I scrolled a lot through the comments, I mean A LOT. I found lots of hate (no surprise), but I haven’t found any comment appreciating the quality of this video and the work that went into it. So thanks DF, I really enjoyed this video! Very well done.
If you want lip sync to look better you have got to turn on monster hunter language in the settings. I dont mind reading subtitles so this mode is fantastic IMO. The fact that they created a unique sounding language just for their franchise is spectacular!
To be fair, I didn't expect Monster Hunter World to be a milestone of video game history when it comes to graphics and performance. What I did expect, however, was being able to hunt monsters the size of Bruce Wayne's living quarters, and in that regard I was not disappointed.
Huge Ass Big Crown DevilJho is really huge, at the point of making it hard to play. Also there was the huge Barroth with the SF5 collaboration, it was great to see him obscuring the sun, with godrays around him. Weird thing I had more pleasure fighting a small crown deviljho than a big. The fight was more tactic.
Not synced to the Japanese either. It's synced to the Monster Hunter language, oddly enough lol. Every game before this had just Monster Hunter language like Sims' language (no actual understandable VA) with subtitles, but now they have regular English/Japanese VA too but it's still synced to if you use the MH fictional language option lol.
It's beautiful to know that I understand perfectly your humour! I think MH3 on Wii looks gorgeous, but here resolution man is obsessed with graphics and yet understands NOTHING of design and putting love into a game. The perfect example are N64 games, well many others too. Men like this created the game Crysis, the most boring game ever made.
@@Azakadune kids aren't allowed to vote, adults can because they're experienced, same as Games and everything, you can't just debate on a Game with a lot of sequels and prequels just because you know one game, that's like trying to figure out the Story of Fate series while only watching FGO
I have a dream that one day people will realize that both console and PC have their own place in the gaming industry and just enjoy their games no matter what the platform is.
Having a blast playing on my standard PS4. Even though it's rough on consoles, the more people playing MHW the better. Looking forward to having the PC crowd joining later in the year. Happy hunting out there :)
I just absolutely love to watch videos with John's commentary! He is the absolutely professional of his work! Too bad he doesn't comment all the videos in DF (((
I have it on PS4 and have been playing it all week, it's a blast. The frame rate is a bit choppy but it hasn't effected my enjoyment of the game at all. People really need to start pulling their heads out of their asses.
Basically if you enjoy monster hunter you will enjoy it on anything you play. So don't listen to any fanboys because no console is a winner here enjoy monster hunter on what ever you like cheers
I just finished the main story on PS4 and hadn't really noticed the frame drops until I watched other people play. You can tell it's unlocked because it tends to look like it speeds up when the framerate spikes but I'm so focused on reading the monster I can't tell when it's below 20 for half a second.
Thanks for the Video, Jon. As a first-time, 4k TV user (got a mu6290 40-inch this sunday) I've had a difficult time telling the modes apart, mainly due to the 120hz mode (I'm still trying a find a way to temporarily switch to 60hz for certain things). So this explanation of how each mode works will definitely have me leaning towards the graphics option being that it seems like a nice mix of performance and graphical fidelity, at least for the Xbox one X. But, I have to agree with the other comments here about people just happy of finally getting a console version of MH, myself included. I'm playing with two friends whom I've played MH since the PS2 who just wanted a console port. One of them is running a first gen Xbone while the other is using an "S" model. They've both took a week off work to clock in as many hours as they can and they're still playing.
there has been a mention of optimizations coming in the patch that will hit on the 22nd, I wonder if that will mean more consistent performance and not just strictly load times to/from areas since an SSD or SSHD already solves that issue
I would like to see Digital Foundry take a look at this game's expansion Iceborne since it made some changes with the game's visuals and added more options for HDR brightness adjustment.
Why are consoles targeting 4k when we haven't even mastered the 1080p 60fps trope? Higher resolution is useless when framerates are horrible. Both is especially bad however. Good game, terrible optimization. Also, man consoles are underpowered.
Bobtart12 Because it's more appealing to sell a console for "4K UHD HDR," even if it means the framerate goes to hell. But yeah, it's stupid beyond belief.
Resolution and framerate are nice numbers that can be variable. People generally goes for what sound prettiest. Anyone that actually cares goes out and buys top end PC hardware and changes the hardware as their performance dips. 60fps is not and has never been a requirement for gaming despite what elitists try to say. The game runs excellently on "underpowered" hardware, as you say.
This game is just so much fun and looks beautiful in HDR on OLED screen. Love it! And I prefer the performance mode, frame-rate over the resolution and graphics, always.
Dear Digital Foundry, Would it be possible for you guys to make another video like this now that the major Iceborne expansion has landed and brings with it some visuals that look fantastic (and demanding for the hardware) Personally I'm interest in the One X/PS4 Pro comparison but older hardware could be interesting as well! Especially if the updated original areas run at more stable and/or higher framerates (I'm also interested to see what impact all the base game patches have made on the general performance of the two consoles, could be interesting to see if one console optimized more than the other) Hope you read this & thanks if you did! -A Random Subscriber
I own both the pro and the X and ended up getting both versions but i do play it on the X cause of the bit more horse power and frame-rate in the end its a great game for either consoles they both feel great imo and once i get burned out i will wait to pick it up again for pc can’t wait 😊
Black Widow yes on Xbox for now you have to do it all on your own. But you can and probably where carried through the game by your friends on ps4. That makes you worse.
In my normal xbox one, for the first few hours, it gave me about 20-25 fps going around astera and ancient forest. It got significantly smoother (34+ fps) in wildspire. After I got my main quests in wildspire the fps stabilized hovering around 30+ for all maps except astera. I'm not sure why it's a lot smoother after the first parts of the storyline. Can anyone explain?
Tony Vallescas hey man i just got the original xbox one its all i could afford im getting MHW soon and i have to ask you, did you still enjoy the game even though the frame drops were bad in the first map?
I'm at 178 hours, so I clearly love it! It's not a story-focused game, but for how interesting the lore is the story-line still sucked. But that's ok because I bought this game for the gameplay and it delivered. The gameplay, the maps, and everything else about the game is amazing. It's an extremely addicting game and you should definitely buy it if the trailers/videos interest you. I converted my skeptic friend haha and now he's 90+ hours into the game.
Tony Vallescas haha yah I know monster hunter has never been known for its storyline, I’ve been playing since freedom 2 the second game, all the way to generations and world soon enough, I bought the Xbox just for this game 😍🤷♂️ my main question is, is the frame drop affecting the gameplay in those areas where the frames drop very low? I mean it’s not super laggy or anything when ur going at a monster? Right? That’s my concern
So if you're gaming on a 1080p screen, which PS4 Pro mode is best? Would resolution make sense (is it like supersampling)? Or should we just stick graphics since the performance mode seems to be a bust with the uncapped frame rate?
I simply hate how some (seemingly more and more) developers don't give a shit about optimization anymore. Apart from performance mode the other two should utilize a 30 fps cap and the overall impression would be night and day.
Things aren't always that simple. Games like this have gone through the source codes of hundreds of developers to come together into a releasable game. Inconsistencies happen and adding certain features may require the reworking of frameworks/API which simply may not be worth the time/money (to just name two of the billions of problems that may involve implementing features). Game developers want nothing more than to bring you a optimized, playable, and fun game but sometimes to make that happen they have to nitpick what implementations are the most important to making this happen and sometimes they have to leave out certain things to make it happen.
This presentation is so clean and grafically beautiful that made me think about an argument that is not very clear and discussed on the internet: the brightness or the brightness sliders in the videogames. I mean, after playing quite a bit in sdr(i can't stand the hdr in this game)with a (sort of.....i used rtings settings, except for the backlight setting) calibrated xf90,for the first time I felt that something was off, i mean, there was a white tint over the entire screen that made the image a little too much washed out; after using the in-game slider it became a lot better but...i'm not sure if it's correct or not, so, if it's possible, could you discuss about this topic in one of your videos? the "correct" image the creators had in their minds, is the one that follows the in-game sliders? Sorry for the delay of the comment(and maybe my english, i'm very rusty) but i just got the game three days ago, and I started wondering since then.
is it possible for capcom to add a frame rate lock for the base consoles at 30 fps in a future patch or can this only be done before launching the game to the public?
Yo DF guys, there has been some crazy audio compression issues in the past couple videos you've uploaded where suddenly the audio layers mess up and it sounds bad.
Are there audio issues lately? I've been hearing distortions every so often. This video and the most recent Shadow of Colossus review. It's not my PC though because I noticed it from my phone as well. Something's up.
Peter Parker Its going to be like ps4 vs xbox one. They will accept that the other is more powerful. They will forget abiut this and go on with their lives. Well that is if they even have lives to begin with.
hello i would like to ask you a question, in the graphics mode the oneX is better or not (resolution, blur, popping, etc) or not? ... sorry i MUST know ... and great job
You weren't in the Great Spectrum Vs C64 war of the early '80s. We thought we were fighting the pointless war to end up pointless wars, but it turned out to be pointless.
Mr. Swagginz Overeatch Pro: 1080p 8x msaa | X: 2160p 16x msaa. The evil Within X 1800p close to the max pc setting | Pro: 1080p Bro, i just saying 2, i could go on and on forever with a lot of games that are 4k on X and 1440p on Pro or even less on pro with lower graphical presets! Its NOT a little diference 2-3-4 Times more pixels, better shading and details... When peoples say "Pro is a mistake" is because it is an worthless Hardware that get little to no improves over original Ps4 when by other hand we see massive improves in games on X! Cost more but do much more than pro...
Remarkable how it's 2018 and there's still games that come without (the option for) a framerate cap. Same goes for missing fov sliders and anti-headbob-option to fight motion sickness.
Dankisimo Consoles need to be affordable for the general public. Not everyone is able or willing to pay a thousand bucks or more for a heavy duty gaming PC. You remember the uproars when both PS2 and PS3 were released because of how expensive they were?
If my TV is only 1080p, will I still see a benefit from using the Resolution mode? (Playstation 4 Pro) Or would you recommend sticking to Graphics mode instead?
I always feel like people forget about Monster hunter 3 ultimate on Wii U. Considering it was the last “home console” monster hunter. And yet no one seems to be comparing ultimate 3 and world. They just keep comparing to the 3ds games.
Christian Young because the 3ds and wii u game uses the graphics from way back in ps2 days. They can just compare ps2 graphics cause I wont make any difference.. well other than those jagged edges ofcourse.
So, does anyone else on PS4 Pro/Xbox One X notice that framerate mode has been boosted quite a bit? I'm on Xbox One X and just after the last patch, I noticed a HUGE uptick in frames on the framerate mode. It hits 60fps a lot more than it did at launch. For those of you with a Pro or One X, check out framerate mode... it's definitely improved over day one.
They shouldn't hold a console because of agreements , this is one of those cases where we can see what an agreement with sony can do , to hold back the xbox one x power at least in the resolution area it just feel wrong. I own all 4 console , but this is not the correct way to make a game.
I own all the consoles too; The issue here is Capcom doing a bad job optimizing the game. Even if you have a deal with Sony how about you spend time on each console and get the best out of each. There's no reason why the game should run so bad on any of them consoles. They just used the Pro as their bench; did the best they could on that ( wasn't good even on that) and then made bad ports to the rest. Very crappy job from capcom.
nestersan Carl J is correct. Me saying I have all the consoles is not meant as a humble brag. I say that so it is known that it's not about Xbox or Playstation or Pc for me. I want the devs to do the best they can with each platform the release on. That way when fan boys want to have the platform Wars conversations it's based on facts and the best each platform offers. Having that type of conversation now isn't fair to any platform because the developer didn't do their job and optimized for each platform like they should have.
K Asante bad job? Do you realize that there's such a thing like time restraints and budget for developing games? I doubt they did a bad job as they did great with the game overall.
So I have a 720p TV still and a Xbox One X, should I use the graphics mode and will it downsample the 1080p to 720p @DigitalFoundry / John? Or will it run in 720p and run even faster? Never found any info regarding 720p TVs and what these new consoles do on those.
1800p on Pro but checkerboarded. Am I crazy? In the past, didn’t Digital Foundry reveal the base resolution if a game was checkerboarded? In other words, 1400p checkerboarded up to 1800p? The narrator states he was surprised the Pro performed better in resolution mode than x1x because the resolution is also higher on the pro. By his own words he said that the Pro was not a native 1800p but checkerboarded to get there. Is checkerboarded 1800p the equivalent to native 1800p nowadays? It’s obvious that the devs used two different techniques on the consoles and utilized that technique across all versions of that brand. On Sony’s side they utilized some sort of checkerboarding technique and ran with that across the board. On Microsoft’s side they kept things in native resolution with a scaling LOD system. You would think that it would make sense to utilize the checkerboard technique across all versions if that yields better results.
Mr Smith - I thought Rainbow Six Siege used it first and there are other multi platform titles that use the technique. Anyways, after researching, it seems the simplified answer to checkerboarding is roughly half the pixels on screen are live and half are artifacts from the previous frame. This is oddly similar to the old 1080i (interlaced) screens of the mid 2000’s. 1080i TVs showed half the horizontal pixel stack at a time while 720p screens were full “progressive” pixels. There were huge online wars between which was better; 1080i or 720p. 720p eventually won out but was quickly surpassed by 1080p. Most cable companies still feed us a 720p source which is up scaled as “HD”. Sad.
warlok9 checkerboarding is a game engine supported feature. It's not a PS4, Xbox or PC technology since there are titles on PC that give you the option to use it.
Capcom somehow managed to get a lower resolution on a 6TFLOPS console than a 4.2 tflops console how the fuck is that even possible obviously they prioritized the ps4 pro version and half assesd the xb1x version
It's possible because you didn't listen. The Pro isn't a native 1800p, it's checkerboarded where the X's "lower" resolution is a native 1728p A native resolution will always be better than a checkerboarded one and the 1728 probably still looks better overall and from what John said, that seems to be the case here. You could complain the X doesn't also use checkerboarding to hit 4k, but the Pro is probably only running at around 1440p, maybe even lower.
TheFreeToaster i listend but if u see the image quality comparison side by side xb1x version looks washed out and doesnt have as much detail and depth as ps4 pro version thats my problem
While nothing can be done about those missing pieces of foliage in the distance he flat out says the X versions still looks better as far as resolution goes, which was your initial complaint.
I'd wish you'd upload with the 1440p option on UA-cam if for nothing else for the extra bitrate it allows, even if the source footage/video you want to upload is only 1080p it is STILL WORTH IT. Just saying, I've seen other UA-camrs like TotalBiscuit do it even when they were only capturing 1080p gameplay. There are ways ;)
I complained about the FPS, but got used to it after a few hours of playing. I wouldn't bother if it was a mediocre game but since its so good I can look past this.
Played about 15 hours on Pro in resolution mode - there is no visible stutter or 'judder' at all. If you slow it down and analyse it then yeah, you will see it - but when playing it you can't tell due to the motion blur and post effects, it looks and plays smooth
I play on a PS4 Pro and use performance, and most of the time I can’t even tell even if my FPS does drop, because the fluidity Of the game still makes it look smooth as hell - i was honestly blown away when I watched this video and he said it only ran at 35-45 FPS lol
Is there a performance difference between the base Xbox One and the One S? From what I understand it's about 10% more powerful, so ideally it'll boost performance enough to help stabilize it.
I wonder what the game might have looked like if it was developed with the Switch in mind as well. From my very limited viewpoint, it looks like it may have been possible to reduce things like foliage, draw distance, texture quality, etc and maybe add some degree of loading between areas (though not to the extent of the 3DS games) while running at a lower resolution to get this to work on Switch. I'm sure players used to the 3DS for monster hunter would not have minded a middle ground in terms of image quality between the higher end consoles and the 3DS...
DigitalFoundry Great review. Thank you. The game is very fun :) Sounds like the devs need to hire consultants to help them refine these final patches. Especially if they plan to keep using this game engine. They should be able to hit locked 30 on all consoles and 60fps on Pro and X. :-/
Can't believe they're missing whats graphical details missing between all those modes. I wished they do more details on this. at least show the comparison on graphical details between performance and resolution mode.
So it looks like Capcom just used the basic tools of the x1x SDK to "enhance" the game and they did that because Microsoft makes it essentially a button press where on the Pro you actually have to go into the game and do most of the work yourself. It also looks like capcoms MT Framework is better optimized for PS4 and Pro which makes sense since the PS4 is the #1 console and was (along with the PRO) the most powerful. This is highly unfortunate because i had planned on buying this game as soon as i saw what DF had to say. I have the pro and x1x but all i see here is Capcom being lazy. I will wait for the PC version where i know ill be able to run at 4k60 or at least 1800p 60 with no problems...and ill also wait until its on sale because i dont like to reward a company for being lazy. So the pc version was delayed for optimization although we will see if thats really the case soon enough. Such a shame reallly. Step up your game capcom....seriously
What bothers the crap out of me is that the font is too small or too hard too see due to the flat colors. Another thing is the markers in the map are not very visable. They are too small and do not pop out even when you toggle what you want to find. This is a serious problem and yes, I am playing on a 46 inch screen while only 15 feet away. My friend has a projector with a 60 inch plus screen with the same problem! Font's and markers need to be better visible!
864p/25fps with motion blur and lack of other various options I can't adjust is pretty disappointing. I think I"ll wait for the PC version. Plus it's a good enough excuse for me to stop paying for Xbox Live lmao
These videos are always interesting and but for the love of God I'm so happy that I'm not obsessed with resolutions or frame rate. It's painful to watch people complain about such trivial stuff.
Frame rate trivial when you’re complaining about 1 frame differences during gameplay. I prefer the performance mode cause I can’t see the spikes and falls during gameplay, but I can see the difference between 30 and ~45 during regular moments
Lead Programmer tells Famitsu lower res + mesh distant foliage was basically 'free' using Pro's FP16 - and used lower precision light reaction/specular glimmer/shadow cast, before LoD transition (with no visual impact at that distance). Probably explains the strange-to-see farther vegetation draw distance on Pro.
Great analysis, but I wish there were more demanding situations in this test. I'm playing on the PS4 Pro and many fights with four people and weapon effects are unplayable stutter-fests in Resolution Mode. I have to play in Performance Mode to get anywhere close to >30 fps consistently.
Thks for the vid was waiting for this, i just hope capcom look into this issues and roll out some patches would like to see a capp on fps on all consoles, am on the ps4 but the x box one x should run this game like a beast imo.
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I scrolled a lot through the comments, I mean A LOT. I found lots of hate (no surprise), but I haven’t found any comment appreciating the quality of this video and the work that went into it. So thanks DF, I really enjoyed this video! Very well done.
Digital Foundry are Microsoft fanboys that's why
I think you could miss the part, when there's 6k likes on this video.
@@meiinuyasha
Give sources or don’t speak.
Well, the performance is better on Xbox One X.
If you want lip sync to look better you have got to turn on monster hunter language in the settings. I dont mind reading subtitles so this mode is fantastic IMO. The fact that they created a unique sounding language just for their franchise is spectacular!
To be fair, I didn't expect Monster Hunter World to be a milestone of video game history when it comes to graphics and performance. What I did expect, however, was being able to hunt monsters the size of Bruce Wayne's living quarters, and in that regard I was not disappointed.
You can hunt bigger monsters already in the earlier MH games
but not THAT big.
Huge Ass Big Crown DevilJho is really huge, at the point of making it hard to play. Also there was the huge Barroth with the SF5 collaboration, it was great to see him obscuring the sun, with godrays around him. Weird thing I had more pleasure fighting a small crown deviljho than a big. The fight was more tactic.
Vornok Oneleg yeah they are bigger.. Zorah is big and all but have you seen a dalamadur??
I think you can blame the lip sync issue on the fact that this game comes with I think 5 language options. So I think I can forgive it for that lol
For real... I see complaints about this so much but when I put the language on Monster Hunter language it's good...
Maybe lip sync is in japanise
Lip sync is definitely in Japanese
Not synced to the Japanese either. It's synced to the Monster Hunter language, oddly enough lol. Every game before this had just Monster Hunter language like Sims' language (no actual understandable VA) with subtitles, but now they have regular English/Japanese VA too but it's still synced to if you use the MH fictional language option lol.
Oh, weird.
I like this channel but I hate the comment section
TheSilentCosmonaut yeah toxic af
Itt:soyboy
TheSilentCosmonaut its the playground of the moron down here.
Then don't read them
Way to many fangirls/trolls in this community sadly
Abandon all hope ye who enters the comment section, for respect, common sense & basic intelligence has been lost to the console wars.
Maclean Ho tflop measuring contest
Common sense = don’t buy the One X
Intelligence = support the PS4 with its amazing library of exclusive games
Simples :-)
Sad isn’t it?
Amazing comment, thank you!
Why don't you play it on PC then? Oh.... that's right.
The Adventures of Resolution Man and 1800p Cat!
It's beautiful to know that I understand perfectly your humour! I think MH3 on Wii looks gorgeous, but here resolution man is obsessed with graphics and yet understands NOTHING of design and putting love into a game. The perfect example are N64 games, well many others too. Men like this created the game Crysis, the most boring game ever made.
People fighting over which version is best even though most had never heard of this franchise until this game.
Kerninja the Frog foreal I'm one of them but not complaining which one is better but this game is awesome
*Laugh in a hardcore MH veteran*
Kerninja the Frog why does hearing about a franchise before hand determine if we can debate?
@@Azakadune kids aren't allowed to vote, adults can because they're experienced, same as Games and everything, you can't just debate on a Game with a lot of sequels and prequels just because you know one game, that's like trying to figure out the Story of Fate series while only watching FGO
@@AcediaIX lmao comparing voting to discussing video game performance.
I have a dream that one day people will realize that both console and PC have their own place in the gaming industry and just enjoy their games no matter what the platform is.
Krishna Godale
Your dream my brother is an honorable one. Let's dream together so that pc and console's will someday be united. 😂🤣
I just dream that developers focus on 60 fps over 4k. At this point in time, I think your dream is the more likely scenario.
Pritstick I agree. I've hoped for a mandatory 60fps since I played Battle Arena Toshinden 3 and had 60fps on ps2. 60fps at any cost.
Um no I just have a console for exclusives.
@@neonlost How stupid can you be to both disagree with his point and prove him right in less than 10 words?
Having a blast playing on my standard PS4. Even though it's rough on consoles, the more people playing MHW the better. Looking forward to having the PC crowd joining later in the year.
Happy hunting out there :)
I just absolutely love to watch videos with John's commentary! He is the absolutely professional of his work! Too bad he doesn't comment all the videos in DF (((
Amazing work as always, this one must have been tough to pull off! Great work!
Yes! I waited for this!
Sniatch yeah everyone was! :D
And it, has waited for you.
Got it for regular PS4 Slim, looks and plays great :)
Finally!
yea i tried to tell mfs on that ign comparison, but they wouldnt listen when i said pro was lookin better forreal
I'm really hoping for some performance patches soon. A 30 FPS cap on PS4 Pro and XB1X would be fantastic.
Still no 30fps cap lock.
I have it on PS4 and have been playing it all week, it's a blast.
The frame rate is a bit choppy but it hasn't effected my enjoyment of the game at all.
People really need to start pulling their heads out of their asses.
Been wiating for this thanks so much DF u made my day :)
Finally! I've been waiting for this one forever
Basically if you enjoy monster hunter you will enjoy it on anything you play. So don't listen to any fanboys because no console is a winner here enjoy monster hunter on what ever you like cheers
Yup! OG XB1 user here and I'm having a great time.
I will, however, get it on my PC when that launches.
Aaron Swain is it good on the og x1 or crap?
Mr. Spock OG Xbox One is rough. The resolution is low (852p) and suffers from lower frame rates than the PS4 version.
I just finished the main story on PS4 and hadn't really noticed the frame drops until I watched other people play. You can tell it's unlocked because it tends to look like it speeds up when the framerate spikes but I'm so focused on reading the monster I can't tell when it's below 20 for half a second.
I love MH but I couldn't enjoy watching pixel vomit at 22FPS on my TV
Watching a slideshow like this could lead to a serious headache in 10min
Thanks for the Video, Jon. As a first-time, 4k TV user (got a mu6290 40-inch this sunday) I've had a difficult time telling the modes apart, mainly due to the 120hz mode (I'm still trying a find a way to temporarily switch to 60hz for certain things). So this explanation of how each mode works will definitely have me leaning towards the graphics option being that it seems like a nice mix of performance and graphical fidelity, at least for the Xbox one X.
But, I have to agree with the other comments here about people just happy of finally getting a console version of MH, myself included. I'm playing with two friends whom I've played MH since the PS2 who just wanted a console port. One of them is running a first gen Xbone while the other is using an "S" model. They've both took a week off work to clock in as many hours as they can and they're still playing.
Great review man. One thing though. How's the loading times between PS4 Pro and OG PS4? Did you ever tested that?
I wish DF would increase the audio bitrate on their videos
That goddamn soundtrack at the start made me emotional.
Damnit.
I do have a suggestion DigitalFoundry is would you guys do a video comparison with M-Cable from Marseille? Great videos btw
there has been a mention of optimizations coming in the patch that will hit on the 22nd, I wonder if that will mean more consistent performance and not just strictly load times to/from areas since an SSD or SSHD already solves that issue
I would like to see Digital Foundry take a look at this game's expansion Iceborne since it made some changes with the game's visuals and added more options for HDR brightness adjustment.
Interesting
Why are consoles targeting 4k when we haven't even mastered the 1080p 60fps trope? Higher resolution is useless when framerates are horrible. Both is especially bad however. Good game, terrible optimization. Also, man consoles are underpowered.
Slow CPU can't do 60 fps.
Bobtart12 PC framerate: 0
Bobtart12 Because it's more appealing to sell a console for "4K UHD HDR," even if it means the framerate goes to hell. But yeah, it's stupid beyond belief.
Bad CPUs
Resolution and framerate are nice numbers that can be variable. People generally goes for what sound prettiest. Anyone that actually cares goes out and buys top end PC hardware and changes the hardware as their performance dips. 60fps is not and has never been a requirement for gaming despite what elitists try to say. The game runs excellently on "underpowered" hardware, as you say.
great coverage John!
Extremely comprehensive! Thank you so much
This game is just so much fun and looks beautiful in HDR on OLED screen. Love it! And I prefer the performance mode, frame-rate over the resolution and graphics, always.
Yes Capcom, please add a 30fps mode.
Brinkishdean i absolutelu hate the ublocked framerate on the base bs4. It's jittery af.
jkteddy77 im still hoping they patch this out and have a more stable performance.
Only a true console pleb would ask for a 30 fps cap.
Startrance wow. Locked smooth 30>>>>>>jittery unlocked fps.
Alfonso Maesa - i run MH on Ps4pro with the setting prioritize graphics. Works good, but the pc version will be the best one ofc.
Dear Digital Foundry,
Would it be possible for you guys to make another video like this now that the major Iceborne expansion has landed and brings with it some visuals that look fantastic (and demanding for the hardware)
Personally I'm interest in the One X/PS4 Pro comparison but older hardware could be interesting as well! Especially if the updated original areas run at more stable and/or higher framerates
(I'm also interested to see what impact all the base game patches have made on the general performance of the two consoles, could be interesting to see if one console optimized more than the other)
Hope you read this & thanks if you did!
-A Random Subscriber
Thank you for the review!
I own both the pro and the X and ended up getting both versions but i do play it on the X cause of the bit more horse power and frame-rate in the end its a great game for either consoles they both feel great imo and once i get burned out i will wait to pick it up again for pc can’t wait 😊
joel santiago so you play it alone on the X? 😂
Pro has more detail and WAY more players though.
Black Widow yes on Xbox for now you have to do it all on your own. But you can and probably where carried through the game by your friends on ps4. That makes you worse.
liar lol
i gotta call it. youre lying. why the hell would you buy both versions?
In my normal xbox one, for the first few hours, it gave me about 20-25 fps going around astera and ancient forest. It got significantly smoother (34+ fps) in wildspire. After I got my main quests in wildspire the fps stabilized hovering around 30+ for all maps except astera. I'm not sure why it's a lot smoother after the first parts of the storyline. Can anyone explain?
Tony Vallescas probably has something to do with this being an early release and the world loading in
Tony Vallescas hey man i just got the original xbox one its all i could afford im getting MHW soon and i have to ask you, did you still enjoy the game even though the frame drops were bad in the first map?
I'm at 178 hours, so I clearly love it! It's not a story-focused game, but for how interesting the lore is the story-line still sucked. But that's ok because I bought this game for the gameplay and it delivered. The gameplay, the maps, and everything else about the game is amazing. It's an extremely addicting game and you should definitely buy it if the trailers/videos interest you. I converted my skeptic friend haha and now he's 90+ hours into the game.
Tony Vallescas haha yah I know monster hunter has never been known for its storyline, I’ve been playing since freedom 2 the second game, all the way to generations and world soon enough, I bought the Xbox just for this game 😍🤷♂️ my main question is, is the frame drop affecting the gameplay in those areas where the frames drop very low? I mean it’s not super laggy or anything when ur going at a monster? Right? That’s my concern
Tony Vallescas by the way is this ur first monster game or have u played the previous entries ?
So if you're gaming on a 1080p screen, which PS4 Pro mode is best? Would resolution make sense (is it like supersampling)? Or should we just stick graphics since the performance mode seems to be a bust with the uncapped frame rate?
I was just looking for this early today!!
I’ve been waiting for this.
I simply hate how some (seemingly more and more) developers don't give a shit about optimization anymore. Apart from performance mode the other two should utilize a 30 fps cap and the overall impression would be night and day.
Things aren't always that simple. Games like this have gone through the source codes of hundreds of developers to come together into a releasable game. Inconsistencies happen and adding certain features may require the reworking of frameworks/API which simply may not be worth the time/money (to just name two of the billions of problems that may involve implementing features).
Game developers want nothing more than to bring you a optimized, playable, and fun game but sometimes to make that happen they have to nitpick what implementations are the most important to making this happen and sometimes they have to leave out certain things to make it happen.
This presentation is so clean and grafically beautiful that made me think about an argument that is not very clear and discussed on the internet: the brightness or the brightness sliders in the videogames. I mean, after playing quite a bit in sdr(i can't stand the hdr in this game)with a (sort of.....i used rtings settings, except for the backlight setting) calibrated xf90,for the first time I felt that something was off, i mean, there was a white tint over the entire screen that made the image a little too much washed out; after using the in-game slider it became a lot better but...i'm not sure if it's correct or not, so, if it's possible, could you discuss about this topic in one of your videos? the "correct" image the creators had in their minds, is the one that follows the in-game sliders? Sorry for the delay of the comment(and maybe my english, i'm very rusty) but i just got the game three days ago, and I started wondering since then.
is it possible for capcom to add a frame rate lock for the base consoles at 30 fps in a future patch or can this only be done before launching the game to the public?
No no. Lip sync was not Japanese. It was Monster Hunter made up language
Just cap the damn game at 30fps smh.
Another great video cheers john
Yo DF guys, there has been some crazy audio compression issues in the past couple videos you've uploaded where suddenly the audio layers mess up and it sounds bad.
Graphics mode on the X now.
1800p Cat ftw
a trick: you can watch movies at flixzone. Been using them for watching all kinds of movies during the lockdown.
@Declan Thaddeus definitely, I've been watching on Flixzone for since november myself =)
Are there audio issues lately? I've been hearing distortions every so often. This video and the most recent Shadow of Colossus review. It's not my PC though because I noticed it from my phone as well. Something's up.
Nice ive been waiting fo a perfomance test since release. But where is the side by side of base consoles? Wanted to see that too
Why does everyone have to point out that the more powerful console is well...more powerful.
Peter Parker Because they've been doing that since 2013.
colteastwood Who?
Peter Parker the Sony fans
Don’t remember?
Peter Parker
Its going to be like ps4 vs xbox one. They will accept that the other is more powerful. They will forget abiut this and go on with their lives. Well that is if they even have lives to begin with.
colteastwood but back in 2013 the ps4 was more powerful and cheaper by a 100 bucks, so point invalid at this point lol
I miss kinda the blood effect
hello i would like to ask you a question, in the graphics mode the oneX is better or not (resolution, blur, popping, etc) or not? ... sorry i MUST know ... and great job
I watched this to help me decide weather or not to wait for PC or go for console. All in all this was a HIGHLY useful video and very much appreciated.
And the most useless and pointless war of all time continues on DF's comment section...
You weren't in the Great Spectrum Vs C64 war of the early '80s. We thought we were fighting the pointless war to end up pointless wars, but it turned out to be pointless.
There's no war really, Xbox is better its clear.
Mr. Swagginz Overeatch Pro: 1080p 8x msaa | X: 2160p 16x msaa.
The evil Within X 1800p close to the max pc setting | Pro: 1080p
Bro, i just saying 2, i could go on and on forever with a lot of games that are 4k on X and 1440p on Pro or even less on pro with lower graphical presets! Its NOT a little diference 2-3-4 Times more pixels, better shading and details... When peoples say "Pro is a mistake" is because it is an worthless Hardware that get little to no improves over original Ps4 when by other hand we see massive improves in games on X! Cost more but do much more than pro...
Remarkable how it's 2018 and there's still games that come without (the option for) a framerate cap. Same goes for missing fov sliders and anti-headbob-option to fight motion sickness.
what if they just didnt release potato consoles
Dankisimo Consoles need to be affordable for the general public. Not everyone is able or willing to pay a thousand bucks or more for a heavy duty gaming PC. You remember the uproars when both PS2 and PS3 were released because of how expensive they were?
Thank you for you're work!
If my TV is only 1080p, will I still see a benefit from using the Resolution mode? (Playstation 4 Pro) Or would you recommend sticking to Graphics mode instead?
I always feel like people forget about Monster hunter 3 ultimate on Wii U. Considering it was the last “home console” monster hunter. And yet no one seems to be comparing ultimate 3 and world. They just keep comparing to the 3ds games.
Christian Young because the 3ds and wii u game uses the graphics from way back in ps2 days. They can just compare ps2 graphics cause I wont make any difference.. well other than those jagged edges ofcourse.
Elli But they did compare it to the 3ds so what are you getting at?
The Wii U version of MH3U is actually of lower quality than the base version of MHTri.
Lol no ^
Capcom = Japanese company
PlayStation = Japanese video game favored system
yup, what i was saying
You wish lol
I was thinking that too. They may have prioritized the more favored system. Can't fault them for that.
The blinding obvious really. The same reason why Xbox One's advertising is designed for the US market and spends the most there.
Sony and Nintendo are Japanese company. Not surprising there.
Lip syncing doesn't match you say? Maybe because the game was designed for the Japanese first before adding English dubbing for international release?
So, does anyone else on PS4 Pro/Xbox One X notice that framerate mode has been boosted quite a bit? I'm on Xbox One X and just after the last patch, I noticed a HUGE uptick in frames on the framerate mode. It hits 60fps a lot more than it did at launch. For those of you with a Pro or One X, check out framerate mode... it's definitely improved over day one.
They shouldn't hold a console because of agreements , this is one of those cases where we can see what an agreement with sony can do , to hold back the xbox one x power at least in the resolution area it just feel wrong. I own all 4 console , but this is not the correct way to make a game.
I own all the consoles too; The issue here is Capcom doing a bad job optimizing the game. Even if you have a deal with Sony how about you spend time on each console and get the best out of each. There's no reason why the game should run so bad on any of them consoles. They just used the Pro as their bench; did the best they could on that ( wasn't good even on that) and then made bad ports to the rest. Very crappy job from capcom.
Why did you need to mention you own all consoles ? Your statement is true, you don't need to say that so people think you are not biased.
nestersan I think him saying that he has no preference makes his opinion more valid. He's saying he's not a fanboy and open to discussion.
nestersan Carl J is correct. Me saying I have all the consoles is not meant as a humble brag. I say that so it is known that it's not about Xbox or Playstation or Pc for me. I want the devs to do the best they can with each platform the release on. That way when fan boys want to have the platform Wars conversations it's based on facts and the best each platform offers. Having that type of conversation now isn't fair to any platform because the developer didn't do their job and optimized for each platform like they should have.
K Asante bad job? Do you realize that there's such a thing like time restraints and budget for developing games? I doubt they did a bad job as they did great with the game overall.
Imagine Monster Hunter in the RE Engine…
RISE
So I have a 720p TV still and a Xbox One X, should I use the graphics mode and will it downsample the 1080p to 720p @DigitalFoundry / John? Or will it run in 720p and run even faster? Never found any info regarding 720p TVs and what these new consoles do on those.
Do i I hear John whispering PC version through the video? Great video keep it up..
The internet has been waiting on this one lol.
1800p on Pro but checkerboarded. Am I crazy? In the past, didn’t Digital Foundry reveal the base resolution if a game was checkerboarded? In other words, 1400p checkerboarded up to 1800p? The narrator states he was surprised the Pro performed better in resolution mode than x1x because the resolution is also higher on the pro. By his own words he said that the Pro was not a native 1800p but checkerboarded to get there. Is checkerboarded 1800p the equivalent to native 1800p nowadays?
It’s obvious that the devs used two different techniques on the consoles and utilized that technique across all versions of that brand. On Sony’s side they utilized some sort of checkerboarding technique and ran with that across the board. On Microsoft’s side they kept things in native resolution with a scaling LOD system. You would think that it would make sense to utilize the checkerboard technique across all versions if that yields better results.
Mr Smith - I thought Rainbow Six Siege used it first and there are other multi platform titles that use the technique. Anyways, after researching, it seems the simplified answer to checkerboarding is roughly half the pixels on screen are live and half are artifacts from the previous frame. This is oddly similar to the old 1080i (interlaced) screens of the mid 2000’s. 1080i TVs showed half the horizontal pixel stack at a time while 720p screens were full “progressive” pixels. There were huge online wars between which was better; 1080i or 720p. 720p eventually won out but was quickly surpassed by 1080p. Most cable companies still feed us a 720p source which is up scaled as “HD”. Sad.
warlok9 checkerboarding is a game engine supported feature. It's not a PS4, Xbox or PC technology since there are titles on PC that give you the option to use it.
Good to see you guy got your grove back.
When you guys are talking about base Xbox One, are you talking launch Xbox One, or Xbox One S? Is there a difference?
I watch pornhub at 720p 30FPS and have no issues with the frame rate, I don't know what all the fuss is about.
You are a legend
Capcom somehow managed to get a lower resolution on a 6TFLOPS console than a 4.2 tflops console how the fuck is that even possible obviously they prioritized the ps4 pro version and half assesd the xb1x version
It's possible because you didn't listen. The Pro isn't a native 1800p, it's checkerboarded where the X's "lower" resolution is a native 1728p
A native resolution will always be better than a checkerboarded one and the 1728 probably still looks better overall and from what John said, that seems to be the case here.
You could complain the X doesn't also use checkerboarding to hit 4k, but the Pro is probably only running at around 1440p, maybe even lower.
TheFreeToaster i listend but if u see the image quality comparison side by side xb1x version looks washed out and doesnt have as much detail and depth as ps4 pro version thats my problem
While nothing can be done about those missing pieces of foliage in the distance he flat out says the X versions still looks better as far as resolution goes, which was your initial complaint.
M ghost I agree, lazy Capcom
Great vid guys but any word on matchmaking for the xbo yet?
I'd wish you'd upload with the 1440p option on UA-cam if for nothing else for the extra bitrate it allows, even if the source footage/video you want to upload is only 1080p it is STILL WORTH IT. Just saying, I've seen other UA-camrs like TotalBiscuit do it even when they were only capturing 1080p gameplay. There are ways ;)
>Xbox One X resolution mode has less detail
there's literally no explanation for this.
*now i'm scared about the PC release.*
Long time fans understand this, we don’t care if it’s running on a ti84 or a 1500 dollar pc, ITS MONSTER HUNTER
Yeah but it's REALLY hard to go back to 864p/25FPS after being used to playing at 1080p 144FPS for so long :/
Numbingbird I went back. You adjust faster than you would think.
Yup.
I complained about the FPS, but got used to it after a few hours of playing. I wouldn't bother if it was a mediocre game but since its so good I can look past this.
No, it’s Monster Hunter World! A fully evolved new version.
que gran video, excelente. Gracias !
I was waiting to see if they sorted out the frame pacing issue prior to buying this, and assumed they wouldn't have.
Thanks, saved me a few bucks!
This will look great on my one X. 🔥🔥🔥
Ony if you pause the game, at which point the slide show framerate is no longer an issue. This will run great on PC though
Remko good meme.
Played about 15 hours on Pro in resolution mode - there is no visible stutter or 'judder' at all. If you slow it down and analyse it then yeah, you will see it - but when playing it you can't tell due to the motion blur and post effects, it looks and plays smooth
I think MT framework games in general tend to feel better then other games when the framerate is unlocked even when there is is drops.
exactly, even this coming from og ps4
Both consoles run smoother on resolution mode.
I play on a PS4 Pro and use performance, and most of the time I can’t even tell even if my FPS does drop, because the fluidity Of the game still makes it look smooth as hell - i was honestly blown away when I watched this video and he said it only ran at 35-45 FPS lol
Pretty much how it felt on PS4 during beta, gonna wait for the PC release. Many thanks and mad respect, as always.
Is there a performance difference between the base Xbox One and the One S? From what I understand it's about 10% more powerful, so ideally it'll boost performance enough to help stabilize it.
"1800p Cat"
"Cat"
Dan V it's not a Xbox 860p cat lol
And Resolution Man
Ps-pro1800 upscale vs x1x native 1700
and still xboxone base is the weakest link asusual lol and u guys dont have X stop lying
It's a shame there's still no 30fps cap on the X, sticking to Graphics mode.
I wonder what the game might have looked like if it was developed with the Switch in mind as well. From my very limited viewpoint, it looks like it may have been possible to reduce things like foliage, draw distance, texture quality, etc and maybe add some degree of loading between areas (though not to the extent of the 3DS games) while running at a lower resolution to get this to work on Switch. I'm sure players used to the 3DS for monster hunter would not have minded a middle ground in terms of image quality between the higher end consoles and the 3DS...
Hey DF even if the video is 1080p can you upload in 4K anyways because the 1080p compression on UA-cam is garbage
Silky smooth 20 fps.
LuLu The Ps4 truly lives up to its cinematic experience.
The human eye cannot see more than 24fps anyways
Having played every MH game, I can easily say this is by far the easiest and most casual release in the series.
DigitalFoundry
Great review. Thank you.
The game is very fun :)
Sounds like the devs need to hire consultants to help them refine these final patches. Especially if they plan to keep using this game engine. They should be able to hit locked 30 on all consoles and 60fps on Pro and X. :-/
Can't believe they're missing whats graphical details missing between all those modes. I wished they do more details on this. at least show the comparison on graphical details between performance and resolution mode.
1800p cat 😂
So it looks like Capcom just used the basic tools of the x1x SDK to "enhance" the game and they did that because Microsoft makes it essentially a button press where on the Pro you actually have to go into the game and do most of the work yourself.
It also looks like capcoms MT Framework is better optimized for PS4 and Pro which makes sense since the PS4 is the #1 console and was (along with the PRO) the most powerful.
This is highly unfortunate because i had planned on buying this game as soon as i saw what DF had to say. I have the pro and x1x but all i see here is Capcom being lazy. I will wait for the PC version where i know ill be able to run at 4k60 or at least 1800p 60 with no problems...and ill also wait until its on sale because i dont like to reward a company for being lazy.
So the pc version was delayed for optimization although we will see if thats really the case soon enough.
Such a shame reallly. Step up your game capcom....seriously
What bothers the crap out of me is that the font is too small or too hard too see due to the flat colors. Another thing is the markers in the map are not very visable. They are too small and do not pop out even when you toggle what you want to find. This is a serious problem and yes, I am playing on a 46 inch screen while only 15 feet away. My friend has a projector with a 60 inch plus screen with the same problem! Font's and markers need to be better visible!
Im playing on a ultrawide screen 29" monitor so the screen being used i about 24" and I can see everything fine. You need glasses, Brah.
Why does the Xbox one X not have graphics mode capped at 30fps and a resolution boost to as close to a 30 lock will allow?
864p/25fps with motion blur and lack of other various options I can't adjust is pretty disappointing.
I think I"ll wait for the PC version. Plus it's a good enough excuse for me to stop paying for Xbox Live lmao
These videos are always interesting and but for the love of God I'm so happy that I'm not obsessed with resolutions or frame rate. It's painful to watch people complain about such trivial stuff.
Frame rate trivial😬😬
Frame rate trivial when you’re complaining about 1 frame differences during gameplay. I prefer the performance mode cause I can’t see the spikes and falls during gameplay, but I can see the difference between 30 and ~45 during regular moments
Lead Programmer tells Famitsu lower res + mesh distant foliage was basically 'free' using Pro's FP16 - and used lower precision light reaction/specular glimmer/shadow cast, before LoD transition (with no visual impact at that distance). Probably explains the strange-to-see farther vegetation draw distance on Pro.
Excellant coverage as always (I know I'm 5 years behind but it still applies)
Thank god for that unlocked framerate eh... (PS5)
Cat
Great analysis, but I wish there were more demanding situations in this test. I'm playing on the PS4 Pro and many fights with four people and weapon effects are unplayable stutter-fests in Resolution Mode. I have to play in Performance Mode to get anywhere close to >30 fps consistently.
Thks for the vid was waiting for this, i just hope capcom look into this issues and roll out some patches would like to see a capp on fps on all consoles, am on the ps4 but the x box one x should run this game like a beast imo.