True u gotta give him some credit he also doted on his kids till he tired of them sadly for him you can divorce your wife even kill her but you can’t really do that to your innocent children Elisabeth was what 2-3 when anne was killed killing a 3 year old would be bad PR for him and mary was 8-18 when shit went badly for her plus I lowkey think Spain might have got pissy if he hurt Mary or Catharine and Edward was always safe from Henry’s rath .
Giuli Dubuc He had an affair with Anne Boleyn’s sister for many years before he started wooing Anne. Anne’s sister was his longest-standing, and most beloved mistress (the show portrays their relationship as a mere fling, but it really wasn’t - it lasted several years).
Henry gave her everything but he failed to understand that she was a teenager who was forced to grow up overnight he loved her energy her innocence but he wanted to dictate her which you can not do with a teenager
Well she had number of bfs before marriage . She wasn’t well behaved since start . Teenagers that time were treated and educated as adults n she was never a good example of a teenager . She wasn’t raised in a brothel but she was a Wild child
@Viking Song I will not say that I am justifying him but at those times a man (most of all a king) did not consider it adultery to have affairs outside marriage. In fact as you see from this series too there were official mistresses in other words official lovers of the king. I am not saying this was greeted with happiness by everyone (church for example officially claimed it was unacceptable while in reality church too rarely ever did anything against it) so from the point of view at that time, Henry wasn't doing something bad. Nowadays of course that is adultery and is a punishable crime. As well as underage marriages. At that time Catherine was 17 which means more than capable of having children. In Middle Ages if a woman was good enough to bleed it meant good to breed and therefore capable of being in a relationship (aka marriage). Being 17 at that time (considering the fact that women often had already stopped their periods and considered old at the age of 40) was roughly like us today being 25. At least that is what people thought. Women were usually capable of marrying from their 11 or 12 years of age, which means when they have their first mensuriation circle. Unfortunately for poor Catherine it was also the large age gab plus Henry's wound to his leg that probably made the relationship unbearable. (in fact a person in Henry's court had written that "you didn't need to be announced that the king was coming. You could smell him three rooms away".) Henry was suffering from an old wound to his leg which was rotting constantly and was also suffering from migraine pains from when he hit himself in jousting tournament. It is not "several". It's two. Two out of his six wives were executed (Anne and Catherine.) he took dovorc from two (Catherine of Aragon and Anne of Cleves) and Jane died. His last wife widowed. Anne denied the charges before she Elsa's executed and as far as I know historians have not found proof of the charges. With Katherine is most possible the charges to be true since she was so much younger than the king and the king rarely ever had time for her because of his wounds. So yeah from our point of view what Henry does is unacceptable but at that time usually this was the way nobles saw their wives. What Henry did had happened countless times in the past...
I know age doesn't define maturity all the time but teenagers in general--past or present would be immature. It's Henry's fault too for not knowing Katherine isn't gonna be into him like that. He just wanted an heir so badly.
@@yasmilnicolejimenez8654 in fairness, early in Henry's reign he was tall, athletic and widely considered good looking Tho by this time he had aged, had a nasty leg wound that never healed properly and was overweight. Only by the last few episodes did the series age him up but they never did much with the weight matter I don't think
@TheVampireLover1901 To add to HistoryGirl's comment, dresses in the 16th century (and practically up until the 19th century) were often worn for days at a time, and certainly passed down from relatives to other relatives, mother to daughter, and perhaps even Queen to Queen.
I suspect KH may have chosen (either on her own or through manipulation of other courtiers) adultery to increase her chances of conceiving. But I do think Henry was ridiculous to expect sexual fidelity from her.
@@amasion2882 He absolutely was. What makes it even worse is that the sexual double standard was not actually universally as severe back then as it became in the Victorian Age. I used to think it was all the same, which was quite stupid of me, to imagine the Tudor Era would be any more like the Victorian Era than either like our own! Once I studied the era, I realized that 'courtly love' allowed quite relaxed standards for both male and female courtiers. Chastity was praised as a virtue for both men and women, and the church deplored the low standards; but you could always repent of your 'frailty.' Henry's mistresses had husbands after him; their 'loss of virtue' did not preclude men from marrying them and them having respectable lives. There were women who lived separately from their husbands and demanded alimony - not official divorce, but effectively so. Affairs were quite frequent. The cuckolded husband was a figure of fun in popular Tudor culture, not his unfaithful wife a complete monster. There was probably still more infidelity from men as they did not run the risk of pregnancy; but the severe stigma against unfaithful/non-virginal women alone did not arise fully until the 19th century. So who did Henry think he was? How did he expect a beautiful young girl not to satisfy her 'hot youthful blood' when he couldn't? They didn't deny women had desires too in Tudor times. The answer, of course, is he was the king. His pride was hurt that anyone could prefer anyone else to him, even now that he was old and unwell and overweight. He was outraged and offended at becoming the 'figure of fun' cuckold and humiliated in front of his SUBJECTS, oh horror! and so turned it into treason and murdered Katherine to save face. Pretty thoroughly disgusting any way you look at it.
@@MrsSasukeUchiha no, Jane didn't make him happy... He started to "like" her after their son, but he never loved her. The wife's he loved the most were Anne B, Katherine H. And of Aragon.
not just her age but her upbringing. She wasn't brought up in a household where decorum and formalities were properly taught. Elizabeth and Mary managed to behave appropriately at that age but they had been taught how
It was a matter of prestige back then to do menial jobs for the King in order to be close to him and gain favors. 'Groom of the stool' was an important position. The work he did would ve considered repulsive in today's time.
@AWickedMind At the end of the day, she was still a home wrecker that was deeply disliked until Henry unjustly sent her to her death. only then did the british people sympathise with her.
@BubblegumPopMusic13 Poor Anne? if you referring to AOC then no because she was lucky and escaped. If you mean Anne Boleyn, then no because she was a bitter home wrecker that was horrible to KOA and Mary. Kitty did nothing but please people or try to.
Anne of Cleves' marriage to Henry was annulled on grounds of her precontract with the Duke of Lorraine (an unbroken precontract was considered a barrier). She became "the King's well-beloved sister" and was given a generous financial settlement (including Hever Castle, Anne Boelyn's ancestral home)--on the condition that she remained in England. Nice way to avoid a war with Cleves. 8-)
Henry knew how to treat his women, with the all the gifts and the poems. That is, until he tired of them.
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All he wants is a son
@@susanwaugh3885 Many of them.
True u gotta give him some credit he also doted on his kids till he tired of them sadly for him you can divorce your wife even kill her but you can’t really do that to your innocent children Elisabeth was what 2-3 when anne was killed killing a 3 year old would be bad PR for him and mary was 8-18 when shit went badly for her plus I lowkey think Spain might have got pissy if he hurt Mary or Catharine and Edward was always safe from Henry’s rath .
did he treat them so well that he condemned them to beheading? the rings and all the gifts he made don't erase what he did!
I can't help it, I love all of his wifes...
Katherine Parr was the best
indeed each woman as idividual was so spectacular in her own way, and they were ruined by marring his stupidity!
They all are yes
I love all but Jane she did not do much she was not his type
wives not wifes
I always thought he saw Anne Boleyn in Catherine. After all they are cousins. Which i absolutely thought was crazy!!
Giuli Dubuc He had an affair with Anne Boleyn’s sister for many years before he started wooing Anne. Anne’s sister was his longest-standing, and most beloved mistress (the show portrays their relationship as a mere fling, but it really wasn’t - it lasted several years).
Is it any wonder Mary HATED Kitty Howard's guts. She wanted nothing to do with anyone who reminded her of her late witch of a stepmother.
She was his midlife crisis
@@msfriendsfan4ever788 that's it in a nutshell
Agreed
Henry gave her everything but he failed to understand that she was a teenager who was forced to grow up overnight he loved her energy her innocence but he wanted to dictate her which you can not do with a teenager
Well she had number of bfs before marriage . She wasn’t well behaved since start . Teenagers that time were treated and educated as adults n she was never a good example of a teenager . She wasn’t raised in a brothel but she was a Wild child
@Viking Song I will not say that I am justifying him but at those times a man (most of all a king) did not consider it adultery to have affairs outside marriage. In fact as you see from this series too there were official mistresses in other words official lovers of the king. I am not saying this was greeted with happiness by everyone (church for example officially claimed it was unacceptable while in reality church too rarely ever did anything against it) so from the point of view at that time, Henry wasn't doing something bad.
Nowadays of course that is adultery and is a punishable crime.
As well as underage marriages. At that time Catherine was 17 which means more than capable of having children. In Middle Ages if a woman was good enough to bleed it meant good to breed and therefore capable of being in a relationship (aka marriage). Being 17 at that time (considering the fact that women often had already stopped their periods and considered old at the age of 40) was roughly like us today being 25. At least that is what people thought. Women were usually capable of marrying from their 11 or 12 years of age, which means when they have their first mensuriation circle.
Unfortunately for poor Catherine it was also the large age gab plus Henry's wound to his leg that probably made the relationship unbearable.
(in fact a person in Henry's court had written that "you didn't need to be announced that the king was coming. You could smell him three rooms away".) Henry was suffering from an old wound to his leg which was rotting constantly and was also suffering from migraine pains from when he hit himself in jousting tournament.
It is not "several". It's two. Two out of his six wives were executed (Anne and Catherine.) he took dovorc from two (Catherine of Aragon and Anne of Cleves) and Jane died. His last wife widowed.
Anne denied the charges before she Elsa's executed and as far as I know historians have not found proof of the charges. With Katherine is most possible the charges to be true since she was so much younger than the king and the king rarely ever had time for her because of his wounds.
So yeah from our point of view what Henry does is unacceptable but at that time usually this was the way nobles saw their wives. What Henry did had happened countless times in the past...
He was old enough to be her GRANDFATHER. Whatever could he have been thinking??
Zoe Fang it’s not a big thing at that time period . Even now ! Age is never the problem , it’s always IMMATURITY
I know age doesn't define maturity all the time but teenagers in general--past or present would be immature. It's Henry's fault too for not knowing Katherine isn't gonna be into him like that. He just wanted an heir so badly.
Funny.. that looks an awful lot like the ring Anne wore...
the queens jewelry was probably handed down refurbished and renewed tho..
@@NikkiGloom it was- it always gets reset. much like how Anne wore what Catherine wore before her
@flash2ade
Yes, they were. Anne Boleyn's mother, Elizabeth Boleyn, was a Howard before her marriage to Thomas Boleyn.
TheStarSorceress Anne and Katherine were cousins. Katharine's father was a younger brother of the Duke of Norfolk; Elizabeth was a sister.
Okay, Henry definitely did not look like that at this point in his life.
Etxacly, this king is hot
yes, they have taken 'strong artistic licence ahaha
If the actor is like the real Henry, there wouldn't be any much views for the show. Beauty almost always catches attention 😅
@@yasmilnicolejimenez8654 in fairness, early in Henry's reign he was tall, athletic and widely considered good looking
Tho by this time he had aged, had a nasty leg wound that never healed properly and was overweight.
Only by the last few episodes did the series age him up but they never did much with the weight matter I don't think
@@yasmilnicolejimenez8654ayo
All his wives had there good points!!! Even though he didn't see it or deserve them.
Perhaps it was they who didn’t deserve his spoils.
Rip beautiful Katherine. Henry would turn in his grave knowing that we still no she existed and we still love her.
We so need more Tudors clips.
If you have watched reign the guy after Henry and Catherine kiss played bash in reign
He's a much more lovable character as Bash, LOL. I hated him in the Tudors.
@TheVampireLover1901 To add to HistoryGirl's comment, dresses in the 16th century (and practically up until the 19th century) were often worn for days at a time, and certainly passed down from relatives to other relatives, mother to daughter, and perhaps even Queen to Queen.
I am NOT a fan of Kitty Howard at all but Tamzin Merchant is too stunning for words and too freaking talented.
Poor Katherine Howard
i just rewatched the whole series on hulu. it was even better the second time around! ❤❤❤
If I remember right, that ring belonged to Catherine's cousin, Anne Boleyn.
Royal jewlery was and still is used again and passed to another person in line.
@ThePoprincess89 she was a child....what if you were in her shoes wouldn't you marry Henry.? she made a mistake...but she did not deserve death..
Ofc not, Even Anne B could see that...
I suspect KH may have chosen (either on her own or through manipulation of other courtiers) adultery to increase her chances of conceiving. But I do think Henry was ridiculous to expect sexual fidelity from her.
@@amasion2882 He absolutely was. What makes it even worse is that the sexual double standard was not actually universally as severe back then as it became in the Victorian Age. I used to think it was all the same, which was quite stupid of me, to imagine the Tudor Era would be any more like the Victorian Era than either like our own! Once I studied the era, I realized that 'courtly love' allowed quite relaxed standards for both male and female courtiers. Chastity was praised as a virtue for both men and women, and the church deplored the low standards; but you could always repent of your 'frailty.' Henry's mistresses had husbands after him; their 'loss of virtue' did not preclude men from marrying them and them having respectable lives. There were women who lived separately from their husbands and demanded alimony - not official divorce, but effectively so. Affairs were quite frequent. The cuckolded husband was a figure of fun in popular Tudor culture, not his unfaithful wife a complete monster. There was probably still more infidelity from men as they did not run the risk of pregnancy; but the severe stigma against unfaithful/non-virginal women alone did not arise fully until the 19th century.
So who did Henry think he was? How did he expect a beautiful young girl not to satisfy her 'hot youthful blood' when he couldn't? They didn't deny women had desires too in Tudor times. The answer, of course, is he was the king. His pride was hurt that anyone could prefer anyone else to him, even now that he was old and unwell and overweight. He was outraged and offended at becoming the 'figure of fun' cuckold and humiliated in front of his SUBJECTS, oh horror! and so turned it into treason and murdered Katherine to save face. Pretty thoroughly disgusting any way you look at it.
Mad she could of played daenerys in game of thrones 😂😂🤣🤣
thank god she didnt it would ve been awful
I'm already okay with Emilia Clarke
Don't insult Khaleesi like that.
Everyone...I meant its crazy to think she COULD have played her lol
thanks sho upload more in this and in facebook!!who are ane askew dont see photos!!
For some reason she made him so much happier than the rest did.
Not Anne
what about Jane Seymour?
she gave him a son but sadly died
@@MrsSasukeUchiha no, Jane didn't make him happy... He started to "like" her after their son, but he never loved her.
The wife's he loved the most were Anne B, Katherine H. And of Aragon.
@@MrsSasukeUchiha nope even before she came to court he saw two more beautiful ladies and said i wish i saw them before i married jane
@@Asia-zd1rg IK HATE Jane Seymour.
Is it me or it is the ring Anne have wore
1:37 I think in some way Thomas Culpepper did love Katherine.
@@kiera6326 yes
Omg he was staring at her 😂😂😂😂😂
Jane Bolelyn looked jealous. As if she wanted to be Henry's wife
i can' t find this episode !
coool
Bassss..😍💞
cool
It's blood.
@brendawalsh9021o I agree with you
Did I see bash and king henry from reign on this show?
What is that series name
Very interesting
I love the wives not Henry-
tudors is the shit!!!
Umm that girl is underaged, does my ex actually wants to marry her?...
Lol😂😂😂. Yeah
poor Howard, she was a litle girl, stil doednt! know how to behave!
not just her age but her upbringing. She wasn't brought up in a household where decorum and formalities were properly taught. Elizabeth and Mary managed to behave appropriately at that age but they had been taught how
@flash2ade its premiering tonight
@flash2ade preview
is that jonathan rys meyers?
Yes he is playing HenryVIII in the show
babybubblegoose yes
Why is Lord Surry working as a server?
Frew Ofstew That is how it was back then.
@@gidzmobug2323 it was considered a very high honor for nobility to serve the king.
@@danagorham2083 This was when his relative, Katherine Howard, was Queen.
Nobility served royalty.
It was a matter of prestige back then to do menial jobs for the King in order to be close to him and gain favors. 'Groom of the stool' was an important position. The work he did would ve considered repulsive in today's time.
Hhhmmm....
Ok what's the crap about Anne Boleyn not sleeping with married guys, she was in a relationship with the poet guy and he was married
There was no evidence to suggest it was more than public flirting though, which was normal for the monarch to have male admirers.
Source?
@AWickedMind At the end of the day, she was still a home wrecker that was deeply disliked until Henry unjustly sent her to her death. only then did the british people sympathise with her.
IS anyone hir from 2024 ?
@BubblegumPopMusic13 Poor Anne? if you referring to AOC then no because she was lucky and escaped. If you mean Anne Boleyn, then no because she was a bitter home wrecker that was horrible to KOA and Mary. Kitty did nothing but please people or try to.
Anne of Cleves' marriage to Henry was annulled on grounds of her precontract with the Duke of Lorraine (an unbroken precontract was considered a barrier). She became "the King's well-beloved sister" and was given a generous financial settlement (including Hever Castle, Anne Boelyn's ancestral home)--on the condition that she remained in England.
Nice way to avoid a war with Cleves. 8-)