Just a friendly pointer - everyone who’s using negative curve shaper, start at -15. Many CPUs aren’t stable at -20 or lower, especially if you’re not using really high end motherboards with industry leading power delivery like he is. Also worth while to mention that 6400mts RAM and 2200mhz infinity fabric settings won’t work for everyone, not all of y’all will run at one to one ratio. Also, buildzoid has some good presets for RAM timings that DO work, use those with correct RAM if you can’t get settings in this video to work. Happy OC-ing (Thankfully most of these settings are just set and forget and will work dynamically based on what the CPU can handle)
Yep, I lost a lot of time tonight by starting at -40 and slowly easing by 5. Didn’t land on stable until -15. That’s for sure the negative curve sweet spot for my system.
question: should i get a 6000mhz cl 28 kit, try to overclock it to 6200mhz and if possible tighten the timings even further or should i get a 6400mhz cl30 kit and drop the frequency to 6200mhz?
-40 Curve Optimizer was unstable for me and gave me massive freeze frames in Elden Ring. Now running -35. Great video! love all the info combined with the straight to the point instructions on how to set everything up.
Not really. He is most likely not stable for daily use, and in the end, all core OC still provides the best FPS and 1% lows for gaming. So no need to do all this if you're just a gamer. It is still super cool to see him try the new stuff though.
so now the cool thing now is to direct die cool? I saw derba8ers video where he delidded and hadn't guessed to see the direct die cooling kit. I thought it was pretty awesome! I have been looking into the new noctua d15 g2 lbl model, where their coolers are specifically flatter and better for ryzen, would that be the sort of cooler you run with direct die, or are you aiming for a lapped waterblock?
@@dragonmaster391 You need a custom block and bracket for direct die, as this method of cooling does not use the IHS of the CPU. It's certainly not necessary, as the 9800x3d already runs pretty cool. I'm trying it more as a hobbyist than anything else.
Very informative, thank you! I am a bit saddened by the fmax limit in PBO being just 200MHz. Would be nicer if you could just tell the darn thing to try to get to 5.7 without having to have the ultra mega gigaboard with an external clock gen.
Hello Man, Amazing work you did! one question. can we use the numbers you give at the end of your tutorial are those safe or do we have to go gradually every step and test the stability being that not all 9800x3Ds are equal? I know is a noob question but overclocking could be such a time consuming process and I would love to shorten the process by following the wonderful work you did!
I wouldn't recommend copying the settings directly, but you can use the guide's process and see what works for your system. I'd do the strategies one be one (since they get more complex every step)
OMG best OC even dump people would follow along 😅 Thanks SkatterBencher for the best OC video Am going to save it for my future purchase of 9950X3D Hope they're are the same way 😅😊
It seems you always get the beyond insane gold sample of each CPU. I have owned 3x Ryzen 7xxx CPU's and now own a 9800X3D, I have never been able to run -40 CO and/or 2200 FCLK on any of them, you seem to be able to do that evey singel sample you overclock.
Surely depends what you're trying to accomplish. I old skool clocked my 5900x and got great benchmark runs... Left it like that for 2 years.... I recently played around with the curve and although it benchmarks worse....it gets better gaming fps, so going to follow this for the 9800x3d I installed today 😮
Awesome video, best OC channel!!! 👏 But what about the good old fashioned way of just increasing frequency offset and voltage? Der8auer got a 5.6ghz all core OC with a few clicks. I was expecting the more complex way of OCing with PBO/curve optimizer to have better results? Is it because of the direct die cooling that Der8auer has stability at 5.6? I’m curious to know what you think 🤔 (I’m planning how I’m going to OC my new build next year hehe)
If you can run it, 6400/3200 would be better. However, not all CPUs can easily do that so, if it happens to me, I keep all the EXPO settings apart from dropping the memory frequency a bit.
@ good to know. Not all would be able to keep 3100 too. I just got my cpu. Gonna buy memory soon. I'm so excited to try all the stuff you mentioned. Upgrading from a 5600x haha. Can't wait
Fantastic review can't wait to try this CPU, I have one question ..I own Corsair 6000 cl30 I have 7800x3d and Asus x670e-i motherboard, I've seen several of your videos, and I've seen that you use preset RAM profiles in the BIOS, can you tell me if there is a better profile for my RAM that will give some boost? I'm already happy with the performance but if I can get a bit more I would be delighted. Thanks
Nice deep dive. I would love to see you include undervolting and use lower tdp, something in between 7800x3d and 9800x3d stock 115-120 watts for example?!
Yes, I include OCCT AVX and SSE stress test results for all strategies + obviously it passes all the benchmarks. You can read more details on my blog skatterbencher.com/2024/11/06/skatterbencher-82-ryzen-7-9800x3d-overclocked-to-5750-mhz/
Why not include any multiplier overclocking since 9800x3d is the first unlocked x3d chip? Derbauer tried and managed to get 5.4 ghz all core easily, I hoped you would mix it with curve optimizer to a greater height but I don't see any mention of it in the video. Open multiplier is the best news because async clock mode and an expensive motherboard that support async clock mode is not needed this time to overclock 9800x3d, is it not?
its amd workaround to get better fps without knowledge of overclocking and proven, once again, working well on their ryzens intel usually just raising mhz and sell it
It's a tough ask to get 6G stable all-core (if we're not just doing single Cinebench runs). I think it probably requires 0C at 1.4V or so ... similar to my 9700X skatterbencher.com/2024/09/11/skatterbencher-80-ryzen-7-9700x-extreme-overclocked-to-6325-mhz/
Had to fine tune the +15 to +17 for full stability for the 105.5 ECLK OC. Passes everything. boosting to 5.725. 6400/2200 RAM/FCLK will not be stable for most without tweaking if at at all. 6200 with very tight timings works best for me and outperforms 6400 with the tightest timings I can manage with that. Got FCLK to 2200 but required voltage tweaking 'VDD MISC' and 'SOC' to work. 6200/2066 will be an easier stable target to try first Id recommend. I have a ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING WIFI so not quite as good a board but similar, its has the ECLK feature obviously.
Does the Extreme Tweaker\DRAM timing control\memory list have any 2x48GB DR presets at all? Seems like a massive oversight if not, when kits like the Corsair Titanium exist.
Question: would it be better to use a DDR5 6000 CL28 kit, overclock it to 6200mhz and try to tighten the timings even further or is it best to get a 6400 CL30 kit and bump it down to 6200 and try and thighten up the timings there?
Very Insightful, I shall have to take it one step at a time to find the limits of my 9800x3d, (silcon lotto) I do have one questions though, you have 6400 Mhz ram, but you down clock it to 6200 MHz and keep the timing. Why? and shoulsd i up the Mhz of my 6kMhz ram to 6200. What is the long term affects of running such a high OC on a CPU?
EXPO-6400 wasn't fully stable with my CPU (I guess it's the memory controller). Instead of not enabling it at all, I can stick with all the EXPO performance settings and just reduce the memory frequency once notch. It's an easy way to keep the timings while not suffering from instability.
I have a 3700X and X570 Gigabyte Elite. RAM is incredibly weird on Ryzen, to put it mildly, especially if you have 4 modules or RAM-chips (2*2*8 GB in my case). It can be stable for weeks and then all of the sudden you get a crash. Over time you notice that your POST-time increases with a few seconds and that the CPU-fan ramps up more and longer (because it is slower at checking the RAM). RAM remains a mystery on Ryzen and whatever is going on, that Infinity Fabric makes it a lot more complicated.
Unlikely, but you can refer to my 7800X3D guide. The process will be quite similar but of course the results will differ ua-cam.com/video/90UBUq1mLGY/v-deo.html
What idle temps is typical after doing the last OC suggestion? I think my idle went up 10 degrees. Idles around 56-60, then minor load is 60-65. Is that normal and safe?
Would be awesome if possible to post a guide for Aorus Master X870E undervolt / overclock as the BIOS is VERY different - especially for the memory part.
Is it possible that increasing frequency w/ an OC strategy like this can somehow introduce input latency on the system (even though it's now running higher clock speeds?).
Can you please do an undervolt of Arrow Lake CPUs, particularly the 285k or 245k, and run them at stock undervolted, undervolted with minor downclock to get max efficiency and undervolt + overclock + tuning and other optimizations?
I bought Asrock B650M HDV-M.2 and still waiting for 9800X3D to arrive. My board doesn't have external clock gen. Any chance to OC BCLK to 105Mhz like yours? I plan to delid it and running direct die cooling. (I'm new to AMD since my lastest was Phenom II x2 555BE). BTW, any chance for max OC memory gear 1 vs gear 2 e.g. your current 6200 vs 8000+. I have seen X670e gene and HDV easily reach 8400Mhz stable on both 32GB A-die and 48GB M-die.
If you BCLK OC with boards that don't have asynchronous eclk, then you'll likely be limited to 102~103 MHz due to SATA and PCIe. I just got a new EXPO-8000 kit so I'll probably have a look at performance at 8000 the next time I make a guide for Ryzen 9000.
@@SkatterBencher last question if u can help: would this be a good kit F5-8000J3848H16GX2-TZ5RK to test both scenarios? 6200 or 6400:2133 and 8000:2000 or it's not even worth it with the 9800x3d? i have a x870e hero as well
Not very much. The best you can do for gaming is getting ram 6000-6400 and tighten the timings. That has more impact on min and max fps then 200 mhz more on the cores. As with all things am5 and ryzen CPUs, they are pretty much at the limit. Still, why not undervolt your cpu? Less heat, less power and better boosting behavior. Its really easy to do too
And now realize that in future all this hassle could be done just by AI training, where the AI itself will periodically check your PC setup for stabilities at any different scenarios, voltages and timings and save all the results to MoBo memory + compare with all-around-world results from others to get more trained and accurate. And do all the overclock for you by itself, just letting you choose from few resulted setups - e. g. a setup for highest power efficiency, a setup for hardcore gaming, a setup for highest clock and so done, always utilizing the maximum stable values telling you how well are your components going in silicon loterry and how big reserves in clock/timings they have.
Hey! All good here! I have guides up with the 14700K and 14900K already: 14700K ua-cam.com/video/1kQ8waHIjAw/v-deo.html 14900K ua-cam.com/video/Ww_BJhz_w98/v-deo.html
idk if you have a Aorus x870e elite wifi 7 by chance but id love to see a step by step to do this setup . its kinda the same theres some things like the ai stuff doesnt show up on my mobo with the newest bios
Hm, this seems like a great guide. Seems like CO + 200+ Fmax is the way to go on boards without ECLK. Makes me wonder if the Gigabyte X870E Pro Ice i've been looking at has ECLK functionality..
Hi, so I just went and do the simple OC so PBO2 + Expo, just one question does go from 120 watt PPT to higher use of power right? I hope it won't make it worse for longer use, but I did gain more fps in a bunch of games I noticed.
My 9800X3D cannot even handle the basic PBO OC.. Starting to worry that there's an issue with the CPU, as when I sent PBO on then my storage device disappears. I'm using a 990 Pro NVME on a ROG Strix x870e Gaming board.
Thank you so much for the guide! Right now I have two sets of RAM and I am wondering which you think would be better for my build with the 9800X3D and ROG X870E Crosshair. One is Corsair Vengeance (Non-RGB) 6400MT/s CL32 and the other is G.Skill 7200MT/s CL34 from my current Intel build. I’m honestly not sure if the G.Skill RAM would be compatible as it is not on the motherboard’s compatible RAM list. Do you think I would get the best performance from A.) using the Corsair kit and copying the memory timing and clock adjustments you made B.) trying to run the G.Skill kit and see the best speed and timings I can get from simple EXPO or C.) copy the memory timings and clock adjustments you made but using the G.Skill kit. I that believe both RAM kits are using SK Hynix A-Dies but not 100% sure.
As I mention in the video, when testing for CO it's important to check a variety of workloads because the voltage/frequency will be different under the stress load. Typically I check really quickly (like 30-60sec) when increasing the CO and then do longer tests (10min) when validating stability.
Recommending to play a game to verify stability of one component is silly...what if your game crashes cause of your GPU ? Or windows, or ram ... OCCT is still the best way to go to check for errors
Hello, I followed your settings for method 2 but its not stable. PC either completely freezes or BSOD. Do I just reduce the negative curve optimizer (-40 might be too much) or should I do something else?
Before launch I was told it doesn't work with Zen 4, then someone told me it does work, then someone else told me it doesn't after all. So I'm not sure. Unfortunately I don't have Zen 4 in the house anymore
Do I need a Motherboard such as the 870x hero? Wouldn't something really basic like a Asrock b650m hdv suffice? The b650m probably doesnt support all these really fancy OC features, do they?
On the okay cpus 2200 should work on default voltages which are typically under 1.0v. VDDG IOD is the one which has the most effect in FCLK stability. I run 1.27v VDDG IOD on my 8600G for 2550FCLK.
I tried exact same settings using exact same components but can’t get it to run. The minute I change to asynchronous mode it doesn’t like it above 101? Any suggestions??
That's really cool, but for $829 AUD for that cpu, I think I would pass opn such extreme overclocking, as thats pretty expensive to replace because I voided the warranty. The results are quite interesting, but I would stick to a basic OC. I would like to see what you could do with 7200Mhz ram.
just tried some overclocking over the weekend it seems like the Asus AI OC actually performed the best on my chip tuned to 111 on the AI optimism scale I was able to get 5.4GHz, 20,000 cinebench r23, 71C with the async eclk and PBO I was able to get 5.4GHz, 19,700 cinebench but 82C also my infinity fabric can't go higher than 2100mhz so my chip might not be that strong also on my corsair 6400 cl32 expo kit I wasn't able to get the timings any better. applying the same settings would BSOD with a mem error
@ hmm thabks for the heads up. I just upgraded to win11 with a fresh install. but apparently HBU said some win11 installs crap out even when fresh. I have no need for win11 so I'll try win10 again and see if it improves
I’m currently on 7700X and RTX4080 combo, seriously thinking of getting the 9800X3D.. performance uplift of over 30% on the same GPU? That’s crazy stuff
No its trash, don't use it. It will chose unstable values. Just search for a forum in the next weeks and you will get the average -xx the cpus will do. Something like -15 will always work, even on bad silicone
Just a friendly pointer - everyone who’s using negative curve shaper, start at -15. Many CPUs aren’t stable at -20 or lower, especially if you’re not using really high end motherboards with industry leading power delivery like he is. Also worth while to mention that 6400mts RAM and 2200mhz infinity fabric settings won’t work for everyone, not all of y’all will run at one to one ratio. Also, buildzoid has some good presets for RAM timings that DO work, use those with correct RAM if you can’t get settings in this video to work. Happy OC-ing
(Thankfully most of these settings are just set and forget and will work dynamically based on what the CPU can handle)
Where can I find buildzoids presets?
Yep, I lost a lot of time tonight by starting at -40 and slowly easing by 5. Didn’t land on stable until -15. That’s for sure the negative curve sweet spot for my system.
my 7800X3D is fine at -25, regularly seeing 4900 to 5050 during gaming
will see later when my 9800X3D today arrives
question: should i get a 6000mhz cl 28 kit, try to overclock it to 6200mhz and if possible tighten the timings even further or should i get a 6400mhz cl30 kit and drop the frequency to 6200mhz?
@@luisnussbaum5892 the overclock for x3d is useless..
Thank you, used your content to work up a 5900X OC 2020~ …. Now coming back to your channel again.
As usual, SkatterBencher is the GOAT of OCing. Amazing video!
-40 Curve Optimizer was unstable for me and gave me massive freeze frames in Elden Ring. Now running -35. Great video! love all the info combined with the straight to the point instructions on how to set everything up.
Fantastic guide. IN plain English. When I buy one, I'm using your video as the guide.
This is a fantastically clear, concise, and methodical breakdown.
this channel is criminally underrated
Monster OC, Monster Gaming CPU, SkatterBencher is the OC Beast!
Best OC Guide Channel!
Not a guide, no mention of tests he uses for stability.
I said already - VERY UNDERRATED CHANNEL ☹️
Not really. He is most likely not stable for daily use, and in the end, all core OC still provides the best FPS and 1% lows for gaming.
So no need to do all this if you're just a gamer. It is still super cool to see him try the new stuff though.
Always has been!
@@MrEdioss Did you even watch the video? 14:14
Tried your setup. Worked right off the box. Thank you very much !
I honestly feel you are responsible for 10% of sales for the crosshair motherboard and AIO.
Thanks for this. I'm planning to direct die cool my 9800x3d, and this guide will certainly help me to get the most out of it. 👍
Check der Bauers channel and his 9800x3d review
so now the cool thing now is to direct die cool? I saw derba8ers video where he delidded and hadn't guessed to see the direct die cooling kit. I thought it was pretty awesome! I have been looking into the new noctua d15 g2 lbl model, where their coolers are specifically flatter and better for ryzen, would that be the sort of cooler you run with direct die, or are you aiming for a lapped waterblock?
@ waterblock. I run a delidded 5800x3D on an AIO.
But I’m waiting for the 9950X3D. I need those extra cores sometimes.
@@kajschak I have seen it but it doesnt go into OC details like this one. I believe he just overvolts the cpu instead of undervolting like here.
@@dragonmaster391 You need a custom block and bracket for direct die, as this method of cooling does not use the IHS of the CPU. It's certainly not necessary, as the 9800x3d already runs pretty cool. I'm trying it more as a hobbyist than anything else.
Amazing X3D overclock..
Very informative, thank you!
I am a bit saddened by the fmax limit in PBO being just 200MHz. Would be nicer if you could just tell the darn thing to try to get to 5.7 without having to have the ultra mega gigaboard with an external clock gen.
Couldn't agree more!
Hello Man, Amazing work you did! one question. can we use the numbers you give at the end of your tutorial are those safe or do we have to go gradually every step and test the stability being that not all 9800x3Ds are equal? I know is a noob question but overclocking could be such a time consuming process and I would love to shorten the process by following the wonderful work you did!
I wouldn't recommend copying the settings directly, but you can use the guide's process and see what works for your system. I'd do the strategies one be one (since they get more complex every step)
OMG best OC even dump people would follow along 😅
Thanks SkatterBencher for the best OC video
Am going to save it for my future purchase of 9950X3D
Hope they're are the same way 😅😊
I'll have to prepare a separate guide for the 9950X3D then!
It seems you always get the beyond insane gold sample of each CPU. I have owned 3x Ryzen 7xxx CPU's and now own a 9800X3D, I have never been able to run -40 CO and/or 2200 FCLK on any of them, you seem to be able to do that evey singel sample you overclock.
I'd like to see more content about how low the CPU power consumption can go without compromising too much stock performance.
I prefer the oldschool way of OC :allcore OC ,fixed voltage . For example 8c/16t @5,5ghz 1,25V . I wish this method was included in this video.
Can you do that with this CPU? 7800x3d doesn't allow it right? Manual overclock i mean
Yes, the 9800X3D allows for manual overclocking
@@goca4451 Yes you can with 9800x3d .
@@SkatterBencher what would the max fps gains when gaming on FPS games(csgo） compared to the stock and stock ram?
Surely depends what you're trying to accomplish. I old skool clocked my 5900x and got great benchmark runs... Left it like that for 2 years.... I recently played around with the curve and although it benchmarks worse....it gets better gaming fps, so going to follow this for the 9800x3d I installed today 😮
Awesome video, best OC channel!!! 👏 But what about the good old fashioned way of just increasing frequency offset and voltage? Der8auer got a 5.6ghz all core OC with a few clicks. I was expecting the more complex way of OCing with PBO/curve optimizer to have better results? Is it because of the direct die cooling that Der8auer has stability at 5.6? I’m curious to know what you think 🤔 (I’m planning how I’m going to OC my new build next year hehe)
Excellent overclocking Guide for true overclockers , so as usual ))
Insane job. Subbed. Isn't it the best to make sure uclk runs at 3200? Doesn't setting memory to 6200 limits uclk to only work at 3100?
If you can run it, 6400/3200 would be better. However, not all CPUs can easily do that so, if it happens to me, I keep all the EXPO settings apart from dropping the memory frequency a bit.
@ good to know. Not all would be able to keep 3100 too. I just got my cpu. Gonna buy memory soon. I'm so excited to try all the stuff you mentioned. Upgrading from a 5600x haha. Can't wait
I'd love to see you team up with Der Bauer
I did strategy 2 before watching this video but with a -20 curve optimizer. I didn't even consider I can get as low as 40.
-50 is the limited ... and then you can still stack it with up to -30 Curve Shaper
@@SkatterBenchermine didn’t do so well after -41. Prime 95 was doing weird stuff anything below.
This is like academic article. I enjoyed so much ! Thank you for your effort ♥
Fantastic review can't wait to try this CPU, I have one question ..I own Corsair 6000 cl30 I have 7800x3d and Asus x670e-i motherboard, I've seen several of your videos, and I've seen that you use preset RAM profiles in the BIOS, can you tell me if there is a better profile for my RAM that will give some boost? I'm already happy with the performance but if I can get a bit more I would be delighted. Thanks
Dive into Buildzoid videos, I use his timings in combination with a 7700X and it about 4-6% faster in average.
Nice deep dive. I would love to see you include undervolting and use lower tdp, something in between 7800x3d and 9800x3d stock 115-120 watts for example?!
In that case, I would simply adjust the PPT limit for any overclocking strategy
Clear and Concise. Thank you for yet another informative OC on my Brain. :D Liked and Subbed already.
Someone needs to give you a 4090 so that your test bench isn't so GPU bottlenecked in the gaming tests.
This, seriously
yes pls thx
@@SkatterBencher just test with a 4070 ti on 2k CS2
we are indebted to you anyway.
Forget the 4090, get this man an RTX 5090 when it launches in a few months!
@@ShieftainRTX 5090 anyday over 4090!
Is this OC safe to run on a daily basis?
Great tutorial, just a quick question on scalar 10x would this have a issue on the cpu in the long run?
In theory, maybe. But the actual impact of scalar is really limited (20-30mV in light loads) so I don't see how it could have any impact on lifespan
@SkatterBencher thank you, and it's a really helpful guide.
Were these overclocks tested for errors and overall stability?
Yes, I include OCCT AVX and SSE stress test results for all strategies + obviously it passes all the benchmarks. You can read more details on my blog skatterbencher.com/2024/11/06/skatterbencher-82-ryzen-7-9800x3d-overclocked-to-5750-mhz/
Wonderful stuff! How do I set the CPU to run at steady 5250Hz regardless?(trying to remove stutter/microstutter in VR)
Meu amigo, você é espetacular!
What do you recommend for settings for curve shaping for gaming? The ones In the video or others? I currently have 7200mhz 2x16gb ram
Why not include any multiplier overclocking since 9800x3d is the first unlocked x3d chip? Derbauer tried and managed to get 5.4 ghz all core easily, I hoped you would mix it with curve optimizer to a greater height but I don't see any mention of it in the video. Open multiplier is the best news because async clock mode and an expensive motherboard that support async clock mode is not needed this time to overclock 9800x3d, is it not?
its not that, 3d cache somehow limiting overclock bcs its there beside the cpu and could be damaged with high temp/ voltage
its amd workaround to get better fps without knowledge of overclocking and proven, once again, working well on their ryzens
intel usually just raising mhz and sell it
As far as gaming is concerned his method is faster
@@rdmz135 how is it faster? he's not even using the unlocked multipliers...
It's a good point! I did quickly try ~5.5G with a static overclock but it wasn't quite stable. And then I ran out of time to prepare the guide.
if i use a chiller and delid do you think it can go 6g all core?
It's a tough ask to get 6G stable all-core (if we're not just doing single Cinebench runs). I think it probably requires 0C at 1.4V or so ... similar to my 9700X skatterbencher.com/2024/09/11/skatterbencher-80-ryzen-7-9700x-extreme-overclocked-to-6325-mhz/
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Had to fine tune the +15 to +17 for full stability for the 105.5 ECLK OC. Passes everything. boosting to 5.725.
6400/2200 RAM/FCLK will not be stable for most without tweaking if at at all. 6200 with very tight timings works best for me and outperforms 6400 with the tightest timings I can manage with that. Got FCLK to 2200 but required voltage tweaking 'VDD MISC' and 'SOC' to work. 6200/2066 will be an easier stable target to try first Id recommend.
I have a ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING WIFI so not quite as good a board but similar, its has the ECLK feature obviously.
Does the Extreme Tweaker\DRAM timing control\memory list have any 2x48GB DR presets at all? Seems like a massive oversight if not, when kits like the Corsair Titanium exist.
Question: would it be better to use a DDR5 6000 CL28 kit, overclock it to 6200mhz and try to tighten the timings even further or is it best to get a 6400 CL30 kit and bump it down to 6200 and try and thighten up the timings there?
6000 kit will be cheaper, so I'd go for that
its around the same price, i would like to know which option is better!
Very Insightful, I shall have to take it one step at a time to find the limits of my 9800x3d, (silcon lotto) I do have one questions though, you have 6400 Mhz ram, but you down clock it to 6200 MHz and keep the timing. Why? and shoulsd i up the Mhz of my 6kMhz ram to 6200. What is the long term affects of running such a high OC on a CPU?
EXPO-6400 wasn't fully stable with my CPU (I guess it's the memory controller). Instead of not enabling it at all, I can stick with all the EXPO performance settings and just reduce the memory frequency once notch. It's an easy way to keep the timings while not suffering from instability.
When is 5 minute guide coming? Well done!
December 11
I have a 3700X and X570 Gigabyte Elite. RAM is incredibly weird on Ryzen, to put it mildly, especially if you have 4 modules or RAM-chips (2*2*8 GB in my case). It can be stable for weeks and then all of the sudden you get a crash. Over time you notice that your POST-time increases with a few seconds and that the CPU-fan ramps up more and longer (because it is slower at checking the RAM). RAM remains a mystery on Ryzen and whatever is going on, that Infinity Fabric makes it a lot more complicated.
Will you be doing a video for the 7600X3D? If not, any older one I can refer to?
Unlikely, but you can refer to my 7800X3D guide. The process will be quite similar but of course the results will differ ua-cam.com/video/90UBUq1mLGY/v-deo.html
What idle temps is typical after doing the last OC suggestion? I think my idle went up 10 degrees. Idles around 56-60, then minor load is 60-65. Is that normal and safe?
Would be awesome if possible to post a guide for Aorus Master X870E undervolt / overclock as the BIOS is VERY different - especially for the memory part.
Very good guide, just discover your channel!
Can you do a undervolt & overclock guide with a 5700X3D?
go with 5800x3d guide this give you idea how to approach it
Is it possible that increasing frequency w/ an OC strategy like this can somehow introduce input latency on the system (even though it's now running higher clock speeds?).
Can you please do an undervolt of Arrow Lake CPUs, particularly the 285k or 245k, and run them at stock undervolted, undervolted with minor downclock to get max efficiency and undervolt + overclock + tuning and other optimizations?
Who cares about Intel ultra slow?
I am working on an OC guide which will include undervolting but not so sure about including "max efficiency"
@@SkatterBencher Sure, undervolt at stock or slightly below stock speeds is also great.
I bought Asrock B650M HDV-M.2 and still waiting for 9800X3D to arrive. My board doesn't have external clock gen. Any chance to OC BCLK to 105Mhz like yours? I plan to delid it and running direct die cooling. (I'm new to AMD since my lastest was Phenom II x2 555BE).
BTW, any chance for max OC memory gear 1 vs gear 2 e.g. your current 6200 vs 8000+. I have seen X670e gene and HDV easily reach 8400Mhz stable on both 32GB A-die and 48GB M-die.
If you BCLK OC with boards that don't have asynchronous eclk, then you'll likely be limited to 102~103 MHz due to SATA and PCIe.
I just got a new EXPO-8000 kit so I'll probably have a look at performance at 8000 the next time I make a guide for Ryzen 9000.
Wonder how this would do in games?
hello. great video. what is your g skill ram kit? the one in the link goes to a 48gb kit.
I have some early production model of this F5-6400J3239G16GX2-TZ5NR.
Thanks for the heads up, I updated the link in the description too
@@SkatterBencher ty mate
@@SkatterBencher last question if u can help: would this be a good kit F5-8000J3848H16GX2-TZ5RK to test both scenarios? 6200 or 6400:2133 and 8000:2000 or it's not even worth it with the 9800x3d? i have a x870e hero as well
Any noticeable improvements in gaming workloads?
Just like other Ryzen 9000 CPUs - I see little gains in games from overclocking
Great vid. Learned a lot. Thanks.
My question is, is it worth any of these overclocking methods for gaming?
Not very much. The best you can do for gaming is getting ram 6000-6400 and tighten the timings. That has more impact on min and max fps then 200 mhz more on the cores.
As with all things am5 and ryzen CPUs, they are pretty much at the limit. Still, why not undervolt your cpu? Less heat, less power and better boosting behavior. Its really easy to do too
@@TehShiaT11einself Thanks for the advice man, I'm going to undervolt it, less heat is always welcome!
When enabling timings for the memory you say select 6200 2x16. If I have 2 x 32 do I select still the 2x16??
Danke!
We need game benchmark with this
And now realize that in future all this hassle could be done just by AI training, where the AI itself will periodically check your PC setup for stabilities at any different scenarios, voltages and timings and save all the results to MoBo memory + compare with all-around-world results from others to get more trained and accurate. And do all the overclock for you by itself, just letting you choose from few resulted setups - e. g. a setup for highest power efficiency, a setup for hardcore gaming, a setup for highest clock and so done, always utilizing the maximum stable values telling you how well are your components going in silicon loterry and how big reserves in clock/timings they have.
I ended up getting the 650e taichi lite hopefully itll be good
Hey, how's it going? I've got a few questions about the 14700k and 14900k processor undervolt. How to do it right and easy
Hey! All good here! I have guides up with the 14700K and 14900K already:
14700K ua-cam.com/video/1kQ8waHIjAw/v-deo.html
14900K ua-cam.com/video/Ww_BJhz_w98/v-deo.html
idk if you have a Aorus x870e elite wifi 7 by chance but id love to see a step by step to do this setup . its kinda the same theres some things like the ai stuff doesnt show up on my mobo with the newest bios
Hm, this seems like a great guide. Seems like CO + 200+ Fmax is the way to go on boards without ECLK. Makes me wonder if the Gigabyte X870E Pro Ice i've been looking at has ECLK functionality..
What kind of gaming advantages do these oc strategies offer?
Best OC channel. What would you recommend for this ryzen DDR5 6000 or 6400?
depends on the cl
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 28 on 6000 and 30 on 6400
I have a 6000 kit that runs 6400 cl 30 and its better ofc. Lower latency. At the same time, if you do 6000 cl28 there is almost no difference
8000mhz is the best so you can match UCLK and FCLK
Whatever works with 1:1 UCLK (6400 might be a little tricky), then just optimize the sub-timings a bit.
are you planning to do a skatterbencher episode on 285K/265K/245K?
Yep, have a 285K and 245K test system set up. It's taking a bit more time yet because I'm still ironing out the OC Strategies :)
@@SkatterBencher Lol. Np bro. We know how trash they are.
@@nexxustyLOL yep.
Can you do a video without eBCLK, not many boards have that and there are none in smaller form factors.
Will you ever be doing on these for Threadripper cpus?
Or just too expensive for you to do?
I mean 7000 & later 9,000
I've got several Threadripper guides up. Here's the playlist ua-cam.com/video/KNKdZ5WxXYw/v-deo.html
If you ran 8000 memory in gear 2 would it leave more headroom to overclock the CPU?
Hi, so I just went and do the simple OC so PBO2 + Expo, just one question does go from 120 watt PPT to higher use of power right? I hope it won't make it worse for longer use, but I did gain more fps in a bunch of games I noticed.
Yes, when enabling PBO you'll use more power. I find that at worst the power is 160W, so it's still very reasonable.
My 9800X3D cannot even handle the basic PBO OC.. Starting to worry that there's an issue with the CPU, as when I sent PBO on then my storage device disappears. I'm using a 990 Pro NVME on a ROG Strix x870e Gaming board.
Thank you so much for the guide! Right now I have two sets of RAM and I am wondering which you think would be better for my build with the 9800X3D and ROG X870E Crosshair. One is Corsair Vengeance (Non-RGB) 6400MT/s CL32 and the other is G.Skill 7200MT/s CL34 from my current Intel build. I’m honestly not sure if the G.Skill RAM would be compatible as it is not on the motherboard’s compatible RAM list. Do you think I would get the best performance from A.) using the Corsair kit and copying the memory timing and clock adjustments you made B.) trying to run the G.Skill kit and see the best speed and timings I can get from simple EXPO or C.) copy the memory timings and clock adjustments you made but using the G.Skill kit. I that believe both RAM kits are using SK Hynix A-Dies but not 100% sure.
@SkatterBencher
Tuning the 6400 kit will probably be more straight-forward than the 7200 kit
@@SkatterBencherthank you so much!
On this day I learned how to OC
Hi, great vid. For how long should I run occt cpu tests to check for any instabilities with a CO on my 9700X? Cheers.
As I mention in the video, when testing for CO it's important to check a variety of workloads because the voltage/frequency will be different under the stress load. Typically I check really quickly (like 30-60sec) when increasing the CO and then do longer tests (10min) when validating stability.
Inbuildt tests arent good enough for playing Pubg. Play Pubg on big maps for 3 hours, no crashes -> perfect stability.
Recommending to play a game to verify stability of one component is silly...what if your game crashes cause of your GPU ? Or windows, or ram ...
OCCT is still the best way to go to check for errors
Hello, I followed your settings for method 2 but its not stable. PC either completely freezes or BSOD. Do I just reduce the negative curve optimizer (-40 might be too much) or should I do something else?
40 is too much for most, start with 20, if that is stable then move to 25 etc.
Fucking MASTER and MONSTER, best OC details youtube channel....
Do you think the curve shaper works with the ryzen 7 7800x3d because I have the option offered to me in my bios?
Before launch I was told it doesn't work with Zen 4, then someone told me it does work, then someone else told me it doesn't after all. So I'm not sure.
Unfortunately I don't have Zen 4 in the house anymore
Do I need a Motherboard such as the 870x hero? Wouldn't something really basic like a Asrock b650m hdv suffice?
The b650m probably doesnt support all these really fancy OC features, do they?
All boards, including B650, should support every OC strategy except for the last one with asynchronous eclk.
did you increase die vddg iod and ccd for the fclk 2200 or both on auto (system ramped it up from default?)
Auto-rules increased it to 1.0V. I didn't touch it myself
On the okay cpus 2200 should work on default voltages which are typically under 1.0v. VDDG IOD is the one which has the most effect in FCLK stability. I run 1.27v VDDG IOD on my 8600G for 2550FCLK.
I am unable to find the ECLK setting on my X870E AORUS PRO, is anyone able to find a workaround for this?
I tried exact same settings using exact same components but can’t get it to run. The minute I change to asynchronous mode it doesn’t like it above 101? Any suggestions??
Are you changing the correct eclk in asynchronous mode? What is the behavior - just not booting up?
My PC doesnt boot when I change eclk :(
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Good lord
That's really cool, but for $829 AUD for that cpu, I think I would pass opn such extreme overclocking, as thats pretty expensive to replace because I voided the warranty.
The results are quite interesting, but I would stick to a basic OC.
I would like to see what you could do with 7200Mhz ram.
Is there any difference in gaming ?
is there any sort of higher bin for amd cpus or is that just an intel cpu thing ?
AMD's definitely binning too. CCD0 of the Ryzen 9s are usually in a class of their own
Yo could you do some gaming benchmarks with this setup?
best he can do is OC the iGPU in 9800x3d
I wish there was a productivity chip with bigger better L1 and L2
Would be cool if you look into Direct Die-cooling on this cpu.
just tried some overclocking over the weekend
it seems like the Asus AI OC actually performed the best on my chip
tuned to 111 on the AI optimism scale
I was able to get 5.4GHz, 20,000 cinebench r23, 71C
with the async eclk and PBO I was able to get 5.4GHz, 19,700 cinebench but 82C
also my infinity fabric can't go higher than 2100mhz so my chip might not be that strong
also on my corsair 6400 cl32 expo kit I wasn't able to get the timings any better. applying the same settings would BSOD with a mem error
That score isn’t normal. You should get 23500-24000 around 5.4G.
@ hmm thabks for the heads up.
I just upgraded to win11 with a fresh install. but apparently HBU said some win11 installs crap out even when fresh.
I have no need for win11 so I'll try win10 again and see if it improves
I’m currently on 7700X and RTX4080 combo, seriously thinking of getting the 9800X3D.. performance uplift of over 30% on the same GPU? That’s crazy stuff
Just went from a 7800x3D to 9800x3d and did achieve more fps and better 1% lows, highly recommend for you too. Playing 1440p 360hz OLED panel
Would Ryzen Master auto curve optimizer would give the same result?
No its trash, don't use it. It will chose unstable values. Just search for a forum in the next weeks and you will get the average -xx the cpus will do. Something like -15 will always work, even on bad silicone
Hi i am getting Asus 650E F Board strix , Hope it can do similar results.
What if i dont have the asus crosshair? can i do this with the $200 asrock x870 pro rs?
Up to the final strategy, yes.
Its a shame they didnt unlock the pbo boost clock override, id imagine a lot of these can easily do 5.4ghz+ with PBO.
Can you still force a static voltage on 9800X3D if you really wanted?
old style oc should can on any board, prob pbo disabled option
Getting 90+ degrees running Cinebinch R24 with these settings. I used -15 to be "safe". Still 90 degrees with -20
If you want lower temperatures, there's a Precision Boost option to limit the maximum boost temp.
@@SkatterBencher I went out and bought a brand new Corsair AIO and the temps went down maybe 2 degrees. Max of 89 using Cinebench R24.
What should I do with the settings for 6000 MHz memory?
I have a 2x32Gb 6000mhz memory how i have to tweak that memory??