pauls5745 it's like replying to someone looking to preorder the next Tesla that on Alibaba he will find many chinese electric car for less... That is true, but doesn't add much to the conversation.
Hub motor is better and that's best way if not only way to get regen braking. Graphene or carbon nanotube motor would be more efficient/lighter.
If it's over 100 buck then it's not so affordable, such an old technology should be super cheap since it's so easy to manufacture.
Its Very affordable compared to other Middrives...
@@-joo3033 Any proper mid drive system on the market will easily cost you $500 or more. The Shimano E8000 motor alone is about $1000.
@@bennytn5518 i know...some guys just dont see a difference between a Middrive and a150$ kit from ebay
Your lying it’s not 3.5 pounds maybe for the motor only but come on stop bull shiting us
Glad you find unbelievable the weight. Yes, that's the weight of the drive unit, as you can see here: ua-cam.com/video/1z0gMimBg1Q/v-deo.html
@@lightestebikekit6200 in the title you said the weight of the kit but no you lied that’s only the weight of the motor great job talking bs to your costumers the battery and other parts are part of the kit you know that adds weight to have fun scamming
@@pascalkargut3237 I think it's pretty visible on our main video: ua-cam.com/video/LWySCjN8u4s/v-deo.html and in our website.
and here: ua-cam.com/video/LWySCjN8u4s/v-deo.html . Where exactly you got that impression?
@@lightestebikekit6200 what’s visible I can TV see the weight
not affordable at all comparing to other similar kits
Which are the other similar kits?