How to build your own E-MTB with CYC X1 Stealth (Torque sensing 1500W mid drive system)
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- Опубліковано 23 лют 2021
- Best mid drive conversion motor system for MTB
The 1500W 150N.m. X1 Stealth is complete with:
- torque sensing capabilities
- fully customizable mobile app
- various bottom bracket fitments
- 2 rider modes, with up to 9 assist gears
Mid drive motor kit: CYC X1 Stealth www.cycmotor.com/x1-stealth
Battery: X-52 www.cycmotor.com/x-series-bat...
Frame: JAVA Laguna carbon frame
Test ride videos coming soon!
Facebook/ IG: CYC MOTOR LTD.
This kit what I’ve been looking for take my money
curved mounting bracket with rubber, glad someone still listening
Ooohkaayyy 😏😏😏 I like what cyc is doing. Dang. 💯
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@Grayson Quinn Yea, I've been watching on Flixzone} for since november myself =)
My favorite experience while riding any electric vehicle, is torque sensing pedal assist. I equate it to having a stick shift on a high powered hot rodded car. Cheers.
Time to save up for one of these, or maybe just the X1 gen2, heck why not both, if only coin wasn't an issue, ahh a man can dream.
Sweet looking kit love the simplicity. Wonder if the motor would work with my Phaserunner..hummm?
I am just assembling this X1 onto my bike. I was unable to get the chainrings on bottom bracket because the chain was too short. I am a helicopter engineer and a former bike mechanic so, no, I am not just needing to fiddle with it more. I finally put the chain between the two sprockets and managed to get enough movement to get it on the bottom bracket. At this point there is no slop in the chain to allow me to get it on the big sprocket without some force, so I put one crank arm on and turned it as I used a hex wrench to push it sideways until it caught one tooth. They I muscled it around until it fell in place. I released the tensioning wheel on to the chain and it barely deflected. If there was one more link in the chain it would have looked like the one in the video (at 2:45). I am not impressed. I have the 63 tooth drive sprocket.
Did you get the too-short chain resolved? I'd guess they mistakenly packed the 53t version's chain. It looks like the tensioner is designed to work with a fair amount of slack. What does the waterproofing look like for the controller? The user guide is 100X better than what Bafang offers.
I had a really tough time too. I had to tap the freewheel/chainring unit on to the bottom bracket with a rubber mallet, but it still wouldn't go in all the way. Bike works and shifting is ok, but the chain in falling off when it gets bumpy.
Ordered this motor 6 months ago Have had it a month, doesn't work little help from the company.. Is asking for refund!!!
That is the sickest Shit I've seen yet. Simple and very effective. BadAss!
you guys should check the original mtb-lift !less ugly than that product!
Maybe some Octalink-style mount?
It is wonderful
will I be able to install it inside the triangle on my 2021 Giant Phatom XL and still have space for a battery?
Can someone tell me where to buy the tools you use for assembly?
Lovely motor..battery is off Doctor Who set.
Question for you: can I use a different chainring on the crank?
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Will the magura throttle work for this? Is there a throttle tube that let's you use dirtbike grips?
Preordered to do a exchange with my bbs02b. Hope for a better feel in paddeling assist, because i dont like the ON/OFF switch and kicking in every time with the same amount of power from the bafang motors. Hope your torque Sensor combination can do something like a modern Bosch motor :) sensitive and power based on how hard kick in the paddles, from the first Moment.
(I dont use any thumbthrottle, or handthrottle)
If you don't like the CYC try a Tongsheng - a bit like the Bafang but torque sensing.
@@kevinshort3943 good advice. Found the tsdz2 day after my preorder. Im rdy for a higher stage i think and this is the cyc motor (i hope) 😄. I prefered th tsdz2 motor to a friend, who will do his first ebike conversation this week (with my help) -> i think its a good beginner motor (maybe more) especially with the custom firmware + sw102 display.
@@Raphi86
The Tongsheng is a fine motor - as such things go. It's a proper motor, and as powerful as many shop bought ones.
I have a love/hate relationship with the custom firmware.
Love the extended cadence and how smooth it is.
Hate all the bugs and bits that don't work properly.
@@kevinshort3943 can you tell me some of the important bugs / things that not work proberbly? Ive read a lot in forums. Nobody has talked about the negative sides of the custom fw. I just heard good things about it :D would be good to know before
@@Raphi86
Over run
Ghost peddling
Lack of low speed torque
Start up boost setting is reversed
Someone allegedly had their motor randomly start at full power, and try to throw them under a bus
Those are the ones I can remember.
But it is really smooth, and has a lovely high cadence just like a real cycling experience.
Great video! Looks like an awesome motor. Better than the BBSHD? In the order form on the linked site below there are a couple options and I am not sure what to choose. 1: Chainring options: 11/53T or 11/63T (default)? Crank arm length: 165mm / 170mm (default)? 2: Throttle options: Half Twist / Thumb(default) / Full Twist? What battery voltage will you use?
i said 11/53 170mm Half Twist 52v
@@ridingmtl why did you pick those specs? I assume the 53t drive with the smaller chainring has lower gearing for more climbing power and slower top speed. Is that correct? 170mm provides more pedaling leverage but with a longer pedal stroke. Half twist seems a good pick where you're primarily riding with assist and want the trottle optional...without compromising your grip using a thumb throttle.
@@bjnslc i emailed cyc support to ask according to the specs of my bottom bracket (73mm) and drive train (36/22) witch should i choose, and he kindly replied. Also, mostly 36/22 has a 152.2 diameter, so you can go for the 11/53T, which has a 140mm diameter. You can also select a larger one if there are enough space within the chainstay.
Would I have to buy a battery from you, or could I use any battery with an XT90 connector?
is there any video out there that shows us the noise difference between the x1 pro and the x1 stealth. considering buying the x1 stealth because the x1 pro is a bit loud imo. so i would really like to hear what the stealth sounds like.
I am very interested in that too.
Pretty noisy. ua-cam.com/video/r5VjcBVUDAk/v-deo.html
just get a hub motor
What battery should I use?
What torque wrench is needed? How do how much torque you are applying with that type of torque wrench
Is it possible to convert this to a belt drive chainring?
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Can this be ridden on uk roads in a mode that sets it to 250 watts, I saw a video that mentioned a such mode, thanks.
I have a question does the battery have to be mounted on the frame along with the power controller or can it be mounted on a rear bike rack and run the wires accordingly that way to be able to open up the center for say a 80-100cc engine to make it a true hybrid pedal assist bike for hunting it is an idea of making one but concerned about the weight also building a trailor for using this. Can you help with any ideas for doing this?
You can definitely mount a battery on a back rack, it’d free up the middle of your main triangle.
If anything a back rack battery is an advantage…
More space back there for a bigger battery
What is the most likely delivery date? Noticed on the website that with the 500C display kit says end of April does that mean that with the 750c will be available sooner or later? Also can you provide any test results you have?
750C display option will be available for delivery sooner for around 2-3 weeks, so early April.
I have some questions I've yet to see answered. How vulnerable is the controller to water and mud? It looks exposed with open ventilation slots. How does the drive mechanism hold up to mud, water, and sand? Two magnets to mount the battery? Really? Really?
How to buy as set
Dove si compra?? è sbloccabile? è possibile avere l'acceleratore NON a manopola ma con la leva?
Prezzi del kit?
Grazie
My experience so far with the Stealth has not been good. I'm on my second controller and haven't managed a successful ride in the woods. It keeps stopping and I end up pushing it home. It's not overheating and it made a honking noise like there were phase collisions going on in the motor. Support is questionable as CYC refers me to the dealer in Utah who is not really knowledgeable. I'm not sure where they get 150nm of torque from. My old Cyclone motor has more raw torque and never left me to walk home. Not ready for prime time.
Thanks; I was ready to purchase the system, but will defer for now. My BBS02 on a hardtail ridden off road has been reliable for seven years with NO maintenance.
@@bobbybecker80 I'm now on my 3rd controller and despite it being an older version that is not waterproofed I'm getting some encouraging results. On the trails I run in granny gear and it will do 28 km/h because this motor revs to about 6000 rpm whereas my Cyclone only did 800 but had massive torque from zero so I ran in 3rd gear and could pedal along with it as needed and for more excercise. The Stealth is too fast to pedal with unless using PAS and then you are just going slow anyway on the trails. I did 66 km/h on the road on throttle and of course you can't pedal that fast. That's over 40mph. The Stealth climbs much better than the Cyclone but under heavy load it cut out mid climb and caused me to crash heavily, falling back down the trail. CYC says a new controller and app are coming soon and I'm trying to get one, #4 controller, but for now I feel like I'm Beta testing a product for them. The display needs some rework too. It's very cumbersome to use. I bought the kit to get my ground clearance back to normal for this bike which is an 04 Santa Cruz downhiller and it's great to be able to clear logs and rocks without bashing the motor.
5 months to get the motor which doesn't work!! Going on 6 months now no help from the company Buy something better and cheaper...!!😖
Hi there. Do you sell these bikes fully built?😊
is this possible to get it here in bangladesh by courier service
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Stealth ?
that one has a square frame for the motor mount, what happens if you have a rounded frame instead?
What shall happen ? The CYC motor is constructed in such a way that the resulting torque from the motor is transmitted to the mount itself. The mount / motor holder which is pressed against the downtube and hold there in place by some metal strap doesn´t have to transmit much forces to the frame other than the bumps from the up and downs from riding the bike itself. All other forces are simply transmitted to the BB axle via motor mount.
Anyone have the measurement for this at 0:13 from the BB center(spindle) to where the motor begins,I gotta see if I can swing the motor up high enuff, my frame has a longer BB area before the downtube goes up???
The only draw back to this is the battery are there any other slimmer profile batteries out there that would work with your motor ??
I'm guessing they want it wide and short to fit suspension frame triangles. But mounting it with magnets? Color me skeptical.
Was wondering if anybody could help me with this motor it took 6 months to get it I'm getting little communication from the company Pedal Sis doesn't work I got to throttle the work for about 5 seconds now the Motor makes a spinning sound and doesn't do anything else
I have been asking questions on their website and haven't had any response. I hope you all are ok.
Will it fit if I rotate the unit for install (putting the majority of the unit inside the aframe portion)?
Yup, no problem. If your frame allows for the space, you can install it like that.
Hi can this be mounted on a drop bar grave bike like Giant Revolt 1?
Yes but with all that power a MB is a better bike to mount it on.
Disculpe el precio
Like it I will have a custom backpack battery built, don't like the look or the way that frame battery is mounted ..
Der Akku 😂😅🤣👉👌
Can we use our own crankset? Like the chainrings only
Our inner chainring is a standard 104 BCD so you're welcome to swap it out for your own. Just note that steel is highly recommended in order to handle the torque. You can even swap it our for a belt drive set-up.
I want to use this system but I don’t have internally routed cables soooo… does anyone know if it comes with some sort of protection for the cables running along the down tube?
All wiring is waterproof so we do not provide additional protection. However, some people refer adding an additional layer of shrink wrap just to keep everything neat (not so much for additional protection).
@@cycmotorI think you misunderstood OP's question. I think he wants to protect his bike cables running on underside of downtube from being crushed by motor clamped tightly to it. Your answer doesn't address that.
I Vont It! GIB to me! 🤣
Does it have energy recovery when braking?
No, unfortunately not. It's possible to do with our X1 Pro Gen 2 kit but requires a bit of modification.
Can't hear anything only the music
Is there an option ih which i can have my own grips on the bike, and not ride it like a motorcycle? Just the pedal assist options on the display, 3 or 4 of options?
Also, did you try it with the Giant Reign XL size from 2019? Thanks!
And one more question abot the battery, is there an bigger option?
Bom dia !! Qual o representante no BRASIL !! SEU CONTATO
I like it...but stealth?! 🤨
Considering the front wheel quick release isn't even done correctly, someone's going to die on this bike.
Worriy about being jabbed not e-bike,
How does this work? Only power with the grips, like a motorcycle, or ist there a pedal assist like with "normal" ebikes
Both modes are possible. Throttle is priority by default.
Pedal assist feeling is very good with our built-in torque and cadence sensor, and you can expect a riding experience similar to high-end E-MTB.
When you use a throttle, it will override the pedal assist signal and you can control it like a motorbike.
Link???price??
X1 stealth it’s in the name duh
This short chain will get slack very quickly and it is not so cool to adjust it from what I have read. Exposed to elements plus noiseeeee.
Also this motor below the frame is a nono really in any real MTB situation.
The battery is really bad only 8ah lol
Hi there, we have different battery options ranging from 8ah to 15ah. Otherwise, our system is open meaning that you can pair any battery with our kits. Just be sure to get an XT 90 connector.
Micky mouse, just buy a tongsheng
You could have talked instead of this crappy music
Great video annoying music!
Square drive ......is this from the 80s.....who uses that any more
That's why we got the Gen 3 kits now with ISIS
6 months and haven't rode this motor once😮 little to no help from the company!! putting in for a refund 👍Buy something more affordable💰 that actually works!!!!🤷♂️
bad music
What music genre would you like to hear in our next video?
Its like a really rubbish alternative to a Bafang mid drive
Bafang has not even torque sensing 💩😂
This is not e-mtb. E-mtbs don't have throttle. This IS a MOTORCYCLE.
You don't have to use the throttle,
@@colincampbell4261 Yeah. Would you say the same when a police catches you with some drugs? "Sir. I have some heroin here but I don't have to use it!" This is a motorcycle. When it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it most probably is a duck.
@@sztigirigi don't be so tight assed. If it has peddles it is a bike, pure and simple. Just keep your head when riding near where cops might be then balls out when off road.
no valve no piston , no gas ,then its not a motorcycle....
this is a ebike brahhh....
I mean I’m going to use it as an e motorcycle but it can be used as an ebike but when you’re going with all the shit full out and when your passing dirt bikes there is no more pretending