Review: 2012 Mazda Mazdaspeed3
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2014
- I review the 2012 Mazdaspeed3. Which hot hatch do you prefer? Many thanks to Harrison Auto Sales for allowing me to review their car. This car is already sold but their inventory can be viewed here: harrisonautos.com
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Every time he says "let's turn on to this back road here.." you know shit is about to go down hahaha
Hehe, that sly look too..
Ohh shit he knws he knws
It's always that sexual smile when he says "Let's take this to the backroad here.."
BrianTakesPhotos how do you get sexual smile ???
why does Harrison auto sales look like that sketchy dealer on the rough part of town lol
his face when he floors it. makes me laugh everytime.
Jose Zavala someone needs to make a meme lol
He looks like he’s about to bust
Lets pull onto this backroad here 😂
@@ramendo3 😂😂😂
I always think to myself while watching your reviews, "damn, its green in PA"
Lol nothing like California. Good review matt! Finally reviewed a speed3!
Tj Hunt this was before you blew up
3 years lol
This was before TJ Hunt was stealing from business partners and being a huge douche..
I know your saying your channel name quickly, but all I can hear now is "Super Duper Egg's Fan"
Nice review as usual mate! :-)
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*KARATE CHOPS*
flamefleir too funny. Love his videos too
flamefleir Hahahaha!
lol
Lol
First two gears in the Speed3 are torque limited! I bought my speed stock and put a few things into it and it absolutely obliterates so many cars. Your comments on the clutch and shifter are so spot on. This car has the weirdest clutch of any car I've driven (and I've driven a 1993 Audi S4) and this car blows that clutch out of the water.
do you still have it?
These cars come very De-tuned from the factory. Even stock with a new tune they rip, add some bolts ons and its pretty nuts, lots of character.
Its weaker in lower gears because they limit power down there to limit wheelspin and torque steer. Kind of a waste of power IMO
I drive a Colt CZT. which has a lot of wheelspin in first gear. ESP does kick in tho, which still makes it accelerate quickly
i have a 2011 speed 3 and TOTALLY agree with you. they should not of held those ponies back !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's heavily torque limited in 1~3 gears. I owned a 2008 MS3 and dumped the car in less than year as felt cheated that the full 263HP wasn't available until you hit 80 MPH in 4th gear. It's why the reviewer wasn't blown away with the acceleration. How they have managed to sell this car for 7 years and haven't been sued for false advertising is beyond me.
To be fair it's FWD...... you probably wouldn't have been able to put all the power down until 3rd anyway. FWD is good for small, low power cars and big highway cruisers....
Turning off traction control doesn't eliminate the torque limiting.
But believe what you want.
hey wrx fan. Been paying attention to your vids for awhile now and I like how I can tell what you are feeling just by watching your face. I think you are doing a great job overall and it relays honesty, keep it up. I may disagree with some of your views but I respect them. Thanks for the effort.
2014 plasma blue pearl sedan owner btw
Really enjoying your reviews. I like that they're basically the same format, so you get a good idea of the differences. I came here looking for the brz. Gonna take a gt86 for a spin this weekend.
a few thoughts on this review coming from a 2013 Mazdaspeed3 owner. most of what you say seems to be the opposite of what 90% of other reviewers say about the MS3.
you mention minimal torque steer but most people rip this car for its torque steer. as an owner of one, i am more with you though. i really dont think it is as bad as most people make it out to be, but it has just enough to make you work and it makes it fun.
you are spot on about how it can feel as though it isnt even turbo charged until you are around 2500 rpm. different than the competition, but it is one of the things i really liked about it. makes it more desirable as a daily driver in my opinion. you say you want more drama, and with that said, again, most reviewers think this car is a huge handful and jam packed full of drama. just interesting that you seem to think the opposite of the consensus on several of the cars attributes.
everything you say about the clutch and shifter is 100% accurate. it is tricky at first but you get used to both pretty quickly. after owning my MS3 for a year now i almost dislike other clutches because i have just gotten so used to the unique clutch in my car. it really is like a racing clutch. its fun. the shifter grows on you but there are definitely better ones out there in the competition.
finally, a comment on this car you drove... that thing looks like it has been bathed in armorall.... lol seriously all of the plastic surfaces and leather looked overly shiny and like the finish was ruined. maybe it was just the camera or the lighting, and i hope that is the case because that interior looked ruined! too bad because in my opinion the MS3's interior is what really sets it apart from things like the WRX and Evo. it is just much higher quality.
good review though. i love my MS3 and would take it over any of the direct competitors 100% of the time, but i respect your opinion and appreciate your work. keep it up!
Jason Schwanke baha i said thr same things, like wtf was he driving? Maybe a regular 3 with speed badges lol
im pretty sure the interior is a bit different on the 2013 as the review is showcasing the 2012
Have you noticed that he didn’t even turn the traction off? 😂😂😂
Lol everytime he smirks at the camera and says "Let's turn on this back road," it makes me laugh everytime!!!
I think im going to make a video of just him saying "lets turn on to this back road" in every single car he reviews
+Subaruwrxfan Your MS3 is broken lol. When I test drove the same model, the boost is a really really hard kick in the ass.
torque is cut in 1st-3rd gear to reduce torque steer apparently which is why you might feel like it doesn't have the torque it claims.
Sombody You Dont Know thank you ! The best gear on this car is the 3rd and the 4th , too bad he didnt floor it at those gear !
you are getting better and better at making those reviews congrats
You're limited in your power first and second. Review one with an Accessport and you'll have a completely different experience
even with the boost restrictions taken off you'll still spin in 1st and 2nd with stock power
+SimplyCRehZ story of my life.... they didn't limit the focus ST but all it does it RATATATATATATTA SCCEERRRRR right through first and second gear, and in third is when it feels strong
+Dan Chang but do you win the race vs a MS3? lol nope
+NewAge AutoParts I know, I wasn't bragging LOL I was complaining .... I'd rather have the limited first and second gear if it means traction
Ive just watched a review from ThatDudeinBlue on the Mazda 3 speed(Known as the Mazda 3 MPS here in South Africa), and I prefer your reviews to be honest. You go into a lot of detail! Inside and outside! Performance, buttons, plastics! etc. Thats what Im looking for in a review! Nothing against ThatDudeinBlue, he provides a very interesting watch, But im looking for details on the cars! + You generally review stock cars! Keep up the good work! I enjoy watching your reviews!
3rd and 4th gears are the glory gears in a ms3 for sure.
Without a doubt.
Amen
Dont forget about 2nd
@@ernestoespinoza3217 nah for the 2nd gen, 2nd gear has a torque limit
The first gen is where its at. Much more raw in the power delivery
The mk1 MS3 has better seats imo
Thanks for this review. I currently own a 2011 mazda 3 hatch GST and boy do I love it. There are some quirky things that I would love to address, but for the most part, this vehicle is great to drive.
I recommend you do an Audi A3 hatch review in the future.
I would like to hear your personal thoughts on it.
Thanks bud ...
Thanks for this review!
ive always wanted to see your view on the mazda 3 and compare it to the sti
Really glad you were able to find this car to review. This was one of the cars that 'needed' to be reviewed by you. :) I really like how the MS3 looks. I prefer this design a lot more than the Focus ST. I agree the gear shift is oddly placed & gears are very close. I sat in an older Mazda 3 and getting into 1st and 3rd gear, it just felt different. It didn't seem like you were selecting the right gears, but I'm sure you'd perfect that after time. From the visuals, that material on the seats do look like they feel pretty cheap.
Some people were saying torque is limited in the lower gears and it's the reason why it didn't torque steer when you got on it and felt like it was lacking power. In my opinion, it would've been a much better car overall if they hadn't set it like that. They should've had a traction control switch that would activate that for some of the people that would prefer that type of control. And then traction control off to allow all the power to go through. Overall, great review! I'd choose this MS3 over the Focus ST.
Thanks!
Well damn. I've been watching this guys videos lately and this was the one I was hoping there would be that same excitement I see in all his other videos bc I'm a Mazda fan, I've owned 3 3's. But I've never been able to afford a speed3. I was hoping that Mazda would start making them again and I could afford one in the future. Still the normal 3s have superb handling so I was surprised to see that he wasn't more impressed with it.
No power in acceleration? No torque steer? Bro, what car were you driving?!?
I had a 2010 and a 2013.. I love them
Great review! So can you throttle on through the corners with this car? I really liked how the body roll was so minimal plus that engine bay looks badass for stock!
Love how he says not that he exciting, but literally just had a smile on his face a sec before
@ 8:20 In other reviews I've watched and read, the opposite was always said... Are you sure traction control didn't kill the power? Is it possible that torque is limited in 1st, and even 2nd gear? After all, you only went full throttle in 1st - not sure if that was adequate enough to judge the 3's "fun" factor.
Hey im a big fan love your videos & im just wondering when are u going to review the Mazda RX8?
This car is def. faster then a wrx lol
***** what is so unreliable about a mazdaspeed???????
***** Watch your mouth lol, I have a speed3 hahah
***** 100% Tru. Hell, 0-60 the WRX is even faster than the STi due to the 5 speed transmission. Its even worse for the speed3 cuz of that whole 0 traction thingy ;)
***** I know this isnt what youre looking for but I have a 2008 speed3 with no performance mods other than an intake...and I destroyed a 2011 WRX on a 100km/h roll-on
***** The WRX and speed3 have almost identical performance numbers...the speed3 is quite a bit lighter tho. So unless launching both cars, a stock speed3 will take a stock WRX
Another nice review . Great job on the Mazda MS3 Matt . I would like to see you do a review for the Mazda MS6 . IMO those are better than the MS3 .
Yeah it's a better car if you like something that weighs almost 4000 pounds and consumes more fuel and has a slower 0 to 60 then a 2012 WRX
+MonRoeTheory 3600 lbs and avg 25 mpg isn't that bad and 0-60 5.9 seconds stock are the actual numbers you're meaning to say.. and pls dont go around saying stock wrx are fast lol
Not only does it limit power in the first 3 gears, but on gen 2 when you go WOT the throttle body opens slowly. That's why I think Gen 1's feel a grip load faster and the boost hits a lot harder.
1985, first Japanese car to be homologated in WRC before Subaru and Evos to group A was the 1985 AWD Mazda 323 Gtx and it was also successful at Le Mans. Epic Ride.
Keep sharing the videos everyone. Let's try to get Matt 70,000 subscribers. Any thing he can get he deserves and we will get to hear that exhaust on the mini
Can you review a BMW E89 Z4 it would be much appreciated? Thanks for putting out such great content!
Always a good car review, good stuff
Great review. Now if only we can convince Mazda to start production for a New Mazda Speed6. Lot of people under estimated it back in 06-07. 274hp AWD Turbo really jumped in and was quite competitive with Mitsubishi and Subaru.
This car has an outrageous amount of torque steer. I don't know how you're going to say a mini cooper you drove has more. That alone kind of discredits this review for me. Not trying to fan-boy either, I have a few gripes about the car myself... I also feel like the ST is the car you want to bring to the track and the MS3 is the car that would put the bigger smile on your face. Just my opinions.
A cobb intake spools up the turbo so much better and makes it feel way quicker. Love this car.
"Alright let's turn onto this back road here" This quote is in every single video he ever does hahaha
+NastyyNashh "and see how it does"
Kam Chancellor Jr. Hahaha ive noticed he always says that. He also says lets turn down this syraight road
Nope not every video. He didn’t in the lambo review🤔
Hey Matt! I'd like to see one of your reviews on any year mkv gti. Preferably 2007!
Just bought this car last week and the WOT is totally true. You have to learn how to handle it. I put some research behind me and 3k to 6.4-5k is where it shines and you have to roll into boost the WOT. I traded my RSX Type-S for the MS3 and immediately felt nostalgia but a long trip to PA and back to MD taught me more than I needed to know. MS3 is definitely a keeper once you figure out the kick and throttle response needed to maximize boost engagement.
I'm still trying to figure mine out, it really is hard as hell.
I liked my ms3. As an owner of an evo x the ms3 rode very well. it was comfortabe the shocks were very sporty. I definitely think the wrx felt like it was slower. plus spec for spec the ms3 comes with way more than the wrx.
Good review mate. I've driven both the Mazda 3 MPS (Mazdaspeed 3) and the Ford Focus ST.
The Mazda 3 MPS is more involving than the Focus ST, but that's primarily down to the MPS's rawness. The clutch is slightly hair triggery, light to middleweight, and the gearshift has long gates, but is precise.
I didn't like the torque steer though, despite the engine management limiting torque in first and second gear. The Focus ST torque steers as well, and is an unfortunate legacy of high powered front drive hatches.
I'd have the MPS 3, over the Focus ST, but only because it's more manic. The Focus ST is better rounded, though, despite the HUGE turning circle. Both great, fast cars that handle well, but both are flawed.
you need to pick up a thesauruses and start using more adjectives. and avoid say things like "stuff like that"
Wtf? This isn't a professional TV show. Haha I'm sure he is trying his best to be professional but at the same time is not going to take so much time worrying about his word choice.
Ishieness sshhh relax, its constructive criticism that will only benifit him
hey, learn how to pluralize thesaurus before you judge others
Technically, he did pluralize 'thesaurus' correctly. However, the rest of his sentence was singular and stuff like that.
alright, ppl relax. I was trying to give him some help is all. I didnt mean any disrespect, so lay off
I have the same face when Im taking a shit when subaruwrxfan accelerates a car
lmaooo wth? A noteworthy mention ay !!
I literally laughed for 3 days after reading this comment lmfao ..A+ comment
Hahahahahahahaha
Try turning tcs off to get full torque
Agreed
I still love the first gen ms3 alot more then the second gen.
Yeah their a lot lighter and chuckable
I've been through 3 sets of tires on this car, the loose feeling is due to the tires that are on it. I went from one tire to another on this car and the sidewall thickness makes all the difference
YOU FINALLY REVIEWED THIS CAR!!!!
I disagree that the WRX is more exciting. Its so linear it feels electric, and it runs out of breath up top. The MS3 feels like it wants to tear your head off, which is more exciting.
I have a white 2013 with tech pack and the newer perks definitely make it a lot better! (9” diagnal touch screen w/nav, definitely makes the dash and plastic look way better overall) 1st gear sucks but 2-4 are always fun, torque steer isn’t insane, over dramatic people, just enough to make sure you have your hand on the wheel which you said be doing anyway since you’re, you know, driving..
I like having 1 of the seemingly only 3 in Tulsa lol
The reason it doesn't feel as quick as you expected taking off, is due to the fact they are torque and power limited through 1st 2nd and 3rd. by 4th gear you get full power. I'm guessing they did this to reduce torque steer.
Why do you keep doing favors for this dealership when they did nothing for you when you were searching for a used car?
It must be his families dealership.
I would say that they are doing him a favor in letting him drive the car and making videos about it
Cydro12
Actually he is doing them the favor because he is giving them free advertising.
TheCobruhAlienat0r
If this was the case, you would think he would have bought the used Mini there at a substantial discount!
pedrof830
Maybe they didn't have a mini?
My brother in law has a '14 ST. My good friend has a wrx hatch and yet, I would always choose my '11 MS3 over them anyday. Love my zoom zoom!
Hi Matt Karan when are you going to do a full review on a 2009 Mazdaspeed 6 all-wheel drive
1st n 2nd do feel weak if you AR on stock tune due to ecu limit torque in first ,second gears. But once you are moving, it pulls pretty hard. Take it for what it is, it is 2k cheaper than a WRX, yet in dry condition is faster.
The best part of your reviews has got to be when you mention "the back road".
This is another one I've been really waiting for. I was expecting to hear you complain about the torque steer but surprised to hear otherwise... Carlos Lagos made it sound like the ST was way better in that regard. I trust you more tho so I wonder if Ford paid everyone off to rave about the ST now b/c my impression was that was the better car in outright performance
You should try to find a 2005-06 Corolla XRS to review! They seem to be pretty common in PA/ northern Maryland.
Hi subarufan I'm just wondering which one should I get. Civic Si 2013 or Mazda 3 2013? Just asking about your thought. Tnxxx
The Mazda mazdaspeed3 won't rip your head off because the first 3 gears are torque limited to save the transmission. Better off starting half throttle and then a quick roll on to full throttle to get best acceleration out of them.
mine isnt hehe, i have mine tuned to remove the factory restrictions. but i also have upgraded motor mounts, and suspension
Only thing you need now is a LSD to get rid of any possible torque steer ;)
Richard Veihdeffer III The Mazdaspeed3 DOES come with a Torsen LSD from the factory. And the boost isn't limited in the first two gears to save the transmission, it's to limit torque to help counter torque steer. that is why they made longer gears in the 2nd generation Speed3 and it doesn't feel as fast off the line as the first gen.
Great reveiw Matt! It feels slow and has little torque steer because they limited torque in 1st and 2nd.
“Does not feel exciting”: still smiles when Accelerating
@subaruwrxfan I love your reviews but the torque vectoring software makes the car much more tame. If you get a Cobb AP type of tuning device and remove it, the power will break the back of your head doing a pull in 2nd :).
Am in progress of buying a 2096 Mazdaspeed6. Can't wait.
Subaruwrxfan can you please do a review on the vw golf gti mrk 7 when it comes out next month
I think the factory tune might keep that turbo from spiking which is why your missing that throwback. Factory Focus ST also did this, now that I have it tuned lol insane. Mazda probably did the same to keep wheelspin down. My tune only lets full tq in 3rd gear with 2nd being limited to 300 and first to 200 for traction. But factory tunes usually have that tq spike reduced in all the gears.
Tuned the ST makes 350 Wheel torque. And the Mazdaspeed has a limited slip differential and the Focus ST does not have a limited slip which is why you are fighting it.
You were by my house in this video kinda lol. I seen u driving, like the mini btw!
Hey subaruwrxfan would you rather have this this mazdaspeed3 or the 2013 genesis coupe?
So much concentration on that 1st gear pull!! Haha.
Good review, man, that's pretty much what I'd say too. Not a bad car for daily driving and staying under the radar as far as cops and such go, IMO - it's a bit of a sleeper.
must have been something wrong with that MS3 because it is a lot more powerful than what yih describe it as being
GoKartDriver they cut off power from 1st-3rd gears to prevent torque steer which apparently, wouldve killed you in the lower gears unrestricted haha.
Great review Matt. I would Love to see a review on the mazdaspeed 6. I've owned one since it was new and I love it as much now as I did than. Is just love to see your opinion on it. Thanks again
I bought my 2013 speed3 a while ago, and fuck it's the most fun I've ever had in a car.
This car isn't meant to be launched full throttle, yeah the boost is limited in the first few gears, but once you're rolling in third and you floor that thing at around 3-4k, you're gone. If you want to launch this car efficiently you're going to need a Cobb Accessport to remove the limiting, and get launch control.
Wrx has much larger tubro lag, thus snapping the head back and increasing the "fun factor". I've driven one and can agree to it. I own a Mazdaspeed 6. The handling will murder the speed 3. Both great cars though. Great review!
I don’t know that a Mazdaspeed 6 has or had better handling than a Mazdaspeed 3.
I've heard an aftermarket rear motor mount makes this car feel more 'involving' and makes you feel more connected.
Could you do the hyundai veloster turbo? I have one and I was wondering if you could compare it to the gti
can you review a first gen speed3?
Yessssss this needs to happen, they are such different cars
Please please please, somebody provide a link for the music track, the ones in the description no longer works or can not be found.
Hello, I would like to see a full review of Mazda 3, 2.5motor. 2012 model. I seriously would like to buy it. Blessings...
The first and 2nd gear the power cuts at 5500 RPM to avoid any torque steer. 3rd and the rest its full power but a lot of people shift at 5500 anyways.
Review an Acura TL Base or Type S. 3rd generation(2004-2008)
theres been many people having cracked dash issues, and the leather on the seats wear out fast.
Nice smooth shots.
Nother car review said the opposite: that the focus st feels more precise because of torque vectoring and the ms3 has to be fought with more around corners, making the focus the better car, but the ms3 the somewhat fulfilling drive. Don't know what to believe anymore.
Hey subaruwrxfan thanks for the reply on the last coment it means a lot I think I'm going to do a review on my some what mazda three and would you recommend a cold air intake from auto zone my nabour has a 2011 genius coupe and he loves his intake! Also you my idle I think of cars how you think of cars. A car is not just a car it's a person in a mechanical form haha but yea. I'd love a shout out on your channel man and I'm going to start reviewing cars know thanks for all the inspirational stuff
3rd gear pulls is where the ms3 shines ! 3-4 is my favourite in mine lol. No point in launching them hard anyway even with tq limited 1st and 2nd itll still just spin, this car is a rolling monster though
Did you deactivated the traction control? that gives it a lot more torque.
It limits the turbo in first and second to limit torque steer
Dude......MAZDA LIMITS BOOST IN 1ST 2ND & 3RD BECAUSE OF THE TORQUE, THIS MADE ME WANNA CRY WATCHING YOUR REVIEW!
I drive a mazdaspeed 2012 and i love it, maybe you should turn off the traction control.
7:54 lookin like a beavis and butthead character lmao
I think the reason the car doesn't feel all that quick is because you currently own a turbo charged vehicle that is lighter, and quicker despite being down 100hp. When you had the BRZ and then jumped into a turbo charged car to test it, it would feel mind blowingly quick in comparison due to the lack of torque in the BRZ. When I had a Ford Probe Turbo 145hp/190 ft lbs, and hopped into a 300hp/300fl lbs Mitsubishi 3000 GT, I was unimpressed. But the Mitsu was a much heavier car and the torque came in around 3000 rpms vs 1500 on the Probe. The Mitsu was undoubtedly a faster car, but it didnt feel like it. Given the vehicle you currently own, you should drive around in something that is NA before hopping in to test a turbo vehicle, I doubt you'll experience the same disappointment. BTW thoroughly enjoy your reviews!
I'll be coming from a car with 80hp, it's all perspective aye, things gonna feel like a rocket to me
I owned the 2013 MS3 for about 1 year and found the suspension too rough for my back, and my right knee was constantly resting on that hard plastic -which made it very uncomfortable on my knee. Definitely not a comfortable ride...for me anyway. However, I loved the acceleration - even with lots and lots of torque steer. I don't understand how this reviewer didn't notice the torque steer on his 2012. Even though I had great times with the car, I traded it in for a 2014 WRX. Although the latter's mpg is slightly worse than the former, the WRX's ride is much more comfortable, and there's more front room space for my knees. From what I've read, the WRX is faster than the MS3 (0-60), and there's definitely no torque steer on the WRX due to AWD. So far I can't complain about the switch.
First gen Mazdaspeed3 for me. The new one does not compare to its competition. I'd rather a Mini Cooper S or a Golf GTI (or even the R). I'm glad Mazda isn't giving up and their cars are still good to drive, but they really need to get their 'Zoom-Zoom' right. The new Mazda 6 is a stunning car, and I'd love to buy it with the manual transmission on offer, but the car seriously lacks power. If they made a Speed6 version like the first gen with AWD and Turbo-4, I'd be all over that car. So Mazda, I like what you do, but put some more excitement into your cars. A very spot on review Matt, I felt the same way after driving one of these about everything, except the passenger climate control :P
Well you are in luck my friend in 2016 they are releasing the 3rd gen Mazdaspeed3... 300 horsepower all wheel drive 2.5 liter 4 cylinder turbo
MonRoeTheory Sounds good to me. That's right about the time when I will consider a newer car and trade in my 02 BMW M3. Seems like a good option, if its also good to look at. Thanks for the info mate !
also 1st/2nd gear are boost limited btw
3rd gear pulls a lot harder
mazdaspeed 3 has always been better than the focus st, gti.
the speed 3 is sharper but the boost is limited in 1st/2nd to neutralize the torque steer
Very true but unfortunately there is a solid reason why they have that because if you disable it which you can and unfortunately a lot of retards on here don't think you can... If you slam on it you just get nothing but tire spin and you would burn through tires so fast that's why they had to put a limiter on the boost
MonRoeTheory limits the torque steer, it should really be rwd
Considering how old this video is, I'm sure it's already been said, but you don't get 280lb-ft of torque in 1st and 2nd gear in this car. Mazda limited the torque in 1st and 2nd gear to reduce the amount of torque steer. You can really feel the difference on a longer acceleration run through 3rd gear.
It is sort of odd to me you couldn't tell the turbo was kicking in, The one i test drove only had a cobb intake but you could definitely tell it was turbo haha. Also Other reviews have started what they loved about the MSP3 was the crazy boost coming on with the turbo. Also everyone ever said it torque steers like a pig which I also never felt.
Review a 2003-2005 dodge neon srt4!
You don't floor an MS3 from 1st gear, it's torque limited and it's the same for the 2nd. He should have start to roll at least from 2nd and then feel the boost on the 3rd gear.
So I'm going to invest in a new car. I can either get a 2014 camaro ss, or a used 2012 s5. Which would you recommend? Also there's a possibility I could work out a deal for a 2011 m3. But that one is more of a long shot. Which do you think is the best choice?
Totally depends on what you want. Very different characters for each. I'd personally do the S5 I think. The Camaro would be nice, but not nearly as comfy as the Euros. M3 is good if you want rear wheel drive, S5 is better if you want all wheel drive obviously. The Camaro would probably be more reliable, but would possibly cost more for insurance. Lots of things to consider but if it were my money I'd get the S5 probably.
Camaro is junk trust me, I had one 6 months ago and it is such a god awful car to own over a long period of time. After you get over the power, it's horrible. Get the s5 or the m3 please do yourself a favor
Thanks for the help guys I really appreciate it. I really don't want to make a 40k mistake you know? I'll look more into the euros. Recently I've been able to make the possibility of getting an m3 much higher. A used 2011 with low miles. Same with the s5. I really would like power and comfort. Thanks for the help.