I believe the only reason the jury is struggling is due to the fact that the judge seems to have gone out of her way to make the jury confused not with the facts or evidence but the jury instructions and convoluted charges. I 100% blame the judge
Totally agree. She deliberately confused them with her crazy convoluted end speech. Shes so for a guilty vote and knows the people involved. She’s a disgrace.
As someone who started watching this with 0 knowledge of the case, I do not see how ANYONE could find her guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. This is so crazy to me!
Same here! Did they watch the same trial that we did? It seems this community is pro cop and they all drink together know ea other etc I’m pro law enforcement myself but these cops were off the chain and had zero credibility
It's obvious one or more of the jury is working with the Alberts. There needs to be better protection for the juries infact the jurors should be a mirrored glass like a police station so no one in the court room can know their identies... So that our justice system can do a fair trial. It's so easy to identify a jury in the court room if you have seen their faces. The Albert clan research and persuaded the jurors..... This is BS our justice system needs to disguised our jury
I was on a jury once (armed robbery) many years ago. I was able to help jurors come to a non-guilty verdict by explaining what reasonable doubt is (the suspect had a brother who resembled him. And no video footage or any evidence other than the victims testimony). It is very interesting and important to serve on a jury and hope you all get to experience it once in your life. I feel Karen Read is completely innocent as it was proven no injuries were caused by a vehicle. Love watching and learning from. Peter! Love LYK channel!!!
I am from Massachusetts. If they do not let this jury be hung, then Canoni should pay for any additional cost out of her own salary, which she has earned with diligence, but not with competence. DA needs to be repealed or revoked or whatever. entire process was a complete fraud and a waste of taxpayer money…
@@NewEngland721 are you talking about the defense or jury deliberations??? If they were listening to this super confusing case that CW put forward not knowing anything beforehand…..which seems so strange to me as I’m in Australia and even I heard about it …before the trial. CW they put on so many crappy experts IMO, Defense only had a 3-4 days but they proved without a doubt in that short time there was no way KR hit him, let alone killed him, than CW with soooooo many witnesses that gave conflicting and very suspicious testimony, let alone the crappy LE investigation to prove her guilty. The defense proved it in no time after all the rambling of CW. That judge “Bev” was a nightmare constantly sighing, she clearly didn’t want to be there. I am dumbfounded how any sane logical person can call her guilty. Someone is feeling threatened or is siding with the cops/Alberts/McCabes holding out saying guilty. A lot of jurors make up their minds by the end of the trial before deliberations….well at least have a very good idea of where they stand on G/NG. I say that after hearing numerous jurors on different trial, some on even more complex cases and much longer cases than this. They came back with a verdict very quickly. I think the instructions probably confused them to start with, but from what we hear one person holding out, probably saying guilty …….mmmm I truly don’t comprehend how anyone can if they listened to this trial. …..
Honest question - no trolls please. For all the folks who believe Karen Read is guilty - what do you make of the ARCA experts the defense brought forward compared to Trooper Paul?
DID YOU CATCH THAT THE JURY INSTRUCTIONS WERE ACCUSING KAREN READ OF BEATING JOHN OKEEFE TO DEATH? AFTER HE REALIZES THE TAIL LIGHT KILLING HIM IS NOT GOING TO WORK HE ACCUSES HER AFTER NOT ONLY NOT PRESENTING ANY EVIDENCE SHE BEAT HIM, AND ARGUED WITH ANYONE SUGGESTING HE WAS BEATEN INSTEAD OF KILLED BY THE CAR, HE PRESENTS IN THE 2ND DEGREE MURDER CHARGE SHE BEAT HIM TO DEATH!!! LIKE WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THAT? I JUST DID A VIDEO OF THE INSTRUCTION TO JURY SAYING THAT NO WONDER THEY ARE CONFUSED!
Such a huge issue for public policy if she’s found not guilty. There might be a reevaluation of past cases that have been handled by the same officers leading to appeals and reviews
Once the Feds came in and conducted their own investigation and got the results of the reconstruction tests and such, I don’t understand how they were even allowed to move forward with taking this case to trial. The federal investigation lead to findings showing it is impossible that John was struck by Karen’s car - case over!!! I don’t understand how ANYONE can hear the evidence that was presented and conclude that she’s guilty. UNLESS - someone on the jury is ‘friendly’ with the McAlberts and is refusing to acquit her. I said that once jury selection began. How can the attorneys really truly KNOW for certain that the potential jurors are being 100% honest when answering questions about whether or not they know the any of the McCabe’s or Albert’s or any of the pertinent witnesses???? How can they ever really KNOW!?!? Just like Proctor when he was asked, under oath, at the state grand jury - being a sworn officer - whether or he KNEW or had a RELATIONSHIP with anyone of the McCabe’s or any of the Albert’s. He got up there and lied to everyone in that courtroom!! Who’s to say one of these jurors didn’t do the exact same thing???
Watching from Australia. I can only imagine how hard it is for the jurors as they only have their notes & evidence. Not what we have had, people like you & others on you tube breaking down what is being said & done in court. Personally, I think Bev might know the foreperson. Can’t believe anyone in that jury thinks she is guilty of anything, so someone is on the Abbots or police side. Can’t wait to hear what jurors have to say when this is all over. Love your work LYK 🙌🏻🙌🏻
There was never a case to start with. It's pretty clear there are some complicit members of the jury, and there aren't having their way. Worst, the judge caused this problem with her ambiguous jury instructions!
My heart just breaks over and over for Officer John O'Keefe's family. I cannot even imagine what they must be going through and thinking during this entire trial.
Thanks for doing this…my husband walks in the living room and says IT’S PETER! Shot 89 today? I almost coulda beat ya…but my slice is off the charts and can’t hit a pitching wedge for anything! 😂 You have got to come to Purdue…our Pete Dye courses are amazing! 😊
I spent 24 years in a squad car; went to college for a second career and got my degree as a Legal Assistant; interned with a District Court Judge as a paralegal law clerk so I have a lot of experience with lawyers and cops. I can't believe, after watching this trial from day one to day 32 that anyone on the jury can even think that Karen Read is guilty. There has to be a little old lady who says "A cop is dead and she has to pay!" and who refuses to hear common sense arguments. I think there could be some fear among the jurors because of the hatred that has held the town in it's tense debate over this death and that may well be the case here as well. I doubt that if they hang that the prosecution will go forward with another shot at KR.
This case needs to be outside of canton. The jury is obviously scared to say not guilty. This case is much bigger. 3 experts said he did not get hit by a vehicle. How can you be hung?
@@colleenfletcher2550 I don’t think so but I don’t feel like going back and rewatching the testimony, pretty sure even Bev said there wasn’t one when they asked for it. Either way it is what it is.
As a former Bostonian I am not surprised. Cops are it, for others cop's are not it. Very traditional State. Believe it will still believe hung jury, knowing my former state mates it will be hung. Boston traditional and modern. By the way I believe she is not guilty
I seen where the jurors, when it was time to go home today at their usual 3:30, asked if they could stay until 4:15, and she said yes! So, I think they are working through the nuances and will come to a verdict early next week! Fingers crossed!
Can the FBI investigation of the Canton PD and further lack of chain of custody come in more in depth if the CW wishes to retry the case? (if there is a hung jury)
She was drunk. She hit him and got scared. She started calling him as soon as she hit him hoping he was still alive. She called him 53 times. 53 times. She started her story and alibi as soon as she murdered him. Karen is guilty of murder in the 2nd degree.
If the jurors can't see reasonable doubt in this case something isn't right.The dog bites alone prove reasonable doubt.Injuries not caused by vehicle trauma..Something isn't right..This is so clear cut.I don't trust this process at all.
But you have to believe they are dog bites first. Really think about it, What is the likelihood they are dog bites and/or scratches. That’s just ridiculous. Honestly people.
I think what happens is sympathy for the family impacts the jury. They are seated directly across from the jury for 2 months and jury likely feeling great sympathy--as we all do. But they cannot feel it is wrong if they don't give the family what the family may perceive to be Justice. They need to keep telling themselves that a guilty verdict of a non guilty person is not justice. I hope that if there is a mistrial and then a retrial that the jurors are able to know about the federal investigation
Wow, Peter was full on reading all the SuperChat from 3:30am to 4:15pm. I wish I could stay up 2am - 4:30am my time! lol.. Even my question showed how sleepy I was! hahaha Thanks so much Peter! Have a wonderful vacation weekend! ⛳🏖🎉 Thanks John and Kelsey too! Have a great weekend! 🥳🫶
Karen is guilty of at least all the lesser charges. Not murder, but all the others. She was there, she was arguing with John, she left him, she said she hit him, she was still drunk, there is DNA match with tail light and hair that only matched John and his biological mother. No 20-30 people from emt, firefighter, police, friends are all going to conspire for this one woman, someone would talk and if it was a man in a fight, they could have claimed self defense when John was injured. Just because people have personal feelings of the witnesses, does not mean they commited a crime. John is 6'3" 200 lbs and in good shape and intoxicated. Drunk people usually don't get injured in a MVA, the sober one does. There is no dog dna.
Peter, As of 6/28 Judge granted the lawyer to withdraw from Sarah Boone’s case. They are now saying Sarah Boone is going Pro Se… 16 page order from the judge. The court stated defendant has forfeited her right to counsel.
Peter, grape Celsius is my favorite too! Most of them are too sweet for me. Thanks for everything! Such a sweetie. Have a wonderful vacation with your family! ⛱️🏝️🗺️
Well, at 3:45 jury asked to be able to deliberate until 4:15; judge said yes. Why such arbitrary time? Close? At 4:18 all back in court. No note/update from jury. Judge just told them you've been working hard. Go home and clear your heads and we'll see you Monday. Per Turtle guy (in courtroom) juror #7, upper middle aged woman, seen leaving red face /eyes, looking as if she had been crying. Maybe the one holdout...for guilty lesser.
I was an alternate in a murder trial in California and I had to sit silently through all the deliberation till the jury made a decision. You couldn't say a word or look at anyone. It was painful as the trial was long, the deliberation was long, and then at the decision the other alternates and I got kicked to the curb, no longer sat with the jury.
When I click on "subcribe" does that mean I "join"? I want to do so! Thank you for giving time for this on vacay....thank your wife and kids. I was married to a very busy man who worked for Ross Perot, so I'm familiar with vacation work calls. It was fine because it gave our children everything they needed and a wonderful education and also was a great example of a work ethic.
I think a lot of tv media personality are getting impatient. Its been 20 hours and 53 minutes (3 full days of deliberations). I wonder if after 19 hours the jury started to panic cause they didnt want to work thru the 4th of July holiday. Given how much material they have to go thru, I would think its safe to predict we may not get a verdict till after the 4th of July.
The jury instructions are impossible. I would go so far as to say unethical. It's almost as if the judge wants to confuse the jury as much as she can. Why would she do that?
This case is so convoluted, I don't think any jury will be able to come to a unanimous decision.it's the messiness for me! We don't even know how, when, or where JO was killed,Trooper Proctor is not credible. I'm embarrassed for Procter, and he makes all the cops look really bad..! I still have so many unanswered questions, and it's an undetermined cause of death, i can't believe this went to trial..! 😡 xx hydie
Her reasoning is… She’ll do whatever the prosecutors want as she has the ENTIRE trial!!! She’s just as corrupt as the rest.. 😡😡 This is such a miscarriage of justice!!! She needs to be off that bench!
Who knows?… “the frame” can work. The O.J. Simpson defense team tried this tactic. It was a bold move. But the defense team pulled it off, despite the seemingly overwhelming evidence of Simpson’s guilt.
I think this judge is very snobby! I had another word but I’ll just keep it at snobby lol. She just seems like she hates her job and could care less how others feel. This is not my first time thinking wow, did she really just say that and in the tone of voice?
Length of trial, number of witnesses and exhibits v time deliberating. What bothers me, just one request SERT report. No request read back testimony, viewing of video.
It's funny to me having lived on the planet for more than a few minutes that anyone of any life experience would arrive at any absolutes. The truth seems somewhere near the middle, difficult as finding the middle might be in this case. Whatever the jurors arrive at, I'm very impressed that they taken this challenge seriously. It must be unbelievably difficult.
I believe that the jury dose not want to find KR guilty or not. Because, no matter what the verdict is, that city will come apart at the seams! They do not want to be held reliable for the destructions or deaths that are going to take place. If she walks or is locked up, all hell is going to let go!!!!
Peter: Thank you so much for your commitment to this case and your insightful analysis. I've learned so much from you! On another note, I've discovered a new UA-cam channel--Truth Revealed. He's a former intelligence officer/interrogator and he's analyzing the testimony of both Higgins and Jen McCabe. He's new to the case, but his linguistic knowledge of lie indicators and his conclusions are both fascinating. I know you're on vacation, lol, but I'm riveted!
The dog was killed and buried under the house of the jerks that lived there. They moved out from I heard. This whole trial was so SUS it’s not even funny. The stupidity here is astounding.
They got rid of the dog, replaced the floor in room that it likely happened in, then they sold the house at a loss. And Jennifer McCabe has started a little club fire john’s mother. They have a little group that gets together regularly so she could convince her that Karen did it. It’s obviously working.
Karen must be the most unlucky woman in the world. In just a few hours she's arguing with her bf, busts a tail light, leave angry voice mails to her bf, drives home to sleep a little, goes out for a drive again, AND now on this exact night she finds her bf dead in the snow! My goodness, talk about bad luck!
When I saw the marks on his arm I knew they couldn’t be caused by a vehicle. I don’t understand what they are deliberating.
Defies common sense.
Bias
I believe the only reason the jury is struggling is due to the fact that the judge seems to have gone out of her way to make the jury confused not with the facts or evidence but the jury instructions and convoluted charges. I 100% blame the judge
Totally agree. She deliberately confused them with her crazy convoluted end speech. Shes so for a guilty vote and knows the people involved. She’s a disgrace.
Exactly
That judge has been a disgrace througout the whole trial...
I completely agree with this
AGREE
No one in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA should EVER feel threatened or afraid to do what is RIGHT!!!
right, but it happens everyday
Not surprised that their may be a hung jury. It takes only one juror to mess it up!
In a perfect world it would be nice however that's not reality.
@@chantalgates9018. Mess it up or follow their impressions after the trial?
Who tf is this jury trying to hang it up. MF u better hope I don't find you
There is just something about Brian Higgins and Albert getting rid of their phones. And Jen McCabe googling “hos long to die in the cold” at 2AM
As someone who started watching this with 0 knowledge of the case, I do not see how ANYONE could find her guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. This is so crazy to me!
This case has a fear factor for the jurors of restitution. Or worse harassements. Maybe even financial repercussion.
That’s my situation, as well. I can’t believe they even brought this case to trial
Same here! Did they watch the same trial that we did? It seems this community is pro cop and they all drink together know ea other etc
I’m pro law enforcement myself but these cops were off the chain and had zero credibility
It's obvious one or more of the jury is working with the Alberts. There needs to be better protection for the juries infact the jurors should be a mirrored glass like a police station so no one in the court room can know their identies... So that our justice system can do a fair trial. It's so easy to identify a jury in the court room if you have seen their faces. The Albert clan research and persuaded the jurors..... This is BS our justice system needs to disguised our jury
Same
100% Alberts are “throwing their weight around!” As is the judge!
Agree they should never have been allowed in the court. Especially the last day !!! Eyeing off the jury, INTIMIDATION IMO !!!
I was on a jury once (armed robbery) many years ago. I was able to help jurors come to a non-guilty verdict by explaining what reasonable doubt is (the suspect had a brother who resembled him. And no video footage or any evidence other than the victims testimony). It is very interesting and important to serve on a jury and hope you all get to experience it once in your life.
I feel Karen Read is completely innocent as it was proven no injuries were caused by a vehicle.
Love watching and learning from. Peter! Love LYK channel!!!
I wouldn't want to go through another 8 weeks of trial having to listen to Lally, either.
I am from Massachusetts. If they do not let this jury be hung, then Canoni should pay for any additional cost out of her own salary, which she has earned with diligence, but not with competence. DA needs to be repealed or revoked or whatever. entire process was a complete fraud and a waste of taxpayer money…
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I think the changing of the charges slip, whilst the jury was already in deliberations f'd with their heads
God knows what lies
Jen Mc Cabe will be throwing out? Theres no way she will be able to remember all the lies shes said.
You would if you were on trial
I don’t wanna listen to any of them, including every single person in courtroom lol
Lally is full of it, The jury made it clear: they are done.
After the lawyers present for weeks, they are ‘done’ in less than 4?!
@@NewEngland721 are you talking about the defense or jury deliberations??? If they were listening to this super confusing case that CW put forward not knowing anything beforehand…..which seems so strange to me as I’m in Australia and even I heard about it …before the trial. CW they put on so many crappy experts IMO, Defense only had a 3-4 days but they proved without a doubt in that short time there was no way KR hit him, let alone killed him, than CW with soooooo many witnesses that gave conflicting and very suspicious testimony, let alone the crappy LE investigation to prove her guilty. The defense proved it in no time after all the rambling of CW.
That judge “Bev” was a nightmare constantly sighing, she clearly didn’t want to be there.
I am dumbfounded how any sane logical person can call her guilty. Someone is feeling threatened or is siding with the cops/Alberts/McCabes holding out saying guilty.
A lot of jurors make up their minds by the end of the trial before deliberations….well at least have a very good idea of where they stand on G/NG. I say that after hearing numerous jurors on different trial, some on even more complex cases and much longer cases than this. They came back with a verdict very quickly. I think the instructions probably confused them to start with, but from what we hear one person holding out, probably saying guilty …….mmmm I truly don’t comprehend how anyone can if they listened to this trial. …..
The jury made it clear that they can’t decide if Read is guilty or not. Some think she’s guilty, others don’t. Just like in real life.
I am stressed out! Not sure how I got so invested- but man!!!
They never should have allowed a cop on the jury
Or let BEV choose him as foreperson PRIOR to the alternate jurors being dismissed by random draw
There's a cop on the jury??
Really? How deep does corruption run
Honest question - no trolls please. For all the folks who believe Karen Read is guilty - what do you make of the ARCA experts the defense brought forward compared to Trooper Paul?
That's an excellent question. I would be very curious to hear an answer to that, too. Genuinely.
I found Trooper Paul very credible personally
@@TequilaMockingBird91 what’s facts/experience did you see that made you feel that way?
Peter, so appreciate you interrupting your vaca to enlighten us on these court proceedings.
Maybe one or more jurors are being shrewd, avoiding a verdict so as not to face consequences within the community??
DID YOU CATCH THAT THE JURY INSTRUCTIONS WERE ACCUSING KAREN READ OF BEATING JOHN OKEEFE TO DEATH? AFTER HE REALIZES THE TAIL LIGHT KILLING HIM IS NOT GOING TO WORK HE ACCUSES HER AFTER NOT ONLY NOT PRESENTING ANY EVIDENCE SHE BEAT HIM, AND ARGUED WITH ANYONE SUGGESTING HE WAS BEATEN INSTEAD OF KILLED BY THE CAR, HE PRESENTS IN THE 2ND DEGREE MURDER CHARGE SHE BEAT HIM TO DEATH!!! LIKE WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THAT? I JUST DID A VIDEO OF THE INSTRUCTION TO JURY SAYING THAT NO WONDER THEY ARE CONFUSED!
I believe there are more jurors for guilty than not guilty. I think the hold outs are on her side.
I would like to know how the Alberts and their bunch got to sit straight across from the jury…seems unlikely they just got those seats by chance
Such a huge issue for public policy if she’s found not guilty. There might be a reevaluation of past cases that have been handled by the same officers leading to appeals and reviews
So be it….KR should NOT be a scapegoat for the cops corruption!!!
That sounds like a GOOD thing! Injustice MUST be corrected NOT continued as a matter of “policy”!🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
So close to 400K! I have been following you since Depp V Heard! You are a true blessing to have as a friend on here! Enjoy your vacation! ☺️
He wasn't hit by a car. Not guilty.
Corruption in Every Single Corner in this city!
You spelled country wrong!!
Once the Feds came in and conducted their own investigation and got the results of the reconstruction tests and such, I don’t understand how they were even allowed to move forward with taking this case to trial. The federal investigation lead to findings showing it is impossible that John was struck by Karen’s car - case over!!! I don’t understand how ANYONE can hear the evidence that was presented and conclude that she’s guilty. UNLESS - someone on the jury is ‘friendly’ with the McAlberts and is refusing to acquit her. I said that once jury selection began. How can the attorneys really truly KNOW for certain that the potential jurors are being 100% honest when answering questions about whether or not they know the any of the McCabe’s or Albert’s or any of the pertinent witnesses???? How can they ever really KNOW!?!? Just like Proctor when he was asked, under oath, at the state grand jury - being a sworn officer - whether or he KNEW or had a RELATIONSHIP with anyone of the McCabe’s or any of the Albert’s. He got up there and lied to everyone in that courtroom!! Who’s to say one of these jurors didn’t do the exact same thing???
Watching from Australia. I can only imagine how hard it is for the jurors as they only have their notes & evidence. Not what we have had, people like you & others on you tube breaking down what is being said & done in court.
Personally, I think Bev might know the foreperson.
Can’t believe anyone in that jury thinks she is guilty of anything, so someone is on the Abbots or police side.
Can’t wait to hear what jurors have to say when this is all over.
Love your work LYK 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Another Aussie here. Glad I live here than in USA,period
I thank you for all the coverage. I am greatful that you put this in layman's terms,and read the law.
Someone needs to be brought to justice if she is acquitted
There was never a case to start with. It's pretty clear there are some complicit members of the jury, and there aren't having their way. Worst, the judge caused this problem with her ambiguous jury instructions!
My heart just breaks over and over for Officer John O'Keefe's family. I cannot even imagine what they must be going through and thinking during this entire trial.
They believe the Commonwealth.
@@Thatweirdgirl_Kim and rightly so
Thank you! They and John are being lost in all the drama. ❤
@@mintgreen1582who can ever have faith in the clown show that is the CW now we all know how corrupt and incompetent they are?
Thanks for doing this…my husband walks in the living room and says IT’S PETER! Shot 89 today? I almost coulda beat ya…but my slice is off the charts and can’t hit a pitching wedge for anything! 😂 You have got to come to Purdue…our Pete Dye courses are amazing! 😊
Watching you on the plane getting ready to land in Hawaii! Thank you for covering on your vacation 😊
I spent 24 years in a squad car; went to college for a second career and got my degree as a Legal Assistant; interned with a District Court Judge as a paralegal law clerk so I have a lot of experience with lawyers and cops. I can't believe, after watching this trial from day one to day 32 that anyone on the jury can even think that Karen Read is guilty. There has to be a little old lady who says "A cop is dead and she has to pay!" and who refuses to hear common sense arguments. I think there could be some fear among the jurors because of the hatred that has held the town in it's tense debate over this death and that may well be the case here as well. I doubt that if they hang that the prosecution will go forward with another shot at KR.
How well did you do in college? A college degree is needed to be a legal assistant?
This case needs to be outside of canton. The jury is obviously scared to say not guilty. This case is much bigger. 3 experts said he did not get hit by a vehicle. How can you be hung?
You are so intriguing. Great mind.
Peter there was no CERT report written. That’s the problem 🤦♀️🤦♀️
The cert report was written in October or November 2023. Was not part of evidence.
@@colleenfletcher2550 I don’t think so but I don’t feel like going back and rewatching the testimony, pretty sure even Bev said there wasn’t one when they asked for it. Either way it is what it is.
Watching the day after. Thank you for occupying my Saturday while I have been working.
They haven’t asked for testimony to be read back. Do you think they understand they can ask for that?
Thank you for your coverage I think this shows everyone to have a designated driver for all when getting drunk!
As a former Bostonian I am not surprised. Cops are it, for others cop's are not it. Very traditional State. Believe it will still believe hung jury, knowing my former state mates it will be hung. Boston traditional and modern. By the way I believe she is not guilty
This is insane! I couldnt breathe!
I seen where the jurors, when it was time to go home today at their usual 3:30, asked if they could stay until 4:15, and she said yes! So, I think they are working through the nuances and will come to a verdict early next week! Fingers crossed!
Lally wants a verdict because he knows he has NOTHING to retry. He's ready for this to go away 😂
and where did you go to school again???
Exactly. He is so done with this clown show. He will be lucky if he can even keep his job. 😊
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Please do the ALEC Baldwin trial!!
Can the FBI investigation of the Canton PD and further lack of chain of custody come in more in depth if the CW wishes to retry the case? (if there is a hung jury)
Sandra birchmore case sounds interesting
Love your dad
I always choose this channel for case info/ discussion. 1 year till ID 4. 🍀
Judge looks pissed
I did not watch this trial but would like to know her reasoning for leaving the scene of an accident
She was drunk. She hit him and got scared. She started calling him as soon as she hit him hoping he was still alive. She called him 53 times. 53 times. She started her story and alibi as soon as she murdered him. Karen is guilty of murder in the 2nd degree.
If the jurors can't see reasonable doubt in this case something isn't right.The dog bites alone prove reasonable doubt.Injuries not caused by vehicle trauma..Something isn't right..This is so clear cut.I don't trust this process at all.
But you have to believe they are dog bites first. Really think about it, What is the likelihood they are dog bites and/or scratches. That’s just ridiculous. Honestly people.
I think what happens is sympathy for the family impacts the jury. They are seated directly across from the jury for 2 months and jury likely feeling great sympathy--as we all do. But they cannot feel it is wrong if they don't give the family what the family may perceive to be Justice. They need to keep telling themselves that a guilty verdict of a non guilty person is not justice. I hope that if there is a mistrial and then a retrial that the jurors are able to know about the federal investigation
@@reasonable342so you're saying the tail light made them? Or the glass cup?? Or...??
Shit i cant believe you can make 2.5 hrs for this vid while on vacation. Thank you! You're the best! 💞
PETER LOL my husband just came home and said he listened to your boone letter video going to and coming home from work today lol 😊
You’re BRILLIANT, ARTICULATE, AND UTTERLY AMAZING!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Judges poker face reminds me of grumpy cat. LoL
No reason to second guess defense. They are the greatest.
As a runner, I love my Mizunos - great to hear their golf gear is on point too!
Wow, Peter was full on reading all the SuperChat from 3:30am to 4:15pm.
I wish I could stay up 2am - 4:30am my time! lol..
Even my question showed how sleepy I was! hahaha
Thanks so much Peter! Have a wonderful vacation weekend! ⛳🏖🎉
Thanks John and Kelsey too! Have a great weekend! 🥳🫶
She didn’t even pay attention (“Jim”) when defense was pleading their stand smfh this judge!!!
Karen is guilty of at least all the lesser charges. Not murder, but all the others. She was there, she was arguing with John, she left him, she said she hit him, she was still drunk, there is DNA match with tail light and hair that only matched John and his biological mother. No 20-30 people from emt, firefighter, police, friends are all going to conspire for this one woman, someone would talk and if it was a man in a fight, they could have claimed self defense when John was injured. Just because people have personal feelings of the witnesses, does not mean they commited a crime. John is 6'3" 200 lbs and in good shape and intoxicated. Drunk people usually don't get injured in a MVA, the sober one does. There is no dog dna.
Peter, As of 6/28 Judge granted the lawyer to withdraw from Sarah Boone’s case. They are now saying Sarah Boone is going Pro Se… 16 page order from the judge. The court stated defendant has forfeited her right to counsel.
Waterfall Bar video unedited is everything. Y'all please 🙏 watch.
Any chance you can put up the link for us, I’m unable to find it.
Do tell. What does unedited video show?
It doesn't really have any impact on this case. OJO didn't get his wounds there, so only the impact of the car or lack of is important to this case.
Peter, grape Celsius is my favorite too! Most of them are too sweet for me. Thanks for everything! Such a sweetie. Have a wonderful vacation with your family! ⛱️🏝️🗺️
Different judge for retrial?
Why do you think the jury wasn't sequestered?
Well, at 3:45 jury asked to be able to deliberate until 4:15; judge said yes. Why such arbitrary time? Close? At 4:18 all back in court. No note/update from jury. Judge just told them you've been working hard. Go home and clear your heads and we'll see you Monday.
Per Turtle guy (in courtroom) juror #7, upper middle aged woman, seen leaving red face /eyes, looking as if she had been crying. Maybe the one holdout...for guilty lesser.
I was an alternate in a murder trial in California and I had to sit silently through all the deliberation till the jury made a decision. You couldn't say a word or look at anyone. It was painful as the trial was long, the deliberation was long, and then at the decision the other alternates and I got kicked to the curb, no longer sat with the jury.
That’s the process.
When I click on "subcribe" does that mean I "join"? I want to do so! Thank you for giving time for this on vacay....thank your wife and kids. I was married to a very busy man who worked for Ross Perot, so I'm familiar with vacation work calls. It was fine because it gave our children everything they needed and a wonderful education and also was a great example of a work ethic.
I think a lot of tv media personality are getting impatient. Its been 20 hours and 53 minutes (3 full days of deliberations). I wonder if after 19 hours the jury started to panic cause they didnt want to work thru the 4th of July holiday. Given how much material they have to go thru, I would think its safe to predict we may not get a verdict till after the 4th of July.
if case is retried....can they have more/less witnesses or even different witnesses (including the pros)
Yes
The jury instructions are impossible. I would go so far as to say unethical. It's almost as if the judge wants to confuse the jury as much as she can. Why would she do that?
I hope they can get to a verdict - a cleaner end to this case.
This case is so convoluted, I don't think any jury will be able to come to a unanimous decision.it's the messiness for me! We don't even know how, when, or where JO was killed,Trooper
Proctor is not credible. I'm embarrassed for Procter, and he makes all the cops look really bad..! I still have so many unanswered questions, and it's an undetermined cause of death, i can't believe this went to trial..! 😡 xx hydie
Her reasoning is… She’ll do whatever the prosecutors want as she has the ENTIRE trial!!! She’s just as corrupt as the rest.. 😡😡 This is such a miscarriage of justice!!! She needs to be off that bench!
I am fed UP with the judge. Sick of her
Who knows?… “the frame” can work. The O.J. Simpson defense team tried this tactic. It was a bold move. But the defense team pulled it off, despite the seemingly overwhelming evidence of Simpson’s guilt.
I wish they could poll the jury! I also feel that she is innocent!
I think this judge is very snobby! I had another word but I’ll just keep it at snobby lol. She just seems like she hates her job and could care less how others feel. This is not my first time thinking wow, did she really just say that and in the tone of voice?
400,000 by 4th of July! 💖🙏
What is the definition of "not nearly enough time"
Length of trial, number of witnesses and exhibits v time deliberating.
What bothers me, just one request SERT report. No request read back testimony, viewing of video.
It's funny to me having lived on the planet for more than a few minutes that anyone of any life experience would arrive at any absolutes. The truth seems somewhere near the middle, difficult as finding the middle might be in this case. Whatever the jurors arrive at, I'm very impressed that they taken this challenge seriously. It must be unbelievably difficult.
Can the judge decide to sequester the jury now
Telling you this Judge is disgusted, she wants Karen guilty, telling ya .
Thsnk You ❤
I believe that the jury dose not want to find KR guilty or not. Because, no matter what the verdict is, that city will come apart at the seams! They do not want to be held reliable for the destructions or deaths that are going to take place. If she walks or is locked up, all hell is going to let go!!!!
Peter: Thank you so much for your commitment to this case and your insightful analysis. I've learned so much from you! On another note, I've discovered a new UA-cam channel--Truth Revealed. He's a former intelligence officer/interrogator and he's analyzing the testimony of both Higgins and Jen McCabe. He's new to the case, but his linguistic knowledge of lie indicators and his conclusions are both fascinating. I know you're on vacation, lol, but I'm riveted!
I feel badly for KR
THE JUDGE IS 💯% CORRECT!! JURY NOT EVEN 3 FULLDAYS...LEFT EARLY 2 DAYS...I DAY ONLY 2 HRS. 🎉🎉🎉
That's what I was thinking. Why now is the judge still letting them deliberate? At what point is she done?????? Is she being paid off to????
The golfing talk is adorable
Did you hear Biden’s golf score?
Lol
Lol I was wondering if he ever played tetherball
disgusted. Takeaway ....never go to Boston. DISGUSTED
Yes, they were exhausted and worked hard, enough is enough. Exhaustive is the word
Exhausted? They've hardly been in court, and when they have, they haven't even gone more than 6 hours, and that includes breaks and lunches...
I would definitely vote guilty. For Procter that is.
Would there be a new judge if the jury is hung and they can retry the case?? 👀🤔
Small town
Small town rules
Copland vibes
The dog was killed and buried under the house of the jerks that lived there. They moved out from I heard. This whole trial was so SUS it’s not even funny. The stupidity here is astounding.
They got rid of the dog, replaced the floor in room that it likely happened in, then they sold the house at a loss. And Jennifer McCabe has started a little club fire john’s mother. They have a little group that gets together regularly so she could convince her that Karen did it. It’s obviously working.
For John’s mother…
Jen is the shadiest mofo. The rest of them are just shady
Since they need just a little more time it seems they may have come to a conclusion??
I know, I’m team #replay but can a jury find a person guilty of a charge NOT on the form?? I truly feel a verdict of guilty of DWI is appropriate.
No.. they must go by how the charges are written. The OUI charge is part of the manslaughter charge. Therefore they can’t charge her with just an OUI.
Karen must be the most unlucky woman in the world.
In just a few hours she's arguing with her bf, busts a tail light, leave angry voice mails to her bf, drives home to sleep a little, goes out for a drive again, AND now on this exact night she finds her bf dead in the snow! My goodness, talk about bad luck!
Are u serious ? Talk about not taking accountability for your actions
@@SmartScanScreeningsSeems like sarcasm to me…
@@SueBoo2She is obviously Guilty. It's a No Brainer.
@@Resmith18SR That’s why I said it’s sarcasm!
Seems like she had an alcoholic blackout, but somewhere in her psyche she knew she did it.
Yes, sarcasm 😊
As I'm retired I watch a lot of trails ,this one is really hard , I would hate to make a decision , 🙄🥴
Is it possible that a friend of the families involved could be a juror?
Watched a Canton town hall with Albert heading. They controll town spending,money,development.Alberts obviously have lot of controll in town
Defense getting nervous and want a do over