Karen Read Verdict Watch - What is the Jury thinking?
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
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Chapters:
00:00 Welcome
00:38 Intro
00:55 What Is The Jury Thinking?
02:38 Charges
10:03 Q&A
12:58 YNW Melly Jury - Hostile - Other Cases
15:33 If Hung, Does She Pay Defense?
18:15 Q&A
50:28 Conclusion
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How can anyone with common sense and critical thinking skills watch this entire trial and still think guilty? Who is on this jury??
How bout me? How can you have any of those skills if you’re in her colon?
50 PERSON CONSPIRACY VS ANGRY DRUNK SOON TO BE EX RUNS OVER BF. THE DEFENSE WITH ALL THERE HOT AIR GAVE THEM A CHOICE.
McAlberts cousins
@@sbmom7and that is why we watch a whole trial. Because you just stated a summary that was proved false in trial.
@@sbmom7if there is one person like you on the jury… that is the problem! They stopped listening to the whole case and all the facts and evidence once they heard “cover up” because they think conspiracies are not real like they could never happen… only 5 people have to be in on the cover up NOT 50
If they find her guilty, I have absolutely no faith in them
No doubt you and your like will say the jury are also in on the conspiracy
I am a forensic nurse examiner. The marks on his arms are dog bites. Those are not lacerations from a tail light in fact it would be impossible for a tail light to have created those lacerations. This is based on directionality of the injuries and the fact that the injuries are from wrist to armpit. The other issues I have are with some of the other injuries. They are not consistent with being hit by an SUV at 24 MP. There are too many questions that just don't add up based wholly on evidence.
They are not dog bites. They don’t even go around the arm, so how does that happen? What kind of dog bites a person and cleans up its own DNA so that it totally disappears? C’mon people. Use your common sense.
@@barbaramay1866But those wounds weren’t swabbed. Dog bites can and do often look like this.
@@barbaramay1866 Do you even know what to expect about DNA evidence? How prevalent would it be in wounds like this? Would environmental conditions affect it? Did the body come into contact with chemicals that would damage or hide DNA? How/when were the swabs taken? Were best practices followed? Was the chain of custody recorded/followed? We’re lab practices correct? We’re sample storage processes/conditions correct? These were all questions raised, and it’s why DNA evidence is not the keystone in most cases. This is real life, not CSI TV. However, multiple experts confirmed the wounds are consistent with dog bites. No person explained with certainty and credibility another cause for those wounds.
@@seashelle73 The sweatshirt was swabbed and there was no dog DNA. How could a dog bite through clothing and leave no DNA? Also, there is no way Chloe bit this gentle man. She was never trained as an attack dog. She was their pet. Normal dogs don't morph into viciousness even if there was a fight. The fight is insane to think they beat their friend to death and blamed Karen Read. I don't understand why people don't see that Karen Read is the one who has been trying to frame them for killing John. Even the Feds said John was never in the house and that there was no evidence of a cover-up.
@@kerwynbrat5771 try reversing at 24 mph. That is fast and if so no bruising broken bones etc?
As former ortho neuro trauma nurse, I don't see how he was hit by a car and had no trauma to his torso or have shards of plastic in his skin.... Not Guilty
He had plastic embedded in this clothing, the car hit his arm, broke the glass he was holding, the one the government provided experts were convinced he threw at the taillight despite the base of it being found near his body. A shame they didn't look at all the evidence.
His injuries were not caused by a vehicle impact so I am very confused what is taking the jurors so long to say she is not guilty. Very disturbing
I’m afraid this will turn into another Casey Anthony verdict. A juror came out and said they thought the prosecution had to prove how Caylee died in order to find Casey guilty. He said if they had known that wasn’t the case, they all would have voted guilty. In this case, I’m afraid the jurors think the defense had to prove the coverup in order for them to vote not guilty. I don’t think they fully understand the directions. That only the prosecution had to prove their theory beyond reasonable doubt, not the defense. And that if they can’t prove beyond a doubt that he was hit by her car, they should all vote not guilty. Either they’re taking time trying to prove defense theory bcuz they think they hv to, or we have 1 juror being stubborn.
Because she is…
@@KariN-or3scnot being stubborn but standing by their convictions.
@@KariN-or3sc.
There's alot to go over and discuss.
It's not an open and shut case.
Everyone is impatient and thinks something is wrong.
A few days isn't a long time when the defendant is facing serious charges.
@@claireclaire0166stop trolling. You cannot overcome the best engineers and doctors in the world that confirmed he was never struck by a vehicle. You're embarrassing yourself with your lack of medicine and lack of physics
The fact that one juror had to catch a 4 o'clock bus as the reason to end the determination time, floored me.
Well I mean it's very dependent, say for example she/he has a medical appointment the fair enough, but if it wasn't something off utmost important then yes 3:40 finishing is crazy. They should be sat doing this till 8pm.
I was thinking graduation
I knew nothing about this case and watched this trial with an open mind and I'll say this, any one who thinks she's guilty is delusional.
Especially anyone who says that intentionally kept her car at 24mph to avoid triggering the collision avoidence system WHILE BEING PISS DRUNK AFTER 9 DRINKS. Anyone who watched this case and the poor prosecution thinks she's guilty is delusional.
On fresh snow to boot!!
unlikely
@@theroachden6195 Her defense fairytale is delusional. How anyone could believe that story is a head scratcher. What she said happened is impossible!
I was on a jury recently and was the only holdout 😭 I thought there was reasonable doubt and everyone else just wanted to go home and not come back. I don't think the others understood the threshold of reasonable doubt. I feel like they are talking about that. It took me so much time to educate them on what reasonable doubt means and they all hated me for keeping us there as they were missing work. The pressure was real but I wasn't going to find someone guilty when the case wasn't proven.
What was the eventual outcome?
@@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28there were multiple charges so it was a mix but not guilty on the ones I was holding out on. Honestly everyone just wanted to leave. I really felt like I was the only one who took it seriously and was willing to stay until the right decision was made. I was also the only person who took notes the whole time. It was really hard to stick to my guns as I do not do well with conflict and the jury was mostly men.
It is ok (even encouraged) to use common sense considering ‘reasonable’ doubt. Many crimes only have circumstantial evidence.
@@hollyvickers2497 so the jury was hung on those charges then?
This wouldn’t surprise me - good point
ER nurse almost 20 years Trauma doesn’t match. So if we don’t think she killed him with the vehicle she is “ not guilty” on all counts ?
That's how it should work, yes. All charges involve her hitting him with the Lexus.
My stepdad is nursing supervisor and he said the same thing.
Correct, the OUI charge is OUI with a hit and run. Obviously she was drunk yes but that’s not the charge here
I am a Forensic Nurse Examiner (trauma). These injuries are not consistent with a MVA. Just the lacerations on his arms are impossible to be caused by a tail light. Those are animal bites.
@@experienceofchris1108I’m glad he agrees. Does he also think she sounds a bit manic? And also think the whole thing is the typical shitshow with drunken trauma where the witnesses that should be able to tell who did what and covered up what can’t tell the real story cuz they were all too drunk? 🙄
I just don't understand how a reasonable person could believe she hit him with her car beyond a reasonable doubt. This is devastating
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that he wasn't hit by a vehicle. He would've had much more severe injuries. Even the ME for the CW couldn't come to that conclusion.
If this is hung or guilty I will have completely lost faith in the legal system in this country and think it needs an drastic overhaul.
I think we should start having a text in line to vote guilty or not guilty after streaming on lawtube. 😝
If it's a hung jury, it can be due to one or more stubborn people wanting to find Karen Read guilty and not necessarily a problem with the legal system. That's how our system works.
@@maryb6872I don't care about a hung jury, Lally prob won't prosecute again. I worry about her being found guilty on the lesser charge, because reasonable doubt is glaring.
It does.
If it’s a not guilty, men need to be concerned.
how can anyone listening to the evidence presented, come to any conclusion other than NOT GUILTY? Maybe not innocent, but surely not guilty, with evidence presented.
There's gotta be at least one juror who's a McAlbert plant.
Here's how:
Fact: Karen lied when she said she left him at the bar.
Karen lied when she left VM to John stating she was at her home.
Karen; (I believe aprox 5am), said "he's dead".
Karen's car, aprox 5am, headed towards the crime scene right before she said "he's dead".
Karen repeatedly stated "I hit him I hit him I hit him" (surprised CW didn't enter into evidence her attorney first stating she did it and was sorry it was an accident)
Karen is the only one in the car, while in back seat, that spots his body, in the dark, not street light, camouflaged under snow.
The other 2 in the car didn't even see him until she ran up to him. (and one of those witnesses DEFINITELY had no connection to the "conspiracy")
She was drunk
Data shows he never entered the house.
Her voicemails and children's testimony indicates she has issues and "all was not well in relationship".
Missing video from John's ring camera during crucial times. (definitely indicating cover up)
Her "over acting" on the crime scene, classic of guilty people. Especially women criminals.
And then during trial NEVER a tear, not even remotely close. In fact she laughs.
If you can't see through this OJ style defense then you have a closed mind.
And coincidentally; the prosecution was not very good, just like the OJ trial. She might just get away with murder like him.
AGREED
@@AliceBowie There may be one or more jurors incapable of that kind of reasoning.
Right! Case is drenched in reasonable doubt.
I am so surprised it’s taking this long. Especially with the last two witnesses by the defense. That was an outside source!
I was a literal juror when it came to this case- I read, researched, listened to, and saw nothing but what the jury did and I came to not guilty so quickly- I wouldn’t be able to be swayed, convinced or peer pressured to think any different. I would have died on that hill and stayed 100 days and 100 nights to fight for it.
I avoided this case and actually didn't even watch the opening statements, but watched everything after that. I knew essentially nothing at that point. I am at a solid guilty verdict. Part of my thought process was watching one of the lawtube lawyers covering this trial and hearing her interjections and faulty reasoning, hearing the way she manipulated and twisted the testimony we all just watched to spin it in favor of KR and I realized I was watching a cult form in front of my eyes, but besides that, manslaughter has been proven.
@@richardw3052the science convinced me not guilty and Jen is a horrible bitch who obviously is involved in someway. Prosecutions case was a high school drama class and defense was an actual case. There's zero proof he was hit by a car. So if she's guilty she hit him in the head with a bat or something.
@@richardw3052How? The independent experts said he was not hit by a car. Even the CW’s Medical examiner stated that his injuries were not typical to those of a car impact.
@@richardw3052 I hope you're never on a jury.
I was in exactly the same position, and agree, it has to be not guilty purely because the injuries were clearly not caused by being hit by a car. I don’t know what happened or by whom, but it wasn’t a car!
That’s probably why Alberts and McCabe showed up that day to give to give a sign to one of the jurors maybe somebody knows them
Notice how they haven’t been there during all the call backs? I think it was an intimidation tactic at this point.
Seems to be the most reasonable explanation
No. They showed up for closing arguments to honor their friend, John O’Keefe. They did nothing to him.
@@barbaramay1866are YOU a friend of these dirty cops??? You seem to the only person saying this nonsense??
@@TararyzeMcg I don't know anybody. There are no dirty cops here! Jackson wants you to believe that these men who all have pristine records and have dedicated their lives to public service all lost their morals and integrity and reasoning by beating their gentle friend to death and covering it up. Karen Read is evil. She is FOS. She has destroyed the lives of the people who were there for her in the middle of a blizzard, and their other family members and their children! Why does anyone believe her? Why do people believe her insane story? Why do people think 50 witnesses are lying against 1 defendant? The people she's blaming were normal, good citizens, all working in different fields, all involved in their community. She is a terrible woman. She did this to them.,
No way het was hit by a car. No Brusing or broken bones. Period. Nuff said.
He did have injuries below the head but Chloe’s bite marks don’t count
Blunt force trauma caused multiple skull fractures resulting in hemorrhaging of the brain. The blunt force trauma was getting hit by a 7000 pound SUV that backed into him at 23 mph. That is what happened.
Chloe is innocent.😇
There is so much disagreement in this case that can only mean reasonable doubt.
If I was on a jury and I thought/believed the person was not guilty, i would NEVER vote guilty just because the rest of the jurors wanted me to. I could never do that, there is no compromise on that part for me.
This is a good point. Everyone is focusing on there being 1 guilty juror that the other jurors might compromise with.
But there’s very likely 1 or probably more NG jurors who won’t compromise on a guilty verdict.
I would be like you. I wouldn’t convict her of jaywalking if I thought the prosecution didn’t prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.
Sadly that’s really common. If the majority think one thing or they just wanna be done they agree to it and get mad at the others who don’t and the time spent is convincing them to at least do one of the guilty verdicts.. I have seen it. It’s like they go in thinking guilty bc they wouldn’t be here if they weren’t which isn’t true and is very scary.
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More likely someone who has problems with critical thinking. So frustrating
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Or 1 person who is evil or corrupt.
I will be interested to see/hear jurors opinions when they find out about the federal investigation after the fact….
Wasn't it brought up a few times though? Plus the FBI experts are a little hint
Nope, Bev stated they were not allowed to mention that specifically which is odd since their investigation is specifically about this case.@RichardZabielski-ql9ss
@@RichardZabielski-ql9ssno, it was not allowed in court. The closest thing that was said was the two defense experts were hired by an outside, 3rd party agency.
Same
No it's too prejudicial @@RichardZabielski-ql9ss
After seeing that Canton town meeting with an Albert on the board and the towns people complaining about the corrupt cops , good chance someone on jury is dirty.
Bingo - I saw that too, and I agree
The jury were drawn from the county not Canton, but I agree with you someone might be dirty. Albert would of seen who was on the jury and pulled strings.
Or the Sandra Birchmore case!
Paranoid much? lol. You do realize that the defense approved all of the jury members.
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One police officer (newly retired) is a juror - this is an issue !!
Well he should be outraged at the investigation into a fellow cop's murder.
Hi. Do you know what department the officer worked for?
WHAT ??? Ohhh nooo that’s JUST WRONG!!!! From Canton???
@@TararyzeMcg I agree. Where’s Peter???? Kidding. Family comes first but I can’t wait to hear his opinion!!!
If I was a defendant I would not want an ex-cop on the jury, and members of my immediate family were police officers.
I don't know how people think she hit him. It's INSANE to me!
To be fair, she thought she did. In the beginning, she didn't remember what had happened.
The fact there is no bruising is case closed for me
I don’t know how people think she didn’t hit him.
It’s so obvious she’s guilty.
@@DL-cs6fzwhat about lack of bruising? And those cuts didn’t come from a tail light.
Also watching some video's from the following morning and there were marks in the snow leading from the gate (backyard) to where his body was found.
If they think she hit him with her car, then i have no faith in this jury.
I’m wondering if the “fix”’is in, with this being a small town. I sure hope not.
It's gonna be one maybe two max haters that are on the jury saying SHES GUILTY and I'm not changing my mind!!
@@greeneyedsoutherngirl6468same….
Think? Can you say beyond a reasonable doubt.
But if she didn’t, that means they must believe that countless people have lied on the stand. It means there has been a massive cover up. That would be extremely difficult for all jury members to agree on.
There is one question before the jury: Has the CW proven beyond a reasonable doubt that John was killed by being struck by Karen's car?
There seems to be doubt about being struck. Way too much doubt.
Ya but if they come to the conclusion that she did strike him with her car, they have a few other things to figure out.
They are probably squabbling about involuntary or voluntary manslaughter.
There's a really big chance we get a NG on the Murder & Hung jury on the rest.
And I don't think the Commonwealth will bring charges again and want to go through all this embarrassment again.
I live 2 towns away from Canton & the Commonwealth does not want to go through this a second time. They don't want the front page of the Boston Herald & Globe being about the "possible, corruption of their state police. They don't want the negative press they've been getting.
So I think a hung jury is just as good as an acquittal in this case. Normally I would say a hung jury is bad for the defendant but in her case I don't think it is due to the state not wanting to go through all this negativity again.
There is more than doubt, there is clear evidence using engineering, physics, science, and medicine to show that he was never struck by a vehicle. I just pray that the jury is going through every single piece of evidence and discussing it with each other like we have had the benefit to discuss with each other for over a month the jury has not had that benefit. Hopefully we will get a quick Not Guilty by Monday
These jurors must be mentally challenged. Easy not guilty
Definitely reasonable doubt of being struck by a car.
The last two witnesses said it was not a possibility… this is so crazy….
If I were on that jury and I was adamant that she was not guilty, I would not change my mind no matter what.
THOSE ARE DOG BITES ON HIS ARM!! There was an interaction in the house, the dog protected its owner. He was dumped outside to freeze to death. This case drives me nuts.
You have no idea he was in the house anymore than he wasn't. Unless you were on Fairview Rd on Jan 29, 2022
There’s literally no proof he ever steeped foot inside. I think it’s more likely he got out of the car to take a piss like men do and he fell or got hit and that’s where he stayed.
Definitely, those perfectly aligned grooves are not dog bites .
Dog scratches?
Oh a ninja dog…. Left not a hair or dna…. Crazy!!
How could anyone believe she hit him after Lally’s case?
Mmm…maybe because she said it…?
@@claireclaire0166
People lie all the time and just because JEN said it doesn’t mean it’s TRUE 🤷🏻♀️
@@claireclaire0166 except nobody recorded this at the time. Weird.
@@claireclaire0166what and jen remembers this months later after the authorities are pointing to thr mcalberts?.
She was also on John’s home WiFi while is phone was still active at Fairview. Something seems off if the jury is struggling.
I honestly thought they would reach a verdict today. I’m stunned! I really hope the jury pool isn’t corrupt!
Poor Karen. She shouldn't be enduring any of this this.
Even when her own father said she hit something before she changed her story and came up with massive cover up defense.
I feel sorry for JOK's family and all the people who's lives are being destroyed by this insane media cover up campaign.
@@user-jx1fg8kq2byeah right
@@user-jx1fg8kq2b she hit John's car
@@user-jx1fg8kq2bI feel for them too. They have 2 years possibly hating the wrong killer.
The defence proved a car didn’t hit OJO, not guilty, end of trial.
Did they? By the glass cannon? lol..discount the DNA and the cars computer? Not a chance…their opinion is NOT A FACT…it was proven she hit him..car computer showed rear collision at 27 mph..DNA IN the housing?? Good gawd man get out of her butt,
@@PEBBLEZ21dna was NOT in the housing! Go back and listen to the testimony!
Right
@@lisag.6061 DNA absolutely was and the mitochondrial hair that was stuck to the vehicle. She hit him.
Look MVA’s are NEVER an exact science..trooper Paul has RESPONDED to many many heinous accidents..he may have been nervous and not known every answer but he got it the most right…I HATE YOU she screamed into the phone..why, wake up.
I’m getting nervous for Karen Read for sure.
Ya, me, too. Rumor is one juror has been acting weird the whole trial. I keep thinking there are 11 people trying to argue with someone who had their mind uo before Day 1 of the trial started. I hope if it's a mistrial, the FBI will use what they know along witness statements from the stand to indict these crooked cops.
Nervous for the drunken raving lunatic who recorded psycho messages the day of the incident. What is wrong with people. Read is a disgraceful human being.
I thought there would be a verdict already. It’s pretty obvious that she didn’t hit him
I only listened to the trial. I never heard any outside information before deliberations started and I would’ve voted innocent immediately. This is scary. It’s scary that it could be this easy to put an innocent person in prison. That 12 ppl could say guilty based on easily visible lies.
You are totally right. Seems like some people think if your on trail than your automatically guilty. It's awful. 😅
@@user-hy6qh4gb4j Yes, I was thinking about it more last night and I think that juries feel that the burden of proof is on defense. They assume if you've been charged, there must be a good reason, so if we're going to find you innocent, we better have a good reason. When the opposite is the truth. If we're going to find you guilty, we must have a good reason. It's backwards. The jury feels like they're going against something powerful if they don't find a defendant guilty.
It’s terrifying…I’ve gone to federal prison when even the judge didn’t want to sentence me to prison…your whole outlook on reality changes when you realize how easy your freedom can be taken…I had to plead because they would’ve buried me.
Peter, I don’t have an issue having someone thinking that Karen Read is guilty. I do have an issue that the persons who feel that way cannot come up with an explanation that makes sense. Also, those same individuals sound so self-righteous. Someone in the chat said something to the effect that because Karen was drunk, she must be guilty. I hope that the person who said that, never ends up being a juror.
Agree wholeheartedly. Disturbed by people convicting her on their feelings not facts. Doesn't matter if she is a terrible person. She did not hit him with her car. Fact.
Or that they themselves are caught drunk behind the wheel
I had someone say I was acting superior to them… because I simply stated that the non-bias parties (2 deconstructionists hired by FBI and states ME) said that the injuries are not consistent with being hit by a car. Literally just using facts from the case.
I gave up arguing with those people, you can’t fix stupid
You are 1,000% correct. In my humble opinion, I believe KR is not just not guilty, but that she’s actually innocent. I understand that the CW did not prove its case which makes KR at worst not guilty. My point is that I understand that at times KR may have come across as not likeable. However, that is not a valid reason to not find her not guilty. Neither is to try to justify (talk about irony) finding KR guilty because there is a dead police officer and JOK’s family deserves justice. I’m certain that the hold-out jurors know that the CW is not going to charge their own witnesses (at least two of the CW’s own witnesses were directly involved in JOK’s murder) with his murder. Can you imagine the mess they would have to clean up by charging several witnesses with perjury, then charging some of them with covering up the murder and then actual murder charges. So sorry for getting carried away. Mad props to you for standing firmly in your square. It is truly sad that there are people blind to the facts and for one reason or other, they choose to think that way. They have no critical thinking skills. What is also sad, this goes a lot deeper than just a matter of differences of opinion. The people that you described are the reason why our society continues to deteriate. I’m referring to people that are considered normal and are supposed to be able to think for themselves.
There may be a /juror/jurors intimated by the Alberts coming to court and seeing them sit and look at them…
I have been thinking this the entire trial. I would forever believe that Mc-Albert’s have at least one person on this jury. I don’t see any other reason based on their behaviors I’ve seen. They seem too comfortable that it will go their way. Also the Mc-Albert’s sitting and staring and the O’keef’s sitting across from the jury staring at them seems intentionally done the last day of court and throughout the trial.
How about stop asking the jury and tell them they are staying until 5pm and starting at 8am.
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Agree! Judge is way too lenient
No, we don't want people bending just because they don't want to stay for 9 hours a day. During deliberations, they don't get to leave for lunch. I'd rather have a hung jury than a guilty outcome, even on the least harsh count, because she isn't guilty, not of what they charged her of anyway.
True good point
Thinking there is a friend/colleague/business partner of one of the McAlberts. . . Or someone on the jury feels intimidated by the stares of the McAlberts, especially Brian A? The reasonable doubt is so high!!
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I want to hear from dismissed jurors!
Oh yes.
That would be interesting
I only know of one female juror who got kicked out because she did not like when Karen was smiling ! FOR REAL ? No wonder you have tons of innocent people locked up. Get rid of jurys and leave it up to professional judges instead. Worst investigation Ive ever come over. Not only the things Proctor did but all the things he did not do. As securing that house to begin with.
I'd be scared of the cops if I was a juror and spoke out.
@@espencarlsenwhere can that be fact checked?
How do we know the prosecution didn’t get to one or two jurors. They all know everyone and I do not trust that all 12 are not corrupt!!! It’s too obvious NOT GUILTY!!!
I've been thinking the same
Especially with the McAlberts staring at them
Are they ONLY Canton residents?
@@mikepetrozelli7206no
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No, not necessarily. They are most likely from surrounding cities and towns.
I’ve been a juror several times. We didn’t vote right away. One was extended because we wanted to be sure all the jurors felt very comfortable with our decisions on each count.
I really appreciate that you took the time to post this, Peter. I’ve been nervous and invested in the outcome for Karen. I’ve watched the trial every day and it feels so challenging to have days of complete silence while we wait. Thank you.
Was on a jury. Malpractice. Everyone said not guilty right away but one. The juror felt bad for the family and wanted a guilty charge. Took awhile going through the evidence before she got it. We all felt bad but felt the MD did everything in his power. So I can see here how hard defining everything.
Malpractice is civil. There is no guilty or not guilty....
What is the jury thinking! This is a not guilty all day long.
Yasss
Apparently not.
@@jq2147 i wonder how many deceenters there are in the jury. This case has not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I have my own doubts in relation to karen read but nowhere near enough to convict her.
The answer is no, the vehicle did not cause the injuries, according to three experts. Ergo, not guilty.
Actually, five experts said that his injuries were not (likely) caused by the vehicle…
@@soude85 1) second medical examiner at end the retired woman ER ph2) reconstruction expert last day 3) reconstruction expert last day
Who else? I haven’t been able to watch every day lol. 4) ? 5) ?
This is hilarious!!!! Experts are often wrong. I mean, many times experts on both sides have opposite views. Jurors can disbelieve all of one side’s expert testimony.
@@David.Gaugamela the commonwealth’s own medical examiner said she couldn’t definitely say John’s injuries were caused by a vehicular accident
@@courtneylegaloff3851 when the prosecutors on experts say that it can possibly be one of several possibilities it is by default not proven beyond reasonable doubt.
If the jury is hung, the CW should drop this dog off a case. Will they? Absolutely not. We can only hope the FBI investigation comes to a point that the important figures in this case are brought up on charges.
Why doesn’t the FBI tell us who they think it is
If there is a mistrial she should absolutely tried again. Why should she get away with murder?
If I was on this jury & the only 1 saying innocent I wouldn’t back down to the other jurors. I wouldn’t be able to live w/myself!!
Same same
In this case.. me too
Either the jurors are being extra meticulous and going through all the evidence that they have just to be extremely thorough and it was a very long case. Or, the vast majority know she is not guilty and there is one hold out and the rest of the jury members are working to convince that hold out that they are nuts and that no vehicle struck John which is the truth. I pray that we get a resounding Not Guilty by Friday or Monday
Thats what Im afraid of when it comes to American trials in general. The jury. They are probably dead tired and exhausted by now,......And that in itself is a "dangerous" venue to take right there. Norway out at 2:30 a.m
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This judge is so obviously biased. Her disposition is horrible. She is extremely disrespectful. IMO
I agree with that. Asking karen read is there something funny? Was inappropriate. I know the jury wasnt present but it shows how she feels.
She literally makes my blood boil when I watch or listen to her. Everything about her oozes favoritism towards the common wealth. The way she sighs and speaks is so disrespectful
She was annoying, but she allowed 3 defense witnesses in at last min in trial.. I have watched many trials and have never seen another judge do that so late in.
Sack this judge. Prejudice all the way.
She stinks, bad
Colin and all the corrupt need to go to prison! Imo
It's been 14 hours of deliberations. Honestly, that is not very long at all. Twelve strangers are trying to sift through the insanity they've heard over the past ten weeks.
Agree a 💯
Exactly. All these armchair quarterbacks think this is a one hour CSI show.
@@jq2147 I feel like Romans at the gladiator games. Just entertainment.
Lives are at stake and the jury has to sleep with their conscience for the rest of their lives.
Elisa Lam case taught me to take the internet’s opinion with a pinch of salt. 🤦🏽♀️
It boils down to one question really - was John hit by a vehicle.
I don’t think that’s what they Are Stuck on. I think Peter is proceeding with caution because he knows what his followers believe.
@@mauiswift6391what are they stuck on?
@@mauiswift6391I think that Peter’s critical thinking is informed by science and physics, even though this makes him unpopular with some members.
Was she even there? Not one witness placed her there. Best we had is RN saying he saw a woman in a vehicle outside. Why won’t he just say it was her?
What if they are afraid of backlash regardless of verdict?
Im sure they are... which is really unfortunate.
I am seriously concerned about that especially guilty on lesser charge.
I think either way they will get backlash it doesn’t matter
@@KKonUA-camthis point exactly. What’s happening outside of the Court needs to stop.
I bet there is that ONE person in the jury with no common sense.
Or has connection with police
Karen is NOT Guilty!It’s up to the Prosecution and FBI to find out what really happened to victim not the jury!
I think the FBI investigation isn't about the death of John; I think it's about the investigation itself.
If you know about this case and use your common sense, you will see the light. Everything points to her guilt. Nothing at all has been proven to support her absurd story.
@@barbaramay1866 no it doesn’t! Not one thing points to her guilt but you know what, the only thing that matters is, was a car involved? Actual experts, not troopah paul, testified that it was not a car that caused those injuries and there was no way a car could have caused those injuries as the prosecution is claiming. So, the CW didn’t prove their case, I mean most of the crap they were spinning was disproven but the car and JO’s injuries are the only things that matter in terms of the verdict!
Do you really think policemen from 3-4 agencies would band together to protect a cop killer AND frame an innocent woman?
@@stevewenc7362 It sounds absurd because it IS absurd. Could it be that she has pretty teeth and people just want to believe she's innocent for no other reason?
The smoking gun that proves innocence is the video of Karen Read backing into JO's car and then leaving to go look for him. That tail light is basically completely intact yet the CW says the entire light was basically busted out with plastic pieces everywhere at the crime scene. How do people look at that light and think anything other than a frame job?
Look closer...the red bleeds over..
@@user-jx1fg8kq2b LOL. Don't believe my lying eyes, huh? Gtfo here.
She didn’t even flinch. That was staged. You should see the rear lx vs the traverse. It would Neva hit the taillight
We all watched the same trial. The expert witnesses said his injuries were not caused by a motor vehicle. All else is meaningless. There is more than likely a juror who is steadfastly sticking to guilty despite the evidence. A plant
A juror like that wouldn't even need to be a plant there are plenty of idiots in society
What did the medical examiner say?
@@GH-oi2jfThe prosecutions own medical examiner didn’t even agree with their version of events. How embarrassing.
@@GH-oi2jfthe MO said cause of death is undetermined. 💥 plus she agreed that the arm could have been done by a dog. Which it clearly was.
Definitely SOMEONE on the jury is being intimidated by the MCCABES and Alberts .
This should be a lesson to the police to do a proper investigation.
If the 1 holdout juror is the one Bev handpicked as the foreperson then there needs to be an outrage
Will you stop with the conspiracies.
No. If it was the first bit of impropriety on her part then fine. But it’s like the 500th irregularity from her, and they keep coming, the bs jury slip being the latest.
How could any juror ignore the defences exemplary expert witnesses? The state had any experts woth even considering.
We have a case here in Stoughton, Massachusetts, the neighboring town of Canton, Massachusetts involving many of the same cops in the KR case. Young girl groomed by the cops committed suicide or so they said. With the FBI investigation on KR they uncovered information and are declaring her case a homicide!!!
I saw this! So crazy….
How sad it is - it took public scrutiny for a FBI investigation into Sandra Birchmore's death 😢
What’s her name??? This should be COVERED!!!
@@TararyzeMcg Sandra Birchmore
@@TararyzeMcg No!!! I can't take any more!!!
I started the trial thinking the most logical explanation was that Karen mistakenly backed up
over John. The defense convinced me she did not.
The defense brought to light the fallacies
in the state’s case and had such good experts. Not guilty!
I initially thought same, she backed up to leave and had no idea. In the end she was a poor dd selection, whether she hit him or
not, !00% resonable to doubt.
If a prosecution cannot prove guilt to all 12 jurors, then the case should be over. Prosecution should not be able to try again.
If that's the case then it is over.
Why should she get away with killing a man just because one or two people fell into her little cult of supporters?
Yeah... But the judge commanded them to go thru every piece of evidence. Poor souls are probably reviewing every single piece of testimony....
50 hours of Lolly searching for papers.
If they have to go through all of Lalleys evidence they are all sleeping during deliberation.
Oh wow. I missed that part. If that is the case then the delay makes a lot more sense.
They only have access to the physical evidence
No they’re not lol
But LYK they have no proof of any of this. 🤷🏻♀️there was no accident
Kyle’s Rittenhouse jury took 4 days before the not guilty verdict
That one was definitely an easier nit guilty than this one .
@bobthetitanic I don't think so.
@@mariee.5912that was highly charged and scary to think they’d get it wrong!
I started the Rittenhouse as definitely guilty...first time I watched a trial gavel to gavel knowing about as much as the States opening. I was as antsy as I am now for a NG by the end.
I just heard that too a major media outlet reported that one juror came out smiling and the others all had their head down as if they had a very long day. That is terrifying. One compromised oh my goodness please Lord don't let this be true
I honestly think there is only one or two people on that jury which is why it is not guilty yet.
You have no idea how many are thinking what.
I agree, my money says 2 men.
agree two tops. Likely 1 plant.
@@carrollherzog3313 I would never discount that it is a woman, and I say this as a woman.
I’m thinking they don’t all truly understand what reasonable doubt means. It seems common sense to us because we follow these things. They need to realize even if one thing is slightly suspicious, that’s doubt and not guilty.
But how can they say she hit him when he has not 1 single bruise from the neck down!
I ve been a juror on a case that took 4 days to come to a verdict . 2 of us were on the non guilty side . Then there was only myself . A lot of pressure was put on and I flipped . Still regret it
The doxxing of dr Woolfe started with Jennifer Coffindaffer. As an ex fbi agent I find this totally deplorable, she didn't even blur out kids faces. This woman should be jail for inciting hate.
Is the fbi really not going to protect their own witnesses? Anyone else would get a nice visit, wonder if she’s not really retired or is an intel asset.
@@The_10th_Man she's not an asset to anything to anyone.
I’m absolutely done with the justice system this jury is the stupidest. And wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a plant juror
Same
Wow!! now the jury is in on it.
It's a small town. I wonder if there are some who are friends with LE and will just side with their version no matter what.
Or someone who is not looking at the evidence but is maybe dislikes Karen’s mannerismorvget sweet nervous smile Someone who clearly not fair minded abt the real evidence
I agree
I can't believe that anyone thinks there's "beyond reasonable doubt" that she hit him with her car. Unbelievable.
truly unbelievable
They don’t need to figure who in the house did it tho . Where’s the not guilty verdict
I am so glad I don’t have to make a decision in this. I just feel bad for John’s family. I don’t think anyone will ever know what really happened except those responsible.
The #1 question is, "where is Chloe?"
IMO, I think she crossed the rainbow bridge, unfortunately. 😢
With the concrete from the basement floor, I worry
At the bottom of the pool that they filled in 🥴
They got rid of Chloe the same day. She was settled with someone in Vermont.
@@johnmorgun9961the same day? It was a few months later
She absolutely did not hit him with her car. That is not even the issue.. cause there is an abundance of reasonable doubt.
Except the car computer and DNA said she did..I HATE YOU??? Right after? She is guilty.
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It does not. And you can't ignore the purposely inverter video. Crooked cops falsified stuff and the FBI who is investigating the crooked , looking for nudes cops were very clear on what the evidence shows.
@PEBBLEZ21 the video showing her leaving JO's house that morning proves the light was not busted out. You can literally see the entire light is intact and only cracked at most. The CW says the entire light was basically shattered. Look at the video. You can literally see the CW lied and KR was framed.
@@PEBBLEZ21there was no dna on the car from John! WTH are you babbling on about?
@@OneBadAssMoMothere was DNA all over the car, which is to be expected from a shared vehicles.
Whats more telling is there was absolutely no DNA or blood on or inside the tailight, despite is supposedly having shredded the victims arm
Only thing she could be found guilty of is DUI…
IF they can prove that!!
I am still so shocked that people that think KR is guilty will use the prosecutions witness statements as fodder for their arguments but ignore that there is hard proof that most of those statements changed overtime, they had a biased lead investigator who did not follow standard protocal in any aspect of the investigation and what I thought was common sense that if a 7300 pound vehicle hits a person hard enough to obliterate the taillight and project a person 30 feet there is going to be damage to the body. I remember getting tackled by my brother when I was little and he probably weighed about 7200 pounds less than the Lexus but I always had bruises.
Thank you for taking time out of your vacation with your family to keep us all up to date. Peace be with you and your family ❤.
If the jury is deliberating anything like many of the commenters on these videos that get bogged down with lesser relevant details. As Peter mentioned, the key question is did she hit him with her car? Answer that and you have your answer. In my opinion that's not guilty. If you believe she did, then you'd have to believe she hit just his arm, at 24mph, that didn't break it or left any bruises, just linear scratches and punctures. Then he did a pirouette and was launched 30ft while still holding his glass.
Yep and broke all the laws of physics. But people do seem to get lost in the details
@@alanasbaby7The last two witnesses were the objective & highly educated, experienced professionals-. No way can you even get to an accident!! What’s taking so long???
One of my students will be graduating from law after one more semester. I’ve encouraged Carmela to subscribe to your podcast as you are very knowledgeable. 🇨🇦
Consider how much time all of us have had to hash out and ponder this case and rewatch and rewatch and rewatch and they are just now getting to talk about it
Wonderful point!!!!
So much reasonable doubt.It's sad that it's taken so long
Sympathy should play no part in the jorors' decision.
Thank you for taking your time out on your vacation or from your family! You could never look bad in my eyes ☺️
I don’t think jurors get the whole “reasonable doubt “ concept….they think they have to make it fit. There’s tons of reasonable doubt in this case…that should be the end of it…period
I am shocked. I have a bad feeling about the verdict.
This is the most outrageous bs case I've ever seen in my lifetime
And I was an adult who watched the OJ trial FFS 🙄
Right?!
I was on federal jury duty in Feb for a case that had 13 days of testimony. The minute we were sent to the deliberation room, everything became complicated. You learn that no one sees things the same. It was fascinating the different perspectives people have. We deliberated for 4 days on 7 counts. Two of which we had unanimously decided within 1/2 day. We ended up hung on 1 count after we told the judge we could be there for months & it wasn’t changing. People were “that” set in their decision. My point in this, is that while it looks like an easy decision for many of us, and that includes myself, every little word in that deliberation room carries immense weight & can change the whole meaning of a charge. Fingers crossed for a verdict tomro! #Freekarenread #juisticeforjohnokeefe
Yes, great comment. When I was on a jury I was the only holdout during a trial. I had listened very carefully during trial and took as many notes as I could. However, I was the only one to vote not guilty every time we did a jury count. None of the jurors words or explanations were convincing me to change my mind so that we could come to a unanimous decision. Then one day the foreman who happened to have a photographic memory in addition to excellent drawing, engineering and mathematic skills stood up and went over to the chalkboard in front of everyone to try to explain their reasonings to me visually by drawing certain aspects and scenes of the case on the chalkboard. It annoyed me at first as everyone's eyes were focused on me and I did feel pressured that he was putting me on the spot like that. But eventually by being able to see things explained visually like that I was able to see I was wrong and could humble myself enough to admit it and change my vote to Guilty. I agree with your comment so much because it's so true everything is very different when you're in the deliberation room. We as people are different ourselves such as in the way we absorb information and think like with my situation some of us are just more visual than others. Also we all communicate differently so we all have to get comfortable with each other and find that common ground to be able to work from. It has been such a long time since I was on a jury. I really hope I can do it again some day. Even though it wasn't easy I really liked being a part of the process. But now this trial is a whole other story lol.
How can KR be charged with JO’s death when the ME couldn’t determine his cause of death?
They don’t want to go back to work until Monday!
Haha, I was thinking that earlier.
My question is can you discuss other things in the jury chamber besides the case.
I definitely had this thought. My employer pays us our regular pay if we're on jury duty, so I would not be in any hurry to bring a verdict.
That's my thought, too! I mean, they aren't supposed to know what a media circus this has turned in to.
Has anyone else tried to reverse your car at 24 mph? It's impossible. I got up to 16 mph before i was not in control. Now, the road is curbed, and it is snowing and dark. I can not see that as a possibility
So the car data a lie now too..Everyone lying except for KR..🤦🏼♀️
@@user-jx1fg8kq2b you realize the car data is based on wheel rotation not GPS or actual distance. Have you ever slid on the snow?
Be careful.
The information came from the car's "black box."
@@kirstenscanineconcepts8900did Jackson bring that up on cross? I hope so
Thank you, Peter! 👍🏽 A watched pot never boils.
Love itx
I agree some think she is guilty some not guilty. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Enjoy your vacation. You
Deserve
What about safety of the jury- if the families are that powerful and these are peers, would they be worried about repercussions if they were on a unanimous jury acknowledging conspiracy?
Thank you for taking the time to do this breakdown. Have a great vacation.
I thought she was guilty early on when watching the news but the trial absolutely changed my mind. There was no evidence. No conviction.