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Tesla just released a LONG RANGE RWD Model 3 in the US market with an EPA rated range of 363 miles, but how does this compare to the Standard Range RWD with LFP batteries and is it really a better deal?
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This is the most comprehensive comparison between the Long Range and Standard Range, especially with all the charts and numbers. Really appreciate the hard work and thanks for doing that for us.
I own the basic RWD Model 3
I tsk s trip every other month
I couldn’t be happier with range , charging, and the safety potential over nickel type battrries
I believe the nickle battery is not recommended staying at 100% for long time like weeks. But if you can drive it next day, I think it is ok. staying at 90% also ok, so one day I use up 12-15% it is ok for me to charge slow charge up to 100% still ok. The nickle battery is faster charge when supercharge it.
I prefer the new long range RWD. Lower price and longer range.
Love my LFP 2024 model rwd --- charging to 100% is the biggest no brainer ever, just charge and forget about it. Reality is i rarely even get the car below 80% except for road trips.
But I would have for sure bought the new long range rwd model instead -- 1) 100% charge for first leg of road trip and get over 300 miles of range, thats a game changer 2) cheaper 3) cheaper 4)slightly faster
Highland SR LFP battery owner and happy as I could be with it. I really like your videos, they are very illustrative
please do LR RWD vs LR AWD vs performance! Very insightful commentary.
LFP Batteries also lose more range in cold weather, to be factored in when comparing 2170 Nickel batteries. 3:07
I chose my Tesla MY RWD because of the LFP battery pack advantages, especially charging to 100% without concern. Recently did a family/dog 5k mile road trip across Europe & around Norwegian scenic routes (epic scenery). It was easy & delightful with SC, car needed less stops/charging than the passengers. Electric car made driving experience awesome & effortless, would not attempt in an ICE car.
Really good, in depth review. Thanks
On top of this new model release, now they have a deal where you can get it with a 1.99% interest rate until the end of August!
You missed some important facts between lfp vs nmc. The lfp batteries you are continuing to compare at 100% soc and always 80% for nmc. Experience shows that charging from 90-100 on all chemistires is VERY slow meaninf road trips will be much much slower for lfp batteries whereas the nmc going to 90% often gets you enough range to continue to the next charger. Living in northern Canada the difference is big because you n eed all the quick range you can get due to longer distances travelled and cold weather requiring more range due to loses in -25C and colder.
Yeah, every youtuber seems to forget this. For long trips where you charge to 80% along the way, LFP sucks. The time you need the range, you need the range
One more point, people who cannot charge at home (condo owners, people who don't have a driveway, etc) there is a trend with electrify America to only allow charging to 85%, Tesla superchargers limit charging to 80% when in high use and even if you override it to 100% often they charge more to top up. Add to this the fact that charging from 90-100% is extraordinarily slow and people who do this are hated by all other EV drivers... I'm not sure this is a something to recommend in many use cases.
I have a MY LFP, I find the charging very fast. 0-50% in about 14-15minutes and 0-80% in 22-23 minutes. There’s no reason to charge to 100% on a road trip. 80% charge gives you roughly 200 miles of range. This is more than enough to get to another charger. Tests have shown there’s no much difference in charging times on road trips
Worth a watch 👌🏻
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@@stevemann6110 this depends on where you live, there are no superchargers north of the city I live, those chargers are spaced out much further requiring more than 80%, this is reality for many outside large cities across Canada
@@TeslaPrinceit sounds like your needs are an outlier.
I got the RWD Model 3 on a 3 year lease and that is the best deal out there , and they let me transferred the FSD from the trade ,
First, I want to say I love your videos and everything you have said is correct AFAIK. However, I think it should be mentioned that your daily driving range is mostly unimportant for the vast majority of drivers. Road tripping is really the only time that charging to 100% would matter, and while it is true you can charge your LFP cells to 100% whenever you want, you still can't charge any faster to 100% than in NMC (and as you showed, even slightly slower). So, I guess if you are going to charge over lunch, dinner, or your destination charging (like at the hotel over night) that will be an advantage, but for you typical stops most folks won't charge to 100% on road trips because it will just take too long. Now, your first leg of the trip can be longer, but that is the majority of the advantage there. Still an advantage, but not as much as it seems.
Rest of the advantages are fully legit, again AFAIK.
Please discuss the level 2 charge limits. The 2023 LFP Model 3 RWD seems to be limited to 32 Amps (7.7kW)
Maybe on AC only?
There’s also DC limits. LR is limited to 250kW and 11.5kW while SR is limited to 170kW and 7.7kW.
This new RWD LR appears to have the 250/11.5 limit.
@@albert109 Thanks. Was wondering this myself.
it is your onboard AC converter charger. It takes 240v AC converts it to DC and charge your high voltage battery. The RWD only capable to charge max 32A, the long range NMC battery has an 48A onboard AC charger. If your L2 power supply can suport 48A, the onboard charger will out put 48A to charge your high voltage battery.
One observation is you might need to keep the 2170 between 80% and 20%. That would change the daily range comparison which was based on max charge of 80% without factoring in limiting discharge. This assumes the LFP can get near 0% without battery degradation
Just ordered my M3 LR RWD, Thanks
I would pay more money for a LFP long range if they had one. I am hoping that the LFP batteries become more dense over time so that they can fit more cells. I've lost around 5% degradation on my Model 3 RWD at 90,000. Very happy with the battery performance.
The difference in the quality of the sound systems is night and day.😊
You never tell the time it takes the standard range 18 inch wheel to go from 10% to 100%, so while the mileage is close to that of an 80% charge on a 2680 battery, we don’t know how much longer it takes to achieve that close range, which would make a big difference to those of us who charge at the supercharger daily
2018 battery are all Panasonic nickle based chemistry. Lfp did not come out until a few years later after giga Shanghai opened up.
You should have mentioned leasing. Because the tax credit gets taken into account on the Standard range. So it make more sense if leasing. The standard range is only $299 per month. Somewhere else on the internet I saw the LR RWD will be over $400 per month.
not really, once you submitted your application, the price will be changed. 299 is naked price, with no additional fee, such as delivery fee, tax...., tesla is really good at ad, and misleading price,or fool price....
I just leased it at 36 months with 15k miles per year for $2k down and $413 / a month for the standard RWD
After knowing about the speaker system I kinda don't want the car now... I just ordered one just waiting for it to be built.
If people are in the market right now today, then the timing is good to consider the latest offerings or consider the older model years if this EV is going to be commute or local driving. In that case, model years since 2021 is still worth considering now that we have more information on LFP and NCA batteries over 100k. But if driving range is really what's important to people above all else, just get a hybrid, plug-in or lease the EV until the tech gets good enough to reconsider. Your basic 2016 Honda Civic gets 360 miles (35mpg) of range and that's 8 years ago. The 2025 model year for the Civic Hybrid will get 588 miles (49mpg) today at half the cost of the 2024 M3LR. If EV range is really what people are chasing above all else, get a Model S and call it a day for the next 10 years as the 18650 batteries is the cream of the crop and have shown to retain 90% capacity over 10 years and 300k miles.
Tesla nickel based batteries will outlast the car and extremely rare fires. Having a battery like LFP which will also outlast the car and extremely unlikely to catch fire, is a pointless advantage. No practical advantage for a car buyer.
thank you, very helpful
@Cleanerwatt Your key assumption is that the new Long Range RW does not have LFP batteries. As the main point of the video is based on it this is pretty bold and I hope you are wrong as I want the LR RW with LFP
None of the LFP vehicles qualify for the tax credit, that’s why the standard range doesn’t so it’s a pretty safe assumption. Also they only recommend charging the LFPs to 100% so that’s another sign it’s not LFP.
I also asked a Tesla rep lol and they confirmed the long range is the nickel based battery. But I’m with you, really with it was a long range LFP :/
Very good review!
Is it really though? I would use 90% on LFP and 70% on NMC which makes the difference about 10 miles. LFP is the only current battery tech I'm satisfied with but advancement right now is insane.
I saw this comment in Tesla wall charger doc..†Maximum charge rate for Model 3 Rear-Wheel Drive and Model Y Rear-Wheel Drive is 32A (7.7kW) - up to 30 miles of range per hour. This in comparison to AWD that can do 48AMP or 44 miles of range per hour charge. Not 100% if this for the old RWD or the new one.. Comments??
It would be nice to know the curb weights of both RWD models and what tires they come with but as long as the $7,500 tax credit remains in place for the LR RWD, it seems to be the better deal. I wonder how long we have to wait for the CATL licensed American made LFP pack??
I wish we could get the Model3 rwd long range in Canada.
My 2023 RWD M3’s range has gone from 273 miles - 263 miles (3.7% loss) in 13 months and a bit less than 11,000 miles of driving. I’ve supercharged about 5 times. Either your numbers are off, or I’m doing worse than projected. On another note, it’s not clear why they even sell the standard range M3 RWD in the US at this point. Furthermore, federal incentives could disappear in 2025 post elections.
You're right. I am very careful, found out that the 100% charge for LFP is partially an hoax. Lost range after 3 100% charges. Model 3 Highland RWD December 2023: 2% in 18000 km, or around 11000 miles. Now I only charge to 85%.
@@pedromiguelareias you mean the car wont charge pass 85% even you set its max at 100%. I think the predict total mileage at 100% does not mean very much about the degradation of the hv battery.
@@tonymai1844 I manually the limit to 85%. Degradation in Teslas is measured by mileage at 100%. Systematically charging up to 100% degrades the LFP battery.
I’m on the same boat 10 months and 6k miles later at 262 miles out of 272. It went down to 260 previously and came back up. Super charged 3-4 times maxed.
@@jialiangliu2378Engineering Explained's channel recently did a video on the recent research on LFP batteries. Definitely worth a watch. I will be changing my charging habits as a result of the information in the video.
Batteries degrade through use (miles) but also over time. By giving so much detail about how well their batteries stand up the miles, it makes me wonder if they are hiding how much they degrade with time. It is fine to say cars are scrapped after 200k miles but how long do cars take to get to this many miles and how much capacity will a Tesla battery have after 10, 15 or 20 years ?
Performance is the only way
Thanks to this video, I cancelled my LR Model 3 RWD Order
Once the long range battery pack breaks in the overall range will end up being the same as the standard range version. Plus daily range will be 80% on the long range which is disappointing. Not very long ago the recommendation was 90% which wasn't to bad.
It's still over 22% more range if you assume an 8% degradation.
Did you talk about efficiency? Did i miss it?
Does the AWD LR have LFP batteries?
why would LFP battery warranty be less than Long Range nickle? shouldn't it last longer, therefore they should stand behind it with the warranty? Makes no sense.
What do expect the new LR RWD battery type to be?
363 miles with current gen batteries is ridiculous range.
Guess what happens if Tesla finally acquire solid state battery technology.
Tesla's share of the mkt is dropping. VW invested $6 billion in Rivian.
I really hate that they lock the improved sound system behind a complete vehicle upgrade, just give me the damn sound as an add-on...
yeah Tesla should have RWD long range as now and LR RWD with full sound system the same as AWD. People will pay for the options. Because I do not need dual motor, I only need long range and full sound system.
I just want an EV with an LFP (or whatever other chemistry doesn't mind being charged to 100%) battery that'll do 350+ real-world miles. That means I could charge at home, go do a weekend trip to LA, including touring around the city, and return back home, all without needing to stop to charge.
no way on tesla mod3.
All lithium batteries degrade if routinely charged to 100%, LFP do so to a lesser extent than Nickel but both types should only be charged to 80% on a day to day basis. Tesla is lying to you when they say to charge to 100% on LFP. They are trying to prevent voltage miscalculations because the LFP packs have such a flat voltage curve, you could have erratic range estimates if you don’t occasionally charge to 100%.
How do you know M3 RWD LR has a NMC battery? I haven’t found it anywhere
Does the RWD LR has the Panasonic pack?
Both NOW old vehicles in a much different market place where even the Hyundai Group is in more demand - without even considering BYD et al.
Weird how before Tesla there has been many brand to choose from, suddenly Tesla should be worried? Did you or anyone expect Tesla to be the only EV maker ever? Tesla sold 440k EV last quarter. What is Hyundai volume sold? Ignorance and bias.
@@nguyep4 the problem is that the trend is certainly NOT Tesla's friend anymore. Not going to work and executing for years is no way to survive as an auto manufacturer. It's now a yet-to-be defined listed company with a super-salesman in charge of self-promotion as a priority........ still.
@davidpearn5925 Are you even aware Tesla is the only EV company that is profitable in EV? Ford, GM, and all others except BYD are not profitable for a long while. Ford and GM have said they will not be profitable until 2026, that is if all goes well. Tesla is announcing three new models. New ones could be in production by 2025 within the current factory line using a mix of unbox manufacturing techniques. Tesla is poise in the Ai and energy sectors. You don't have a clue.
Why no lease????
There is a big mistake here : just like NMC , LFP batteries will degrade faster when charged to 100% . LFP does NOT like to be charged to 100% . The only reason Tesla advises to charge to 100 % is that due to the charging curve of LFP , the BMS would have a very difficult job to predict the SOC (and hence remaining range) of the battery if you do not charge to a 100% on a very regular basis . This a disadvantage of LFP chemistry , NOT an advantage !
I am a little confused, do the Canadian rwd and long range new model 3’s have the lfp and nickel batteries as the US, since they are made in China for now
This is the RWD long range instead of the normal AWD long range.
These cars are still way too expensive for the average buyer, even when they're second hand.
Yeah, they're up there for sure, but compared to many of the other cars on the market, when you've added package after package to get to the same level, they actually start to make sense, all electric vehicles, hell, all new vehicles of decent quality are just so damn expensive atm, the market is out of control imo.
I respectfully disagree. The Model 3 is less than the average cost of a car, and with the Federal tax credit the RWD LR is just $35000. That’s Accord/Camry money.
It is a shame that you use your knowledge to give partial, biased and interested opinions towards the LFP. Even though the 100% charge of the LFP is almost 80% of an NMC...the LR with NMC can always charge up to 100% if it needs it...the LFP will never be able to go beyond that...
I use 12-15% for going to work one day (2 trips) so I think I can charge it at L2 every week up to 100% with no problem. I believe NMC should not charge up to 100%, staying plug in and parking in the garage for weeks. But if I drive the car every day, I would charge it 100% once a week is ok. Because I do not have any L2 at home, living in apartment is different with people has their own an L2 charger.
Don't think he is biased. LFP is indeed better than NMC battery in terms of charging to 100%, less degradation, much longer cycle life (some of the LFP used in energy storage industry can go up to 12,000 cycles and 20years of life. Tesla ESS product uses them) and higher fire safety. However, the downside of the LFP is energy density is around 20-25% less than NMC. Therefore, EV are adopting both LFP and NMC. But entire energy storage industry are pretty much on LFP now
@@y2hanTesla is a car , moving object and not energy storage facility which needs a battery with tens of years of service. EV main factor to compete against ICE is battery capacity, LFP is failure in EVs, including less dense batteries in ev is going backwards in progress.
@nickage872 calm down. I agree on density is priority for EV. My point was OP wasn't biased - he clearly said the advantage and disadvantages of LFP battery
It truly makes a difference !
All lithium batteries degrade if routinely charged to 100%, LFP do so to a lesser extent than Nickel but both types should only be charged to 80% on a day to day basis. Tesla is lying to you when they say to charge to 100% on LFP. They are trying to prevent voltage miscalculations because the LFP packs have such a flat voltage curve, you could have erratic range estimates if you don’t occasionally charge to 100%.
You missed an important fact. When EV catches fire,it is really fast. No time to get out
That’s simply not true, they’re slow but long burns.
I was very interested in the M3 LR until it was announced Musk is giving U-No-who 45M/mo; No way can I give Tesla any business.
And you’re so insecure that you need everyone to know you’re allegedly passing on in order to feel good. Maybe you should skip car shopping and get therapy.
Not true - Elon states categorically he is not giving any money to either candidate or political party
@@dyemanozdo u have a link to the denial?
He denied it …..on his twitter page
I have a US-spec 2018 Model 3 RWD with only 60K miles and only charged using L1 and L2 and have rarely used L3 or Superchargers.
Anyone know what kind of battery it has? Also how do I run the battery degradation test properly. It is already paid for and planning to keep for another family member. Are the Tessie battery status results?
John and fellow subscribers: seeking advice if it’s worthwhile upgrading to MY2024 Model 3 RWD Long Range.
Many thanks in advance for your advice and feedback!