Are Quad Cores Redeemed? | i3 12100F
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
- Testing the Intel Core i3-12100F quad core 8-thread CPU in 10 popular and demanding games in 2024, using an RX 6900 XT discrete GPU.
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After my previous video roundup, I concluded that older quad cores were no longer worth buying. Sure, there are some fringe instances where one can survive with one, but sooner or later you’ll come across a game that just doesn’t run right without at least a couple more cores. However, plenty of my commenters, as well as other creators, had led me to believe that the i3-12100F was bucking the trend and making quad cores look like a viable budget option once more.
This, I had to see for myself.
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00:00 Intel Core i3-12100F in 2024
00:56 The Story of the Intel Core i3-12100F
02:25 Test System
02:47 Gaming Benchmarks
02:50 Benchmarks: Valorant
03:54 Benchmarks: Fortnite
04:47 Benchmarks: Counter Strike 2
05:35 Benchmarks: Call of Duty: Warzone
06:20 Benchmarks: Starfield
06:53 Benchmarks: Cyberpunk 2077
07:30 Benchmarks: The Last of Us
08:05 Benchmarks: Dragon’s Dogma 2
09:18 Benchmarks: Flight Simulator 2020
10:00 Benchmarks: Civilization VI
10:16 Synthetics: 3DMark Fire Strike & Time Spy
10:24 Synthetics: CPU-Z & Cinebench R23
10:40 Productivity Test: Davinci Resolve
11:21 Productivity Test: Blender
11:42 Conclusion
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NOTES / ERRATA
Oops, I messed up the charts. The i9-9900K and i7-8700K were clocked to 5GHz, not 4.5.
Felt like it
And the 12100 only ever ran at 4.1 in games in your footage, so I suspect 4.3 is the single core boost, or there was a power limit in place.
@@badgermemelord6207it's intel when more than 2 core are in use the CPU down clock by 200mhz same with i5 12600K from 4.9Ghz to 4.5Ghz for core
The 12100F is usually equated in gaming performance to the 9700K, yet the 8700K was running faster in Starfield for one. Makes sense that it was overclocked
ERRATA(S)? O∆O
I actually made a I3-12100f based pc for older titles. It was cheaper then buying an older I7 with a compatible motherboard, because for some reason the ones that support DDR4 still command a premium.
Yeah, old i7s still hold their value because there are still plenty of people with old motherboards looking for a drop-in upgrade. If you're putting together a whole system with used parts, it's better to go the Xeon route, these are cheap af, and you can put them in one these salvage aliexpress boards or an old Dell/Lenovo workstation.
🙂 i purchased a 4790K with a Z97 Board and 32gb of DDR3 for nostalgia, and yeah its actually a bit more money than my 12100 build, they both run fine, skylake isn't too much more over haswell, I think rite now the sweet spot is the 8700K which officially supports Win 11 but its really expensive if u pair it with a Z board and 32gb of ddr4, some content creators say they find steals on fb marketplace and craigslist but I havent seen anything like that here in chicago
right now i7 haswell is the cheapest over the other generations, at 30 bucks a pop
idiots thinking their prehistoric i7's still are hot sheet
People still think old i7s are hot sh1t
Make a top 10 CPUs chart and redeem your old self Mr. Iceberg.
I'm newish (only been around for a year maybe). We're videos previously some tier list like channel?
@@HanmaHeironot that I can remember
@@HanmaHeiro He did some top10 videos under a different channel a while back, it was named "IceBergTop10s" or something.
@@filipgall2645 he did it under a different channel.
@@aadityasingh6134 ah, thanks. I just searched for that and found a playlist from iceberg gaming
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I have this same exact CPU, I received it for free from my school for a class where you assemble a PC and keep it for free.
Safe to say I was WAY ahead of the class on my building game so I decided to invest in it a little more, gave it 16 gigs of RAM where I initially started with 8, then gave it a 5700 XT I had also received for free (note it was originally an eBay purchase, but it was a scam at first. Dead on arrival and didn't properly function. I eventually managed to fix it after giving it a deep clean and it works like brand new, I got a refund and the seller said to keep it they don't want a dead GPU.
Win win either way for me, bottle neck is noticable but it's still a fantastic CPU.
Which school where
@@bulletpunch9317 I should of mentioned this was a college class. Not a school. My bad
@@houseflygamingwhere
"where you assemble pc and keep it for free.."
a 12th gen? for free..? 😶
they don't even do that in MIT
@@judasthepious1499 I know. It's crazy.. for a tech college too? It's a cheap rig but it works
Your sarcasm somehow gives me the feeling of Dawid does tech stuff level sarcasm, both have same energy
I have a 6700K @ 4.5 on my 2nd PC and it's still surprisingly capable.
Yeah, my old pc is a 6700k @4.7 with a 1080Ti and 32GB of DDR4 and it's still a very good gaming machine for 1080p. Like ultra settings for most games.
Can confirm
yeah but then you go to open your web browser on your modern system & you’re like wow! & that’s just moving the mouse to click the browser icon lol
@@ahiwalter9153explain yourself sire
4c/8t (on the Intel side) were already redeemed with the i3-10100 and it reaching the performance of the i5-8400 and the i7-7700.
This cpu just further solidified it.
🙂 it has pci 4.0 and it supports ddr4 and ddr5, its nice to have options on a bummy chip
Hardly. Those cpus were proper trash. 4 core 7700 was a joke, and that i5 got royally clapped by Ryzen. 4 cores were out even at the time, let alone three generations later. The 12100 on the other hand, could keep up with its current competition, except multithreading and framepacing but those are natural limitations on four cores.
@@randomguydoes2901 "clapped by ryzen" Those 1st and 2nd gen ryzens with ipc performance of intel 3/4 gen (not even skylake 6th gen), yeah sure
it also has way bigger cache
@@flat_lander1 if we watch benchmark videos from 2017 to 2018 Ryzen 3 barely matched i3 6100 and had more cores than i3.All cores and threads don't really make a difference ipc gain and clock speeds also matter.
Thank-you for doing this! Your videos are great! I've been wanting to try a "newer" quad core CPU. Last night, I stayed at a Holiday Inn, today I watched Iceberg Tech's i3-12100F video.
Loved my time with this CPU, only upgraded to an i7 when I upgraded my GPU and wanted to push some higher refresh rates. Worked great for my casual video/photo editing needs and was a great entry point for PC gaming in 2021.
Great analysis Iceberg!
As I've mentioned some day already, I love your videos, and I dont know what keeps me on them. And it's actually the perfect mix with the music and the cutting. It's like perfectly balanced. Do you have any background in editing? Like, you got some real talent! Love your Videos man, keep it up!
Making sense of the data seems like the complex part to me.
The videos are not really that complex other than just keeping track of his screen capture footage, downloading media and marketing clips from relevant sources, some graphs and excel data or screen shots.
The only exception is the music and voice over audio mixing, I have never dealt with that before so my blind guess is it's two audio channels where he manually sets the gain levels and linearly ramps up and ramps down based on his time stamps of various sections or scripted points.
Thanks 😊 like @tanmaypanadi1414 says, the editing itself is not that complex. It's just a matter of lining up a music beat with an action on screen, or making sure what's happening on screen is at least interesting or relevant to what I'm saying in the voiceover. I'm too cheap to buy Office, so I use Google Sheets to maintain my data across PCs and generate charts. Google charts look pretty basic, so I do a quick pass in Photoshop to smarten them up.
I edited a couple of student films when I was at college, but that's about the extent of my pre-YT editing experience.
@@IcebergTech I would suggest picking up a few simple animation or ways to highlight where I ( viewer) should focus as you make your point.
it's easier said than done as I struggle to speak in front of a camera while I am fairly decent with graphics.
(Hopefully this comment doesn't end up buried)
Hey man. I wanna point out something that seemed really odd to me. In your tests, the i3 12100F performs very similar, if not ever so slightly worse than the i7 6700K. I remember it performing way better than that. I immediately checked the TechPowerUp's review on the 12100F, and I was right! It performs from 13% to 16% better than the i7, and it's very close to the i5 10600K. I fear that the choice of RAM speed (DDR5 4800MT/s) might be the reason of such subpar performance. Please, check the review and inform us of anything you find, TPU tested the CPU with both DDR4 3200 and DDR5 6000. Cheers, keep up the good work!
yes your right, it mite be because of the configurations the OP used, or because of the video game and video game engine, theres a few titles that prefer older cpus
@@MrSamadolfo Well, to be precise, older titles that are more single-threaded and don't utilize 6 or 8 cores CPUs efficiently. However, the i7 6700K is a quad-core too, so there shouldn't be any advantage against the 12100F. Also, Iceberg's test suite has several modern games.
older CPUs ( 8th gen or older ) probably got nerfed with the good old Spectre and meltdown patches or the newest of the bunch called downfall. ( all part of speculative executions hardware vulnerability patched in software) which means no Hyper threading.
Allegedly the newer cpu have some cryptographic memory encryption extensions implemented in hardware as a workaround for these things to not affect performance for all the business customers.
@@tanmaypanadi1414 🙂 yes thats a good point, thanks
@@tanmaypanadi1414Coffee Lake got nerfed? Oh well, Microshaft said they were the entry point for Windows 11… Didn’t you mean Kaby Lake?
Thank you for your detailed reply to my earlier comment.
It gives me much to think about.
Excellent video , thanks Iceberg Tech!
i feel like Intel missed a great chance to make i3s cool again, starting in the 10 series when they moved to 4c/8t config by ending the K SKU models. i would've loved to see an i3 10350K or 12350K!
They need to add cores to the i3 cause amd is far superior In multicore
Looking back at 7350k, it is a bad idea, because you’ll need to get a more expensive Motherboard and cooler, you’re better served by getting the next level i5.
@@isssma0 the 7350K, 8350K and 9350K was really pointless to begin with. But when an i3 did start to get interesting again, it got back to the boring, locked state.
To be fair earlier BIOS revisions for LGA1700 allowed BCLK “OCs” on non-K SKUs. I remember seeing a few people running 12100/Fs & 12400/Fs at 5Ghz to 5.2Ghz all-core (which made them substantially faster, seeing as all-core speeds on both is like 4.1Ghz on the i3 & 4.0Ghz on the i5 respectively). Since IPC scales somewhat linearly (to a certain point before “plateauing”), the two budget champs had comparable single core performance to a 12900K for the most part. And in multi-core, it would largely be dependent on overall core/thread count (though I’d have to assume a 12400/F @ 5Ghz-5.2Ghz all-core would be similar to a 12600K with E-cores disabled and a similar all-core OC). Regardless, it’s hard to deny the fact that method wasn’t ever a genuine feature of those CPUs due to it being more of a “life hack” type of thing in the first place lol.
But in regards to your comment about a K-SKU i3, I’ve been desperately waiting to see if Intel would’ve FINALLY given us a 14300K/14350K with 4P + 4E (so 8c/12t - would’ve finally put pressure on entry level AM5 chips like the 7500F…if it used Raptor Cove P-cores w/ the larger cache, improved memory controller, & tolerance for higher clock speeds)
@@couriersix2443 I am the one of those people, proud owner of 12400 5 ghz clocked. Its really a powerhouse youre not expecting.
using a 12100f with rtx 2060 super. um in love with this combination.
i get 60+ fps at 1080p high setting in all latest AAA games most of the time
My friend has an i3-10100 and an RTX 3050 and he is satisfied with the performance of Dragon’s Dogma 2.
@08:44 I thought I was looking at a bad Lara Croft Tomb raider run/game ;-) great content as always!
Not related to the cpu vid but i like your undervolt vids and revisiting old gpus relative to present comparisons. Could you do another one of those ? Specially Rx 590 and the vega series
i love ur videos man they are so original and educational keep it up !
you have such a nice thumbnails dude
The only quadcore I still have, it’s an i7-3280. It’s just perfect, at least for playing COD4 MW and older titles. Works well with a 1050ti
I'm here for it! I have this CPU as a backup when I was experimenting with my 13900KF. To reduce downtime should I mess something up haha
🙂 yes its a good spare chip, u also now have the Intel 300 but its not any cheaper
Good Evening my Guys
I was surprised how close the i7-6700K was, yes it was clocked 200MHz higher but it looked like the IPC improvement was negligible at best.
Something isn't right there because i7 6700k is identical to i3 10105F not 12100F, 12100F is way faster even with DDR4 than i3 10105 or i5 10400 (i7 8700k)
@@flat_lander1 Yeah that seems wrong, other people testing these CPUs do see much larger difference between them
🙂 it depends on the video game but normally the 6700K falls somewhere between the 4790K and i31200, the generations are suppose to scale up in stairs
I already moved on to AM5, but my time running with a 12100F + RX 6600 during the pandemic years was amazing. When playing games like Cyberpunk, it's unbelievable what a quad core CPU like this can pull off in numbers (as what has reflected in the video). It can bring very decent 1080p and 1440p frame rates. I only bought it as a stop gap until the CPU/GPU prices normalized. I was almost frustrated how well the combo was doing for me. It was quite difficult to justify the upgrade later LOL
🙂 i still have mines, i have it setup in one of my bedrooms, it runs fine, shes a good girl
@@MrSamadolfo Yeah I have a 12100 too, its both my backup cpu and gpu... as my 14700 is the kf variant. Used it for about a week during an rma, it wasn't bad.
whats your new setup
Oh, keep using those results from the 9900k. That was a great chip that intel released. One of their best.
I don't know how I did it but I have all cores clocked 5gz and it rarely goes above the 60s temp-wise.
Maybe it's the motherboard I have.
My kids use that PC when we're playing co-op games together. Still runs great with a 2080 Ti. I think they're a perfect pair.
Nice video.
4cores ain't great but for the casual budget gamer it looks fine.
I put an i7 7700 and an RX6400 in an old hp system for my brother and he loves it for gaming. Mostly last gen games but he's happy with it
🙂 yay
Good to hear and that is ultimately what matters. Up until a few months back I was running an old Ivy Bridge Xeon workstation as my main PC.
I just put one in a new rig with an amd 6600. Compared to my i72700 + 3070ti , I dont really see much performance loss besides some fps. The i3 runs fast and with the 600 im still getting 60+ fps on newer games like helldivers2 and DD2, and over 120 fps on some "older" games from just a couple years ago
🙂 theres a few games that stutter but its not too bad, and most stutters are not actually visible unless u have msi afterburner running and you are monitoring the millisecond timegraph, i have a few games that stutter but its not because of the cpu but instead because i run my video games off of 3.5 hard drives from my home server
THANK YOU WOOHOO!
its just about over for the quad core area my favorite was the 7700 as used to be a laptop gamer until staticly gaming laptops fail due to heat even using it the way it was meant to be used they still have a high rate failure rate
I built a system with an i3-12100F and an RTX 3060. It was such a good combo that I still to this day miss that system.
wht r U using now
I'm currently using an i7-3770K temporarily and the iGPU is being used. Really works better in daily use than I thought.
🙂 the cheapest gaming graphics card rite now is the HD 7570 1GB DDR5 for 10 bucks, u can play alot of older video games just fine with that card, I have a few of them for my older pcs, just make sure you have a Display Port Cable
@@MrSamadolfoyeah maybe point and click games from 1997 but you ain't playing anything made after 2009 with that card lmao
@@dtectatl1honestly most new games suck anyways
@@exzld false 2023 was legitimately the best year gaming has had in decades. 2024 is following suit with games like dragons dogma 2.
@@dtectatl1 honestly im like a boomer at this point. I still prefer 90s and early 2000s games. only exception in 2024 is monster hunter rise for me.. and maybe some remasters. I can finally say I am a casual gamer despite having nearly 800 hours play time on my character. 🤪
finallty i get to see my cpu on this channel
Could you make a video about the Ryzen 5 1600? It would be cool to see how it compares to some newer CPUs, especially in 1440p!
I am not surprised. I would be surprised few years ago, but as of lately I have to keep using my i7-4710HQ which if not for thermal/power limitations it would still be ok(ish). The 12100F of course is much MUCH faster than mine (plus desktop but whatever) and should be fine for most tasks. If I had money to buy a new system today I would definitely NOT go for a quad core CPU, or one without iGPU, but the 12100F is not a bad one.
Good video, thank you for sharing.
The AMD Ryzen 5 5600 costs only 99€ in Germany. (Retailer mindfactory/yes, it's a special offer/yes, AM4 is EOL)
This CPU can be overclock to 4,5+GHz.
🙂 Microcenter here its 25 more expensive, for new here it looks like either u pick this i3 or you pick one of the lower tier ryzen chips, the choices here are 4500 5500 3600 or one of the versions with integrated graphics that end with a G
I got a 14100F for $79.00 and it rocks.
🙂 its a good beater chip for plebs and serfs, also in this range u should do a video on the cheap sun dried raisen chips such as the 3600 4500 5500 and their counterparts with integrated graphics, they all seem to be priced around an i3 cheap chip, and also mention and review all the cheap motherboards for this tier, thanks and have a good weekend
Thanks!
The 12100F is priced decently, but I'd look to stretch the budget to at least a 12400F if at all possible, even if it's for a low budget build. The extra cores are nice to have these days.
I have one of these chips in my parts closet. I ran it for a while, and was really impressed with it. Best 4-core processor I've ever seen - faster than dammit, as a friend of mine says.
hey uh can you show the frametime graph in your testing from now on?
Bought one used for 50 euro, very happy with it, combining with 980 ti and it's great in 1080p!
i myself still use i3 10100f, its still good if u manage expectations. will update it on 2030 or until its un useable.
You have given the best chance to the i3 actually (to shine), with the "high" end mobo DDR5 combo. So I am a bit surprised it could only match the Skylake processor (with all the ipc gains). Other tech channels where divinizing this chip when it came out (and burrying the likes of the 8700k, 9900k) so its good to see them on top (even with oc). Wonder how they would fare against the 12400f.
I would love for i3 to be 4P+2/4E cores
Well, since Intel is killing the "Core i3/5/7/9" branding it's not going to happen. Btw I have an i3 10100F (4P) gaming PC and an i3 1220P (2P+8E cores) non-gaming laptop.
hi
i3 12100f
2x8 16gb 3200mhz cl22
Ssd m2 Samsung 256Gb
can i pair this pc with a gtx 1660super and get over 250fps in cs2 (1280x960-Low)
or better to pair with a 2060s?
All Vermeer CPUs of AM4 will be legendary
CPU limitations are an interesting topic for me. I have a i5-11400H/RTX 3050M gaming laptop, and am considering a rebuilt Lenovo Thinkstation P520 with Xeon W-2130/RTX 2080 for $550ish.
The bottleneck calculator says that should be about 15% CPU bottlenecked, and another creator I asked says the Xeon W-2135 is too weak for the RTX 2080.
Yet, there are an awful lot of these systems for sale.
Given that the price is right for me, I would appreciate any insights. I have trouble making a comparable parts list to build for $550.
Miyconst has looked at the Xeon Ws, and it turned me off that platform altogether. They have larger L2 caches than the previous models, but less L3 cache, and that seems to be a problem for gaming. I suspect the CPU would hold back that 2080 pretty seriously - Nvidia's driver overhead means they don't always play nicely with less powerful CPUs, as I found with the Ryzen 7 1700 last year.
The P510 uses v4 Xeons, and these might be slightly better for gaming, but not by much. The P500 uses v3s, but I don't think they can me modded for turbo unlocking - at least, not without directly modding the BIOS chip with a USB flashing utility.
In summary... I like these workstations for cheapo $200--300 builds, but when you're talking $500+ I would think twice.
@@IcebergTech Thank you for your thoughtful and detailed reply. The issue I am facing is that the $550 machine has everything: CPU, fan, PSU, SSD, HD, OS. RAM, and when I try to put together a PC Picker Part List under $600, I have trouble reaching RX 6600 plus appropriate components. At that point, I might as well stay with my laptop and keep turning down the settings.
What I am aiming for is 1080p in games that I am Alpha and Beta testing, and so are definitely not optimized. I am looking for the future of 1080p in Unreal Engine 5+, with textures and so on.
I guess I need to look more like $750, but I was hoping for a fast solution in case my laptop proves incapable.
This is a BIG ask, but can you look into the "25x20" target that AMD set in 2014
Ie compare "kaveri" with "rembrant". [I think this was the original goal, since Ryzen was supposed to be 2016, GloFo 14nm was delayed 1-2 years, and TSMC N7 was also delayed 1-2 years, not to mention RDNA2 was released in 2020, was probably intended to release in 2018-2019 with APUs in 2020]
You could do TDP comparisons, heaven, games relevant in 2012-2016 and games from 2018-2022
Also comparison of every AM4 APU would be interesting too
And the gt 730, 1030 and 1630 to compare (since thats likely what AMD APUS was initially targeted against, bonus if you do 8840u vs 2060/3050 or 1050ti/1650
I think it would make for a very interesting 1 hour video XD
Can you show the whole testrig including the GPU?
Still rocking an 11900k and its more cpu than I will need for years to come. Hell my old 4770k is putting in good work as a media pc with a gtx960 hooked up to a 4k tv.
I'm right about to buy one of these, perfect timing.
🙂 now u have to decide on what exact board and what exact ram stick to get
All this video did was reassure me of my purchase of a R7 5700x. I got it pretty cheap and spent money on a Arctic Liquid Freeze 3 360 (It was a steal at 90$ USD) so it stays nice and cool and can boost high.
Of course they released the 5800x3d and 5700x3d right after I had bought the 5700x.
You can purchase a 5700X3D for $192 shipped all day long if you know where to look. The 5700X is going for about $120 which is a steal, 5600 at $90. Buying a quad core Intel has been dead, in 2022+. lul
This CPU is the best for it price. It also very good for most game when paired with miner RTX 2060 which ensure no bottleneck. Also the back up integrated graphics can do some light gaming on it own as well if you have no interested in current gen gaming scene.
4800? what? my 12100f ran at 6600xmp on my asus rog b660i itx mobo without any issues. why not trying to see what the issue was instead? my 12100f was pretty ok with an 4090 I had, it was obvious it was the cpu bottleneck in wz1 as it only gave me 170fps compared to 220fps with an 3080ti with 5800x3d/12700k/12900k.
Could you test the e5 1660 v3?
iceberg you should really do a video on the ryzen 7 5800x which is a little bit more expensive but from what i have seen from it ( I use one ) for 200 pounds or dollars depending on where you live it is a good cpu
I already covered the 5700X (which is in my editing rig right now), and I feel like a 5800X review would be redundant.
It seems a decent chip. Plenty of options out there for a budget 4C/8T setup and it fares well even against the 6C/12T 4500 and 5500. Against a 4C/8T 3300x (my current CPU) it dominates. Could be an option for a second build if you can get the motherboard cheap enough. As someone else in the comments mentioned a K version of this chip could have done very well.
🙂 here at Microcenter or Amazon the prices are pretty close between i3 and those ryzen chips, plus u also have the 3600 for 80 bucks rite now, plus u have some G integrated graphics versions as well around that price point, and all support win 11 officially
@@MrSamadolfo Pricing for a lot of the AM4 Ryzens seems to have dropped a little in the last couple of days so my little 3300x will soon be replaced with a 5600x. Still intrigued by the 12100F but only if I can get the motherboard cheap enough. The 3300x will likely be headed for the spares box.
@@vespasian606 🙂 yes at microcenter sometimes u can get lucky and purchase motherboards that have been returned for 35 dollars for intel or amd, the problem is having time to go to the store and pick it up before somebody beats you to it LOL, yes keep the 3300X in case you need it to update the bios of any motherboard
i still use a 4 core in my second pc. 5300g, lovely little cpu
My i7 11390h in my laptop is a quadcore and I'm decently happy with it. It's an interesting processor. Not as good as the 12100f though.
Considerate about Quad Core CPUs but for imo WorkStations are something very different. You should create more WorkStation based videos ^^
You should do 1080p tests as 1440p is more gpu bounded
Do make a video on the ryzen 3 3100 as well!!
I did! Well, it was a comparison of the 3100 and the i7 6700K.
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@@IcebergTech ok then!!
4:33 dont't use performance mode in fortnite, it's terrible for stability! Really interesting video, as always
Even though it's killerly low priced. it shows its age that mainstream pc's completely moved away from dual or quad core being the beasts of games and productivity. A 7500f not even being the same league as this with 30-40 pounds difference shows
I got a 12400f for $100, its a lot more competitive with a 7500F, and it can use DDR4 as well. 12100f is regular $80 or less. 12100f is fine. (I would suggest trying a 12500 of any sort when on sale, but the $150 12600k/f are available plentifully). Ask what graphics you are pairing with it if you are in the bottom of the barrel anyway. The PCIe 4.0 will make cheap newer cards work better. The only reason for faster CPU is when your video card isn't being taxed, esports or 1080p older games. Or I guess newer games with tons of AI.
Recently got a 12400F on sale as an upgrade for a G7400. The G7400 was good enough for that PC and was 50% off when I got it a couple of years ago but couldn’t resist the lowest price ever on the 12400F and now the PC should last for a very long time since it’s just an HTPC. Had to use a 750ti I already had as a GPU since there is no built in GPU though.
It would've been so nice if Intel also realeased a 4 core Raptor Cove CPU. The i3s of 13th and 14th gen are still using the Golden Cove cores that the 12th gen uses. The change is that the Raptor Cove has 2 MB of L2 cache per core instead of 1.25M of L2 cache per Golden Cove core. There might be some other IPC improvements, but most of it is the extra L2 cache. With it, I do think that a 14100F would've been better than a 8700K. So sad.
the choice of games matters a lot, a lot of testing is still being done using old azz games on all pc channels
next gen games like alan wake 2, avatar, unreal engine 5 games tax gpu way harder and actually look like next gen
Test the 4600G/4500 fr fr
u can overclock (with MSI z690 unity motherboards) that i3 12100f upto 5.3ghz which will give performance better than ryzen 5 5600x
Core and Thread numbers usability can be pretty much summed up like this:
Anything below 4C/4T: Not good enough anymore.
4C/4T: Extremely limiting, only good enough for very old games and programs.
4C/8T: Just good enough for gaming, but not for the most demanding games.
6C/12T: Great for gaming.
8C/16T: Perfect for gaming and more.
Anything above 8C/16T: Overkill. Only if you really need a lot of performance for productivity. And if you have the Money of course.
Were you using a z690 with a contact frame? My gut is telling me you are building a 12/13th gen test bench or editing rig
I'm going to test a bunch of 1700 CPUs in the coming months. If I find one that I like, I might keep it for my editing rig.
@@IcebergTech am going to build a pc in some days probably using the i5 12400 and rtx 4070 super it would be interesting to see how it performs in davinci also great content keep it up
Did an sff build for my son/ to use for media streaming on the living room tv
It only uses an r3 3100 (a520i mobo, so stock clocks) and an rx 5600xt (also stock clocks)
Runs every game weve thrown at it at 1080p high-ultra (granted we dont really play very demanding games in general anyway)
Quad cores, even the ones that got destroyed in reviews at launch, have their place.
Know the limits of your hardware and dont try to exceed them and then get upset when they cant keep up.
the used older ryzen chips are getting cheaper, u can upgrade that cpu later on for cheap 🙂
@@MrSamadolfo I got the 3100 used for $33 on eBay a while back and it's been perfect for what we've been using it for.
It's not often that you can run a game with hwinfo64 open in the background and check it at the end of a session to see that both the CPU and GPU hit 99% utilization in game. No stutters, no issues whatsoever
This things probably the most balanced PC I've ever built, and it sips power. I really can't complain about it.
@@werewolfmoney6602 🙂 yay
Oh boy, I love that thumbnail
Thanks! This one's had a lot more compliments than usual... wonder why?
i3 12100f @5.1ghz with an asrock b660m pg riptide is showing another tier of performance compared to stock
Fingers crossed for 15th Gen i3.
The moment my old Core 2 Quad Q6600 kicks the bucket is the moment I accept that quad cores are obsolete.
Is depend market here in moment they almost same price as 13100 which is one idea better
Me, with my R5 5600 @ 4.8Ghz all-core (or better yet - the equivalent of a turbocharged 4-cylinder engine with all stock internals & a tuned PCM, while running the maximum psi it can handle and still be driven daily): “Wow, what great performance for the money! And all it took was a little time & effort to get it to this point via trial and error.”
Alternate timeline/universe me, who never bought an AM4 board yet is similarly “bang for the buck” oriented and thus the ended up with a 12100F and a Z690 (DDR4) that they found for stupid cheap on FB Marketplace: “Behold, the quad-core to rule above them all - the i3-12100F, in all of its 5Ghz+ all-core glory! All that time before Coffee Lake, Intel was right! Who needs more than 4C/8T anyway?”
Games from 2023 & onwards towards both variants of me: [chuckling] *”I’m about to end both these men & the rest of their variants’ whole multiversal careers.”*
Your analogy makes me think you own a a45 amg S because it is/was the quickest 4 banger production engine ahaha
@@trcs3079 pssh I wish, I currently own a 2017 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport (basically a slightly smaller version of the regular Santa Fe) but without the 3rd row seats & the much more reliable 3.3L V6. No, sadly the only 2 engine options available for the Santa Fe Sport are the base 2.4L GDI 4-cylinder that's good for 185-HP & 180 lb-ft of torque with 21mpg city/27mpg highway/24mpg combined (this is what mine has -- and for the most part it's "good enough" to me, with my combined/average mpg usually around 26-28mpg) or the admittedly superior 2.0L turbocharged GDI 4-cylinder that blows past the 2.4L N/A option with 240-HP & 260 lb-ft of torque (the peak of said torque is @ 1,450 rpm, mind you) -- all while still pulling 20mpg city/28mpg highway/23mpg combined. The real issue here, however, is that both the 2.0T & 2.4L are part of the "Theta" family of GDI engines, and both make up the majority of the engine recall from Hyundai due to a few poor design choices. Needless to say, I'm not super worried about it as the engine in mine was replaced with a brand new one prior to me getting it and it also has a 12 month warranty on labor but the warranty on the engine itself is around 3 years or so iirc. Aside from me rather having the 2.0T (since it gets the same fuel economy pretty much) and AWD (mine is only FWD, and the AWD would help immensely where I live since roads can get really bad when it rains/snows/etc). All in all I really like it though. Stock system isn't too terrible, CarPlay/Android Auto (USB only, will get an adapter for wireless support soon) are great, cargo space is basically "best in class", and the fuel economy I get out of a vehicle of it's size is hard to complain about. The 2.4L CAN be decent, if you throw it into Sport Mode, turn off TSC, and elect to manually shift/downshift it...and have as few to no passengers or bulky stuff in the cargo hold as possible 😅 when I think about it though, it wasn't but 20-25 years ago when V6 trucks and SUVs (predominantly RWD) either made less than, equal to, or just ever so slightly more power & torque when compared to this 2.4L. Tbh I'm just lucky and thankful to have a reliable, spacious vehicle with "acceptable" performance and fuel efficiency for what it is. Last thing I'll add is that I just recently threw a kit of LEDs in the headlight housings to replace the halogen low beams cause I couldn't see for shit at night coming down country roads haha. And boy what a difference it made, especially when paired with the lower fog lights (will likely swap them for LEDs too though)
Have this cpu paired with an RTX 3080 at 1080p. Sure it bottlenecks bad but i get hundreds of frames at max settings in every game i play so it doesn’t really matter and i dont see any reason to upgrade
Iceberg, this motherboard lets you overclock the 12100F to 5ghz. ASRock B760M PG Riptide LGA 1700 DDR5 Micro ATX. And you can get 6000mhz on the ram easily, which totally changes the price to performance, which makes it on par with the 12400F and 5600x. You should try it out. It cost $130 here in the states.
Dunno if you can get one, in China 12300T is 30% cheaper than 12100F and has integrated graphics! Really like to see how they compare in terms of if they have any differences
Can you review the i5-10400F please!
I wonder what's going on with Dragon's Dogma 2. The 6700k has some bad framerate dips to around 30 in that town but none of that freezing or stuttering at all. Something is seriously wrong there.
I have a 12100f in my own pc, paired with an rx5700xt. It can do everything I ever wanted and beyond, playing most games at the highest settings at 1080p with 60+ fps. Even in vr it performs great, it'll drop sometimes with lots of assets in vrchat though.
Flight Simulator is the only game on the list that will actually use multiple graphics cards. If you have two of them, one will render the plane and the other will render the terrain.
The answer is:
Yes, ever since 10100(F) released and it was basically i3s being so back
They aren't that great in 2024 though. Good fps overall, but the lows can be real bad and better chips barely cost any more.
@@xPandamon I was talking since it was released, at that time you could throw any mid-range GPU at it and it wasn't slacking either
I actually use this CPU, I manually use it for development work on Linux, not really gaming or video editing. It's kinda alright, but I really wish I had gone AMD when I built this. For the same $100 USD I paid for it, I could have gotten significantly better value on team red.
F off with the American Psych* intro 😂 I died
fluid motion amd drivers bring the frame rate up significantly
Kinda leads to the question of how this CPU would fare against an older 6-core, such as the R5-1600 or 2600.
Also, I'm surprised how well the R3-3100 is handling itself, considering it's age.
As a 12600K haver, I found my CPU and Z690 mobo didn't much like XMPs past 5200MT/s, with more intense use cases like RT in Spidey Remastered and even casual FF14 play ending up causing bluescreens. I've been happy with my RAM closer to stock regardless, just vouching that issues can absolutely come from DDR5 XMP on the 12th gens! And all the more reason to look at a DDR4 build if the boards are in the same price range, especially if you're looking at a budget build.
What kind of motherboard do you have?
🙂 it depends on the exact motherboard and the exact sticks of ram, and ur suppose to update the bios everytime theres a new update, some boards and some ram sticks have better compatibility, what u can do is start with the official XMP setting and run MEMTEST86, if it fails then go into the bios and select the next lower ram speed and repeat the test until u get it to pass. Theres some boards and ram sticks pairings that can do over 7000 now and its stabil.
The bottle neck is crazzy
When it comes to the CPUs it went up against in the benchmarks, I think the 8700K was a good choice, though for the others I would have went with the 9700K/KF alongside the 8700K for older Intel and for AMD I would have went with the 3500X (or 3600 with SMT disabled for 6c/6t) and the Ryzen 7 1700.
Also for CPU testing I would go with a 1080p resolution max instead of 1440p to put more load on the CPU than GPU.
I've yet to test the 9700K, 3500X or 3600, though all three are chips I'm looking to test in the future. My 1700 data is out of date, using a different GPU and different games, so can't really be compared.
You can tune your ram and get lower latency. You can do it even on a b660 760 board. If you do that it matches the r5 5600. Even xmp ddr4 3600 which you can do on newer intel locked cpu would beat ddr 5 4800. Testing this at ddr 5 4800 without tuning the ram is lazy with the ipc of the 12100 should just be slightly slower than the 5600. Again you can change ram speed on b660 b760 and zboads you cant change voltages. Recommended samsung b die ddr4 and get work on geting the lowest latency possible since it is easier and ddr5 is a pain with the voltage locked.
12100f with bclk is actually very potent. >5.0 GHz is quite possible. It's too bad the external clock gen motherboards are too expensive
only if you set it at 150 bclk bro!
I've had a 5600x for a couple years now its definitely a capable chip but its kinda funny seeing it at the top lol
🙂 i think its the best chip for 125 bucks rite now, so thats why