Hold on game wise Cynthia could wipe the floor with ash or Leon Togekiss for their dragon types garchomp for pika milotic for charizrd she has some pretty good counters but the anime has to hold back every single trainer ash faces. Anime wise Leon ash used gimmicks Leon didn’t have z move and a mega
"If Red was canon to the Pokemon anime" Ash is literally the anime counterpart to Red. Also before anyone claims I'm wrong, well not only do these two look alike when comparing Ash to Red's original design, but -both are from Pallet Town in Kanto, rival of Professor Oak's grandson, won't evolve their Pikachu, and Red's original name was Satoshi and was in other canons. Heck, Pokemon Yellow is Red's journey with a tad mix of Ash's journey.
And if we can assume this version of him continues onto the other regions as well and ends up in Alohla, then imagine his potential. Same with in game red
@@WdsonH Galar ash(strongest and best team we’ve seen) got bodied by mewtwo so how is he gonna beat a mewtwo, three legendary birds and a mega charizard x…. Plus another mon
@@FearlessGaming153 This is mid journeys + stronger mewtwo, and its simple, alain mega zard have fought and beaten 50% zygarde, pikachu>leon zard>alain zard>zygarde>kanto mons
The main problem with origins Red is that the mewtwo he faced was weaker than its anime counterpart. Mewtwo in the anime is one of the strongest pokemon in the verse having many better feats aswell. While Origins mewtwo is probably stronger than most of Ash's pokemon, i dont think it sways the battle too much in reds favour. It would be a tough battle but i think the result depends on whether Ash has access to every pokemon he has. If not, Red with his three legendary birds and mewtwo wins. otherwise I think Ash takes it
Ok champion tier list 1.Volo 2.Red > or = Cynthia 3. Ash(journeys) > Leon(anime) 4. Nemona = Blue 5. Steven stone = Leon(games) 6. Lance = Diantha = Iris = Geeta 7. Alola Ash > kukui=alder > trace > hau
@@thesocialgamer2471 Pokémon rules state that you’re only allowed to use 1 of them. If you could use more Leon would have trouble acquiring the rest. The thing is he didn’t have to as only one was allowed.
Not really, Leon just gave him the advantage it doesn't matter if he earned those gimmicks. It still gives him the advantage and not a fair battle if Leon can only use one. Even if he's the underdog. It doesn't change the fact that the biggest factor of Ash's win is because of those, without those he's stopping to Cinderace@@thesocialgamer2471
The disrespect forgetting hop helped in the darkest day, too. Also, I know no one cares, but I'm convinced if diantha tried, she'd be one of the strongest trainers cause Pokémon battling is her side gig, and yet she's a champion. Imagine if she stopped focusing on acting.
I still think that Leon is stronger. Leon was so strong that he managed to weaken Eternatus enough to attempt the capture and he managed to tame Eternatus in the anime. Not to mention that Ash required 3 battle gimmicks in order to defeat Leon. So I think Leon is definitely stronger.
@@kevinimation5508 Wrong. All the pokemon in Leon’s team are stated to be champion ace tier level. He swept champions and up until the journeys team he never had lost more than two pokemon during battle.
@@giboit. Nope, he only had 2 battle with six pokemon in m8. And none of them ever defeated any champion aces without using charizard. Their feats is small compare to all ashs ace. Ash with 6 aces will be overkill.
@@PURPLE_G0J0 or pay attention to the games. Mustard was an undefeated CHAMPION for 18yrs, not a Fighting type gym leader for 18yrs (he could have but the lore talks about Mustard being unbeatable as champion for 18yrs) and retired mainly because a promoter tried to fix a fight for him to win and he declined, stepping down.
Me who lives in the past and the only game that I played was Gold(emulator in 2012) forced by my cousin, I can't think there's anyone stronger than Red, except that Gold beat him so idk wtf is going on anymore 💀💀
W vid as always, tho imo with full lore + side games and side iterations I’d say red is undoubtedly the strongest with ash blue or even cynthia being a close second
@@kevinimation5508 Or people who faced Cynthia as a child in Gen 4. I swear they just will not allow anyone to say someone is stronger than her. Edit: day-->say
Ash has had such a canon bond with Lucario including before he caught his own Lucario making him one of if not his strongest pokemon. In general, his masters 8 team would be the strongest however if he were to swap out some weaker pokemon and swap them with his battle-bond goat (Ash-Greninja) and his super-saiyan goat (Infernape) then his team would probably be the in its strongest form possible. If some of the legendaries or sub-legendaries like ultrabeasts he traveled with and trained were included then you can even include pokemon like Solgaleo and Naganedle although Solgaleo was not officially caught. Even some previously used pseudo-legendaries that were not included such as his Gible, travel-companion Larvitar, and Goodra could have been brought back as references to previous seasons and additions to his strongest team but they gave him arguably one of the weakest pseudo-legendaries being Dragonite as part of his masters-8 team. Of course any pokemon could've been mega-evolved but due to his history with Lucarios and him now owning one it makes sense. Another battle-bond with Lucario could also make sense but since Greninja was introduced as the first and only battle-bond pokemon while also having a history to be a battle-bond pokemon, it makes this aspect almost entirely unique to itself even though it was stated to be possible for every pokemon. It's a shame they didn't add on to battle-bond but it might also be too hard to add as well as a unique aspect only meant for Ash and his Greninja. Edit: His ultra-powerful Primeape could also have been a prime addition to his team seeing as how it's one of if not his strongest Kanto pokemon (lore wise) as well as one of the strongest pokemon in the pokemon mma (in Kanto).
Imagine having such a powerhouse Pikachu that it can literally hold his own against a articuno, zekron, Raikou, Mewtwo and like the op est charizard ever and defeating it
So basically ash lost but becuz he had the power of plot armor friendship not only did his lucario should have lost before garchop stil had enough in the tank to fight it and get up through determination and bonding tho Cynthia has a stronger and longer bond more seasoned and determined garchop lol
You may not consider pokemon manga special Red one of the stronger Red's, but even if his team may not be the strongest, gotta admit his battle IQ is massive, and probably one the best.
The protagonist of Pokemon Platinum is stronger, assuming the exclusive events (club Nintendo related) are canon, then that means that not only the protagonist captured the creation trio but also captured Arceus A.K.A the literal God of the Pokemon universe.
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Id day the origin anime version of red is from the non-cannon mega evolution timeline
Hold on game wise Cynthia could wipe the floor with ash or Leon Togekiss for their dragon types garchomp for pika milotic for charizrd she has some pretty good counters but the anime has to hold back every single trainer ash faces. Anime wise Leon ash used gimmicks Leon didn’t have z move and a mega
Ashes Pikachu really hit Leon with the "Pikachu toughed it out so that you wouldn't be worried" and "Pikachu hit a critical hoping to be praised"
Wait shit that’s exactly what happened
Blaziken: WHY WONT YOU DIE
@ banger reference
The strongest will forever be a 4 way fight between leon's statements, cythia's gameplay, ash's feats and red's legacy
"If Red was canon to the Pokemon anime"
Ash is literally the anime counterpart to Red. Also before anyone claims I'm wrong, well not only do these two look alike when comparing Ash to Red's original design, but -both are from Pallet Town in Kanto, rival of Professor Oak's grandson, won't evolve their Pikachu, and Red's original name was Satoshi and was in other canons. Heck, Pokemon Yellow is Red's journey with a tad mix of Ash's journey.
always thought the same thing aswell
I can agree with counter part but some people think they're the same person which I just cannot agree with 😭
Ash is the worst version of red red actually beat the elite four
@@dennisbeaman958 ash clears
@@dennisbeaman958Ash is the world champion
You are the strongest Pokemon trainer
Really?
You as in us
@@CrystantemumYes, my pokemon teams from the 3DS games can obliterate Red, Leon etc
I know , thanks
Yeah, I obliterated Leon, managed to come out on top against Cynthina, beat Red,...
Origins red Also has all three legendary birds. Meaning he has 4 legendaries and a mega charizard plus a sixth slot
And if we can assume this version of him continues onto the other regions as well and ends up in Alohla, then imagine his potential. Same with in game red
Still weaker than alola ash
@@WdsonH Galar ash(strongest and best team we’ve seen) got bodied by mewtwo so how is he gonna beat a mewtwo, three legendary birds and a mega charizard x…. Plus another mon
@@FearlessGaming153 This is mid journeys + stronger mewtwo, and its simple, alain mega zard have fought and beaten 50% zygarde, pikachu>leon zard>alain zard>zygarde>kanto mons
The main problem with origins Red is that the mewtwo he faced was weaker than its anime counterpart. Mewtwo in the anime is one of the strongest pokemon in the verse having many better feats aswell. While Origins mewtwo is probably stronger than most of Ash's pokemon, i dont think it sways the battle too much in reds favour. It would be a tough battle but i think the result depends on whether Ash has access to every pokemon he has. If not, Red with his three legendary birds and mewtwo wins. otherwise I think Ash takes it
tobias laughing in the corner with his full team of legendarys
Fax
Tobias didnt Become the champion
Meaning he either Lost to the E4 or Cynthia Beat him
Cynthia garchomp would like to say “earthquake”
The strogenst pokemon trainer of today
Vs
The strongest pokemon trainer in history
If ur talking about the thumbnail i think its an scene from the mahito fight
"You're the challenger here"
Little Timmy with 6 ledgedarys is the strongest
I wouldn't say that. I myself and many others have defeated Little Timmy's with non legendaries.
Lil bro didn't had ghost or multihit moves, so bro got aron sweep
funny that leon is ez as hell in the game but tough as hell in lore
I'm not trynna be that guy to point out JJK references, but I loved how you made the thumbnail (if you know, you know).
It looks like the three of them have brought out 120% of their potencial
Are we not gonna talk abt tobias pulling up with 2 legendaries and probably more 😂
I really wish we could’ve seen Cynthia vs Leon bc I think she might come out on top from that fight
Red also caught the 3 legendary birds to
He doesnt used legendarys though
His goal is to catch every pokemon, not using legendary's to clap tournaments
@@wisnujatiPramono He did use articuno against mewtoo
That's still a few feat about red. Red also caught other legendary Pokemon like zygard (fought him with 100% form only) etc.
Ok champion tier list
1.Volo
2.Red > or = Cynthia
3. Ash(journeys) > Leon(anime)
4. Nemona = Blue
5. Steven stone = Leon(games)
6. Lance = Diantha = Iris = Geeta
7. Alola Ash > kukui=alder > trace > hau
Red is the G.O.A.T.
Yes
Gotta keep in mind that ash was allowed mega, dynamax and Z move in the Leon fight
Well…yeah but he has earned all those gimmicks,so I think it’s fair to use them
@@thesocialgamer2471 Pokémon rules state that you’re only allowed to use 1 of them. If you could use more Leon would have trouble acquiring the rest. The thing is he didn’t have to as only one was allowed.
Not really, Leon just gave him the advantage it doesn't matter if he earned those gimmicks. It still gives him the advantage and not a fair battle if Leon can only use one. Even if he's the underdog. It doesn't change the fact that the biggest factor of Ash's win is because of those, without those he's stopping to Cinderace@@thesocialgamer2471
@@crilleroglau1276don’t Alain also use 2 in his battle vs Leon. I don’t think the anime has a rule stating only one gimmick is allowed
@@gaiusx287 Alain only used mega evolution. He had chestnaught malamar and mega charizard against Leons dynamax rillaboom and charizard
When you realize we have never seen prime red
The disrespect forgetting hop helped in the darkest day, too.
Also, I know no one cares, but I'm convinced if diantha tried, she'd be one of the strongest trainers cause Pokémon battling is her side gig, and yet she's a champion. Imagine if she stopped focusing on acting.
Red is is the strongest for sure.
Red is one, guy from new show who had black Rayquaza is 2nd, Tobias is 3rd, Ash is 4th. Imo
I still think that Leon is stronger. Leon was so strong that he managed to weaken Eternatus enough to attempt the capture and he managed to tame Eternatus in the anime.
Not to mention that Ash required 3 battle gimmicks in order to defeat Leon.
So I think Leon is definitely stronger.
Well ashs fought leon with his new team. He still has aces from each region who have better feats and not to mention he also has legendary.
@@kevinimation5508
His Journeys team isn't a pushover at all. So I doubt there would be any difference.
@@giboit. Well, according to feats there's a big differnce. All his aces ever defeated legendary. Leon has 1 ace, ash has six.
@@kevinimation5508
Wrong. All the pokemon in Leon’s team are stated to be champion ace tier level. He swept champions and up until the journeys team he never had lost more than two pokemon during battle.
@@giboit. Nope, he only had 2 battle with six pokemon in m8. And none of them ever defeated any champion aces without using charizard. Their feats is small compare to all ashs ace. Ash with 6 aces will be overkill.
Steven literally fought toe to toe with Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre, what do you mean he has no feats?
Leon has lost before, to Sonia. Bro did not watch the anime
@@PURPLE_G0J0 or pay attention to the games. Mustard was an undefeated CHAMPION for 18yrs, not a Fighting type gym leader for 18yrs (he could have but the lore talks about Mustard being unbeatable as champion for 18yrs) and retired mainly because a promoter tried to fix a fight for him to win and he declined, stepping down.
Don’t forget Steven, Steven was instrumental in Pokémon XYZ also
“All three of the contwstants have bought out 120 percent of their potential!” Ahh thumbnail
Manga red is interesting since his version of kanto is most in line with the red and blue version
Through out world of Pokemon and earth i alone the HONOURED ONE
-gary
Bro what the hell do you mean by "scoring an invitation to the Masters 8", it's a freaking worldwide tournament, they earned their places there.
My brother it really it is not that deep. He's just trying to be casual by saying "Scoring an invitation"
@@Fluminox- word. lil bro needs to hit the books again cuz comprehension clearly ain't their strong suit.
@@blackgoosemanI just think someone pissed in their cheerios
Its the one with the thickest plot aemour
Me who lives in the past and the only game that I played was Gold(emulator in 2012) forced by my cousin, I can't think there's anyone stronger than Red, except that Gold beat him so idk wtf is going on anymore 💀💀
I'm suprised Volo wasn't in consideration as part of a top 5
To Be fair, Volo isn't a Pokémon Trainer. He is a Pokémon wielder
@@The-Og-DexHolder I suppose.
But he still is extremely strong though
@@The-Og-DexHolder but still volo is second strongest trainer after rei/akari
@yashdave7559 second strongest human character would be more Appropriate I suppose
@@The-Og-DexHolder you could say that
Pokemon trainers
Called Pokemon welders at ancient times
Cause both things are similar
W vid as always, tho imo with full lore + side games and side iterations I’d say red is undoubtedly the strongest with ash blue or even cynthia being a close second
Imagine ash with his greninja charizard inferno ape pikachu and gengar and there is so many like locario i mean ho-oh counts and there’s so many more
Ash VS Leon was what the Alola league was supposed to look like considering it was his first win in the regional league...
There is something familiar with the thumbnail...
Pokémon kaisen lmao
They are using 120% of there power
It's definitely ash. He really chose his newest team to fight the champ. Sure he used gimmicks but still won
Could be Leon cause BRO used dynamax twice and mega and still barely won
@@BorutoxEditzyeah but they also ashs new team,soo
@@kevinimation5508 NOT REALLY IN BASIC SCALING NONE OF THEOLD POKEMON HAS ABOVE CHAMPIONLEVL POKEMON
Probably Tobias honestly
@@BorutoxEditz well, I am surprised Ash didn’t bring his Charizard or Greninja to this fight. They would’ve done really well. Maybe Sceptile too
Nice Thumbnail !!! Inspired by JJK 🎉🎉🎉 . Nice vid too I subbed you
Bro, literally went super Saiyan baron mode
tobias just watching kids playing in the yard with his (probably) 6 legendary team 💀💀💀💀
Why is the thumbnail a jjk reference 💀
yeaaa new episode lets gooo fam! I think Tobias prob the best btw.
I said this to
Forget that cheater
@@eljordinio7647 I call him T-gameshark
@@manninglinde3223 more like cheater shark 🦈
Relying on only legendaries is a crutch 🩼
Reds final game appearance was in the battle tree of alola
Everyone gangster until MysticUmbreon gave red the strongest possible team
I am happy to see Leon on number 2 I hear so many people say that Cynthia can defeat Leon
Only cynthias simp would say that
@@kevinimation5508yeah
@@kevinimation5508 Or people who faced Cynthia as a child in Gen 4.
I swear they just will not allow anyone to say someone is stronger than her.
Edit: day-->say
Bro did not just forget Tobias..
The guy with Darkrai and Latios
He made a mistake it’s Red And Ash That Have a Connection
1.Team
2.similar Look
3.They Are Strong
8:38 "Galarian Farfetch'd"
Bro Ash's Farfetch'd evolved into Sirfetch'd
Ash has had such a canon bond with Lucario including before he caught his own Lucario making him one of if not his strongest pokemon. In general, his masters 8 team would be the strongest however if he were to swap out some weaker pokemon and swap them with his battle-bond goat (Ash-Greninja) and his super-saiyan goat (Infernape) then his team would probably be the in its strongest form possible. If some of the legendaries or sub-legendaries like ultrabeasts he traveled with and trained were included then you can even include pokemon like Solgaleo and Naganedle although Solgaleo was not officially caught. Even some previously used pseudo-legendaries that were not included such as his Gible, travel-companion Larvitar, and Goodra could have been brought back as references to previous seasons and additions to his strongest team but they gave him arguably one of the weakest pseudo-legendaries being Dragonite as part of his masters-8 team. Of course any pokemon could've been mega-evolved but due to his history with Lucarios and him now owning one it makes sense. Another battle-bond with Lucario could also make sense but since Greninja was introduced as the first and only battle-bond pokemon while also having a history to be a battle-bond pokemon, it makes this aspect almost entirely unique to itself even though it was stated to be possible for every pokemon. It's a shame they didn't add on to battle-bond but it might also be too hard to add as well as a unique aspect only meant for Ash and his Greninja.
Edit: His ultra-powerful Primeape could also have been a prime addition to his team seeing as how it's one of if not his strongest Kanto pokemon (lore wise) as well as one of the strongest pokemon in the pokemon mma (in Kanto).
Imagine having such a powerhouse Pikachu that it can literally hold his own against a articuno, zekron, Raikou, Mewtwo and like the op est charizard ever and defeating it
The thumbnail is amazing
The player just beating every champion in every game
That pic for the video is accurate well atleast for the one who did a battle against cynthia...
Yea I choose RED because ash gets help from the show, like he’s the main character so you know they’re in his favor, RED is a savage ❤❤
Makes me wonder who would have won between Cinthya and Leo
I am the strongest Pokémon trainer. My venusaur and I from back in the day use to run it up on everyone lol
Ash ended up as the strongest in the anime.
Leon was the strongest by lore.
Cynthia is the strongest in the games.
Cynthia wasn't there when ash, Iris,cilan,and,N when they defeated team plasma
So basically ash lost but becuz he had the power of plot armor friendship not only did his lucario should have lost before garchop stil had enough in the tank to fight it and get up through determination and bonding tho Cynthia has a stronger and longer bond more seasoned and determined garchop lol
She's a loser. Dont make excuse
Cry more 😂
You want the strongest trainers? Easily the entire masters eight including Ash, plus Kukui and Alder
PTSD
POST
TRAUMATIC
SHIRONA
DISORDER
So here are my Thoughts
1st=Ash
2nd=Cynthia
3rd=Leon
4th=Red
And technically Ash is also a counterpart of Red. Ash is technically the Red if his universe.
In the 4min 11seconds Pikachu has turned off his level cap so every regions exp start gathering inside him thus he became the strongest
Red caught a raqaza and beat deoxis
so the strongest pokemon trainer was the player all along
If ash uses his actual strongest team all his aces it’s not close
That is why I love Cynthia 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰.
It fun in game until red use mewtwo
Paul hands down the best and strongest trainer in all of POKEMON
you cant put Leon over us we are the strongest trainers in the games
Best thumbnail yet lol
Cynthia Is the strongest if she mega her garchonp shenwoild of beat ash and Leon
You may not consider pokemon manga special Red one of the stronger Red's, but even if his team may not be the strongest, gotta admit his battle IQ is massive, and probably one the best.
I like Red from origins more than ash.
(gen) why?
Red from origins is plain and mid
I don’t agree but if u think of it red would be way better origins
In my humble opinion it’s either Wolfe Glick or Ray Rizzo
This could be the strongest team but it could have been stronger if it included Ash's strongest pokemon, like Greninja and others.
If Ash actually used a team using his best pokemom he'd win every league
great outro
If ash still have his legendary pokemon and greninja ash vs Leon it would be GAME OVER
The protagonist of Pokemon Platinum is stronger, assuming the exclusive events (club Nintendo related) are canon, then that means that not only the protagonist captured the creation trio but also captured Arceus A.K.A the literal God of the Pokemon universe.
I'm a simple man, when I see a JJK inspired thumbnail, I click.
The thumbnail of Leon 💀💀💀🗿🗿🗿
SINCE WHEN WAS CHARIZARDS SIGNATURE MOVE FIRE BLAST
It was Leon's signature move in the anime
I think it’s just specifically Leon’s Charizard in this situation
Ash, Leon, Cynthia, Tobias and Red honestly. The other champions, N and Volo are up there too
nah Cynthia gives me ptsd from platinum
w thumbnail
Red
Me:
1.ash
2.Cynthia
3.leon
Here is the top 5 strongest trainers in thetire pokemon franchise.
1. Rei/Akari
2. Lucas/Dawn
3. Ethan/Kris/Lyra
4. Brendan/May
5. Red/Leaf
Video>
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You were cooking until you reached Brendan/May, and your burned the whole kitchen when you said Red
@@The-Og-DexHolder and bro forgot volo
@yashdave7559 To be fair, Volo isn't a trainer. He is a Pokémon wielder, so I don't think he is even qualified to be in the list in the first place
Why's everyone forgetting ash even won the orange league 😭
I thinks it’s Tobias cause he has the most crazy plot armor ever
It’s Tobias by far
Cynthia beat Tobias lol
Nuh uh
@@Yuiichi_WillEditzno confirmation
@@kevinimation5508if he defeated her he would've been the sinnoh champion so no he didn't beat her
Ash is strongest in the ANIME in games is cynthia and you cant prove me wrong
alan killed legendarys like primal kyogre and groudon with a charzard dont forget about him
That animation on the start was what?
I'm the strongest Pokémon
W video like always
Genuinely appreciate it❤️❤️
@@ThunderZoltWell it’s true, great editing, story telling, and just generally fun to watch! Plus you were my Child Hood!
I just fiund your channel and its good and i set the bar high
ash if he used every legendary pokemon who he could have cought and also used his best individual pokemon would beat leon right?
Maybe the friends we made along the way we're the best trainer's
If red and gold are canon ash journey pokemon has not end yet and we will have more episodes with him