@@CatWithAOpinionthat's indirect fire, essentially blind firing their general area and dropping ordinance onto them with an arc A better comparison would be like the guy with a bare bones m4 not being able to see what the sniper can with his scope (radar)
Just making the cyclic switching and constant elevation options toggleable through a keybind and/or the multi-function menu would make them much, much more usable. Being able to switch to manual mode to pick a target out of clutter or do a quick sweep at a nonstandard elevation before going back to automatic can be insanely valuable in certain situations, but as it is you need to click through multiple full screen menus to do that - plus it's basically a complete non-starter if you're in VR with a HOTAS.
What would be pretty cool is to have section in options where we can choose which different radar mods to have cyclic switching. So my "radar cursor" would automatically activate, so for TWS I would I click "cyclic switch for TWS mode" to "Off" so I could select targets myself just when I use TWS.
I literally just learned the correct way to pronounce "cyclic" in this context and it's too late to re-record. I blame my physics teacher for this one since that's how he pronounced it and I assumed it was correct
I agree with you that they should add a horizon line (and also a "snap to sight" button) for manual antenna elevation but I think manual antenna elevation already offers a massive advantage and puts you at a huge disadvantage for not using it. I think the reason you find it anoying to use is because your keybinds for it are not easily accessible which they need to be for this to actualy benefit you. I use Ctrl as my combo/modication key and I use Ctrl + W/A/S/D for radar pitch/yaw controll. With these controlls I find the radar controllability to be almost on par with ACM HMD which you yourself said is a huge advantage in your F-4S video.
I used to have the radar keys on ctrl+WASD/QE when I used to use the manual controls. There are definitely cases where it works perfectly like you said. But by its nature it will never be as accurate for quickly going to the exact spot of sky you want to scan as mouse input will, and my main issue is that it's ground stabilized, so there were a lot of situations where even if I knew where my target was and I had the scan over him I still had to "hunt" because of how the UI handles the radar symbology at weird angles. It just doesn't feel like a complete feature and I don't find using the constant elevation option to be a disadvantage so I went back. Especially with the state of BVR right now.
Man first of all i wanna thank you for this video... Started playing the Mirage IIIE and was so happy to unlock it, but was sucking ass trying to get a lock, tried everything... Then i followed this video steps, and finnaly, first match got a lock, and a kill with the 530. God bless you
this is my favorite war thunder channel due to the great editing, good gameplay/in-game examples of what you’re talking about, all while still being informative about the game in a short and digestible video format.
The manual cursor control is actually very useful for frinding out the modifications in assualt air arcade mode make it much easier to launch at different bombers in a wave
nice thing to do with the first tip of controlling the radar lock manually is if you have a controller or one that you arent using plug it in and configure one of joysticks to play that part taking if you are already using the arrows for something else orrr if you are using that controller you can also use the D-pad for that and still have both joysticks free to maneuver the aircraft
II think manual radar elevation is underrated. Just for the fact that you can climb AND still be able to detect the enemy is so good. I've just known about this control like a day ago, and I don't think I'm ever changing back.
It was nice to see your take on radar controls from a more RB Perspective. Personally as someone who only plays sim i find the radar antenna angling and manual cursor to be most useful no matter what im flying but i can see why you would use the easier option sometimes.
I personally only use manual because at least back in the day, I found that using the automatic mode would never allow you to lock a target that is further away, if there were targets infront of you (Back before the AI aircraft were delayed, that meant to me, that you could not lock onto enemy players because the cursor would only jump between the AI planes and not to the actual players behind them.)
I feel like I already have way too much information overload when I'm playing top-tier battles, so adding manual radar controls on top of that is just too much of a hassle. I have nothing with TWS yet, and I'm honestly not that great with SARHs to begin with, only having used them to good effect in my F-16A ADF. Basic controls seem adequate for the AIM-7M.
Best war thunder jets channel as always. Personally, I find malual antenna elevation more convenient than moving nose up and down. Yes it's terrible implemeted in the game but it's the only way to know that's going on around without excessive maneuvering.
I personally use the manual cursor controls for my radar but I leave constant elevation on. Just being able to precisely select what target I want to track is super useful especially with how hectic air RB is right now, having 16v16. In pretty much all situations, if i need a quick lock, there is ACM mode or the HMD. It's really just an argument of simplicity and speed vs accuracy. I think most players are better served with cyclic though (or just ignoring them and using ACM/HMD lol)
It would be nice if the radar elevation would be in relation yo the nose of the aircraft and not the horizon. So for example you lower your radar so that it scans from 0° elevation to -20° in relation to your nose, so as you move around the radar still follows. Idk if its realistic but it would make that option much more useful
I have targets cyclic switching of aircraft radar off but constant elevation of radar antenna on. I like to be able to choose exactly which target to lock. I’m also used to it because I play VTOL VR often. And I’ve been using it off for a while now and have gotten pretty fast at it
I hate how the cyclic cursor sometimes gets stuck between the same 2 contacts, but manual cursor control is nearly useless in the cluster fuck that is air rb.
i use manuel radar control all the time in mig29 if i wanna bvr it comes handy and if i happen to be in mid map chaos i can just change it to hmd so i dont need to worry about if the cursor is on the target or not
I remember setting all this up after I first unlocked the MiG-29, only to almost never use it; unless I'm climbing to 10k meters, and the ONLY thing I am focusing on is BVR, because otherwise it's both too distracting and slow when I'm on the deck with danger close.
How did you setup the scenarios in the video? For example @2:59 where you have multiple bandits coming towards you spread out. Edit: Also @6:22, thanks in advance!
@@jaek_898 Oh ok, just looked up CDK mission editor and oh boy that will take some time to learn! Really I just want a large map where I can take off with an aircraft and fire missiles towards aircraft far away like in your video. Any tips on how to do this/things to avoid?
@@bpop2148 I can just give you the mission files I made in my discord, I'm not sure how to spawn a plane on the runway but there's some really old tutorials and I don't think the CDK has changed in the past 10 years
Id never go back to cyclic switching. Being on a controller i have tied to dpad left and right stick movement to slew the radar. Same for radar elevation (dpad right, right stick left and up) You get used to the limiations fairly fast imo
Yeah it is a pain cuz you can't really change it reliably while you are maneuvering. Unless I'm doing something wrong and some planes are better than others. Maybe it's because it's a gyroscope in there and it's not supposed to turn while you're turning. I don't know.
In my opinion, as soon as you get to a radar with TWS, you need to use manual locking. TWS with automatic cycling is just so annoying. Otherwise, when I go back to lower br, I turn the target cycling back on
I don’t get how you can dislike antenna elevation, like if you’re flying on the deck and want to lock someone above you you can just elevate your antenna and not pitch up and instantly become a target. Like thats a big part of top tier gameplay.
Because I cant have it stay fixed relative to my nose, and it takes time to figure out where the antenna is and to adjust it to where I need it to be. Being able to tilt it up and down is nice but having it stuck to the horizon is not. And like I talked about, the symbology for it is really bare bones. Theres a reason most people dont use it.
Manual radar controls like cursor and elevation are better specifically if you are at the start of the game and like to partake in BVR. However in the furball of Air RB, you simply dont have the time to slowly slew your radar around opposed to just pointing your plane at the enemy.
At that point just use the vertical radar boresight for acm mode, it's like 10x40° on most aircraft that have it and the f14 has two with the same degree coverage except the second one is literally like a direct 90° vertical scan lmao
no those options stay off, its not worth learning with them on beacuase theyre heavily limiting radar abilities. only one aircraft you turn those setting on for and thats the f8E. otherwise off is just better.
@@KiryacheFN the hell is that suppoesed to mean?. those setting on, in high tier is so much worse because picking a target will be too hard and take to long, and constant elevation will limit your ability to lock people while climbing or descending having them on is just plain worse.
@@fabrizioconza8716 arrow keys for cursor, numpad plus minus for tilt, and num5 for lock. I also have lock on mousehweel tilt but i dont use it when using these options
@@williewilson2250 yeah but it still 104 max even with other radars with 104+ range they always lock 104. I've tried in custom user missions maps that are 200km+ and it still 104 😔
Being a fan of Jaek is like being a fan of BVR before radar was invented
Fact checked by a jaek fan
If you keep this up my heads gonna explode
Now that I think about it, is artillery a form of BVR combat?
@@CatWithAOpinionthat's indirect fire, essentially blind firing their general area and dropping ordinance onto them with an arc
A better comparison would be like the guy with a bare bones m4 not being able to see what the sniper can with his scope (radar)
@@Goober_____he honestly will
Just making the cyclic switching and constant elevation options toggleable through a keybind and/or the multi-function menu would make them much, much more usable. Being able to switch to manual mode to pick a target out of clutter or do a quick sweep at a nonstandard elevation before going back to automatic can be insanely valuable in certain situations, but as it is you need to click through multiple full screen menus to do that - plus it's basically a complete non-starter if you're in VR with a HOTAS.
What would be pretty cool is to have section in options where we can choose which different radar mods to have cyclic switching. So my "radar cursor" would automatically activate, so for TWS I would I click "cyclic switch for TWS mode" to "Off" so I could select targets myself just when I use TWS.
I literally just learned the correct way to pronounce "cyclic" in this context and it's too late to re-record. I blame my physics teacher for this one since that's how he pronounced it and I assumed it was correct
I think either way works tbh, I use both interchangeably
If we all just agreed that "cyclic" is pronounced the way you pronounce it, are you still pronounceing it incorrectly?🤔
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I agree with you that they should add a horizon line (and also a "snap to sight" button) for manual antenna elevation but I think manual antenna elevation already offers a massive advantage and puts you at a huge disadvantage for not using it.
I think the reason you find it anoying to use is because your keybinds for it are not easily accessible which they need to be for this to actualy benefit you. I use Ctrl as my combo/modication key and I use Ctrl + W/A/S/D for radar pitch/yaw controll.
With these controlls I find the radar controllability to be almost on par with ACM HMD which you yourself said is a huge advantage in your F-4S video.
I used to have the radar keys on ctrl+WASD/QE when I used to use the manual controls. There are definitely cases where it works perfectly like you said. But by its nature it will never be as accurate for quickly going to the exact spot of sky you want to scan as mouse input will, and my main issue is that it's ground stabilized, so there were a lot of situations where even if I knew where my target was and I had the scan over him I still had to "hunt" because of how the UI handles the radar symbology at weird angles. It just doesn't feel like a complete feature and I don't find using the constant elevation option to be a disadvantage so I went back. Especially with the state of BVR right now.
Man i love this channel, very informative about anything.
After 3 years of using completely manual. I find it much more reliable in every way :)
Man first of all i wanna thank you for this video...
Started playing the Mirage IIIE and was so happy to unlock it, but was sucking ass trying to get a lock, tried everything...
Then i followed this video steps, and finnaly, first match got a lock, and a kill with the 530.
God bless you
this is my favorite war thunder channel due to the great editing, good gameplay/in-game examples of what you’re talking about, all while still being informative about the game in a short and digestible video format.
The manual cursor control is actually very useful for frinding out the modifications in assualt air arcade mode make it much easier to launch at different bombers in a wave
nice thing to do with the first tip of controlling the radar lock manually is
if you have a controller or one that you arent using plug it in and configure one of joysticks to play that part
taking if you are already using the arrows for something else
orrr
if you are using that controller you can also use the D-pad for that and still have both joysticks free to maneuver the aircraft
The thing with elevation really helped.
II think manual radar elevation is underrated. Just for the fact that you can climb AND still be able to detect the enemy is so good. I've just known about this control like a day ago, and I don't think I'm ever changing back.
It was nice to see your take on radar controls from a more RB Perspective.
Personally as someone who only plays sim i find the radar antenna angling and manual cursor to be most useful no matter what im flying but i can see why you would use the easier option sometimes.
I personally only use manual because at least back in the day, I found that using the automatic mode would never allow you to lock a target that is further away, if there were targets infront of you (Back before the AI aircraft were delayed, that meant to me, that you could not lock onto enemy players because the cursor would only jump between the AI planes and not to the actual players behind them.)
great video . straight forward and understandable thank you.
I feel like I already have way too much information overload when I'm playing top-tier battles, so adding manual radar controls on top of that is just too much of a hassle. I have nothing with TWS yet, and I'm honestly not that great with SARHs to begin with, only having used them to good effect in my F-16A ADF. Basic controls seem adequate for the AIM-7M.
Best war thunder jets channel as always. Personally, I find malual antenna elevation more convenient than moving nose up and down. Yes it's terrible implemeted in the game but it's the only way to know that's going on around without excessive maneuvering.
I personally use the manual cursor controls for my radar but I leave constant elevation on. Just being able to precisely select what target I want to track is super useful especially with how hectic air RB is right now, having 16v16. In pretty much all situations, if i need a quick lock, there is ACM mode or the HMD.
It's really just an argument of simplicity and speed vs accuracy. I think most players are better served with cyclic though (or just ignoring them and using ACM/HMD lol)
wow, just what i needed at the moment. cyclic switching IS a mess lmao
It would be nice if the radar elevation would be in relation yo the nose of the aircraft and not the horizon. So for example you lower your radar so that it scans from 0° elevation to -20° in relation to your nose, so as you move around the radar still follows. Idk if its realistic but it would make that option much more useful
I have targets cyclic switching of aircraft radar off but constant elevation of radar antenna on.
I like to be able to choose exactly which target to lock. I’m also used to it because I play VTOL VR often. And I’ve been using it off for a while now and have gotten pretty fast at it
Elitist here. In situations where speed is actually important to your survival, you're in ACM range anyway.
I hate how the cyclic cursor sometimes gets stuck between the same 2 contacts, but manual cursor control is nearly useless in the cluster fuck that is air rb.
Now this is content we needed 🔥
i use manuel radar control all the time in mig29 if i wanna bvr it comes handy and if i happen to be in mid map chaos i can just change it to hmd so i dont need to worry about if the cursor is on the target or not
I remember setting all this up after I first unlocked the MiG-29, only to almost never use it; unless I'm climbing to 10k meters, and the ONLY thing I am focusing on is BVR, because otherwise it's both too distracting and slow when I'm on the deck with danger close.
How did you setup the scenarios in the video? For example @2:59 where you have multiple bandits coming towards you spread out.
Edit: Also @6:22, thanks in advance!
CDK mission. I'm not good at using the CDK so it took a surprising amount of trial and error to get it to work
@@jaek_898 Oh ok, just looked up CDK mission editor and oh boy that will take some time to learn! Really I just want a large map where I can take off with an aircraft and fire missiles towards aircraft far away like in your video. Any tips on how to do this/things to avoid?
@@bpop2148 I can just give you the mission files I made in my discord, I'm not sure how to spawn a plane on the runway but there's some really old tutorials and I don't think the CDK has changed in the past 10 years
@@jaek_898 thank you very much! I will join your discord when I have the chance
Great video!
I use full manual controls +acm mode in my games, works just fine fur me.
not even 1 minute into the video and im already long lost
I still use cyclic target switching but have found more success in my F-14 and F-16 will constant radar elevation off.
Would be great to have an in-game toogle for free modes in-game instead always hit the options. Also making the symbols smaller would be great
Personally I find ALT+WASD much better for the cue controls. It allows you to still manipulate the aircraft with your mouse while picking targets.
I use that for guided weapons like bullpup
Id never go back to cyclic switching.
Being on a controller i have tied to dpad left and right stick movement to slew the radar.
Same for radar elevation (dpad right, right stick left and up)
You get used to the limiations fairly fast imo
Jaek bouta pass my boy Lee in subs 😂
He's literally outgrowing me
Yeah it is a pain cuz you can't really change it reliably while you are maneuvering. Unless I'm doing something wrong and some planes are better than others. Maybe it's because it's a gyroscope in there and it's not supposed to turn while you're turning. I don't know.
In my opinion, as soon as you get to a radar with TWS, you need to use manual locking. TWS with automatic cycling is just so annoying.
Otherwise, when I go back to lower br, I turn the target cycling back on
Hey could you do a viggen over view, they are very under rated jets atm
If only the radar was locked to the nose angle, but still able to be angled up and down was an option
I don’t get how you can dislike antenna elevation, like if you’re flying on the deck and want to lock someone above you you can just elevate your antenna and not pitch up and instantly become a target. Like thats a big part of top tier gameplay.
Because I cant have it stay fixed relative to my nose, and it takes time to figure out where the antenna is and to adjust it to where I need it to be. Being able to tilt it up and down is nice but having it stuck to the horizon is not.
And like I talked about, the symbology for it is really bare bones. Theres a reason most people dont use it.
Manual radar controls like cursor and elevation are better specifically if you are at the start of the game and like to partake in BVR. However in the furball of Air RB, you simply dont have the time to slowly slew your radar around opposed to just pointing your plane at the enemy.
At that point just use the vertical radar boresight for acm mode, it's like 10x40° on most aircraft that have it and the f14 has two with the same degree coverage except the second one is literally like a direct 90° vertical scan lmao
At this point, Gaijin themselves might aswell subscribe to this Chanel and 1:1 copy his suggestions to improve the game
no those options stay off, its not worth learning with them on beacuase theyre heavily limiting radar abilities. only one aircraft you turn those setting on for and thats the f8E. otherwise off is just better.
Stop spreading misinformation
@@KiryacheFN the hell is that suppoesed to mean?. those setting on, in high tier is so much worse because picking a target will be too hard and take to long, and constant elevation will limit your ability to lock people while climbing or descending having them on is just plain worse.
Unfortunately, no one fights bvr anymore on warthunder top tier
YUGE
Hey I love your vids, can you please play the F-86K, I need some tips lol
do you have a radar guide? just for general stuff like TWS
Yes, I worked with DEFYN on it, it's on his channel. I'm planning on either updating it or making a "jets 101" video in general
@@jaek_898 thanks
what keys do u use for these 3 options?
@@fabrizioconza8716 arrow keys for cursor, numpad plus minus for tilt, and num5 for lock. I also have lock on mousehweel tilt but i dont use it when using these options
showing the STECS as the first hotas, man has some standards
I will forever shill for it, it's just that good.
yea like i would even have jets that can bvr
Manual all day.
being a fan of Jaek is like subscribing to missile combat before missiles have been invented
How the hell did you get a lock from 177 km the max I alway get is 104km
My guess would be F-14 and costum user mission moment
Bigger map size for cdk and the f14 radar is the most raw amount of energy a radar can have lmao
@@williewilson2250 yeah but it still 104 max even with other radars with 104+ range they always lock 104. I've tried in custom user missions maps that are 200km+ and it still 104 😔
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Larper content! First the F111 and now this! Unsubbing!
womp womp
ur add choices are horrible